HTP = Has Terrible Performance?...Remington HTP .40 S&W Self-Defense AMMO Ballistic Gel Test!

[@danpatton3891]

I saw a couple videos with the HTP in bare gel. I can't remember the calibers. With no clothing barrier and they did well. This is why testing with clothing is a must. Some bullet designs require the shooter to ask the criminal to disrobe before shooting them.

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤭

[@Bob.W.]

Again, thank you for still testing .40s&w. A lot of us still favor this caliber. Even if a round doesn't do well it's good to know.

[@donakahorse]

for a hollow point, that HTP sure does make a nice FMJ

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤭

[@Kracviking]

kek

[@sj6404]

The nice wide front did a lot more disruption than most fmj though.

[@danielrichardson5749]

Id use it especially for big game ,i dont really believe its better because it stops in you ,yeah the bullets a little bigger but less chances of hitting a vital, that will go all the way through making 2 holes and more chances of a vital

[@nintense1]

It’s a mind blowing that American made ammo perform so poorly, and the company is getting a way with this.

[@lonewanderer3603]

All the high quality manufacturing we've come to expect from Remington.

[@davidransom4476]

Continuing the excellent work they did with Marlins.

[@rsbreeze]

Remington was bought by Federal, which was bought by the Czech's. Nobody gives a shit about their ammo anymore! They are just like car manufacturers charge more deliver less. Save your old ammo and plink with the new junk!

[@peacemaker-du4hz]

ive seen enough of your tests to know when things go south and this one definitely fits that bill.I never expected htp to go that side ways

[@ToolsandTargets]

I don't know if there's any point in testing the 180 now.😆

[@billss396]

I had a box of these. Shot clean through 2 back to back 5 gallon jugs. .40 cal holes in, .40 cal. Holes out.​@ToolsandTargets

[@peacemaker-du4hz]

@ToolsandTargets I wouldn't waste your money. If they are heavier than the ones you just tested they are even slower and definitely wouldn't expand any better

[@timjohnson8390]

Pretty hard to get a basic 40SW hp wrong but they did it perfectly

[@abones900]

They must be using the mystical 6" Glock .40 Cal pistol to get those velocities.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😂

[@tommyrussell1415]

Or they could have used a 16" PCC 🤣🤣

[@TTiger86268]

Believe a lot of these companies are skimping lately on couple gains of powder per load to stretch it, making the rounds weaker and worse. I only carry the same as my duty weapon, LE 124 gr HST

[@jamescampbell4334]

Everything Remington touches, it destroys. The green "R" is the "kiss of death."

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤭

[@russellridge8623]

Ain’t that the gospel

[@tommyrussell1415]

With 2 exceptions. Corelokt rifle ammo is the standard that everyone measures by. I've personally had good results with non bonded golden Sabre. The standard hp is complete garbage

[@jona5517]

Even the Remington 870, and 700 aren’t nearly as good as they use to be.

[@GunGuy258]

​@@tommyrussell1415 corelokt has probably put more deer on the table than any other brand.

[@Mk-vc4fx]

I recently got a product survey from Remington. When asked about any issues or problems with the product, I told them to stop watering down their products and to start loading them 'hotter'. We'll see if they listen.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice 😂

[@tommyrussell1415]

@@Mk-vc4fx na. The amount they save by watering down their ammo is better for the year end bonuses than one disgruntled customer. They make a very accurate sabot shotgun slug, their corelokt bullet is excellent when you have a rifle that shoots them well. Pretty much everything else has fallen off.

[@Pittsburgh_Perk]

I thought nobody could screw up my beloved .40 but this and that last S&B you tested are on par with fmj target loads lol

[@ToolsandTargets]

Sad stuff for sure.

[@RL-RL]

When I saw the cavity of the projectile, I knew this was going to be a dud test... You still got a thumbs up for trying!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@garrettschienschang7898]

I saw gun Sam do a video on this ammo a few years ago out of a 5 inch M&P and he got the exact same results. HTP from a 357 is about the best you can get where HTP from a 40 is about the worst.

[@ronaldbarnes8302]

Love the 40 cal, had high hopes for this ammo. For a 155 penetration was impressive, to bad it didn’t expand. Thanks for the jelly test Tools!

[@ToolsandTargets]

I really thought these were gonna look good.

[@jacobhanyen6339]

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

[@ToolsandTargets]

🎄😎👊🎄

[@tommyrussell1415]

Thank you. Merry Christmas to you too. Stay safe n blessed

[@93racers37]

patiently waiting for the 8mm mauser SPCE S&B i saw you pick up in an ammo haul a few months back mistah!

[@ToolsandTargets]

I really gotta get out and get that rifle tested.😎👊

[@kevinramsey4673]

Dang Tools, that's terrible performance. I think it was 2008 when we were having trouble getting ammo. We couldn't get Gold Dots so for about 6 months we were issued the 155 gr Remington. I'm glad nothing happened during this time.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Turrible

[@micksmith7140]

That's for taking out intruders in your neighbors house! 😂

[@williamgaines9784]

Yeah, the extremely far away terminal.😅

[@traumajock]

They've got Golden Sabers at Academy, and proud of 'em. $10 more per box than 155 Grain Silvertips.

[@tommyrussell1415]

Golden sabres are not bad. I Don't trust silver tips. The hst is outstanding. It's about as good as you can buy.

[@jona5517]

Golden saber bonded aren’t bad. Not the og version. Still way better ammo out there.

[@tommyrussell1415]

@@jona5517 at a previous job they were looking at switching to bonded golden Sabre for our 45s. Had problems getting them to expand. But that was the original version from the early 2000s. The unbonded worked much better. But for what it's worth hst is about the best I've ever seen

[@NorthernNevadan-x2k]

…dig your shows…are you a meteorologist for your real job…you give great weather forecasts

[@ToolsandTargets]

😂 Appreciate that.😎👊

[@hoffpbass]

Wow. Their 158 grain 38spl is an awesome performer in recent full protocol tests I've seen. They must be using harder lead in this caliber. Bums me out this happened.

[@abengelbrecht]

HTPs typically perform really well with magnum revolvers, but not so much in pistols.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I definitely expected better than this.

[@wymonwatson1309]

Hey thanks for the test, saved me some cash, I mentioned these on your last .40 video and you said you'd try them. Thank you for doing it.

[@kerino1]

Tools - thanks for the test! Inconsistency like this causes me to automatically pass by the green & yellow boxes when I'm ammo shopping.....

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@lil1941]

I've been waiting for such a long time for someone and I mean anyone to test this particular round. I carried this round issued on the job for years in a Beretta 96D. The fact is Hornady XTP projectiles only really expand when you push them WELL beyond say 1250fps. Well at least they were issued FREE. Thank you Sir! You ARE a true gentleman!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@leahbennett4979]

This is remington h.t.p. ammo, not hornady xtp.

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

At one point the Border Patrol was using this bullet at very nearly 1300fps and it was a monster of a load. The Federal loading with the 155 Hi-Shok at that same velocity was great too. This commercial stuff is very under loaded.

[@lil1941]

​@@leahbennett4979They (Remington) are actually using Hornady's XTP bullet in these ammo cartridges.

[@lindafoxwood9091]

I like my .40 . Good to see you testing ammo.

[@ToolsandTargets]

These surprised me.

[@alexmedinarn]

I appreciate your “artistic, cinematic feel” man. Thank you!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@TakunTakun]

I love the artistic, cinematic presentation. :)

[@ToolsandTargets]

😂

[@RandallWeeks]

"Pretend I'm just going for an artistic cinematic feel...." That made me smile 😂

[@ToolsandTargets]

😂

[@thepatriotsrage661]

I'd look at the 155gr WW Silvertip in .40 over this or the 155gr Federal Hi-shock, both perform substantially better in gel. Awesome test Brian, thanks for sharing.

[@jimmydunn3775]

Great video! Merry Christmas!

[@curtk8130]

The 155 gr 40sw htp used to be a premium defensive round that was really popular with law enforcement. I’m pretty sure border patrol carried it for many years and it was known as a real man stopper. But once upon a time you could count on getting around 1250fps from a 4” barrel. It’s a shame they can’t give people what they pay for and load this stuff properly. Even then I’m not sure another 100 fps would have gotten them to expand . I have several boxes of this stuff got it really cheap from a store going out of business. Now I know to just shoot it in the dirt because it’s junk. I’d say the 180s aren’t much better. Either way I appreciate the quality entertainment!

[@eriklambert3809]

They neutered this one. What’s crazy is people are carrying them not knowing they took some powder out

[@PerceptionVsReality333]

The 180 grain did better in my test but I didn't film it. Gun used my Glock22.

[@curtk8130]

@ yeah that’s terrible! I did an internship many years ago with the border patrol in Arizona and the agents really loved them. They knew if they ever had to use them it was gonna get the job done

[@curtk8130]

@@PerceptionVsReality333 good to hear I have a few boxes of the 180s. Like tools said it’s hard to mess up 40. How was the velocity?

[@PerceptionVsReality333]

@@curtk8130 It's advertised as 1,015 fps but I got around 10-20 fps higher. Except I tested it on a goat that passed due to a coyote bite wound on the neck. I put a T-shirt & hoodie over it which BTW is more realistic than ballistic gel.

[@USMCTop13]

Best channel for testing ammo!

[@johnnymccann5607]

hello my friend, first thing being a reloader over 45years I rarely buy new ammunition. when I bought my 2 Taurus 357mag defenders I bought two boxes of Remington htp 125gr and 158gr to try out. I would have to look up my notes but speed probably 1250 to 1300 fps.the 125gr htp expanded to 1/2in retained 124.4 gr. now I recently did a study on 40sw and 10mm it's disgusting. 10mm so watered down that unless buying buffalo bore, double tap, underwood or from equal companies it's not much more than 40 sw. and just as well off to buy 40 sw than pay those big prices or don't reload. I've been thinking about getting a 40 sw.a lady gave me 1861cases her late husband had .so I guess she made up my mind for me. papa wishing you well 😊

[@123gmor]

I have an idea for a possible test that may clear up some possible misconceptions that are frequently argued/discussed. The G.I. .45acp 225gr load from a 5" 1911 vs the 9mm M1152 115gr (Winchester) load from a 4.7" barrel. I have never seen these old vs new US standard issue rounds compared head to head in their standard issue barrel lengths. I get that there won't be expansion but it would still be interesting to many folks. Thanks Tools, I love your tests !

[@ToolsandTargets]

Do you know exactly which round the 225 .45 acp was?

[@maxmccain8950]

Cinematic effect. I love it.

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤭

[@jacksavage7808]

Thanks for doing the hard work and save us all time and money.

[@michaelbarfield528]

Great review! Maybe you should send a copy of this video to Remington like you did to Sierra cartridges ( That video performed the same as these cartridges, no expansion yet, they (Sierra cartridges) informed you they would correct the problem ) and maybe Remington may "correct" the lack of expansion issue. After all, Sierra Cartridge to their credit did give you a free box of cartridges with better expanding Sierra bullets that you followed up on by testing the new cartridges which performed much better then the previous Sierra cartridges you tested which "failed" to expand . Maybe Remington will correct this issue...maybe....

[@boxerjoe1314]

I carry these in .380 , for the reasons we just witnessed. Barely expand, so they penetrate deep, but don't over penetrate. Basically, it's a step above FMJ, but just barely.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Solid reasoning.😎👊

[@dancingdruid8314]

I looked at your collection of .357 Magnum videos. All a saw was the 357 hst/ hi-shock. What I did not see was .357 federal Hydra shok (with the inset pins). Please do a jell test from a snub nose. Thanks. 😊

[@shawthackston9723]

I am surprised that ammo didn't perform well Tools. Good to know!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Same here.😎👊

[@sleepthoughamostqruelandde1116]

The 125gr remmington htp is my edc round in my snubbie 38 special. Plus p There awsome! Not sure wut happen here. Thanks for the test sir! Luv the info😊

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, they missed with these.😆

[@jameshood9694]

Not sure what happened there. Usually these do well. I have not tested these in 40, but the ones I tested in 45 Colt were great. I want to see more tests of House of Payne rounds and Gorilla Ammo. They make a 135 grain solid copper 9mm and 230 grain 45 acp solid copper. No one else offers copper rounds that heavy.

[@thomasjefferson4662]

Sad the goldensabers which is what these used to be years ago were always on point the 185grn 45 +p ran at 1140 before all the niche lower grain fragmenting rounds came out that was the fastest 45 and it destroyed the jelly

[@paulfrevert3662]

Well shucks i had my hopes up. Another great video. Thank you

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@DanielRifleman-pb9bd]

Hey, just for the catch drape a hand towel doubled over at the end. That catches stray bullets Often for me. This is a bummer since Remington has been making good ammo for rifles for a long time. Well glad I don't use this one. Thanks for the great vids!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@alphahotel3446]

I bought some of this in .45acp... I disregarded it as soon as i fired the first round on an indoor range and found myself near blinded by the muzzle flash. 😅

[@ToolsandTargets]

😆

[@dennispresley6994]

hey buddy .long time .back to my favorite 40

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate ya, brother!😎👊

[@natjonestower3035]

Never saw a review video of the HTP, of any size, that made me want to buy some. And they charge HST price.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, it aint cheap at all.

[@greenyoshi777]

Those are basically FMJ's but a smaller box and a higher PPR. I am shocked because IF I recall? I thought the HTP in .38 special or .357 magnum LHP did much better.

[@evacornman3671]

We learn after every test 5.7 is king of terminal performance 🎉🎉

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤦‍♂️

[@Night-Jester]

What's up Tools looks like a beautiful day for some ammo testing!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Got a little chilly but much better than last time out.😆

[@yuvgotubekidding]

On a positive note the next few tests in these blocks will be much easier to see. ☀️😁👍🇺🇸👊

[@ToolsandTargets]

Very true.😂

[@creigmacc]

Would be interesting to see a round sent through bare gel to see if it would expand.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@davidjernigan8161]

Maybe see if you can pick up a used ballistic vest to put behind the gel blocks

[@ToolsandTargets]

A couple towels catch em pretty easy but I just didn't expect these to zip through.😆

[@devanshvatsal4128]

"Alright Y'all its peanut butter jelly time! I'm gonna put one of each onto the bread, starting with this peanut butter first."

[@ToolsandTargets]

😂

[@randyhavard6084]

Really makes you wonder how these ammo manufacturers come up with these loads

[@ToolsandTargets]

Mhmm

[@l.a.3887]

Good testing thanks

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@upholdthesecond92]

😮WOW - I’m surprised actually considering they were 155 gr. Good test. I am going to stick with Ranger-T’s.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, I didn't expect this at all.

[@Texas2Step79]

Tools dont make the ammo ..he just exposes its weakness..... smash that like 👍 button..show some love ..

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate ya, brother.😎👊

[@erichanson7293]

I've seen the exact same piss poor performance in the .380 88 gr HTTP in organic and clear ballistics gel. In my opinion, the jackets are too thick for any expansion.

[@craigbenz4835]

The penetration matches every 40 HTP gel test I've seen, both 155 & 180.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@Tom-cp6yj]

That bullet actually had a good reputation for putting bad guys down..

[@Kracviking]

There is a reason that some stores are selling HTPs (in various calibers) at deep discounts, Freedom Munitions was clearing out 88gr 380 for 10 bucks a box, pure range fodder

[@ToolsandTargets]

😆

[@c.r.chandler5905]

Wow this a first. Never thought I would see the day when a .40 would crap the bed like this.

[@th.burggraf7814]

Yup.., denim/cloth makes all the difference...

[@YellowHammer26]

👍👍appreciate the video Tools

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@Kevin-y1q4x]

I mean the permanent wound cavity looked like most expanding hollow points but also got 32 inches of penetration is that really a failure ?????

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yes

[@Biomass1]

Pity because I like their Golden Sabers.

[@independentthinker8930]

Should put old blocks behind as catch blocks just for this case

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@ChandlerCharityTV]

Hey Tools, been watching ever since you started testing using the clothing barriers - Would you be willing to do an updated test on the Speer Gold Dot in .380? Would greatly appreciate it. I know HST/Punch are great out of the Bodyguard, but 50 round boxes of GD are often $10 cheaper for a box of 50

[@ToolsandTargets]

I actually just looked and I don't think I've ever even tested it. I'll see about grabbing some.😎👊

[@ChandlerCharityTV]

@ToolsandTargets Hell yeah, thanks!

[@mematt8955]

the winchester ranger 155gr claims 1210fps and 502 ft-lbs compared to the hst 165gr that claims 1130fps and 468 ft-lbs. not sure if it actually does what the box claims though.

[@ToolsandTargets]

This stuff sure didn't.

[@mematt8955]

@@ToolsandTargets makes sense that a 155gr could have more energy. the projectile is slightly shorter so there is more room for powder and it should have an easier time accelerating before leaving the barrel. but i have yet to see a 155gr perform well. hard to beat the 165 hst performance.

[@CeltKnight]

Me: "Well, it's hard to mess up a .40 Smith & Wesson, so..." [Bang!] Me: "... but Remington managed to do it." In fairness, the rounds to me seemed to do pretty good damage but there is no excuse for a .40 JHP to get that kind of penetration. I'll stick with my 165gr HSTs, I guess.

[@ToolsandTargets]

This stuff was determined to prove me wrong.😂

[@genespain1234]

Whats up with this channel ? No long loud intro? No jabber mouth talk talk talk talk!! Wheres the annoying background music?? Dam explains whats up, gets right to it , and offers up usable data! Thanks! My favorite boom boom channel.

[@147CombatMedic]

😲 The title says it all... 😢 I'm not sure if this performance makes me utterly disgusted or just plain sad. 🤔 Great buyer beware vid! 💥👍💥

[@ToolsandTargets]

Didn't see this one coming.

[@steelpunisher6944]

Well… more expensive fmj on the shelf. Pud loaded and and terrible design. This is why your videos are so important. Thank you for all you do good sir 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Very surprised by this one.

[@propgungoesboom2647]

Ill save my money and just use a fmj. Thanks for the test

[@angrysheepdog9744]

Too bad the HTP bullet design looks high speed. Another fail going into the plinking pile

[@ToolsandTargets]

It's a big ol pile!😆

[@angrysheepdog9744]

@@ToolsandTargets The HST's mouth is more rounded and pointy which is why it can pierce denim without clogging but would more likely go around a coconut. The HTP's mouth is wider and sharper more like a leather hole puncher which is less likely to ricochet. That's why Jerry Cirrillo ended up choosing wad cutters which do it all. Unfortunately those only work well in revolvers.

[@josephpacchetti5997]

Thank's Brian👍 🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate ya, brother. Hope you have a Merry Christmas!😎👊

[@Judge102]

I went to one of the local gun shops today and found this stuff in .380 for $19. I guess thats why it $19. I dont have a 380 but looked for in 9mm with no luck, maybe "dodged a bullet" on this one.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😂

[@Steamrunner]

Remington can get it right for a short barrel 357 Mag but screws the pooch on 40 in normal semi-auto barrel lengths. Guess there's no point in asking for a test in a 3-inch ported barrel out of a Shield.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@shane6154]

Remington: "1205 fps (out of a 16" carbine)" 🤣.... I run HSTs in 9mm but I also like the Federal Punch for a "value" HP that still performs well. I just got some .40 and .45 Punch for $10 a box at Rural King on sale!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice 😎👊

[@petee454]

The stuff sucked. I have a ton of 185gr+P 45 Golden Saber I picked up a decade ago. Police trade in stuff. Shot great at 200yds out of a carbine. Now, looking at that Rem stuff, I am not so sure about it. Yikes. Nice cinematic effects though. Very mood enhancing! 😅 MERRY CHRISTMAS to you and your family my friend. BE SAFE. HAVE FUN!!!

[@yomomma107]

Remington must be using that 6-inch subcompact barrel for those velocities 😅 HST is still King

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤭

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Disappointing for sure. Years ago the 165 Golden Sabre was an option I looked at when I picked up my first 40 in the late 90s. I tested it and the Win Silvertip 155 and a Federal HiShok(180?). All 3 had less than consistent performance in a variety of media. The Golden Saber looked great when it performed but typically separated from jacket. I ended up handloading a 155 XTP that always performed. Is it the low velocity or the denim that is the biggest obstacle for performance? Thank you for testing 40.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I guess it's maybe the denim/cloth because of the lower velocity. So a combo of both I would assume. Maybe sprinkled with a little dated bullet design. Seems like the tests I've done with different Golden Sabre calibers had a decent amount of jacket separation too.

[@Greg_Ashley]

Humble Recommendation: Change your channel name from "Tools and Targets" to "King of Cool".

[@BigPhilsSaws]

I second this.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😂 Appreciate ya, my friend!😎👊

[@ratagris21]

Hand out the Prozac before watching this one Tools. Thanks for all you do. 🎩♠️🇺🇸🏹

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤣🤣🤣

[@YouveBeenMiddled]

Perhaps these projectiles made sense when they are loaded in 10mm?

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤷‍♂️

[@PerceptionVsReality333]

I wonder if the test barrel for this round was from a 5.30" G35.

[@brandiwynter]

I've seen HTP's tested in 9mm and it did the exact same thing. I think I've used them before but it was either .357 or .44 magnum. I'm not a fan of this ammo at all.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😆

[@mrarthur9183]

Knowing that, I do feel better.

[@MikeRoth-ex1wk]

Can't check out what has already cheched out, c ya!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥💨

[@LastManStanding.45]

Wow…. Good to know!

[@rockystelone21]

Im pretty sure that the bad guy won't say....Hey that's some junk you shot me with.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@JP-gw3bk]

0:26 i actually carry these, so I'm interested in seeing the results

[@ToolsandTargets]

They poke holes.

[@JP-gw3bk]

​@ToolsandTargets thank you for this video. I'll be shooting these off next range day and getting something else.

[@angrysheepdog9744]

I'm just glad it wasn't a 10mm fail like this. Tools would have had a stroke.

[@charlesmorgan1879]

H = Hard T = To P = Pay for Thanks for info

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤭

[@basedyt6485]

This was used by USBP/CBP for years. Maybe they had a special loading? 😮

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤷‍♂️

[@Hanover_Fist]

Thanks Tools, Old Ammo.....

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@UncleFjester]

*Why am I here, Every Friday @ **4:20** ?*

[@ToolsandTargets]

😉