TOP 10 BEST 4K Blu-ray Movies of 2021 | Home Theater DEMOS!

Today we go over the top 10 Best 4k UHD bluray movies of 2021. Each 4k movie was judged on both audio and video together as a whole and must include the newest surround formats. Dolby Atmos or DTS:X. These are the best 4k UHD bluray movies according to us. What is on your list?
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[@GameSack]

Looking forward to your top 10 mono movies from the 50's. Maybe on April 1?

[@specialformula14]

Woah the sack is into 4K !

[@adriannn3720]

I recently watched the Bridge on the River Kwai in 4K, was blown away! I believe it has Atmos, though didn't matter for me since I don't have an audio setup yet

[@railerswim]

@@specialformula14 yeah he is, he used to be THX certified

[@leapingtortoise]

Good list going. I do appreciate that you put a lot of detail into the audio reviews, keep it up! Plus, you got my hopes up about Dune! Had I known I might have imported it, but now it'll be released locally before the import arrives.

[@naderzein2435]

I like the quick summary of your reviews on this video Shane. Nice job this year👍

[@mikeschramm]

Love these lists, nice work Shane!

[@ScruffyWarlord]

You have the best list of any youtuber this year. Well done. These are very hard to do.

[@cheekster777]

Nice list. Merry Xmas Shane and team. Thanks for all of the great content on this channel. 🎄 👍🏻

[@jamesarnold4967]

Love your reviews throughout the year and the top ten’s are great , will always watch them before buying a new release at full price! Looking forward to your content in 2022!! 👊🏽

[@ricsip]

He mentions, it wasnt considered how crap any of these movies -per se- is, just purely the audio/video transfer quality matters in this comparison. I wouldnt buy any of those, if it was a crap story.

[@P-LOWN1997]

Nice top 10 keep up the good work man!🤙

[@RONNIEAST]

Thanks for this list! Great surprises that I'm going to check out

[@Big_Chef_Dawg]

thank you spare change since my wife left me this year your videos have really helped me

[@AuggieG]

Always look forward to this upload!

[@admstudios7]

Awesome review on this movies Keep up the good work 💪

[@conradpoirier5782]

Thanks for the list keep them coming!

[@LoganReads]

I’ve managed to get three of these. I always love when the imax shots get to keep their full frame

[@nirajktm]

Thanks for another great top 10 list Shane 👍🏼

[@ZombiesRus5]

Monster Hunter was the surprise movie for me. Great for demo’ing too.

[@shaner3d]

Great information Shane

[@nonametofame]

WB stepped up this year and had some solid top 10 picks. It was a rare if not, once in a lifetime chance to compare theatrical mixes to home systems, same day.. The streams were only decent but fortunately we get the quality physical discs too. Great list 👌

[@craigosterberg5045]

Merry Christmas. Good list

[@TheAtomicDom]

Didn't realise I needed this channel in my life until I found it!

[@David25522]

Great picks Shane!

[@gungfuchuckify]

Merry Christmas and happy new year Bridgeport Connecticut thanks for all your help 👍😎👍dude

[@MichelleAlexandria-EM]

Elyssium was released on UHD 3 or 4 years ago. It was one of the first 4k Disks I’ve ever owned and still haven’t watched. Great list. My memory is so bad I can’t remember the discs I rented last week much less all year :) WB had a great yr for 4K UHD.

[@ohnder]

Elyssium was a February 2021 release

[@MichelleAlexandria-EM]

@@ohnder I guess there was just the iTunes Digital version then

[@bobeeles1949]

Hi Shane great channel mate thanks. I know you concentrate on video and audio quality but how about a green tick and a red Cross some where on the screen to indicate whether you liked the movie or not. Have a great 2022

[@JB-ki9ql]

Great list my friend happy Xmas to you and your family.

[@Spawn005]

Great list, very good year for home media and next year seems to be better. Hope more IMAX releases though!

[@dp-calibrations2057]

Great list!

[@surshado87]

I have been building my 4k collection around you top 10 suggestions as well as another channel and you both have not failed me yet. Great list and keep up the great work!

[@Phantompunisher]

Who is the other channel?

[@laspaceboy]

@@Phantompunisher Probably “Films at Home”

[@TravionMusic]

Other channel??

[@normanlang1297]

Many Thanks Shane from Germany ✌😁

[@LILGHETTI]

Great list shane I knew snyder cut and the suicide squad and chaos walking would be on this list. Can't wait to check out dune again, it sounded amazing and looked great in the theater.

[@mephInc]

Dune is amazing

[@carlosalejandroalvarenga4913]

Just bright my first 4k bluray player. Can't wait to build my collection.

[@ginarae5739]

Great Article Shane, fantastic level of detail, Well Done..!! Please may I ask.. Apart from the Snyderverse, why is Suicide Squad the Only IMAX movie transferred in FULL-SCREEN....?? Many Thanks G

[@Franksmediaandreviews]

Merry Christmas Shane!

[@therealshanelee]

🍻

[@Godzilla360]

Great list! Bond is the only i haven't picked up yet. Gonna wait till it drops below 20

[@chrisd6736]

Ha love this list. Biggest surprise of the year was easily Elysium. The movie looks like it was shot last year. Looks amazing. Awesome movie too.

[@olugbengadavidakinmosin3717]

Great list, my picks for best 4k demo discs include Candyman 2021, The forever purge and Space jam 2 New legacy. These are the cleanest and great sounding discs this year. Candyman in my opinion has the best Atmos sound I heard this year, it is atmospheric and very unsettling.it had the hairs on my neck standing. Candyman 2021 is my number 1 disc of the year.

[@DrRobertBischof]

Great video! I dying to pick up Dune when that drops, think I'm gonna have to get Suicide Squad and Monster Hunter as well.

[@mephInc]

Monster Hunter is kinda cheesy but in a fun way.

[@bumstudios8817]

Merry Christmas

[@michelsenay6084]

I would add The Green Knight to the list. Sharp and colorful image with solid black levels, and immersive audio. The movie itself is another story but at least in tech specs it's a champ.

[@akasinned52]

i was just about to comment on this movie. easily the best looking movie I have seen in a long time.

[@OldMan_PJ]

My favorite 4K for the year was The Final Countdown. The shots of the F-14's flying over the ocean has tremendous depth and rivals Top Gun in many shots.

[@peveglp]

Thanks, Shane.

[@davidthanos]

I loved the way the matrix trilogy looked. Crazy how it still holds up. Also don't mind throwing in 1917

[@mephInc]

The remaster of the original matrix is fantastic.

[@cpt.hindsight]

Wish Master and commander, was in uhd. Great movie, and a great demo, especially the scene when the ship is attacked, and the opening scene with the creaking of the ship..

[@soundbarguy]

Great review! Will you do a top 10 3D bluray review?

[@therealshanelee]

I don't think there were 10 3D's in 2021.

[@soundbarguy]

@@therealshanelee too bad 😔

[@David-nd4to]

Good to know I own a few of the high ranking movies on here

[@notastrawhat2574]

ZSJL and quiet place 2 are the only ones I’ve expirienced out of your list but they both sounded great (i don’t have a 4k display but I do have 5.1.2 atmos). Recently checked out venom let there be carnage and space jam 2, the both have great mixes. I saw the suicide squad on hbo max and it sounded not great, nice to hear that the disc is better. I can’t wait for dune, I’m reading it rn and I can’t wait to hear it in atmos.

[@behanthescene]

Wow for the first time I have everything on this list but one

[@carlosr.2027]

Have you done a list of top 20-50 must own 4k disc that’s worth buying

[@RickyG512]

You need to review Don't Breathe 2, one of the best sounding movies I've watched this year

[@MrTimFilms]

My man!

[@adriannn3720]

00:12 "and the Cloud Escape"? What's that?

[@ZoomPicard]

I am nitpicking but both zynder films had imax sequences but in the tech specs you said they were shot in 35mm, should it be 35mm and imax? Otherwise great video

[@therealshanelee]

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[@ZoomPicard]

@@therealshanelee I see so its shot in 35mm and no IMAX camera were used but when we say the "IMAX" scenes they are just cropped versions of the 35mm that was shot. So the real issue is we now refer to anything cinematic that has bars to the left and right as "IMAX". I have been guilty of over using the term as well

[@soraceant]

This is almost everything that was on sale during black Friday

[@gralen]

I have 6 out of 10. I did not know James Bond was out yet, I will buy Sucide Squad maybe this week. The Chaos movie I have no idea what it is about. A quiet place II had the police at my door( turn the bass down. That is what I get for getting a SVS subwoofer.) LOL

[@billybob2025]

Own 6 so not to bad

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

No Time To Die 4K at number 10? Very surprised it was that low. Need to see what else is in the top 10.

[@adriannn3720]

Can we make up?

[@sbi168]

My two fave 4k this year are zack snyders justice league and the suicide squad.

[@turtron]

What watch are you wearing?

[@therealshanelee]

126300

[@jnapier3998]

spare change really the best out here...2 snyder films & dune in top 10...best of best

[@TerminatorJuice]

After seeing a few positive reviews for the audio quality I decided to buy Monster Hunter... and it's honestly one of the worst audio mixes I've heard in a long time! Yes it's loud and the bass hits hard in the intro, but there was absolutely no subtlety to it what so ever IMO! I just got worn out by the sound of characters rolling on the ground being as loud as gun fire and explosions, so ended up just turning the volume way down to make it through to the end of the movie. Dune, on the other hand, was a perfect mix in my room!

[@temd6196]

Oh wow I have all these movies in 4K disc ..

[@smithfan22]

What about Django from Arrow?

[@kewlbug]

Damn, you gotta dunk on My Fair Lady

[@unknownuser200985]

own most of these though i still cant bring myself to watch a quietplace 2. that is still in its plastic

[@Alphadec]

no christine, no the thing, no guns of navarone. that says it all about this list.

[@alexdas2000]

In the Line of Fire 4K

[@mephInc]

I can't do the DC movies. I just don't like their style. I continually fall asleep. And while Godzilla v kong is all the things you said, you neglected to mention that the audio is very quiet. I had to go to near reference level to match other movies.

[@MattyDante]

Doesn't Batman v. Superman Ultimate Edition crop the sides off in some scenes? Like it wasn't shot with IMAX cameras so didn't Snyder just crop the aspect ratio to give it the feel of IMAX? It's like one step forward and one step back, more on the top and bottom but less on the sides? I'm legit looking for clarification here from somebody that has seen both.

[@WasimSaleem]

He did shoot some scenes with IMAX cameras, just like Nolan does on his films. No cropping. In fact you can see the comparison in this video at 11:30. More picture at the top and bottom and same sides.

[@MattyDante]

@@WasimSaleem so Snyder just left the image completely uncropped whereas everyone else just fills the entire screen with it, no letter boxes though.

[@WasimSaleem]

@@MattyDante that's right. The home releases for the Nolan films and others crop the IMAX scenes to a 16:9 ratio to match a TV. Snyder left them at the full IMAX ratio of 1.43:1.

[@danieldalton6544]

Why would Justice League be in 1:33 aspect ratio? Weird.

[@johnnypooh3243]

No free guy?..lovely movie..🙂

[@therealshanelee]

Agree. It was a good movie.

[@jbeez_theahch]

Wow no candyman 😂😂😂

[@mwrightinsurance]

What does DI stand for?

[@johnthebimmerman1406]

Digital interface.

[@buhidef]

Digital Intermediate

[@derekhofstetler3998]

Digital Intermediate (The final resolution of the movie)

[@mwrightinsurance]

@@derekhofstetler3998 thanks!

[@ItsameMatt]

The sad thing is I own nearly all of these but have only watched a couple of them. I've got a lot of catching up to do!

[@davidhart8552]

Wouldn’t give any of these the regardless of how good they look or sound! I’ll hold out for another list more to my liking. Older movies rock!

[@Audioholics]

Uh what about Auro 3D movies? 🤔 😕 😆

[@stefanroell7252]

Or non-Atmos movies upmixed using Auromatic 😉 I’m always impressed what it can do to a great 5.1 mix

[@therealshanelee]

Concert hall DSP works just as good on Yamaha AVR's 🤭

[@Audioholics]

@@therealshanelee truth 👍

[@stefanroell7252]

@@therealshanelee Consuela says "No No" 😉

[@Herofmine]

New “Resident evil: Welcome to Raccoon city” in my opinion it has best dolby atmos from all of those top 10 you’ve mentioned, but story line itself meh))

[@therealshanelee]

I just watched it. It wouldn't have made the list.

[@Herofmine]

@@therealshanelee maybe source has something to do, I watched all of those(except monster hunters…haven’t watched it yet) in digital copy…

[@Evaquiel]

What about Matrix Ressurections? It looked so crisp and the contrast was amazing and so clean (but sharp).

[@WPorta1969]

These are reviews of physical 4K releases, not 4K digital streams. I’m sure the transfer will be good since it’s a WB release. However, I for one won’t be picking it up because I was not a fan of that film.

[@shaneducholke364]

You need to to best list for Atmos as well as a list for LFE.

[@EctoPlasmic]

I know this will probably be in 2022, but in Ghostbusters Afterlife, the earthquake scene.. When I watched it in Imax, pretty sure the whole theatre was shaking. Not to mind when it comes out on Digital next year, it will probably be one of my go-to demos.

[@NYC_Goody]

I don't understand how anyone hates grain bunch of lemons

[@tatsumaru12345]

No time to die doesn't belong. Beyond that, very good. Unbalanced sound mix. The Atmos isn't doing much. Voices go from ok to 'what?' Outside of HDR, its obvious there's a better master out there. The cropped imax isnt great. Venom 2 isn't as good a movie, but audio/video is leagues better. 'only doing Atmos/dtsx, eh. Take the phantom menace. The dts-hd mix is better than the newer Atmos one. Just isn't dynamically there.'

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

Chaos Walking did look and sound great

[@Samzep]

Sound average

[@LaGreatsword]

The best 2021 UHD Blu-Ray in terms of sound / picture quality is undoubtedly "The Green Knight"

[@mephInc]

Is the movie itself any good though?

[@WPorta1969]

@@mephInc IMHO wasn’t a fan of the film itself. It’s one of those love it or hate films. It’s a great looking film though. I blind bought it and gave it a watch when it was $10 at Best Buy. I don’t keep movies I don’t like or plan I’m ever rewatching in my collection so I passed it along to a friend that would appreciate it more.

[@Lighthouse3D]

No more top 10 3D blu-rays 😭

[@adrianmedrano6650]

Alita batle angel

[@dorkknight42]

Can you do a list of top ten uhd that arent garbage moviesl... monster hunter, snyder movies, chaos walking. Lol i dont care how good it looks and sounds, these movies are absolute slogs to sit though again.

[@therealshanelee]

You’ve always go Jeremy Johns, Chris Stuckman and all those guys if you need movie reviews. If your a home theater person and want to know what’s gonna make your system look and sound great you come here. Those channels don’t do what I do and I don’t do what they do.

[@ilovelctr]

Dune has a beautiful cinematography and its dolby vision MEL mode is quite an eye candy. The desert looks fantastic in the daylight on dolby vision. But I'm not a fan of the excessive soft look manually introduced into the movie. Certain shots of the film, even without digital effects, can look like 2k rather than 4k imo, even on this UHD disc instead of HBO MAX streaming.

[@tritan3900]

Cool

[@GringoLatino941]

1. WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT "POLTERGEIST" (1982) and "TWISTER" and "THE ABYSS" and "DAYLIGHT" release dates on 4k WITH ATMOS? AND... 2. will THE ABYSS be the longer version at 171 minutes (or both versions on 4k)? I KNOW from another youtube video from reviewer in Ireland that they have the 4k versions with atmos sound already of "TWISTER" and "DAYLIGHT". THANK YOU.

[@rogerdestroyerr]

Audio and video quality won't do, we need to know if acting and movie plot is anygood good

[@therealshanelee]

Whether or not the story or acting is any good or if the movie is any good is far more subjective than how good the picture and sound is. That's why we don't do movie reviews here. There's a hundreds of those channels already. If you've invested in a good home theater you'd probably want to know how the a/v will perform. Most of those movie reviewers couldn't tell you what an HDMI cable does.

[@joec121]

Why make a statement like that when He says BEFORE any reviews that its not how good or bad the movie is.😂🤦.If you dont approve...Maybe make your own channel🤷🤔😂.

[@corporalhicks86]

You gave Dune a 9.7 for video and 9.9 for audio, how did this not make your top 3?

[@therealshanelee]

It's explained in the video.

[@corporalhicks86]

@@therealshanelee thanks, but should be top 3 😉

[@adriannn3720]

@@therealshanelee Hey, do you think the Indiana Jones remasters were too weak to make it on the list? Personally, I was skeptical about the transfer on Temple, but Raiders and Last Crusade have ridiculously good transfers

[@ScruffyWarlord]

@@adriannn3720 i own all the movies in this video (dune is on preorder). I also own Indiana jones - to your question the indiana jones 4k discs weren't that great. They're not terrible either but they're more on the mediocre side of things.

[@adriannn3720]

@@ScruffyWarlord Well, I really, really liked them. As I said, Temple of Doom could be better, but the others are really good. Maybe you dislike film grain?

[@simianinc]

It's a shame that most of these movies are aimed at millennials and Gen Zs - the audience that can't afford home cinema. I wish their were films for us grown ups. I think Dune would fit the bill. I've only seen it at the cinema, but that bass rattled my rib cage. God save us from another Snyder movie.

[@pooter4e552]

The Last Dual for us adults and the final dual scene was EPIC 💪.

[@smithfan22]

I feel the same way. This list is perfect for a 16 year old.

[@ddc2957]

All stinkers (in terms of the movies themselves). What a shame.

[@MetalsForBrunch]

what happen to The Tomorrow War?

[@therealshanelee]

I don't believe that released on disc.

[@MetalsForBrunch]

@@therealshanelee if it was on disc it would make it on your list right? 🙂

[@therealshanelee]

@@MetalsForBrunch prob be on the best Atmos list.

[@Samzep]

Its crap sound

[@mrmotown1004]

A very bad year as far as quality films Most of those movies are so God awful I just can’t bare to watch them ever again no matter how good they look and sound 😂

[@scotttild]

I don’t know Elysium was such a god awful movie it should not be on any best of list, and no Shawshank, I know it’s not going to blow the subs out the window and no atoms but still one of the best 4k releases of the year IMO.

[@Samzep]

Shit sound should not be in list not even in top 1000

[@kmook76]

Most of these movies suck from a plot/acting overall rating standpoint. Mortal Kombat and Kong are trash

[@badgastein2]

I found showing new viewers the first part of Quiet Place 2 to the opening credits then switching to Quiet Place 1 avoided the confusion on what was going on…..in 2021 I enjoyed searching for, and watching in 3D, Monster Hunter and Godzilla V Kong. Oh no where is My Fair Lady? Is it in the closet with ‘The Ten Commandments’?

[@blurayffan66]

First!!!!

[@GalvatronTypeR]

Here are my useless, irrelevant, pointless $.02 comments on the quality of the ten movies chosen. My list completely ignores audio and video quality and is strictly about the quality of the films themselves. Your opinions may vary: 10. No Time to Die: a very well made movie and excellent fitting send off for Daniel Craig’s tenure in the tux. 9. Monster Hunter: absolute intelligence insulting junk. I think the only point of PWSA’s career now is to make movies so that his wife can get cast in it. Also, how does this hack still get funding for his movies and why does Capcom still allow him to get anywhere near their IP? 8. Mortal Kombat: an okay reboot of the franchise that is still full of silly nonsensical moments. The lead character is wooden and uninspired but Scorpion and Subzero are the MVPs of the production. 7. Elysium: a okay movie with great SFX and heavy-handed message but nowhere as good as Blomkamp’s best which is District 9. 6. Justice League: an absolute slog to sit through that is painful to watch. The additions and subtractions Snyder made did not appreciably improve the movie because the original writing has tons of problems. The best part is that this will be the last DCEU movie that Snyder directs because WB has moved on from him. 5. Chaos Walking: I didn’t see it. Neither did anyone else. 4. A Quiet Place II: overrated with an abrupt sequel bait ending. The script felt rushed and unfinished and so does the movie. 3. Godzilla vs. Kong: an absolutely ludicrous over the top movie with a thin plot used solely as an excuse for shameless overacting (especially from Bichir and Gonzalez) and 1s and 0s in a CGI computer colliding against each other. 2. Suicide Squad: a bare minimum reboot improvement over the first movie. A movie that thinks it’s funnier than it actually is like the class clown who tries too hard. This movie’s biggest sin is not doing anything whatsoever to move the overall DCEU forward or give it any much needed momentum. 1. Batman v. Superman: SAVE MARTHA! Miscast manic Mark Zuckerberg hand feeding Jolly Rogers to a senator. Depressed bipolar Superman. Ridiculous Batman wet dream where he fights Superman’s Nazis in the desert. Zack Snyder. Honorable mention: Dune: a very good visually stunning movie with an abrupt ‘PLEASE GREENLIGHT A SEQUEL!” ending.

[@aamarrahman8631]

Why you not trying your own channel you looser .....🤣

[@nandyvara]

whats in your top 10 then?