Top 10 Disappointing Games

[@MikeC310]

There’s no doubt DT has improved their overall quality but there’s something charming and nostalgic about the old environment in these older lists. Thanks to all of you guys. Now and then.

[@eddieb8054]

I love going back into the past with these.

[@JonReid01]

Tom needs to bring back the moustache!

[@Goron1988]

10) 2:32 9) 7:25 8) 12:22 7) 16:49 6) 22:10 5) 27:36 4) 34:20 3) 39:54 2) 46:28 1) 50:21

[@Tahlorn]

Completely disagree about Kingdom Builder. I am fine with the 1 card, it forces a different type of strategic thinking. The variety of goals and board combinations gives it a lot of replay value. It is a good non-direct competitive game for folks that don;t enjoy the "I screw you over" feel of other competitive games.

[@mgk2020]

@@victorikkykawahara7680 Well said.

[@GatsbyCioffi]

lol, I love how a fight breaks out every time someone says "Agricola".

[@BodgeAttack]

I come back to this video at least once a year just to hear Zee talk about kingdom builder.🤣🤣🤣

[@lexxtalionis]

List starts at 2:27

[@mikloshollo7773]

Zee's performance at his number 1 is definitely one of his best in the show IMO. I rewatched it probably 100 times and still laughing every time. Good job, man! :)

[@ramonosuke]

I think it would awesome to see an update to this list. Plenty of new disappointments have come out since this video was posted ;)

[@wroot_lt]

They actually just did the same list a few days ago (maybe they forgot the already did this). And surprisingly many games are still on the list :)

[@Warlocke000]

Thing I was most surprised to see in this video: Big Red. Only soda that tastes like 'red.'

[@jaokolad]

at 35:00, instead of calling tom his game ninja nuns, I suggest he simply call it "nunjas".Your welcome, tom.

[@fredmethot6116]

I'd love it if you guys would put the top 10 list in the video description, with timestamps... would be pretty useful when looking for opinion on specific subjects !

[@teflonravager]

+Fred Methot They give complete lists at the end so you can find the segment you are looking for without too much trouble. Especially if the preview window at the bottom when you move the cursor along the timeline shows the numbers.

[@rorirants9468]

"Roll for lemons"! haha I love these top 10 vids, thank you for the time & energy you spend on doing them :D

[@TyphoidBryan]

Eclipse is the number EIGHT game on Board Game Geek, yet Sam can't muster a single reason as to why he placed it atop his list.

[@cloud2018]

I love Touch of Evil. It is text heavy so that's fair but it does play out like a good story with friends and that's why I love it. It took what I liked about Arkham Horror and boiled it down into a more digestible time frame that I feel is less convoluted and plays smoother as a result.

[@MikeYoungOnline]

These are great at an hour long. People who want summaries can go to your web site and see the printed lists.

[@normnevins8067]

Thanks for this video guys, lots of great fun! After a bad couple of days this hit the spot!!

[@mjfannon2]

Really fun episode guys. I always enjoy your videos Tom, but my favorites are always with Sam and Zee there. It feels like board game night when I watch you guys. Keep it up

[@jward1465]

I love Co-op games and IMO Zombicide is the best cooperative I have ever played. If you don't cooperate and work as a team you WILL lose. I understand that people have different tastes but Sam's reaction to Zombicide really baffles me.

[@Awgez24]

Call of Duty Ghosts was my most dissapoint I was not scared once

[@Awgez24]

Also no spooky ghosts

[@spooked4lyfe]

3spooky5me

[@aatragon]

I apologize in advance, but many times I become disinterested in your "Top Ten" videos, and just cut to the end to see the result. This one, however, does not disappoint. I watched all 58 minutes, chuckling all the way. You guys are funny and amiable, and in this one that really comes out. It was amusing to watch your reactions to these disappointing games. BTW, I share your disappointment in the 6-7 games on the list I have played, and will take your word for the rest.

[@NickDavies75]

My favourite thing is seeing your reactions to eachother's selections. Tom; you are so diplomatic!

[@duncanbradley5236]

Zombicide my friends and I find to be a lot of fun. There are game mechanics that as others have said can be tweaked to improve the overall enjoyment and "realism", but as a whole it is a solid co-op game that has tremendous punch IF you like the zombie survival genre. The game benefits tremendously for Prison Outbreak season 2 and the Toxic Mall expansion, plus if you add the zombie dogs that is a huge game changing dynamic. Overall for wow factor on the production, replay options customization and team fun in the face of the zombie apocalypse, it is a great game IMHO.

[@winterplum]

Great List. My big 'dissapointment' would proably get me a ton of grief (not from you guys though) so I'll leave it at bay. Suffice it to say that it takes place in the world of Terrinoth, and it gets a lot of love. I think all three of your lists are fine, except for Zee's number 10...we really like the game, but we play it with a compliment of a spooky music playlist and with only 2 or three (at most) players. Doing a top 10 of games you were surprised to enjoy is good...make it so! :)

[@cliffkamarga7325]

I love these Top 10s with Tom, Zee and Sam! Best part of The Dice Tower! Great job guys!

[@jakersni9499]

What game does Tom mention at 12:09? 'One Fighter Dies'? I can't find it on Board Game Geek.

[@12thLevelSithLord]

It's "Run, Fight, or Die"

[@jakersni9499]

Cheers.

[@urzathehappy72]

one fighter dies wuld be a funny game name lol

[@SkullNBonesable]

Hey what are those containers used for Battlegrounds Fantasy Warfare that are on the middle shelf behind Tom throughout the video?

[@olafbuddenberg4787]

Sam, you should try A TOUCH OF EVIL. Maybe Zee didn't have the right people playing that game with him 'cause it is not disappointing and actually better than Arkham Horror. My opinion.

[@tehrap6075]

When you were talking about Lock 'n' Load and how there were so many rules, I desperately wanted to ask if any of you have played 40K

[@rc7771]

The Pathfinder card game is probably the most disappointing one I've played in a long time. The group I played with loved it in the first scenario, but when we got to the second one, it just stopped being fun. The rules didn't read well, and the goals in that second scenario were just difficult to achieve.

[@Saygoodbyemrfish]

It's almost pointless to comment on something which has over 200 of them already, because no-one's going to read it (it's just too much). Anyway, I only wanted to say that I do love watching Miami Dice and these Top 10 videos, I think them three (Tom, Sam and Zee) work very well and make me laugh, I really appreciate that they do these recordings. Just for the topic, for me Agricola is a disappointment, it wasn't for me at all, so I'm with Zee on that one.

[@SamHealey6]

FYI...I, at least, do go back and read up on comments that I may or may not have missed. So, don't think that that posting is pointless.

[@larrywooters8635]

My vote for Worst/Disappointing games is "Are you the traitor?" from Looney Labs. What a waste of a game. You get your roles and then on your turn you look at someone and say "Are you the traitor?" Really? My next choice would be "Forbidden Island". I don't mind co-operative games. But, this game really doesn't need anyone else. Just play by yourself. I like a little bit of individual player thought.

[@mphilpsychology9391]

Junta is awesome! Only problem is that you can never play it with the same group as people tend to take revenge a little too serious. :)

[@romanphoenix999]

I disagree on kingdom builder. I wasn't sold on it when seeing reviews, but decided to give it a go at a local gamestore. I was pleasantly surprised. The combination of special powers and objectives which all change with the setup and the variable board makes it a fine game for me. I like to find which combination of actions work best and do neat tactics.

[@adamheeley285]

That one is so hard to judge. I definitely wont buy it till i try it. It looks cool, but it may not be so good for casual players.

[@Twineandribbon]

A Touch of Evil is still one of my favorite games, but I see where you're coming from. For me it was like ... my second thematic board game I'd ever played and I've played it like a hundred times and loved it soooo much, because I didn't know any better. Having played like 6 years of games since then, I can see why it would be disappointing but you're completely right, the theme is really cool and that's why it sticks around for me as a favorite. I really think this is a game that deserves to be "killed" by another game. I WANT a colonial horror old style monster board game that is good. ARGh. I can have fun with A touch of evil only because I have played it enough I can look past its flaws to enjoy the good bits. I wish I didn't have to do that. I really enjoy Eclipse, but no one will play Twilight Imperium with me so I have nothing to compare it to.

[@Lugo428]

you know, I just now realized that is basically a scaled back Arkham Horror, but I think AH would be better all around.

[@amn1088]

Touch of Evil is a pretty cool game. However it always kinda falls flat after playing it a few times. I liked it for being a simpler Arkham Horror but with a competitive mode as well. However in the end competitive just ends with whoever got lucky card draw early flying through the game and dominating. Coop is just a snooze feast as you build up as long as you want to be unstoppable and just murder the boss. Expansions seemed to change it as far as difficulty, but the game already took up a lot of space needing even more was horrible and really increased difficulty really only extended game time and didn't increase the fun factor at all. In the end its a descent game when you don't know what all the good cards are. Once you do it is no longer exciting and just a battle of who can draw them faster and plow through everything.

[@DocHollidayGames]

Agricola was one of my favorite board games next to Puerto Rico :(

[@lecitadin69]

Are you guys the singers of the songs we hear over the coutndown numbers?

[@adampalesch4515]

I enjoyed this - sometime you really just need to vent... especially when you pay $100 for a game and... it.... just... sucks. I brought home Super Dungeon Explorer - heard nothing but praise and excitement, looks amazing, but what I got was a game that seriously needed 1) a rule book, 2) play testing, and 3) models that fit together properly. I don't know how so many people like this game. $100!!!! Stink! just sadness.

[@TheOriginalMomos]

Oh yeah! I was about to buy it until I saw what kind of game it was. Not really a bad one, but seems like the good side is a lot stronger that the bad guy.

[@RoseKindred]

There was a lot of hype on CMON (Cool mini or not) with that game, and I was interested in it. I felt it was a niche game for miniature gamers that want a OP anime style dungeon crawl. And the pieces could be used for other games (like familiars or weapon holders, etc). When compared to other miniature games (that require assembly and such) it is fair priced (which is a bad thing for the cost of other games)

[@TheOriginalMomos]

RoseKindred Agreed that for the price it's pretty nice, but the game seems unbalanced and that's sad.

[@MassEffectFan113]

Dear Lord... Sam's #10 could be an entire show in itself...

[@jherrenor]

Top 10 Affordable Games. (like won't break your bank account) Top 10 Simple Games. (easy to learn but really fun. good without being brainless. no longwinded rules, no 50 bits of tokens, no dozen sets of items etc)

[@FrankConradie]

This video ranks at around #3 in my most disappointing videos list.

[@Sweetestsadist]

Disappointing games for me: Tannhauser - Great theme. Bland design with convoluted math on checks. Small World Underground - Tried to fix what isn't broken. Unbalanced abilities. They did correct the "Sorcerer" ability to it's proper tribe, vampires (vampiric) Munchkin Quest - Yes, I like Munchkin. It's a good filler for light play moments. Munchkin Quest takes away that lightness. Everything added to the game highlights the flaws of Munchkin. DC Deckbuilding - If you like this; you're wrong.

[@brettski34]

eclipse has VERY similar components to Galactic Emperor (which I own). Is it a reprint?

[@yuffie0007]

We love a Touch of Evil. We never play it coop, but when you play it competitive it has great pacing.

[@vanyaserra1]

See we never play it single only coop. Too much Munchkin type plays happen when you play competitive. Drains all the fun.

[@ikesteroma]

My thoughts on Kingdom Builder: I read the intro to the game on BGG and thought to myself that it looks cool. I took time to read the rulebook and it didn't take me long to realize that the game is lame. I never bought a copy and Sam confirms that I made the right decision.

[@MrRetroGnome]

Tom's description of that one game at about the 33:45 mark was absolutely priceless.

[@cinfulgentleman]

BOO on Zombicide! We love playing it. Granted it took some serious house rules to fix the game, but we LOVE killing masses of zombies!

[@Rashman101]

Zee, You clearly played with the wrong group. Junta (classic from 1978) is amazing. Part of the game is getting into the roles and having fun. It doesn't take itself seriously. Respectfully, find some experienced players and give it another chance.

[@DriveThruReview]

Man... I was losing my cookies when Sam and Tom were talking about Battles of Westeros!

[@devlinallen3110]

I think mine would include Cheaty Mages, Face Eater, and the Pathfinder card thingy. Cheaty Mages I picked up on a whim seeing it was from the creator of Love Letter. "Oh cool, another cheap light game I can bust out when going out to eat and stuff." Except it's actually a lot more involved, and really chance based. Like, yeah there's strategy involved in when to play cards and who to bet on and shit, but I never felt like what I did really mattered. At one point I bet on Skeleton and we had the judge who allowed anything, so we were loading him up with negative effects (Skeleton reverses all buffs on him), then somebody played a card to change him into another fighter. Which admittedly some might view as an epic moment, but personally it just felt kinda dumb. Especially since one of the other players had dispel magic in hand, but the rules of the game pretty much forbids player interaction, so countering it was not an allowed action. Plus it feels like too often people will be able to guess your game plan well enough to fuck it up even if some of the cards are played face down. Face Eater I might actually enjoy, except they made zero effort to explain the rules. Apparently it's basically an expansion pack for Gin Rummy, but having never played that game, I was disappointed they didn't even have the courtesy of a header saying "I don't feel like explaining all this stuff, so go learn how to play Gin Rummy, then reconvene here." And Pathfinder my friend and I went halvsies on thinking "Oh Cool, it'll be like D&D without needing a DM." Which, it kind of was, but basically took all the mechanical aspects of the game and sucked the soul out of it. "Draw some cards, roll some dice, YOU WIN!"

[@Pilotstu]

I loved Zee's rant about kingdom builder!!! I haven't laughed that hard in awhile! Hilarious!! :D

[@dmcd7619]

Pilotstu I loved that rant of his too. :) Zee's the best!

[@ghostblainetcg]

I'm losing my cookies over saying "losing my cookies". That's hysterical!

[@grammyweiner]

Epic fart! @ 10:30 Great video. I was really dissappointed with Firefly.

[@LORDJAVI131]

hey guys, im getting into the tabletop gaming scene and I was wondering if you guys could do a top 10 gateway or intro to gaming post. thnaks!

[@mischa1984]

I hav eto agree on Agricola. When I first played it a few times with my family I was so excited... I even got my own copy although my sister had one. I was planning on buying cool looking meeples because I thought I would be playing that a lot... then I played a few games in the non-familiy-mode and was upset: Instead of giving more options you often had less points at the end since your choices simply did not bring you far. Yes you had some nice "tools", and "jobs" but it did not at all make the life of your farmers easier. I guess you can make some pretty cool combinations but actually I couldn't bring anyone to play the harder decks with me so... It sits on the shelf and look nice.

[@scotthix2926]

My worst was "Worst Case Scenario". i was thinking you were to get your character to escape these different situations and earn points to win. It is a learning/trivia game. If X (You get bitten by snake) happens to then you guess A. B. or C. actions to survive.

[@MrRutty1984]

I think you guy's should do a Top 10 games for 2 players. You guys put out informative and hilarious videos, good job.

[@Nain1982]

KG is a great game. It is elegant, simple but with a lot of depth. The expansions even make this game even better.

[@chanm01]

Probably one of the funniest dicetower top 10 lists. Thanks guys!

[@Killer62Joe]

My number 1 disappointing game? Terraforming Mars :(

[@TonyHulk]

Love how they say this game sucks! ...and link in video, you can pick it up here LOL

[@dabearz27]

I liked this top 10...a lot of games we don't normally hear about. And I have to give props to Zee for mentioning Merchant of Venus. I tried the game on Eric's recommendation as well, and had the exact same conclusions about it. Here's my top 10: 10 - Food Fight 9 - Darkest Night 8 - Dungeon Lords 7 - Call of Cthulhu LCG 6 - Tide of Iron 5 - K2 4 - Merchant of Venus 3 - Galaxy Trucker 2 - Merchants and Marauders 1 - Star Trek Fleet Captains

[@davidlhsl]

Great topic, and another fun Top 10. My pick would probably be Tales of the Arabian Nights. I love random, and I used to buy a lot of Choose Your Own Adventure books. But my first and only run of this really dragged and wore out its welcome for me pretty quickly.

[@EyalItsik]

Zee, did you try the newer rule set of MoV? Eric said it's different from the old rules, maybe you'll like the new version better

[@armandolizarraga8981]

omg, Zee was awesome at 54:25, really good laugh!

[@GrandElemental]

Yeah, he has his Big Moment in many of these videos, and they never fail to crack me up! =D

[@SuperDachshund]

Heh. "I POWNED you!"

[@GordonGaz]

Favorited part, normalising the fun in the room after opening the wrapping

[@Nubil8r]

When Tom does that movie presenter imitation, he nails it surprisingly that's the highlight of this video hilarious @ 56:45

[@johnr8095]

Totally agree with Lock N Load's rule book. Maybe its how the rules are laid out, but I tried learning it ten times and then times I got about a page in and gave up. It might e a good game, but if it is I think someone would have to teach me rather than try to learn it through reading the rules.

[@samiamagaimagain]

I know this statement will get a lot of hate because it's such a popular game, but... Number 1 disappointing game for me was Ticket to Ride. I hate that game! ...and I usually win... but it is just so boring.

[@facepalmjesus1608]

ticket to ride sucks because is a pure family game

[@luiscarlosqg]

I like to play it with my family and with my friends.

[@PerKeltMusic]

Great as always. Just I'd like to ask for one slight detail improvement... Could Sam (as much as I love him the most) explain better his opinions? His point about Lock 'n Load (too complicated rules) I got at the end. But why he was disappointed with the Battles of Westeros? No idea, no hint...

[@JChalant]

I neither liked nor disliked this video. You guys are great, the list was 'meh' for me this time. Leaving a comment to support the show's advertising numbers!

[@gaozhi2007]

TI3 is my favorite game. Eclipse is not TI3. It's still an amazing game, though.

[@conorleyden9201]

Is TI4 your favourite game now? Or still TI3?

[@gaozhi2007]

@@conorleyden9201 Still TI3. I have TI4 but I never even unboxed it lol. Not a fan of the new digital art, don't like the changes to the ship designs, don't like the design of the chips and tokens like the reserve fighters and soldiers chits. Mechanicswise, I haven't actually played it so I am not sure, but from what I could tell they only made minor tweaks.

[@KAM1138a]

YAY Sam for Dinging Zombiecide: This is a shining example of the Super-hype that Cool Mini or not is able to create on Kickstarter (consistently). Think the setup is good, and I love that there are different (distinct) characters, but other than that...falls short.

[@lgoldberg88]

Sam's comment on Battle Cry... it's an amazing thing just to get a game like that reprinted "at all". I think his expectations were off. There was nothing wrong with Battle Cry to fix, as far as I know.

[@urzathehappy72]

he just wanted somethin extra

[@BathTubNZ]

"What's he building in there? A Game? No." hahahaha.

[@Caratacus1]

Agreed! We now have a lot of co-op games in our group and at a straw poll last week everyone (man or woman, younger or older) said that Zombicide was their favorite co-op game of any genre. For a guy that bangs on about theme I really don't understand the hate. Zombicide drips with theme, swarms of closing in, heroic self sacrifices etc. I know he's complained about the shooting into a melee rule before and tbh think that this is just a hangover from that.

[@tomvg87]

I want to play a game with deflating Zee now! Ow... ow.... ow....

[@cooltube2000]

Slammin' Sammy, Turbo Tom and the Zee Man.

[@amuppet6678]

Funny quote "Negative a hundred times as fun."

[@GameToppers]

I just played Rum and Pirates. My buddy got it at Gen Con for 9 bucks the last day. We played a 5 player game and had a blast. Best 9 bucks I never spent.. But Zeeeeeeeee , Mov. It's awesome. Two versions, great pieces, you can even play solitaire . But number one most disappointing game Kingdom Builder. Okay it's not the worlds best, but its fun and easy to teach. Why all the hate Zee. Did this designer pee in your coffee? What is it Zee? Okay we feel better now. Great fun guys thanks!

[@fiz52]

Oddly enough. Ninja the legend of the scorpion clan was almost universally trashed by us in play testing. We repeatedly told them the game was bad and had serious flaws. No matter what we did to try and tell them this game would not sell they just wouldn't listen.

[@urzathehappy72]

play testin sounds awesome even if the games bad at least u can tell em. thas wat happens wen they dont listen to play testsers

[@MrSlade2814]

My disappointing board game was cosmic encounters! I saw a lot of praise for it and it is great to have that many alien characters to chose from. Played it with my friends and it just bomb. Everyone was like "why did you buy this?" I was just crush and we tried a few times more but could not get into it.

[@3Minotaur3]

Zombicide... The game I Homemade ruled the most since original Risk...

[@Gamingnight]

betrayal at house on the hill reprint did fix things change the clips for the stats fixed the underground lake and has a couple new haunts. i was glad to get the game since the original was out of print.

[@MrRadialdrift]

Merchants and Marauders - To long and there is no point being a pirate if you want to win Lords of waterdeep - 2 hours of collecting cubes for no real reason

[@JayChampagne]

I'm inclined to agree about Lost Cities being disappointing. The game gets so much hype, but there's so little there. It's an abstract game about counting that tries to trick you into thinking it's about exploration and adventuring with its title.

[@ggrant1189]

Concurring in part, dissenting in part. First off, thank you, Thank You, THANK YOU for calling out Agricola! One of my best friends loves this game, and I swear, if he wasn't one of my best friends, I would NEVER play it again. However, I thought Settlers: Trails To Rails was very good. Not my favorite board game, but it's still in our rotation and no one groans when we decide to play it. Lastly, thanks for the heads-up on Cargo Noir. It keeps singing to me from the shelf at Little Shop of Magic, and now I know I've been correct to resist its siren call. One last thing: TOM--quit interrupting Zee and Sam! It's rude. :)

[@WanderingKumquat]

ZOMBICIDE IS BEAUTIFUL

[@trueimperfection]

I'm actaully quite glad Gipf is on here. I was really hyped when I heard about that series, and I found Gipf such a disappointment that I never played any of the others. Now I might have a look at Tzaar and Yinsh. Thanks guys. :-)

[@sebastienzander5593]

I didn't really come across Kingdom Builder since I knew I wouldn't enjoy it. I finally saw the TableTop episode and I can really see what you mean. It's not a hand of cards, it's a card (why can't you see it before your turn?). The board is dull and I thought flowers were gravel. If I understand it right, you are being told where to go and laying down a line of houses every turn? It seems tactical at best.

[@jenius00]

Lol Roll for lemons

[@evandrot.i.639]

Keep going, Dice Tower! From your brazilian fan. Thanks, guys!

[@dorpth]

Last Night on Earth- Fantastic production values (soundtrack CD!) and visual presentation, hilarious at first with the cards. Then you quickly realize how frustrating and entirely luck based the mechanics are and never want to play it again. Zombicide- All those cool miniatures! Mowing hordes of zombies down! Then you realize how dumb and poorly designed it is with rules that arbitrarily force you to game the system. Twilight Imperium- HOW COULD THIS NOT BE THE BEST GAME EVER! Look at all that plastic shit! Star Wars epic space empires meets Dune sci-fi politicking? Yes!....No! It's a complete imbalanced mess of a 6-10 hour game. But the premise is so promising that people are constantly coming up with laundry lists of house rules to make it into a decent game. None have succeeded. All Warhammer games- You spend hundreds, if not thousands of dollars and as many hours painting to slowly amass armies over months and years, only to finally realize that the actual game is clunky crap. But at that point you're already in too deep and spend years in denial that the game stinks. All "Host a Murder Mystery" games- You think you're going to have a night of fun with props, hammy acting, and intrigue. Then you realize how terribly written they all are and how obvious the murderer is (hint: it's always the character it tries to draw the least attention to).

[@scottc8115]

Kingdom Builder is a lot more interesting if you play the variant where you control 2 colours and you score each separately. highest of the lowest scoring colour wins.

[@MrMountie11]

What's the card in Battle Cry that Tom has a problem with?

[@TheBrokenMeeple]

Yes a Kingdom Builder hater at No 1 as well as Eclipse!! :D Yes, I agree with 99% of this list, well done guys . . . . . as for the 1% - I'm sorry but I'm an Agricola lover as well! :-)

[@ironballistics]

Roll for lemons! Makes me think of what Cave Johnson said about lemons...

[@RavensbladeDX]

The moment I saw the title for this Top Ten I thought, "Jimmies shall be rustled!" Slamming Sammy strikes again! Haha!

[@wayn0r]

I've never NOT had fun playing Cargo Noir with my friends.

[@delphiote9652]

Betrayal did update the game with the reprint. The components were absolute garbage, but they added more scenarios and corrected a lot of the typos. Did I miss something?