Top 10 Lore Characters That Deserved More Screen Time in World of Warcraft

[@artr0x93]

I'm calling it now... Gunther Arcanus at every spot in the list

[@MrGoesBoom]

heh, people have been wanting more of him pretty much since game launch

[@Crownsnek]

damnit beat me to the punch

[@josejuanandrade4439]

I believe is spelled Gun-Ther Arc-Anus... you are welcome.

[@Hagersen]

@@FreedomAndPeaceOnly i miss the times were people played horde because of the story and well written characters and not oversimping for elves

[@Solkerr]

Nah Hiru said he would stop putting him on lists

[@Tempest-jc3me]

A follow up to this should be "Top ten characters we should have met in Shadowlands". Blizzard started that train with Vashj, Drakka, Uther, and Kael'thas, but it feels like they totally forgot just how many characters have died over the years. We could have had Tiffan Wrynn in Bastion help us free Anduin, Tharissan in Maldraxxus apologize for his work in freeing Ragnaros, Valstann Staghelm dealing with his dads sins in Ardenweald, and Benedictus being one of the souls we confront in Revendreth. Hell, its would have been amazing if we had Gul'dan help us sneak around the Maw instead of Ve'nari. Worse still is Blizz is totally going to write their absence off as "there are infinity realms in the Shadowlands their souls could exist in". I honestly could care less about what kind of lore blunders Blizz did with Shadowlands, but I really hate missed potential in a situation like this

[@DIEGhostfish]

I didn't like demystifying the afterlife anyhow. I still lean on the idea it looks like it does because our characters' memories are influencing how we see things. Rather than stealing cresit for the Nerubian based scourge architecture and giving it to Maldraxus or whatever, we see Scourge architecture because that's what our not truly dead minds can comprehend.

[@LordProteus]

I want to see Ner'zul, now free from the Jailer, become the new Lord of Torghast and start locating, bringing together and reviving the dead characters to face some great threat.

[@Sodys_eyy]

Well that would be pretty boring if every character that died would apear in shadowlands

[@devinjohnson3913]

Flavor text from Reliquary Seeker, “The Reliquary considers itself the equal of the League of Explorers. The League of Explorers doesn't.”

[@moscanaveia]

Of course they're not equals. The Explorers don't understand what they're digging out of the ground, the Reliquary truly appreciates the power of it.

[@devinjohnson3913]

Whatever you say less cool Explorers League.

[@Frostgnaw]

I miss having Broll as a bodyguard. "I'm awake... I'm awake."

[@sorrowday838]

You can go yolegion zones for achievement and he will always be there for you. But man now he hits like a truck, he one shot every mob there now

[@albram2247]

I was unironically expecting Gunther Arcanus lol

[@spookyplaguedoctor5714]

"Does anyone really know about Tae'thelan and the Reliquary?" Me, maining horde and loving archaeology: Other people don't know about him?

[@violetblues1768]

Well I know him but didn't know his background story. I thought he simply loves ordering people digging around.

[@moscanaveia]

@@violetblues1768 You can talk to him and learn a bit of his lore inside the Uldaman instance, I think. Maybe he stands outside too, but I can't recall, haven't run Badlands in a long time.

[@jsc1jake512]

Had no clue he or the Reliquary existed until I was levelling a toon in the Badlands as Horde and got curious about it

[@ShadowDawn]

I remember when I was first reading Vol'jin's book, wondering why there was some random human character. By the end, I wanted more Tyrathan and was so sad they never really did anything with him. (I was glad he showed up at the funeral, at least.)

[@4erographer]

I agree that Broll should've gotten more screen time. He's a fun character and I wish his relevance was extended beyond the novels.

[@TheZackofSpades]

He’s briefly given amusing dialogue in the Valeera Book o’ Heroes in Hearthstone…but it doesn’t go beyond like two chapters. He should be on the shortlist for Druid hero portraits at this point.

[@WoodsRunner]

Someone mentioned his hearthstone appearances, he also gets a small feature in the latter half of Malfurion’s book of heroes too. I would like to see him become an alternate druid hero, or at least be added as a card. Maybe along with some cool bear related cards, or emerald dream ones.

[@jsc1jake512]

He's basically reduced to a background character at this point

[@aspiringnormie9499]

Farondis was a great character.

[@moscanaveia]

His arc is complete though. I'd love to see a small RIP arc for him and his Court, they more than earned it.

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

While i agree, my personal pet peeve with his storyline is how hypocritical his retainers are. There was a quest, where you collect diaries documenting what happened and it is implied, that they exactly knew what happened. They hated him, because he put trust in one wrong person, who told Azshara everything. It was Azsharas decision to blow up the entire court, when she simply could punish just him instead.

[@moscanaveia]

@@aureliodeprimus8018 I don't think they knew. The thing is most Night Elves at the time of the war of the Ancients did not realise that Azshara was actually at the core of the Legion's invasions. They believed Farondis had betrayed them by virtue of betraying Azshara, and that her punishment of him was just, but they had just been caught by his actions and were completely blameless in it. I don't think his retainers fully realised the truth until the naga invaded Azsuna during Legion.

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

@@moscanaveia You have a point there. Considering my personal contempt against hypocrites in general i may have a bias here.

[@moscanaveia]

@@aureliodeprimus8018 Although, now that I think on it you also made a fair point. This is a thing that has bothered me a while. Night elves are peak hypocrite. For one, they refused for the longest time to accept Azshara was the source of the bad stuff happening in the War of the Ancients. I believe early on even Malfurion was willingly oblivious to that point. Then they decided that the Well of Eternity was to blame, and so was all arcane magic. That led to the Well's destruction and the Great Sundering. And when Illidan recreated the Well, Malfurion was pissed, branded him the Betrayer and ordered him imprisoned for all eternity. Then, he arguably couldn't destroy the second Well without risking the world's integrity, so he covered it up with the World Tree. Then, and after he banished the Highborne for refusing the ban on arcane magic, the night elves decided the Well of Eternity was OK so they spread the its waters in their Moonwells, and used its power anyways. Then, they pardoned all of the night elven Highborne from the Shen'dralar in the Cataclysm, but still did not punish Maiev for assassinating Kaldorei citizens when she went on a rampage the same way they punished Illidan for creating the source of magic the Night Elves themselves now used. Then, come Legion, when the world learns that the Suramar Highborne yet lived, and fell victim to the Legion but were fighting for freedom, Tyrande offers them help but only after she lords over how corrupt their magic was and how they were never different from the demons, ignoring the fact that it was the Suramar Highborne that devised the plan to use the Pillars of Creation to seal off the gate in the Temple of Elune during the War of the Ancients, saving the Kaldorei resisitance and allowing Malfurion his chance to even attempt to destroy the Well of Eternity. And Farondis had come to the conclusion that was necessary before it even occurred to Malfurion. After the War of the Ancients, while the exiled Highborne found a way to safely use arcane magic without damaging the barrier between worlds and causing the demons to spill into Azeroth, actively worked to make the world a better place (pushing the barbaric and cruel Amani into Zul Aman and letting the human communities to thrive, then teaching them magic and then setting up the Council of Tirisfal that fought the demons for 5000 years or so), the night elves frolicked in the forests and their "mighty druids, guardians of Azeroth" took a very long nap. Very long-winded, and quite off the topic, but I just wanted to get that rant out of my chest because I've been bothered by this for quite a while XD

[@moscanaveia]

Cmon, Hiru. It's not a shame that warlock-specific content can be experienced by warlocks alone. It's a shame that class-directed content does not exist outside of Legion.

[@yoremothra9838]

Well said.

[@RunehearthCL]

I love how mop added so many characters that were forgotten later lol

[@TheWieldofrost]

Prior to meeting Murmur, the Shadow Council was constantly attacking it, so lore-wise, we hadn't fought Murmur at it's peak.

[@counterfeitsaint7479]

"Broll is a very special Night Elven Druid, *born* with antlers" Broll's Mother: Why do I exist? Just to suffer?

[@brandondavidson4085]

Oh heck imagine if the Blizzard writers actually remember Lirath and bring him back in Shadowlands. He's Sylvanas' dead brother and the game takes place in the afterlife, come on.

[@LilianOrchard]

They're too obsessed with Anduin for that.

[@moscanaveia]

If Blizzard has to pay homage to every bub who ever died in this franchise, we'd be playing this well into 2035. Who cares about the obscure Windrunner brother what died in lore twenty years ago? Let them characterise Kael, Vashj and Alexandros decently, fuck the minor characters.

[@archvaldor]

@@moscanaveia Yeah I feel like Kael just hasn't been featured enough in wow....we've barely had a glimpse of him so far....

[@GarroshTV]

@@archvaldor especially with Jaina being in the Shadowlands and she still didnt meet Kael. Would love to see them talk Or Jaina and Uther For those who doesn‘t know Kael had a total crush on Jaina when they bith studied in Dalaran And Uther.. Ah fuck it, everyone knows Uther and Jaina were besties.

[@PrimarchRoboleonFrenchyman]

@@moscanaveia having a npc with a standard high elf saying few lines doesn't cost much, it's a world of warcraft, not an Avenger movie

[@mingelcoac]

I was confused the first time I reached Murmur all those years ago. I had no context, all I thought was that the local warlocks were trying to kill the local ragnaros but I did not understand what it was doing in a draenei toumb and I was kinda disappointed to see him killed just like that by a loosy team of adventurers.

[@ericzman]

I think #1 should no doubt have been Korialstrasz / Krasus. Yes, seen in-game, but criminally underused considering he is at the heart of the plot in like 5 WoW novels.

[@stickAran]

Hes dead. Died sligthly after the shattering

[@ericzman]

@@stickAran I'm aware, but he deserved more screen time, which was the prompt.

[@ZombieFighter95]

Well, that's just because he's an author avatar/self-insert type of thing.

[@catxborsuq1]

Murmur can't be a major villain, it has no mind. It would be boring. At best it can be a "living weapon" of a future major villain. Also it was weak after being contained for years by Shadow Council, which is why I think is why we killed it so easily. More importanty, character that deserves more screen time the most would be Krasus/Korialstrasz. Consort of Alexstrasza the Life-binder, fought in the War of the Ancients TWICE (he was doing Caverns of Times instances before they were a thing :P), helped establish both Quel'thalas and Dalaran, saved the latter from Sintharia, helped free the red dragons from the Old Horde's control, hid the Sunwell's power from the Scourge, stopped Sintharia and her "twilight dragons project", and had been alluded to helping save Azeroth a few other times as well. Then when the time came with Wrath of the Lich King for him to finally appear... we got him standing beside Alexstrasza and give out a few quests. Then he died in the novel early in Cataclysm :/ Hopefully with him being briefly mentioned in the Shadowlands, during the Night Fae campaign, we will see him again.

[@WikiHL]

Just sounds like a lot of excuses to justify the lore team not giving a singly flying fuck

[@4erographer]

Krasus is one of my top 5 favorite characters ngl. Would adore to see him more in game

[@TheAngelRaven]

The issue is that WoW is a game where the players matter more than anything. Unless a cinematic starts, then fuck the players, we gotta have Thrall killing Garrosh. Plus, Krasus was immensely powerful, so it would have been made into a pushover at times just to ensure p l o t. Would be nice if he did get a little bit of justice, though.

[@lucasaugsten]

Seeing as the villains with a mind end up just doing something generic anyway, a villain that is overwhelmingly powerful with no mind could actually be a breath of fresh air. While the conclusion would have to be some deus ex machina, until that point having a villain you can't actually hope to defeat and just have to survive and flee would be something very different, I think only The Lich King had some moments like this at some points during questlines and dungeons.

[@nordfald3740]

VaLEEra, the mixing on Alleria and Valeera got to me after the 20'th time.

[@TheLesoro]

The Reliquary also participated in the exploration of the Divine Bell during MoP if I remember 5.1 quest line right.

[@RazanaArcclaw]

So sad the amount of amazing charecters and creatures blizzard has made but refused to give the propper amount of screentime for.

[@bamma8821]

The truly sad part is that if they do give them proper screen time they will ruin them.

[@HavocHounds1988]

Kanrethad had Jubeka promise to banish him if he started to be overcome by the corruption of the Fel energy. Which is why she is there to do just that.

[@oxilef8471]

Fun fact, "Murmur" is simply the french worde "Murmure" without the E. "Murmure"'s definition is a "quiet continuous sound of human voices." Which fits perfectly into the team of a sound elemental being able to destroy planets with his whispers.

[@Sanguivore]

“Murmur” itself is also an English word with the same definition.

[@oxilef8471]

@@Sanguivore I didn't know that, when i googled "Murmur" it only gave me results for a heart sickness

[@Sanguivore]

@@oxilef8471 Yeah, it’s become a relatively obscure word these days. In fact, the heart condition is probably the only context it’s ever used in anymore.

[@oxilef8471]

@@Sanguivore The word is used a lot more in french, i didnt know that it was a english word too, guess i learn something every day ! I still think its a really cool name for a sound elemental this powerful.

[@Sanguivore]

@@oxilef8471 I agree with you completely, friend!

[@broxim9668]

Broll and Valeera as well as Rhegar need to show up together more often. The Night Elves also have many other characters that need screentime such as Lyalia from Krasarang.

[@wowplayer105]

Wish we could’ve have seen Broxxigar in WoD.

[@MagusFlorren]

I loved this one so much!! I remember the first time I encountered Murmur in mid TBC. Pushing through the trash mobs that were getting blasted back by him, slowly making our way closer and getting ready for a big fight. One of my favorite dungeon encounters.

[@GhoulbreathEC]

LOVE Murmur... always glad to see him get some recognition

[@jsc1jake512]

Murmur is to this day one of my favorite lesser-known lore characters. Sometimes when I'm bored I read flavor texts for random dungeon/raid bosses so when I read Murmur's I thought it was pretty stupid that the ESSENCE OF SOUND (or at least a powerful sound elemental) was simply a dungeon boss.

[@autosadist]

stan murmur

[@guilhermecesar9185]

Besides Gunther Arcanus, someone I wish had some more screen time( or relevance) on was Arathor, the Redeemer. He's one introduced too on TBC as "the lost son of Turalyon and Alleria", the only half elf/half human on lore and potencial strong paladin that is a random npc on TCB and paladin follower on legion + random npc on comeback of their parents. On BFA, Alleria and Turalyon had some deeds, while Arathor begone forgotten again. Anyways, (Actvision)Blizzard is good on creating some great caracters that can do great things at same time they had their "15 minutes of fame".

[@hirumaredx]

oh yeah that is a really good one

[@fore54k3n]

I can recall doing the Court of Farondis rep, and it occurred that they may have him join in the fight with Azshara. He’s have like… almost the position of being a champion with other big namers in addition to the players when it came to taking her on or eliminating her lieutenants, captain type followers.

[@C4INE]

Prince Farondis will always be one of my fav questlines. Whenever I do the questline, I always tear up when he regains his honor after guards realize what he did so him and his people wouldn't bend the knee.

[@DustGamezX]

Same, also fun fact prince farondis has the same voice actor as saitama from the english dub in one punch man.

[@C4INE]

@@DustGamezX i havent seen anime in my life. But ive heard ppl talk about this one a lot lol

[@darthnihilus1572]

Kanrethad the TRUE Warlock, and..is right i mean, he can even force summon and control a pitlord until we take that control for urselves while Gul'dan "ask" for help from the Legion demon's. For Murmur he has a little cameo on WoD on Talador where some random guys are trying to summon it.

[@moscanaveia]

Well, Gul'dan effortlessly summoned three extremely powerful demons at once with his Hand of Gul'dan spell, in part because he did not need to bind them. Kanrethad needed complex rituals to summon and bind just one. It's no secret that big boy Gul'dan is peak warlock, do not do him dirty by saying Kanrethad is better.

[@darthnihilus1572]

@@moscanaveia The "problem" is that we dont really many "feats" by Gul'dan itself (probably just raising the Tomb by some ritual) because everytime he summon a demon was a "help request" for the Legion while Kanrethad would force them to be summoned and linked to his will.

[@karanze8217]

@@darthnihilus1572 I mean yeah, that's also because warlocks often aren't part of the legion. If you are, you're already bound by allegience there and don't need to forcefully command them.

[@sorrowday838]

I thought you were gonna mention Amber Kearnen one of the si:7 that helped in the rescue of anduin and a side quest in westfall. Her death in legion and mission was so important but no one knew she died. She is the reason why we knew mathias shaw was a dreadlord that was gonna burn stormwind from the inside and we rescued the real shaw in the process.

[@Sanguivore]

Man, I love Amber Kearnen. She’s such a cool character. EDIT: Oh, and let’s not forget she was also pretty heavily-featured in the early quests for Pandaria!

[@Evan-mt7bc]

While her story was kinda lame in it's conclusion we DID get to get see A (shitty) conclusion and even a followup in Shadowlands to this (If you're a Rogue who did the Order Hall campaign you can talk to a Spider monster named Kearnen the Blade outside of the House of Eyes ruins and tell her the message was delivered successfully) which is a LOT better than a ton of other characters got.

[@noodlespoo]

I'm glad that the Mary Sues from the books usually don't get more than a passing cameo or a small role here and there. WoW has enough of them already.

[@moscanaveia]

I agree. Nothing that can be done about the Mary Sue Prime, though. That being Malfurion.

[@robertlupa8273]

@@moscanaveia what about med'an

[@moscanaveia]

@@robertlupa8273 Malfurion has alaways been worse, to the point where blibsnarl wrote lore around his marysuic status.

[@moscanaveia]

@@robertlupa8273 And Med'an is non-canon

[@gijsprins5589]

I really like these videos. Your voice, the detail of story and history you make. It's great! Keep it up :)

[@Rexwar31]

Imagine if Varian had killed Vol’jin. Tyrathin just has to kill his own king lol.

[@nevereoftheblackharvest]

I'm a simple man, I just see someone talking about Kanrethad Ebonlocke and I smash the like button

[@ravendelacrux]

Being the belf my first charater ever created even before worgens or lately nightborne main, it touchs my heart disocvering the Reliquary is treated as a side old faction willing to help horde or their race with archaelogy, rather than exploited comedy Expeditionary League that still is fun, but feels like Indiana JOnes vs Nazis supersoldiers/archeo genius. Maybe we can see more or then in the enxt expansion covering dragons relics.

[@dog_knight]

Lirath gets some good coverage in the Sylvanas novel. Probably wasn’t out at the time of this video. But given he was dead before current WoW timeline, there isn’t much they could do with it I suppose.

[@G.A.N.]

Ah Vandel! the probably most important character in Flying buttress video series telling us what really is Illidan Book about!

[@DuilioGF]

I'm sorry Hiru but a top 10 isn't enough xD You need to make a series out of this. I was expecting Nazgrel to be in this list. I also think it's sad that neither Lothar nor Doomhammer appear in Shadowlands. I 100% agree on Murmur, though. It seemed like a super cool concept and we just deal with him in a dungeon xD

[@Local_Hobo]

It was just a fragment of Murmur they had in Shadow Labyrinth, that's why he only has like 10% of his health when you start the encounter

[@RazanaArcclaw]

nah its actually the full murmur, just weakened by the wards. backed up in chronicle volume 2 where they speak a bit about him, and never mention hes a fragment.

[@whistlerdan7718]

The Reliquary actually had a role in the Hearthstone Expansion, Saviors of Uldum... But they're treated like: "The Explorer's League and the League of E.V.I.L. are on a race to unearth the very tool to raise Galakrond back from the dead... Oh and uh... *reads smudge from paper* The Reliquary is also there..." You have a chance to encounter Belloc Brightblade as a boss in the adventure and can end your run if build your deck around a specific type You know for an expansion centered around evil people doing archeological digs and fighting dwarf Indiana Jones, I'm surprised that Rafaam didn't ally with the Reliquary...

[@thevoidborn7524]

I’m pretty sure tae’thalan is present in mists on the isle of thunder? Or at least some of the reliquary. Also they are in the cataclysm version of the blasted lands. And draenor as well, in ashran the reliquary is heading horde’s excavations there, and I think tae’thalan’s daughter is working with the Nightborne and the reliquary in zuldazar. I think there were some appearances of the reliquary in other parts of bfa too, like the archaeology trainer in dazar’alor

[@MidWitPride]

Murmur makes the funny train horn sound.

[@RazanaArcclaw]

yeah i told hiru to include some of murmur's sounds cause they are so fucking weird and funny, but he didnt!

[@shinydoubloon8237]

haha murmur go choo choo

[@galenkehler]

So glad you included murmur, when you learn about it you're like "what, this is just tucked in a random corner of Outland?"

[@oblivexx]

Gryan Stoutmantle I enjoyed serving under him during Vanilla and Cataclysm, it was surprise to see him in the Paladin Orderhall I thought he was more of a warrior class.

[@Sanguivore]

Yeah, I’d always thought he was a Warrior too. And always liked him and wanted to see more of him as well.

[@bradypus55]

I always had a personal theory that Lirath Windrunner should of been today's Forsaken representation instead of Calia Menethil. That is a character who would of have a different view of what being undead means in opposition to Sylvanas' views, even feeling alienated to his other sisters who loath the undead as they were alive during the scourge unlike him. Legion would of been a good introduction to bring him back even with a minor role, yes even back from the dead (like that matters for forsaken), and BFA would of been the right moment to show his opposition to Sylvanas. Instead, that role was given to Calia, a character that also barely had any lore mentions except in books where they were featured in the background somewhere but unlike Lirath has no connection to Sylvanas except that they are both undead.

[@sorrowday838]

The problem with that is that lirath have nothing to do with lordaeron that is the reason why they picked Calia. Calia is the queen/royal of lordaeron even undead respected her. Now i dont like they turned Calia into a light undead that literally have no sense if they want to do her a faction leader (also Jaina's brother) cuz she is friendly to alliance but for a dumb pvp thing is forcing her attack the alliance. I think Voss would be a better choice for it even if Voss hate being in the horde (her own words) because she hates humans more.

[@bradypus55]

@@sorrowday838 Sure that was true when WoW just started but now not all forsaken are even from lordaeron. Are the Gilneans? Are the elves from Quel'thalas? And then you got forsaken territories outside of Lordaeron as well. Should they all accept a queen pretty much imposed by non-forsaken people?

[@bradypus55]

@@sorrowday838 Also not so related but I thought that the lordaeron council was going to be a replacement for Sylvanas but it seems blizzard decided to off them in the beginning of BFA. Too bad, cause there are a lot of potential forsaken lore characters that could take the seats of those positions. Maybe even make each seats a different forsaken theme (apothecary, military, cult of shadow, navy, etc...)

[@sorrowday838]

@@bradypus55 no elves from lordaeron are part of forsaken maybe now nelfs from teldrassil( again odd they join them even they were the ones who kill them) and gilneans recognize Calia as a princess so their forsaken could also do it. Another good/bad could be the sylvannas doggo that aside sylvannas had lore and position to command but we killed him so gg. The huge problem with forsaken is that beside sylvanas we know no undead horde that could leader them

[@bradypus55]

@@sorrowday838 Then maybe they don't need a leader and should just follow a council system like the Horde is doing right now. Seems much more logical then a person who came out of nowhere till recently. I mean Calia has been undead for very much shorter then Sylvanas has been leader. Why would the forsaken now all of a sudden care about royal lineage? Seriously, how can Calia even continue the lineage as an undead?

[@a.r.t.8651]

i love this videos, great work hiru lirath's dead almost made alleria and turalyon split, she got obsessed by killing hordes and became cold, it wasn't until they went to draenor that she finally mourned and warmed up to turalyon again fter much fighting and khadgar working as a mediator XD, love those stories from the second war

[@AsprosOfAzeroth]

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[@stevensperanza109]

You missed the little Murmur rare encounter in Talador!

[@joshuadonnelly1978]

Maybe I missed it, but you skirted right over the fact that Murmur as he appears in TBC is a tiny, fragmented incarnation of his true being. That's how they justified us being able to beat him, because we were fighting him at less than 1% of his full power.

[@eclipsedbadger]

15:05 - I can't stop laughing, he just came over and YOINK, took Broll like a seagull flying away with a french fry, I...!

[@Ellthom]

There are many great characters from lore I'd like to see, like from the books, Like the Bloodsworn and Dark Riders comics.

[@Gcsmith12]

Given that the Explorers League act pretty neutral most of the time, they make more sense as the quest faction because they're not aiming to increase the Alliances power, but rather uncover history.

[@Contrib92]

You missed Murmur's small cameo in WoD

[@leonardoquickgyro12]

You forgot to mention the entirety of the Worgen

[@roninace213]

Bold of you to asume that this is the first time we hear about Vendel when our Boy Flying Buttress made great Vids on the Illidan Book

[@krableja2517]

Murmur was never confirmed to actually be this powerful tho, the lore about him is written by ingame characters, so the information could be false. And knowing blizzard it probably is, unless they intend to bring Murmur into the shadowlands to deal with the jailer or something xD

[@begone1934]

100% agree with Vandel. William King brought a maturity and grittiness to the Warcraft universe that other writers just can't hope to match. Christie Golden's Lich King novel read like it might as well have been taking place in a high school.

[@appleWhisky43]

Where's Gunther Arcanus, what have you done with the real Hiru!?

[@hamsterpaj111]

Forandis story is one of the best in wow

[@ems6706]

Broll sounds a lot like Fendral Staghelm in terms of backstory. I wonder if they put some of the plans for Fendral onto him after everybody hated Fendral.

[@Lizard1582]

Thanks, Raven from Patreon.

[@fallhayv8470]

Farondis's story's closure was pretty much him getting redeemed in the eyes of his people. It's decently done and finished, but they will never follow up on it. Why? Because it is too much of a local story, and they prefer doing epic battle moments with overepicness overload.

[@Daftanemone]

I think the bigger issue is that Farondis is another Night Elf character that should have been involved with Azshara raid but wasn’t. Still blows my mind how little the night elves were involved with that

[@dalec5200]

That was a really good topic let that guy choose another one.

[@AveGluteusMaximus]

At 3:19 you get 2 black bars cinema-style and NPC dialogue goes into a subtitle format. Looks fantastic! Is that an addon? If so, pls tell me which so I can get it

[@RazanaArcclaw]

immersion i think?

[@hirumaredx]

“Storyline” though I don’t think it’s updated anymore sadly

[@gracegregory7613]

My heart breaks that we didn't get to see Liam Greymane at all in Shadowlands. Gilneas and the Worgen have gotten such the shaft ever since they were introduced

[@peanutwars]

If you ever read the wow comics Broll Bearmantle is like a main character from the beginning! Def needs more screen time

[@TheZackofSpades]

If Gunther isn’t on this list a part of me will be devastated.

[@illiji915]

I'm downvoting and unsubscribing

[@TimeyWimey.]

Would like to see Medivh as a major character in the future, maybe whenever they do the war between the two major cosmic forces. Considering he is the person who's responsible for the events that kicked off this franchise Im surprised we didn't have more content about him in legion. Though now that I think about it, I have no idea if he's actually dead or not. I think you see his ghost in kharazan, but at the same time he doesn't seem dead in that one Warcraft cutscene.

[@frederickbaker5819]

You should do a video on top bosses based on a playable class. My personal choice would be for Jade Fire Masters, the battle of dazaralor mage-monk combo

[@holyboiamethin2790]

I think one character who deserved more screen time would be Dar’Khan Drathir. He was an old friend of Lor’themar and Liadrin, as well as a Magister. However he felt he was not getting the recognization he deserved from High Elven society. He also experimented with void magic and his discoveries eventually lead to the creation of the Void Elves. Dar’Khan is the one who let the Scourge into Quel’Thalas. He murdered the Convocation of Silvermoon (high ranking elves who ruled alongside the king) and took down the shield that was protecting the kingdom. He also died many times but kept coming back. It’s a shame that someone like him didn’t have much screen time during the Blood elves questline in Burning Crusade. He’s just a mini boss and you have to take his head to Lor’themar. When I first played Blood Elf, I had no clue who Dar’Khan was and why everyone seemed to hate him. Turned out he’s the reason Quel’Thalas and the elves got fucked up by Arthas.

[@WOWb13]

If Ner´Zul is not in this list, that made him the most hated and underrated character in all wow history Edit: Well, he wasn´t here either, Ner'Zul, in the old lore the first one to be contacted by the legion, master of Gul'Dan, in the new lore the one that didn't want to do the legion duties, the one that was so determined to not being another legion peon, open a lot of gates for a lot of worlds for the horde to conquest and live, the one that became the first Lish King, is nothing in vanilla, in BC, in WoLK, in Cata, in MoP, in WoD was just a dungeon boss, in Legion was just a memory, in BFA nothing, and now in shadowlands he is just a filler boss for the raid. Ner'Zul is the reason I started to learn about WoW lore, but he is just the most hated and underrated character in all wow history

[@Crownsnek]

to be honest he's not that interesting of a character, he's just *there* in Lich king Lore he's just a puppet of the legion who got bitch slapped by Arthas whilst they are both controlled by the Jailer, in WoD he dies in a random ass dungeon. Literally all he does is get fucked, the only noteworthy thing he did was warn durotan not to drink Mannoroths blood

[@WOWb13]

@@Crownsnek 11 years ago when I started learning of the lore, he was kinda big of a deal, the last warchief of the last horde, he was the master of Gul'dan and the legion originally had the deal with him, but Gul'dan were more easy to manipulate, he also was the lich king, in the Warcraft 3, he was THE Lich King, and at the wnd of the Frozen throne he was "one" with Arthas, but Blizz just ef him up, really hard with the things you said

[@moscanaveia]

Ner'zhul was the centerpiece of the entire expansion of Warcraft II, then was the point around which the entire WCIII plot and its expansion pivoted. That's not a character who needs additional screen time.

[@WOWb13]

@@moscanaveia well... you can say that about a lot of characters in wow, Sylvanas, turalyon, Jaina, Uther, Gul'dan, blackhand (main boss in that raid), khadgar, garona, thrall, Cho'gall, deathwing, kel'thuzad, and so on, and so on, Ner'zul is kinda big, but for wow he sucks, in wod he deserved better, and now he should be at least one quest giver, for god sake, he was in control of the jailer since the beginning of Warcraft lll, he should know something, but no, he is nothing

[@freefrag1910]

Vandel will come back to us teaching us the third spec. That would be super cool.

[@rockorock999]

Still LOVE this video for having vandel

[@grimyceilingtile]

Vandel! I spent all of Legion trying to find him, hoping he was out there somewhere, only to be disappointed by his appearance being so anticlimactic.

[@xiangchenduan1880]

What was the addon at 2:03?

[@Jordanmk27572]

You recently have been my fall asleep to these vids and figure out where I left off the next night guy

[@Jordanmk27572]

I love your vids

[@Pine2142]

Maybe I'm just salty but I'll never forgive Blizzard for the absolute bullshit death they gave to Saurfang. Such a badass OG character that was just snapped away.

[@sirrgremory7428]

Whats the name of the add on that changes the UI of quests?

[@draphking]

"Murmur is kind of a push over" Granted Murmur starts the encounter at half health because the Shadow Council forces had basically been beating on it and holding it back before you arrive. At full health he would have rivaled a raid boss.

[@sussudio5210]

Why do you say Sylvanas was "partially responsible" for Vol'jin dying? She had nothing to do with the Burning Legion's invasion at all.

[@BakiNorthStar]

Considering how many cool characters there are in Warcraft lore, it feels like the content creators handle things like hollyweird directors and writers sometimes when it comes to video game movie adaptations and just do what they want, not what they know will make fans truly happy.

[@Barvyon]

in WoD, Murmur was being summoned on purpose, but we interrupted the process, meaning, the rogue group of Shadow council members, infiltrated Auch and used the ritual to "accidently" summon him, but since we interrupt the ritual before they could do this, Teron'gor succeeds in what he was doing.

[@cosmicwonderer6269]

Reads title: "#1 is probably Gunther because he's so badass."

[@milankukic6411]

SI7 also get all the love, but what about the shattered hand or the death stalkers?

[@Berndwilhelm-WH]

Funny my friend made his first WoW Character in vanilla it was a Human Warlock named Dyne. He wanted to give him a last name and went with Ebonlock after liking the lore in Duskwood.and wrote a back story for him. Years later almost same thing happened in actual WoW...

[@jsc1jake512]

Vandel is also in Mardum, the Shattered Abyss which is the Demon Hunter starting area. It's been a while since I levelled a DH so I can't say for sure but I'm pretty sure he just sits there, doesn't even give quests.

[@aonirsplayground6224]

Considering the amount of WoW lore I'm amazed we don't have single player RPG's that start way back with the lore, and have countless spin offs like the ethereals home world, and so forth, the lore is sooooooo rich and its in the hands of a company that sucks so hard on its tit that its basically vaccuum sealing its own fate to oblivion... Shame... hopefully i'll see the current activision blizzard die off and patent expire and in 50 years see something new arise from its ashes.

[@golhandincmen]

Nice choice of music

[@Xardian7]

For what I remember of TBC what players fight into the SL is a projection of Mur Mur onto Azeroth cause the summoning was interrupted. So technically it’s alive and the players just return the projection to its dimension, similar to Ragnaros in Vanilla. This is also underlined bu the fact that Mur Mur life starts at 40% so it’s in a weakened state.

[@nukemdukem1]

Im really disappointed with how they treated Orgrim Doomhammer in WoD. What an absolute shame.

[@cabradabra]

i am suddenly imagining a major update or something with a storyline focused on the reliquary + the league of explorers? that could be so cool

[@spacemedjay4205]

Correct me if I’m wrong. But I don’t remember Sylvanas playing a role in Vol’Jin’s death.

[@Lu-tq3sk]

hey, I’ll elaborate on this, but be warned that this comment does contain a lot of spoilers for Shadowlands (and a small bit of Legion) so if you haven’t played it or don’t want spoilers don’t read on. Sylvanas, secretly being an ally of the Jailer was also an ally with Mueh’zala. The being who whispered Vol’jin to make Sylvanas warchief was Mueh’zala. The Jailer and his forces wanted Sylvanas to become warchief because the influx of souls post-Ysera’s death (when the Arbiter “broke”) during Legion (the expansion) would be sent to the Maw, giving the Jailer more power (because souls bear anima) so he could break out of his prison (that is the Maw). So in a sense, this does make Sylvanas indirectly a cause for his death, even if in the physical realm she didn’t really do anything to him. Edit: if this still doesn’t make sense, Sylvanas being warchief was key to the Jailer breaking free because while she was on a killing spree (i.e.: Teldrassil) souls were just being funneled into the Maw since the Arbiter “broke” or whatever. I can’t really say for sure if Mueh’zala influenced Vol’jin’s death but the alliance with the Jailer is directly the reason Sylvanas became warchief.

[@spacemedjay4205]

@@Lu-tq3sk Thank you very much for the explanation. Believe me, I'm not trying to say you're wrong, I'm just... "thinking with you" if you'd say. "The influx" of souls happened after Sylvanas was made Warchief, which would maybe suggest that the Jailer and Mueh'zala weren't planing for Vol'Jin's death; instead they took it as an opportunity to put Sylvanas in a position of power just in case something happen in future. The decision to size an opportunity would state that a person didn't know or plan an outcome. Of course, this would be incorrect if the Jailer and Mueh'zala were behind Xavious's actions, and that the jailer knew the effect that a dead-corrupt Ysera would have on the Arbiter. Although I still played through legion and I remember the battle on the broken isles, I don't remember Sylvanas trying to trick Vol'Jin into being stabbed. I believe their plan formed after Vol'Jin got stabbed and his fate was sealed. Unless his wound wasn't fatal, but Mueh'zala used it to poison him or something.

[@moscanaveia]

@@spacemedjay4205 Yeah, Mueh'zala and the Jailer simply seized the moment. Which hollows out the whole impact that VJ's friend might have had. You could consider him wanting revenge for destroying Vol'jin's legacy as warchief with her warmongering, that plotline would still be better suited for Horde-aligned characters and not an out-of-place Alliance insert.

[@Lu-tq3sk]

@@spacemedjay4205 ah sorry, didn’t see this reply. I agree though, I feel like it was more of a seized opportunity than a planned thing, and (not to discredit Hiru or anything) personally I would not have stated that “Sylvanas was indirectly the cause of Vol’jin’s death”-because there is no evidence that there were intentionally pulled strings by the Jailer and/or his allies. (going off of what I know, unless I missed something.) Maybe 9.1 will help lol

[@ilbertipt]

"mind" gif, so amazing!!!

[@MrTron2008]

Because you said "Who would of thought people would prefer a dwarf over a blood elf" is why I prefer a dwarf over a blood elf.

[@tylermcintyre681]

I LOVE the irony that Feroandis ...Ghosted Us since BFA launched

[@jcmahrt5100]

Technically Murmur was not fully summoned, which is why we were able to survive while fighting it.

[@RazanaArcclaw]

nah he was fully summoned, as is chronicle chapter 2.

[@jcmahrt5100]

@@RazanaArcclaw What I meant is that it didn't fully emerge, cause we would've been one shotted if it were fully emerged, not to mention that the guy has only half of his total health pool from which we start attacking him.

[@RazanaArcclaw]

@@jcmahrt5100 You say that, but lore wise he is legit fully emerged... its lame. The lower health thing is because they have been weakening him. but even weakened its lame 5 random nobodies n leveling greens can kill him.

[@jcmahrt5100]

@@RazanaArcclaw And yet, volume II doesn't actually say that he was fully summoned, just summoned and when he arrived his destructive energy poored out of auchindoun, which is used to contain spirits of the draenei dead, and Murmur's dungeon journal entry says that Murmur didn't fully emerge, and if the warlocks were capable of weakening him then he didn't fully emerge.

[@RazanaArcclaw]

@@jcmahrt5100 and yet it doesent say "a fragment" So if it says "they summoned murmur" that implies him fully, trying to take that and turn it into "they only summoned a fragment" is incorrect.

[@johnstrickland7310]

Tyrithan is actually one of the best archers ever according to Vol"jin. Horde and alliance included.

[@prehistoricplayer1132]

The lack of Teron Gorefiend disappoints me...

[@RazanaArcclaw]

He did get a questline, and a raid fight in TBC Then in WoD he got multiple questlines, a dungeon, and a raid fight.

[@prehistoricplayer1132]

@@RazanaArcclaw His questline I loved and his fight in BT was one of my favorite raid fights of that expansion. I despise the way they used him In WoD, His main universe self is way more awesome than his Alternate self (yuck...)

[@HavocHounds1988]

@@prehistoricplayer1132 What was wrong with his AU version. He always was an Orc Warlock, just in the main universe he was killed and his soulstone was placed into a truncheon which was placed in the hand of a fallen Stormwind footmen and that is what led to him becoming the first Death Knight.

[@prehistoricplayer1132]

@@HavocHounds1988 Trust me I know Gorefiends past. (Hes my favorite Warcraft Character of all time.) His AU version becomes that giant fat soul eating Jabba The Hutt version. (Which IMO the Main universe version is way more badass.)

[@RazanaArcclaw]

@@prehistoricplayer1132 becoming an extremely powerful demon that consumes thousands of souls is less badass then a random orc shoved in a humans body? ehhhhhhhhh

[@rxvh_vs0402]

love when you post