Top 10 Most Frustrating Nintendo Games Ever

Nintendo is known for being family friendly, but these games are mean to the point of enragement. For this list, we’ll be looking at games from Nintendo’s long line of consoles that made us want to rip our hair out in frustration. Our countdown includes “F-Zero GX” (2003), “Ghosts ‘n Goblins” (1985), “Jet Force Gemini” (1999), and more! Have you beaten any of these games? What’s your pick for the most punishing Nintendo game? Be sure to let us know in the comments below.
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[@WatchMojo]

What’s your pick for the most punishing Nintendo game? Be sure to let us know in the comments below. Head over to MojoPlays for more gaming videos -> wmojo.com/mojoplays-subscribe

[@marcusyates3044]

Donkey Kong VS Yoshi! The Better Spin-off

[@marcusyates3044]

Ghouls 'n' Goblins VS Darkstalkers!

[@devingiles6597]

Super Ghouls 'n' Ghosts

[@nighatkhan7388]

How is your message 1 hour ago when the video was posted 10 minutes ago

[@keynanmartinez]

Octo Expansion.

[@AndersonTenecela]

Seeing Donkey Kong Country tropical freeze on the list brings back memories and seeing Battletoads on number 1 shows the amazing talent Rareware had in the day

[@mikeawesome9212]

Yo Mama's nips and pubical hairs.

[@erainmartinez8175]

tell me about it

[@sameeknowsitall]

@@erainmartinez8175 the game was extremely fun and had so many collectibles so that you don’t get bored. It also has amazing boss fights. But the last island is way to hard. I had to use so many power ups for the final boss

[@erainmartinez8175]

@@sameeknowsitall Still totally worth it

[@TheTaskmaster]

Maybe not enough play testers

[@Thesp13]

Battle Toads made me learn what rage was as a kid

[@Geolaw1]

I needed a game genie to beat it

[@WhiteFangofWar]

Anyone who hasn't watched The Runaway Guys' race of it should. It's what got me into KZbin.

[@jrich5795]

Battletoads was a game on Nintendo, but it is not a Nintendo Game. This list is stupid

[@toddpacker4683]

@@jrich5795 you’re being pedantic

[@reycubantv]

Bruh

[@JDoomhauer87]

Super Mario World 2: Yoshi’s Island. - Baby Mario crying. That’s all you need to know.

[@user-em6ie2be7x]

Super Mario Sunshine is by far one of Mario's Hardest Games. Especially The Levels when Fludd gets taken from you.

[@mattiasolsson1523]

Second to Lost world back in the NES console.

[@deondraemcknight232]

Hated those levels

[@TheBlackSamurai2708]

It’s the hardest 3D mario but the lost levels and Mario world 2 are harder

[@konkeydong9048]

Lol sunshine was easy

[@redring4083]

How is there not a single mention of Contra?

[@zachtwilightwindwaker596]

There is code making the game easier.

[@FrancistheBrave]

I was thinking the same thing lol

[@TheShachattack13]

How is Mike Tyson’s punch out not on the list? Hands down the most frustrating final boss in Nintendo history

[@FrancistheBrave]

I know right 🙃

[@gachalifetoonstudios1377]

Mr dream?

[@megamanj2004X]

He isn’t that hard once you figure his patterns out. The thing that makes Mike Tyson/Mr. Dream difficult was his feints/fake outs that’ll throw you timing off.

[@dvkgaming5863]

Donkey Country Returns and DK Freeze made me want to hurt someone

[@christianparrish3292]

I know the feeling. I hate hard games.

[@mikeawesome9212]

@@christianparrish3292 Your problem is you hate a challenge. Probably not going to be good for you in life since you won't EVER overcome anything you find challenging or even try to do anything that's challenging. You'll just give up on EVERYTHING you think is a tiny bit difficult.

[@christianparrish3292]

@@mikeawesome9212 if only you were in my shoes.

[@dvkgaming5863]

@@christianparrish3292 dude the rocket levels were the worse the timing had to be PERFECT

[@yothatscrash3092]

@@mikeawesome9212you said all of that for no reason 🤣 it’s a game bro chill out. Having a hard video game has nothing to do with real life situations.

[@zachtwilightwindwaker596]

Thanks for reminding me that I should get the Switch version DKC Tropical Freeze. I'm surprised Zelda 2 isn't on here.

[@zachtwilightwindwaker596]

something something random comment...

[@chesspunk489]

Zelda 2 is harder than every game on this list besides Battletoads.

[@zachtwilightwindwaker596]

@@chesspunk489 I had to mod in an easy mode to even finish it and I still relied on save states.

[@chesspunk489]

@@zachtwilightwindwaker596 I just used save states. That is one game that I wouldn't want to play without them.

[@thesmellofadventure5370]

How did The Lost Levels not make it to number 1 let alone make it onto this list?

[@richardperaza5083]

I don't know

[@manpower386ify]

Probably because it was released only in Japan.

[@newageBoundhippie]

@@manpower386ify the original version yes, but we DID get the game via Super Mario All-Stars, Super Mario Bros DX and the Wii Virtual Console ( I think it's also on NSO )

[@metashade4218]

Mario 2 Lost Levels deserves to be in this fucking list

[@lorenzopignagnoli2268]

You mean the Lost levels

[@jabberwock6]

it's lost levels in America while in japan it's super mario bros 2

[@KRS2000]

To me, it is the real Super Mario Bros 2. The one we got in '88 was a different game. It's still fun, though.

[@mattiasolsson1523]

Indeed.

[@lorenzopignagnoli2268]

@@KRS2000 or maybe that was the true super Mario Bros. game in developer mind, yet too hard to bring for novice players so they made with the original in US without put on sell the sequel on american market but a different game (called Doki Doki Panic in Japan) with the same characters adapted After super Mario Bros. Success. Those things they wont go ever to reveal.

[@neilhodge1187]

Nice to see F-Zero GX on the list. Absolutely loved that game but man is it brutal. Had to practise some of the later tracks 30+ plus times before I could achieve a successful 1st lap without going off the track.

[@FFP_BF2]

Splatoon 2’s Octo Expansion had some easy levels, some tough levels, and some utterly brutal levels. Also, have fun trying to get 100%. Have backup controllers, cuz you’re gonna be throwing some around.

[@bluegold1026]

I didn't even try to fight the (thankfully optional) second rival battle.

[@newageBoundhippie]

ugh....I'm struggling with the main campaign as it is ( had to take a break for a while, I'm near the end of area 3...I just really suck with certain weapons so being forced to use specific weapons each level effs me up a ton ). I think I'll just WATCH a playthrough of Octo Expansion....

[@ghost245353]

I only own a switch lite :/

[@TrapCertifiedTV]

I knew Battletoads would be first without even starting the video 😂😂😂😂 great job again Deuces

[@dougamolina]

For me, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze's controls on Nintendo Switch are the real frustrating factor, it didn't work for me at all, it just feels wrong: terrible timing, odd button mapping, missing actions.. that alone made me give up on this game, even I loving the other factors of the same game, and the franchise itself.

[@jeffb.6642]

Silver Surfer NES: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@justboschma5047]

I have play and tried jet force Gemini. I got so frustrated I put it aside for an couple months before I was able to defeat it lol

[@mattiasolsson1523]

I still enjoy Super Mario Sunshine, still one of my favorite Mario game one matter what everyone says.

[@mredwin5896]

Same:)

[@mattiasolsson1523]

@@jaretco6423 Almost every Mario games has some content to be cut, like Mario 64 multiplayer. So i wish some of us could give Mario Sunshine more love to it instead of complain that it isn’t like Mario 64.

[@enderethan144]

The Donkey Kong country series brings back so many memories. I just love how DKCTF is one here 😂. That game really did top its own toughness.

[@theosmith6275]

The most frustrating Nintendo game I ever played was Kirby’s Dream Course.

[@thesmellofadventure5370]

I straight up hate that game

[@marcusyates3044]

Donkey Kong VS Yoshi! The Better Spin-off!

[@WERV2003]

DK

[@danielferrieri7434]

Top Ten Most Satisfying Victories in Nintendo Games

[@christianparrish3292]

That's interesting

[@mattiasolsson1523]

Finish a game with blind eyes.

[@midorikia]

I really enjoy the intonation of the narrator in this vid! ^^ You seem to have a knack for finding the right people for this job.

[@josh72456]

I had F Zero GX and Super Mario Sunshine as a kid I may have forgotten that Super Mario Sunshine was frustrating.

[@claytonepich2132]

Super Mario Sunshine is my first thought.

[@sameeknowsitall]

Same

[@CyanLater]

Surprised they didn’t add on the poison water stage with sand bird/pachinko.

[@kelz0327]

Hearing my boy The Black Hokage on a video made me smile hard as hell. Congratulations my guy

[@RaguORagla]

No Prince of Persia? To this day I still have a hard time with that game (1992 remake).

[@THOMASINTHE1980S]

I’m surprised Superman 64 isn’t part of this list.

[@GalickGon]

Those god damn flight rings

[@devingiles6597]

WatchMojo, you should do a list of the Top 20 NES Soundtracks. I have some examples of these soundtracks you guys should mention. Examples: Super Mario Bros. (1985) DuckTales (NES) (1989) Metroid (1986) The Legend of Zelda (1987) Zelda II: The Adventure of Link (1988) Super Mario Bros. 2 (1988) Super Mario Bros. 3 (1990) Mega Man (1987) Mega Man 2 (1989) Mega Man 3 (1990) Mega Man 4 (1991) Mega Man 5 (1992) Mega Man 6 (1994) Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers (NES) (1990) Mike Tyson's Punch Out (1987)

[@MrRebelcowboy32]

Battle Toads was fun to play, frustrating at first but it made you better as you went along through the stages to beat it.

[@jamesbutlerx64]

The most brutal Nintendo game I played was the original Ninja Gaiden game on the NES, sure it starts out easy but during the later parts of the game that it gets harder, the hardest part is to go from 6-1 to 6-4 and if you die in any part of the final boss you go all the way back to 6-1

[@kennethwright5664]

Was coming in here to say this as well. Ninja Gaiden not being on this list is shocking.

[@EricJosiahWorld]

I was super shocked Ninja Gaiden wasn't on here.

[@derrickhaggard]

I'm surprised Zelda 2 isn't on here as I can imagine many of us fans still have scarred memories/scarred flashbacks of Death Mountain aka Mount Rage-Quit.

[@trentyoung5251]

I have such fond memories of playing those games, including Battle Toad. Hard as they were though.

[@moleshaman3040]

Great list ,I didn’t actually play many of these because I only started playing Nintendo games regularly with the DS (I had a Megadrive ) but it’s nice to see them on the list and they’re rightly known to be difficult.

[@DemonicBolt66]

Jet Force Gemini - Not only did we beat it back in the day, we did it to 100%, no walkthrough book either (we were broke and couldn't afford the Prima Strategy Guide) F-Zero GX - I don't know how I did it, but I do remember beating the story. Nowadays I can barely keep up with that game! Got to replay it a few weeks ago and OOF, no, didn't stand a chance anymore

[@chesspunk489]

Tropical Freeze is easy to beat but hard to complete.

[@nickcopeland6915]

I love Mario Sunshine. I've mastered it so it's a breeze now.

[@thelegendarysorcerer3424]

Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze was a REALLY frustrating video game for me to complete. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Donkey Kong fan and I did happen to enjoy the game in the end. However, the game gave me one heck of a wake-up call as soon as I got to the second world. The SECOND WORLD! To say that I considered the following levels a pain would be an understatement! Every single stage from the second world onward resulted in my anger and frustration reaching heights that I never knew were achievable beforehand. In other words, I went from being pretty chill to practically having a hair-trigger temper within a short span of time. It got so bad to the point where I rage-quit about halfway through the game, and I never returned until a few years later. To sum it up, this was probably the maddest I ever was from playing a Nintendo game (or any video game in general, for that matter). The closest I had arguably ever gotten to being that angry and frustrated was in World of Light, largely because of some of the more difficult Legend-class Spirit Battles.

[@jamesmendonca2900]

When I played Mario Sunshine, I remember my palms sweating so much and my heart beating hard during those gauntlet levels. That was when I raged quit on the game.

[@nas0518]

Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze was kinda frustrating, but very fun to play. Plus, I remember beating the game.😉

[@mikeawesome9212]

You remember beating it but that never actually happened. Probably just a dream and thats why you're remembering it. That or you saw a friend beat it and thought it was you.

[@nas0518]

@@mikeawesome9212 Dude, I beat the game years ago. I clearly remembered beating the final boss. If you think that was a dream, then consider yourself delusional.

[@yothatscrash3092]

Ignore him he’s in everyone’s comments trying to belittle them. Probably some loser behind a keyboard/phone

[@jclkaytwo]

@@mikeawesome9212 lol wtf? what point are you trying to make?

[@mikeawesome9212]

@@jclkaytwo haha just messin with the guy.

[@hunterbates9539]

FINALLY!!! Jet Force Gemini gets some top 10 appreciation! I use to play this game for countless hours as a kid….until we got the official guide that is lol

[@maddog6620]

I think the most frustrating Nintendo game is F-ZERO X that game is hard

[@gundambassexe31]

I agree 💯👍

[@jalenbarnes7888]

As a huge F-zero fan: X is a cakewalk compared to GX

[@gundambassexe31]

@@jalenbarnes7888 XD Bull

[@jalenbarnes7888]

@@gundambassexe31 how is GX easier then?

[@corymorimacori1059]

Other frustrating Nintendo games: Splatoon octo expansion Splatoon 3 (Mostly Story mode) Mario odyssey (For finding some of the moons)

[@brandonhyter5023]

Super Mario the lost levels. 1986 should be on here

[@RYANTHECRITE2023]

Yeah these games are hard at first but once you get the hang of them they're actually extremely fun to play

[@gadrielvanorion9872]

and then there is battletoads

[@RYANTHECRITE2023]

Well once you get the hang of those they also become fun to play

[@RYANTHECRITE2023]

Well that was the 80s and the 90s and everything looked so good back then

[@RYANTHECRITE2023]

Are you kidding the battle toads are one of the most iconic characters of all time just like the Street sharks I've seen the Street sharks cartoon and the battletoads video game and they are amazing

[@RYANTHECRITE2023]

Battletoads was a good game and even got a cartoon series

[@manuelfinale9231]

The story (or stories) in FE: Radiant Dawn lacked cohesion and felt choppy and rushed. But seeing units get promoted to Third Tier demons was a blast (especially Shinon and Ike). I feel like a revamp of the Tellius (Path of Radiance & Radiant Dawn) series would be lit, if done properly

[@GalickGon]

I’d love some Revamped content as well. Loved path of radiance. It’s funny how POR was considered an easy fire emblem game bc of easy resources but radiant dawn was considered tough because of a lack of resources? I never completed it so I can’t say for sure

[@Vampocrat]

The story of Radiant Dawn I find to be the best out of all of the games, but you do need to play Path of Radiance to get the full picture. And while good for the most part, I felt Path of Radiance was a massive step back after loving the branched promotions of Sacred Stones.

[@manuelfinale9231]

@The Fourth Primogenitor True. But keep in mind, this was the first installment to hit a home console vs. a portable one. Intelligent Systems and Nintendo had to first make sure that they could make that transition

[@master-pz5ed]

3:04 you forgot lili pad ride💀

[@robinolsson6152]

And we thought Nintendo games was easy for us. But for those games, we change our mind.

[@edwardmendoza3985]

Hats off to those who steered that dang boat inside the volcano of Sunshine... 😅😮‍💨

[@angrybirdstanukigamer]

2:20 I actually played this game as part of the Super Mario 3D All-Stars pack and some of these missions frustrated the shit out of me

[@TheRealBitterbub]

Glad to see F-Zero GX, the game is stellar. And the soundtrack is the embodiment of speed.

[@kay-dc8495]

"Rainbow Road" in Mario Kart brought out the worst in all of us

[@christianparrish3292]

Tell me about it, especially on the Wii.

[@scottpilgrym2562]

DKC tropical freeze and mario sunshine not so frustrating 🤣

[@mattiasolsson1523]

But they are not easy to complete 100% 😅

[@mossysalad3772]

For some reason, eleven-year-old me had no issues with Jet Force Gemini. Twenty years later and I struggle to make it to the third planet.

[@bluegold1026]

SMS wasn't that bad once you get used to the controls (though what were they thinking with that Pachinko level?) DKC5 (Tropical Freeze) had its share of brutal levels that required a lot of repeat playthroughs to collect everything, but it also had some, really, really fun levels!!

[@TheBlackSamurai2708]

Yeah same

[@superiorgames2007]

For me most frustrating Nintendo games are 1. Metroid (NES) 2. 1st The legend of Zelda (NES)

[@zachtwilightwindwaker596]

You mean Zelda 2.

[@jclkaytwo]

just gonna say this: tropical freeze, while challenging, is definitely the easiest of the 5 DKC games and should not be on this list. SMB lost levels should've absolutely taken its spot.

[@marcusyates3044]

Ghouls 'n' Goblins VS Darkstalkers!

[@drewcook1985]

The most frustrating Nintendo game I played is Skyward Sword. Because of clunky controls, swinging the WII controller, the enemies and bosses deal huge damage to Link, and you have to face two of the bosses three times and they get increasingly difficult and frustrating each time you face them. I barely beat the Switch remastered due to it is button control and the right stick swings the sword.

[@capsmoke215]

Love the announcer for the video

[@ultankearns]

Zelda 2 was a pretty tough and unforgiving game, was very good though.

[@thespyderwithin]

Advance Wars (GBA), Super Hunchback (GB), Body Harvest (N64)

[@SchwarzerWerwolf]

I did not think #4 was that hard. It took patience and some grinding, but i wasnt really unfair or frustrating to me.

[@Crewgasm]

Metroid and Mario Lost Levels are a little tougher than Mario Sunshine.

[@fejamolonblun2002]

On my opinnion Super Mario World (SNES 1990) and Mario Kart (Wii 2006) are the most frustrating ones because the game controllers make them pretty difficult to play. :'v

[@RioluLucario1994]

Search Kaizo Mario

[@christianparrish3292]

It's easy for me because of the Wii nunchuck.

[@jordanacheson1574]

I only 100% Tropical Freeze and Sunshine. The Bird was way eaiser. However, the poison lake and the pachinko machine were the 2 hardest for me.

[@firestonehaku]

If you think DKC Tropical Freeze and MARIO SUNSHINE are difficult Nintendo games, you probably haven't played many difficult Nintendo games.

[@mcoley116]

Castlevania was hard AF

[@user-em6ie2be7x]

Has anyone ever actually beaten BattleToads without a Game Genie?

[@derrickhaggard]

I have though it took me about 3 weeks to do it and let's just say those 3 weeks were filled with yelling, getting frustrated, and saying words that little kid me was not allowed to say aka your typical BattleToads experience.

[@perrytheplatypus4620]

I've been playing Tropical Freeze a lot lately, and while I can safely say it's one of my favorite 2D platformers that I've played, it definitely has its frustrating moments. The boss of World 2 is the worst offender of this in my opinion.

[@abellewis3062]

Battletoads is the most frustrating game on ANY Nintendo system. Enough said.

[@chris_t2020]

I thought for a moment that Megaman Network Transmission was a GBA game. Lol.

[@ianrangers]

So this is what Zee Wright is now doing after bad influence in the 90s. Voice work for Watch Mojo 😂

[@blockbusterlatefees7713]

Hardest game on the DS, Etrian? I would argue that Steel Disaster or Red Riding Hoods Zombie BBQ are harder! Fun video 😀

[@delightfuldrei]

This list is the truth. I swear I thought I got stuck in Mario Sunshine and Radiant Dawn because I sucked at games. I'm glad it's not just me.

[@crazydrunkbunny]

This title is misleading. Not all games were developed by Nintendo. Granted that Rare developed exclusively for Nintendo until 2002 but Battletoads was released on Sega's Mega Drive and Game Gear 2 years later. Capcom also developed games for other consoles like Ghosts N' Goblins that also got released on the Sega Genesis. I was under the impression of getting a list of the mosty frustrating games directly developed by Nintendo, like the first Mario Bros. that was really hard.

[@JeffGavinMusic]

Pitch perfect timing…? Lol

[@peterlacasciamusic1175]

I am proud to say I defeated all of the chapters on F-Zero GX on the hardest difficulty setting. It only took me 17 years lol

[@gundambassexe31]

Super Mario bros 2 lost levels and Definitely f zero x imo !

[@deondraemcknight232]

DK tropical freeze is pretty hard compared to the original games on super Nintendo

[@bighand1530]

Yeah

[@mattiasolsson1523]

Its hardest then DKC2

[@williamjohncrane]

I'll never understand the hate for sunshine. One of my favourite games 🥰

[@ansahs]

No mention of ninja gaiden? shame shame shame.

[@jonahsherlin06]

I blew through tropical freeze plenty of times, without funky kong.

[@pasqualembisceglia1989]

I love Super Mario Sunshine for Nintendo GameCube in 2002 and also in Super Mario 3D All-Stars especially Super Mario 64 and Super Mario Galaxy in 2017. But don't worry, I'll try every same world again to get the Shine if Mario loses the energy and life.

[@kullnevar]

Surprised Zelda 2 didn’t at least get a dishonorable mention for the Great Palace and the gauntlet to get there.

[@jigoyap2233]

All Donkey Kong Country games becomes frustratingly hard when almost to the end game.

[@manoftheusajones5147]

I have Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze!

[@bighand1530]

Same

[@robinolsson6152]

Me too.

[@stevegallo8483]

Battletoads is the posterchild for the brutally difficult Nintendo games.

[@Jacknano708]

I’m surprised that Mario Kart or Mario Party isn’t on this list. Imagine getting hit by shells and blue shells over and over again. And Mario Party will ruin friendships no matter how the game goes.

[@kingbeef66]

I’ll say Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, Metroid Dread, and NES Kid Icarus.

[@keynanmartinez]

Splatoon 2 Octo Expansion should of been on the list.

[@jfh.8064]

The original 3 DKC games on Super Nintendo are all harder than Tropical Freeze for sure. Especially DKC2.

[@champreed9721]

I almost gave up scrolling for someone to mention DKC2. Idk how I beat it as a kid. I booted it up almost 25 years later and I said fuck it after the lava

[@user-hz4bk3ii2w]

Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze and Super Mario Sunshine the most punishing Nintendo game or games on the switch

[@TyWashdaddy]

I knew Super Mario Sunshine was frustrating due to the fact that my wife beat and 100% every Mario game except that one. The only Mario game she dislikes.

[@gundambassexe31]

Ghosts & goblins Is the bane of my existence and I remember mega man network transmission on GameCube was super Fun yet frustrating like the mega man classic x and zero series In a nutshell

[@MatthiaGryffine]

Okami. The brush mech was supposed to be fun but it was so badly programmed that the hit detection was terrible and was glitched horrendously. I had enough after 20 hours and I broke up with the "friend" who recommended it.

[@ManFrancisco]

Haven’t watched yet lol but are you saying Tropical Freeze was hard??? It was easier than Returns by miles. I didn’t really find it to be that hard let alone a top 10 hardest Nintendo list. Now I have to watch 😂😂

[@hectorcollazo8845]

Castlevania 3: Dracula's Curse should be an honorable mention. Oh and the 1st Kid Icarus.

[@volespirit247]

I brought tropical freeze just yesterday- I’m stuck on the second part of Mangrove cove, my timing is terrible but the game is fun!

[@BigFella117]

Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze is Nintendo's answer to Dark Souls

[@bluegold1026]

I definitely wouldn't put it THAT far. Most of us aren't gluttons for punishment. Everything about Dark Souls is difficult. At least DKC5 helped you out when you needed it. Plus it has some really enjoyable levels!