Top 10 Worst Fire Emblem Villains

[@CountShaman]

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[@nessdbest8708]

Why do you say Blazing Sword? Isn't it Blazing Blade?

[@CountShaman]

@@nessdbest8708 OG fans remember when it's called Blazing Sword

[@nessdbest8708]

OGer fans remember when it was just called "Fire Emblem"@@CountShaman

[@jakubklemenski7380]

How about Epimenides from Three Hopes? I think that he is way better than the Agarthans.

[@nessdbest8708]

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[@lagspike7763]

Grima being Robin makes sense because the only thing that could realistically pose a threat to you in awakening is another Robin lol

[@gallalameblook9911]

Sadly, Grima forgot the first item on his shopping list and didn't slap a Nos effect on that expiration, nor did they get a pair-up partner with the dragon form

[@tristennorris3725]

I agree with you dude 😊

[@hilgigas09]

Am I alone in thinking Garon would have worked if he was genuinely kind to his children and subjects? If Corrin discovering the horrors he visits upon Hoshido causes the Branch of Fates. I also think removing the Agarthans from Three Houses makes it a tragedy, of an immortal failing to maintain order on the continent and all attempts to fix it led to further deterioration. The Wars, partition, ethnic cleansings, and the crest experiments would all be the acts of human hatred and greed, thing Rhea fails to control or understand. VW, SS, and AM would be the story of a more suitable successor, hopefully, bringing a brighter future. CF would be all of her failures coming back to bite her with the rise of a revolutionary conqueror.

[@CountShaman]

Both of those are objectively the best ways to fix both games' story dramatically.

[@sacredeight]

Exactly! They had such a good set up for garon being this sort of tragic broken monarch akin to Hardin in FE3 but ditched it in favour of making him so cartoonishly evil that he makes the rest of nohr look worse for putting up with him

[@hollyleavves]

Sad how rhea is relegated to creepy dictator dragon lady with incestuous tendencies instead. Why is possible to marry her is beyond me. Fe isnt fe without some ol' sweet home alabama i guess.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@sacredeight Good news Garon is actually intimidating in the Fire Emblem Fates Manga.

[@Kpimpmaster]

They’re high on this list for a reason

[@mtj8870]

Sov giving grima more lore in 20 minutes than awakening does in 20 hours

[@hour236]

What really annoys about the Agarthans is that you have to play two games and SEVEN routes to be able to understand them fully. I had to play through all of the routes of Three houses AND Three hopes to get a slight understanding of them. Definitely agreeing with that Nemesis carried them.

[@samkeiser9776]

Two words, mole people

[@kueyteow6288]

Dubstep mole people

[@hour236]

@@kueyteow6288 You're not wrong.

[@-lord1754]

I only did one route in Hopes and didnt even get byleth what exactly do they do in that game

[@kueyteow6288]

@@-lord1754 byleth acted as an antagonist or a rival to Shez

[@sarasaland4709]

Something else worth mentioning is how once Jeritza is playable, the Death Knight stuff is completely irrelevant. He doesn’t even have any talk with Manuela over what happened in Part 1. Jeritza is well fleshed out and a great character. But the Death Knight ultimately doesn’t matter much. Least he’s a badass overpowered bastard in Crimson Flower.

[@sjk8495]

Yeah I feel like Jeritza's backstory and true personality, including why the Death Knight exist, are what make him interesting, plus those factors make me feel bad for killing him in non-CF routes.

[@mray4784]

Nah, he hurt Flayn so no remorse for my part.@@sjk8495

[@sjk8495]

@@mray4784 On my part though, I still feel bad for Jeritza since he was forced into his Death Knight persona.

[@Kpimpmaster]

He’s like the Black Knight But done badly in almost every way possible

[@XellosNi]

@@Kpimpmaster Which is super hilarious because both Zelgius and The Black Knight were both compelling personae in their own right, and them being the same person was just the icing on top.

[@sarasaland4709]

You know a man is serious about FE Villains when he uses El Dorado to showcase points,.

[@ShadowOrochi1377]

Something about Ludveck is that in the extended script of Radiant Dawn, he’s more fleshed out which hurts his development because IS really cut him down of characterization in the localized scripted.

[@nerdycatlover8627]

I agree. I think Ludveck is pretty interesting for an early game villain but only if you know the extended script.

[@jaredfayette2567]

@@nerdycatlover8627 Also came to comment with that. Such a shame we didn't get the extended script since Ludveck is easily the biggest loser of it being gone in international versions with how much he's missing. With it, not only does his plan make a lot more sense (doesn't want to overthrow Elincia in a way that leaves her dead, but capture her alive (a fact never established in international versions also because the lack of the extended script) and make her cede the throne him in order to not piss off the other nations if he just killed her and proclaimed himself king in a "legitimate" fashion), but he delivers some very vicious lines as well in the dungeon scene (like saying Elincia being so overly trusting that he could have poisoned her without her ever doubting him if he was allowed that option). For me, he went from a passable but unremarkable villain to possibly one of my favorite minor villains in the series because of the extended script. If RD ever gets remade, I REALLY want that that portion added back in as that's one of the biggest improvements that a remake could do for the game.

[@JD10503]

​@jaredfayette2567 Maybe it's just my own personal headcanon, but I don't think he could have let Elincia live even if she had ceded her throne. He's not stupid, and I think there could have been a loyalist faction that would have rose up. With Lucia's life as a bargaining chip, the argument could still be made she gave in under duress. Just my own thoughts on it. I used to write FE fan fiction, so that's just my theory. But yeah, a lot of things suffered in the localization.

[@nerdycatlover8627]

@@JD10503 I have no idea. It's possible. But iirc he said that he'd have been happy to be executed as a traitor if Elincia proved herself to be a strong ruler.

[@JD10503]

​@nerdycatlover8627 Oh, he did. I'm talking more of if Elincia had given in, he probably would have had her killed just to avoid a loyalist faction.

[@lunatic0verlord10]

You forgot to bring up Anankos' backstory, and how it's behind a paywall.

[@WarmLusamine]

Wasn't Anankos himself behind a paywall?

[@lunatic0verlord10]

@@WarmLusamine Yes, and his backstory is behind a DIFFERENT paywall.

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

And it's a horrible one

[@blackdragoncyrus]

Anankos = When the writers couldn't be fucked to write a proper villain.

[@ejirokirishima4604]

Intelligent system needs to stop doing these morally grey stories if they arent ready to actually show these stories as morally grey. Fates and 3H had very good core ideas but they werent ready to commit to that idea.

[@CountShaman]

Thing is, 3 Houses came VERY CLOSE to succeeding it, if they didn't decide to throw a cult in there because "durr Kaga did it, so it must be good"

[@orangeslash1667]

@@CountShaman Good news, Kaga made an RPG on Steam called Vestaria Saga II, it's pretty much Fire Emblem.

[@estabez]

@@CountShaman On the one hand, the only FE game I've played is Three Houses, but on the other.... I don't think Those who Slither in the Dark ruin the drama of the game's story. Sure, they're not really interesting villains, but they don't detract from the complicated relations Edelgard and Dimitri have, the hate Edelgard has towards Rhea, Claude's quest for freedom (In fact, Nemesis helps enhance it.) and so on.

[@XellosNi]

@@CountShaman A lot of JRPGs did the cult thing. Although a good portion of them also happened to be Christianity Analogues.

[@samkeiser9776]

Grima is misused, he’s like a Kaiju, but they tried to give him some kind of philosophy, but he’s just… a cynical nihilistic asshole. “Your besties are meaningless.” -Grima Grima could’ve had no dialogue and would have been the same. If they had made Grima a thematic monster, maybe he’d have been better. Imagine if Robin learned they were a vessel of Grima way earlier in the story, and it really shocks them, Robin gets cynical and depressed about it. Chrom is like, bestie, we can beat anything because I believe in the power of S support pair ups. And Robin starts being optimistic because Chrom is their optimistic bestie. When at the end of the game, they actually do fight Grima, Grima thematically represents the dread and cynical mindset robin felt when they had accepted their doomed fate, and them literally beating Grima becomes thematic to them beating that cynicism. Robin could learn they’re a vessel of Grima right when they go to plegia to ask for their ships, Validar could be like “btw, you better take care of yourself my child because you’re a vessel of Grima. And the heir to the plegian throne, because you’re my child and will be our god so…” And so Chrom helping Robin’s character growth after Robin gets depressed about it would tie into Robin and Chrom as “two-halfs of a whole.” Because Robin helped Chrom through his sadness after Emmeryn dies. Maybe along the way in Valm Robin regains their memories of being raised in Plegia, and maybe they remember something that makes them want to save Plegia, like their mother’s kindness. Or normal people in the grimleal that are good people. And robin’s ties to Plegia actually end up mattering thematically Maybe the reason the Grimleal are evil isn’t because They like big evil dragons, but because they have some kind of prophecy of Grima’s revival from way back when he died, and their religion is about accepting their fate to be destroyed by an evil dragon, furthering the idea of grima as the big cynicism dragon. Robin and Chrom go to validar to be like “we can change fate and kill grima.” And validar is like “no that’s blasphemy, we have to accept our fates.” The plot ensues like normal until validar is defeated, but then Grima presumably possesses robin into attacking chrom, but he survives, because power of friendship, robin weakened the lightning. Grima fails to possess Robin As Grima can’t control robin, Validar decides to be his vessel instead, Grima is revived and maybe weaker and/or unstable, but still a threat, they kill him the end. In the epilogue, Robin becomes the ruler of Plegia, and Chrom of Ylisse, but they stay besties. Making the relationship between both Chrom and Robin play into both character’s growth. Why didn’t I mention lucina, or future grima? because in this story there is no time travel. Or emmyryn assassination plot. (Literally the only thing lucina changes besides emmyryn’s assassination is Basilio surviving, and he can just… survive.) if they need a reason for Emmeryn to move from the capital, it can just be plegian assassins that want to kill/capture her because gangriel is an ass. Maybe it’s a little cheesy, maybe it’s a little fan-fictiony, but personally I like the idea of the relationship between chrom and robin actually mattering thematically beyond Chrom being like “we’re such besties that we can change fate.” I think it also improves the grimleal because validar becomes sort of like Jedah, he’s a planner who wants nothing more than to make sure that his religious ideology is upheld, and Aversa defecting could be because she gains hope that Grima can lose, (and could actually happen during the real story.) and maybe they could tie her into Robin’s childhood memories, or have her show up in Valm to fight alongside the Yiless army initially to spy on them and then because their ideology rubs off on her, she defects from the grimleal, (before or after betraying them by helping validar.)

[@gingerkays7362]

Since we never find out what happened to Ludvek after Part 2, it’s my personal head cannon that he was hanged on the same gallows his followers nearly executed Lucia on

[@JD10503]

Poetic justice.

[@zephon6745]

I view Anankos and the Garon we meet as the same being. Anankos is controlling Garon's corpse to act as his puppet. The real Garon never appears alive in Fates. So I think that we could had a better written King villain than a corpse if Garon was alive rather than a dragon puppet vessel.

[@Kpimpmaster]

True but you don’t know that unless you play Fates Revaluations

[@ajh22895]

The worst part about Plegia is that the first half of the story is actually quite interesting. They are seen as evil because they have power and are opposed to Ylisse. But they are avenging the actions of Chrom's father who tried to genocide them.

[@Hilversumborn]

There are IMO four dragon villains that are well done. Medeus, the dragon who wants vengeance. Duma, the dragon who’s suffering from degeneration. (Basically dragon’s version of dementia) Idunn, the dragon who’s being used as a tool without the ability to resist it. Rhea, the dragon who seeks to guide humanity but has proven to be inadequate. I didn’t include Grima because I hated the time travel shenanigans, and I hate time travel in general as a story device because 99/100 times it doesn’t work and makes things needlessly complicated.

[@CountShaman]

Agree with those honestly. Some of them may not have the best fights, but their stories are solid enough to uphold them.

[@jimjimson6208]

I liked Idunn because her dynamic with Zephiel was a fun reversal of the classic 'dude turned bad by the evil magic orb/dragon/whatever' backstory that we see in so many Fire Emblem villains.

[@nicolasbanidol2371]

I like the dynamic between Zephiel and Idunn too. The extra story we get in Heroes establishes that Idunn was basically the only person Zephiel trusted and it wasn't simply because Idunn was brainwashed, but because being sealed by the humans and betrayed by her kind was so traumazing that Idunn is just glad to be free and find someone who undestands her. They could have done Idunn better earlier, but her character arc in Heroes isn't that bad: she's a prideful and snarky, yet genuinely honorable anti-villain who becomes more mature and is conflicted between her gratitude towards Roy and her loyalty to Zephiel and tries to continue her plans upon defeat but in a way that doesn't harm innocents and make Elibe a better place.

[@opalyasu7159]

Idea: what if Iago was the one coming up with the evil plans, and Hans was the one who normally carries them out, but over time, he starts to question Iago's motives? Hans would just be too simple and trusting, just like Corrin, to abandon Iago, if that makes sense

[@Kpimpmaster]

I remember an idea I had for Fates where Corrin insisted of picking sides they turn into their dragon form and fly back and tries to kill Garon in the hopes that Xander would make a peace with Ryoma but Corrin gets killed and Lilith sacrifices herself so Corrin doesn’t end up being controlled by Anankos and Corrin discovers they can free others from Anankos’s control and starts forming and army to fight against it while Xander had overheard Garon confessing to using Corrin to kill the Hoshidos and the four siblings realize their father has lost what’s left of his sanity and they need to kill Garon to for the good of Nohr and recruit both the Resistance and the Hoshido to ultimately kill Garon

[@orangeslash1667]

Good news Garon is actually intimidating in the Fire Emblem Fates Manga.

[@golemofwill4728]

Garon really needed a moment where his former non corrupted and non possessed self shined through, either with a flashback or after you finally best him, because currently he really is a nothing character.

[@JD10503]

I would have liked to have seen that. Maybe a moment where he asks his children to put him down even.

[@Abyrae]

​@@JD10503Yes, this. Give us a reason to make his children's loyalty to him make sense, especially Xander who is the oldest and may have more solid memories of pre-corpse-Anankos-possessed Garon being actually a good father despite being a womanizer.

[@Kpimpmaster]

Then you may actually feel bad for killing him

[@KokichiGrimleal_058]

Grima is a character I really love and is probably my favorite FE villain, but that’s because of FEH, cipher and the DLC of shadows of Valentia. If we were to base around solely around Awakening and that only… then yeah, Grima is one of the worst villains in FE. I feel like if they explained more about Grima’s story and motivations instead of just keeping it hidden, it would made Grima’s final confrontation all the more fantastic. Maybe Grima could have explained to Robin about how mankind is hypocritical and how greedy they are for power like how they did in FEH. Anankos is another character I like, but i really wish they gave him more screen time and maybe even give him a few interactions with Garon and him controlling him. It may have even improved Garon a bit, but alas. It’s fates.

[@Scar-to8by]

I would liked to see more of Past Alear story, know what happened with his/her brothers and sisters, and learn more about Sombron and the Divine Dragons. Maybe this would had helped to improve Sombron´s and Lumera´s character.

[@snorp_lord6141]

It's a shame about Grima too, because everything they've been doing with Grima story-wise in Heroes has been pretty good! Especially Rearmed Grima, who infiltrates a group of newly summoned Awakening heroes posing as Robin to learn if there are any worthwhile threats. They even then meet up with the earlier Grima-acolyte version Morgan and we hear more of how Morgan ended up that way! Some more of that stuff would have been interesting, I think.

[@lunatic0verlord10]

Actually, the time travel thing was because neither Lucina nor Grima knew how time travel worked. Both thought it was a "change the past, change the present" kind and not a "multiple timeline" kind. It's not a "plan", it's a mistake everyone on both sides made.

[@Hyper_Drud]

Sombron’s dragon form looks like a giant remobra from the Monster Hunter series.

[@adventuresteamstudios242]

Well to be honest Count, at least the "Power of Friendship" makes sense in Fire Emblem Engage, the same can't be said for Sonic Forces

[@paulman34340]

Agree, still remember people WHINING about "Persona 5 POWER OF FRIENDSHIP Scene" forgetting that took place in the METAVERSE/Human Subconsciousness so IMAGINATION comes to life where a Toy Gun acts like a REAL GUN with REAL BULLETS and you can cast MAGIC cause you believe, so it made SENSE there to! Seriously people got to get over hating the Power of Friendship FUCK YOU Killer Moves when the narrative allowed it to make sense instead of "It happens cause THAT'S THE CLIQUE which is just lazy!

[@rator1st]

While I agree the fangs were kind of the best villains in Engage... that admittedly was not a high bar and they are still lackluster character wise, every time they tried to make them sympathetic, I just laughed because there wasn't really much build up to it. Like psycho loli, are we expected to believe she now cares when she hears about Viel's sob story when she herself massacred innocents without a second thought? The others are no different, fighting them is fun, but caring about their characters doesn't feel earned, but shoehorned in when the writers couldn't be bothered to build them up naturally.

[@Nikita_Akashya]

Well, to be fair to Fates: Garon is literally dead for the entire story. We don't know when or how he died, but he's dead. And Anankos is just controlling his dead body. And Anankos himself doesn't actually have any plans, because he is also going insane from Dragon alzheimers. This is the main reason he is such a bad villain. He has an interesting backstory that we only get in the DLC. But for basically the entire story of fates, Anankos or Hydra just wants to destroy the world because he has degenerated a long time ago. The main theme of the game was written by him and is a cry for salvation. It was written by his human soul I think. Who also died before the main game. And the localisation really ruined Xander, because in the OG script he excuses his father because he is scared shitless of him. You know, Daddy issues. The Nohr siblings are all scared of Garon and obey him out of fear. Fates could have been so good. It could have been really good. But they first cut the script short by a lot and then the localisation butchered it even more. I still like the game though. I enjoy the characters. And yeah, Sombron sucks as a villain. But Sombron also has nothing interesting going on for him. Anankos and Garon at least have their very interesting backstories and circumstances that could have been done way better. I don't know, I just don't like fates endings. Engage had a nice ending though. I miss paired endings but hey, they basically just made another Binding Blade. Roy was also the only character with a paired ending in his game. I really enjoyed Engage. I wonder what the next FE game will be.

[@isiahjocast1252]

Grima is the definition of "fumbling the bag." Grima won, but got too greedy and tried to merge with Robin early when going to the past, causing their memory loss and kicking off the story. Meanwhile, doing damn near nothing until the end of the game, where they then just get killed and lose by completely preventable means.

[@therealjaystone2344]

Being arrogant and too cocky was his downfall

[@krvgames9258]

You can’t deny this about Sombron, despite him not having a good final boss fight, his final boss music is actually really freaking good. I’ve never played Fire Emblem Engage, but I started listening to Fell Sombron’s boss theme.

[@valtinryu8147]

I forget who it was, but someone made a video talking about how RD could have involved Daein in the war without a Blood Pact, and iirc it involved freeing Ludveck from prison and having him come back as an antagonist late in part 3.

[@JD10503]

That would have been interesting to see. But actually I don't mind the blood pact angle so much. Figured if anyone would have had access to ancient and likely forbidden magic, why not the oldest nation on the continent.

[@SteelandSouls]

You really opened up your list with a hot take. Bold move, my guy.

[@jvts8916]

Credit where credit is due to Sombron: when he explains his past, the game makes it pretty clear it does not excuse his actions. Even Alear finds it downright insulting as Sombron treated his children as expendable pawns to find the one person he cared about, never mind that any one or many of his children could've filled in that part. As for the Grimleal, I only have one question: why do future games insist on making them enforcers of villains that very clearly aren't Grima? Several major bosses in TMS are Grimleal despite the main villains of the story being Gharnef and the revived Medeus fought after the boss rush looks nothing like the fell dragon. The original FE Warriors has even less of an excuse as, unlike Mirages Aversa and Excellus, Validar has preserved his mental state and is still serving the Gristonne Army with what appear to be zero ulterior motives. Their english name is a portmanteau of "Grima" and "loyal"!

[@lpfan4491]

FEW is full of issues and the villains are the worst part. Validar has no reason(Could have at least written a convoluted reasoning like "Velezark and Grima are similar kinds of evil dragons, so he became a follower in the hopes of using the power of one to revive the other"), Iago just f*cking vanishes from the script once he retreats(Seriously, where is that guy? Did he just give up?), Gharnef is only there to fill the "look, I am the clone guy"-trope, the King is a legit non-entity who does not even have a clear motive(Besides just ruling the entire land, I suppose, lmao) and Velezark is an absolute mess because it is literally what the plot wants it to be and it sucks. Edit: it is also hilarious how Hyrule Warriors did basically the same thing in a lot of ways, except actually good.

[@-memoria-2136]

@@lpfan4491 Iago had the right idea, I wouldn't want to be in FEW's story either lmao Takumi shooting Velezark!Darios mid possessed evil monologue is the best thing in any FE though.

[@CGFillertext]

@@lpfan4491Tinfoil hat idea: After he peaced out of fire emblem warriors, Iago mysteriously got teleported to 16th century Venice, going full circle to end up being actual Iago from actual Othello

[@blackskullknight9062]

9:41 he has a little bit more to do in the extended script version of Radiant dawn that includes expanded version of Elincia and his debate about ruling a nation. But he was nothing more than a steppingstone in the bigger picture.

[@CGrascal]

I know Peri was brought up. But, that what annoys me about Treehouse not bringing over the Festival DLCs. The Children's Festival DLC actually have extra dialog and scenarios of the families interacting with each other more. And with the case of Peri, there are two examples where you can see showing remorse for her past and not wanting others to fall into the same trappings as her. Those two are Ophelia and Soleil. But at the same time, we end up having to treat those conversations and her supports in general to be two separate universes. We could have opportunities to see such things. But unfortunately, we can't.

[@fireboltpt]

I think Grima works a lot better as a villain in the Future Past DLC. They feel a lot more intimidating and generally has a more imposing but tragic presence

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

Imagine paying a DLC in order to understand a villain

[@firenze6478]

I feel like gangrel is extremely underrated. He’s a victim of both his country’s horrible beliefs and witnessing the bloodshed of his people which drove him mad. Was later used like a puppet by validar into starting the apocalypse. Gets abandoned by his own people then left for dead by the son of the man he hated most. Becomes a lowly pirate seeking death with no desires for life. Get’s convinced by his sworn enemy that he’ll have a better chance of dying with him. Somehow survives due to his insane luck(either bad or good) then finally either finds death or woos robin into restarting his conquests and finding redemption through his child

[@CountShaman]

I do pity the notion of making Gangrel a redeemed villain because Awakening's story feels like it doesn't take itself seriously enough for that sort of characterization to matter. If the redemption of someone irredemable like him something tackled in stories that really puts that sort of theme in center stage, it would've mattered a lot more.

[@firenze6478]

@@CountShaman I think the point though is that gangrel never was redeemed unless f robin marries him. He’s just looking for a good place to die. His evil ambitions led him to a position where he was pathetic and miserable and even after helping to save the word(which he only did hoping it would get him killed) he disappears from history with his only mention being that he was finally allowed to die.

[@legomaster2538]

I definitely think King Oskr and Chaos Dragon Velezark from Warriors should have been mentioned. Oskr just shows up only to be killed at the end of the one chapter he appears in, and Velezark was brought into the story way too late.

[@Hebleh]

Finally someone else talking about how bad Validar is I hope you do more FE content!

[@aStrangerApproaches]

Wait, Excellus was supposed to be a Grimleal? I played this game when it came out and I didn’t can't that, i just thought he was Walhart's lackey. Where is it mentioned that he was a Grimleal?

[@CountShaman]

He is stated to be a devout follower of the cult who uses his position as Walhart's man to manipulate him and prevent him from succeeding so he can't fight Grima.

[@aStrangerApproaches]

@@CountShaman do you recall which chapter?

[@KokichiGrimleal_058]

@@aStrangerApproachesI think it’s chapter 19-20

[@jaredfayette2567]

There's also the chapter where you fight against Aversa outside of the tower with the Dreadlords (sorry, can't remember the chapter off the top of my head), specifically with her battle conversations with Chrom and Robin where all of that gets explained... And is easily missable because our first instinct of taking care of a powerful flier is to pelt them with arrows. Didn't know about those conversations for YEARS until like last year when I was watching an older LP going out of its way to show it off exactly because so many people missed that major reveal. Really annoyed that "main story" reveal can be easily missed.

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

Was he a Grimleal?, I thought he was just an oportunist and that's it, not that he was ACTUALLY a Grimleal wtf Awakening's story gets worse

[@johnzapspell]

Woah! King of Skill jumpscare! 9:45

[@CountShaman]

RRRRREEEEEINHARDT TIME!!!

[@ajh22895]

Hans: I have not worn pants in 10 years.

[@Miles_Action]

I agree with Death Knight being a bad villain, if they were trying to make a black knight ripoff, it failed. I like the voice they gave him though, it was intimidating the first time. As for Hans, he looks like Chris Walker from Outlast, or he should've. Excellus had been my arch nemesis ever since I saw him, I even thought he was a girl at first, lol.

[@Grand_Kaiserin_Elysium]

i know three hopes was kinda brushed over during the dishonourable mentions and the agarthans section but its not just me who thinks the games ending was so abrupt right? it looks, feels, and plays like it shouldnt end after epamenadis (i forget the spelling) cause when i played the game the first time i was genuinely confused on why it ended and i thought at first it might have been one of the things they did in older games where you have to do something to get the true ending, but nope, i get its technically a spin-off but i love that game (and shez) so much

[@samflood5631]

#9. Fun Fact, Patrick Seitz, the voice of Jerizta, also did the voice of Arthas from World of Warcraft who was also a Death Knight. #5. I feel like Mr. Sinister from X-Men is a lot better of an evil scientist than the Agarthans. Are you going to do a list of top 10 best and worst Fire Emblem Characters, Supports and Romances?

[@CountShaman]

I considered making those, but there are several difficulties I had to deal with. Namely finding footage that isn't copiously ridden with watermarks and making sure I didn't miss any extra details from DLCs and such.

[@FlyingFocs]

Fun fact: I first played Crimson Flower, and I hated Death Knight SO MUCH, I didn't use him once he became recruitable.

[@valeriedure2341]

ludveck is actually one of my favorite villains because he directly causes elincia's great character arc and is a representation of the bigotry and hatred that the protagonists strive to overcome

[@notdonkeykong]

I love Anankos so much I think either him or Julius may be my favorite FE villain, it’s a shame the way Fates went about its storytelling makes it a little sucky, the Heirs of Fate DLC does him a lot more Justice imo I love him there so much I just also really like the heirs of fate dlc

[@CountShaman]

Anankos is probably the only villain on this list that I like lol

[@notdonkeykong]

@@CountShaman good choice I respect you 🫡

[@orangeslash1667]

@@notdonkeykong Good news Garon is actually intimidating in the Fire Emblem Fates Manga.

[@davidgeorge1943]

You guys wanna know how lacking Garon's character is? His description in Heroes is only two lines long, including which game he's from! Even Brigand Boss at least has two and a half, excluding the game title!

[@hedgehogpower194]

People shit in Fomortiis for being the "easiest" and dissapointing final boss when you have Thracia 776 final boss lol I saw a gameplay showing how easily can you kill him in one turn Like ?????

[@MrSupersmash93]

IMO, honestly I like Anankos and Garon as modern FE Villians because at least they were actually sympathetic in comparison to Validar, The Agarthans and Sombron (though Sombron was refreshing).Both at least were a good people before Garon was betrayed by his wife’s (which explains why but not justified his attitude towards his family and people and to be fair his family was lying to him) and before Ananakos went mad ( and even then he still help the heroes stop himself). I have a lot more sympathy for these guys than Edelgard.

[@nicolasbanidol2371]

Garonne wasn't betrayed by his wife. She sacrifice herself to help take down Anankos, Garon died and then he got possessed.

[@MrSupersmash93]

@@nicolasbanidol2371 his other wives, the ones who started killing other family members

[@Picaro_12]

to be honest I would of been WAY way more mad if you had grima anywhere higher than Anankos

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

Anankos is worse than Garon, at least Garon is fun to watch being an irredimable villain unlike Anankos who appears out of nowhere and his story can be only enjoyed via 3 different DLC (Revelations, Heirs of fate and the Owain, Inigo and Selena DLC)

[@firenze6478]

I agree with aversa. She was terrible and her redemption felt so tacked on and forced. I would honestly rather of had vanguard general Dalton than her

[@brightlight8852]

I'd like to say that FE Awakening was my first FE and I thought that Grima was terrible too. The vanilla story is just bad. FEH and Cipher at first started to give Grima some characterization, but they keep back tracking it to go back to the vanilla story, which frankly just isn't very good.

[@Jdudec367]

Eh...the vanilla story really isn't bad but it could use some work. It is a decent story though, actually bad would be Fates and Engage tier writing.

[@brightlight8852]

It's not very good. The fact that there are stories are worse (made by the same people mind you) doesn't erase the fact that the story isn't very good. It just highlights how that group of devs haven't improved. Granted I have seen people actually change around the story to make it work. But it direct really matter because IS pushes the vanilla story so hard.

[@Jdudec367]

@@brightlight8852 It is decent though. I disagree, it honestly isn't that bad, at the very least most of the story isn't bad, (also did those same people also not make the Three Houses story too?). Except they have improved as Three Houses proved...so I dunno what happened with Engage. Well yeah and the vanilla story isn't that bad, there is a difference between great stories, decent stories, and actually bad stories. Same with like looking at Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn compared to Path of Radiance, yes Radiant Dawn has a worse story but that doesn't mean the story itself is bad.

[@brightlight8852]

@jaydenc367 No, even the devs admitted that the story for Awakening is shit, but that they don't know what people liked about it. The people who made Awakening are the very same people who created Kris. The people who made 3 Houses was a completely different team + KT. The team that made 3H was the team that made Echoes. They are also the ones in charge of the mobile game so no they haven't improved they've gotten worse.

[@Jdudec367]

@@brightlight8852 No they never admitted that, seriously I swear people say this kinda stuff all the time but never back it up or say when they said it. Was Kris even that bad? I mean yeah it's a different team but only 1 writer from Awakening worked on Fates, and Awakening had a lot of writers actually, also none of Echoes writers were on Three Houses either. also looking it up your wrong, the team who made 3H isn't the same team that made Echoes or at least is no more the team that made Echoes then the team that made Awakening and Fates too. The only difference is one added director but all 4 games already shared a director as is being Genki Yokota. Also one of the directors who made Echoes also worked on Engage so there is that too. Also not true, they have improved and they haven't gotten worse, literally when Genki Yokota left is when the stories got bad again.

[@Grand_Kaiserin_Elysium]

ya when i played engage and got to the final sombrom fight i was just like “why” because if you did the entire story but just removed the emblem of foundations thing and made it just “im done with your world im leaving” it would have been so much better cause instead of dumb reunite with friend that doesnt fit anything about the character, it would be “i know this will kill this entire world and everybody in it, IDGAF

[@darkjammin79]

I hate Validar with a passion. Agree that for a 'mastermind' he failed ALOT where as Aversa actually did succeed earlier in the story. That and how of all evil sorcerers in the series we've had in the series, HE was in Warriors?! Also Sombron, yea he bored me from the word go. And that ending attempt for motivation made me hate him even more. Perhaps it is because of the Four Hounds he doesn't quite make my blood boil, never thought of it that way,

[@TheMaestroMizerous]

No mention of the Duma cult huh surprised.

[@guydude439]

I must say, as Valtome's number one fan, I'm surprised he wasn't on this list. He's such an annoying, forgettable, and downright side-character type of villain that I feel like he deserves a spot on this list, especially since his design is so nasty. But I think stupidly pompous villains are great so I appreciate the gesture

[@CountShaman]

He's great at showcasing how far Elinicia has developed as a character, so he at least has that going for him. He's obnoxious, but he's not as fundamentally crap as he could've been.

[@guydude439]

@@CountShaman absolutely. I think he makes for a great plot device for Elincia, who is a GOOD character in stark contrast. Also, good list 👍

[@Hilversumborn]

@@CountShamanPlus seeing Zelgius choke him out made it all worth, not to mention you eventually kill him which is very cathartic.

[@dhisufiroafrozenseraphimdragon]

​@@guydude439I had fun voice acting Valtome while playing RD😁

[@guydude439]

@@dhisufiroafrozenseraphimdragon extremely based. Did you give him a nerdy voice or something else? I personally imagined him with the most manly and beautiful voice ever.

[@lunatic0verlord10]

It really says something about the Death Knight when Jeritza NEVER used his Death Knight identity in Three Hopes. Also, you forgot to mention the Lysithea memes.

[@CountShaman]

The Lysithea memes are a tad obvious, so everyone else can fill in those blanks themselves anyway. Plus, I had Death Knight served by Felix.

[@ryanator18]

I would vouch for Idunn being up there for just how irrelevant she is for the entire story of FE6 only to be the true final boss that comes about, after you've defeated the real nemesis that the entire story has been building up to at this point. Is she as 1 dimensional as the villains on this list? No. But man when I finished FE6 I couldn't help but feel disappointed for how off the last few chapters felt. Like they were just trying to bring back some Kaga secret events from the earlier entries in the series and didn't know how to interweave it other than to make a true ending with extra chapters. I get it though it's not meant to be the ending you experience if you go in blind, but it still irks me that the ending you get when you 100% the game is more anticlimactic than the ending to a few chapters earlier, especially because Zephiel is great. When every villain in fates is pretty garbage, Garon is still bad, but relatively it makes sense given the writing. Idunn just leaves me wanting more.

[@orangeslash1667]

Fates sadly had a very troubled development due to the three path was concept.

[@natk205]

My opinions on each of the 10 listed on this list: 10. I like Grima, as a Rearmed Hero in FEH. As a character? Yeah, not so much. 9. Jeritza's a powerful unit in CF. Deployed him in every main map possible during CF. Oh, Death Knight? Who dat? I only know him as Lysithea's Target Practice Simulator. 8. I only gave Hans a "promotion" in FEH because of his PRF weapon. His character sucks. 7. Seriously FEH? Seriously? You picked this Reinhardt-looking generic villain over Lekain as RD's GHB representative for Book 7? SERIOUSLY!?!? (Oh, and he's one of the 2 Book 7 GHB units without a personal weapon. Even Hans has one) 6. Wanna know why Anankos is called Seething Silence in FEH? Three words: Minimal Screen Time. 5. Nemesis did carry TWISTD. So much so in fact, that he was chosen as the 3H Dark Emblem rep. And speaking of Engage... 4. Veyle and the 4 Hounds had a much more intimidating presence than... this lizard, thing... (Seriously, why is Sombron's dragon form so much smaller than Grima and Anankos?) 3. How did Veld get the honor of being Thracia's Dark Emblem in Engage?! Travant was more intimidating than this slab of stone! 2. If we were even shown glimpses of Garon before he died and got replaced by that... glob thing, it would've made his overall position better. Just, yeah. 1. I literally forgot they even existed. FEH reminded me of their existence, but even then, I gave zero shits about them.

[@kjoeyb.]

maybe just a slight english error, but grima wasn't betrayed "by" his creator, he betrayed his creator (transitive rather than intransitive verb)

[@emilianoizanagi2245]

Ooh starting strong already with number 10? Aight let’s chess this shit.

[@lunatic0verlord10]

You know, considering that you put two ENTIRE ORGANIZATIONS high on the list, I say you should've at least mentioned Gristonne. Not only are they cookie cutter enemy kingdom, they have NOTHING original. Their king is generic as hell, his goal was LITERALLY the Evil Overlord's goal in TERRIBLE WRITING ADVICE, and the kingdom has even WORSE designs than Grimeal, because at least the latter HAS unique designs, when these guys ONLY use palette swaps of generic units. The whole kingdom has NO MOTIVES, aside from their king. They have so little personality they might as well just be cardboard cutouts in armor. We're told they used to be at peace with Aytolis, but from their behavior, they were either lying the whole time (other than Darios who had NO idea what was going on) or they all work on what can best be described as a "good switch & evil switch" that only their king has access to. I am even willing to say that they're WORSE than your number 1 pick, since they have no one who is even REMOTELY interesting among their ranks, and the members who have the most personality are the CROSSOVER VILLAINS they brought in WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATIONS. It really says something when VALIDAR is more interesting than ANYONE among Gristonne's forces.

[@CountShaman]

The thing about Gristonne is that they're... mook villains. There just isn't much to say about them other than that they're boring and generic. It's hard to be that disappointed with them either since it's the first title in a spinoff series and there isn't much expectations being set to begin with. The focus has always been clearly on the pre-existing characters brought into the game.

[@lunatic0verlord10]

@@CountShaman But still, the fact that they make VALIDAR look interesting is worth at least a dishonorable mention.

[@falconpunch19]

After I watched your Top 10 Best Modern Villains, I figured I'd come and see your Top 10 worst villains. And I can really agree that the modern villains have been...pretty lacking. I've got comments for pretty much all of them, and I'd like to make a couple of dishonorable mentions of my own from Heroes: #10: Yeah...I've got some choice words for Grima. As a concept, Grima is so awesome! But...the fact that they're also pretty much just Robin from the future just feels weird and confusing. The fact that the Grimas get so much attention in Heroes also gets *really* annoying... #9: I legitimately forgot Jeritza/The Death Knight was supposed to be a villain. To be fair, I played Crimson Flower and not any other route, but the fact that he disappeared in the base game was kind of a letdown. At least they fixed that with a later patch making him playable, but I get why you put him up here, given that on any other route he's just...there. You know, kinda like the Agarthans. #8: Ah, nice to know we have a generic mook who loves killing on our team! And with none of the charm unlike the likes of Kempf and Griss. Plus his design is pretty bad. #7: While I haven't played Radiant Dawn, I can certainly see why Ludveck was pretty badly handled from your point of view. #6: I thought Anankos was an interesting idea on paper, but with all of the flaws that Fates' storytelling has, at least they tried to tell a different story with each one, even if they rendered it all moot with Garon/Anankos...wow, just like the Agarthans again. I'm starting to see a pattern here... At least his boss fight is awesome. RIP Revelation though, as now it's unable to be obtained through normal means, possibly forever. #5: Hoo boy, I've got a lot of words to say about the Agarthans... Like I said in your Top 10 Best Modern Villains video, they're so one-note and boring that I wonder why they even tried to paint everyone as morally gray when these guys are absolutely black in morality. Actually, I think that might be why I love Crimson Flower more than any other route; I never cared about the Agarthans at all, compared to how much I loved the clash between Edelgard and Rhea's points of views on what is best for the world. The Agarthans meanwhile, were just generic cult villains with none of the charm...well, at least Kronya, Thales, and Cornelia look neat, but other than that...they're terrible. And Arval/Epidementes doesn't fix the problem with them. I just wish that they cut these guys out and didn't pussy out on the "there is no true bad guy" feel the game initially had... #4: Sombron sucks big time. Hyacinth and his daughters felt tragic and Veyle did too, and the Four Hounds were pretty good villains, but Sombron is so boring and forgettable as a villain... #3: The weirdest and perhaps most underwhelming final boss in the whole game. Honestly, Thracia as a whole was...weird. #2: Garon is so poorly written that he's basically become a cautionary tale in the Fire Emblem franchise, and I can see why. You know it's bad when Hyacinth does everything Garon does better. Honestly, Ivy and Hortensia are one of my favorite characters just for how relatable they are, at least to me. But Garon is SO horribly written and obviously evil that there's literally no contest over who is the real villain and what is going to happen. Oh no, Garon was the villain and turned out to be an evil king being controlled by a giant dragon. We totally didn't see *that* coming from a thousand fucking miles away! #1: I really need to play Awakening for myself, but I have heard that the villains, especially Validar, suck so bad. Why can't these modern games do villains right?! Well, no offense to Engage for giving us actually GOOD villains, but still... And for my Dishonorable Mentions for Heroes villains would have to be Hel and Ótr. Hel is the main villain of Book III and is the embodiment of death itself. Her design is absolutely on point and she feels like a genuine threat...so watch as she does nothing for most of the story while one of her generals (Lif) hogs the entire spotlight, and she dies like every other mook. Otr meanwhile, is so poorly written that I honestly can't see why ANYONE would like him. It's like the writers couldn't decide whether to make him a hate sink or a sympathetic villain, so they do this awkward middle ground where he hates Reginn for...trying to take his brother Fáfnir away from him? What the fuck?!

[@user-unos111]

What if in a future Fire Emblem you played as a villain protagonist?

[@milesedgeworth8683]

Well at least Arval/Epimenides is an interesting Agarthan since he feels less like a cultist and expresses actual care for others

[@milesedgeworth8683]

Like he is not the best but compare him with Thales, at least here you can believe that he has no malicious intent other than killing Sothis

[@firenze6478]

Should duma really count as part of # 10 after echoes? He’s an example of the opposite extreme of mila who went mad as he neared death yet feared that his people were too weak to go on without him

[@CountShaman]

Not really. He's one of the better evil dragons in the series. My only gripe is that I kinda like his FE2 design more and I wished they really went all in with the molten chthulu-like appearance instead of just a dragon with missing polygons. Otherwise, he's fine.

[@firenze6478]

@@CountShaman I do like his original design more but he got some much needed backstory at least along with real motivations beyond mad snail disease

[@shamiyama0505]

I know Ephidel is in dishonorable mentioned and yes it sucks you never get to fight him and he dies in a cutscene. To defend my boy and favorite morph. He still did a lot of things which he succeeded in and is responsible for. Getting all tje Nobles to the Black Fangs side and kill those who didn't? Exposing Leila as spy and let her get Executed. Causing the Laus rebellion against Ostia and get Darim as ally. Prolly kidnapped Elbert,Eliwoods father. And brought Ninian back to Nergal after she escaped. So yeah he caused a lot and succeeded and i wish he got more love but sadly because you can't fight him. He gets overshadowed by Sonia and Limstella. Heck even Denning and Kishuna despite Ephidel being the mastermind of the early game of Eliwood/Hector route.

[@isaaccollins4533]

At least with Cornelia, 3 houses and 3 hopes do make her a great villain.

[@CountShaman]

Until it's revealed she's some random nobody in disguise.

[@isaaccollins4533]

@@CountShaman Yeah, that when Cornelia falls apart. Also with Hans, he is a threat in both Birthright and Conquest.

[@vittoriopugliese3352]

Imagine if FE18 had a dark wizard cultist... as the main lord and the hero of the story

[@CountShaman]

There are some fangames that did have dark mages as protags, though they're obviously not cultists. Still, the idea is unsursprisingly common.

[@vittoriopugliese3352]

@@CountShaman I would really love a protagonist that is either a dark mage or a healer

[@orangeslash1667]

@@vittoriopugliese3352 I'm worried that Intelligent Systems is making sacrifices to pander to a wider audience. The good news is that there are Strategy game alternatives.

[@Hilversumborn]

@@CountShamanI would love to see a Laguz as a main character.

[@jaivonpyatt6905]

23:40 dropping lots of F Bombs on Veld

[@NapaCat]

I think Anankos was close to being good in Forgotten Truths, but we needed to see more of his sane side.

[@gregster1016]

Honestly, I think Thales is the worst Fire Emblem villain of all time, ESPECIALLY after Azure Gleam. Even besides the fact that Thales and the Slitherers are garbage villains for being an evil cult shoehorned into a morally gray story, and being very incompetent at that, there's two reasons as to why I consider Thales the worst, all thanks to Azure Gleam's dogshit writing. 1. Swapping an interesting antagonist such as Edelgard for a generic Gharnef like Thales via brainwashing is just an objectively bad trade 2. It makes Thales an absolute dumbass in retrospect, because it raises the question of why the hell doesn't Thales do this in any other route between the two games. Giving Thales this ability that he could do at any time but just doesn't for no logical reason singlehandedly destroys the entire Fodlan story in half.

[@CountShaman]

There were multiple times where I was tempted to put the Agarthans higher, possibly even #1. The reason I didn't is because I personaly measure these villains based on how salvagable they are. Compared to the top 4, the Agarthans at least has a cool concept that I would love to see put into motion in a story that compliments them better. But in terms of incalculable stupidity and inconsistency, they're up there with the Grimleals.

[@gregster1016]

@@CountShaman I’d still honestly consider Thales worse tbh, simply cuz the Agarthans actively make the story worse just by existing, not to mention Thales is even more of an idiot than Validar is

[@LAZERAK47V2]

The Agarthans are actually far more complex than people realize, but a lot of their lore is left to tidbits and also rendered uncertain by the fact that most of the lore we have on them is told by Rhea, who has shown a willingness to lie and twist history to suit her needs. Even when revealing the truth, it isn't the ENTIRE truth, but HER version of it. The way she tells it is that Fodlan was a desolate wasteland before the arrival of Sothis, who she calls the "Progenitor god" and the source of all life. But this is false. We know that humans existed in Fodlan BEFORE Sothis arrived, as the Agarthans already existed at that point. Not only that, they had their own pantheon (meaning they aren't opposed to the divine), which implies that they had a functioning society with an organized religion. So this "goddess" appears on their home and creates an entire race of what is essentially monsters and usurps the established order. Naturally, native people don't appreciate when someone shows up to their home and decides they're in charge. So the Agarthans fought against Sothis, who in their eyes, is an invader and the mother of monsters. And it's not like Sothis herself is as good as Rhea claims she is. Remember that in 3 Hopes, Sothis hasn't lost her memory, and she is far more ruthless and authoritative, demanding that Byleth submit to her, even preying on their fragile emotional state, should Shez end up killing Jeralt. Sothis taking over Byleth's body completely destroys them, leaving a shell for her to occupy. Rhea knew this as well, and had no qualms about killing Byleth to bring Sothis back, even calling them a failure should Byleth side with Edelgard. In other words, Rhea never actually cared for Byleth and everything she had done prior to the timeskip was all for the purpose of killing them and reviving Sothis. She would've told herself that it was a "necessary sacrifice", unlike Edelgard, who actually feels the weight of the lives that will be lost in her war, Rhea does NOT care for the lives of humans if they get in her way. One could argue that it was only after she snapped that she became that ruthless, but consider that she's been ruling Fodlan since the dawn of the Empire and has done NOTHING to change the toxic societal environment that SHE was responsible for, instead happy to let innocents suffer if it meant she would remain in control. So, how does this relate to the Agarthans? Well, it shows that, in the past, they may NOT have been as evil as they are portrayed. Instead of a power-hungry and greedy people (as stated by Rhea), they may have simply been native people fighting against monsters and a false god. Remember that, even though the Agarthans are evil, a LOT of their plans involve making OTHER people stronger (Nemesis, the 12 Elites, Loog and Edelgard). Yes, they use them as pawns in their game, but clearly they aren't as power-hungry as Rhea claims, or they'd hoard that power for themselves. Not a single Agarthan is capable of using Hero's Relics, despite the fact that they are capable of infusing others with Crests (Nemesis) and even successfully implanted two Crests in a single person (Lysithea and Edelgard), and yet they never make use of this power themselves. The modern Agarthans are absolutely comically evil, no question. But I'm quite certain that they didn't start out that way, only degenerating the way they did through a long life underground, devoid of sunlight and contact with others, simmering in their collective hatred for the humans who fought alongside Rhea (Seiros) and the remaining Nabateans. When your entire society essentially becomes an echo chamber, you'd probably be comically evil as well.

[@CountShaman]

In other words, it's just a copy-paste of the Loptyr clan's story, but slightly more accurate than the Grimleals. That said, all of this would matter if the game actually cares to have it addressed and demonstrated properly instead of relegating them to the role that they are and have Epimenedes cram it all into last minute exposition. It just further shows how badly put together Three Houses' story is when they can't even do that for one of the most crucial factions in the game.

[@nicolasbanidol2371]

Hope that someday they are going to make a remake of the Fodlan Saga where they give a route to all five major factions, including the Agarthans. Maybe even Almyra.

[@joeyjjmoore]

I agree Human Sombrom is ungodly generic and boring, but I found his dragon form pretty cool and unique, though Engage is also my first FE.

[@steffent.6477]

Problem with the Grimleals is that they worship the literal death of humanity. What's the point?

[@paulman34340]

So essentially Sombron isn't so bad BECAUSE the Medeus effect (Final Boss BARELY getting too much screen time in Fire Emblem) worked in his favor LOL. Yeah, I found him interesting, but out of EVERYONE who were essentially the writers doing Awakening and Fates all over again by using Archetypes of THOSE characters! He is the WORSE for Anankos who already is his own type of bad! Hyacinth as you pointed out in Top 11 Modern Villains is Garon DONE RIGHT, and what I liked about Veyle AND Fell Princess Veyle is the fact she reminded me of JUST HOW BADLY they underutilized Lilith in Fates who COULD have been what they did with Veyle. The Hounds LAUGH at Iago and Hans, Lumera is Arete, Sumeragi and ESPECIALLY Mikoto done BETTER (Specifically the being reanimated and corrupted by the villain as I DID feel sadness from the situation, her death didn't do too much for me, but her revival did make me feel for her and her death from Ch3, 2.0 style actually WORKED this time with me, I actually felt sadness,) And Alear is CORRIN done WAY BETTER. While their Direction and most of the cutscenes are CRINGE, there are PARTS and cutscenes I will NEVER skip (like the first time Alear summons and uses Marth, that scene and the music was AWESOME and for as much as the Gollum speak shit show Veyle and Fell Princess Veyle was, I did like the scene of her freeing herself to "Engage OST" LOL it's LITERALLY "Guile's theme makes everything better" and the ONLY reason I don't skip the scene in general despite the fact the speaking to YOURSELF makes me LAUGH. I'll say this, I didn't find myself SKIPPING cutscenes like I did with Fates when I replay (Fates I SKIP cutscenes on SIGHT after a first run, Conquest is the ONLY one I DON'T do it too much as for it's issues, I actually enjoyed THAT story more then Birthright and Revelations) To me, Engage is an Average story, not GREAT, but not DOGSHIT like so many of the haters seem to TRY to label it. It could do better and I HOPE they do, but it wasn't OFFENSIVE to me or deter me from enjoying the characters, world and game! (But then I'm a Weirdo who still has 3Houses when it seems you're REQUIRED to sell 3Houses if you DARE play Engage! Seems so with HOW they act like Engage ATE 3Houses and they can never play it again with so much HATE! But then that's nothing new, the hatedom in the Community ALWAYS dog on the new and OLD entry EVERYTIME WITHOUT FAIL! So I'm not surprise both games are getting HATE they don't deserve! I LOVE them both, and find myself playing them right after BEATING a playthrough of the other.....while playing Fates since I still have my 3DS in working order LOL! But my favortism is Engage FEELS like a Fire Emblem game I'm use to! I love 3Houses but I'm also the type of weirdo who believes "Thracia 776 is a BETTER game then Genealogy! FIGHT ME You'll never change my mind! And I don't hate ANY Entry of Fire Emblem. I played them all (I just won't be REPLAYING FE1-3 after beating them ONCE! FE 4-17 however I WILL replay as many times as I can! Though NONE beat PATH OF RADIANCE in my HEART! (POR is my NUMBER 1, 3 Houses AND Engage are both my number 2 and Fates Conquest is my Number 3.....Blazing Sword is number 0 because it was my FIRST FE that got me INTO the series, like the rest of us AMERICANS it was the FIRST we got, and I got it the moment it came out cause I confused Eliwood for Roy in Melee when looking at Upcoming games when I got the SP! Still had fun, was shocked at the ending to realize it was a PREQUEL to a ENTRY we never GOT and STILL didn't get! "Smooth Nintendo!" But It's not my NUMBER 1, started Day 1 buying every Fire Emblem after it, Sacred Stones, POR, you get the idea, still do as Engage was RIGHT next to my BIRTHDAY!)

[@kirinbobarcana]

For my personal opinions on the villains i know of: Emperor rudolph: honestly a rather sympathetic villain, if anything, Berkut and jedah are more of the villains of shadows of valentia. The idea that a powerful boss wont attack a specific unit already sent a message to me saying, "wait a minute, why is alm the only one rudolph wont attack?" Only to realize after that he was Alm's father. If there was an option to spare Rudolph, i would 100% pick that option every time! Berkut: definitely a fun antagonist to hate, until it actually gets sad when he founds out his life was a lie. While he is fun to fight, i eventually felt sorry for him falling so far into madness. Jedah: delightfully devilish! A truly despicable man taking advantage of the situation and corrupting Celica (for one cutscene but still), also, screw this guy's fights! I try and try to attack him without putting my team in danger and "uh whoops sorry! I just didnt feel like getting hit!" Duma: awesome zombie like design, powerful, omnipresent, and sending out so many eyeballs it would make a thousand eye monster jealous. Grima: an incredible (if not confusing) plot twist involving the main character, and the fact that you still dont win in the end makes it sound that much more intimidating. Gotta love the extra content given to it in the 3ds echoes game, and the fact that a baby grima can beat duma without even taking a scratch just make him that much more terrifying. Garon: Basically ganondorf if he was a human... and dead. Anankos: I dont know a damn thing about this clown! Nothing in the base games even eludes to his existence except maybe conquest, and by the end he feels like an after thought. You know its bad when TAKUMI made for a more climactic final fight, let that sink in.

[@JD10503]

I think they had an interesting idea with Anankos, in that he could have been a parallel to Corrin. I mean he's instigating a war because people forgot about him, IIRC. So, they really could have contrasted his isolation with Corrin's. But like with so many other things in Fates, good ideas, bad implementation.

[@kirinbobarcana]

@@JD10503 still, it's kind of a problem if he's only mentioned and seen in 2 of the 3 paths, and birthright completely forgot him! How Ironic actually.

[@sjk8495]

While my impression is that the Three Houses cast is the best one in the franchise and one of the best in gaming, TWSITD are easily the weakest part of that cast except for Anna (who might not even count since she barely gets anything good or bad character wise). And if a future Fire Emblem game can create a cast not only comparable to that of Houses but also improve the main protagonist/avatar and villains to be as good as the playable cast of Houses, such a future cast would automatically be better than the Houses cast (since the villains are weak and Byleth could have been better).

[@kaffka9221]

Honestly I didn't care too much about the Slitherers being weak villains. Between Edelgard and Rhea, the writing of the antagonists already did an amazing job conveying the theme of grey morality as well as making the audience feel awful about killing them that sometimes, it's just satisfying to finally rally against a faction who is evil for the sake of being evil.

[@sjk8495]

@@kaffka9221 Yeah and as I mentioned, the lords and playable characters carry the quality of the Three Houses cast. TWSITD don't quite drag it down but are just eh for me in terms of character quality. But even with TWSITD, there is still plenty of moral grey since not all of Fodlan's issues can be tied to them. The fact we still have Houses debates over who's right and who's wrong despite the existence of TWSITD says a lot.

[@nikoladedic6623]

Well, Grima works with all the additions by Echoes and Heroes. Just by Awakening, not really.

[@digitalwarrior5862]

i agree a lot! i think for the future of Fire Emblem, they need to take a good break from Dragons and Cults as villains and focus on other types of villains such as making a game where you are forced to choose a side in a war in Fire Emblem where one side wants to save the country through magic while the other side wants to do so through technology and they oppose each other cause they feel that the other will doom it

[@samkeiser9776]

I think the thing is that FE needs compelling themes to have a good story, the evil dragon cult would be more ok if they somehow tied into a powerful theme, but in awakening, fates, and engage, the evil dragon cults basically don’t have any reason to exist except to be evil.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@samkeiser9776 I'm worried that Intelligent Systems is making sacrifices to pander to a wider audience. The good news is that there are Strategy game alternatives.

[@samkeiser9776]

@@orangeslash1667 it’s disappointing, though I think it’s more like they’re selecting for a specific audience, but imo poorly. Fire Emblem Engage feels like it’s trying to be reminiscent of Fire Emblem Heroes, between it being lower mov, having class types (mystic, armored, etc) having FE characters from other games, and a gatcha with the bond rings. And the cast of FE Engage feels a lot like the fates cast, in that a lot of them seem like they’re supposed to have quirks that IS thinks people will enjoy or fill archetypes that IS thinks are appealing. It feels like IS wants to get people to like FE characters like how people like Genshin characters, individual characters get following because they exist, and maybe their character trailer was good, or they were present in the story, and people like their design and/or personality and that’s basically all it take for them to have a fanbase. But imo FE is bad at that, I’d say of Engage’s cast the characters that actually succeed at gaining widespreed popularity would probably be Yunaka, Ivy, Diamant, Alcryst, and Lapis, but people don’t like the engage cast more than the FE3H cast overall because they existed in a world that felt like it had more to it. They really are selecting a target audience that responds well to characters that exist as standalone things to like. That all said, it feels pretty surface level in a lot of ways now.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@samkeiser9776 I recommend ether Triangle Strategy, Valkyria Chronicles, or the Last Spell as Fire Emblem alternatives. In other good news I found a manga called Fire Emblem if: The Crown of Nibelung, which made King Garon a bit more menacing.

[@gagrim1366]

The geron in fates is not even the real on the only time the real garon shows up is in the third route were he dies after being free from the villains control I think they should of added flashback scene's that shows him being a good person

[@Zabes10]

Sombrom is not perfect but I will not consider him top 5 worst villan for a few reason. For one like Most versions of ganondorf his "reasons" are more excuses for power and revenge and we can see these perfectly in the alear conversaotion and the twin dragons from the dlc were we see that he says that ones he goes to another world he will forget everyone which he does with his other children. Second but most importantly he is puré evil unlike most three houses villians and he knows it, that what he is doing is bad but he does not care he is a Dragon a selfish creature that only wants something that he consider precious and nothing more Side note I really line the Pandreo and Maviuer support but it with everything that sombrom does in the story it make Zero sence why people especially mauvier who has seen first hand all of Sombrom's action worthship him for other dragon I can get the logic but not for him

[@jessepeterson6694]

19:59 Yet another countdown artist has slipped into the vtuber rabbit hole i see. PRAISE CHAOS!!

[@CountShaman]

Who are the other ones

[@jessepeterson6694]

@@CountShaman Joshscorcher.

[@CountShaman]

@@jessepeterson6694 Ah, see. Those edits were either mine or scripted by me.

[@kiamosky4340]

how on earth did you enjoy engage that much? 😭

[@gingermint1230]

Can people not enjoy games you don’t enjoy? I enjoyed engage so much it become my second fav in the series and that’s completely fine 🙄

[@kai_824]

Because it actually a fun game that isn't meant to be taken too serious

[@joegreen3802]

@@gingermint1230 Yeah, I have to admit, while the story was lame, I did have fun playing through the game.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@kai_824 Problem it's not funny, but the Disgaea series is.

[@lunatic0verlord10]

20:00 Funny you pick HER, considering who did the designs of Engage.

[@robertdelrosario8080]

Personally, I like Jeritza more than I like the Death Knight...

[@tristennorris3725]

Count shaman same feelings and I agree sombron or I like call him edge lord cobra dragon

[@usvidragonslayer3091]

I cant believe Jedah from SoV isnt in this video. Despite having a excellent voice actor and screen time, Jedah remains the same as he is in Gaiden. With no backstory, no character delevopment & no redeeming qualities, I find Jedah to be as generic as they come.

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

I mean he's generic but he serves his role quite well and offers a good difficult fight

[@Jdudec367]

Fair enough about not liking the Dragon archetype much but I would say Grima is honestly not that bad of a villain. They didn't mess it up. The doppelganger plot was a good idea though and made sense with how Robin was meant to be the vessel for Grima and how it connects back to the beginning scene of Awakening where we see Robin kill Chrom. It really isn't lame at all. Interesting stuff was done with the idea, the whole scene with Lucina trying to kill Robin because of that plotline is one example of interesting stuff that was done with the idea. Sure they didn't switch places with Robin which is missed potential but they did have a psychological confrontation being when they first meet each other. So no it isn't just there. The plan does make sense. They follow Lucina into another timeline to stop her from being able to change their timeline or at least get a big enough force and army to go back into the future and fight their Grima and actually win. Yes they intervened right after Validar was killed so what? No they should be able to do something after that. No the fact that they can at all doesn't mean that their worries are at all pointless as they had a right to be worried since Lucina very much could have turned the war against them around in her favor. The plan to combine the two Grima's powers was fine and made perfect sense. Something was done from a gameplay standpoint when it comes to these two working together being that they both attack you during the fight. Sure you don't fight the Dragon itself which is seriously missed potential but the dragon still attacks you and engages with the fight itself. Grima wasn't ruined by a gimmicky payoff. Eh...Awakening didn't do it that bad really. Eh even without Echoes and Heroes Grima is still pretty cool really. Ok Awakening was my first FE but you're wrong, what Grima really is isn't a overrated let down at all, heck wasn't Grima pretty hated or at least kind of hated back then? Yeah Grima really isn't overrated at all.

[@konstantinos-iliasstrempas4594]

in my opinion he just made this video to shit on modern fe

[@Jdudec367]

@@konstantinos-iliasstrempas4594it can seem like that I mean just look at all the top worst villains.

[@konstantinos-iliasstrempas4594]

@@Jdudec367 i hate these kinds of people who they have to see everything with the most insignificante detail

[@orangeslash1667]

@@konstantinos-iliasstrempas4594 I'm worried that Intelligent Systems is making sacrifices to pander to a wider audience. The good news is that there are Strategy game alternatives.

[@konstantinos-iliasstrempas4594]

@@orangeslash1667 what do you mean?

[@GeaForce]

I'm still salty you can't romance Hans in Fates

[@CountShaman]

You can romance Peri, who's basically the same character lmao

[@humanbeing44]

Man hans never hurt anyone and you gonna slander him like this

[@CountShaman]

That's only in Birthright and Revelations. In Conquest, he hurts my eyes by appearing on-screen way too often and I don't think that's very nice.

[@GatorRay]

Here's two I can name from Heroes. Surtr & Gullveig. The former for being so painfully boring. Not to mention irritating to fight against that IS & Nintendo made it no longer possible for him to appear outside of the story maps (And then they gave him an alt on the pirate banner. WHY) And the latter well *SPOILERS FOR BOOK 7* The second most recent chapter's plot twist has (To me) turned Book 7's story into a twisted version of Armageddon 2001.

[@zenronez1158]

What happened to Surtr and with IS and Nintendo can you explain?

[@GatorRay]

@@zenronez1158 FEH's player base complained about battling Surtr so much that he was made unable to spawn on maps for stuff like Tempest Trials.

[@zenronez1158]

@@GatorRay Thank you for explaining this.

[@GatorRay]

@@zenronez1158 No problem.

[@MrSanchez159]

Inaccurate, fake news, i watched this whole thing and you didnt mention the most vile evil one. Fishing, how am i suposed to take this list serious, he is in 2 games on 2 different universes.

[@CountShaman]

I thought Fishing was a pretty good villain. Not the best, but it did a great job at sucking up the protagonist's support time.

[@SmapBelmondo]

11:44 brigand boss cof cof

[@Keyblade_Warrior_Izaya]

Unpopular opinion, but I actually like the Agarthans. They're not amazing by any means, but they serve their purpose for being an intimidating and dangerous threat in the first half of the game. Second half, not as much but I digress. They have their faults, and your points on why they don't work are actually solid, but I enjoy them for what they are. Then again, I'm also biased since Three Houses is my favorite Fire Emblem game. Also, their theme is fire!

[@Laurmachi]

Yeah uh... Nah, the other villains in Engage suffer the same way that Sombron does. Minus Hyacinth. Like dang the really want me to care about the Four Hounds seconds before they die with no prior setup before hand. If they didn't try to force that down my throat, I would've liked them a lot more.

[@gdassspar6nar]

God,why does three houses look so ugly?

[@michellep3814]

bruh you’re right