Top 10 Worst Moments in Marvel Comics

[@woltersworld]

most depressing video on youtube... so many horrible atrocities done to spiderman fans...

[@Logan912]

At least Civil War did lead to Death of Captain America which is one of my favorite Captain America arcs. But it also lead to One More Day...

[@DarthSolid9]

I liked it too man. Also felt it made a great end to the winter soldier and new beginning for Bucky. Great story!

[@FlamingoKicker]

Didn't sound like it made much sense though having Captain America saying heroes should have to reveal their identities. He is a solider that EVERYONE knows the identity of so why would he care? That goes against his whole character. But then again how many times has Captain America "resigned" for allegedly honorific reasons? Watergate? Iran-Contra? blah blah blah

[@SlaughterTITAN]

Phil Adams Actually, they did a really good job of explaining why he was Anti-Reg during the event. The biggest tenant being who he is, regardless of the public knowing his identity, he also took the stand to defend the others and their loved ones from being targeted by other parties. I would say it most definitely fits in with his character in a big way... the defense of freedom...

[@chasedoesgaming4315]

Oh god, that Liefield cover in #7...the 90s truly WAS a dark time!!!

[@chasedoesgaming4315]

"Im gonna make my own comic book company! With Black Jack, and Hookers. Except without the Black Jack...and Hookers...and anatomy...or good story lines...or any substance..." And so IMAGE comics was born XD

[@chasedoesgaming4315]

My problem with Image is that for every Robert Kirkman there are 10 Liefields and McFarlanes.

[@conradojavier]

+TopTenz YOUNGBLOOD'S DISEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@cha5]

+Chase Does Gaming True, Although at least Brian K. Vaughn's & Fiona Staples 'Saga' and Scott Snyder's 'Wytches' among certain other Image titles are really coming into their own and are finding an audience that wants something with more substance than the latest issue of Spawn & Youngblood ilk.

[@jmedia1102]

+Chase Does Gaming Yeah, comics sold in the millions per issue, not in the thousands like today.

[@liverusrock6789]

i'm sorry but saying Civil War is worse than Sins Past is wrong, it's just wrong.

[@jonathanlumsden7247]

Civil War is on the list primarily, I think, because of how quickly the Pro Registration heroes resorted to underhanded tactics to get their 'victory'. Cloning Thor, the clone then quickly murdering Goliath, offering pardons to super villains whom they knew were murderers, Bullseye, Green Goblin, Venom etc in exchange for helping them hunt down people who were their friends. And that despite that Tony Stark and Mr. Fantastic have never actually paid any sort of penance for their actions. The closest they came to being punished was when The Hulk kicked the crap out of both of them in WWH and almost had Reed crush Stark's head with a mace.

[@kylenguyen7371]

All I can say about "One More Day" is that the whole issue could have been avoided if Peter just looked at the origins of Johnny Blaze. Any Ghost Rider fan would tell you nothing good ever comes from deals with the devil(s).

[@ZachsMind]

Sorry. You shoulda kept One More Day on the top of the list. The destruction of the Ultimates storyline was inevitable. What's the point of making a series of comic book outside the established universe if you can't do anything and everything to it that you can't do to the established universe, and then blow it up and start over? The problem with One More Day is bigger than just the fact a hero makes a deal with a devil. The repercussions of One More Day affect everyone around Spider-Man. Not just that line. How many attended that wedding that now don't remember it? How many became friends with Mary Jane? Surely Iron Man wasn't the only one who knew, before Peter told everyone at the end of Civil War. It should not be possible for even someone as powerful as Mephisto to pull off without pissing off a lot of other equally powerful entities, some of which benefitted from how things were and would either remember the difference or eventually piece together something's fishy. And Mephisto's powers are not reality warping like Scarlet Witch. He's largely been more about illusion. Outside of Amazing Spider-Man 545 i don't recall him having the power to literally manipulate time. So all he's done is wrap the world in an illusion that Peter Parker is single and Aunt May is still alive. That's an awful lot of effort just for the satisfaction of ticking off a soul so presumably untarnishable as Peter's. So. Which is it? Which reality is the illusion? And just how many people are affected by this? How can Mephisto be that powerful? Would Thanos see a ring on Peter Parker's finger when no one else can? Not that he'd care, but would others who might care? Would Odin notice? Would Thor be able to see through this illusion? The upshot of this was that Marvel wanted to return Spider-Man essentially to where he was when he started. Single. Young. With an aunt. They go off on these tangents and then when their result no longer resembles what their stock holders think makes the character valuable, they panic and retcon. Recently I've heard Thor's gonna become a woman and nobody cares cuz we know after two years of this someone somewhere will just hit the reset button on Thor and he'll be back the way he always has been. Prior to One More Day, Spider-Man had matured into someone who should have been allowed to face his identity and should have been mature enough now to face the mortality of his aunt, but instead the editors panicked, and hit the reset button. Again. However, it's not a reset. It's not even a band aid. Mephisto may be powerful but he's not THE most powerful character in the Marvel universe. Spider-Man's marriage still exists. It's just one demon making everybody think it's not there, and if Aunt May is really still dead, then who's parading about as Aunt May? They can make another Ultimates. Call it something else. One More Day is a maelstrom of madness just waiting for a decent writer to come along and give it a tug, and that could either be a great story that will affect many characters across Marvel, or it'll be the new top of this pile of crap and people will just stop reading these comics cuz no characters are ever really allowed to face change. There's always an opportunity to go back to the beginning and start over again.

[@vaibhavyadav7928]

It still pains me beyond reason how wrong the writers were to make a storyline as twisted as Sins Past! What they did with Gwen in this storyline was sacrilegious!

[@Nightman221k]

***** Agreed. It made no sense in the history of the character. Gwen and Norman never shared any scenes together that would have ever had any implication of any feelings at all, well other than the time he murdered her. Gwen was fiercely loyal to Peter and was concerned about him more than anything. And she was the best friend to Harry even before college and at the time that they retconned Gwen's pregnancy, Harry had been dealing with serious drug abuse. There is no way in hell that Gwen would ever hurt her friends and boyfriend so much because her whole character was focused on her caring nature and how much she wanted the best for her friends and Peter. Sins Past should have been retconned out of existence (a lot of people say it was during House of M or whatever event it was but I think Marvel needs to out-right shun it like J. Michael Straczynski has because even he felt it was shit)

[@mr.awsome1135]

Of course when Spiderman is a clone for a few comics everyones angry but when Howard the duck has been a clone for decades no one gets mad

[@futureblue49]

No one got mad because no reads it.

[@kanoy7817]

no one got mad because no one knew it

[@ThePsychoLemon]

I got mad...

[@KenGKaiden]

two years isn't a few comics man

[@asasphinx]

I cant believe I missed a comic where Spiderman sacrifices his marriage to the 'devil'.

[@sabergreen2010]

I know this is a month late but consider yourself lucky.

[@asasphinx]

sabergreen2010 i feel lucky , it just sounds stupid , probably would make me have something to hate about spiderman

[@sabergreen2010]

Stupid is an understatement.

[@asasphinx]

sabergreen2010 so do you think it was good , bad , or a bit of both and would the comic be worth reading

[@sabergreen2010]

AbstractBlaze Bad and not worth reading. I'm not saying there weren't good stories after it. But no good stories afterwards have been the result of OMD. You're better off not wasting your money on that piece of crap. I do however know some good stories you can check out. I highly reccomend checking out the Scarlet Spider and New Warriors series by Christopher Yost.

[@gnu13]

That awkward moment when you actually liked Civil War...

[@chelcarautoboutique8471]

juegos de espiderman

[@shoutenry]

It's okay to _like_ Civil War, it's just that basically everything that was important and world changing about it was retcon'd almost immediately... The entire Civil War had basically no lasting effects whatsoever... so killing Goliath, which was seemingly permanent, also happened for no reason. Killing Cap was pathetically see through impermanent and just for shock value. Killing Aunt May was just a way to get Spider-Man out of is relationship with MJ.

[@Jovocaine]

After reading these comments I think the majority of people like the Civil War. The Poster is defiantly in the minority.

[@PACR66]

Civil War was ok for those that just started into comics, for those that had years reading comics was some dumb crap, the best of the event are the tie ins, and not the main event, like Spider-man dealing with his stuff.

[@samm2363]

Agree with everything but Civil War.

[@hellbilly69101]

I agree. Civil War was actually a good one

[@Jimvanhise]

Civil War was good but had problems. In the Civil War mini-series, Sue Storm quitting the Fantastic Four is portrayed completely different from the issue of Fantastic Four where the same incident appears. When Peter Parker reveals his identity to the world, Marvel claimed that this was the status quo and would not "magically go away." One year later it magically went away, which had to have basically erased the Civil War as well. Oh, and you left out the worst part of Ultimates 3, where the first issue revealed that Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch were not just brother and sister, but lovers as well.

[@Backfromthedeadguy]

One More Day was the worst story I have ever read. It was toxic.

[@killamonjaromon]

Here's a lesson that shouldn't have had to be learned - don't kill off, disgrace or completely and randomly reverse the personality of the most well known and famous characters.

[@killamonjaromon]

***** Yea. It makes me loose respect for them when they show little respect for the readers or the universe they love.

[@VerneditheSnail]

I was an avid comic book reader 10 years ago. Ultimate Marvel got me into reading comics. It was the perfect universe for new readers unfamiliar with mainstream Marvel. With Ultimate Marvel, all you had to do was pick up two or three ongoing titles (Ultimate Spidey, Ultimate X-Men, and Ultimate Fantastic Four), and one or two miniseries (Ultimates, Ultimates 2, Ultimate War, Ultimate Extinction, Ultimate Six, etc). On average I would spend $15 a month. Easy and accessible to a 12-year-old's allowance, in my opinion. Thanks to the easy continuity, great stories, ambitious realism, pop-culture references, amazing artwork from the likes of Bryan Hitch, the Kubert family (Joe, Adam and Andy), John Romita Sr., Stuart Immonen, Chris Bachalo, among others. Why? WHY?? WHY DID THEY HAVE TO RUIN IT?! Not long ago, I read a mini-series released around 2009 called Spider-Man: The Clone Saga. It successfully re-wrote the entire 90's miscreant and made it a really good story with a happy ending. I read rumors that this mini shows what Tom DeFalco's original Close Saga was supposed to be like. In my eyes that mini-series and 2006's ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN #97-103 (Ultimate Clone Saga) both redeemed the Clone Saga for me. Here is the cover to the much better Clone Saga mini: img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100307134457/marveldatabase/images/3/33/Spider-Man_The_Clone_Saga_Vol_1_1.jpg An excerpt from Wikipedia: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ex-editor-in-chief Tom DeFalco said that under him, the Clone Saga would have been resolved in a different way: "Our plan was to structure the clone saga like a three-act play. Act One would climax at or around Amazing #400-when we revealed that Pete was the clone and Ben was the real guy. Act Two would last around three months and follow Ben's adventures. In Act Three, Peter would triumphantly return as the one, true Spider-Man. Mark and I was hoping the Spider-crew could make Ben a viable character during his turn in the spotlight, and we planned to star Ben in his own monthly title after Peter returned. It was kind of like what I had already done with Thor and Thunderstrike-two very different titles based on a single concept. Of course, our plan went into the trash the day I got fired."[24] In September 2009, a six-part mini-series based on the outline of the original Clone Saga came out, written by Tom DeFalco and Howard Mackie, and drawn by Todd Nauck. Series co-creator Howard Mackie described how this project was born: "Somewhere along the line I discovered a notebook which contained the original notes from the very first meeting at which the clone story was discussed. The original notes showed that the story was planned as a three month event spread across the four monthly Spider-Man titles. At some point Ralph talked to Joe Quesada, and I got a phone call from Ralph [Macchio] asking if I wanted to do a mini-series showing a version that was truer to what the writers originally imagined. Tom and I remember certain story points differently. The goal with this mini-series was get back to basics, to strip away the extraneous stuff that got layered onto the original story, and to present the cleanest possible version of what was a pretty simple story at heart. It was decided that it would be best if only two writers collaborated on this mini-series." ----------------------------------------------------------- I personally liked the idea of Xorn being Magneto. I really disliked the retcon. I agree with Grant Morrison's explanation that Magneto was truly a monster, he wasn't the sympathetic man portrayed by Sir Ian McKellen in the movies. He always acted like a Nazi in the comics before 2005, ironically. In the 60's he experimented with the natives of Savage Land, creating deformed mutates. Planet X should have remained canon. The only good thing about the Chuck Austen run was Juggernaut's redemption. Austen also wrote two issues of Ultimate X-Men, Issues #13-14, on which he reinvented Gambit, and were beautiful and amazing! I disagree on Civil War being bad. Ultimates 3, Ultimatum, Sins Past, and One More Day on the other hand... all copies of those storylines should be destroyed.

[@VerneditheSnail]

***** Snail sobs :(

[@kyriss12]

not to mention i really like what they did with spider-girl. gender-swaped clone with all of peters memories and enough identity issues to to give Sigmund Freud a hard on.

[@VerneditheSnail]

kyriss12 You're talking about Ultimate Spider-Woman. Kitty Pryde was Spider-Girl in Earth-1610.

[@FTONERDTALK]

That's an amazing story

[@VerneditheSnail]

***** Thank you. What is your story?

[@jojobpb8866]

Why does everyone who dies come back! Seriously just let Norman Osborn die! Let Aunt May die! Keep Gwen Stacey dead! Having her sleep with Norman Osborn is just stupid and insulting to her character! When did Marvel become DC? Robotic Thor Clone? God how stupid! "One More Day"? How stupid! Quit Joe Quesada! You have no talent, creativity, or have a single ideas that ANYONE WANTS TO READ, LET ALONE PAY FOR! Why couldn't Peter Parker get a divorce? Many people get divorces, and parents and children of divorce could relate to this.... Joe Quesada, go retire and never "contribute" to comics again. Go be a farmer or live under a bridge. You killed Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes, which was critically acclaimed and loved by people of all ages, and you gave us Avengers Assemble, which has no plot, makes no sense, terrible animation, it is basically like The Thundarians, but with Marvel characters.

[@TheSilverPhoenix100]

its the trope the "status quoe is god", comics are all about changing something then attempting to find ways to revert it back to normal

[@asimplecartoonist3898]

man, this channel is great when it comes to science, the paranormal, and certain geopolitical issues. but when they touch pop culture? they make some serious asses of themselves. civil war, bad? according to who? DC fans? not only did civil war FINALLY explode the issue of mutant registration after decades of fans waiting for it to go somewhere, but it managed to finally expose the inner demons of heroes like Iron Man and Spiderman, as well as provide unforseen dilemmas for heroes like Captain America and the Punisher. i was half convinced you were gonna put the Ultimates on this.....oh wait

[@rndmpinkiepie64]

My comic series has a rule: once dead, theyre dead. Then again, my series isnt intended as ongoing. Like real life, theres a beginning, middle and end. There can be a new beginning or an old end, but not with the same character(s) going forward or back in time. Intention for this? Life has a point A and a point B, but its the time between those points that makes life interesting

[@zazzy6758]

Very sensible outlook and something that I hate with Comics these days. There's never any finality with anything.

[@Slashercon]

I have the same exact layout for my comic series as well. Well, I would If I ever lifted them off the drawing board.

[@piccolo56000]

+Chris Mattson i think even if they resurrect , they should do it in a believable manner not pull something out of their asses.

[@shaksvids5273]

Thor sex-changed into a woman has to be *the* worst moment in Marvel history. The mighty, legendary, mythical Thor. Now a woman! Good lord...

[@MrRedGreenBlue1]

why didn't they just give Sif her own comic instead? sounds easier and less stupid then trying to fuck with mythology that's already been established

[@ninebreaker20]

But Thor didnt have a sex change a woman picked up the hammer and is now Thor because she has his powers

[@JinShiroi]

thor didnt have a sex change. thor lost the ability to wield his hammer and dropped it on the moon. hes still there and does shit. someone who happens to be female just picks up the hammer that was on the moon.

[@shaksvids5273]

And she is called Thor right? That is what makes it a sex change because Thor IS a male name.

[@JinShiroi]

not know yet, though she says "the world needs a thor" implying shes the archetype "thor", her name issnt revealed yet.. "Real" thor is still there he wields an axe instead of mjolnir. Also, a female having a male name isnt concidered a "sex change"

[@RandomPerson21119]

Civil War upset me due to the surrender. It had been established in so many comics why the heroes were fighting. Captain America himself continually explained why the fight was necessary. For once, they were fighting to defend their own rights, fighting for themselves and not just the innocent. Suddenly, Captain America decides to surrender because... everyone one is fighting? Literally he says "we're just fighting" and immediately surrenders afterwords. And he does this AS HE'S ABOUT TO WIN. It's so infuriating that so many stupid fights and events happened and yet there was nothing to show for it because Cap surrendered. If they had simply lost the war, that would've been another story, but to surrender because you just now realize that you're fighting and innocent people are getting caught in the crossfire made it seem like they ignored everything else that happened during the Civil War. And One Last Day... I don't even want to go there.

[@HadesFist]

It also pisses me off that one of the tie-in story the writers tries to prove Cap was wrong and outdated just because he didn't know MySpace and American Idol. It also revealed that Tony manipulated the events that started a war with the Atlantians so everyone will lose focus of the registration issue. What a mess of a good concept.

[@magneto9210]

Sure Civil War wasn't perfect, but the social commentary in it was on point. The Superhuman Registration Act was essentially a parody of the United States Patriot Act, a bill that has essentially granted the government the ability to strip people of their civil liberties simply because there's a small chance that they might be a terrorist, even if it's completely unfounded. They represented the paranoia and fear of that decade quite well.

[@drknight48]

Because of "One More Day", I haven't picked up a Marvel Comic since.

[@Vebinz]

EVERYTHING after 1995 is Marvel's "Worst moment".

[@gabenewell7773]

Spiderman Renew your vows?

[@jackhovatter]

I really enjoyed Civil War. Parts were a bit choppy but there is this amazing moment where Punisher gets thrown into a wall by Captain America for killing the rogues that they were going to team with,and the Punisher just won't fight Cap and then there's this exchange where Patriot asks why Punisher wouldn't fight back and Spider-Man replies "Are you kidding me? Caps probably the reason he went to Vietnam. Same soldier, different war"

[@ohair87]

How can you say Civil War was bad? It is one of the most influential storylines in comics. It is universally loved.

[@00ghostcobra]

ohair87 Exactly what I was thinking.. They are about to launch a trilogy based off of this storyline that is sure to gross over a $1 billion in a few years.

[@soildwaluigi]

ohair87 Civil War is more controversial then Universally loved. Every time I seem someone mention it a fight breaks out.

[@soildwaluigi]

Cristiano Ronaldo no, stand battles.

[@chrisf5170]

Because it derailed Iron Man into a borderline Nazi.

[@juliofranciscogomezstoppel1860]

solidwaluigi nobody hates the plot. People hates the characters in it, because it touches a very personal, very actual issue: Anonymity in Internet. A problem that trully divies, you are either with, or against, there is no middle ground.

[@XKphantomXK]

Civil War was amazing

[@olserknam]

XKphantomXK Nope. It was better that today's global events, but no masterpiece, just another attempt at boosting sells.

[@baciu14]

XKphantomXK well the biggest problem is how tony is acting like he is not figting his fromer comrader , the thor clone is a wtf moment , and it ended very badly with caps death , the action was good but its not that briliant

[@olserknam]

baciu14 Facepalm. Cap's death was caused mostly by what happened during the Brubaker run on his book, not by Civil War.

[@baciu14]

olserknam ok

[@234conor]

I agree civil war was epic

[@edwarddubin8779]

Chaos War had the worst set up and the worst ending ever with Hercules finding out Athena was behind Amatsu Mikaboshi's Chaos War.

[@Nightman221k]

My least favorite Marvel story is Sins Past. It's just ridiculous and considering that it's never been brought up since Sins Remembered ages ago, it should be forever forgotten in my opinion. Nobody liked the Goblin-Stacy Twins and the story treated Gwen horribly.

[@Werrybold]

Nightman221k I know, right. Sins past was the Point, where I stopped reading Spider-Man Comics. And I was a fan since childhood. That storyline was just disgusting in many ways.

[@kelvinkegel2304]

"Sin's Past" *shudders* *Gulp down vomit* *sigh...*

[@kenny5311]

Sins past is one of the best Spider-Man stories. I don't get why people don't like it. 😔

[@santiinx737]

Amazing work bro! Subscribed

[@SuperMutant2099]

Civil War being on this lists gets a thumbs up from me. My god was that series bad. Main book was boring and lame. The whole law and New Warriors being made to be bad guys for not stopping a villain. If you really think about why this event of all in marvel universe Considering how many villains would love to get to know who there heroes are the whole idea of having to reg your identity made no sense why any hero would do it. Their friends and family at constant risk even more so. Aunt May shooting perfect point to it. I put OMD day over Ultimates 3/Ultimatum because of regular MU and really just ruined spider-man for years. Ultimatum killed the Ultimate Universe except marvel not let it go till maybe soon?

[@seandavis908]

Civil War was awesome. You gave so many good reasons why the other arcs in this video were bad, but didn't really give reasons against Civil War. "Spidey takes his mask off."...............yeah he did. "Cap gets shot"...............yeah he did. "Iron Man and Mr Fantastic build a new Thor"............yeah they did.........How are those reasons against it? Those are just parts of the plot.....Civil War was very good and extremely popular

[@fusionworksuniverse]

Valid points.

[@seandavis908]

Steven Zhang Gee thanks! :)

[@jakebryant3445]

It gave us One More Day! Plus Maria Hill was a corrupted jerk in it

[@kelvyiturralde8111]

I've never seen anyone hate on civil war

[@sonicsnout]

This is great but I wish you would edit in more visuals! For example, when discussing how bad Teen Tony Stark looks in his armor, it would have been great to see some images. I mean, I could take ten seconds to do a google search in another tab, but I'm lazy. Other than that this is great, very enjoyable, thank you!

[@AuddityHipHop]

I always DID find it weird that peter ever got married. Is it just me?

[@fvkarch1354]

Let me add one no will know about: Marvel launched a daily paper comic strip of Spider-man. I understand how hard it can be to develop any sort of serialized, daily, three-panel story arc (although Mary White and others have done so successfully for YEARS), but in this comic, back in the 70's? 80's? Peter Parker received a letter -- a SINGLE letter -- with which he spent TWO WEEKS debating whether to open or not (and after opening, spent another week to reveal the contents, which I remember as being stupid). TWO weeks! For one week, the panels went something like "Should Open?", "I need to open." "I'm afraid of opening." for the ENTIRE week. Having the ability to choose not to read newspaper comics I find useless, I immediately stopped reading this trash forever more. TWO WEEKS TO OPEN A SINGLE LETTER!!! SHEESH! Worst Plot Line Ever!

[@Punkero245]

Don't listen to these comments, Civil War is terrible.

[@jakebryant3445]

The movie was awesome though.

[@jake27990]

Civil War was a great story arch. Just because it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows doesn't mean it was bad. It definitely should not be on this list.

[@VideoQuestEx]

Nice top 10 list! I personally never collected any of the stories mentioned in this video!

[@silver360im]

The heart breaking turning point of one more day was that there was a little girl that guided Peter and me and that little girl turned out to be their daughter that they will never have poor spiderman

[@snakes3425]

Oh the irony in the 90s Marvel outsourced the Avengers, Iron Man and Captain America to Rob Liefeld of all people because they needed the money, and in 2015 the Avengers, Iron Man and Captain America are essentially Marvel's most popular characters

[@viciouslyeatingaburger]

As a DC fan I think marvel has the baddest moments than DC have btw i already watch the DC worst moment already... Sad to think that spiderman has suffered a lot of this bad moments and also I like the Civil War the only thing I hate about it is that cap died in that story arc jeez

[@BlackIce3190]

If you ever had any doubt that Marvel is worse, at least in terms of the actual comics, never forget; *[Unsolicited opinions on Israel]*

[@jakebryant3445]

What about Countdown to Final Crisis, Amazon's Attack, Cry for Justice, Superman #700, Red Hood and the Outlaws #1, and All Star Batman and Robin?

[@BlackIce3190]

Jake Bryant I refer you my above post.

[@Prathik1989]

I think you should post some images along with the speech. Like when you mentioned the really bad Iron man armor, maybe show a pic of it.

[@jonathanpantoja2423]

You are right

[@russianbot2179]

Never read any of these. But 'Civil War' sounded pretty dang cool, although I can see how turning Tony Stark into Darth Vader would completely ruin it for most people, and Captain America surrendering for that reason seems against his character, but at least it shows the consequences for giving in to the government XD

[@TheSilverPhoenix100]

Civil war i felt was really good, and shows both sides very well not making either Ironman or Cap look like the bad guys, just vast diffrences of opinion. The ending i can see might bug people but it really makes sense to me that in order to give peace you sometimes have to do underhanded things, things that Tony regrets and hated doing, Capt surrendering also i think was in tune with his character when he realized how dangerous the heroes really are and the destruction they can cause

[@omegashinobi]

TheSilverPhoenix100 ....but the SRA didn't do anything. infact it made things alot WORSE

[@xanathjo2421]

What a waste... Civil War is the single most memorable event in my time reading comic books, it was deep, had a good story, a difficult situation to unfold for the writers, and everything was consistent overall. They tried it again in AvsX but didnt quite click as much as Civil War did. How is it considered one of the worst moments? thats stupid

[@xanathjo2421]

Also i didnt have much of a problem with one more day... its not good, but im not going to villify it. Age of Ultron on the hand is really a piece of crap...

[@TimeGem]

OMD in my opinion is on the top spot. It's debatable with the other two, but destroying decades of story just because of Joe Q thinks superheroes should stay single was to me the worst decision he or anyone could possibly make. I still haven't read a Spidey comic since then, nor do I plan to in the future because of it.

[@HolyCross9]

You know, no matter what Marvel does, I'll still favor Peter and Mary Jane Parker relationship.

[@HolyCross9]

I hope Marvel will someday fix that mistake made during the One More Day storyline.

[@nateword]

HolyCross9 that arc made me stop collecting

[@lordseshomaru86]

while I understand the hatred for Ultimatum,I want to say that Marvel has turned it into some great stories since, and I applaud them for sticking to their guns when they said "death is final in the Ultimate Universe" so the Ultimate Universe is not just a new age clone of the 616 but its own thing where really anything can happen! If it wasn't for Ultimatum, we might not have gotten Miles Morales Spider Man!

[@jiraiya0698]

This is just a question because I don't read the ultimate series but, what is so great about Miles Morales? I want to know if I have to read ultimate spiderman but with no Peter Parker? it's strange for me...

[@GuitarrAssassin]

I would agree with you, buuuuut Peter's death was NOT the result of Ultimatum. Ultimate Spider-Man ran for several more years even after the relaunch before Peter was killed off.

[@jakebryant3445]

I cut Lobe some slack cause he was still grieving over his son's death during Ultimatum.

[@XDarkF3arX]

Clone saga led to the Scarlet Spider (Kaine) so I really don't see that as a mistake in the long run.

[@maynardsmoreland]

"The Clone Saga"was abysmal. I gave up on Marvel in the mid-90s and haven't gone back.

[@adrianvelante8014]

First: Civil War was good. Second: One More Day and Sin's Past was not Marvel's fault, it was J. Michael Stazinscky

[@jakebryant3445]

He couldn't let go of the past.

[@pushon10]

I think Fear Itself is much worse than Civil War. The latter was actually engaging up to a certain point, Fear Itself was just boring, bloated and dumb.

[@AllPwrflSteve]

I agree 100% with Civil War being garbage, but I would replace a few. In no particular order 10. Hank Pym beats Jan (Let it go already, it's been retconned 3 times and people still use it as the only defining characteristic of the character.) 9. Secret Invasion (Let's have a clone saga for the entire Marvel Universe, I loved that they brough Mockingbird back, but the reasoning made no sense like why didn't they realize she was a skrull when she died.) 8. Ultimates & Ultimatum are on the money but are really one story 7.House of M & Avengers Disassembled (Okay Scarlet witch goes crazy after a storyline that was already resolved from 20 years ago) 6. One More Day (I missed out on the beginning of Slotts awesome run thanks to this travesty) 5. The Crossing (If you read it knowing it's going to get Retconned it's not that bad.) 4. The Clone Saga (see the Crossing) 3. Chuck Austin's Avengers (I actually didn't mind his XMEN he brought background characters like Iceman, Husk, and Angel into the light finally, but his Avengers were unreadable and focused highly around number 10) 2. Mark Waid's run on Fantastic Four (I know, I know Blasphemy, but really Doom a man of science leathering himself up to practice magic, then a huge allegory for the war in Iraq that leads to the death and resurrection of the Thing. But Jack Kirby was God...why is that cool? It was the comic equivalent to a Daffy Duck cartoon. If you want a meta comic read Animal Man.) 1. Sentry joining the New Avengers (Paul Jenkins wrote a beautiful mini series as an April Fools joke about a superman like character who was erased from the memories of the Marvel Universe but had actually been there since the 40s. It was Don Quixote in comic book form. BEndis took that story and shat all over it. Making the main bad guy a character who was already dead. And taking away all the aspects of that character that made him interesting.)

[@mratliff13]

The guy who wrote Sin's Past should be ashamed of himself. What a terrible story.

[@KamisamanoOtaku]

Civil War just seems extra bizarre because it feels like it happened too soon or too late with regard to the real world situations it was intended to reference.

[@christinapollnow115]

Yes, that wasn't a great moment for Carol Danvers, but she's still an awesome hero in the comics today and a very strong and powerful woman in the Marvel Universe.

[@Decembirth]

"AXIS" is going to be on one of these lists... and I will cheer.

[@nelsonrc]

Rob Liefeld has to be the worst contributor that Marvel ever hired. Every time they put him on a series that I was reading I would drop it, because the storyline and art were crap.

[@Nightman221k]

The saddest part of the Clone Saga is that it could easily have worked if they weren't so fixated on the booming collector's market of the time and had the gumption to make Peter and Ben just not give a care who was the true Peter since both were living their own lives and both were good people with individual lives. I actually loved the idea of Peter and Ben being part of a sort-of Spider-Family, since Peter was married to MJ and they were going to have a baby Peter could have been a part time Spider-man and Ben Reilly could have been the Spider-man who would protect on the regular while Peter and MJ and their baby tried to lead normal lives.

[@jomoran2571]

what about the incestious relationship between pietro and wanda

[@EdwardianNerdfighter]

Now that AXIS has been released, I think we can add "Oh wait, Magneto isn't the Maximoff twins' father after all" to this list.

[@JayDee284]

to me Civil War destroyed Marvel sure the story it self was not that bad but it ruined a lot of characters & so many awful story-lines came as a result it

[@ggrant1189]

I sometimes think that comic-book fan boys were created so that Star Trek, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, Babylon 5, Game of Thrones, D&D, and all other varieties of fan boys wouldn't feel so bad about themselves.

[@ironcolossus4]

loved your choices!! so sad the Ultimate Universe is so young and has two spots on the list!

[@battlion507]

Honorable mention: Marville and another thing, I didn't like civil war.

[@Cropsykills]

Austen's run was great. What misogyny? Seriously, what misogyny? I just reread his entire run and saw no instance of misogyny.

[@marzattackz6736]

i kinda actually liked Civil war and Clone Saga...

[@animemanXLK]

One more day wasn't the problem with Spiderman the problem was they made him reveal his secret identity in the first place.One more day was just the solution to that fuck up since spiderman doesn't work without a secret identity.

[@bigtdobbs]

I didn't mind the reveal. I thought it was a good way to push Spiderman into uncharted territory and get some fun new stories out there. They should've just let Aunt May die, she's been getting AARP newsletters since '62. I personally loved his marriage to MJ, but imagined a heartbreaking story where he sends her away for her safety after the Aunt May shooting. Regardless, I liked the Civil War reveal.

[@minstrel1184]

I actually enjoyed a lot of entries on this list--the Clone Saga (though, I was only 10-12 at the time so I guess I have to take it with a grain of salt as I was just happy to be reading super hero comics), Sins Remembered (it made the Green Goblin even more sinister and it wasn't presented that the two had had a "relationship" so much as one ill-conceived night which one could understand how a young, impressional teenage girl might be swayed by a rich, powerful Norman Osbourne) and Civil War (I thought it gave a great display of the characters throughout the Marvel Universe; the one thing I didn't like was how villainous and seemingly nonredeemable it made Iron Man/Tony Stark seem--he signed a deal with the devil, Norman Osbourne, and as the devil always does, he came back to collect). I enjoyed reading One More Day, with a desperate, uncharacteristic Spider-Man threatening punks and beating the snot out of Kingpin in prison but yeah, Brand New Day was awful. Really, really awful.

[@Phil2Musashi]

Spider-Man clone garbage was unbearable. I gave up on Spider-Man after about a year with no end in sight.

[@MrHaganenoEdward]

You should also make top 10 BEST moments from both Marvel and DC.

[@movienaut]

One more day was the comic that made me stop read Spider-man in many years. Superior is the only comic of Spiderman I went to read again. While I enjoyed Civil War, I agree that the story has done some stupidity, like making Peter tell his identity, making me hate my favorite hero, killing Cap and in the long run, the civil war aftermath didnt matter much, since the registration was erased, all heroes united against Hulk and so on and so on. Your list is good, which makes me wonder what other awesome lists you got in your channel.

[@thenerdyminecrafter]

Civil War is regarded as one of the greatest stories in recent times. The next Captain America movie is even going to be based on it.

[@CorporalAsia]

Gotta say, do love your voice

[@brendondellinger355]

WHAT? I LOVED CIVIL WAR! It's my favorite comic story line in the Marvel Universe! It brought out the best and worst in our favorite Super Heroes. :(

[@edwardleonard9302]

Sins of the past is the worst for me. I was reading Spider-man for about 10 years before that. But this story....made it hard for me to read Spider-man ever again. It's so dumb. Sometimes comic book writers should let dead characters stay dead, especially if they had the impact that Gwen Stacey had.

[@Lycosyncer]

Can you add the "Captain America is a HYDRA agent all along!" twist into an updated version of this list? It definitely deserves to be here as it is the worst idea that Marvel has ever done to date!

[@WinterSteele]

Listening to some of these plots, I'm beginning to think the writers of Spiderman must be taking inspiration from daytime soap operas, lol.

[@boxbreaker2011]

I've heard almost EVERY comic book fan say Civil War is amazing and can't wait for the movie next year.... I'm confused!

[@Rockomanshi]

+boxbreaker2011 6. they broke with tonns of characters like Cap, Ironman and Spiderman, only to fit the nerritiv of that shity story. Spiderman, the paragon of responsipility, would never, and i mean NEVER reveal his idantity publicly and risk the live of everybody around him. Look what happandy to aunt may right afer, or the tousend times bevor when someone found out who he was. Just shitty. Ironman became an maniac who createt killer cyborgs to hunt down his old friends (and to kill them) and workt with villians left and right just so he could look better. Then there was this whole green goblin brain controll killing thing that nobody realy understood. Cap just went nuts at the end and gave up on his pride and stances after he saw that 2 buildings burnd down an an elderly lady broke her foot. No im kidding, that guy fought in a war for the things he knows where right, and even after that he was a very strict character with high standards. But at the end, with no real development he just turnd on everything just so one side could "win" and the event could end. But that wasnt all, they broke with nearly every character. Dont get me started with Mr. Fantastic. 2. they just wanted to get some of the 90s x-men magic for the rest of the books (you can see that that didnt work on how long the registration act was realy aktiv, like, 2 years? wow). The Mutants where a minority, hated by the world, there such a law had inpekt, in the larger superhumen soziaty not so much. I mean half of them can just fly away in space if shit gets to hot. But, no, GREAT SOTRY! 3. The whole story was just a big letdown, so many things where build up for exemple that this is the event that starts the future Cable came from, but nothing ever came from this. 4. So many parts of the story where just outright pointless. Right in the middle of the event a whole buch of sleeper agents from Nemor where revealt wich lead to noting. Wolvariens story was totaly pointles. 5. The sucking of the amarican cock. woooooh, that is the ugliest one. especially if you arent amarican. everytime, and i mean everytime in the story when some character just even so slightly mentions that this is kinda like the 3rd reich or that they should break that law becous ists supid and that slavary was a law before and only could be stopt by breaking it some other caracter imidiantly says "come on, you know amarica ist totaly different and would never do something linke that" and the character that mantiond the thing imidietly say "yeas you are right" and that happend between characters from different factions in that conflict. That made me so angry, the whole thing was supposed to be a conflict abpout law and such, but nope, the law and the state are holy. man, sorry for the rant, im just so sick of people saying thet sotry was great. Saying it is is kinda like the popular thing to do. I dont know why but it is. And trust me, not every comic book fan liks civil war. Its kinda like one of those things that have no midleground. You linke it or you hate it. OH and btw. sorry for my bad grammer and such, english is my third language and im sitl a work in progress ;)

[@cooliomike8219]

+TheCaridy learn how to spell geez

[@Comedyteamz]

You gotta work on your presentation man. I liked the vid though and I'll def check out more of your stuff.

[@RO-mo2ul]

I think that might day was pretty bad because it made a lot of people's favorite mutants no longer relevant to any story's at all and thus never being seen again

[@textadventure1015]

huge spiderman fan, one more day ruined everything as well as the amazing relationship between Mary Jane, Peter Parker, and Spiderman then he sacrificed their marriage for aunt may who was going to die of age anyways. that caused me to to stop reading Spiderman for a straight year, I read DareDevil instead. (I hate the all new marvel DareDevil BTW.)

[@Torquemadia]

How can "One more day" be the definition of bad comic books, when you only place it at number 3?

[@davidalangay1186]

I really had no problem with Civil War, aside from the clone of Thor and the use of super-villains to enforce the SHRA. I'm sorry that it was rolled back.

[@marvelsfuture7963]

"Civil War" was one of the BEST moments in Marvel history. The thought of someone putting it as the 4th worst Marvel comics is killing me. Sure, the unmasking of Peter Parker wasn't what we WANTED, but it was essential to the storyline. It showed that the person who safeguarded his identity probably the most thoroughly was 100% behind the Registration Act (At the time). It was incredibly shocking to the vast majority of readers, and it served as a GREAT point for other heroes to rally behind. Placing this landmark of a story in a Top Ten Worst list is near heretical. "Clone Saga" wasn't all that bad, either. I actually somewhat enjoyed it. That may be unpopular, I understand that, but I don't think it deserves all of the hate it gets. Sure, there were poorly written aspects of it, but overall it was at least semi-interesting. P.S. In "Civil War", the heroes behind the Registration Act did not attack Cap's people at their camp. They lured them out into the open with a false report of disaster, and ambushed them. If you are going to bash one of the most beloved story's in Marvel history, at least make sure you get the information down-pat.

[@TheDoctorFF]

I was agreeing for the most part and than we hit #4 and I was like PISS OFF!

[@theminutestudios]

I feel the same way

[@JMSK248]

All right, the Rob Liefeld stuff from Heroes Reborn was so bad his team was removed after six issues, and Jim Lee didn't have the best stories, but you can't say Lee's art (or Whilce Portacio's) was "some of the worst art to ever grace the medium."

[@VejlorMorne]

Civil War is single most interesting , well written and emocionally realistic story in Marvel. The fact Civil War is on this list discredits it 100%

[@slimmy_0076]

my understanding is that the clone saga was under a lot of editorial constraints which is why the writer was allowed to re visit the story and finish it how he wanted to.

[@S77whut]

I STILL haven't gone back to Spidey after Sins past. That's how much I hated it.

[@pushon10]

The Punisher becoming the angel of death.

[@lukamemequeenm3gur1n35]

or becoming captain America or sorcerer Supreme

[@jakebryant3445]

Or that weird one where he became a black guy(not kidding either it actually happened)

[@Sang1957]

I stopped reading Marvel in the 1980's as the handwriting was on the wall. The Silver Age was over, the Age of WTF!?! had begun.

[@LeGioNoFZioN]

One more day is the reason I stopped collecting and reading Spider-Man books after 30 years of patronage. Other than Civil War, which I loved, I agree with everything you you stated here. As a long time reader, I really enjoyed the fact you didn't just focus on the more recent mistakes they have made.

[@THectOrtiz]

If these books didn't bring Marvel close to bankruptcy, makes you wonder what did.

[@jamcalx]

you forgot the ms.marvel came back and chewed out everyone about what happened.

[@ransak918]

Civil War is the only one that I disagree with. Before the 'registration' deadline, Stark did explain his reasons as to why its necessary to many of the opposing heroes. Both groups had solid reasons for their firm stance. Outside of that, I love your selections. Gets a 'like' (and a subscription boost) from me.

[@SharinganSora95]

Whoa whoa whoa... i get that The Ultimates 3 had a bad story... but bad ART? Joe Mad is one of the most talented artists in comic books. His work on Ultimates 3 was jaw dropping. Couldnt ever be classified as BAD art.

[@DarthSolid9]

I think it was more because it was such a sudden drastic change from ultimates 2. The art was far from ugly but some characters looked so different and the vibe of the comic seemed to change so much that it simply was not what the people that loved the first 2 wanted.

[@SharinganSora95]

Very true. It was a DRASTIC change and didnt fit the vibe of the Ultimates (i hated the Ultimates anyway). Thats a good point. But its still not "bad art". Totally respect your opinion though.

[@chaoticvessal]

I'm ashamed to say, but One More Day was single handedly the one comic that forever ruined my interest in Spider-Man. The idea that Spider-Man makes a deal with the devil, no matter who convinced whom to do so, ruined the massive image that the Web-Head was this wonderful force of good that so many other characters had built him up to be, even if he was just a down on his luck guy struggling with a dual identity that was slowly eating him apart. A deal with the devil to either effectively annul his marriage, or heal a simple bullet wound that could have been fixed (that should have been fixed) by any number of methods he sought out by some of the most brilliant minds in the Marvel universe sickened me more than anything. There were a few things that briefly sparked my interest in Spider-Man. The Spectacular Spider-Man series that was sadly very short-lived, and Peter's death in Ultimate Spider-Man which is still in effect to this day as far as I am aware.