Top 5 Big Guys in Blood Bowl - Top 5 Friday (Bonehead Podcast)

[@alexsdemkin]

Laughs in Treeman

[@ebbiilizard8954]

RIP tentacles (nerfed) and nurgle beast , your reign was slimey and gurgly.

[@stephenhopkins3451]

The enslaved minotaur is now viable on a chaos Dwarf team, compared to before when it was a big no. Chaos Chosen can take ogres as well now which is making me think for my team

[@ForzaTerra89]

Ogre runt punter is great Considering if it’s still worth saving for block on my Rat ogres or just take brawler as my first skill and save for mutations

[@jonathankilby6636]

I'm shocked not to see the rotspawn. Instant denial piece with FA, DP and tentacles. Would probably place that piece right near the top of my list.

[@davedogge2280]

Anyone know where I can get convenient PDF print outs of the BB2020 STATS and SKILLS for the TEAM CARDS for BB2016 team players and star players so that I can just cut them out and slot them into sleeves covering the old BB2016 cards ?

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Hmmm, not sure I've seen anything useful like that Dave!

[@lyracian]

My favorite is Kroxigor as the best Big Guy. Personally do not class Ogre Team Ogres as Big Guys; you have a whole team of them

[@PhotoReactionVideos]

Fantastic work as always Ben! Excited to get the Enslaved Minotaur onto the pitch with my upcoming Chaos Dwarf Team!

[@13rym26]

Top 5 players to roll random skills on. Maybe expand it to after choosing one key skill.

[@RileyOConnorOfficial]

Oooh seconded! This is a great idea for a top 5 list. My personal top pic is the Wood Elf catcher for random ag or gen rolls! Lets you built into a solid scoring or defensive piece. I also like the idea of rolling nothing but random pass for offensive throwers.

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Ok... Consider it done!! Roll on next week ;)

[@HazelVandice]

I would like your top 5 lore bits of blood bowl. Something like top 5 "Did you know?" lines from the games or top 5 spike magazine teams.

[@BoneheadPodcast]

This is great HazelVandice!! We're on it!

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Thank you :D

[@DubSkulls]

So I'm late to this video but what about mummies not negative traits?

[@BigWackoJacko]

Good to see you rank the kroxigor so high!

[@deangoldsmith3967]

I'm so looking forward to running a Mutated Rat Ogre with my Underworld team... Though I have to say that my Troll (and his agent!) are not so keen! lol

[@deangoldsmith3967]

Going back over the previous Top Five's... Thrower #2 Skaven Thrower, Blitzer #5 Skaven Blitzer, Runner #1 Gutter Runner and now #4 Big Guy. Underworld is going to be such a great team, providing you can keep them healthy!

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Oof Dean, I hadn't realised that UW had snuck such top players on there! It'd going to be like running a rean All Star team! With garbage AV haha!!

[@step2424]

Have you seen games workshop have released details of Zolcath miniature. You could do a video on new bb miniatures?

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Yeah! It looks great! We try to do reviews when new minis land, not often the Forge World stuff though!

[@paulthompson7361]

I know Nurgle aren’t the best team ever, but where would you put the Rotspawn in this list? How far down??? I’m debating whether to pick one up for the start of my new league

[@MarketResearchReading114]

For nurgle I think its an absolutely valid piece and well worth taking just for the option. If you play nurgle you definitely want to try one with the team. I'm gonna pick up nurgle eventually if I manage to tire out my current teams.

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Zom's right here! The BoN is a huge reason to play Nurgle - it's such a sticky player!! You can play without it - but it adds a lot of the feel of a nurgle team! Slimy feel...!!

[@BoneheadPodcast]

I did have it pretty far down though! It's a support piece rather than a dynamic smasher of things! It helps the rest of your team do their thing!

[@lhoyos86]

So with the exception of the Ogre Team Ogre (and a loner 4+ troll, yes...) we Chaos Renegades got all our big guys from the top 5 list... and our ogre and troll mutate too. I’ve been playing a lot with the rat ogre now and I can assure that the guaranteed activation is superb and luckily I haven’t caused a casualty on my own team yet.

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Haha, Pistache you're right! Renegades are the place to be!! Oh sweet!! I was hoping it would work out well :D

[@lewismcintyre9483]

Any chance of a star player video about Josef Bugman? He seems pretty amusing but I'm very new to the game so don't really have a clue

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Hey Lewis! Welcome to Blood Bowl :D Bugman got promoted - he's not a Star Player anymore, but he provides beer to teams as an inducement (100k), and sometimes runs on the pitch to fight! So yes... I think he does deserve a Star Player Spotlight!!

[@jaydog2799]

Nice top 5. Not sure how often I would attempt the Troll's projectile vomit, as it effectively needs two die rolls to work: stupidity and PV itself. Risky! 5th spot seems fine (though Enslaved Mino here instead?). Mutated Rogre with the guaranteed blitz due to animal savagery could easily be at 3rd spot, with the Krox at 4th spot due to bone head. Ogre 2nd and at number one...the Halfling team's Treeman. Big, tough, reliable, the best TTM out of the box and also...a giant tree!

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Haha, I love the list! Did you see the new Treebeard miniature revealed yesterday?! Hello Deeproot...!

[@jaydog2799]

@@BoneheadPodcast will check out "miniature" Deeproot.

[@blakemyers643]

I always have liked the minotaur as my blitz bot for my chaos team though one time I rolled trip skulls onto a gob and he died so sometimes shit happens lol

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Hahaha, I'm sorry for your loss!! But I really hope you guys agreed that the goblin got an extra MVP for that!

[@Grzehu993]

Why no included mumies or tomb guards (no loner no bonhead) ?

[@RationalOrc]

they don't have negatraits, so I'm not sure I would really consider them Big Guys. Certainly the Mummies will be forces to be reckoned with when they all take block as their first skill!

[@BoneheadPodcast]

They're great players, but no MB on the TG, and MA3 on the Mummy just makes them less powerful than these guys in my book!

[@RationalOrc]

I'm surprised the Chaos Ogre didn't get a nod here. An Ogre with claws certainly sounds like an intimidating prospect to me. The Chaos Ogre is probably the only player on my chaos team that will have claws, because he'll be in a good position to beat down AV 10+ enemies and he doesn't have very good skill access anyway. I suspect the rest of the team will just have too many other good skills to take to bother with nerfed claws.

[@BoneheadPodcast]

The Chaos Ogre is an absolute boss, but I had to give the edge to the Mino - it starts with Horns and Frenzy, it just makes a better death platform!!

[@kunxion3712]

​ @The Bonehead Podcast: All Things Blood Bowl .... Could you do a video at some point that looks at the % chance where it would be more beneficial to use Projectile Vomit ahead of a 1D/2D/3D block against an opponent? Not sure how complicated it would be to work out the % once you start adding in skills like block, dodge, etc, to attacker/defender players too, but i'm guessing it messes things up greatly?

[@BR4IN1N4J4R]

I'm happy to see the Circus Bear at #3

[@rev.timothyhafner8108]

Top 5 players with Stunty skill

[@Original-Yellow]

Oh yes please

[@calonfire]

Woah, you go big guy

[@BoneheadPodcast]

😁😁😁

[@newlegendbanter9879]

Big fan of the mino as a big guy. Only thing I would say (unless I’m mistaken) is chorf mino needs double for mutations. Maybe the new levelling up system sorts that out I’m not sure

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Hey New Legend Banter - that's a very good point, but yeah the ability to save up now means it's down to the patience of the coach more than anything, haha!

[@jellycubed3575]

I'm partial to the OWA Treeman. He's got the option to get helped up by teammates, which is great. Also, if ST 5 is the best skill in the game, ST 6 has got to be amazing.

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Haha you've got me there Brian!! I don't think there's a bad big guy!

[@garrhettroebuck8402]

Yeah but MA 2 and Take Root can screw you for an entire drive/half instead of a single turn like the other nega-traits.

[@RationalOrc]

@@garrhettroebuck8402 true, but getting a +1 MV on treeman will be super easy now

[@stonem0013]

@@RationalOrc doesn't help when he's rooted! And taking +mv over block is highly questionable

[@dmonicplays8374]

Surprised he didn't mention mummies or tomb guardians... Or do they not count as big guys since they don't have a nega-trait?

[@garrhettroebuck8402]

Gotta say the Projectile Vomit from the troll could really catch some low AV blodge players (Wardancers or ball carriers) unawares... that said I think the Mino kinda deserves to be third due to the fact that blitzing with a big guy (while awesome) is almost always better done by players with easier access to block, tackle, strip ball, and wrestle.

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Ahhh Garrhett, you are right! Blitzing with Block is better, but less fun hehe! But yeah!! Troll vomit on a Wardancer etc is going to be sneaky-good (hopefully)!

[@mward5962]

Uh, no Beast of Nurgle/Rotspawn? Sure, Tentacles are a LOT worse now, but he's still a [checks] Disturbing Presence + Foul Appearance big guy with a 50/50 chance of stopping ANY Str3 player from moving away from him when they try because they flub their FA roll. At 140k he's actually cheaper than several of the options you've put on the list. Also, I've always considered Mummies and Tomb Guardians to be big guys as well and the complete lack of Nega-Trait on them makes them incredibly reliable, their only downside is their lack of speed in the case of Mummies and Decay and no Mighty Blow for Tomb-Guardians (if you wanted to argue that no MB disqualifies them from Big Guy catagory I'd understand.) Plus both of those cheaper than a Mino or Rat-Ogre, but at least 25k. Not that this matters since you never have a choice between the two, but still. The Trained Troll though, at 115k? For Loner 3+ and Projectile Vomit? Is an absolute steal. That's the same price as a Flesh Golem or Elf Blitzer but it's a Str5 big guy who can either munch things on the line, throw up on Big Guys, break cages by tossing goblins or snotlings at it, or just rack up the SPP by tossing Goblins downwind looking for a 1TT. Trained Trolls, considering that the untrained ones are all the same cost, are an actual steal! Lastly, can we talk about Death Rollers? Sure I'm not going to make the argument they should be on this list, not with the changes to Break Tackle meaning they can't just step into a Cage and murder the ball carrier any more. But they the ONLY real source of fun to be found in a Dwarf team, and should be remembered.

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Hahaha M Ward - I love all of that!! Deathrollers hurt me :( it makes me really sad they didn't drop the cost enough (or remove Secret Weapon) to at least make them feasible!!!

[@mward5962]

@@BoneheadPodcast Be fair, they were never going to lose Secret Weapon, they have to have SOME kind of nega-trait! A +2 to Mighty Blow over Dirty Player would have been nice though.

[@RationalOrc]

I don't think the beast of Nurgle is all that bad off. The difference between 58% and 50% is fairly small and more than made up for by the fact that YOU roll the dice, so your opponent can reroll YOUR succesful tentacles

[@mward5962]

​@@RationalOrc Oh, I know where I've gone wrong, I was thinking of Shadowing, that's the one that got a big nerf. Yeah, Beast is still really good at pinning things in place and generally making things awkward. IF you can get him into the right place.

[@malcontent6524]

Looks like this will be changing soon, thanks to Khorne.

[@lumpi806]

top is kroxigor. Second si trol (multi purpose). The minotaur will be easily trapped by frenzy traps.

[@hampuskullberg9932]

That's a very nice leveled up wardancer you have there, would be a shame if someone puked on it ;) Edit: does claw affect Animal Savagery armor rolls? if so then claw might be risky for the chaos dwarfs ^^ And btw the affect of movement 2-3 on big guys in 2020 will be less horrible since +mv is gonna be so much more available :)

[@jellycubed3575]

I think the idea here is that you'd be putting your hobgoblins by it, so you wouldn't need to worry about Claw as much. Granted, nothing ever works out perfectly in BB and I'm sure there's some risk involved.

[@hampuskullberg9932]

Yeah they are a bit more expendable. Much more likely to get hurt tho (not considering claw). Might even make a +AV hobgoblin worth the TV ;D On a more serious note not always positioning is going to be ideal so sooner or later he is gonna punch a dwarf and might be good to know if its a 10+ or 8+ roll for the dwarf when that happens ^^

[@BoneheadPodcast]

I just double checked... All applicable skills count!! So that Claw/MB Mino could be extra dangerous for a stray Chaos Dwarf!!

[@hampuskullberg9932]

@@BoneheadPodcast Thanks alot for checking it out! Definitely means you have to acout for that when positioning!

[@stonem0013]

begs the question of why a mv 8 wardancer is doing ending his turn next to a troll though 🙃

[@WlLDEHlLDE]

I think you overvalue both minotaur and rat ogre massively. Yes, you can move them more reliably now, but punching your own dudes is horrible (as seen on the vampire team of old). You say one doesn't care about hobgoblins, yet losing players is always bad, this can put you down players really fast. Also AV9+ is so bad on a big guy^^

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Unfortunately, Reedo... ...these are all excellent points!! haha :D

[@WlLDEHlLDE]

@@BoneheadPodcast 😂

[@dambrooks7578]

I really enjoy this list, absolutely love that the minotaur for the Chorf team sits at the top of this list. Although I am, as you know, a huge Chorf fan, however this list has put more constraint on my team choice for when we can once again get back into league gaming; should I go Chorf or staying with by other choice of the Underworld with Rat Ogre (that the postman has not uet delivered 😱).... choices, choices....😳🤔😮

[@Original-Yellow]

Spoilers haha

[@dambrooks7578]

@@Original-Yellow sorry about that, although if you have ever tried to lead a mino around a pitch to be productive and met with their stubbornness I am sure you will understand, besides I didn't spoil the other Biggans, regardless of my personal opinion ofcthe ********

[@redsven7624]

Blind guess the minotaur .. not because it is but because of Ben things

[@BoneheadPodcast]

10/10 Ben things!! Can't beat a big guy Blitz :D

[@Demolitiondude]

Gronk! No! Why Gronk?! Why!

[@schaakakon9473]

Thought Mummies would have been #1, theyre not even in the top 5?

[@melissasoto9902]

the Team Ogre shouldn't count as a Big Guy.

[@mattheopichetti9258]

Disagree.....rotspawn is the best. Big guys can all hit and kill. Thats nothing to write home about, rotspawn can area deny against catch and pass, rotspawn is a giant wall of F-U against any low strength fast model (gutter runners) . He hits hard and has regeneration. When i chose a big one i want it to do as kuch as it can to pay itself off. Thats the rotspawn.