Looks at my stack of 6 Bergs “don’t listen to him babies.”
@okkouljas51723 жыл бұрын
I mean he said you either love it or have never heard about it. So basically it is a perfect disc but people just don't know it exists.
@jwhite9733 жыл бұрын
@@okkouljas5172 That statement made me wonder which category HE was in. He's obviously heard of it. So... he loves it? 🤔
@ematt983 жыл бұрын
I only have 3 and this video makes me want to buy more.
@SZbooyaka3 жыл бұрын
To be fair… my first reaction to the Berg was “It feels like they recycled a public toilet seat”. After 1 game with the Berg, it became my go-to putter. Now I’m expanding it’s use into other parts of my game: short tees, approaches, forehand flicks, and OMG TRY IT AS A ROLLER HOLY CRAP ITS LIKE A BIG OFF-ROAD TIRE NOTHING STOPS IT.
@BergNerd3 жыл бұрын
Lol. This. Same.
@KP-dp6tp3 жыл бұрын
I love the Berg more than my girlfriend, and after she threw it, she’s okay with that now.
@BergNerd3 жыл бұрын
My girlfriend understands as well my friend.
@KP-dp6tp3 жыл бұрын
@@BergNerd You’re the reason I got a Berg in the first place. Huge fan 🙌🏽
@BergNerd3 жыл бұрын
@@KP-dp6tp awesome. glad I could assist.
@drewg30873 жыл бұрын
Legend.
@EKI0063 жыл бұрын
Berg its just terrible disc i don't just understant why peoples buy that its like innova birdie like why need to get it do not buy any bergs
@somainevent13 жыл бұрын
"It's slow, has no glide, and it's point and shoot!" Sounds like the perfect upshot disc to me... Also, the title should change :) "My gripe with popular discs" I like some of what you said, but it speaks to larger issues.. hype, disc selection, need, etc.
@TheSpiritOf813 жыл бұрын
The Berg is the best upshot disc in the game. Inside 200’, it’s perfect.
@1isone3 жыл бұрын
Agree with this, it literally goes exactly how you throw it, wind resistant, stick where it lands. Didn’t like it at first but my friend did, he throws it 99% of the times inside 150ft, even long puts. And when i saw how great he was with it i started to do it too and now it’s my main approach disc, unless i need a flex line or very overstable, then it’s the pig. I also put with it inside 30ft.
@andrewgautreaux68183 жыл бұрын
Cap its the zone
@bengreen45833 жыл бұрын
Nah bro, that's for my zones 😂
@1isone3 жыл бұрын
@@bengreen4583 i had an Esp Zone for a while and i never liked it lol, that’s one disc i really don’t understand the hype about, guess it’s more about personal preference
@lilcha853 жыл бұрын
@@1isone same! I got last years Earheart Zone thinking it would be a game changer. Feels weird on the forehand and not as torque resistant (as I expected) on the backhand
@FoundationPodcasts3 жыл бұрын
You sir are a brave soul
@nickmottola3 жыл бұрын
You guys should collaborate with Swamy and prove them wrong about the Luna!
@adamharmer57113 жыл бұрын
The Berg has a good use.....you can approach with it and it won't run that far past the basket. You can also spin putt with it for the same reasons. The Berg has a very good tactical aspects to it.
@lilcha853 жыл бұрын
“You either love it, or have never heard of it” I think dude needs to understand what overrated means
@mikelmorrow46813 жыл бұрын
Also, how can it be overrated if people haven't heard of it
@mikegasparac50623 жыл бұрын
Same use as a pro pig, less hype?
@SZbooyaka3 жыл бұрын
@@mikegasparac5062 Even less glidey. At low speeds its a stable brick. Throw it hard and it’s a slightly stable brick.
@lilcha853 жыл бұрын
@@mikegasparac5062 I bag both. Similar, but the Berg is a bit more stable and less glidey. Seems to be a more accurate forehand upshot disc for me
@lanepemberton88863 жыл бұрын
i love discmania but how much did they pay you to not include the cloudbreaker? or the TILT?!?!
@Jesse_Johnson3 жыл бұрын
Amen. But the Destroyer makes the list?
@slimetime46683 жыл бұрын
LOL for real…
@lilcha853 жыл бұрын
This dude rags on Innova in most of his videos. But all Discmania are “underrated” according to him. Has he not seen how they sell out instantly and just as fast are selling on eBay for $150+?
@lanepemberton88863 жыл бұрын
@@lilcha85 haha and then shows a $40 disc in the video as if that's expensive
@cannongray18623 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@MaximDrums3 жыл бұрын
I don't agree with the Berg. I don't see a crazy amount of hype, and they're easy to find. They're also inexpensive to buy. Great disc, and I bag one, but I don't think people are losing their minds over them. I'd replace it on this list for the Cloudbreaker.
@jillydaqueen22823 жыл бұрын
Might be a regional thing then, cuz it's the exact opposite for me. In Portland OR at least the Berg is HUGE
@MatthewCaldwell3 жыл бұрын
@@jillydaqueen2282 Middle Tennessee here and I heard multiple crazy Berg people in my first two months of playing. The hype is huge here too. I'm surprised it was so low on the list tbh
@raidonbay3 жыл бұрын
@@MatthewCaldwell Yup!!! CHATTANOOGA, TN here. Berg hype is huge here!! Its kind of simmered down this summer and the late bloomers are discovering it ( including myself).
@raidonbay3 жыл бұрын
I'm debating on a K3 or a K1 Glo. A good friend loves it and I've had a chance to see/feel a reason to own 2.
@aaronallen77773 жыл бұрын
I own over 50... I am moderately obsessed.
@timothymhoeksema3 жыл бұрын
The Pros bag the Destroyer, but it's not the driver for most of us.
@tobi122113 жыл бұрын
Finally someone speaking the truth. 90% of the people watching this video does not have the power to throw it properly.
@bengreen45833 жыл бұрын
I'm 15 and I throw it pretty well, I can get it to go dead straight with a little bit of turnover then it hooks up with a skip at the end
@timothymhoeksema3 жыл бұрын
@@bengreen4583 that’s awesome, you must have pretty quick arm speed and good timing!
@bengreen45833 жыл бұрын
@@timothymhoeksema I guess so 😁
@EKI0063 жыл бұрын
@@tobi12211 but peoples like thinking "destroyer is good disc i throw fairway only 200feet thats better i throw it 230 in super anhyzer 😆
@AromaticVendor3 жыл бұрын
"The Berg is a great disc but I dont understand the hype" What????
@RickGeeMPS3 жыл бұрын
"Myself thinks this disc is overrated."
@MegaLaban123453 жыл бұрын
I love the Berg! But it does have hype behind it, no doubt. Deserved in my mind, though!
@jjw69613 жыл бұрын
Exactly. I could buy it being overrated if there were functional alternatives to serve the same purpose, but it's genuinely a unique disc that AFAIK doesn't have any other mold claiming to do its job the same or better. I believe the Innova Animal is thought to be in the same vein as a Berg, but I haven't thrown it or talked to anybody who has to confirm.
@TomasLaine3 жыл бұрын
As a person who does not throw that far, I usually don't always have a putt for a birdie on the par 3 holes. That's when the berg comes out. I probably throw a berg every fourth throw (not counting putting, or maybe even including haha). 90% of the throws are a sidearm shot. And there's nothing to compare it to when it comes to that. I have a zone if I feel like it's to far for the berg. Otherwise I would say it's the most important disc in my bag if I had to choose one. But that's just what I like :) I would also say that the berg is a unique disc. Yes, there's alot of zones out there or destroyers with other brands. But there's noting like a berg. One of a kind
@michaelyacobucci75932 жыл бұрын
Innova birdie is the closest.
@edkorczynski83123 жыл бұрын
Lune = tricked up Roach/Challenger...not over-rated, but could be overpriced. Destroyer = reference for all distance drivers...not over-rated but not for beginners.
@slimetime46683 жыл бұрын
Agreed the destroyer has gained its name for a reason
@TheTranquilEye3 жыл бұрын
Destroyer's a speed 13 for God's sake! So not for beginners. I nearly made the same mistake as a rookie. 'So what's the fastest driver? Oh yeah I'll buy an , that'll improve my distance and therefore, my game.' Luckily, the company I ordered it from had employees that knew me and advised a slower speed disc, knowing I was a newbie. So, hello Essence, which I still bag.
@tiitusl50613 жыл бұрын
@@TheTranquilEye speed 12
@jeffheyer77832 жыл бұрын
Yeah destroyer is probably one of the best distance drivers.
@Mikenewton4l3 жыл бұрын
The envy hurt the most for me. I started putting with it about 2 months ago. Nothing has felt better to putting with. As soon as James threw one in I knew it was gonna be hard to find them.
@rwsqb113 жыл бұрын
I'm an MVP thrower and I agree with your Envy take. Before the throw in, it was definitely an underrated disc. Now, it's impossible to find any in stock anywhere. It's a fantastic disc though
@undeadarmy193 жыл бұрын
Remember guys, he's saying that these discs are overrated. That does NOT mean that they are "bad" discs. He's simply saying that the hype around them is too high for what the discs can actually do. Its like walking around and constantly telling people that a movie is SO good, that when they see it it'll blow their minds. You bring the hype up so high that when they actually go to watch it, its just impossible for it to live up to expectations. No matter how good the movie is.
@reidausband93923 жыл бұрын
This guy gets it
@marshin72373 жыл бұрын
So instead of destroyer I should go down a spleen and stability and throw a wraith?
@reidausband93923 жыл бұрын
Be your own man, Marshin72. Throw something new. Throw a putter on a 1200 ft par 5. Use an ESP Nuke as your approach disc. The world is your oyster.
@BenPalm3 жыл бұрын
There’s one you’re missing: the Innova Pig
@blakebeaune13573 жыл бұрын
I've never thrown a Luna, but I don't think I could ever stop throwing the Judge from Dynamic Discs. Feels great, beats in very nicely and pretty quickly to go dead straight... and you can buy a lot of them for way cheaper than the Luna
@ChadSolberg3 жыл бұрын
Judges are amazing throwers and the emac judges are an amazing compliment if you want an understable option for throwing putter
@lilcha853 жыл бұрын
Special Blend Lunas are like $19. I know it’s not as cheap as a base Judge, but that should hardly be a deterrent from trying it (or calling it overrated)
@bobfreddy44733 жыл бұрын
hard to describe an innova staple disc, that people use to describe discs from other brands, as overrated. They are just the foundation of flight paths as we know it. "Yeah, its kinda like a firebird, just more flat top"
@Bfordandafter3 жыл бұрын
Yeah.. the Firebird and Destroyer have been copied over and over and over and over for a reason.. they work.. and they still sell.
@wolfgangweber93593 жыл бұрын
What is the Felon.
@bobfreddy44733 жыл бұрын
lol that’s exactly the disc i was describing
@SZbooyaka3 жыл бұрын
… you’re literally describing a flattop firebird, which is a thing.
@haroldrichard86323 жыл бұрын
Great, now that I’ve seen the Berg I’m gonna be obsessed with it, cuz I can no longer be in the “never heard of it” camp
@crabtime21163 жыл бұрын
I feel like this isn't exactly a list of overrated discs, but more of discs you think are not for beginners.
@ChadSolberg3 жыл бұрын
THIS
@reidausband93923 жыл бұрын
Well, there's a lot of overlap there. You would think that discs that are touted as "The best" of their type would be accessible to all skill levels. So in a sense, when a disc is not beginner friendly, it is more prone to being overrated. IMO, at least
@marcusdresback3 жыл бұрын
@@reidausband9392 that’s relative. “You would think”..who is *you* in this. If i’m seeing something as the best, it’s something that when thrown correctly, performs the best…if you want a list for beginners, no disc over a 7 speed would honestly be ranked, anywhere.
@reidausband93923 жыл бұрын
@@marcusdresback I did say at the beginning of the video that it is 100% subjective :)
@marcusdresback3 жыл бұрын
@@reidausband9392 fair enough.
@jordobordo53213 жыл бұрын
I would have to agree with the firebird being overrated. Coming from a firebird thrower I would have to say this is a disc more towards your powerful forehand players. Not backhand I don’t nearly have enough power to throw this 350+ but as a 400ft power forehand thrower you couldn’t ask for a better forehand disc
@nickbryant23183 жыл бұрын
You have to have a big arm to throw a firebird. It's definitely made for pro level players, but appeals to everyone
@FormerAmericanIdol3 жыл бұрын
Overrated... Couldn't ask for a better disc? 🤦
@crabtime21163 жыл бұрын
Firebirds themselves aren't overrated, but the sexton firebirds might be a tad.
@chrisblair30813 жыл бұрын
Id put rocs on there, far less comfy in hand than a buzzz and very runny. I bag a buzzz but find myself reaching for a meteor most mid shots :)
@discnukem77743 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. I'm always afraid to say it, but rocs feel terrible in my hand. My emac truths do the same thing without the uncomfortable bead and I can buy a truth off the shelf and know how it will fly.
@TheScottishKayaker3 жыл бұрын
I would agree with you like five years ago but it feels like the hype train for the roc and really mid discs in general is waning especially with the huge rise in driving putters.
@chrisblair30813 жыл бұрын
@@TheScottishKayaker yeah hype is dieing or innova has flooded their own line up with mids, seems like they drop 3 or 4 new mid molds every year.
@Jacob-ur4me3 жыл бұрын
It's preference. I prefer the feel of the roc over a buzz. They feel the same though.
@Jacob-ur4me3 жыл бұрын
*do the same
@mojo27813 жыл бұрын
I bag 2 lunas, 3 destroyers, a berg and a firebird...😅
@reidausband93923 жыл бұрын
Dang we just about roasted your whole bag xD
@Bfordandafter3 жыл бұрын
You are so overrated!!!!
@mojo27813 жыл бұрын
@@Bfordandafter oh no!
@paulcarter15223 жыл бұрын
Tell me you hate the resale market without telling me you hate the resale market… but props, this man knows how to work the KZbin algorithm.
@mikebruni98813 жыл бұрын
If I can make a Berg reach, I'm throwing a Berg.
@coryy87923 жыл бұрын
Subscribed because I did indeed get offended. Firebird hurt, but I do agree with what you said. The Envy is where you cut deep. The putter I learned to throw putters on and to this day will throw it over any midrange I own. Good video, jimmys thoroughly rustled
@reidausband93923 жыл бұрын
You should have said so, we would have rustled your jimmy’s months ago!
@ssfctid223 жыл бұрын
The Berg's perfect.
@TitanSmashMTG3 жыл бұрын
I want to dislike for tarnishing the name of the Destroyer like this, but you're brave enough to make the video so I'll just go about my day. ;)
@Khomanda3 жыл бұрын
destroyer is hyped because ricky bags like 10 of them lol
@martins4583 жыл бұрын
There's nothing I love more than an old beat up star destroyer
@ethanminiard63123 жыл бұрын
I hate destroyers lol. It’s probably because I don’t have the arm speed/control for it. Butttttt I do have a friend that hasn’t been playing a year and can absolutely crush with em.
@wakimura3033 жыл бұрын
It’s a distance driver so people just hate it because they suck, wraiths are too flippy for people with good arm speed
@Uptempojetro3 жыл бұрын
@@wakimura303 GG Halo Wraiths are super stable.
@marcusdresback3 жыл бұрын
are we speaking luna in terms of throwing, or putting? because putting, i’ve tried everything since i’ve started, every brand, every blend..i can’t find a better putting putter.
@colton28383c3 жыл бұрын
A p2😉😂
@marcusdresback3 жыл бұрын
@@colton28383c absolutely love p2’s as well! not very accessible nowadays tho sadly.
@colton28383c3 жыл бұрын
@@marcusdresback lunas are just as hard IMO!
@marcusdresback3 жыл бұрын
@@colton28383c Luckily for me, I stay by a relatively large Disc Golf spot, Hazy Shade in Dayton Ohio, who do a pretty good job of keeping that discraft premium plastic on hand, for the most part.
@madmanotl3 жыл бұрын
Before watching the video, I thought of five right away and you listed four of them. I had Tilt and not Berg. Most players want to be like the pros, get drivers designed for professional players, struggle with them, then jump on a putter since they can throw them.
@skarpengland3 жыл бұрын
Firebird is amazing! Yes, stupidly overstable, but its the only disc in my bag that i can mash on an anhyzer, it turns over a wee bit then just comes back and fades out for that perfect flex line. Also, if i only have a gap in the skies, and the fairway goes to my right, i can mash in on an anhyzer as well over the trees, and it will take me to the fairway again! NO disc in my bag can do that
@poleshark3682 жыл бұрын
How dare you say that my Kastaplast Berg is overrated. It's "MY PRECIOUSSSSSSS". You are right about all the others but NOT the Berg; No sir. Love your content guys!!!!
@NickVacca13 жыл бұрын
I agree with you about the Berg. I’ve bagged it on a few different occasions and really tried to make myself like it… but I just didn’t. However, I disagree about the Destroyer. Just because a disc isn’t beginner friendly doesn’t make it overrated 😂
@mcthompso3 жыл бұрын
Counterpoint: Everyone should have an Envy, and no matter how hyped it is, it can never be overrated.
@ChayseGrizzell3 жыл бұрын
Any 13+ speed disc. 12 speed is as fast as anyone will ever need.
@vincentvaneck32253 жыл бұрын
Nuke ?
@marcusdresback3 жыл бұрын
if you can’t pump a disc, just say that.
@ChayseGrizzell3 жыл бұрын
@@marcusdresback okay hardass. I’m pretty sure the 5x world champ doesn’t carry anything higher than a 12 speed
@ChayseGrizzell3 жыл бұрын
@@vincentvaneck3225 do you really need it tho? A Force or Zeus will basically do the same thing.
@vincentvaneck32253 жыл бұрын
@@ChayseGrizzell do u really need any disc? It’s preference and if u can use the disc well then use it
@ddownham3 жыл бұрын
I think this list fits the description of "over-hyped" rather than "overrated". You said almost every disc is good or great. But there are some crazy fans of these specific molds, and I have three Bergs.
@Bfordandafter3 жыл бұрын
Yep... overhyped makes more sense....
@thed1scpl3spodcast3 жыл бұрын
Just so the record shows... I was an envy fan before the shot. Literally bought a new one 30 minutes before he threw it and I’m glad I did! 😂😂😂
@paulfickinger47403 жыл бұрын
Same i picked up the envy when James first moved to MVP.
@thed1scpl3spodcast3 жыл бұрын
@@paulfickinger4740 Wise Choice 👍🏻😂
@Dewinsta3 жыл бұрын
Being an MVP guy I would have replaced the envy for the zone on this list, but it’s hard to argue with the logic.
@alirez4263 жыл бұрын
As someone who bags both I 100%agree with you there.
@slimetime46683 жыл бұрын
No way neither are overrated it’s the envy and atom have changed my game and I finally have putters I feel good about driving and throwing in general
@FearTheWeird3003 жыл бұрын
Idk buzz is way more popular and the zone is better. Or at least more useful
@Clydio3 жыл бұрын
@@FearTheWeird300 The zone doesn't match up with the envy. It's a tad bit more overstable. Try comparing the zone to an Entropy.
@ghillie6093 жыл бұрын
I agree with the star destroyed to an extent. I have a Gstar destroyer which flys sooo good and I can get it to flip on hyzer and even turn slightly, but when I bought my socki bot star destroyer, it flys so damn over stable, I can't even use it. I just don't have the arm speed for it and it pains me because it's soo freaking beautiful 😭 good review man
@rdonn76153 жыл бұрын
My only destroyer I have played with is a Star Sockibot. I have a decent arm (350-400 max) and I can't get that thing to S at all. No matter how much ani I put on it, it starts hyzering out immediately. Feel like I need to give a different Destroyer a shot, but don't understand the hype with the one I got.
@Jacob-ur4me3 жыл бұрын
Just re-title this disc's noobs shouldn't be throwing. Simple as that.
@Khomanda3 жыл бұрын
envy is a solid noob choice though. my first favourite disc as a starter because it always did/still does what I want it too with no fuss.
@stbw333 жыл бұрын
Disagree, Berg was my first disc after a starter pack. As a 'noob' not reaching a lot of par 3's to putting range the Berg was used almost every hole and in my opinion is the best approach disc
@TyCampbellTX3 жыл бұрын
So the Destroyer is overrated because you can't throw it correctly? lol I would define "overrated" differently. Half the list is overrated discs and the other half is a couple discs that aren't recommended for beginners.
@tylerball96003 жыл бұрын
I’ve played disc for 25 years…Destroyer is far and away the most overrated disc in my opinion. Destroyers come with an actual turn of -2 all the way to +1…the most inconsistent driver on the market.
@TyCampbellTX3 жыл бұрын
@@tylerball9600 And yet I would say that is why so many people like them. You can carry several of them in your bag for the same feel in the hand with different flights
@tylerball96003 жыл бұрын
@@TyCampbellTX I disagree completely. While I understand different plastics should make a difference the runs of destroyers vary so greatly. I’ll never throw them again.
@jwoellhof3 жыл бұрын
Basically they are overrated for newer players, but live up to the hype for advanced+ players. Change the name on your video to Top 5 Overrated Discs for Beginners, and you've hit the nail on the head.
@brianlmoon3 жыл бұрын
The DD3 (esp cloud breaker) is over rated.
@neongloom45702 жыл бұрын
The Luna changed my whole putting game, it took me a long time to find the right one. I don't really pay attention to the lists and stuff, I just go off feel. When I first picked up a Luna at the local shop I knew it was the one. I was using a Fierce before, it was almost there, but the Luna really made it some together, I've been sinking puts I never would have dreamed about hitting. I have 5 of them now.
@paytonstephens8936 Жыл бұрын
I have 10 and I love how putting with them they float so long. I too was in search for my perfect putter and same as you the Luna was it. Everything you said 100%
@jasonsall58163 жыл бұрын
The best part about “overrating” things is that they can still be overrated and be great
@carlpledger87193 жыл бұрын
well put
@undeadarmy193 жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw this title, the first disc that popped into my mind was the Innova Destroyer lol. Yes, it is a great disc, but the hype is ridiculous.
@Imrightyourewrong13 жыл бұрын
When in doubt, go Berg. Love that disc
@BergNerd3 жыл бұрын
Used screen shot of this comment in latest vid. Berg on!
@seangutermuth75153 жыл бұрын
The berg is the greatest approach disc ever made. If you dont like it/think its overrated its merely bc you dont know how to throw it
@brandonmackey20413 жыл бұрын
Happy to see another disc golfer reppin the Gospel 💪
@gingerwolf843 жыл бұрын
BERG IS AMAZING!!!! Not even close to being overrated. The disc is for shots like that, approach and getting it close to the basket lol
@Needled883 жыл бұрын
Pretty accurate list, but i think ur very wrong with envy, before conrad victory, probably 90% of the disc golfers were not know about it, but it has been the best throwing putter for many pro players at least in my country. Keeps the line, hyzer, anhyzer, flies straight, doesnt get understable very easily, cheap against many other companies. If u bag envy, u dont nessecery need any other disc.
@chrisrhome66383 жыл бұрын
The Discmania Tilt is the most Overrated disc on the market.
@navoditc3 жыл бұрын
LOL. So true. I love Simon and all but yes Tilt is massively overrated.
@reidausband93923 жыл бұрын
Wow not sure how I missed this one xD you're too right
@marcusdresback3 жыл бұрын
I play with guys that bag tilts and are always trying to find ways to use them..and i’ve literally never seen them work out 😂 never. I think Casey threw that shot and simon being able to do magic with anything,including this, made people think they’re good utility disc.
@hotmustardseed3 жыл бұрын
Of those, the only one I have is a Berg, and I dig it. Good content. Keep it coming.
@sparedpenny3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure you know what the word overrated means. This is the number one driver, this is the best throwing putter I bag 3. I'm very confused about what makes these overrated.
@raidonbay3 жыл бұрын
I understand your comment. Although, I feel this vid is looking through the lense of "hype". (Fan crazed induced markup doesn't equal true value)
@Judge_Jon3 жыл бұрын
In a nutshell here's what he says about the discs: "it's a good disc but they are rated higher than what it should be because most people bagging them can't get full potential out of them OR there are other options with almost the same flight but at a cheaper price." I'd say that's a pretty fair assessment of overrated...
@pennxl3 жыл бұрын
I think the Tilt needs to be on the list, even tho it’s a lot of fun to throw. It’s ok I’ll take my beating and show myself out. lol. But fully agree with the list. Specially for beginners and most intermediate players.
@Ali_24013 жыл бұрын
I feel like the Tilt was pretty much made to be overrated. It’s practically a meme disc, but it has a legitimate purpose in everyone’s bag.
@pennxl3 жыл бұрын
@@Ali_2401 oh I fully agree it has a spot, and is fun throw, but for what I’ve seen them selling for you’d think they guarantee an Ace with every throw. lol
@mrclifton323 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this lol. Should’ve put the buzzz on there.
@forbes4191233 жыл бұрын
every mf had at least one 4x Star Destroyer in their bag at some point lmao
@bigguyswagman44553 жыл бұрын
this man knows algorithms right here
@reidausband93923 жыл бұрын
;)
@sakucajan13863 жыл бұрын
Here in finland pa3 is by far the most overrated disc. Väinö Mäkelä is everyones hero and he is god at using those things but at the end of the day pa3 is just a normal putter
@Bfordandafter3 жыл бұрын
It is a great putter, but that makes sense over there.... and I say this being in the USA and owning a glow Pa3 with his name and an archer on the front.
@kiisseli67593 жыл бұрын
I have been putting with same luna over 1,5 years and it hasn't bended
@NathanPrintz3 жыл бұрын
But Lunas go in every time? I bag three as well. I think the mystic that they have makes me more confident when putting with them. We all know that when you putt confidently, you putt better. I threw P model US until I was able to buy 5 Lunas at retail. Now, I don’t think I can go back:
@johnkemp48983 жыл бұрын
I love the way you talked about The Destroyer that was exactly me when you're ago I Googled for the most easiest driver to use and boom it's a destroyer I took it out through it for the first time and all I could do is get it to hook left 250 ft I got it stuck up on a roof and right then I knew I was not ready for no 12-speed I packed it down to 7 to a 9-speed and the berg it helped me learn the forehand I was all backhand it's the straightest and slowest disc for beginners so it's really good for a beginner I would suggest that disc to start off with then learn the speed up higher
@robertberg73602 жыл бұрын
I think this list was pretty good I also bag bergs but I think u comment about it was pretty spot on either u know what a berg is or u probably haven’t even heard of it but I just love how berg stays dead on and sits down better then my jaybreaker challengers did
@connordeal37633 жыл бұрын
The berg is a pretty good putting putter for beginners, it’s very easy to know where it will go and feels good in the hand, but there are just as good and better putters for even cheaper. The deputy was my first putter I really felt confident with and it’s amazing for throwing hyzer flips in the woods, and in prime plastic it only costs $10
@1isone3 жыл бұрын
Don’t agree with the Berg… it’s a great approach disc and very good for what it’s intended to do, to stick on rocky surfaces. And great for putting in the wind, it just doesn’t care about wind at all. You literally don’t need another putter if you learn how to use it. It’s one of the few discs i truly think everybody should bag, and i’m not even crazy about like some are. My friend uses it for absolutely everything inside 100ft of the basket, even long puts. (Also i don’t agree with the stats either, it’s not as slow and un-glidy as it says, you can throw it pretty far and get good glide on it)
@FishingWithAlexS3 жыл бұрын
So basically any disc that blows up the secondary market is overrated? 😂
@mattmanguy11 ай бұрын
Destroyer was my first distance driver, used for a couple years or so, bought 2 times, and almost never threw it well. It always turned over on its side, and I've since had other distance drivers I throw much better, like Firestorm and Majesty.
@Don19703 жыл бұрын
I do love the Berg for holding a line on backhand turnover and forehand anhyzer throws. And it settles pretty nicely when it hits the ground. The K1 plastic feels nice.
@herculesplayinguitar3 жыл бұрын
Ive bagged the luna… totally agree. Its a good disc but no putter is alpha omega… no disc is really. I also bag a berg and firebird. Firebird is overrated but it works for me. Berg is a staple in my bag, it helps me in windy approaches and smooth flexlines in the woods!
@ReluctantAardvark3 жыл бұрын
Don’t like the smooth feel of the Luna for throwing. Love it for putting. Numbers are whack.
@dank61293 жыл бұрын
If I could buy enough ts Lunas to last for my life, I'd be so happy. It is my favorite throwing putter. I don't care for the rubber blends for throwing much though.
@chrisblair30813 жыл бұрын
@@dank6129 which year TS luna you looking for?
@dank61293 жыл бұрын
@@chrisblair3081 these 2021 ones feel ridiculous. Sadly don't have the money to drop on more. First 4 throws with my purchase were, 150ft throw in, parked 235ft soft hyzer shot, parked 215 slight anny, 133ft throw in. The things are sick and feel better than any disc in my bag.
@chrisreynolds352 жыл бұрын
After 15 years disc golfing I’ve finally graduated into throwing Fire birds & destroyers. Finally able to throw them how I want.
@MrMudEagle Жыл бұрын
When I started, I was given a bunch of broken-in discs as a gift from a friend. Some of them are very flippy and understable. They were so much easier to throw from left to right. Now, I'm developing more power. I'm gravitating toward stable discs. I ended up buying new versions of the discs I already have. I'm taking them through the process of breaking in to find a sweet spot. You're right, disc preference is completely subjective. It's a never-ending process. I got a nice chuckle from this video. I know why you made it! Disc golfers are extremely superstitious creatures! These are my discs right now. 1. Champion Leopard. 2. Leopard3 3. Star Roadrunner 4. Buzz 5. Star Sidewinder 6. Frag by Doomsday Discs (crazy cool disc) 7. AvengerSS
@jasonhopkins55693 жыл бұрын
As a local pro, I can honestly say I do not bag any on the list. I have 2 discs in my bag over 9 speed. I'm no Calvin, Ricky, Paul, or GG. I can't get a high speed much further than my fairways and I sacrafice accuracy when trying. So slow and smooth works for me. Tesla, Thunderbird, Crave, TL3 can carve up most courses.
@ToddsDiscGolf Жыл бұрын
I’m a total beginner and tried the firebird for the first time while I was doing field work earlier, hated the way it flew for me and my slow arm speed. Just immediately dumped to the left, ended up 246. I don’t see me being able to use that for a long long time. I think I’ll stick to (understable) 8 speeds and below for awhile.
@ndndiscgolf7793 жыл бұрын
I say the number one would be the cloud breaker or dd3 .
@TheNthomas19993 жыл бұрын
Booo this comment
@Cratonymous3 жыл бұрын
Must have too many viewers subscribing to throw out things like "firebirds are overrated." RIP subscription count.
@SwankyDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
😂
@krustyrustie2 жыл бұрын
Love the berg.... and really love the shirt!!
@josephmcgowan44363 жыл бұрын
Jokes on you I don't carry a Bag😂😂
@discgolfteacher3 жыл бұрын
Love the shirt! And the content.. I'll subscribe!
@teukka6233 жыл бұрын
I’ve never liked lunas as throwing putters but i have never putted with a better feeling putter than luna
@slimetime46683 жыл бұрын
I loved mine and somehow it disappeared must have fell out of my bag, but I putt with a roach now cause lunas are too hard to get
@Derek_11113 жыл бұрын
Lol so many dislikes from the offended haha. I myself use a Luna for putting and for many upshots. The only reason why I'd say it's "overrated" is because of how damn impossible it is to find and how expensive they are if you can find them. If I had known they'd be impossible to buy I would had bought 10 of them when I had the chance. So yeah that's my only gripe is the availability/expense of them. I love the grip/feel in my hand. But it's looking like I'm going to have to switch to a different putter because I can't find them. I was using a Challenger for putting and I have a stack of them for putting practice. I've only managed to find 2 Lunas. So when I practice putting I'm throwing 6 Challengers and 2 Lunas yet I putt with the Luna during rounds and don't even bag the Challengers for rounds. Would love to have a stack of Luna's for putting practice.
@micahjones83153 жыл бұрын
totally agree, also the fact that the destroyer has to be the most inconsistent disc of all time when it comes to stability
@endebtedone3 жыл бұрын
No Trilogy discs. I traded some Innova KC Pro Aviar's for Luna's and am kind of regretting it because I either don't throw them correctly or they just aren't a good fit for me. I keep trying to figure them out but keep failing to master them. It sucks because I have a buddy who throws it and is great with it. I bought a used Star Destroyer when I got into the game and can throw it decent along with the rest of my other distant drivers and sadly none of them are in my daily bag. My main drivers are the Anax and Scorch and then Raptors and Heat. I dont have the technique and touch for high speed drivers yet. One day I hope to be able to throw distance drivers but not today. Great video!!!
@TheBrinkofDiscGolf3 жыл бұрын
Love the video. I never heard of the berg untill my buddy introduced me to it. Aaaaannnnnddd it went straight into the cart. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 But like you said. There is NO in-between for that disc.
@davisbrooks23 жыл бұрын
Bro you should’ve put the aviar in there. It’s such a bad disc but everyone has one
@levislens7763 жыл бұрын
Why is it a bad disc?
@ChadSolberg3 жыл бұрын
@@levislens776 because it is bad...
@levislens7763 жыл бұрын
@@ChadSolberg So do either of you even have a reason as to why you dislike it?
@davisbrooks23 жыл бұрын
@@levislens776 the standard DX plastic that everyone gets is bad. The hype doesn’t match up to the use. The hand feel is awful. I mean that’s why Juliana Korver has her own mold of the aviar in a different plastic. She specifically said that when Dave handed her the aviar and told her to put with it she said no this won’t do.
@chrisblair30813 жыл бұрын
I hate beads myself
@zacharyramirez6523 жыл бұрын
I’m starting to think you guys are secretly discmania sponsored. No way none of those signature series are not on this list.
@reidausband93923 жыл бұрын
SOOO true lol we could have put the entire company in this video xD
@kolhorton35032 жыл бұрын
The berg has a very specific space in my bag, if it’s a down hill or ob long upshot from and I specify 110’ to 60’ it gives you the confidence to run the throw but it will not go long it just sits insane I don’t understand it I’ve tried to replace it but the k3 on the types of courses I play in arizona with hard ground it grips up or goes in half the time, I love it can’t seem to find a reason to take it out of my bag cuz when I need it it’s there, would not recommend switch to it as a circle one putter though it has many issues in the 30’ category
@austinjordan23 жыл бұрын
1- I completely agree with you. I am a finesse forehand player and the amount of times I have heard people tell other people if you want to learn a forehand buy a firebird. Those people are dumb and have trash forehands 10 times out of 10. 2- Never thrown an Envy buy I feel like if I did it would be one of my favorite discs from what I have heard about it. 3- The berg is literally the best approach disc for forehands (without wind) and I will die on this hill!!! 4- The Wraith is better. 5- If I could afford to throw Luna's I would throw them because they fly amazingly.
@travisyeggy42733 жыл бұрын
The Wraith is the most consistent disc in my bag. I got a halo version and it's not quite the same but I'm starting to figure it out
@marks94442 жыл бұрын
I thought of the Firebird instantly when I saw the video title.
@TherealPapaDogP3 жыл бұрын
This is so spot on. With the Berg, I find that people love to dye them. But the Firebird is definitely over hyped, as a thrower and as a collectible. I have three of them, two are Sextons. I bag one but I use it so little that it’s still practically 9/10. Destroyers are certainly not for most beginners. An Eagle is a better choice. It has the same turn and fade, and will probably go further.
@bobfreddy44733 жыл бұрын
bruh eagles do not go further than destroyers. If you can't handle a destroyer, use a leopard3 or understable distance driver
@TherealPapaDogP3 жыл бұрын
@@bobfreddy4473 Yes. In theory. But I’m referring to the average beginner. They would get more benefit and probably more distance with something slower. If we are just talking over-stability, and hook finishes the Eagle will do that. For distance, yeah, a beginner should stick with a leopard.
@TherealPapaDogP3 жыл бұрын
@@bobfreddy4473 I don’t like destroyers. I prefer the wraith. And distance isn’t that important to me for the courses that I play on. Everything is 400’ or less, all par 3. Throwing mid ranges and putters.
@axeslinger443 жыл бұрын
Love my Eagle! Can’t throw a Destroyer for the life of me.
@TherealPapaDogP3 жыл бұрын
@@axeslinger44 I have a few, and while I can get them out to 330-340’, I don’t like the feel a whole lot.
@jjw69613 жыл бұрын
These are just bad hot takes rather than actual overrated discs. You list the cons for the Berg as "no glide and slow" and those are two of the main reasons why so many people dig it; it's difficult to juice it past the basket on approaches and it won't skip and/or hit the ground and roll. I'd agree that the stock Firebird is overrated, but the Sexton Firebird is an objectively different mold and can't really be grouped in with the stock Firebird as unusable; one big reason why it's so popular is because there really aren't a whole lot of other molds that fill the same spot as a Sexybird (IMO the most similar discs are the Stal and Raptor) while almost every manufacturer has their own stupidly OS disc that's on par with the stock Firebird. In regards to the Destroyer, it's literally the best selling disc year after year and every other manufacturer has imitated it. Sure, tons of players go out and buy them only to realize they can't throw them well, but that doesn't mean they don't fly great for those who actually can throw them. Lastly, the Luna is the same deal as the Destroyer; it's become a stupid popular putter because it has Paul's name on it, but it's not a garbage putter. The special blend rubber plastic feels great and offers something unique compared to other putters; in a game where your putting putter really only needs to feel good in your hand and make you confident, it checks all the boxes for subjective criteria. When I think of overrated discs I think of almost every Paul McBeth disc except the Luna; the Malta, Anax, Hades, Zeus are all tweaked versions of already popular molds and all sell very well because they say McBeth on them. Not terrible molds, but none of them are all that unique compared to offerings from other manufacturers (and some actually within Discraft's lineup itself). I get this type of video is supposed to generate outrage which in turn generates clicks/views, but try harder next time instead of just copying and pasting a handful of discs from the top sellers list of the year and claiming their overrated.
@benistoneman97373 жыл бұрын
I got a ton of envy’s bought a few months ago. Very inconsistent totally willing to get rid of them. This is an awesome video
@lilcha853 жыл бұрын
I would give the Glow model a try. Very beefy and stable, tough to turn over and it just goes!
@SebM723 жыл бұрын
I bag three of these discs and don't see them leaving the bag anytime soon. 😂
@tobi122113 жыл бұрын
I don't get why people are disliking the video. It is a subjective video, how offended do people get xd
@ccdrummer3 жыл бұрын
Agree: -Envy -Berg -Luna (I love it and bag it too. But it’s overrated, I agree). Disagree: -Firebird. I’ve had a flat-top champ for 6 yrs and it hasn’t lost an ounce of stability. -Destroyer. I’ve tried the copies (Zeus, DD3, etc) and they aren’t as comfortable, nor do they fly as far. To be fair, your critiques of Firebird and Destroyer are that they aren’t good for beginners/intermediates. But I don’t think that should count as a credible critique.
@godzilla27213 жыл бұрын
When I first saw this video tag, I immediately said Destroyer. Good video as usual
@godzilla27213 жыл бұрын
Btw, when did you guys shoot this? I might of just missed you as I played there twice this past weekend
@reidausband93923 жыл бұрын
@@godzilla2721 filmed last week! Friday, I think!
@godzilla27213 жыл бұрын
@@reidausband9392 I just missed you guys then. Keep doing your thing and having fun
@grahambaskin3 жыл бұрын
Are you upset at the collectors market (the reason they're so hype), or at players thinking they're too awesome?