Top 5 Reasons I'm Not a Muslim - Jay Dyer

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[@dom3073]

Hi Jay, I am a Muslim. Would you like to discuss famous Muslim figures (i.e. Muhammad Hijab, Shaykh Omar Farook, Adnan Rashid), I can set you up in formal discussion/debate. How to get in contact?

[@SalvadorJA]

If you put the blue light a step away from you, it won't saturate the highs on the left side of your face.

[@nafisanwari6288]

Unfortunately, Jay , I feel sad for you because you are missing out on the only true religion of Earth. If Allah decided to split himself into 3 parts (astagfirullah), then there's theretically nothing stopping Him from splitting into a 100 parts. But He chose to stop at 3? Allah doesn't need parts. 7:18 Allah is not only merciful, He's the Most merciful, the Most Just. Animals or human beings are not the Most Merciful or the Most Just. They can be merciful or just, but not the Most Merciful, Most Just. Also, a creature great in mercy may not be great in justice. But Allah has all of these attributes together, in the maxed out stats. This is how Allah distinguishes Himself from the living things. You may know about mercy, but you dont have any idea of what is like to be the Most Merciful, Most Just. So, I see no contradictions in Islam here. The multiplicity of names all refer to the same being, and all are functioning at the same time and are doing the same things and have the same purpose. When Allah is punishing someone, it means the Most Just is punishing someone. At the same time, the most merciful is also punishing the same person. But When Christians say Jesus died for their sins, they never say that the Father died for their sins. So, when using the 99 names of Allah, we can easily switch between the names at the same sentence and still make perfect sense. But we cannot say the same thing about Jesus. For exaample, in the Bible, it says that Jesus fell on his face and prayed to Father. Now, replace Jesus with Father, it comes as Father fell to his face and prayed to Father (astagfirullah), it doesnt make any sense. 9:00 what you say actually supports Muslims. The commandments in Torah talk about unitarian God. So, Jesus talked about unitarian God. 11:00 So Jay understands what was actually in those texts even though the original version of Torah and Bible is lost? How did Jay get hold of the original versions? Jay needs to answer this. 13:23 The law was not corrupted as Allah sent the books originally. It was corrupted by people as they passed along the books from one generation to another . Which is why you dont have the original versions of Bible and Torah anymore. Which is also why the words in the Bible have changed over the years. 13:34 You have a valid question. Here's how Al-Qur'an counteracts this. Qur'an is a work of miracle. Amongst its many miracles, It has told about many prophesies, most of which have come true. The remaining prophesies that have yet to come true are those that pertain to the future. It is a literary miracle. Science has not been able to disprove Quran. 80% of what Qur'an says has already been proven by science. The remaining 20% is neither proven nor disproven due to lack of scientific evidence. So, by logical induction , it falls into place that the remaining 20% is also true. Compare this with the scientific inaccuracies in the Bible. So, by going with that logic, Muslims only take those portions of the Bible and Torah to be accurate which agree with the Qur'an. 17:30 Now you're just confusing me. I've never heard of any Muslim viewing Quran as a reincarnation. The word of God is eternal in the sense that it will hold true forever. However, this then brings into question how long is eternal? Remember that God created time, so God came before time. So, us humans trying to wrap our head around the concept of eternality is hard for us. So, the word of God cannot be co-eternal with God. The word was passed from God to Muhammad (pbuh) via angel Gabriel. The words were finally put to paper, to resulting in Al-Qur'an. It's as simple as that. Trying to find double meaning will confuse everyone. And when you try to find double meaning in these things, you also damage the original Bible and Torah which Allah (swt) sent to the world, because those were also words of God. So your last point, though a thought-provoking question, is applicable to all the divine books.

[@Platonism474]

The problem is your poor understanding of Islam and bible lemme address your best arguments against Islam. 1. Tanzih and God still having attributes which we find in creation. So you didn't actually understand tanzih. We both Ashari Maturidi don't say Allah being Merciful means the same thing as mercy. The key point is *we don't actually know the reality of those attributes so they are not anything which we know* and we know some of the effects of those attributes rather than saying only these are its effects, that's almost in every basic aqeedah text just try reading. 2. The worship and temple rituals. You even don't have good grip on bible. Deuteronomy 13 talks about concept of God which is ilm al Tawhid or theology in English. It's way different from law or jurisprudence. So we can have different law not different understanding of God. Interestingly you missed the point- Prophets before Moses didn't have this same temple rituals and worships so if we use your logic Moses got something which previous Prophets didn't so is he a true Prophet or not??? And more interesting is it was Moses who brought this whole law containing temple rituals and Deuteronomy 18 18 actually talks about a future Prophet who will be like Moses so a new Prophet is going to bring a new law and abrogating the previous law the same way Moses did. Now either you name the Prophet who brought new law or I'm telling you it's Prophet Muhammad (salallahu alaihi wa aalihi wa sallam) so don't fool ppl by using a verse which talks about understanding of God and using it as if it was talking about law. 3. Quran never said Torah was not corrupted stop lying 2:79 Therefore woe is to those who write the Book with their hands; and they then claim, "This is from Allah" in order to gain an abject (worldly) price for it; therefore woe to them for **what their hands have written**, and woe to them for what they earn with it. The Arabic word in the second part of the verse is كتبت which is a past tense meaning it's talking about the textual corruption which they did in the past. 4. For diety of Christ I'll be very precise- none of the earliest Christians believed he was God that's consensus of all the historians and secular New testament scholars. The earliest Christians were Jewish converts who didn't believe in God Messiah. And for the Old Testament passages like the angel of the Lord so the thing is ancient jews never had same understanding of those passages as you and now you ppl developed a new understanding of God which ancient Israelites never had so Deuteronomy 13:1-5 actually disprove you completely. 5. Iconography- that was a terrible argument. Look at our classical mosques and monuments like Taj Mahal, Badshahi Masjid etc. You are easy to refute.

[@ConradThePalamite]

@@dom3073he has asked mohammed hijab for a debate on twitter but he hasn’t replied

[@Loneshdo]

"The Bible is corrupted when it makes my worldview look silly"

[@abdumuminkhan8268]

the bible is corrupted because its a messy amalgamation of loosely related and poorly translated manuscripts that has a major consistency problem across multiple narratives

[@ahmedozturk2723]

I'm a Turkish Orthodox Christian convert from Islam, because of your video debating Shaykh Asrar Rashid, that helped me.

[@christianorthodoxy4769]

Good for you' blessings my brother.

[@TropicalGardeningCyprus]

God bless you brother, by God's grace, may all Turkish people come to Orthodoxy.

[@illyrian9866]

Welcome brother, from an Albanian Orthodox ☦️

[@GamePhyisician7]

@@illyrian9866 Albanian and Turkish Orthodox people are based

[@christophsurbeck2814]

@@illyrian9866 oh, the first Albanian orthodox i come across. I hope to one day meet one

[@andys3035]

5 reasons why I'm not a Muslim: 1. Muhammad 2. Muhammad 3. Muhammad 4. Muhammad 5. Allah

[@somethingrandomyt8367]

😂

[@GeoBBB123]

You forgot that divine masterpiece that is the Quran ...

[@duelz9366]

@@GeoBBB123 How can the Quran be divine? Are you saying Allah is not completely unique from his creation?

[@sabi3052]

Christians and Hindus worship humans ❤

[@andys3035]

@@sabi3052 Muslims kiss a black stone

[@SILVERONIN]

I left Islam, it's not a religion that elevates my spirit but it stagnates my spirit.

[@standyourground8534]

don't let these christians fool you into having a free gift. free gifts ensure the downfall of mankind.

[@GamePhyisician7]

@@standyourground8534 dont let Muslims keep you from seeking truth

[@standyourground8534]

@@GamePhyisician7 i'd love to know the truth. how do you think "free gifts" benefit society?

[@standyourground8534]

@@LadyMaria " I cannot just say "cool, free gift" and toss it in the corner and expect it to do anything but die. What would that benefit me to let it die? Nothing." But why will a free gift from god 'die' if not nurtured by you? The fact that it dies is a consequence created and implemented by god for not listening to him. *If god is going to take it away because you don't listen to him, how is it "free"?*

[@standyourground8534]

@@LadyMariaMy friend, think logically. 1. If He is the one one doing the nurturing, then He is the one doing the work. Right? Shouldn't you be the one to do the work to be able to keep the free gift? 2. "It is what happens if you walk away." Why will you walk away 'from' a free gift? You are ignoring the fact that what makes something truly free is that you get to walk away 'with' the free gift. Notice the difference between "with the free gift " and "from the free gift"? *If you have to show your loyalty to the gifter, then it's a bribe, not a free gift.* 3. "Only an evil god would demand people to worship Him." Ofcourse, that's why you get to walk away 'with' the free gift (of deliverence), without doing anything in return. *0 demand.*

[@aurochs1]

Islam can trick some Protestants but not the fullness of Orthodoxy

[@KevinSmith-jn3ws]

Islam never trick Evangelicals they learn Arabic to refute it

[@letigre3816]

⁠@fearp0rnhubthat one converted from orthodoxy into catholicism then he became black stone worshipper 😁

[@theirrelevantopinion7547]

Nor the fullness of Catholicism. Can't trump the Apostolic Gang

[@warrior_4God]

It cannot trick Protestants 🤣

[@riddicktruth3633]

As if 😂😂😂😂

[@amirhojatiexmuslim4062]

Jay, I was a Muslim. Christian Prince made me leave Islam. You made me convert to Orthodox Christianity. Please debate more with Muslims. You always school them

[@Platonism474]

The problem is your poor understanding of Islam and bible lemme address your best arguments against Islam. 1. Tanzih and God still having attributes which we find in creation. So you didn't actually understand tanzih. We both Ashari Maturidi don't say Allah being Merciful means the same thing as mercy. The key point is *we don't actually know the reality of those attributes so they are not anything which we know* and we know some of the effects of those attributes rather than saying only these are its effects, that's almost in every basic aqeedah text just try reading. 2. The worship and temple rituals. You even don't have good grip on bible. Deuteronomy 13 talks about concept of God which is ilm al Tawhid or theology in English. It's way different from law or jurisprudence. So we can have different law not different understanding of God. Interestingly you missed the point- Prophets before Moses didn't have this same temple rituals and worships so if we use your logic Moses got something which previous Prophets didn't so is he a true Prophet or not??? And more interesting is it was Moses who brought this whole law containing temple rituals and Deuteronomy 18 18 actually talks about a future Prophet who will be like Moses so a new Prophet is going to bring a new law and abrogating the previous law the same way Moses did. Now either you name the Prophet who brought new law or I'm telling you it's Prophet Muhammad (salallahu alaihi wa aalihi wa sallam) so don't fool ppl by using a verse which talks about understanding of God and using it as if it was talking about law. 3. Quran never said Torah was not corrupted stop lying 2:79 Therefore woe is to those who write the Book with their hands; and they then claim, "This is from Allah" in order to gain an abject (worldly) price for it; therefore woe to them for **what their hands have written**, and woe to them for what they earn with it. The Arabic word in the second part of the verse is كتبت which is a past tense meaning it's talking about the textual corruption which they did in the past. 4. For diety of Christ I'll be very precise- none of the earliest Christians believed he was God that's consensus of all the historians and secular New testament scholars. The earliest Christians were Jewish converts who didn't believe in God Messiah. And for the Old Testament passages like the angel of the Lord so the thing is ancient jews never had same understanding of those passages as you and now you ppl developed a new understanding of God which ancient Israelites never had so Deuteronomy 13:1-5 actually disprove you completely. 5. Iconography- that was a terrible argument. Look at our classical mosques and monuments like Taj Mahal, Badshahi Masjid etc. You are easy to refute.

[@andrewye1160]

@@Platonism474even your allah and muhammad do not even know what Christians really believe. Do you know your quran got wrong about Holy Trinity? 😅

[@elijahsojourner9144]

@@Platonism474 Abdul, All of what you have said is just your opinion. Answer me on this. Allah the Muslim god has just one prophet, an illiterate prophet called Mohama. (SAWS, SAWS) Allah has no prophet other than Mohama. Allah popped up in the 6th century in Arabia out of nowhere. How than can he be God ? Where are the uncorrupted writings of the prophets, the so called original message of Allah ? If Allah is indeed God, why is there no record of the uncorrupted writings of the prophets, that Allah supposedly sent ? That the Bible is corrupted, is a lie fabricated by Muslims, to cover up for the fact that Allah has only one illiterate prophet Mohama. If the Jews inserted the name of Issac, what was Allah doing ? Was he busy looking for a wife ? Where are Allah's original uncorrupted writings ? if Allah could not protect and preserve his word from corruption by the Jews and Christians, that he is impotent , and cannot be the creator or sustainer of this universe. Allah sending his prophets was a vain exercise by a helpless god. All of God's word is Eternal and not for a specific period of time. as Allah or his camel doctor Zakir Naik claims. If he could perfectly preserve the Quran, why was he not able to preserve the writings of the prophets ? If he says the Torah and the Gospels were for a specific period period of time, than the same reasoning could be applied to the Quran, that it was only for his illiterate prophet and Arabs of the 6th century. By this reasoning, it is clear that Allah is a illegitimate god, and a deceiver and a liar and he cannot be the creator or sustainer of this universe.

[@catholicrusader7]

@@Platonism474your all knowing allah got the trinity wrong. this fact alone disproves islam as being false

[@aevoza8759]

@@Platonism474I ain’t reading allat 😂

[@alexwarstler9000]

Personally, the apologetics work you are doing against the Muslims has been very informative in helping me to better understand Christianity.

[@samuelwilliams6171]

Hindu trinity Bhrahma Vishnu Shiva Christian trinity Father son holy spirit All pagan religions have trinity as part of their belief and traditions. Christianity seems to be more close to hinduism than Judaism and Islam. Ex Christian and Muslim Alhamdulillah ☝

[@Orthobro33]

@@samuelwilliams6171 you suddenly went from one (Christian) heresy to another. That’s all you have done.

[@Hollow-u8t]

@@samuelwilliams6171 paganism does not, Hellenism and Asatru do not

[@deadalivemaniac]

@@samuelwilliams6171you realize the Trimurti is moralistic, right?

[@slavi7191]

Jay's channel is far too underrated. He should have way more subscribers.

[@SahihUzair]

Agree ,he is a very smart and intelligent.

[@Platonism474]

The problem is your poor understanding of Islam and bible lemme address your best arguments against Islam. 1. Tanzih and God still having attributes which we find in creation. So you didn't actually understand tanzih. We both Ashari Maturidi don't say Allah being Merciful means the same thing as mercy. The key point is *we don't actually know the reality of those attributes so they are not anything which we know* and we know some of the effects of those attributes rather than saying only these are its effects, that's almost in every basic aqeedah text just try reading. 2. The worship and temple rituals. You even don't have good grip on bible. Deuteronomy 13 talks about concept of God which is ilm al Tawhid or theology in English. It's way different from law or jurisprudence. So we can have different law not different understanding of God. Interestingly you missed the point- Prophets before Moses didn't have this same temple rituals and worships so if we use your logic Moses got something which previous Prophets didn't so is he a true Prophet or not??? And more interesting is it was Moses who brought this whole law containing temple rituals and Deuteronomy 18 18 actually talks about a future Prophet who will be like Moses so a new Prophet is going to bring a new law and abrogating the previous law the same way Moses did. Now either you name the Prophet who brought new law or I'm telling you it's Prophet Muhammad (salallahu alaihi wa aalihi wa sallam) so don't fool ppl by using a verse which talks about understanding of God and using it as if it was talking about law. 3. Quran never said Torah was not corrupted stop lying 2:79 Therefore woe is to those who write the Book with their hands; and they then claim, "This is from Allah" in order to gain an abject (worldly) price for it; therefore woe to them for **what their hands have written**, and woe to them for what they earn with it. The Arabic word in the second part of the verse is كتبت which is a past tense meaning it's talking about the textual corruption which they did in the past. 4. For diety of Christ I'll be very precise- none of the earliest Christians believed he was God that's consensus of all the historians and secular New testament scholars. The earliest Christians were Jewish converts who didn't believe in God Messiah. And for the Old Testament passages like the angel of the Lord so the thing is ancient jews never had same understanding of those passages as you and now you ppl developed a new understanding of God which ancient Israelites never had so Deuteronomy 13:1-5 actually disprove you completely. 5. Iconography- that was a terrible argument. Look at our classical mosques and monuments like Taj Mahal, Badshahi Masjid etc. You are easy to refute.

[@slavi7191]

@@Platonism474 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Platonism474]

Yeah that was funny ​@@slavi7191

[@6BarcaXavi]

Wait so if Allah is unlike anything in creation, then a physical book (the quran) can tell us nothing about Allah’s eternal word?

[@markmartinez7715]

Muslims stay taking L's in this comment section. I can't get enough lol. Watching their cognitive dissonance is like watching an 18-car pile up on the highway, it's horrible, but you can't look away.

[@glorytofathersonandholyspirit]

😂

[@M.O.N.K.3]

Jay literally ate all the Muslims he debated for breakfast, I doubt that any Muslim would challenge him to a debate

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

Him and Sam Shamoun.

[@Platonism474]

The problem is your poor understanding of Islam and bible lemme address your best arguments against Islam. 1. Tanzih and God still having attributes which we find in creation. So you didn't actually understand tanzih. We both Ashari Maturidi don't say Allah being Merciful means the same thing as mercy. The key point is *we don't actually know the reality of those attributes so they are not anything which we know* and we know some of the effects of those attributes rather than saying only these are its effects, that's almost in every basic aqeedah text just try reading. 2. The worship and temple rituals. You even don't have good grip on bible. Deuteronomy 13 talks about concept of God which is ilm al Tawhid or theology in English. It's way different from law or jurisprudence. So we can have different law not different understanding of God. Interestingly you missed the point- Prophets before Moses didn't have this same temple rituals and worships so if we use your logic Moses got something which previous Prophets didn't so is he a true Prophet or not??? And more interesting is it was Moses who brought this whole law containing temple rituals and Deuteronomy 18 18 actually talks about a future Prophet who will be like Moses so a new Prophet is going to bring a new law and abrogating the previous law the same way Moses did. Now either you name the Prophet who brought new law or I'm telling you it's Prophet Muhammad (salallahu alaihi wa aalihi wa sallam) so don't fool ppl by using a verse which talks about understanding of God and using it as if it was talking about law. 3. Quran never said Torah was not corrupted stop lying 2:79 Therefore woe is to those who write the Book with their hands; and they then claim, "This is from Allah" in order to gain an abject (worldly) price for it; therefore woe to them for **what their hands have written**, and woe to them for what they earn with it. The Arabic word in the second part of the verse is كتبت which is a past tense meaning it's talking about the textual corruption which they did in the past. 4. For diety of Christ I'll be very precise- none of the earliest Christians believed he was God that's consensus of all the historians and secular New testament scholars. The earliest Christians were Jewish converts who didn't believe in God Messiah. And for the Old Testament passages like the angel of the Lord so the thing is ancient jews never had same understanding of those passages as you and now you ppl developed a new understanding of God which ancient Israelites never had so Deuteronomy 13:1-5 actually disprove you completely. 5. Iconography- that was a terrible argument. Look at our classical mosques and monuments like Taj Mahal, Badshahi Masjid etc. You are easy to refute.

[@DillaDonuts]

​@@Platonism474mohammed had sex with a 9 year old as a 50 year old... case closed 😂

[@OlympiaCHUD]

If I’m first do I get a Dyerwave funko pop?

[@famousace4652]

no

[@OlympiaCHUD]

@@famousace4652 😞 I still appreciate you fren

[@famousace4652]

@@OlympiaCHUD ♥️

[@stephanjoubert1087]

Shalom from South Africa 🇿🇦 I'm so glad I found your channel Jay . I'm blown away by your annointing & ministry .. Thank U King Yeshua for Soldiers like U ...

[@sosukeaizen7028]

St. John of Damascus has a really good section on Islam in his book "On Heresies". Check it out anyone who's reading this.

[@RobertGlaze1]

Definitely gonna check it out.

[@BornAgainJohn]

Where can we find that?

[@piss_blood3191]

Isn't Islam just a bootleg Judaism?

[@NorthernObserver]

I’ve always thought the sura of the massacre of the Jewish village that refused Mohammed to be highly suspect. It seems very theatrical and over dramatic. It makes one wonder if “The Text” is hiding its origin as a Samaritan spiritual revenge plot against The Empire and The Church. After all the Samaritans had revolted and been driven into exile from Palestine as recently as the 550s.

[@P.Whitestrake]

Bootleg Arianism + Nestorianism + Judaism.

[@ChrisGamerr]

@@NorthernObserver Does that mean it's highly probable that the "Palestinians" of this day and age are Samaritans?

[@tariqthebiblicalscholar5865]

Christianity is Greek paganism.

[@andrevisser7542]

@@tariqthebiblicalscholar5865, Islam is Arabic paganism.

[@danielalvarez5064]

Alonzo Harris was predestined by Muhammadurr to pray to a 🪨

[@TheAncientLight]

heard that name before, I wonder where!

[@dundadunda552]

Ladyboy alonzo Harris believes in 4 gods alhat manat aluzah and allah and his 2 right hands and 1shin

[@kenkola3208]

Reason #1 : i have a functioning brain End of the video

[@GabrielaLtc]

@@SuperDuperColossal wrong translation

[@GabrielaLtc]

@@SuperDuperColossal a heart without a brain is like a bird with one wing. So, muslims are not supposed to ask questions about what islam teaches? They follow blindly? In contrast, Christ told His followers to be wise as serpents. You need your brain for that.

[@GabrielaLtc]

@@SuperDuperColossal are you aware that the devil deceived Adam and Eve? Back then the animals were not afraid of the first created people. The devil, wanting to gain their trust, came in a shape they knew. Got it? What about answering my question?

[@GabrielaLtc]

@@SuperDuperColossal how do you purify your gut? I mean your heart? Do you do enema?

[@GabrielaLtc]

@@SuperDuperColossal I already do. Without my brain I would be a mindless sheep. I live my life according to God's commands as revealed through His Church.

[@RagnarLothbrok2222]

Love your work man!

[@Dr.YehudaBenNachmanFriedburg]

Second temple had a lot of iconography of the seraphims as well. As did many synagogues for that time.

[@nox567]

Can you give some examples of those temples?

[@yingmihai]

@@nox567 Dura Europos Synagogue

[@AssyrianEasternOrthodox]

Amazing Video! Remember though brother, Tawhīd just means "Unity", & so our theology possesses "Tawhīd", & I'd argue more coherently.

[@robbbyT]

Jay dyer came in clutch. I just looked up if you had a video about this and you came out with it yesterday 😂

[@TropicalGardeningCyprus]

Ieronymos II of Athens once said that, Islam is NOT a religion, it's a political system. And I agree completely.

[@DivineHellas]

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[@Hastenforthedawm]

This dude has never read the Torah before in his life

[@Loneshdo]

It always struck me as more of a legal code in order to control people. I know its a cringe atheist talking point to describe all religions, but I think that description fits Islam perfectly.

[@Hastenforthedawm]

@@Loneshdo Judaism is similar (except not having territory for a long time) but without the comprehensiveness of Islamic law. Compare both to Christianity, which wasn't strong enough to combat Roman law and merely just adapted Roman law, and in modern times has no power and just sucks up to secular liberal law (except on specific topics when useful like abortion, LGBT and other hot topics).

[@Orthobro33]

@@Hastenforthedawm Ieronymos II of Athens studied theology to become an archbishop, so he studied the Torah, which is a part from Old Testament

[@mohammedraheef1415]

wassup jay, thanks for bringing back my interest into theology! Currently secular, but will be doing my existential research here in a couple of years, thanks to you, also thanks for making it easy too.

[@mkultravictimbf]

I was in the same position as you and while not the sole reason, Jay is def the one who has had the biggest impact on my journey back to God and later Orthodoxy. For that I am ever thankful. I will keep you in my prayers and hopefully, by God's grace, I'll see you in our Church one day.

[@mohammedraheef1415]

@@mkultravictimbf time will tell

[@NadaVerse]

🙏🏽

[@David-kz2im]

@@mohammedraheef1415 Judging by your name, I assume that you’re an ex-Muslim? If so, I am too. I however, became Orthodox after my ‘searching’ phase.

[@mohammedraheef1415]

@@David-kz2im we’ll see. I come from a Shia tradition, but don’t associate with such a title as “ex-Muslim” to cringe for my liking.

[@Welcome2TheUnknown]

If a prophet or "god" would call himself The Great Deceiver than I'm totally out. No thanks.

[@funkmaster5669]

Imagine Allah showed Muhammad a false information in a dream and deceived him according to Q 8:43

[@Welcome2TheUnknown]

@@funkmaster5669 this is why Andrew Tate converting to Islam is a total joke.

[@funkmaster5669]

@@Welcome2TheUnknown so called "Allah" is a devil it's clear, momo was sweaty, red, choked by an "angel", he heard voices of bees and bells during "divine revelation"

[@tariqthebiblicalscholar5865]

Jay Dyer appeals to cheap apologetics. Your god deceived in the bible. He even tells prophets to be lying spirits in the bible. Don’t conflate your bible with Islam.

[@Welcome2TheUnknown]

@@tariqthebiblicalscholar5865 🤦‍♂️

[@funkmaster5669]

this argument was used by Jay but I edited this as I wanted lol Christian: is there any similarity between created and uncreated according to Islam? Muslim: no, because, according to doctrine of "Tanzih" Allah is totally unlike his creation Christian: is Quran speech of God Muslim: yes Christian: is speech of God one of these 99 attributes of Allah? Muslim: yes Christian: so Quran (word of Allah) is eternal, divine and attribute of Allah, right? Muslim: yes Christian: is the Quran {a physical book} a physical representation of divine speech? Muslim: obviously Christian: so physical book {Quran} is an image of divine attribute, because it represents divine words, right? Muslim: yes Christian: so there is similarity between created and uncrated, because his attribute can be depicted by a physical book, physical book is an icon of his divine attribute so there is contradiction in your theology, your doctrine of "Tanzih" sucks

[@JayDyer]

Bingo

[@tariqthebiblicalscholar5865]

Muslims believe in real attributes. Jay Dyer has no knowledge in Islamic theology. We confirm real attributes. Your comment is a red herring. Your argument is weak. Christians claim the sacrifice is the greatest act of love. This love includes ‘justice and mercy’. Your definition of the act of love includes justice and mercy. Are the persons just and merciful to eachother? If you reject that mercy and justice is in the definition of love. You should stop calling the sacrifice an act of love. You should define love as a feeling. If you define it as a feeling. God can love himself. You are incoherent. It’s a cheap emotional argument. The attribute of love is arbitrarily chosen only for emotions. What about his wrath? Does he need to express his wrath eternally to be complete? Or you just pick and choose and appeal to emotions?

[@patrick953]

@@tariqthebiblicalscholar5865 You are also incoherent. The concept of an Omni creator which is eternal and Immutable is stupid and nonsensical. If your God had the potential for wrath or Mercy etc but was only able to actualise it once creation came into existence, then he has changed and is not Immutable. He has moved from point A (potentiality) to point B (actuality). There has to be time for there to be change, without time there is no point A or point B. If your God moved from point A to point B, then he is subject to time and change just like his creation. It is all nonsense, how can God have speech? Does he have vocal cords? Speech is a human mode of communication, why can't your God communicate in a superior way (perhaps telepathically). Why does he need to write stupid books and then go to sleep and allow them to be lost or corrupted? Why does your God have a throne? Does he have buttocks? A throne is a Chair in which humans place their buttocks to rest, so if your God has a throne, does he also have a table? All of the above are things that are unique to the human Physiology, so why does your God have them? The simple answer is that your God is a fabrication of the human mind, just like all the other Gods which you laugh at and criticize. Your God intends to communicate with humans, but chooses a very poor and inefficient way to communicate. And to top if off, he communicates stupid tales like Suleiman & the talking ants, Moses & and a Samaritan in the Bronze age, Dhul Qarnain & the fairy-tale wall and Zombies that have never been found till today, the fabricated Christian tale of the sleepers of the cave etc. In addition to these stupidities, he also allows his so called prophets to commit abominations like child marriage (under 10's, not even up to double digits in age), Slavery (including for sex), in-breeding (Cousin Marriages), Genital mutilation (Both male and female) etc. How about you use that your brain to critique your own fake religion just as you do with others, so that you may free your mind from madness.

[@tomolo2619]

All religions presented themselves as Llies when they denied Jesus his sacrifice! God is holy and therefore inevitably always righteous. So God can never be merciful, gracious, because grace is not justice and therefore is wrong! A holy God can only be holy if he Never does wrong !! So Fact is without Jesus his SACRIFICE out of love for us we would all be lost! Only YHWH is not lying when he says he is HOLY and merciful! Who is YHWH equal? Exactly no one!! JESUS gave himself as a sin offering !! A pure life for a life !! Because we have to be holy = without guilt otherwise God will judge us fair and just !! Jesus is YHWH and thus the Creator of everything and thus has the weight to wash the whole creation clean with these pure lives (Blood) !! God bless you

[@billy5470]

@@patrick953 bro his Islamic IQ can’t counter that😂

[@TEFFTPATTERN]

I started to get into Islam, I was in love with the concept of discipline and community, having a religion so devotional that you would need to think about it every day all the time just to do it correctly, some of the wisdom of the clerics and the mystery drew me in. I started to read the Quran and immediately it just seemed off. Like this gut instinct that I never got from the Bible. Even when the Bible is at its wackiest or most arcane parts, there is still some sort of logic about why it’s there, and there is still a discussion to be had throughout the ages about that section in context, sometimes those are the best discussions. But the straw that broke the camels back was the part where Muhammad adds something that was so obviously not from God, so obviously human, that the whole entire thing just fell like a house of cards, and it changed the lens I saw the entire religion through, everything became clear and it all looked warped, ugly, and I could see how it could actually be a religion created by the Devil. The devils main mission is to lead us to our death without God. Islam through a combination of fear and jihad make for a factory of slaves for the devil. Our God wants us to be his children, their God wants them to be his slaves. The part I read that changed everything was Sura Al Azahb 33:53. It’s literally the type of thing I would want to write if a whole tribe thought I was their only landline to God. But even I would think to myself “no, that’s too obvious and it will give this away”…. So there’s no way I’m following a religion made by a guy who’s dumber than I am. End of story

[@andys3035]

Yeah, that surah is ridiculous. Allah was thinking for all eternity about ways of getting rid of dinner guests that annoyed Muhammad. The reason Muhammad was annoyed was because he was worried about the homies checking out his wives because he was a sexual control freak deviant.

[@atlas944]

I am new to Christianity and have been learning the Bible as diligently as I can, and diving into the history and the early church and the philosophy and all that. One of the reasons (though a minor one) is so that I might be able to read through the Quran and see connections or lack thereof, to see more for myself what people are speaking of. I just read the “verse” (not sure if that is what they are called) you pointed out. What?!? I don’t understand how this can be in a holy book. Is there a context I am missing? I read the “chapter” prior and after as well as the whole chapter this verse was in and I am just stunned. Just like you said, it is way too human. Is it because in English it comes across weird? Maybe the culture of that time it made sense to speak like this even from “god”? Do you have any charitable thoughts on how this verse could possibly be seen as anything but immature and out of place?

[@andys3035]

@atlas944 yeah, it was because Muhammad was worried about people checking out his wives and so he created this verse to put fear in people. So Allah spent eternity worried about dinner guests who overstay their welcome and then Muhammad would get paranoid about guys checking out his wives. It's a clear sign the book is nonsense.

[@chad14533]

video we needed!!! killing it with all these videos!!

[@orthonews2176]

Mike drop.... Best refutation I've heard so far.....also the quaran supposedly affirms the Psalms but the Psalms are a big part of the liturgical worship of israel.....so where is the continuation of the temple and liturgical worship that came before it??...... twirling around a black pagan rock in Saudi Arabia?

[@etinarcadiaego7972]

Hi from Greece 🇬🇷! Are you a Christian orthodox?

[@David-pe4wy]

Yes, he is orthodox

[@TheRealRealOK]

We love these Top # lists.

[@drcrispyjohnson2242]

Top of the pops

[@TheRealRealOK]

@@drcrispyjohnson2242 Oi! Nice reference, Boomer.

[@drcrispyjohnson2242]

@@TheRealRealOK Gen X here bigot

[@armang4766]

@@drcrispyjohnson2242 get your ageism right!

[@TheRealRealOK]

@@drcrispyjohnson2242 We’re basics boomers.

[@Sylvia-of9hj]

I'm not a Muslim for one reason. Islam is not a religion; it's a cult. But I have six basic reasons for this supposition. I was a Pagan for some 22 years, and for about 3 years of that time, I was in a cult myself. I found out that cults have six basic characteristics, four of them are the core characteristics of cults, and the last two I call "hard core" characteristics of cults. The Four Core Characteristics of Cults Core Characteristic One - Altered States of Consciousness All cults use repetition to induce a hypnotically receptive state, emphasizing one of the senses, usually that of sound. So this repetition can include chanting, drumming, or some types of repetitive music. Regarding Islam, the mandatory chanting Muslims are required to perform some three to five times per day uses the auditory method of inducing trance, that is, a hypnotically receptive state. Islam also uses a physical method of repetition to induce trance in its Sufi, mystical branch, with its whirling and repetitive movement. Repetition used to induce trance can also be of a repetitive visual nature, with the swinging pendulum, candle gazing, or any visual repetition. The reason that repetition causes trance and susceptibility to hypnosis is because repetition, especially auditory, causes the brain to fall into sync with its environment, especially of sound. This is called entrainment. So the brain has four speeds, and each of the four speeds is present primarily when an individual is experiencing a different state of consciousness. Or it can work vice versa, a state of consciousness can be induced by changing the brain wave speed. The four speeds & their corresponding states of consciousness are Beta, the fastest, present when the person is in critical thought mode; Alpha, slower than Beta, a transitional state of consciousness from critical thought mode into sleep, relaxation, & creativity; Theta, the next slowest pattern which features the subconscious mind state; and Delta, the unconscious mind, the slowest speed, present in sleep stages. So the repetitive sound used in cults messes with the normal brain wave patterns, to emphasize Theta waves especially. When the brain is experiencing primarily Theta waves, critical thought is gone, the use of language is gone, and the mind communicates only in symbols, colors, smells, and emotions. So since critical thought is gone, this is the stage where hypnotic suggestion can be planted in the person's mind. Suggestions like, "Why don't you go out and blow yourself up." Jesus warned us about "vain repetitions," and I believe he was talking about the type of chanting used in cults. Core Characteristic Two - Submission Islam means "Submission!" Cults in general break down an individual's personal ego, and the chanting used in them breaks down the person's sense of self. There are many other reasons why the person with a poor sense of personal boundaries and lack of self esteem that exist on individual bases. But the mind control, the induction of hypnotic receptivity, used in cults is what molds these negative factors together and makes them lethal. All cults have a cult leader who is worshipped by the people who have a poor sense of self worth. Core Characteristic Three - Siege Mentality Cult members are made to feel it's them and the cult leader against the world. Again, the altered states of consciousness have a big role to play here, because of the deep states of trance that cult members go into, reaching Delta states on an abnormal induced basis. People with an emphasis on Delta are "hypervigilant," with heightened sense of threats. Core Characteristic Four - Ritual What is Ritual? And what can be wrong with it? Ritual is a symbolic action taken, usually to celebrate an event, or to bring family or community together with each other or in touch with God. So rituals usually are positive. A wedding or other religious ceremony is a positive ritual. Then there are the many positive religious rituals, civic rituals, some holidays are a rituals where people get the change to socialize. When does a ritual turn bad? When the person is first induced into a hypnotically receptive state, and then perform the symbolic action, and that's what cults do. Hard Core Characteristic Five - Possession Possession happens in cults partially because the cult follower's guard and common sense are down. Again, the repetition causing the hypnotic state are largely responsible for this state of mind, as well as personal factors of low self esteem. With regular induction of repetition (ie, chanting, drumming, music, movement, or repetitive visual stimuli), the brain is in more frequent states of Theta waves, where the subconscious is prominent. More Theta waves means fewer Beta waves, that means less critical thought, so hypnotic suggestion flies "under the radar" in the cult member's subconscious mind, where the person is less able to question it or even to verbalize or define it because, remember, language is not a function of the subconscious mind. And what does the use of repetition the way it's used in cults cause? It causes a slowing down of brain speeds, and therefore of our personal vibratory rate. And a known characteristic of evil level spiritual realms is a lower vibratory rate; whereas, high spirituality is associated with a high vibratory rate of the aura. Hard Core Characteristic Six - The use of blood in ritual Some occultists I knew used their own blood in rituals, a practice known as "cutting." I never used blood in ritual, instinctively, just feeling that was a bridge too far. But other occultists use their own blood in cutting, and worse. In the Book of Mark, Chapter Five, Jesus heals a possessed man who lived in the tombs. And what did this man do? He continually cut himself. And in the Book of Kings, when Jezebel's "Prophets" of Bael were losing their contest with Elijah, what did they do? They started cutting themselves to summon the demons, whom they thought to be gods. The attraction of blood for the demonic world for blood can be understood in the Biblical quote, "The life of the flesh is in the blood." And further reading of the Book of Mark tells more. The demons begged Jesus to allow them to inhabit another body, any body, the bodies of the pigs, so they would not have to go back to Tartarus. So demons need to possess a body or they go back to the pit. And what's the defining feature of a body, what is the life of the body, that is, of the flesh? It's blood. Some occultists attract demons, whom they believe are gods and goddesses, with the blood, and then drink the blood to have the demon actually inside them, the full blown possession. This is the reason that the Eucharist is the most important ritual in Christianity, because it's Jesus' blood and body, and when we consume it, we are protected against a demonic world. His blood is the only blood that can repel the demonic. Our pathetic human blood can only feed it, if presented during the act of ritual. This is the reason why he had to come here and shed his blood. His is the only one that can fight the demonic. A cult, on the other hand, uses human blood, such as the way Muslims use their own blood in ritual on events such as Ashura.

[@candaniel]

More paragraphing would really help the readability.

[@kazumakiryu157]

I ain't reading allat. But I agree.😂😂😂

[@AshTheGamerIsAwesome]

brother was never muslim

[@hatimdraoui5838]

I stumbled upon your comment, and I find your observations about cults to be really interesting, there is just one single issue. The majority of Muslims are sunni Muslims not Sufi(Who use the physical method of repetition..) not Shia(who donate blood on the day of Ashura). It would be interesting if you could do the same analysis but concentrate on Sunni islam only.

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

Here’s a good reason: Islam threw away the entire book of Leviticus. No true connection with the Old or New Testaments. Otherwise 70 A.D. would have repeated itself in any of the Patriarchates.

[@drcrispyjohnson2242]

Reason 6, I am allergic to sand.

[@mstash5]

It's coarse and rough, irritating, and it gets everywhere.

[@dundadunda552]

I don't want 72 houries...2 is enough

[@FreddieGamingHD]

Wasn’t Jesus from Palestine?

[@dundadunda552]

@@FreddieGamingHD and?

[@shafinrahman2199]

@@dundadunda552 You're allergic to Jesus? Because hating Islam because it's a "Sand n***ger" religion should give you the same reason to hate Jesus cz he's from those lands.

[@vtecchair]

Yooo jayz books organized asf.

[@vangeliskaziakos4839]

Dear Jay Dyer, may our Lord,The God of the Saints, Jesus Christ,bless you,with His divine light,love,health and power with your wife and companion,to be for many years, confessor of the true Orthodox Christian Religion,enemy of the demons,polymath,a teacher with authentic honour and respectful example of husband's noble masculinity. If you are kind enough, make a video about the religion generally and for the fact of the Truth about Orthodox Church.

[@righteousrebellion90]

Love this video.

[@orientalorthodoxchristianc7355]

Edifying Video.

[@cassiopeia4672]

Ohw.. your contents are so lovely 💓💐

[@NadaVerse]

Great work Jay! And you are correct that Islam is book worship…(as another Jay has been saying for years) “Islam is all about *the Book and the Man”* ~Jay Smith

[@miguelfadous7260]

jay smith is a beast and vastly undervalued and vastly underutilized. the only polemic speaker i know that can dismantle Islam like no other. i knew of jay smith before I came across the legend that is jay dyer. jay smith is the kryptonite to any muslim apologist.

[@shafinrahman2199]

@@miguelfadous7260 Apologists. Not other Muslims haha.

[@emilywood6830]

How is Islam all about "the book and the man?" when all practicing Muslims pray to God 5 times a day.

[@renee6989]

Do we have a “why I’m not reformed” ?

[@christianorthodoxy4769]

Just reading the little history of of the Protestant Reformation (Deformation") is enough to make a sound)) individual with discernment and common sense, Run!" Away from all that Chaos and Confusion' it's a Mockery.' but I'm glad it Looks.. like you are out of that mess.

[@mkultravictimbf]

I would consider taking Islam seriously if they actually held the OT (and even the NT) in the same regard as us. By that I mean, having it as a part of their scriptures. I know that the quran affirms their inspiration, but there is little to no practical application of that fact. From the apostles to the fathers to today, by having both Testaments as the foundation of our Faith (not speaking of the written texts alone here), we Christians has found endless treasures while also stepping up to when reconciliation between them has been challenged. Especially by adherents to Judaism. If Islam had done the same, instead of the pick & choose game they play (what contradicts the religion is corrupted), there could have been something to their claims. Now you have one guy coming centuries years later, claiming to correct what had been corrupted and all he has to show for it is his book that somehow trumps that which came before. This does not even consider what a monumental failure the entire Messiah buisness was on God's end if Islam is true. Heck, even the mormons does not place their schizo book above the OT/NT.

[@Sijilos]

100%!

[@MrLosches]

Well put

[@tariqthebiblicalscholar5865]

You should read Paul. He completely butchered the OT.

[@mkultravictimbf]

@@tariqthebiblicalscholar5865 Your dog of a prophet butchered a prepubescent girl through consummation and I spit on his grave. Also even if it was true (it is'nt btw and I am well aware of the arguments), that has nothing to do with my point, if anything you just reinforced it.

[@mkultravictimbf]

@@tariqthebiblicalscholar5865 When you are referring to the OT in this case, what exactly are you referring to? Which canon of books, what translation? Who decided these different canons? Who translated it?

[@traditionallenses]

EXCELLENT VIDEO

[@TheOrthodoxAlbanian]

Claim: The Qur’aan cannot be reproduced by any man or jinn (created being) because it is a miraculous text. Reality: The Qur’aan includes human antecedents (apocryphal and Gnostic stories) within it’s text. Question: How then can the Qur’aan not be reproduced, if there are many examples of ayaat from the Qur’aan itself, that have clear human origins? The Qur’aan was a product of its time. It being a highly localised and hyper-collative text, can easily be demonstrated by the fact that it incorporates the same stories that were known to be circulating in the Hijaz and neighbouring regions. These stories either have their origins from Jewish rabbinical traditions and commentaries, the apocrypha and Gnostic stories, and other traditions (such as the Church traditions of the Kathisma Church, which prominent scholar Guillaume Dye has written much about). If Muslims want to argue that these stories are not legends and fables but in fact inspired revelation, they would then be placed in the uncomfortable position of having to prove the authenticity of such stories, for such stories were never deemed to be inspired revelation in history (some of these stories that claim to be from Christ and His apostles, were throughout history held to be unauthentic. The other sources were never believed to be inspired revelation, but simply part of Jewish commentaries to Old Testament verses, you know, the same Old Testament verses which Muslims say is not the Tawraat which Allaah revealed!). Think about this: are we to believe that all of these ‘inspired revelations’ became lost and forgotten for a long period of history, with some (Surah An-Naml 44, Surah al-Anbiya 69, Surah al-Ma’idah 30-35, and others) of them, then somehow appearing again out of the blue in places such as Jewish commentaries (the Targum Sheni, Midrash Rabba, and Targum of Jonathan)? Why are these stories not corroborated elsewhere, but only on the tongues of later writers that never even regarded their words to be inspired revelation? With corroboration of such stories only being from these later writers, did Allaah not know that this would result in many doubting the origins of His supposed inspired revelations? Either Allaah failed to successfully transmit His “inspired revelations” throughout history (in turn, then also making it appear as if He is plagiarising stories from fallible men), or some of these stories found in the Qur’aan are simply just that: stories from fallible men and not the direct verbatim Words of Allaah. Consequently, the Muslim claim that the Qur’aan has divine origins, is refuted. Unless, of course, Muslims want to argue that the Jews that authored the above-mentioned Jewish exegetical texts, were sent and inspired by Allaah too, for the purpose of reminding the Jewish believers about what texts are to be accepted (even though, again, the problem with the Muslim that advances this claim, would be that it makes no sense whatsoever that these “inspired revelations” appear in exegetical works alone). Nothing adds up.

[@OnTheThirdDay]

It even fails its own "much contradiction" test. Not only that, but some of the sources are not from God that end up in the Quran because we know when and how they came to be. For instance the "to kill one is to kill all of mankind" was not given to the Jews as the Quran says, but was Jewish reading-into the text which I believe is documented.

[@MinsterRogers]

@@OnTheThirdDay 🤡🤡🤡🤣🤣🤣

[@MinsterRogers]

🤡🤣🤡🤡🤣

[@miguelfadous7260]

wow. well said, really well said. God bless you my brother.

[@miguelfadous7260]

@@MinsterRogers yeah you and your boy mohamad hijab usually turn into clowns when you can't rebuke claims so profound that if you had an open mind and good intentions you'd repent this second.

[@biancavonmuhlendorf2608]

Love your work!

[@tylersirianni4289]

Christmas Wish List: -Jay Dyer VS Darth Dawkins -Jay Dyer VS Jake the Muslim metaphysician -Simpy simp 2 🙏🏼

[@kingdanny1070]

Jay is levels above Jake, Jake doesn’t even have a consistent Aqeedah. Jake takes contradictory positions.

[@tylersirianni4289]

@@kingdanny1070 yeah Jay is the man.

[@saint-jiub]

Darth Dawkins debate would be interesting. I like both of them 🤣

[@catalyst3713]

I honestly believe Darth Dawkins might be brain damaged. No normally functioning person talks or acts the way he does. He seems incapable of veering away from his script.

[@tylersirianni4289]

@@catalyst3713 he is quite the character

[@gzoro8645]

Another hit! Love it Jay.

[@sarafoss9990]

Jay could you do a video explaining the Orthodox stance on war, are we called to be passive?

[@nuzzi6620]

The fathers teach that war is sometimes necessary, but the act of killing, no matter how necessary, is always something that requires repentance.

[@orthodoxfinland5056]

No, just pick up a basic patristic book, like St. Augustine's political writings.

[@billy5470]

14:00 “That is corrupted “😂😂

[@someguyontheinternet2729]

Jay I love watching your videos. Have you tried contacting Daniel Haqiqatjou? Personally he's probably one of the 'best' debater Islam have. Though I dislike him, he's at least a pretty decent debater. Would love to see both of you debate

[@orthodoxfinland5056]

Daniel said he'd not want to debate. Because it'll hurt peoples Iman(faith). Jay has asked him on Twitter before.

[@WolphL0]

@@orthodoxfinland5056 He didn't say anything like that, he merely said that he needs to always be careful when setting up debates in order to not appear weak or it may hurt people's faith which is a very logical assertion. In reality, he didn't want to debate Jay back then because he wasn't very popular. He's very much open and eager to a debate right now, it's all up to Jay to reply this time. Don't try to make Daniel look like a coward because he definitely isn't one. Every Christian that's debated him so far was an Evangelical liberal and I hope Jay being an Orthodox Christian doesn't turn out the same. I'm not holding my breath though, because literally every Christian turns into a liberal when talking about Islam.

[@leastamongyou1111]

Good stuff

[@KittSpiken]

Honorable mention: lack of drip.

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

They can’t even wear gold.

[@shafinrahman2199]

@@collectiveconsciousness5314 Because women wear gold. Unlike Christian femboys, Muslim men don't try to imitate girls.

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

@@shafinrahman2199 Where did God ever command this? You literally just made it up.

[@alexandersabadus8923]

@@shafinrahman2199ok women have long hair and so do men?? This is the best you get from Islam

[@melmel8745]

great content💙

[@EmEdDia]

You have to give 10 reasons for not being Catholic or Protestant but only 5 for Muslim. 😂 I’m enjoying these discussions as I’m a Protestant who is Catholic and Orthodox curious. Thank you, Jay.

[@mohammedraheef1415]

14:00 "that is corrupted"

[@NadaVerse]

Jay is finished! 😂

[@HolyArmor]

Truth will always prevail over the man made quran

[@Okeezy-v7g]

Truth will prevail over Trinity

[@David-kz2im]

In Surah al-‘Imran 48, we find: “And Allaah will teach him (Christ) writing and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel…”. In this verse, it is clear that what Allaah taught Christ, was the Torah and the Gospel. Muslims understand this to mean that Christ was given the “correct interpretation” of what Allaah revealed to the Prophets. However, it can also mean that Christ was sent by Allaah with a specific purpose to spread His revelations. Now interestingly, in Surah al-‘Imran 50, we find: “And I (Christ) will confirm the Torah revealed before me and legalize some of what had been forbidden to you. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be mindful of Allaah and obey me.” In this verse, it is clear that Christ came to 1) confirm that which the Jews accepted, and read, as revelation, and 2) that Christ is not claiming that the revelations have been textually corrupted. This is also further implicit in Christ’s supposed statement that He came to “… legalize some of what had been forbidden to you.” Hence, all those things that were forbidden in the Mosaic law (for the thousand or so years prior), were still being followed by those very Jews that Christ spoke to. For this to be the case, those specific revelations must have remained preserved. And if they were, which is what this verse suggests, then what good reason do we have to posit the textual corruption of other parts of the scriptures?

[@ax4178]

Jay Dyer is a philosophical ninja.

[@tariqthebiblicalscholar5865]

He believes in three gods.

[@ax4178]

@@tariqthebiblicalscholar5865 The Son is the word that comes out of the mouth of God. The Spirit is God

[@Hannestv4607]

​ @Tariq The Biblical Scholar *In the 7th century the Koran writer still did not know anything about the Trinity in Christianity!* 5,116 “O Jesus son of Mary! Did you say to people: ‘Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah?’”... Yes Allah believes it is 1 + 1 + 1 = 3 But no Christian believes in 3 gods;) !! And that in the 7th century!

[@Hannestv4607]

Trinity = ONE !! Like body + mind + soul! Not 3 but only ONE God !!

[@Hannestv4607]

I said like and not that God consists of body + mind + soul

[@slobodanjevtovic7102]

I wonder if he picked 5 reasons because Islam has 5 pillars? Either way this was a great video. Jay has a Ph.D without having a Ph.D

[@DLDLDLDLDLDLD]

Thanks for these boss

[@jamessheffield4173]

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost Notice: Name singular, three persons

[@Okeezy-v7g]

Later addition. Not in original.

[@jamessheffield4173]

@@Okeezy-v7g The two oldest Bibles have it.

[@Okeezy-v7g]

@@jamessheffield4173 so, which version of Bible should we believe? In any case, it ain't in the OT and so, it's an innovation. The Lord is One. Jesus seated at the right hand of God shows that it's not one person. Like, they're seated side by side. How's that one person?

[@jamessheffield4173]

@@Okeezy-v7g It's in the CT, the Greek and the AV. We should believe Jesus in Matt 28:19.

[@Hreodrich]

Great video. It brought another idea to mind that I think would be very helpful to inquiring minds. Top things you actually like about Islam, Judaism, Catholicism etc. and why despite the things you like about them they don’t make the cut in comparison to orthodox Christianity. For a time I was very enamored with Islamic imagery and the neatness and simplicity of their worldview/art/poetry. Even though orthodox Christianity wins. Good faith praise I feel can help elucidate more of the unspoken reasons many of us have for why Christianity wins out over the other options. Just a thought.

[@willcoughlan6908]

Thank you!

[@willcoughlan6908]

Bro please debate Mohammed Hijab 🙏🙏

[@JayDyer]

He ignored the offer

[@willcoughlan6908]

@@JayDyer 😂 he prob knows he’s fighting a losing battle

[@dom3073]

@@JayDyer Are you willing to debate other quite popular Muslim scholars?

[@Gonicksomestuff]

@Corrasani He will not agree to it but keep us posted on his rejection/non-response.

[@riddicktruth3633]

@@JayDyerhe has No Time for this BS he refuted already all your claims in the past as to es been brought up already Several times…

[@duelz9366]

Awesome video. How do people believe in Islam? I don’t get it, it’s so contradictory

[@NahianKhan-vd2xg]

Watch : One Message foundation. Then you will say : how do people belive christianity

[@duelz9366]

@@NahianKhan-vd2xg So I actually did watch it and it seems as though they are misrepresenting Christianity by not interpreting the Bible in adherence to the church

[@NahianKhan-vd2xg]

@@duelz9366 hahaha😁😁 you are so selfish

[@duelz9366]

@@NahianKhan-vd2xg haha how?

[@aiya5777]

​@@duelz9366 you're just too brainwashed by your abusive father

[@lovinNBA]

Now do a video about the top 5 reasons why you aren't Oriental Orthodox

[@orthodoxchristianchants122]

& Rabbanic Judaism

[@randomguy1453]

For my protestant brothers and sisters, Muslims can easily trick you, and it comes from what I've seen called a broken Trinity found commonly in protestant circles, most main stream prodestants already refer to/think of God the Father as "God" and Jesus as only "Jesus", this faulty distinction makes it easy for Muslims to make Jesus seem like He isn't God as much as the Father is, protestants also don't have basic knowledge on how God works, you'll find anologies like the 3 states of matter to "explain" the Trinity, however, obviously this analogy doesn't work, since it kind of leans into modalism, God isn't changing here, the Trinity is, was, and always will be God. I'm a former protestant, I'm now finding my home in orthodoxy, I truly do hope if a protestant sees this, they might educate themselves on the Trinity to not fall to the deceitful religion of Islam, like I almost did.

[@margaretconstant1079]

I am Methodist and a protestant, and I disagree..people should stop bicker about how wrong certain churches is..and focus on Jesus..Jesus is the main focus and not about not belonging to a certain churches, you already are against Jesus in many ways , Christ is head of all churches.

[@Apologia14]

You’ve got that exactly turned around. Classical Protestants teach that the Trinity is one God in three co-equal persons. Orthodoxy teaches that the one true God is the Father because he alone is the source of all things including the Son and the Spirit. I agree with Orthodoxy on this.

[@randomguy1453]

@olliew7225 I appreciate your criticism, and, while worded in a manner that seems odd to a protestant (or even a former protestant, lol), it is viable, however it should be noted that the Persons are still sharers of the same Essence to dispel any confusion, and the Father is indeed the Cause of the other Persons. My time within the Church has assisted me in expressing this more clearly, so again, good criticism

[@Fizzy332]

Can you please debate Daniel Haqiqatou he seems to be a perfect candidate for you

[@perhaps8250]

howd you find the debate

[@----f]

Daniel is an embarrassment in most of his debates. He's not knowledgeable enough. If you can't grasp this then you're just as biased as these Christians.

[@marcmanolache2106]

Can you do a video on what trad Catholics like the SSPX would have to change in order to become Orthodox? I'm guessing they would have to give up certain things like Filioque, Purgatory, Sacred Heart worship, etc. and adopt certain things like communion in both kinds, baptism by immersion, essence-energy distinction, etc.

[@fiditenemini2452]

member of a tribal cult? no thanks.

[@hermanessences]

Judge a tree by its fruit.

[@Мария-н9п7р]

need more views

[@greenbee6902]

Instead of saying many muslims believe X or many scholars claim Y, why dont you give specific citations of the individuals or books so we can double check your claims? I will assume you are talking about the Ash'ari school of thought when it came to God's attributes in Islam. Which begs the question why you think its contradictory for them to believe God may possess the essence of an attribute even if we can observe it by the same name on earth? You can observe and grasp a concept on earth, but not have true access to its essence(egocentric predicament). Or are you talking about the literal explanations by Salafists?

[@Ilario189]

Excellent video

[@dialmformowgli]

♡

[@darthreven786]

How can anyone in good faith try to justify "Orthodox" Christianity claiming God is a single deity with associating him as the Trinity. The mental gymnastics is so obnoxious. "Its not 1 + 1 + 1 its 1 * 1 * 1!!!"

[@iliasmastoris529]

Really easy - for example, I am one person - father, husband, work colleague and friend.

[@darthreven786]

​@@iliasmastoris529again, mental/spiritual gymnastics. The father is the son of himself??? And then a ghost too?

[@IraqiMan100]

so your argument is "i don't understand it therefore it's not true"

[@darthreven786]

@@IraqiMan100 lol way to strawman and deflect. You can't even refute me on the grounds I've presented that Christianity is inherently illogical. Take care.

[@BananaPieWithAnxiety]

Deuteronomy 13: The prophet must not entice you to worship a god or gods other than Yahweh. Deuteronomy 18: The prophet must not lie in the name of the Lord. Then Yahweh prompts a question. "How would we know the prophet speaks lies in your name?" Yahweh then answers: the prophet would make false prophecies for him to be lying about the Lord. If anything, Deuteronomy 18 is indirectly saying that the law CAN change.

[@Ramiromasters]

Islam is very intriguing, there is so much less written about Mohamed than Jesus and they are much less involved in art like Jake said. But somehow the rules of worship are so involved that people are overall more religious while following the Islamic religion.

[@Clarifytruth]

Excellent explanation.

[@johnjlobo]

Nice one ..

[@DanielMakingAVideo]

Love you, brother. Mounter your camera to your wall perhaps? lol

[@johncracker5217]

It is the glory of God to conceal a matter and the glory of kings to seek out a matter… something like that.

[@thesonnen447]

Interested in a coversation with both Tate brothers since the public announcement of conversion to Islam away from Orthodox Christianity, even calling it the only religion able to stand the test of time.

[@Chrisc-sn6uh]

Im sure tristan is still orthodox Christian

[@glorytofathersonandholyspirit]

Tate is a grifter who isn’t interested in actual truth, so that would pretty much never happen

[@bigol9223]

​@@glorytofathersonandholyspiritI don't see him debating religion anyway.

[@Okeezy-v7g]

My issue with the Trinity is this. Why would God introduce such a fundamentally confused ideal, opposed to his original revelation of Self? #UnitarianChristian When I was still trinitarian, the confusion I faced when praying was something else. I never quite knew who was listening because if one is seated at the right had of another, then those are two different beings. The Lord your God is One. Then, the fact that God would create human beings who are already damned to hell is unreasonable. How come Jews never wrote about hell? Ecclesiastice speaks of the soul returning to the One who made it. At this point, all religion is confusing. Ezekiel 18 (I forgot the verse), God declares that the soul that repents will be saved/forgiven. So, that forgiveness wasn't sufficient and so Jesus had to die? Even in the Psalms, repentance guarantees forgiveness. Wasn't there eternal life before Jesus? Wasn't this way sufficient?

[@jimiboone2727]

If the Jews found trinity in that Old Tastement then the Jews were the first to believed in God the three in one. Christianity came from the saying of Paul, and Paul had problems with the earlier Jesus's Ministry led by James the brother of Jesus. Didn't Paul admits He was Jews to the Jews and he was a non Jews to the non Jews, meaning hew was a chameleon who hide its true colours @ a hypocrite. And Paul was not an Apostle of Jesus, he says he was an apostle of Jesus. Do the Orthodoxs too believed in Paul?

[@johanneslutgens5038]

Your reasoning does not make any sense

[@LeutherGreengager-ip1uw]

Where is the Logos in Islam? A vacuum bereft of a centre.

[@Hashir198]

Your first point was trinity being more sensible than tawhid; thats strange because trinity was not a concept know to jews prior to jesus and nor was a concept known to christians up until the 200-300 years after jesus. So ppl are defn making something new up

[@IraqiMan100]

that's false, watch Jay's videos regarding the trinity in the old testament.

[@Okeezy-v7g]

​@@IraqiMan100those are inferred by the Church to validate its teaching. Why would God be obscure about something as fundamental as his nature, knowing it would be a source of contention? He was clear from the get go. The Lord is One, especially to distinguish the faith of the Israelites from the polytheistic/pagan nations. Why then, years later would he introduce something akin to what He clearly forbade? When I read the Psalms, I'm convinced that those people knew that their Lord was One, not a Trinity.

[@Hashir198]

@@IraqiMan100 all of those verses are implicit at best, none explicit, requiring alot of extrapolation. This exactly why trinity isnt sensible.

[@GlobeHackers]

You could easily overlay another top ten reasons over these again and again. It always seemed odd that they wanted to coopt biblical elements into their faith. But why not? "Christianity" was pervasive in their region (however misunderstood) when Islam was emerging. Do you ever butt heads with Dr. Robert M. Price or prominent proponents of mythicism? Best

[@Albanian_History]

☦️🇦🇱✝️

[@TheAncientLight]

Respekte vella, Shqiptaret kthehen ne origjinen e tyre te Krishtere ☦️

[@TheOrthodoxAlbanian]

Based.

[@Albanian_History]

@@TheOrthodoxAlbanian all of Albania will become 100% Christian again like before ottomans forced conversions 🥰🇦🇱☦️✝️

[@GamePhyisician7]

@@TheOrthodoxAlbanian So happy to see Albanian Orthodox folks :D

[@Albanian_History]

@@GamePhyisician7 there’s 500k+ 🥰 the new census should finally show us the 2011 only visited 6% of orthodox albania

[@shubairmuraj824]

Hey Jay I’m a big fan of yours (I’m Muslim). I love how you see the truth of the deceptive powers in the world we live in. I see you are loyal to God and truth and justice 👍. That being said, I do have one suggestion for you kindly. I do urge you to read the Quran in its entirety with an open mind (meaning not cancelling it without giving it a chance) and I hope you will see that many of the points you brought up will be nullified; such as prophets not deviating from previous teachings and ritual sacrifice and places of worship being key parts. These are all answered throughout the Quran IF one is sincere and reads it in its entirety removing as much bias as possible. Love you brother in the name of God almighty and just like yourself I too am awaiting the reappearance of the messiah Jesus. I hope you dont reject him when he rejects your worship and informs you that worship belongs to the one true God and nothing in the universe is like unto Him; which means that humans can be just but will never be just to the extent of God. Humans can be merciful and loving but never in the capacity of God. That is the meaning of “there is nothing like unto Him”. Everything in the universe (prophets, messiahs , angels, spirits) are from his creation , and are ultimately subordinate to His authority ie: in submission to Him. Love you my brother now let’s turn our attention to striving in Gods cause against our sworn enemy satan.

[@shubairmuraj824]

Also, we are told whenever God sends His authority down to earth (prophets messiahs divine scriptures), we must submit to them this submitting to God. So when Jesus comes I will be in full submission to him and his authority but I will not worship him as he will himself command me to not do so.

[@shubairmuraj824]

And I will say that current day Islam has deviated drastically from the divine message of the Quran. The Quran is for “believers” no matter if you are European, African, jew, Christian, Muslim : it makes no difference it’s just God speaking to you

[@shubairmuraj824]

Also I have the Bible by my bed and read it everyday. I also read the Quran and I know both dispensations are from my Lord and God

[@nananina982]

I'm not Jay but I want to advice you to research Nabeel Qureshi.

[@shubairmuraj824]

@@nananina982 hello! Yes I already have thank you. May he be granted entry to paradise he was a kind loving and compassionate soul. Amen!

[@farhanrafid8584]

Comment from a muslim before watching the video: cool title, you have valid reasons, semi-intellectual Muslims can't win against you. But still, no hatred among the Abrahamic faiths

[@nicodemuseam]

The true Abrahamic faith is Orthodoxy; Neither the Rabbinical Jews nor Muslims worship Jesus Christ as the Son of God, their Lord and Savior. No hatred for Muslims, but for Islam! Islam should perish, and Muslims should become Orthodox instead. Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father, amen!

[@Luis-kn4pm]

Kudos to you for being respectful and honest. God bless!

[@Luis-kn4pm]

@@nicodemuseam Come on bro, there are a bunch of other comments from Muslims, who didn't even watch the video and are talking nonsense. This guy is being cool and if anything, you're driving him away from Orthodoxy saying things like "Islam should perish", knowing he's Muslim.

[@nicodemuseam]

@@Luis-kn4pm My brother, have I offended you? Please forgive me.

[@ryanthomas7119]

​@@nicodemuseam Jews are just as zealous as you, As are Muslims and every other religious person.. All of these religions are nonsense.

[@naveenbharadwaj]

Good

[@alanx4121]

Father *Word, Spirit Father, Son, Holy Spirit is the baptismal 'formula'.

[@sharif8326]

Q from a non-muslim What if the muslim respond that love isnt an essential attribute, christians believe God is merciful for example but God is dependent on his creation to show mercy because mercy can only be given to sinners. Why is this a problem?

[@Brata19]

With all the icons, incarnations, trinity, etc, why is not polytheism? Then why the Golden Calf is heresy and wrong, not special pleading? Oh what about from other region like Hindu Trimurti, why can't that be legit too? That's why Islam comes and bring pure monotheism, cut the red tape and worship directly to God.

[@nicodemuseam]

The Old Covenant was for Spiritual children, the New Covenant is for Spiritual adults; We can offer worship to God through created things, because we are not worshipping the things, but the one who created them; The Israelites worshipping the golden calf was idolatry, because they worshipped the *thing* as God. We do not bow down to our icons as God, nor serve them as God(as if our icons were anything of themselves), therefore we do not commit idolatry. We do not make creatures our gods(unless we do, then we must repent! Gluttony, avarice, pride, anyone?). We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, according to the Creed, and in His only-begotten Son, and the Spirit which proceeds from the Father. There is one principle, one source of generation(Son) and procession(Spirit), the Monarch of the Trinity and the unity of the Godhead, God the Father. We worship one God, who manifests as three Persons in perfect communion with one another. The Father loves the Son in the Spirit, and the Son returns that love to the Father with the same Spirit. The Spirit reveals the Son and the Father to us, and draws us into that relationship of Father and Son through adoption in Jesus Christ. Hear, O Israel, your God is one.

[@Brata19]

@@nicodemuseam Good so Jesus is not God then?

[@nicodemuseam]

@@Brata19 Jesus Christ is also called God and Son of God on account of having the same divine nature as His Father. We can predicate God of both the Son and the Spirit, because they are generated(Son) and proceed(Spirit) eternally from the Father and share His divine nature, or essence. When the Persons of the Trinity are mentioned together, we call them: Father, Son, Holy Spirit; God, Lord, Spirit; One God the Father, One Lord, Jesus Christ, One Holy Spirit. Three divine Persons; All God by nature; One God by source, the Father.

[@wrecktitudemedia6514]

Ah, now I just clicked on this video and paused it. My 5 reasons why I'm not a Muslim are this: 1, I don't follow pedophiles. Yeah that's pretty much all the reasons I need right there. So yay, ok now I'mma watch u Jay.

[@Hastenforthedawm]

So that's the Bible thrown out the window too in four words

[@nylondaimon]

you keep switching between "son of man" and "son of god" interchangeably... which one is it?

[@sasa_sasa_sasa230]

Son of man is God's Son where He take a Body, from Vision in Daniel 7, where Daniel saw in the Vision Someone like(look's like) on of man descending on the Clouds of Heaven. In Torah more then 70 times where Someone descending on the Clouds of Heaven was ALWAYS JHWH-GOD.

[@TheOrthodoxAlbanian]

Both. There is no tension between the two.

[@sasa_sasa_sasa230]

@@TheOrthodoxAlbanian Yeah but also Son if man is alusiin for Daniel 7 even Misnah admit that.

[@nylondaimon]

@@sasa_sasa_sasa230 but why is he called both like is he called man's son because he has the bloodline of Abraham through Mary or something? Mary was a virgin so he can't have a human father, but if he's God's son then he is son of God but since Mary gave birth to him he has the bloodline of man?

[@sasa_sasa_sasa230]

@@nylondaimon no man, He said for Him that is Son of man because He alludes that He is Someone like Son of man from Daniels Vision and in Daniels Vision someone that looks like Son of man comming on the Clouds of Heaven and in Torah every time that Someone camming on Clouds of Heaven is God. There is no problem in that , that Christ is a man because He is a Full God(One of 3 God's Personalities) and also a Full Man because He take a human Body.

[@semyaza555]

6. I understand hypotheticals.

[@vvl-187]

Tanzih is the idea that allah is above anything, infinitely. Therefore, the Quran, being finite in its written form, is useless in describing allah, because no matter what is written, it can only be a finite descriptor since it is limited by created language. Therefore, the idea that the Quran does not offer a full but a slight encapsulation into Allah’s attributes and names is also incorrect, because if you collect a glass of water from an infinite bucket of water, the water in the glass is still infinitely less than what is still in the bucket. Any attempt to describe allah with written terms is infinitely less than what allah truly is, which adds into your point that Muslims can only worship a concept. Not to mention that not only are the names and descriptors no better at describing allah than scribbles on a page, but the nous in humanity is also created, and therefore, very limited in comparison to allah. Therefore, not only are Muslims worshipping a concept rather than what allah truly is or even a smudge of that, but they are worshipping something which is infinitely unlike what allah truly is.

[@AA-zs7jw]

If you are a man, debate Muhammed Hijab.

[@perhaps8250]

He issued M.Hijab a debate challenge a while while back on Twitter, I'm unaware if M.Hijab saw or responded to it. I don't see this having to do with being a man, Dyer has already debated Williams, Rashid, Ally, Haqiqatjou...

[@AA-zs7jw]

@@perhaps8250 Nah...Hijab is different.

[@perhaps8250]

​@@AA-zs7jwI've watched his debates with Christians and Atheists, I'm sure he debates in a compelling and heated way. Dyer was first to issue a challenge, and from his other debates on Islam I'm sure would fair well

[@perhaps8250]

​@@AA-zs7jwMaybe you could raise Dyers challenge to Hijab, I know that Hijab possesses a background in History, Philosophy and does polemics against Church History, which Dyer is indeed a resident expert for us Orthodox and posseses a background in both fields

[@perhaps8250]

​@@AA-zs7jwDyer hosts regular twitter spaces, which are often open forum

[@sabi3052]

Christians and Hindus worship humans ❤️

[@worldexposed7]

Well, I worship The God that entered creation for my sake

[@famousace4652]

Question: what if people anywhere around the world for any reason don’t have access to a liturgical service or an Orthodox Church for that matter? Straight to hell?

[@henryy-tq8tn]

Luke 12:48 “To whom much is given much is required” the orthodox church doesn’t make no salvation outside the church statements as far as I know

[@nicodemuseam]

I won't sugarcoat it; Those who come to the knowledge of the existence of the Orthodox Church should sound out the Orthodox Faith, and not carelessly, unless they are found to have rejected the Truth. God will leave none of us with any excuse on the last day. I believe that the Orthodox Church is the true Church of Jesus Christ, and that it is nothing less than the normative route for the salvation of mankind in all its messy God-man glory. Will not God have mercy upon those He will have mercy? Nevertheless, if you receive the honor of being called into the Church, can you neglect so great a salvation? God promises to make His faithful adoptive children by grace what Jesus Christ is by nature. My Father died outside the Church, and I have faith in the mercy of God to redeem his soul, but if anyone is saved having been outside of the Church at death, I believe it has and is and will be on account of the prayers of the Church. I am spiritually sick, but I didn't even begin to know just how sick I was, before I entered the Church; I just knew I was sick and needed the Physician. Five years in, and the Lord has done wonderful things for me and in me, like lessening my dependence on addictive, self-destructive and sinful habits. I have experienced the healing power of purifying grace through the praxis of the Orthodox Faith, in prayer and fasting and confession and the other Mysteries of the Church.