TOP 5 REASONS TO UPGRADE ! LAGOON 42 X LAGOON 46 I Ep 57

[@SailingJoy]

If you would like to see what options we selected from factory consider watching this video next : kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqDVgXd8fNyqY7M

[@davidwebber6956]

So a year later .. would you still go lagoon ? FP45 , Leopard and Bali all look very tempting ?

[@SailingJoy]

From the options you mentioned above the answer would be YES without a doubt.

[@97Devils]

As a single guy, a 42 would be amazing, but that 46 is a “live aboard” dream! Cheers and thanks for sharing!

[@SailingJoy]

I agree Brandon ! When I was single the 42 was perfect to me and honestly would still be as couple you just get a little extras on the 46 and we like it 😀! All the best Ed

[@davidgaddes]

Thanks for being so transparent and informative.Always look forward to watching you guys. Happy Sailing!

[@SailingJoy]

Appreciated it David ! All the best Ed and Patricia

[@tthh2217]

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[@kenhilliard5845]

How are is it to manage the main sail on the Lagoon 46. With the Lagoon 42 the boom is quite low and easy to manage. Do you have to climb onto the flybridge to raise or lower the main sail?

[@SailingJoy]

Hi Ken. I never have to go up the sail to lower or raise the main we do everything from the flybridge. We see no issues with it. Working good for us.

[@StephenOshea]

im happy you upgraded because you have much more comfort and that's so important . lagoon 46 is super nice .

[@SailingJoy]

👍😊

[@boomersudden6257]

Beautiful boat. Awesome video thanks for sharing.

[@SailingJoy]

Thanks Boomer Sudden ! 🤩

[@leonply]

Thank you for sharing your thought process in upgrading. Your choices in fit, finish, and overall quality and beauty are amazing and I'm so glad that you're making fantastic memories for yourself and sharing with the world. Cheers!

[@SailingJoy]

Thanks Leon ! Super appreciated the message. We are very fortunate to be able to have this experience and super happy to be able to share a little with all. Best Ed and Patricia.

[@kentmeredith5776]

Thanks for taking great care of your Lagoon 42. We’ve had her for almost 4 years now full time live aboard and still love it. Now with added solar and LifePO Batteries. Hope to run into you at some anchorage sometime.

[@SailingJoy]

Wow ! That’s so great to hear from you guys and very happy to know that Wind Ensemble is getting to see the world with you guys. We really hope to meet you in person some day in the future. When are you guys coming to Europe?

[@kentmeredith5776]

@@SailingJoy WE might not get to Europe. We have been sailing Western Caribbean this year, heading to Savannah, Georgia for Hurricane season.

[@SailingJoy]

@@kentmeredith5776 Have a safe sail to savannah ! All the best guys. Ed and Patricia.

[@FernandoFernandes-d3f]

Duda, eu e minha esposas seguimos o Travel and Fun mas não conheciamos o Sailing Joy. Tem videos bem interessantes aqui como este. Estamos seguindo alguns passos de vcs. Vcs nos inspiram. Este ano visitamos o Miami Boat Show e minha esposa falou que só aceita a compra se for um Catamarâ, rsrs. Vamos continuar seguindo vcs e se Deus quiser um dia nos cruzamos pelos mares do mundo.

[@SailingJoy]

Será um prazer encontrá-los e conhecê-los pessoalmente ! Ficamos felizes com o seu recado. Grande abraço. Duda e Pathy

[@FernandoFernandes-d3f]

@@SailingJoy Duda, obrigado por responder. Um dia vc poderia falar sobre onde é melhor ter o barco registrado, se nos EUA, BVI ou outra opção pela Europa. Vcs hoje estão curtindo a Europa, como fica o registro da Joy? A ideia é vendê-la aí ou trazer para o Caribe? Para o Brasil é muito caro, os impostos são altíssimos.

[@SailingJoy]

Com a JOY nos seguimos velejando pelo mundo com próxima parada no Caribe e assim por diante. Bandeira e algo muito particular e depende das necessidades e situação de cada pessoa por isso é muito difícil falar que uma e melhor que a outra. Infelizmente para o Brasil não temos planos de ir com a JOY. Abraços

[@FernandoFernandes-d3f]

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[@dominicdixon1263]

Thanks for the video!!!! Outstanding and really helped me make my decision with my eyes open -- Lagoon 46 Owner’s version.

[@SailingJoy]

All right. Happy we could help somehow. All the best ! Ed and Patricia

[@dominicdixon1263]

@@SailingJoy 🤗

[@ThoughtfulWander]

great comparison! Thanks for the information! Stay safe Joy crew! 👍👍👊👊

[@SailingJoy]

Thank you and it is always great to see you here with us. I hope all is well with you. Best Ed and Patricia

[@ThoughtfulWander]

​@@SailingJoy Yep all is well with us just busy. but who is not busy? 👍👍👊👊

[@adurpina]

the interior is looks elegant the boat is high upgraded design like luxury enjoy the long sailing guys

[@SailingJoy]

Thanks FieldOcean ! Best

[@chillfactor6014]

Very well done rational ! Entertaining and full of infos. Thanks

[@SailingJoy]

Thank you 🙏

[@jplealsantos]

Vídeo irado! Caramba... apareceu o pessoal do canal Kauana Sailing. Que mundo pequeno. Adorava os vídeos deles. Sabe por onde eles andam??

[@SailingJoy]

Fala João Paulo ! Feliz que curtiu o vídeo. A Larissa e o Chris são demais, não sei exatamente por onde andam. Também adorava aquele canal 😀! Grande abraço para você. Duda e Pathy

[@brianbuchanan2414]

Awesome video, would be very hard for me to justify spending twice as much for 4 more feet of boat, but if money was not a issue , I'm right there with you.

[@SailingJoy]

I understand Brian ! I also had an initial impact when I learned about it but after entering and understanding that it is not only the extended feet on the boat that counts but its different interior design, volume and finishes I could justified investing my hard earned money on it. All the best and thanks for been with us here. Ed

[@whatsinaname6069]

Thank you for a very informative video. Can you address the fly bridge in bluewater passage making. It is unclear from this video whether you also went to France to get the L46 and returned across the Atlantic. And possibly have you crossed the Pacific on the L46? There seems to be very little real world documentation of using these fly-bridge cats in open ocean, I have read a few views that they have no place outside of near-shore sailing but not from experienced sailors. It does look like it could be a precarious place to be in big seas and bad weather even with the plastic panels in place. On the other hand the L42 helm looks more secure...but I have no experience with either. Any thoughts and experience from you or others on your channel would be appreciated.

[@SailingJoy]

Thank you so much. We had our Lagoon 46 for the past 3 years and have sailed close to 10.000 nautical miles on it. The flybridge is something we love. We have several other videos on the channel that show us sailing in Europe and I invite you to check it out as well so you have a better grasp of our route and sailing. We have redundancy of all electronics inside of JOY so in bad weather we usually sail from inside as it is more comfortable but totally doable and fine from the flybridge. We had both the L42 and the L46 and in our opinion having the flybridge is totally an added bonus and not the other way around. Keep in mind everyone has its own personal preferences. I recommend you test it and see what you like the best and feel more comfortable with. To us the flybridge is what we like sailing as a couple. All the best Ed

[@timmcgrath1105]

Hi Ed & Patricia! Enjoy following your travels. You mentioned a "fix" to make your watermaker remote in the salon truly work as an operating remote. Can you direct me to more information on how to accomplish this? Thanks again. Looking forward to your next informative episode! Tim

[@SailingJoy]

Hi Tim! Great to hear from you. Yes we found out that the owner and inventor of the water maker that we have here at JOY lives in DENIA / Spain and he made some adjustments by installing additional equipments on a friends L46 to make it work and controllable from the inside of the boat. The cost was a little over 1200 euros. We decided not to go that route as I really got used to the functionality directly on the water maker so I decided not to do anything. If you need this person’s contact info send me an email at [e-mail] and I will send it your way. All the best Ed

[@ProTradeCapital]

Boa tarde Duda, Estou querendo me aventurar em velejar, se nao for chato dizer pode me falar quanto voce pagou na Lagoon 46? Um grande abraço Muito bom o canal!

[@SailingJoy]

Fala Marco. Me envia direct no insta da sailing joy e falamos por lá. Abraços

[@aj6245]

Como estas ? siempre mirando tus videos , super interesante la comparacion entre los dos barcos , el de 46 pies se ve mucho mas comodo y creo, que ya , ustedes estan ,super contentos con el 46 , saludos para ti como siempre y para la primera oficial

[@SailingJoy]

AJ un gran Saludo desde Valência. Sin duda súper felices si con el 46. Nos quedamos contentos de que le ha gustado del video ⭐️🤩☺️abrazos

[@kaylaandjimbryant8258]

Glad to hear you finally got it!

[@SailingJoy]

Thanks

[@DavidMosby]

I named my first ocean boat, "Pure Joy" because of my wife's name. As she was a gold digger and I did not have much gold, that marriage ended. Funny how often someone is lost at sea...just kidding! I was happy sailing a 38 foot catamaran except it did not have a generator and AC. That makes a huge difference to sleep at night. I liked your video, but for the money, I would choose the 42.

[@SailingJoy]

Hi David ! Sorry to hear about Pure Joy ! In my opinion it does not matter how long you get lost at see if you believe and is determined to find that perfect island called paradise you eventually one day will find it. Truly hope this day have already come for you. Yes the 42 is awesome and we loved it. Very fortunate we were able to go for the upgrade but honestly would be happy to this day o. The 42 I’d had not done so. All the best and thanks for sharing this personal note with us. Best Ed and Patricia

[@alcibiadesmarcialneto922]

Os navegadores experientes afirmam que ditado “tamanho é documento” se aplica perfeitamente aos barcos. Vi o 46 no Marina Boat Show e ele é uma maravilha flutuante.

[@SailingJoy]

Ola Alcibiades, bom te ver por aqui. Sim para nos o upgrade fez muita diferença, o 42 e um Excelente barco e foi ótimo ter tido a primeira experiência com ele. Agora para viver a bordo o nível de conforto que temos hoje no 46 em nossa opinião é incomparável. Grande abraço

[@gustavomonteiro2793]

Both are beautiful boats. Another important point to mention that is positive for the 46 is that the load carrying capacity is higher. If you plan to carry heavy things this should be considered. Like them both anyway.

[@SailingJoy]

I fully agree Gustavo ! You can load it up and be happy without stress. All hope all is well you

[@fernandobravobravo740]

muchas gracias por su explicaciones obtenidas de una magnifica experiencia.

[@SailingJoy]

Gracias Fernando. Saludos.

[@patrickdupin]

Same question as @Martin Vester's below. WWe are considering either a 45 or a 50 footer for our family of three. Sailing-wise, the bigger is not necessarily the better (less manoeuvrability, way more expensive to maintain, less docking possibilities…). Also, have you considered Leopard 45? Smaller inside but the front deck seems fantastic even if smaller inside. Cheers !

[@SailingJoy]

Hi Patrick ! Yes got it right bigger not always necessarily better. We did consider the leopards as we do like the pass thru doors. The main reason why we did not go for it was resell value. We had a terrific experience with Lagoon in the past and wanted to keep moving that path. Leopard are great vessels as well but we are very happy with Lagoons so far. All the best Ed

[@caijiali111]

It is my dream! Have few questions, when it comes to sea sick, does always bigger the boat better? However, bigger boat will have less performance is that true? Where is the best balance?

[@SailingJoy]

Hi Richard ! Actually bigger the boat faster it will be while sailing in general. Bigger maybe a little bit more stable but movement will be similar unless we are talking about a much much bigger boat which in that case it helps. In my opnion sea sickness will affect similarly a Cat between 46 to 51 feet. It is definitely a combination of factor that gets me sick ! Angle of the wave, smell of diesel, empty stomach, if I am nervous, not much sleep ! Yes did it all this very last time haha. All good now ! Best Ed

[@mikearanda881]

Thanks this was very informative

[@SailingJoy]

Thank you for been with us.

[@bigua4x4]

Great video dear friends. As usual by the way.

[@SailingJoy]

Thank you guys. I hope all Is well with you all.

[@derick_eppendahl]

Great video, I agree with everything but when I steer a catamaran, I prefer to stay in contact with my friends, rather than being alone on the flybridge. Besides, I find it much safer

[@SailingJoy]

Hi Frederic! Lots of people feel the same way way as you. After having both versions we like the flybridge better but again it is just a preference. They are both great and present positive and negative points. All the best. Ed

[@raphaelarmandovalor6586]

Hey Ed from your perspective and experience, what do you think is the biggest cat a couple can handle? What do you think is the limit? And I would love to know what would be the ideal size if money was not a factor?

[@SailingJoy]

Hi Raphael ! Million dollar question 🤩. It is funny to say but I believe the biggest boat a couple can handle varies depending on their experience and budget. We see couples on catamarans all the way to 62 feet sailing on their own or as a family only. One thing to keep in mind is the maintenance you will have additionally that goes with the added volume. In my humble opinion at the end you need to balance it all out and take in consideration Price, Size, time for maintenance and ongoing costs ! If price is not an object I would go for a Sunreef, a more luxuries and customizable boat maker and don’t think I would go much bigger than a 50 feet as this size would be bring all the comfort we need on board without having to spend more time that we already do cleaning and maintaining the boat. I hope I answered your question. Best Ed

[@raphaelarmandovalor6586]

@@SailingJoy thank you very much Ed. Again it might be me just day dreaming but I am in love with the FP Samana 59. However, owning it as I couple might give me all the answer you already experienced on your own. If I had that experience I think I would go for that size but again never owned a Cat just yet!!!! Waiting for the next adventure! Please don’t stop!

[@FelipeAraujo-yj9cp]

Muito bom Duda! Entre o 42 e 46... o perfeito sentimento de "tanto faz"! rs! Mas sem dúvida o 46 oferece mais.

[@SailingJoy]

Os dois são excelentes sem dúvida Felipe! Acho que é uma questão de volume mesmo na minha Opniao. Espero que esteja bem. Saudades suas. Abração

[@sailingviking7885]

Thanks Ed! I really enjoy your videos. Always lot of useful information to digest. So what comes next? 51..... 52?? 😉

[@SailingJoy]

Thank you for been with us ! If it serves as a hint it maybe a 50 but from a diferente brand. More to come 🙃🤩

[@queirozsjc]

Excelente abordagem! Parabéns !!!!

[@SailingJoy]

Obrigado !!! 🤩

[@bill2292]

Great video! I really like the topics you choose. Why have you purchased two Lagoons? Did you consider Leopard or FP? Just curious.

[@SailingJoy]

Hi Bill ! Thanks ! Initially we chose the L42 because Lagoon was the one with the most number of boats and parts around the world making it easier for us in the future. Also I made a study and in my opinion Lagoon held its value better than the Leopard and FP which was a reality for us when we sold our L42 for a profit and decided to buy the L46. Now there are other brands out there which would also be a great option, at the time of the upgrade we just decided to go with Lagoon because we already knew the systems and would make the initial learning curve easier. Best Ed

[@MartyDidier]

Enjoyed the video comparison with your feelings about both. If you were to Upgrade again, a 50’ is another 4’! Then there is the 55’ and so on. Maybe selecting is based on how much more the costs would be?! Creaking would be a sign of two items or elements rubbing under tension. The louder they are, the higher the tension. If there is a noticeable change in creaking, it indicates a looser connection that is growing from continuous tension. It never fixes itself, will always get worse. It’s strictly a mechanical issue! Even Fiberglassed Tabbing can crack and start to creak. It’s purely the result of mechanical tension that exceeds joint strength. This is what happened to the 450 and suggested as a design flaw. Selecting one for myself is a constant challenge. I guess we always want something bigger, but how big is big enough? Maybe limits are depended on being able to sail it yourself?

[@SailingJoy]

Hi Marty ! In my opinion selecting the right boat really goes in line with what you are comfortable handling X Price ! Today I feel I am able to handle a 50 foot but honestly the size of the 46 until now is perfect for us so we will not be moving up for at least a year more ! After the end of this season we will reevaluate. Thanks for the message ! Enjoyed your comments and remarks. Best Ed

[@MartyDidier]

@@SailingJoy Thank you for replying. Watched your video and commented. Decisions on what boat to purchase follows individual important reasons. You seem to have information on market value. This helps when selecting what and when to buy and when to sell. As they say, everything depreciates and you never should fall in love with what you have. What factors control a new boat Half Life?

[@johanmarais9950]

Very well presented - good video

[@SailingJoy]

Thank you so much !

[@Manuparis]

Hello. I am on the process of buying a lagoon 42 or a 46. I will have to sail alone. Is it really more difficult with the 46 ? Did you try with a remote ?

[@SailingJoy]

In my opinion they are both manageable single handed. The smaller the easier.

[@Manuparis]

@@SailingJoy thanks a lot. I saw that you can have a remote for the engine as the fly bridge a little bit far from the back which is not convenient when you leave the Martina.

[@SailingJoy]

@@Manuparis don’t know about that. We don’t have it. I like been on the flybridge when docking in a marina.

[@Manuparis]

@@SailingJoy how do you manage the mooring lines on your own then ? (i am sorry if my questions look stupid)

[@SailingJoy]

@@Manuparis I sail as a couple. Have a look at our latest videos you will see us docking. But if I would sail single handed I would prepare all lines and fenders radio the marina and announce I am single handed so they can assist in docking. I hope this helps.

[@williampotteiger4440]

what is your sail combination? good work. bill

[@SailingJoy]

Hi Bill. We have a code zero 110m, geneker 140m and the Genoa. All the best Ed

[@ianstevens1298]

Another great video Ed. Ps. I have received my Senna headsets. Will give them a test on the 28th. Fair winds

[@SailingJoy]

Awesome Ian ! You will like it for sure. We have been using it for going up the mast and other things as well. It comes In Very handy here at JOY. Best Ed

[@mikefrahm1804]

Great video buddy, 46 looks like it has a much better layout, I meet a couple in Copenhagen 2 weeks ago, and they had just bought a Sunreef 50, and they said one of the major differences from the leopard 50 and the Lagoon 52 was No squeaking sounds on the Sunreef. how does the 46" do with squeaking? Take care and continue the great videos... Hang loose from the cold North..

[@SailingJoy]

Hi Mike ! Thank you so much. We have very minimal squeaking on the Lagoon 46. I believe lagoon has done something different on this model even tough have heard from other lagoon 46 owners that they do hear squeaking. Nothing from us so far. Now how about the Sunreef 50! We looooove that boat 🤩🤩🤩. All the best Ed

[@jimdavids6708]

So is a lagoon 46 better than am Amel or Oyster 50/55 ?

[@SailingJoy]

It depends. If you like a monohauls better I would say yes. We are into to Catamarans so we prefer a Lagoon 46 much more. Best Ed

[@BethGoslee]

46 is better , bigger is better when it comes to a boat!

[@SailingJoy]

We do agree 🥳

[@criscaires6713]

Se você fosse sozinho, ainda assim trocaria o 42 pelo 46?

[@SailingJoy]

Sen duvida ! Abracos.

[@alexanderlenina4203]

Very nice theme. With the Lagoon 42, I was always bothered by the loud noise of the cupboards, a kind of creaking. Especially in high seas. Older models didn't have that, and new FP catamarans don't have that either. What about your Lagoon 46? Is there a difference in noise level compared to Lagoon 42? Thank you for your videos. Always a pleasure to look at.

[@SailingJoy]

Alexander the 46 hardly creaks. I did notice that a lot on the 42. Thanks for been here with us. All the best Ed

[@MrBobVick]

Bulk heads are hard to check, but many have had issues.

[@KingFrenchy11]

what you do for living to be able to live aboard ?

[@SailingJoy]

Worked hard and saved a lot but let me share with you this video it may help ! Best Ed kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2bMeoioZbJlj80

[@kimmacdonald1049]

The 48 for big seas around the south east of Africa

[@SailingJoy]

🙏🙏o

[@roydenvickers]

how many busted bulkheads?

[@SailingJoy]

None. They are doing great thanks.

[@HHJung1976]

Flybridge is a no go for me, happy with my 42

[@SailingJoy]

It is a matter of preference without a doubt ! All I can tell you is that it does works very well for us. Best Ed

[@HHJung1976]

@@SailingJoy I would feel isolated there up and on long passage you be in the salon and need to go up to adjust the sails. You dont feel so?

[@SailingJoy]

Hi Tim. It is a valid concern but after sailing extensively the 2 models I still prefer the flybridge hands down. I really think it comes down to a preference.

[@skyboys9814]

But I really want a sunreef 80.

[@SailingJoy]

Oh Sunreef!!!! 🌟

[@Mordalo]

You got bit by 2 foot itis. 😉😉

[@SailingJoy]

🙏

[@bryanherbage]

looks like a block of flats ! not a boat !

[@SailingJoy]

I understand but remember What would happen the poor little red color if everyone liked only the color green ? Good look finding a boat that is perfect for you. All the best

[@RobotronOG]

Upgrade your Lagoon by not buying another Lagoon.

[@SailingJoy]

Super happy with ours. 3 years traveling around the world and enjoying it ! Now, a Lagoon Catamaran is not for everyone. I recommend you find a brand that suits your wants and needs. Good luck. Ed

[@Antipodean33]

"Upgrade" you gotta be taking the piss, you seen the workmanship on the 45's? If those are built like that I can't see why the other models wouldn't be just as terrible when it come to build quality

[@SailingJoy]

Actually I am not and Yes I have seen it. This is the second Lagoon we owned and we are very happy with it after sailing it over 10.000 nautical miles and crossing the Atlantic Ocean. There was a problem with some L450s bulkheads which does not apply for 42 or 46s. I really wonder if YOU ever entered or sailed a Lagoon 42 or 46. Best of luck with your boat search.

[@healer81]

They both fall apart after a few ocean crosses. These 500-700k catamarans are garbage, the industry needs to change

[@SailingJoy]

Not here. Holding strong after 10.000 nautical miles.

[@143tinaed]

I can't even upgrade my 2004 jetta