TOP 5 Reasons To Use Home Theater Receivers for STEREO!

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► USING A HOME THEATER RECEIVER FOR STEREO
Curious about when to use an av receiver vs when to use an stereo amplifier? Hardcore audiophiles will probably shout “Blasphimey!” but I think using home theater receivers for stereo music is a great way to find a (sometimes) more affordable way to enjoy two channel music. Using av receiver for music even allows you to expand your system into a full home theater set up should you decide to go that route down the road. Here are my top 5 reasons to use home theater receivers for stereo!
TOP 5 Reasons To Use Home Theater Receivers for STEREO!
INTRO: 00:00
HIFI SEPARATES VS RECEIVERS: 01:36
ALL INCLUSIVE RECEIVERS: 03:26
TV CONNECTIVITY: 04:12
SUBWOOFER INTEGRATION: 05:11
ROOM CORRECTION: 05:58
SETUP FLEXIBILITY: 07:41
CONCLUSION: 08:24
KRISTI'S TAKE: 08:41
SIGN OFF: 13:54
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[@swingkat]

Props for throwing up the side by side. Takes guts!

[@robinsonbrand]

@@swingkat No shame here.

[@bullpup33]

Still struggling to get the results I want from my Anthem MRX540. PS if want to demo an MRX 540 I will be more than happy to lend you mine. All in the name of science.

[@lonniefarmer7067]

I am all about A/V! My Marantz being programable for 2-channel @ Subs (145 W) or 7.2.4 (100W) theater and both with room correction meets my needs. The speakers and wiring cost a bit but it is a good reward for a retired man and wife who played by the rules and won.

[@mikes121]

@@bullpup33 I just picked up a 740. Lots of settings to play with.

[@cheapaudioman]

Great video. I’ve been pondering this very thing since I’ve had time with the pioneer and just how good it is with music.

[@rhysholley8289]

What pioneer is this? I’ve just bought some pro-ject speaker box 5s2 and amp but don’t want to rule out home theatre in future and can’t afford both.

[@alonsomolinar]

Best cameo ever!!!

[@MrRocktuga]

Yes. You could benefit from more AV receivers review, even if using them in stereo setups. IMHO, AV receivers pack more real world benefits over stereo amplifiers in the lower end of the price range. This has likely related to the number of units sold, and how much more competitive that market is (against 2 channel amplifiers), and you usually get streaming services like Tidal, integrated DAC, bass management and a level of control of most rooms acoustics that entry level stereo amplifiers can only dream of. And interestingly enough, they usually have more power on 2 channels for euro (they only start to go down on real power when we start adding more and more channels playing at the same time). There are obvious audio performance advantages on separates when you climb the price ladder, but on entry-level stereo integrated amplifiers (these days), I rarely see the value proposition of a 500 to 750 euro stereo amplifier. Even at 1.000 euros, a lot of them are still lacking on value.

[@kerkiraz]

I’m leaning towards this set up it’s proven tech that works very well. I made a mistake in buying a supposedly high end sound bar for music and it has always underwhelmed me even with the average stereo set up that I had which I’m convinced sounded superior.

[@os6219]

I can agree on this about Pioneer for owning one myself until the HDMI card died a few years ago. Not reparable. Quite a lot of AV receivers died this way. Needed to replace fast, bought a Denon. Definitely not for Hifi! And no pre out either. Learning the hard and expensive way…. So now Fosi or Wiim. Haven’t decided yet. Fosi double mono would be a way to go or wiim Amp. Not the same budget either. Aargh!

[@joshdekubber3631]

I'm a minimalist and love my AVR! It works great in my music first mixed use system. Great video Andrew & Kristi!! I hope you're enjoying your new home and everything is coming together for you both!!

[@richardramorino3319]

I'm a dedicated two channel guy, but I appreciate your open-mindedness. The hobby needs a lot more of that.

[@buzzmachinemedia]

Really good video. I’ve had both AVRs as well as two channel, and even have vintage Sansui and Marantz units (I just love music). I feel that the speakers make the biggest difference in any system. In pure mode, or in two-channel (or 2.1) on my Marantz, Denon, and older HK AVRs the sound is really nice. Search for an AVR with a reputation for nice stereo sound (many from Marantz, Pioneer, NAD have solid audio), and enjoy flexibility. Add great speakers to increase your fun levels. Try to get an AVR with pre-amp outs, so you can use an external power amp (if you’re really concerned about sound quality or power). As always, Andrew nails it.

[@mikeingamells8891]

One thing I have very much enjoyed is listening to 5.1 surround music. There are quite a few albums available on Blu-ray, DVD, and SACD in the 5.1 format, many of them lossless. I like the additional separation of the instruments, which makes for a much more immersive experience. I'm a bit surprised that this has not taken hold more. Like Andrew describes, I've got one room in which to watch movies and listen to music. So I bought a high end AVR with plenty of power and decent clarity for listening to music, while also handling movies. Then I tried listening to a few albums in 5.1 and fell in love with it. It's a great way to experience music.

[@subzerohf]

I am totally with you on this. For this reason I started my subscription to Apple Music. They have quite a bit of spatial music titles across many genres.

[@russellparker4568]

All the stuff I watch on KZbin you guys are the only ones I wait to sit and watch on the big screen through the hifi. Look forward to it every week. Really happy for you two with your journey, great stuff guys 👌🏻

[@Radioheadfan2]

I’m doing exactly this. Picked up an Anthem MRX 540 to drive my Wharfedale Lintons and JL Audio D110 in my office 2.1 setup. Works beautifully and ARC Genesis room correction is top notch!

[@adamjj85]

Spot on for room correction. That is the #1 in my opinion and a necessity at least for low frequencies due to the inconsistency of bass performance within a room.

[@sum124get2]

I totally, 100% agree! Because it being the centre of your entertainment in the living room, you can do so much more with an AVR vs just an amp

[@RaviSingh-ph2uw]

Love that you tackled this subject, needing something 4ohm capable is a great point and the reason I went this route. Congratulations on finally buying the new house, I can't wait to see the new living room setup.

[@royexcellentalexander8308]

You're the first audio expert l hear make this suggestion im 72 and found this out years ago , the versatility of the Avr's.what l like is the choice of sounds effect the easy switch from one setup to the other..andrew you are the best.also like the idea of you asking the first lady her opinion..keep up the good work.

[@adamdavis7520]

Hi Andrew. I couldn't agree more. For a time I worked at Best Buy and would always recommend folks pick-up a multi-channel receiver rather than Stereo tuners or integrated amps to save money and also provide them with flexibility to expand going forward. The latter was an equally weighty argument that I made to HTIB shoppers who wanted immediate gratification and it was all that I could do to dissuade them. I usually did this by showing them the THD % of the HTIBs and then having them listen to the receivers in the Magnolia section. Though this was years back, I still make the same recommendation to folks if they happen to ask me about my opinion. You get a lot of bang-for-your-buck with receivers and most of the R&D goes into them to keep them modern. Lots of competition keeps prices lower than with separates as well. Anyone looking to potentially expand from a 2.0/2.1 to a 5.1 or beyond would be wise to look at multichannel receivers to dip their toes into Stereo then add a Center channel and Sub to improve HT/Music listening. Add AppleTV and you get the option for Dolby Atmos Audio and the arguments are even more compelling when HDMI simplifies that lossless surround experience.

[@Jolanda789]

I use an av receiver from the early 2000 that was bought by my father back then, it sounds in stereo really good and clear, but when i use the dolby pro logic and the 5.1 channels classical music becomes just gorgeous, sounds like you are in a theather

[@VeerMaharaj]

The new bumpers are just fantastic andrew. Production and look are pure excellence. That little audio snippet in the background with that little hit of bass is divine. Choice of topic is more educational than looking to stir up the trouble. Fantastic video, straight to the point and doesn't sound like a lecture. Keep it up and congrats on the house.

[@grrrrr2936]

I went with an AVR for my new shop building over a cheap stereo amp mainly to control multiple inputs and subwoofer connection. TV, AVR and speakers were free from a friend moving out of the country. Bought a rolling cart for the TV so I can move it to the patio for football watching and moving around the 26x40 shop. Very happy with my set up!

[@dougbulldog9947]

Good points raised in this video, I regularly use my Yamaha RX-V483 in 2 channel stereo or direct mode, with Wharfedale Diamond 9.5 towers & 2 active subwoofers. I have the option to bi-amp from this budget 5.1 receiver at the expense of my rear channel tower speakers, but I believe some music just sounds better in 5.1, with proper speaker placement through the DD+, Pro-logic IIX Music, or Yamaha 3D Cinema surround modes, especially; Hendrix Little Wing and tunes by artists like Yelawolf and Stick Figure.

[@alexron2023]

I love my AV receivers, have them all over the house in each room, so easy to have so much flexibility when you need it. Onkyo's and Denon's in my setup .Great video as usual.

[@robinsonbrand]

Thanks Ron, appreciate you tuning in!

[@trevorsuderman4116]

For several years, an Anthem MRX-700 served as the centre piece for both home theatre and music in my setup. One of the primary reasons for going with the Anthem (according to all the reviews at the time), was how good it sounds with music and it did not disappoint. I actually preferred using Anthem Logic Music , a listening mode which disables the centre channel and utilizes the 2 rear surround speakers, sort of like 4 channel stereo. The speakers were all B&W 600 series with an SVS 13 Ultra sub. It sounded amazing to my ears. I eventually added and Anthem MCA-20 (2 X 200 watts), to power the front speakers as the receiver has pre-outs but does not support bi-amping. Really great topic for this video Andrew. You are one of the few on KZbin whose opinion I respect and it is always interesting to hear Kristi's perspective. Keep up the good work!

[@anthonywilson6893]

Hello Andrew. I am always appreciative of your gear reviews and perspective. I have sat in front of many a receiver, amplifier, monitors, speakers, etcetera. I used to change them out every several months looking for that perfect and sweet combination. The one thing I have learned through those years can be filtered to one major contributor. I have found that the parts that contribute the most to higher quality sound are in the amplification section: No matter what component you get, ensure the power production is from a clean and well designed amplifier. I have had many ‘Hi-Fi’ units that were designed well with options and DAC’s up there with the best but the amplifier section was limited and weak. It reduced the potential of the other components. I have also used many entry level ‘sleeper’ units with stellar amp sections that sang so sweet. Let’s just say that most new AVR sound good, even entry level, up to about 30% volume and every percent past that increases distortion level to parallel it. That is why so many separate component system with big, beefy, quality amplifiers sound so nice. Put an entry level receiver behind them and one may be surprised how nice it actually sounds. Just my 7 cents worth. Thanks for all the content, keep it coming.

[@BobSmith-mz1uo]

I gave away a perfectly good Onkyo stereo receiver and replaced it with an Onkyo 5.1 that I only use for a 2.1. I get way better sound than I could otherwise get by having individual volumes for both speakers and sub and most of all, having an ADJUSTABLE CROSSOVER. I cannot believe it isn't more common to find a stereo receiver with these features. Don't come near me with a stereo amp with a fixed frequency subwoofer out jack, and don't tell me to "turn down the crossover on the back of the sub" like that's the same thing. It isn't the same because the speakers will still be playing full range and the sub will sound more closed with the frequency turned down. All the magic happens when you remove the unplayable lower frequencies from going to your speakers and let your sub remain completely open and only playing below what the speakers are getting. And while I'm on my soapbox, stop telling me to set my crossover at 80 when my speakers easily play down to 60. Everything sounds so much better when I set the crossover to 60. (End of rant) 🐸

[@ount252]

Crossover boils down to different speakers, different subs, and preference. Having said that, I actually prefer my crossover at 60hz as well ;) Also, I feel that those variabilities in speakers and subs reinforces your argument in that an AVR crossover gives you greater flexibility in that regard. It seems like it'd be totally doable to make an integrated 2 channel amp that has a similar frequency split/crossover since integrated amps have a dac and dsp capabilities. For whatever reason though there are plenty of amps that don't do that.

[@ShakazuluJones]

In the mid 90's, with an eye toward a possible home theater set up, I bought a big Denon 7 channel AVR receiver rated around 175W per channel. Was running Vienna acoustics (still use) and a six changer Sony cd player with a Dual TT as well. Sounded awesome. On the side I still had the trusty big boy, music only, Hafler DH500 with preamp. Never made it to the home theater set up but the music sounded damn fine! I have no qualms about operating this way......until the bug hits to move beyond........🤣🤣 Good stuff sir.

[@sanjayh8645]

Did you manage to attach an external phono to your amp? I see the Denon Avr (xr-1700h) has one built in but won't support MC cartridge use. So where can you attach an external phono. Was wondering if you had tried?

[@ThePittsburghToddy]

I found a Denon AVR at a used bookstore for $40. I use it to power some old NHT SuperOnes mounted on my back porch. I’m super happy with this.✌🏻

[@kevinnickens]

Andrew and Kristi, this video idea is really good, I’m so glad y’all addressed this topic. This is my favorite audio channel and I can’t wait for the new home build content

[@robinsonbrand]

So glad you enjoyed it!

[@matthewkrienke211]

One thing I like about newer av receivers is the sound fields you can experiment with on 2 channel music. Music sound fields like “Dolby pro logic IIx music”, “Neo 6 music”, “concert” etc. add a greater sound field in my opinion. I prefer those to the “ pure direct” function as it sounds crisper and clearer to me.

[@andrewwood9067]

Yup, a very good option on a budget is to buy the flagship AVR models of yesterday. I bought a Sony STR-DA7100ES, it is from 2005 and doesn't have a lot of the newer options like streaming, bluetooth, etc, but I don't need it to. I listen to CD's and at 170w per channel, it can power most speakers out there plus you can bi-amp them. I did test this and it was more like 155w but is plenty for my new CSS Criton 1TDX speakers. This AVR is very musical, and I couldn't be happier. I have Infinity Kappa 8's and have my separates for that, but yeah, great idea!

[@richierey6904]

Hi Andrew, I’ve been an AVR connoisseur since the mid/late 90s. My first purchase was a Yamaha to complement a pair of B&W CDM 7 SEs, then moved on to an Integra and have now settled onto a Marantz. Although I have an SR 7013 I use the AVR strictly for processing and power my speakers with a 7-channel Marantz MM8077. One of the benefits I love about the AVR is the ability for it to duplicate stereo via multi-channel. I am not referring to Dolby or DTS, I am referring to replicating the stereo channels via multiple pairs of speakers. In addition to my AVR and power amplifier I am also running a Marantz TT-15 and 6 pairs of Bower and Wilkins tower speakers (804S, CDM 7 NT, CDM 7 SE) and 2 Bowers and Wilkins subs (12” and 15”). All are forward facing in a 24’ X 18’ room with the 804s toe-ed in toward a “sweet spot”, and the other 4 B&Ws toed-in toward a second “sweet spot” approximately 8 feet behind the first. My son, who is partially on the autism spectrum and has an amazing musical talent and ear, accidentally discovered that peculiar set up and it sounds incredible in terms of depth (holographic) and width (soundstage). I can get detailed in the specifics of speaker placement, distance settings, crossover settings, level settings, flat versus reference, mdax, whether or not to use Audyssey, etc …. However more importantly, I would like to know your thoughts on multi-channel stereo. To most audiophiles, I understand the anathema. And when I heard it myself I was immediately put off simply due to the cacophony of congested sound waves. However with advancements in AVR technology and a little willingness and patience to trial a nearly limitless combination of audio settings, It is amazing what one can do to achieve the the presence of a symphony within the walls of their own home. Look forward to reply, Thank you.

[@CreateTimeToListen]

Many years ago, I bought a Yamaha RX-A1010 AV/receiver to replace my old all-in-one system. That was the start of my new setup and my hunt for an audiophile system. I recycled the speakers I had to start with, but every year I added another (separate) element to it. I've used this receiver for years now with a pair of Q Acoustics 3020 bookshelve speakers in combination with a subwoofer. I do select the 'pure direct' function, which bypasses the internal equaliser/sound program settings and just amplifies the sound of the source that's fed into the receiver. This gives me the most satisfying result for stereo listening. Last month I found a cheap pair of Mordaunt-Short 906 speakers in a thrift shop. I replaced the Q Acoustics with those and bi-amped them on the receiver. The sound they deliver exceeded my expectations. Airy, open and detailed sound. The bass is snappy and has some punch, but it goes less deep than the subwoofer. It is more lively and rhythmic though. The result is so enjoyable that I'm not thinking of replacing my AV/receiver by a dedicated stereo amplifier yet. The Q Acoustics 3020's now function as surround loudspeakers for movies, where they've replaced some old satellite speakers I had. It's nice to get some confirmation by this video that AV/receivers can provide some good stereo sound.

[@_cmoll]

I'm using the NAD T778 for 2-channel music with Klipsch RF7 IIIs and additionally an RC-64 III and SVS SB4000 sub for 3.1 home theater watching. It's heaven!

[@robinsonbrand]

The T778 is great!

[@Eron55555]

Also with the right AVR you get preouts so you can have more fun down the road and maintain multiroom zones and play with new amps.

[@musicalintuition]

I love the intensity with which you listen to your spouse / partner. You seem like a good duo!

[@josebaaz7461]

this past week I realized how much more convenient it is to have an av receiver. I started my audio journey a year ago and messed around with different options of amp set ups and would struggle so much with getting that stereo sound I was looking for. Today I’m enjoying my set up very much

[@rabbit73au]

I have a AV Receiver with my mains hooked up to a power amplifier to makes a huge difference

[@MikeDS49]

AVRs tend to get replaced more quickly because of constantly changing specs, like 4K, HDR, eARC, etc. You may find a used higher performance AVR for the same price as a new 2 channel system.

[@shawnhampton8503]

I have a Marantz multi channel AV receiver paired with Paradigm Monitor 11 speakers. The Marantz has a set up that bi wires it and pulls the various dedicated amps for the channels together. It sounds fantasma gastical!! I have been in love with the sound for several years.

[@timobi_1604]

I know this is geared a little more for the 2 channel person BUT I have grown to love music in 5.1 or even just a simulated surround mode. Not all the time but I enjoy that option. Great video Andrew!

[@BookClubDisaster]

You might not be old enough to remember this, but back when everyone bought stereos, they often sold them all in once package. So no work required for the customer unlike now where you have to assemble all the parts yourself. I remember buying a Sony stereo system in the mid 90's from.....I don't know......JC Penny!? It was definitely some store in the mall. It had a CD player, tape deck, amp, floor standing speakers, and sub. And the cabinet. All in one.

[@RP-ms7lu]

Very good suggestion, now please make a video on mid to low price AVR with Bluetooth and wifi and great sounds

[@zenquest2900]

Love your videos, love the honest, detailed explanations, and I love how you can just riff when Kristi asks you a question and it’s gold, not filler bs you sometimes get elsewhere.

[@robinsonbrand]

Thanks so much!

[@eespinosa64]

Why not? I'm currently rocking a 30-yr old Pioneer AV receiver with my Klipsch floor speakers and Bluesound Node 2i. Sounds great to me!

[@LASoundCrafter]

Wonderful review - and exactly the way I want to go. My audiophile friends will snub me forever, but with Apple Music going dolby surround sound with some good mixes coming out, I’m installing ceiling speakers and two Kef LS50 meta (easy to run) with a Kef center. Where I spend most is on high end headphones. I’m still not certain on which receiver to go with.

[@mcjonner]

My question is is can you compare avrs with integrateds. How would a mid range avr compare with a mid range integrated, what benefits would one expect between a power node with a denon or something like that

[@HotLightbulbs]

Been looking to pick up a receiver for a while! I like the flexibility, usability, and modular nature. Thanks for the video and advice. Helps me make my decision.

[@robinsonbrand]

Thanks for watching!

[@johnshoemaker6684]

I wanted more then my current soundbar w/subwoofer could deliver but also wanted to keep things pretty minimal. Now that I have all my components I will be putting together my 3.1 system built around some products that you have positively reviewed.

[@devwhit]

This actually was more thought provoking than I expected! It may influence my audiophile direction moving forward. Thanks a lot Andrew! 😎

[@robinsonbrand]

I would encourage folks to give it a try. It's okay if you don't ultimately decide it's right for you, but I believe it's worth consideration.

[@devwhit]

@@robinsonbrand Absolutely! I pretty much dismissed going the AVR route until this video. I currently have a Sony STR-DH190 paired with Elac Debut 2.0 6.2 stand mounts, with a Schiit Modi 3 DAC. I was thinking my next step would be to upgrade the Sony 2-channel receiver to an integrated amp (like an IOTAVX SA3 perhaps). Decisions, decisions… 😁

[@aeromaniac13]

Agreed! I'm realizing that I watch TV way more than I sit down and listen to my stereo... I really need a center channel to reduce that compressed vibe from my 2 channel setup.

[@dr.paulj.watson4582]

I have a Denon AVR. When I upgraded my turntable, I also got a good phono stage for it. That plugs into one of the regular component inputs of the AVR. I think that small box is the most important thing to add to an AVR if you want to improve overall musicality. Also, learn how to use something like a pure direct setting that turns off most AVR circuitry when you wish to listen to two channel stereo.

[@rdroid2438]

Which phono stage recommend? Where on the Denon does it plug into

[@dr.paulj.watson4582]

@@rdroid2438 I love my Moon 110LP v.2. It will handle any MM or MC cartridge. It plugs into any line-in RCA connections on your AVR. You do not use the phono connection. You connect the turntable ground to the ground on the phono preamp.

[@MichaelLivingston-me]

I have separate components, but I bought an Onkyo TX-NR686 7.2-channel home theater receiver. I find myself enjoying 5 channel stereo surround sound for music, besides Dolby Digital for movies. Having exposure to many types of equipment, through my servicing, I get to test many amplifiers, turntables, and speakers. I think a recent pairing of this receiver and Totem Rainmaker loudspeakers, was a beautiful listening experience.

[@manikdesilva1]

Man I was on the fence and your video really helped my narrow it down. It’s great that an AVR handles multiple HDMI ports making chromcast , and airplay an easy reality if you already own those streaming devices.

[@totalplonker824]

I had always been under the impression that receivers not only makes 2-channel music sound a little tinny but can also make the audio sound a little digital too, but that impression was blown out the window once I tried the arcam avr20. I actually preferred the sound of the arcam avr20 standing alone then the Denon 6500 helped out with a poweramp 😯

[@rhysholley8289]

Hey butty boy donkey dicker. My fellow Welshman I can’t decide on wether to get an AVR for my pro-ject speaker box 5 s2 or stick with a stereo receiver. I want to future proof in case I decide to home theatre but not at the cost of loss of quality of music. Also plan on getting some keg LS50meta . I can’t spend more than £1000 on either a stereo receiver or AVR . What do you recommend?

[@totalplonker824]

@@rhysholley8289 what's happening butty 😄 if I was you I'd persevere and carry on saving rather than taking the risk and living with regret! Besides doing the research to buy a new set up can be an enjoyable journey in itself. One thing you should take into account, if you was to go with the ls50 metas for home theatre, what would you use as a centre channel? And of course quality speakers like the meta's are not gonna be able to truly sing with a mid-priced standing alone AVR. If you're looking for any more advice, I'd be happy to help... click on our red dragon

[@photogcw]

I admire your bravery to speak out on this publicly. Expect heavy blowback from the traditional audiphiles. This is the route I went when I downsized my home, mothballed my 5.1 system back to strictly 2-channel audio. I'm running a 12-year old Onlyo AVR because it has so many different audio inputs and I have several different sources from the cable box to a PS4. If I used a respectable pre-amp, I would run out of the inputs.

[@stewarttownley961]

Thanks for the advice. Just bought a pair of kef Q550's and a marantz receiver for my setup!

[@scottbaylor6215]

QOTD: I grew up with using AVR’s for over two decades. As I moved from watching movies to listening to music, I wanted an improved two channel listening experience. So I sold my AVR and acquired a a Cambridge Audio CXA81. I was amazed about how much detail I was missing. No regrets for sure. Yes I wholeheartedly agree you can get good two channel listening from an AVR, but, if you are looking for something special from your music, hard pressed to beat a solid two channel setup. (Also, with audio input, you protect yourself from technology upgrades). I’ll get an AVR someday but for now, I plan to enjoy my Cambridge Audio receiver for years to come. 👍🏻. Keep up the good work guys.

[@tonepilot]

Something to beware of if setting up an AV receiver in a music listening area….some of them need a connection to a TV to access basic functions like tone control. I’ve ordered a Marantz NR1200 for my listening area because it had both physical tone controls and a phono preamp. It’s going to be driving a pair of Klipsch Ref II speakers and two 10” Klipsch subwoofers. It’s been on order for a month now. Really hard to get. It doesn’t need a TV to access all its features.

[@EmJayDabeat]

AVRs are totally doable. But I would only purchase one where I could bypass any sort of digital processing and have a pure analogue pathway from source to speaker.

[@rysh5503]

After doubting about the quality of the phono stage of my Yamaha reciever, I upgraded with a separate phono preamp (not even high end) and the sound improvement was HUGE! I can finally hear the vinyl properly. Then I coupled the reciever with another stereo amp via the pre out of the reviever. The stereo amp sounds way more musical and alive. I fully agree on the top 5 benefits of AV recievers but musicality does not seem to be AVR's first strength to say the least. Great video by the way :)

[@cpa889900]

I completely agree with this video. I use an AVR and AVR processor for both my 2 channel setups. I hunted down a Yamaha RX-3080 to push my KEF R3s. I am using a Yamaha CX5200 with an Arcam PA720 for the B&W 705 S2s. I am very happy with my setup because I only have to use one app to access streaming services and control all settings. And of course, I am running multi sub setups.

[@paolocruz8392]

Watching concerts with surrounds is a whole new experience in listening to music.

[@Kryptic1046]

I agree. Purists don't like it but I've long since ceased giving af what they think (if I ever did). Those people live to tell you how everyone else's opinions suck except theirs. Certain kinds of music like live performances and orchestral are an amazingly immersive experience on a good surround set-up.

[@gerardosolana663]

I've tried to replace my separates with a quality AVR but truth is that they just sound flat and cannot compare to the sound of a quality amp. The newer AVR's can be used as a pre if you're on a budget but the amp section is just not up to pair.

[@briansimmons5363]

Yep, same here. All cheap class d chips, limited current output. Nothing beat the value proposition of an AB amplifier IMO.

[@joealberti8553]

Hi Andrew. While I'm not into Home Theater, I do have an AVR as the heart of my audio system. I currently use a Harmon/Kardon AVR-20 and love it. It has a good phono stage, and a lot of flexibility. I do still use a CD player and cassette and reel to reel decks, as well as a turntable, and it handles them all beautifully.

[@tmo8320]

Last year, I finally broke down and updated my 2.1 channel audio setup. It was clear watching TV and films that a lack of center channel was making watching things almost impossible. I got a Marantz SR8012, a B&W HTM71 S2 center and KEF LS50 Metas for surround. I used to run an Aragon 18K pre with an Adcom GFA5400 amp driving my Energy C6 main speakers and my ADS MS3 powered sub. Perhaps at some point, I’ll upgrade the main speakers and replace the Adcom (which I now use to drive the mains via pre-out). I’m space constrained and my audio room is also for TV / gaming / film watching. I certainly appreciate the perspectives offered in the video. I have yet to do the Audissey room correction.

[@GordonFadie]

One additional reason: AVRs have HDMI inputs. You can play SACDs through your Blu-Ray player (if it supports HI-Res).

[@JohnstonCheng]

I feel like there should be more emphasis on the fact that you can still add separates to an AVR. AVRs with pre-outs would allow external amplifiers if desired. They also have plenty of analog inputs if one should decide to go with an aftermarket DAC. The expandability isn't limited to going from stereo setup to home theater later on.

[@hitters07]

Definitely. A lot of comments here seem to be unaware that for like $100 they could add a small Bluetooth/DAC receiver for dedicated listening that will probably beat the existing DAC significantly

[@jp93309]

Yup second this. I haven’t had to use the pre-outs yet but good to know I have the option if I want more juice.

[@damienwilliams7566]

Agree

[@garyb7193]

Some AVRs manufacturers such as Pioneer have Direct and Pure Direct modes which bypass video, EQ, and DSP circuitry for a more cleaner direct audio path. Used with an external DAC, the quality of sound is remarkable.

[@garyb7193]

Some AVRs manufacturers such as Pioneer have Direct and Pure Direct modes which bypass video, EQ, and DSP circuitry for a more cleaner direct audio path. Used with an external DAC, the quality of sound is remarkable.

[@doowopdude9178]

I pretty much agree with everything presented in this video. I am currently running an Audio Technica LP7 turntable with an Ortofon Bronze cartridge through a Schiit Mani and Loki combination and into a Yamaha AVR6a AV receiver. When set on Pure Direct, the receiver does not process the signal in any way and sends it only to the two Polk M70 front speakers. The sound is highly detailed with a decent soundstage with clear highs and tight punchy lows. It's a difficult room with a large brick fireplace, 5 windows and hardwood floors but the combination works well, and I am highly satisfied.

[@danieldavis3288]

I've always done this, and it works out pretty well. Still using my Yamaha HTR 5630 receiver that I bought many years ago. They are paired up with a new Klipsch surround sound system, and stereo works great with it. Highly recommend.

[@tonyr.5535]

One reason I like receivers is they have full equalizers rather than simple base/trebble adjustments as most 2 channel amps only have.

[@rvltn3962]

Great points! Thank you ! Now that I'm confirmed it's a serious and viable option, and considering I will stick to a 2 channel system, I have the following question. I plan to get the Klipsch RP-8000f or the KEF Q750 (loved your reviews) and to pair them with the Onkyo RZ-50. Is the Marantz Model 40 a better choice (as it does also everything) ? Does the price difference translate in a significantly better sound quality ?

[@joshuabellinger267]

Super good question! I would love to know the answer to that as well.

[@robinsonbrand]

If you know, I MEAN KNOW that you are not going to expand to home theater or mult-channel anything and you do not need or want room correction, get the Marantz. BUT, if you want to spend less and get more, the RZ50 will power 8000Fs no problem and do just fine with KEF too.

[@joshuabellinger267]

@@robinsonbrand That makes sense. Thanks!

[@rvltn3962]

@@robinsonbrand Thanks a lot Andrew! Super looking forward for your new type of content coming in! Keep up the amazing work :)

[@j.j.h.atemycereal]

I've almost always used an AVR for stereo music and never had any issues. Great video, guys. Thanks!

[@mohamedahmed1023]

Another great video as per usual. I totally agree. I really want to underscore the value of (well applied) room correction, especially in the low end. It can really push an AVR to a point where separates will struggle to compete if they don't have room correction.

[@herjantow.l.6063]

I use Yamaha RX-A2080 with very good floorstanding speaker, and some of ext HDD with full of audiophile music files. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@PewterTA2k1]

My friend runs his Bowers and Wilkins 702 S2 Signatures on a RX-A1080 and it's really wonderful how good it sounds. So a "good" receiver can work with high current demanding speakers. :) Could it get better, sure, but it's not bad at all with just the receiver powering them.

[@dastiffmeisterman]

In my opinion the only way you can replace a decent 2 channel system with an AV receiver is if you go with the flagship models. Pretty much anything below them just has very weak 2 channel performance even if you spend up to 1500 on them. I have owned many mid tier and many flagship AV receivers, including Yamaha, Denon, Pioneer and Arcam and there is just something different about the flagship models they have a significant bump in power, clarity and soundstage. Arcam may be an exception but they start at a premium anyway.

[@kgeren1987]

Awesome video. I too recently went through the same mental gyrations on using an AVR in a two channel setup. I originally purchased a Marantz SR5011 and went with a 5.1 setup for a couple years. I eventually grew tired of all the speakers, speaker wire, and rat's nest of cables behind the TV. I have since gone to a traditional 2.1 system for music listening and am absolutely thrilled with the sound. I did leave it hooked up to the TV and it sounds great as well. I got rid of my CD / Blu-ray player and hooked up a blue sound node 2021 version for high-res music streaming. Again... Thrilled. I also have an older NAD 3155 integrated amp that I can quickly hook up instead of the Marantz. The NAD is an old school traditional integrated amp and while it may have slightly more punch and aggression than the Marantz... I can't say it really sounds any better. I'll make use of the NAD someplace else. Thanks for the video.

[@davidjudd951]

Thanks for the great info. Not that I've had buyers remorse for the recent purchase of the Marantz SR6015, but the crazy overload of "Too much information", and snobbery of audiophiles, can leave a person wondering about a leap of faith into a $1700.00 receiver. Especially the "Separates only" crowd. Not that I regret it, because every time I turn it on, and listen to music, I just grin with amazement over how well it sounds. Even with two channel movie viewing, it's quite the sweet machine.

[@computerenthusiast402]

Which 7.1 AVR’s produce the Best Sound Quatity for 2.1 Music and which do you prefer ?……

[@8474Starscream]

Awesome content!

[@KristiWright]

😊

[@8474Starscream]

@@KristiWright I live in the desert 🏜 as well / high Sierra Nevada's watch those rattle snakes on walks with Katie. I never let my Ridgeback off leash!

[@KristiWright]

@@8474Starscream keeping her close by and always on leash. I’m paranoid AF about snakes.

[@8474Starscream]

@@KristiWright Me too. I see a lot of folks taking their dogs off leash into BLM / open space Desert during the Spring & Summer. Fools dogs shove their noses in holes and often times rattle snakes will hide within sage brush. Your looking at possible death and a $5-$7k vet bill. Happy for the new home purchase for the Robinson's!

[@ProductivePM]

Yes just bought an AV receiver and I am thoroughly enjoying the experience. Thanks Andrew, keep up the great work . . .

[@robinsonbrand]

So glad to hear that! Thanks for sharing!

[@timcoley39]

This video answered some paramount questions that were completely puzzling me with all the newer technology of today. Thank you!

[@TheFeFactor]

Five years ago I setup Pioneer VSXLX101 7.2 Channel Networked AV Receiver ($399.00) paired with Klipsch R-28F Reference 5.1 Channel Home Theater Speaker Package ($1,475.00) in our living room and never looked back. Can this be done better for under $2000? maybe it can, but as far as we concerned this is good enough.

[@TheEchelon]

No need to upgrade if you're happy with what you've got :)

[@scottscottsdale7868]

Now do 2 channel stereo for TV and Movies. If you prioritize music reproduction, this is the way to go.

[@HappyJ]

I have a Sony STR DE825 in my family room that I am currently using for 2 channel listening, with a JBL sub and two Sony SSCS5s (will upgrade the speakers when able). I see 2 advantages of using this surround receiver for two chanel listening. 1) As you pointed out, optical from cable box to the Sony receiver for better sound when watching TV. 2) using optical from my WiiM Mini to the Sony receiver to add streaming, which opened a whole new world of listening. I have an old Sansui R70 in my office upstairs, where I keep my vinyl and cd collections. I have a WiiM Mini on that system so I can cast my vinyl and cds to my Family Room Sony when I want.

[@TheMirolab]

I've got 2 systems, and I'm using an Anthem pre/pro as the preamp for each one! In my 2-channel music-only system, I went through a couple different stereo preamps, and finally one day decided to try my old, retired AVM20, only to find out how great and transparent its analog performance is. Plus, it's got lots of inputs, FM radio, and OK (but not the best) sounding DACs. It's got balanced outs for feeding the long XLRs to my active studio monitors. Old AVM20's can be had on eBay for around $350.... a steal.

[@FrightfulAccountant]

For 500 USD you can find quite good integrated 2.0 amplifiers. 5.1 AV Receivers in the 500 USD pricd range, they are just not that great. But I do agree that a GOOD AV Receiver is by defenition good in doing stereo. A lot of the bad reputation of AV Receivers is people spending 500 USD not just on a AV Receiver, but actually on a Home Theater in a Box set: a ultra downmarket Sony, Yamaha, Pioneer or Onkyo AV Receiver with 5 plastic speakers and a 6 inch 'sub' that looks from a distance like it's a serious setup. If you have only 500 to spend, go for a stereo integrated amp and a pair of good bookshelf speakers, that will sound much better than a Home Theater in a Box set.

[@anthonysaturno8265]

Here's my take - as long as the avr has a direct / pure direct mode where it does not process the incoming analog signal then an avr is fine. I paid for my turntable's sound signature and my external dac's sound signatures. I don't want them converted to digital and back to analog.

[@lotog692]

Exactly what I did ~10 years ago. I always ran my TV over the HiFi, because of the awful sound quality of TV speakers 15-20 years ago. And when I replaced the old system in 2011/12, the only option, that could connect and do everything the way I wanted it, was an AVR. I'm now bi-amping my ELAC floorstanders with ~190 Watts per channel, I used Audissey for years (currently using a self made EQ profile for testing), I have upgraded my old TV with an Amazon Fire TV stick, so I can stream not only video, but also (Amazon) music and I recently replaced my BluRay player with a new one, that can also stream video and music and play SACDs, FLAC and DSD. So far I am happy with the sound quality, the possibilities, the connectivity and the overall performance of my system.

[@jdekong3945]

I think this is a very informative, thinking outside the box, vid for folks looking to get started with a nice system. Great points Andrew

[@matthewharhai4039]

Agreed. Love my AVRs, Marantz nr1711, Denon x3700h, DENON DRA-800H & Marantz nr1200.

[@joshuawang5859]

Most people can't tell the difference on sound quality

[@lucv13]

Great video, I sold my home a few years ago and relocated to a new city to be closer to the Granddaughters (5). I found a nice budget studio apartment with a nice kitchen and a fair sized living area estimated at 14' x 20'. I'm a big fan of 2 channel and downsized my 7.1 system to 5.1. I use Paradigm for my center and rears but sold off my giant Studio mains and replaced them with a nice pair of Totem Sttafs. I still use a 1080p 58" non Smart tv for movies etc. While I do still have a few CDs, my main music comes from Blu-ray and DVD concert discs that I play through my Oppo Blu-ray player as well as Stream from my custom PC , gaming is done through the PS3 and PS4. Since the advent of HDMI, sound quality is unparalleled with a minimum of wiring involved. All of the above is connected using a 2nd gen Anthem AVR receiver the MRX 310. While not top of the line, I still consider this to be an audiophile system that I enjoy tremendously and is mostly Canadian...

[@jlutell]

Have had an AVR for years as a preamp with external amps for my power hungry speakers. Plus I use multi-channel for music as well as movie watching. Cheers!

[@computerenthusiast402]

Which brand receivers do you think produce the best sound quality for music and movies ?

[@TheEchelon]

Arcam

[@oblivion_007]

​@@TheEchelonany budget ones?

[@sonicpowerr4068]

there are many, Denon is good, Sony is beast, Marantz is also good, Yamaha good!

[@rockroll575]

Only your ears can answer that !

[@slimjim1104]

Especially if they have preouts for a power amp. It's what I've been doing for years.

[@miharoskar]

Same here. Running fronts from separate amp. Best solution for my audio-videophile needs

[@zalllon]

Realize this vid is 7 month old, but only came across this now. I am a movie enthusiast first, and then music. Of course my biggest constraint is budget, then space (not just length and width, but also height). I’m fortunate to carve out a space in my basement, and focused my experience goal to have 4 channel Atmos. Based on budget and technology, I want for Denon 4400 on a Boxing Day sale, and supported a 7.2.2 set up. This past week got the Emotiva Basx A3, so now I have a 7.2.4. It has made a huge difference in my front stage, and for 2.1 music listening. On a budget, I’m pleased but I know I’ll end upping my speaker quality for stereo listening in a couple of years.

[@blanchardc]

I'm still rocking my 16 y/o Cambridge Audio 540R AVR with Energy RC70 speakers. I use it in 6ch passthrough for music and movies and the thing sounds amazing. I'll be upgrading to a Pioneer 305 once I can afford to.

[@Vodafone16v]

Good to have this video to come back to after being around 1 or 2 purists that claim AV receivers put out "noise"... "for REAL HiFi you need separates and DACs and blah blah blah" Andrew, I noticed you didn't mentioned anything about DACs, and guys who use separates to play from digital sources emphasize in DACs as a very key part of the system. What can you say about DACs in AVRs these days? Are the built in ones as good as expensive "separate" DACs? Would an AVR benefit from an external one? Not sure how this works... Only know 2-channel folks love to talk dac dac dac

[@dannyprecysroadtoforever5234]

I have a high end Sony ES AV receiver that has no problem in the stereo direct mode holding its own with many respected integrated 2 channel amps. Good sounding solid state amps are much easier to build these days due to surface mount components and super clean op amps that keep the cost down without sacrificing audio quality. A dedicated power amp is still the way to go for speakers that are hard to drive but the premise that there is no such thing as a good sounding AV receiver is just rubbish.

[@trooperrogue9732]

Loved it thank you. I've been searching for someone who can pair reciever and speakers & you it. Thank you

[@moinak001]

If you want to listen to Spatial Audio/Atmos Music then AVR it is.

[@stefanokrosano3220]

Spend the most of your money for very good speaker and you will have a smile each time, no matter what receiver you have

[@mariek6993]

most receivers will go down in price as they age or if you wait, next year's amp will be the same price with more stuff... next year the same speakers will probably cost more. you're correct in spending most of your money on speakers. they're probably the best investment in your system.

[@murrieteacher]

I put silly money into my stereo system, include Quads. My partner pointed out that I don't sit and listen as I used to. We were watching more movies using the AV system. I redesigned our interior and exterior to work with climate change or the extra really hot days we experience in Queensland Australia and I lost all the corrective work I had done on the room. The new Yamaha AV's have an all stereo facility that turns all your speakers in a room into a 2.1 system. Sounds interesting! When you look at the speaker collection, it would be no surprise to really clash. Quads, M&K, Klipsch and Wharfedale. But it works! I was going to use a stereo amp with Jamo's , including a sub for my PC but went to a Yamaha network amp.

[@evildrgo]

This is a timely video. I am trying to decide what to use as a bedroom system. My Marantz 2230B (vintage) vs. the NR1402 that was leftover when I upgraded my AVR. Turned out to be a head to head of Vintage Marantz vs. Modern. Decided to keep the 2230B as the bedroom system. It's got such a warm sound that the modern system don't have. I'm going to use the NR1402 as the receiver for my computer room, which I am not as fussy about the sound.

[@crash7098]

Do you have any top stereo receiver recommendations?

[@UnitedRedDevil13]

Cambridge audio cxa61 is pretty awesome

[@totalplonker824]

I've auditioned several mid-price AVRs and I was starting to think I'm gonna have to go with an integrated. None of them were able to get the best out of my sonus Faber speakers but mind you it was only when I gave the arcam avr20 a try, that not only did it make my speakers sound great but the unit is so finally balanced when watching movies no more having to reach for the remote control! And btw Dirac calibration is already on board. The fact that the avr20s successor the AVR 21 has now been released for quite a while, one can now get its predecessor the arcam avr20 for at least 30% off 😮

[@fraudsarentfriends4717]

Yamaha makes nice traditional 2 channel stereo with phono inputs.