Top 5 Total War Diplomacy

[@CComrade]

I was genuinely surprised by that #1 joke I was like, "Wait, no, that's not- Oh, okay, it's just a joke. Thank god..."

[@TheGeoCheese]

It does have the best diplomacy. Taking full advantage of them was the best part.

[@Mordred86]

i started yelling out loud at him, was actually confused for a second.

[@IosifStalinsendsyoutoGulag]

But you can offer and ask for map information at the same time to get like 100-300 florins for free, hahah

[@Metaldude1945]

I would not be surprised that there are people who genuinly think Medieval 2 has the best diplomacy. The game gets so romanticized at times. It was very good at its time, but it is very dated and limited nonetheless.

[@AradanEnvinyatar]

Medieval 2 Diplomacy: You: *exists* Everyone else in the game: “I’m about to end this man’s whole career...”

[@lamidou9998]

Hayden Hooge You : exists The nation who are on the other side of the map : I’ m about to declare war on u by blockading your ports

[@AradanEnvinyatar]

So true 😂

[@EduardoFerreira-gi7wo]

Playing as England and out of nowhere a Portugal army lands at your soil... "Hmmm, nothing is going to happen." *Two minutes and a turn later* "City under siege!"

[@Jukrates]

Rome 1: Enemy: become a vassal. Me: ask shit loads of money. Deal. Enemy attacks the very next turn

[@jarogniewtheconqueror2804]

Jukrates. This happened to me. I got 10k denarii. They got nothing as they attacked me on the same turn literally after the deal

[@jonaskingofsparta]

Gaul: make peace, please? Julii (me): ok, if you give me Mediolanium. Gaul: sure *one second later, during the same end turn* Gaul: Let's siege Mediolanium!

[@Person01234]

Top 5 best Total War Diplomacy systems. Number 5 "at least diplomacy is functional now"

[@kingskelett6265]

Yeah I thought: So when number 5 is just functional everything else is just shit?

[@alexandresilveira6905]

Yeah, its called total war for a reason.

[@Person01234]

@@alexandresilveira6905 Right, because in history Total Wars never involved diplomacy. *eyeroll*

[@hernandogaribaldi8627]

@@Person01234 That's the point of a Total War politic's dipolomacy, the war speaks your adresses/demands instead of diplomatic negotiations. Look pre Great War politics between England and Germany.

[@Person01234]

@@hernandogaribaldi8627 War and diplomacy don't exist without each other. The only game in which "it's war so hurr" might make any sense would be the rome/atilla period when dealing with barbarian nations but even that would be extremely historially sketchy.

[@fatrobin72]

I loved Med 2s diplomacy... 2 signs that a A.I. faction is going to declare war on you soon. 1) diplomats constantly talking but no offer made 2) They make an Alliance with you...

[@roadent217]

Ah, yes, that was fun. Pressing End Turn and then getting off the computer for a bit while the game shuffles through the same diplomat bowing animation 20 times in a row.

[@goganii]

Mousazz what causes that? I still don’t understand

[@IosifStalinsendsyoutoGulag]

@@goganii yeah lol wtf

[@fatrobin72]

@@IosifStalinsendsyoutoGulag Apparently the diplomats are trying to bribe your cities and because it is unsuccessful all you see is them initiate diplomacy and then stop

[@exantiuse497]

I just use the good old "surround the diplomat with armies to kill him" exploit to get rid of them. Too bad you can't do it in the newer titles, instead you get ten different idiotic offers every end turn (e.g. a weak as hell faction wants you, the strongest country in the world, to sign a non-aggression pact and give half your treasury as tribute)

[@josiassanchez4908]

You got me there with the first spot, I thought damn what a fanboy, lol

[@ChaosEIC]

Yeah you gotta love it when you had 10 peace treatys with a faction and they just declaring war again next turn. Nice Medieval 2

[@Ivorytrigger]

@@ChaosEIC same thing happened to me in rise of the samurai

[@SappeREffecT]

Yep he got me too... Nice

[@TudorBaloiu]

ChaosEIC, yeah you are playing as denmark and you and portugal have been allies and in good relations for about 100 turns, you are like more than half a continent apart and they suddenly are like “kek imma blockade ur port with a single ship”. Gotta love m2tw man

[@---uf2zl]

@@ChaosEIC Or when just as you were about to defeat your opponent, the pope demands a ceasefire (that of course the AI can ignore, lowering your relations with the pope).

[@MKfoxbat]

Medieval 2 HRE: attacks my city HRE: accept or we will attack Well gonna reject that seeing you already attacked me

[@exantiuse497]

"Please don't attack. Accept or we'll attack"

[@changlu9649]

Top 5 Total War Peasant units

[@lecoutcritique8854]

ashigaru long yari will be number 1 anyway...

[@lecoutcritique8854]

@Gartnemi I don't know those (I'm not an hardcore fan of TW) but if those unit can't make you win but their presence alone, it's not enough (since long ashigaru yari from Oda counter even tier 2 units)

[@jesseelomaa7661]

Rome 2 mob

[@TheSuperGarvey]

#1 plebs

[@nogisonoko5409]

Ashigaru ni gozaimasu

[@mcmudkipp]

Nobody: Not one person Not a single soul in the universe: Rome 1: Accept or we will attack. - P L E A S E D O N O T A T T A C K

[@frenchguitarguy1091]

Oh shit for a second I actually thought you were going to do Med II, the amount of times Milan stabbed me in the back

[@StarRider253]

Always just take Milan out within the first twenty turns

[@TheGeoCheese]

Milan is the king of backstabbing. Starving a faction to death could never be as fun as starving Milan.

[@FaithfulOfBrigantia]

I know right? Milan was always that faction which backstabbed me when i least expected and was surprisingly more powerful than i expected. I remeber my best cheese battle when i was defending a huge city with a single cavalry unit and my towers burned their ram, so I just lured the Milanese army around under the walls while my towers slowly killed them off one by one.

[@grub833]

@@TheGeoCheese nah for me it was Hungary they always attacked me when I made alliances with them Id get peace and again within a turn they would besiege me

[@rafaelb.m.4756]

Ah yes, the good and old warfaring Milan. I won't call it a glitch, but damn, they screwed that AI up. lol

[@HistoryRepublic99]

The Attila main menu at the begging of a video about good diplomacy in TW is ironic.

[@talhakarsloglu4278]

Bogdan Ionuț Attila's diplomacy is quite good.

[@pewienpanzmiasta6292]

Diplomacy in Attila works well.

[@TheDebilana]

@@pewienpanzmiasta6292 it is endlessly annoying when everyone starts begging for money the second u have around 60K+ gold in reserves, much like in Rome 2

[@HistoryRepublic99]

Yeah, the AI doesn't care about self preservation or the fact that if you are from the other side of the map and when you discover them just to find out that they hate you and the only reason you could have good relations is to be at war with the romans.

[@jaapuitroepteke2750]

What I like about the atilla diplomacy is the way faction leaders impact the faction. Assasinate a faction leader and suddenly you have someone who is open to your religion

[@FaithfulOfBrigantia]

I wish we had a Total War game with Paradox-tier diplomacy

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

why replace broken with broken...

[@MrPizzamoe]

three kingdoms kinda gets there. you can even actually annex vassals now! mind = blown lol

[@FaithfulOfBrigantia]

@@MrPizzamoe My PC can't handle TK so i guess ill never know :p

[@MrPizzamoe]

@@FaithfulOfBrigantia i know the feel... 13 year old me was so hyped for empire and didn't even care that it ran at 20 fps or sth like that. still pumped that up to ultra xD

[@MrPizzamoe]

@@ashmonkey2572 generally yes. but like in every game yet they get more enticed by being cornered. you now can see by how much you need to threaten them tho.

[@dragonlord4643]

You know whats nice? when you cant get anymore Units but there is an Strong Enemy who outnumbres you. You have no Choice but to fight them. So you take some Mercenarys to fill your Ranks, and at the end they won the Battle for you. But who are the Best Mercenarys in Total War? idk.. thats why i ask Legend of Toal War for a Top 5 Mercenary Units!

[@sethleoric2598]

I remember playing HRE and raiding some random faction, think it was France, and seeing a large French army going for my general. I just hired as many mercenaries as i could and somehow the swiss pikes wrecked the noble knights. I don't even know how because Pikes normally suck.

[@MrStn]

As soon as I saw Medieval 2 footage I started laughing, because it couldn't be anything else than a joke. A good joke, that is. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

[@stepanpytlik4021]

Please do not attack.

[@snipetysniper]

You know Total War has a great track record for diplomacy when the first 3 spots are “just functional”

[@Seannery11]

Top 5 future total war historical scenarios: e.g. medieval Balkans, subsaharan africa, early middle ages Iberian peninsula, Italian renaissance city states...

[@Seannery11]

As in which regions in which historical eras would you like to be put into a game next. I mean we already saw a lot of ancient and medieval Europe in general and early middle ages Britain, feudal Japan and ancient China. Iberian, Apennine and Balkan peninsulas in different eras seem pretty cool.

[@bruh4852]

Or historical eras...bronze age total war looks promising but there is lack of knowledge.

[@yugatrasclart4439]

Medieval Balkans IS getting worked on by a médiéval II modder it's amazing

[@szabolcskis9812]

I would really like a 30 years' war game.

[@jebreggie4225]

I think African history is comparatively less ripe for good total war factions compared to other continents, I mean yeah Egypt and the moors are good but they've already been explored in other games, Other than that what have you got? The Songhai I guess? I feel like most of the map would just be Tiny states and you would need to find a good period to set it in as well, Idk

[@deralteheide7298]

In my opinion Medieval 2 has the coolest because you have to send the diplomats around or they come to you, for me it makes more sense to me.

[@Rice_sama]

I think a massive plus to three kingdoms total war diplomacy that can't be understated is that the AI ACTUALLY uses diplomacy. They will make their own interesting deals without your involvement. They will make and break alliances, forge and sour relations, marry, trade, vassalize and even surprise you. It's the first total war game where I didn't feel like diplomacy was a static field where I was the only one trying to influence it.

[@meninothomass]

Wow, I wonder why Medieval 2 is not on this list... Edit: WHAT? Edit 2: Oh, ok.

[@joshyjosh3772]

In medieval 2 the ceasefire option is not working correctly, the ai sends a diplomat and agrees to a ceasefire then attacks you one turn later, then that happens again and again, even if the ai has only 1 settlement and it's under siege they might still refuse your vassalization. Alliances broke easily because every faction just goes in a war and then ceasefires the next turn so if its two of your allies you have to choose one, also even if you are the defending side in west europe if you do a small action of hostility against other christian faction you can still get excommunicated before them, that is just cancer.

[@meninothomass]

@@joshyjosh3772 I actually got used to the diplomacy system. You should never attack factions with a high reputation with Pope and never make alliances with factions that are contesting your territory because they will always betray you. I'm not saying the AI is good, after all: "ACCEPT OR WE WILL ATTACK!...give us 220 florins" and "ACCEPT OR WE WILL ATTACK!...please don't attack!"

[@terencetkteo]

You had me going for a moment there. I was like, "Medieval??" and I had to check the date you uploaded this...

[@martydi2519]

Ah, medieval 2 diplomacy. The one that that actually did not matter. All my allies so far either betrayed me or were too far away to betray me. Most of the options the AI never agreed to, which raises the question why was it there (shoutout to military access), peace was either yes or no, there were no negotiations, and sometimes AI refused peace when it was massively losing or accepted peace when it was massively winning. The only diplomacy that actually made sense to use was bribing the pope to not drop an excommunication bomb on you.

[@ishmaschmunzlebug4235]

hahahaha loved the split decision on #1 ;) keep up the top 5s legend such great content!

[@dodosback]

Love you Legend! I admire your will power and dedication to your channel. You deserve tons of more subscribers. I hope you post more TW 3K videos since I love that game and can't afford to buy it, so my only way of "playing" it is watching you play it. Hope you are happy and well!

[@m78991234]

the best medieval 2 diplomacy was when any enemy faction was down to its last settlement and their diplomat comes to you and demands you return all of his conquered settlements or he will attack. *sweating towel guy meme*

[@giott3]

There was an AI with an absolutely TERRIBLE reputation. I was able to get a few settlements off of him by ceasefiring. He immediately tried to siege them but failed lol.

[@SkottVFX]

Legend, in case an ally attacks another ally, you don't nessessarily become unreliable, you keep your standing IF you side with the defender.

[@handles4days69]

True, but sometimes the defender is way weaker than the attacker, so your basically carrying a weak nation, hence the difficult choice he talks about. In fact, most of the time for me it’s been a bigger aggressive ally attacking a weaker ally with less allies than the aggressive one.

[@SkottVFX]

@@handles4days69 I understand, but it's not a difficult choice. If they attack your ally, they undermine your authority. They give you no respect. Crush them!

[@SkottVFX]

@@handles4days69 I once destroyed an entire dwarven civilisation as the empire, 35 regions in the middle of a chaos invasion, because they attacked my boy mannfred. The war lasted for 170 turns

[@handles4days69]

Playing legendary difficulty on Shogun 2 I don’t want to be crushed by an overwhelming spam of army stacks, navy stacks, and agent stacks that the bigger ally always has 😂

[@handles4days69]

This also typically happens pre realm divide too and is a pain in the ass to manage

[@CentreSwift]

My favourite diplomacy is M2TW because I can just ignore it and crush people.

[@MsSirAndy]

So this is not real diplomacy, it's just about war. Total War is total war

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

@LordMIGtau awfully cumbersome, you must recruit diplomats then move them very slowly around the map, they can be assassinated and whatnot...

[@argeltal9090]

Started my first campaign in Shogun 2 as Chokosabe a week ago. I play on Hard, which is totally balanced for my skill, not too hard not too easy, but by turn 60 i got so frustated with the game because i fucked up diplomacy so badly, literally everyone around me declared war on me. No matter how many battles i win, they just keep coming and coming. Was funny hearing from Legend today that diplomacy in that game is very important and you will have trouble if you fucked it up because thats exactly what happened to me lol.

[@Hypertank]

Top 5 Total war Siege Battle Maps (city maps)

[@Nick-mp1zh]

There doesn’t seem to be an option to “offer to join war” in the 3K diplomacy. I’ve always started my wars by choosing someone to attack, finding their enemies, and seeing who would pay me the most to attack them.

[@ionescumarian6457]

TW Three kingdoms diplomacy might be comprehensive but it's still broken if you can buy half of china with rice 😂

[@zdogadnytsya]

pretty realistic

[@mackmasters325]

I mean famines in China have certainly been things and the person with enough power/money to control the food is going to rule.

[@Peatingtune]

Medieval II AI: Asks for a trade agreement, declares war two turns later. Trade agreement requests actually clue me in to war declarations and give me a turn or two to bring a force to the relevant border, and I appreciate the heads-up.

[@eternalgreed5953]

The diplomacy in three kingdoms is an exploit. You can buy with enough Rice per round each province of AI and then immediately terminate the contract what only brings a small punishment. Futhermore Rice will become more valuable of the defrauded group what means you can reapet it as much as you want.

[@Robin...222]

yes soon thers will be a fix for it.

[@noctilucent3089]

When two of your ally fighting with each other and you got no way to stop them from fighting, or your vassal attacking other vassal.

[@acdcdave1387]

Cracked me up with that lead into the number 1 spot.

[@jordinagel1184]

Let me just say how glad I am that Medieval 2 isn’t on this list. A classic it may be (and debatably the best in the franchise), but I think we can all agree that its diplomacy was absolutely horrendous, unreliable, and very opaque.

[@EduardoFerreira-gi7wo]

True, there's no point in having alliances there if the other faction is just going to betray you in the next turn

[@MSF_Soldier_Alligator]

Ah yes, Medieval 2 with its “Ceasefire”. That’s about the only reliable damn option in there.

[@EduardoFerreira-gi7wo]

Meh... Are you sure about this statement? Xd Like playing as England, Portugal always send that goddamn fleet with an army of only 3 units to siege out a castle that is actually not worth for then only to piss out the player, if you make a ceasefire they will surely come back in a couple of turns

[@Polored1066]

For me 3K is the best partly because of the reasons mentionned in the video, but mostly because of how compelling the diplomacy feels. It really feels like it matters, like the AI has a personality (you know you can trust Liu Biao or Yuan Shu, but don't ever deal with Yuan Shao), you can pay for temporary peace, mount people against eachother, and it all feels really impacting.

[@UlfTheWolf]

I hope the improvements of Three Kingdoms' diplomacy system will carry over to Warhammer 3

[@AfshinR.Laroudi]

Loved the Trolling..... Saw it coming a mile away..... Still Loved it!

[@dwmarch]

In Shogun 2, diplomacy isn't completely useless after Realm Divide. As Legend showed in a series already, you can cheese the diplomacy to teleport your enemies across the map at zero cost because they will always break the peace treaty right away. And although I use the term cheese, I do not disapprove of doing it this way when the game decides that every other clan is now your enemy no matter what and sends twenty stacks at you.

[@hetzerviii984]

Confederations in Warhammer ??? Free legendary lords, agents, armies, cities and artefacts

[@arionyedinak23]

Three Kingdoms is probably the best diplomacy, but there's still some really backwards events... I was playing as Zhang Yan and was in a coop game with Liu Bei. Game was down to myself and Liu Bei going to work on Gongsun Zan with only 2 other small players as well as Gong Du. Both myself and my friend had a trade agreement with Gong Du and his attitude towards us was 100+. Next turn, he declared war on both of us, for absolutely no reason. We weren't treacherous at all. During the first season of war, Gong Du's attitude was STILL happy towards us.

[@BamBamGT1]

Ah Rome 2, I had a sweet Bactria campaign going, all the former seluecied satrapies in one alliance and we were steamrolling the map. Then Friggin parthia declares war on my vassal. So I get the option to betray my vassal, or to break alliance with Parthia. Since an attack against my vassal, is an indirect attack against me, the obvious choice is to protect your vassal and end that alliance. They're the ones who backstab me obviously. Of course that's not how the game sees it, and all my allies now turn against me... Fun times.

[@albertoramos424]

I guess I'm the only one that miss the logic of having a chest piece called diplomat that I used to have to move to make a deal like in real life at those stages in life where diplomats more often than none get assassinated, this click on diplomacy and be able to make a deal without you being in their province takes away from the realism from the total war early stages which to me was fun...

[@darklordnoodlez9863]

When you said Medieval 2 Total War was the number one I literally said "that's sad"

[@marnix1240]

Top 5 mercenaries, one from each game

[@jektonoporkins5025]

The one thing I don’t like about three kingdoms is when I’m on a tear against another faction, particularly when I have a city or two under siege, and then the dominant power vassalizes whoever I’m at war with. Half the time I just declare war on them anyway and they then get “liberated” and it’s all good in the hood but god that is annoying. I don’t want to vassalize a strongish faction because they end up fucking you later on when all your armies are a thousand god damn miles away fighting another war.

[@tankistalol8707]

Top 5 doomstacks in different games!

[@chimedduvchin1216]

Mongols total war will be the biggest and most anticipated total war series for sure. Its campaign include shogun, rome, arabia, chinese, korea, even in europia

[@PatrickOMulligan]

As an occasional viewer I must say your vid quality has noticeably improved. Good jorb Legend.

[@Stirixx]

lmao you for real got me shocked with the last one

[@OttomanHistoryHub]

Worst Total War Diplomacy is definitely is Empire Total War. I remember playing as the Ottomans (w/ no mods) on the top difficulty and I remember Austria, France, Georgia, Persia, Spain, Poland, Venice and England all declaring war on me by turn 7. It's just sooo frustrating to see factions declaring war who are across the map declaring war on me for no reason at all. The challenge is fun, but it makes no sense at all.

[@InternetMameluq]

Jesus, that 3k diplomacy looks amazing. I hope it creeps into the newer games, at least a little.

[@DeadLikeMeJ]

@LegendofTotalWar I would expand that part of a good diplomacy system is : a) if the features impact game play - e.g. A.I. respects alliacnes , A.I. takes reliability seriously and so on. b) if the features are worth using - e.g. vassalage in previous TW games was almost useless, to gain them you would often need to almost obliterate a nation and at that point keeping them alive would be a hindrance , cause either they gonna take a part of a province you mostly own , or they will betray you in seconds , they barely worth cash and they didn't help. Three Kingdoms (and ToB a bit) thanks to a massive corruption system made it worth to keep vassals for their armies and income even at the expanse of land to avoid massive corruption and cause the A.I. moved his armies and helped. I would have loved a video featuring a bit more chat on the diplomatic options themselves and where they good or not. p.s. 3 K is missing the technology trade :) but I guess they are reforms and not technologies so ... you can't trade them ;)

[@robgames3810]

Totally agree that the diplomacy in the latest installment is massively improved!

[@bluerationality]

I think HE are also worth mentioning in WH2. If you make early and consistent investments you can pit allies against each other and manipulate factions. I made Malekith and Morathi go to war with each other as Teclis and it has been very profitable for me. Also 3K diplomacy is great but there are some exploits they should probably close out.

[@thomasg6297]

Top 5 Dwarf beards

[@gunthereinritterdesheilige8436]

the same result as top 5 total war beards

[@Chtigga]

Am I the only one who knew from the get go that the Medieval 2 moment was a joke before he even switched to Three Kingdoms ?

[@mucoemre3305]

I remember, in Empire Austria offered me their Capital in exchange for a shit hole at the other end of the world

[@surgentgrimberg1613]

Not gonna lie I was totally gonna go yes I agree. I am very bias when it comes to total war med 2

[@crackage12567]

Really disagree with Shogun 2 I think the mechanics like realm divide absolutely break the game. It's bottom of my list. Another thing about Empire and Napoleon is that if a nation wants a state they will ask for it first and try to offer something before initiating war.

[@Flow161]

I agree with you about shogun 2, what would your list be? I'm thinking about getting Rome 2/Attila but scared for the dysfunctional diplomacy

[@jlt6673]

Total War 3k's diplo is surprisingly amazing. It does have a few things which I hope they will fix (and based on developer comments, I'm 90% sure they will). The vassalizing system is kind of ridiculous, and often puts the player in an awkward place if you have to choose between defending a vassal and breaking a non-aggression pact. This boils down to what you said about total war warhammer 2: IN some total war games you are left with two bad choices where you accrue bad boy points either way. Total War 3k is the same in this regard, which is something they need to fix. There are similar issues with coalitions and non-aggression pacts.

[@dotcom3987]

You probably know by now, bu they have fixed it. Now your vassals will respectfully ask permission before declaring a war, wich you can denny withoout breaking any treatties. Its pretty good.

[@hunderes1313]

haha and the number one spot goes to total war medieval 2

[@Cynane27]

Medieval 2 is number 1 for most fun for me. Nation declares war on me and after one defeat; they want peace and I can ask 12000 florins for :)

[@joaquindescarrega9089]

Cries in medieval

[@JoshForFun]

Legend, would love to know top 5 random traits in total war warhammer 2, for example i just recently know that if your general is idle on a settlement with good public order for many many turns, which i did in my campaign to safeguard a faraway border, you will get a lazy trait which can be worse as it progresses if the aforementioned general keeps idling there. There are also a bunch of other cool things, orcbane, undead bane etc etc, unlucky, lucky and many more i dont even encounter ever

[@Metaldude1945]

The diplomacy in Three Kingdoms is such a leap forward. It was like when there was The Sims, and then the Sims 2 came. Loads of new features were added, to the point of it being almost overwhelming. The Chinese setting doesn't speak to me as much, but I can certainly appreciate the progress campaignwise. However, it doesn't look like the battles have improved that much though. I'm not sure I'm a fan either of the way the general systems work either.

[@Hypertank]

Best diplomacy in DLC campaigns (I really liked the diplomacy in Wrath of Sparta, for example)

[@SpaceMeister790]

No one: Not a soul: Rome shell: force_diplomacy accept Gaul refusing to give up everything besides Alesia: That’s not very cash money of you.

[@Damian-ew1vl]

Haven't watched yet but I'm pretty sure 3K is #1

[@andreassewell7413]

Top 5 Total War with Well thought-out population mechanics

[@utkuburak9969]

They had us in the last part, I'm not gonna lie

[@michanycz7166]

Huge thumbs up for the thumbnail.

[@herewegoagain1140]

In Medieval 2 my goal is to have vassals as many it's possible

[@Davion197]

Top Total War from all my previous sections of Top Total Wars.

[@cable.3538]

I mean... my experience by playing Warrior of Chaos in Warhammer 2 is... well they dont do shit, recruit Marauders only army and stay in their capital. They dont even capture the ruins next to their own city!? Also when they are finally active their leader only has marauders. Get killed by Wulfrik and I have now a new enemy.

[@acheron16]

I just wish the AI followed the same rules as us. "Oh I just broke a NAP? Sucks. Anyway, fuck you." There are some Total War games where it is YOU who actually takes the diplomatic penalty for others breaking agreements with you.

[@antoniomoyano1694]

Theres is not a better diplomacy than Milan diplomacy.

[@Picassoturtlenumba5]

Top 5 Top 5 lists for total War.

[@tomraider5676]

I knew there's gonna be a joke at #1, also no trading technologies in 3k.

[@sagk6514]

Awesome vid, Very accurate analysis

[@gunnerr8476]

Empire Total War be like: Hey human player, you wanna trade some regions for some shitty technology??

[@Holsp]

Yeah but like with everything SG2 AI can be CHEESED, my MP friend started a war with oda and oda as the AI does instantly sends me a peace offer and is willing to give me 10K for pace, sometimes the trades are OP too as some people are willing to give you like 3, 5 or even 10K for trade deal. Its sometimes so bad

[@jonniheinisto9825]

While i absolutely love the improvements on diplomacy in 3k, there are some serious illogicalities. Well, three at least: 1. What you mentioned about Warhammer (have not played myself), it does not seem to apply to 3k; if you have a non-agression pact with someone and they attack your vassal, your trust rating goes down either way. Dumb. 2. Ultimatums make your trust rating go down. Why? Is it not worse to declare an actual war rather than threaten and give them the option to not be at war, if they pay the price? At max it should make you be seen as aggressive, and at max as much as going to war would but if anything else, then less aggressive and definately not untrustworthy. If attacking people does not make people distrust you, why does bullying? Dumb. 3. The way that the AI derivates its diplomacy points is illogical. If you promise to give them money or food or regular payments, they always appreciate the initial smallest offering more than the increments. Now, that would be logical to a point, because after a certain amount of money you need even more to convince you even more yada yada, but they do it in an abysmal way. How they do it is that the AI appreciates the very first of any three (immediate payments, regular payments or food) at its lowest denomination much more than the latter, but with payments and regular payments they suddenly stop increasing in points. They do, however, appreciate one or the other after the other has worn out its diplomatic impact and example; you offer them a gazillion gold, but they stop caring even if you double or triple the amount, all of a sudden an endless amount does not matter. BUT, then you promise to also give them regular payments, and suddenly their appreciation of the entire deal grows from their point of view. So basically, the AI will much prefer to take 10k instantly and then 20k in 10 turns in addition rather than 50k immediately, eventhough it should never prefer the same amount of money later rather than immediately, but why oh why on earth would they want to settle for much less money just because they dont like the idea of getting more but only immediately? And why do they suddenly not care _at all_ if i increase my offering to, say, 5-fold? Why is getting 10k a big deal, but 50 or 100k does not even do a slight lubrication? And why is the first 50 so much more important than the 50 after that, while the bigger deal multiplied means nothing? And why do they care again if i make an another deal after that (buy some land, then buy more land on the next deal, cause every new deal is one where they care about the initial amount....) and then i either can get some stuff really cheaply, but some not at all, cause the AI does not want more? Super fucking dumb. Also, where are the loans? Has anyone ever managed to get a loan or make a loan that makes any sense? Making loans is, if i recall, something like "ok if you pay me more than you loan in 1 turn and then multiply that by 10 (or is it 11, actually?) turns, il give you the money". They said you would be able to do loans, but......they serve absolutely no function within the game. I was hoping to incite proxy wars and lend money to desperate factions, but i guess no...... Still i love the game and i love the diplomacy, which is finally starting to look like something.

[@sebastianlarsson2566]

Love u man, keep up the great work

[@mikeseabrooks7978]

Three Kingdoms: Cao Cao: Declares War Me: Makes Peace Next turn Cao Cao: Declares war again Me: peace again Cao Cao: Declares War me: really.

[@Alexander-pf4ne]

I did like the changing faction Personalities in Total War Attila. Instead of a factions personality remaining exactly the same they changed at the appointment of a new leader. I think it falls down a lot because of the massive imperium penalties that are given and it is unclear just like Rome 2 with its reliability no sure way of know how much it effects a deal.

[@mister00z84]

Napoleon music just... just amazing

[@MsSirAndy]

Do a top 5 worst diplomacy total war list.... the worst is shogun 1 along with Rome 1... Medieval 2 sucks too in terms of diplomacy

[@699CHIP]

Arthas DeathKnight You don’t need diplomacy when you can beat most of the game with just hastati

[@MsSirAndy]

@@699CHIP Hastati sucks bad on VH battle mode...

[@IosifStalinsendsyoutoGulag]

I think Rome 2 has worse diplomacy than Medieval 2

[@699CHIP]

Arthas DeathKnight whats vh mode?

[@exantiuse497]

@@699CHIP Very hard

[@sigmarsson3180]

You got me with medieval 2

[@fbi6555]

Atta boy legend, good stuff.

[@mackmasters325]

Having to have an actual diplomat in the right spot in RTW and Medieval II fucking sucks.

[@jandie8942]

Love your work man

[@ivegotajousyaccent99]

Next should be Top 5 Three Kingdoms lords

[@ShahjahanMasood]

We need a meme total war sub reddit ASAP!

[@iamplay797]

i agree the quick deal its a huge quality of life improvement i wasted so much time in prior total war going down the list and checking diplomacy on all.of them i love this feature

[@iamplay797]

@@ashmonkey2572 yuk that game is so outdated it makes me feel old )

[@Osvath97]

Shogun 2: Everyone wants to kill you, if not today, then tomorrow. But at least they want to kill you predictably. Honestly Realm Divide is not that fun. It would be better if it was an actual realm DIVIDE, sort of like what happened at the end of the real Sengoku Jidai. You have your coalition and the enemy has theirs. Sort of like in Fall of the Samurai, come to think of it.

[@SinsGamingChannel]

3k does have the best diplomacy, on paper, but it is broken beyond belief currently.

[@kokodoko8036]

What, you telling me you don't love yuan Shao vassalizing everyone or peacing out a faction whose armies you just annihilated because some guy at the edge of the map vassalized him?

[@Adierit]

I love the derpiness of 3k's diplomacy, not gonna lie. Buying half of China with bowls of rice is hilarious.

[@SinsGamingChannel]

@@kokodoko8036 I am playing the Beta of version 1.1.0 as Dong Shuo and Yuan Shao I can handle, he is quite "castrated" now, BUT everybody hates me and keeps declaring war either on me or on Han, no matter if I am much stronger, have trade with them, NonAg. or other agreements, if we just made peace etc. In every game, sooner or later, but rather sooner, I have a conga line of enemy stacks coming up the Yellow River through Luoyang and then to my Capital. I can be nice or evil, it doesn't matter. Last Game I "pacified" Han Sui, let him 1 territory, a farmland, so no income... and let him 1 Army, with 1 General and no troops.... 2 or 3 turns later he declares war again... he is not in any coalition or anything, mind you, just for the sake of it I guess...

[@kokodoko8036]

@@SinsGamingChannel Yeah, similar thing happened to me in my Dong Zhuo campaign. I got my trustworthiness rating up to normal rebels, everyone is at peace with me and I can safely expand now. Except I can't, because despite non aggression pacts, they still attack the Han and I have to protect them, which is pretty annoying.

[@SinsGamingChannel]

@@kokodoko8036 Yeah, it's like a loophole for the AI... "Oh no my dear Lord, I am not declaring war on YOU, just on that nuisance of a puppet emperor...; Yeah, but he is my VASSAL, so you declare war on him is the SAME as declaring war on ME, you fool!", "But oh no my lord, you are mistaken"... what? "press acknowledges" ... They need to fix Diplomacy, so that you cannot declare War on a vassal, but only on the Master.

[@hansoldman8718]

i almost bought the bait for MW2

[@doomerboomer9402]

I recall the day i said fuck diplomacy on Total War: i was 14, Rome Total War,Julii Campaign, i say:"uh llets just not fight the barbarians and push to greece to block the Brutii expansion. i make trade deal with Celt, so he happy. Next turn: 2 full size Armies in Mediolanum XD