Top osu! Player Caught CHEATING

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[@Abyssoft]

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[@LavaCreeperPeople]

Ok

[@zdelrod829]

I hope it's part 2 of the Mario Kart Wii Time Trials cheating. I've been waiting for 4 months at this point.

[@Abyssoft]

@@zdelrod829 That video already released, it was the biggest mystery in Mario Kart vid

[@jamespayne8252]

​@Abyssoft You have to keep going with the "ABYSSOFT Z"!!!! It's the line I always hope for while watching to the end. Me at beginning: "Is Aby going to say it? 🤔🤔🤔" Me at end: "HE SAID IT!!!!😝🫡😁" Thank you for your hard work and keep making them and I'll keep watching 😁

[@zdelrod829]

@@Abyssoft I must have missed the upload lol. Sorry about that.

[@lemoncitrine7023]

Protip: If you're a part of a community where a large member is being accused of cheating, download all of their videos for when the inevitable dirty delete happens. The people who analyze uploads will thank you

[@Puerco-Potter]

Do that, then black mail them = profit.

[@notrealsaga]

Nah i will sell it to them

[@andylymbo]

@@Puerco-Potter "Are you asking if you can blackmail me, Greg?" -Succession

[@teeonezee]

... then you have audience members/ fans like this who just want to dox everyone they see

[@mz7315]

@@Puerco-Potter There are ways to make $100 that don't involve federal crimes. (blackmail)

[@JeanKP14]

I feel so bad for the dude who showed him the cheat... he was doing it just as a "hey look at this neat little thing I found" and had no idea what he would go on to do

[@Meloons]

he definitely knew it was a cheat because if he didn't he would be telling everyone about it and how it made it easier to play for him

[@Loomosu]

@@Meloons he is not talking about the cheater cloutiful, this is about plasma his friend who is also a top player who showed him the method dks of cheating

[@Meloons]

@@Loomosu ah I see, mb ty

[@-YELDAH]

also interesting to think how, had he not seen this, he might not have cheated this happens surprisingly often, just like gambling addictions, it's unfortunate that these people are given such powerful opportunities to ruin their lives

[@restoreleader]

One does not expect his friend to be.. little shit - it would definitely surprise me

[@Stwinky]

Cloutiful couldn’t snipe multiple of Accolibed and Aetrna’s speed scores even when cheating. That’s how insane some of these speed players are

[@displayer6023]

Just goes to show how bad Cloutiful was without cheats

[@frawog]

@@displayer6023 he was still like top 10-15 material with his aim tbh

[@ddd-op5wy]

@@displayer6023 mate I swear non-osu players need to stfu

[@Sparklelation]

​@@displayer6023he is really good without cheats, easily top 20 player material but sadly he got a little bit too greedy

[@Stwinky]

@@displayer6023 unfortunately the video didn’t really make this super clear, but cloutiful was really good. He has especially good aim, just not as good tapping, hence the cheats. I think it more goes to show how crazy fast top speed players are

[@berndl_3925]

osu! on this channel was definitely not on my bingo card

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

Yes

[@Tinil0]

Why? It's extremely popular among turbonerd weeaboos, which also overlap heavily with the speed running community. Plus with all the people cheating at Osu it makes sense.

[@berndl_3925]

@@Tinil0 just didnt expect my interests to cross like this lol

[@chickenman-kf5qs]

​@@berndl_3925I have a damn feeling you will be the most-liked comment and reach as the top comment, I just know it.

[@rface0]

cheaters exist anywhere there's a community built around challenges

[@NiceAesth]

The reason he got away for so long is because he was NOT known for speed, he was and is a very good aim player but he got hardcapped at speed and got frustrated he could no longer gain ranks once he got top 50, therefore he started using DKS

[@nekiak]

he was rank 200 when he started cheating

[@ckbev]

its like when barry bonds started taking steroids

[@iamapokerface8992]

cringe

[@kerkertrandov459]

Hello does anyone know what software is that in the video? Is the keyboard steelseries or corsair or razor? I don't recognize this software

[@DixeyDo]

@@kerkertrandov459 Wooting

[@qalnor]

wow the climax of this is really tough to hear, I can't even imagine how plasma felt

[@Vergil3489]

Probably doesn't feel bad at all, as he shouldn't. You need to be pretty good at the game already to be able to cheat with something like this, Plasma who is also a top player probably didn't think anything of it because he knew his friend already had a high rank and wasn't stupid to cheat like this and get banned eventually

[@qalnor]

@@Vergil3489 I definitely don't think he *should* feel bad but I know in his place I would.

[@Skibb-kn6lj]

@@qalnor all the top players cheat anyway, even cheating he wasn't the top player...how do you think that really works?

[@Kireixe]

@@Skibb-kn6lj What are you talking about?? every top player that stands out or has been accused of cheating has done a liveplay. The #1 player has broken SO many boundaries consistently and nobody even questions him because of his liveplay and LAN appearances. Js bc you cant comprehend their skill doesn't mean their cheating lil bro

[@DOGEELLL]

​@@Skibb-kn6ljthis isnt league of legznd fortnite or valorant buddy these guys are really skilled instead of spam broken meta bullsh 24 7

[@ReSunDestin]

My man just sniped Karl Jobst lmao

[@fosterdawson7339]

i actually thought this was Karl when i clicked on the video XD

[@ngcf4238]

?

[@vamp97]

At least Abyssoft doesn’t promote Notch

[@thuti4022]

​@@vamp97 Karl has mouths to feed, as we all do

[@arianghorbani1305]

@@vamp97i think karl’s particular financial situation without Notch’s intervention leads me to forgive him in this case lmao

[@Floatyoat]

seeing regular channels cover this drama is so wild

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

Lol

[@braedenhaynes6935]

Wdym by regular?

[@procalc5]

@@braedenhaynes6935 non osu based channels

[@vp7219]

I mean he’s the highest ranked player to get banned since shige (pretty sure). Definitely an interesting case and osu is quite popular nowadays.

[@MiquelVZLA]

@@braedenhaynes6935 non osu channels probably, just big ones that cover general cheating scandals all over gaming

[@Leaf__22]

3:10 that's some insane reading my guy

[@talentlesscommenter1329]

The next Mrekk fr

[@SanzuRiver]

Next goat

[@potatoplayer6475]

SHUT UP AND LET BRO COOK!!!!

[@escape209]

Idk what this means

[@talentlesscommenter1329]

@@escape209 reading is the ability to figure out the correct order to hit the notes

[@TYsdrawkcaB]

this is terrifyingly similar to spaceuk; very good player is discovered to have been cheating. people thought that "if they were cheating they would've been caught earlier", and that "there's no reason to check because they're obviously fine." player is then discovered to have been using a method that was previously assumed to be debunked. player is discovered via analysis of input windows on the order of a few milliseconds. did the osu! community not learn from our failure? possibly. let us hope once again that this does not repeat.

[@gamoxu]

It's kind of difficult since in this case the cheating is completely understandable unless you're using this hit timing window checker which nobody has ever actually used before. It also is harder to tell since in his gameplay everything is 100% normal since he's actually making every input himself it's just the way he makes the inputs is different because of how he modified the keyboard

[@UmCaraNormalnumPlanetanormal]

@@gamoxu His gameplay itself didnt look too sus but the liveplay ABSOLUTELY did, he was clearly doubletapping and getting insanely good UR on high OD streams which is absurdly suspicious

[@iihsm]

professional zbot user

[@deviantsemicolon618]

"If something is easy to check, no one actually does." - HBomberGuy

[@SynoPTL]

Active cheaters in the top 100? You really think they would let that pass?

[@yrmuq]

Top 3 lol

[@reknostarfox4690]

I see you have illegally high expectations.

[@yurushi55]

@@reknostarfox4690This is a classic phrase stated peppy, by the creator of the game. A couple hours after he said that active cheaters in the top 100 were exposed

[@junjun8855]

​@@reknostarfox4690brother do you play the game

[@FFKonoko]

Well no. And they didn't. That's why we know he cheated. 😂

[@goinkosu]

I think timewarp was in use long before 2017 tbh. By 2017 it was already standard to have an external timer off the screen to show that a liveplay video was not sped up

[@stllr_]

vouch, cookiezi's plays to get himself banned in 2013 were timewarped. idk how well known it was before then, but the whole community knew about timewarp afterwards

[@MappingRobloxAnimations]

Timewarp trigger geometry dash

[@NatiiixLP]

@@stllr_ It was definitely known before then, just no to the average osu! player. Time-warping is an extremely common cheating method in older games. Back around 2010, many people used Cheat Engine exclusively for this purpose because it was super easy to use. For osu!, there was a more sophisticated system, but it was obviously known at the time of the Masterpiece incident to the people involved in helping C get banned.

[@pomurain]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂​@@MappingRobloxAnimations😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@UmCaraNormalnumPlanetanormal]

The liveplay was the absolute nail in the coffin for him, Plasma was such a gigachad for not telling him his tapping technique looked atrociously sus and unlike literally every other speed player in the world

[@kerkertrandov459]

i mean it's such a stupid thing anyway, u don't need any precision to play osu, u just mash 2 keys one after the other as fast as u quickly can until u move to the next group, that takes no skill, just having the right length of fingers and bone structure. i've never played osu, but the guy in the video said the cheater was a really good player who had great aim, so he was tactical and methodical, but he couldn't keep up with the speed all because he wasn't born with the right length and size fingers, it is so stupid to lose because of something you can't control. like if you're born a dwarf, why shouldn't you be allowed to play in the NBA and use a "cheated" basketball that is lower height, but means it equalizes you to the others who were born with better genetics? if the best osu player is decided by who's born with the best fingers and can mash two buttons the fastest, with no option to use 3rd party software to equalize the disparity, then i'm glad i never played this game anyway.

[@UmCaraNormalnumPlanetanormal]

@@kerkertrandov459 Brother what in the fuck are you talking about? Its really not that deep, when it comes to osu theres no proof that genetics changes anything in your gameplay (unless you have an actual disability of some sort), not only that but cloutiful could've simply chosen to get EVEN BETTER at aim rather than to CHEAT speed, the #1 player, mrekk isnt even the player with the best speed in the world and yet he's still #1 because he has insane aim

[@IcyAmbers]

@@kerkertrandov459this might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read… wow

[@kerkertrandov459]

@@IcyAmbers hand speed is decided by genetics, this is not an opinion it's a fact. If u're born with a slower reaction time, longer fingers and bad bone structure, u're never gonna be as fast as a guy with a fast reaction time, short fingers and good bone structure. Thus u're at the mercy of ur genes. Just like a person born as a dwarf would never be a NBA player. It is not fair for the "cheater" in the video that he can't keep up with others' speed due to things outside of his control, such as genetics. So he used the software tool to equalize the difference. It's all fair game. The people who call him cheater are just ignorant crybabies who cannot stand losing to someone when the playing field becomes equalized.

[@IcyAmbers]

@@kerkertrandov459 this has to be bait LMAO

[@Schmaglow]

Slight correction, combo is acquired by performing any rated hit. Not just perfect hits. Greats and Oks will still add to your combo count. Osu! is a great game. Probably one of my favorite riddim games of all time! Love the work you do Abyssoft! 😁

[@laytonjr6601]

I don't play Osu! but I still noticed that (usually in rhythm games anything that is not a miss adds to your combo)

[@JustMastermind]

Also the overall pp score is calculated by all plays, not just the top 100 plays one has set.

[@troublemonkey1_626]

​@@JustMastermindit used to be like that, but now it's just top 1000 plays due to storage size

[@maskettaman1488]

How does this, in any away, change anything in the video or what the video is about?

[@MiquelVZLA]

@@maskettaman1488 thats why its a slight correction, its something small that doesnt really affect all the other points shown in the video

[@Pipboy3000]

I love how niche communities can get _so_ invested in their hobbies. The lengths these guys go to in order to prove cheating is crazy (In a good way)

[@MasterAnimit]

Let's say that osu!staff is ingamous for slipping obvious cheater cases for months, ghosting players banned falsely and inconsistly using their own rules on judging. As a result a community learned, that the best way of dealing with cheaters are actions like that. That's not even about a quality (it just comes meanwhile): it's about a ruckuss and forcing them to do a right action.

[@ShadowriverUB]

Its very competetive and devs focus things around it, like fir your map to be ranked you need to go thru the process, lot of pro lingo is incorporayed in to the game it self, so yes.

[@Illustrious_0307]

Let's don't forget that he's also very toxic towards other top players. During the SM64 Slider song drama, he talked shit to Umbre (former top 50 german player) because he disagreed with Umbre's opinion, making a hateful thread in between them. Ever since then, I started hating cloutiful until the cheating scandal happened.

[@least.insane.femboy]

yeah, he's also extremely anti-semetic

[@coolbrotherf127]

​@@least.insane.femboyWell he is from a Muslim nation so that's no surprise

[@aeyriowo]

let's also not forget that he is 14 years old doesn't make any hateful thing he did any better of course! but keep it humane c:

[@purplegill10]

@@aeyriowo I feel like this is _really_ important information that should've been mentioned in the video.

[@user-oz3li6bk3x]

@@purplegill10 im 14 rn imma just use this time wisely and be racist lol atleast i can still play it off as me being young

[@FullAltOsu]

one thing to mention, cloutiful's aim scores are all legit which is a good reason why no one probably cared to be suspicious of him. it's hard to explain, but you normally wouldn't ever think that a good aim player would possibly bother cheating for speed

[@JonathanScarlet]

Where did they show this was legit, out of curiosity? Was it all in the document, or?

[@Asr.-]

​@@JonathanScarletits not in a document or anything. Its just that his aim has nothing unnatural going on, unlike his tapping

[@hmuy0608]

​@@Asr.-and the incriminating note hold times doesn't show up in his aim plays

[@adamusprime403]

4:44 ik it's not a legitimate stance, but I have a really bad sleep disorder I can't predict, and I have some intense mental health and neurological issues, so I sometimes make last minute cancellations, NO MATTER the circumstances. So I just am not a big fan of the logic that "proving your not a cheater, is a bigger priority than physical health."

[@chococya]

yeah i agree that kinda rubbed me the wrong way it wouldn't have hurt to let cloutiful sleep and then upload the liveplay in the morning it would've gotten him caught anyway sleep is more important than "disproving" cheating allegations

[@adamusprime403]

@@chococya exactly, sometimes people treat a game more important than ones health, and it's really concerning. I'm all for getting cheaters removed, but they're still people who need to take care of their health. Also this just isn't a mindset we should perpetuate, because it could ruin an innocent person's life, because they either A. Were deemed a cheater simply for prioritizing their physical health, and no longer can enjoy that hobby/potential profession. Or B. They sacrifice their physical health, and prove themselves innocent, but have an incident from the sleep deprivation. We need to remind ourselves WHY we care about cheating, it shouldn't be treated like a spectacle or entertainment, it should be about preserving the spirit of the competition.

[@TurtleKwitty]

@@adamusprime403 C. They're not cheating but deemed one anyways becasue they perform so badly when put on the spot at the wrong time. Usually pretty good at mario kart, but thanks to hand issues about 75% of the timeI physically cant handle a controller/button presses; thankfully only play casual so would never get called a cheater and have to prove it, but 75% of the time I physically couldnt if put on the spot vs picking my time *shrug*

[@jamesruth100]

@@adamusprime403 Also, like, let's run through a thought experiment and pretend, for a second, that he went through all this and _wasn't_ a cheater: why _wouldn't_ a person want to be in peak performance before they do a liveplay to prove their legitimacy? Like, their reputation literally hangs in the balance. If he was legit, but being sleepy caused him to play worse, that might mislead judges into thinking he's someone faking runs outside of his skill level. Does an innocent person deserve to be branded a cheater because of something they can't control? No, they shouldn't. The only reason people are harping on cloutiful choosing to get rest is because we _now_ have the hindsight to know-beyond any doubt-that he _was_ cheating, and that's hypocritical. In my mind, it's better that everyone-whether they're legitimate or cheating-perform at the top of their game for things like this, that way you're minimizing outside factors that could mislead people.

[@maskettaman1488]

It's incredibly suspicious to delay proving your innocence just because you want grab an extra hour of sleep lol. You wouldn't sleep through a court hearing

[@novelezra]

Plasma after finding out his apprentice cheated using the tools he'd shown him "You were meant to he the chosen one!"

[@Rezeee]

Unironically cloutiful being exposed has provided more exposure for osu! than expected, even Karl Jobst has plans on making a video about this situation too lol, thank you cloutiful for cheating otherwise this would have never happened.

[@panthekirb7561]

he the goat

[@SnackPatrol]

Never heard of this game, or this channel- props are definitely due to this creator for making a super technical video of a game I have literally 0% background on interesting and digestible enough to hold people's interest.

[@faa-]

0:44 running for 42 hours???

[@epicool6527]

osu420 type gameplay

[@erich_ika]

"Never played"

[@Official_SteamPUNKS]

you gotta get the shot authentic for the video

[@descuddlebat]

There's no way I could get #3 with this, guess it's another case of a good player wanting a little too much

[@czechvirusS]

somewhat. but then you gotta understand he wouldn't be top 3 without it. since he'd be loosing all those score streaks. but yes. he still looks like a good player. fast and precise movement good tempo.. just made one part easier. it looks like the kind of part that's the hardest to keep a streak through

[@felipecorrales7826]

Just for clarification, Cloutful was a top 50 osu! player, he was one of the best in his given skillset and was a rapidly improving player before he started cheating. He was already a recognizable name within the osu! community, and even without cheats, he could be in the top 30, maybe even in the top 20.

[@peachypet808]

"Pros don't cheat to get a faster time, they cheat to get a time faster" might not apply word for word here but it applies

[@czechvirusS]

@@peachypet808 it does apply here. get higher score faster. else they need to grind out the song a lot more to get the rythm and muscle memory

[@51msY]

Cloutiful was a top 100 aim player for a decent amount of time before he started using DKS

[@hallowedrequiem8300]

It's no wonder he went by the name cloutiful. He desired it too much and it was his own downfall.

[@Jirafian]

This is like Doggie and SpaceUK, I'm a geometry dash player and I've never really touched osu but damn its still tough seeing that people in this community have experienced something similar, I know how it feels.

[@lxchris5252]

8:55 his pinkie is broken. Ouch

[@Fafr]

He'd be welcome at the Emacs communities

[@penfold-55]

As a statistics nerd, both of these shows a normal distribution (which, by the way, doesn't look like the curves you drew on the chart). The key differences are the spread of data or the standard deviation. You would expect the data to show a wider range in a legitimate setting

[@whenisdinner2137]

I see you passed a college statistics class as well

[@philbon_]

Yeah it bugged me. The worst is that the red follows more closely a normal than the blue 5:10 (because of how he cheated). And also the "spike" is arbitrary, since you could choose another scale for the x axis. 1ms makes sense, but if you chose ~0,3ms it would look more like a bell.

[@JonathanScarlet]

@@philbon_ But it'd still show a huge clump right around the 63ms mark and almost nowhere else, even if it was expanded to include all data points and not just zoomed in around the 63ms point. And that still wouldn't counter the point that a normal non-cheating player wouldn't have that particular clump around one particular number. It may still coincidentally be the most frequent, but it would be more spread out. ~.3ms might show a bell curve, but an extremely left-shifted bell curve in the context of all the other data would still be suspicious, wouldn't it? (although, unless I'm misremembering, the data was indicating it was some very specific 63ms value, whether 63ms flat or something like 63.4 ms, that was far more prevalent than any others. If that's the case, then I don't think a lower scale on the x-axis would change that much and would make the spire even more egregious.)

[@iamapokerface8992]

you don't even know what a nerd is right "statistic nerds" CRINGE

[@5omebody]

@@JonathanScarlet well yeah, the issue is that a standard deviation is _too_ consistent. like, inhuman levels of consistent

[@viheart]

I find it a little funny that the ban is like a prison sentence, and he can get out on good behavior

[@jym2r]

its still at the very least a couple years he has to wait before he can appeal. thats enough time to change a person if they're willing to change

[@epiphanyosu]

@@jym2r you can appeal after 3-6 months (depending on the severity of your cheating), NOT a few years lol

[@_c2]

@@epiphanyosuthey changed it so it is 6 months for cheating cases exclusively now, 3 months was practically a light sentence.

[@Waspeil]

I was certainly not expecting an osu video but certainly much appreciated

[@DavidWonn]

The title initially had me thinking there was another college football scandal.

[@RedYoshi-f2i]

bro is the spaceuk of osu! 💀

[@alienplatypus7712]

Ok using illegal advantageous keyboard settings to go from top 50 to top 3 is one thing, one really bad thing. But spaceuk was literally completely faking literally every clear past his first and got to nearly undisputed number 1 for multiple years with it. Cloutiful barely even comes close to spaceuk.

[@whenisdinner2137]

Except he still never gotta number 1 😂😂😂

[@ventikoi]

​​@@alienplatypus7712 they're both top players who's legitimately skilled at the game who have later on been pushed to playing a facade of using cheats and hiding it for quite a while just so they could push themselves at a rank/skill range higher than they would've been. it's a pretty fair comparison imo

[@se1s492]

i was expecting this fucking comment

[@Wither_AnimationsTCO]

i was bouta say this 😭

[@shaemingaming5615]

Something that also should be mentioned is that in a livestream after all of this he admitted to using three keys instead of two. Two of the keys were normal so he could play maps without lots of streams normally, but the other key was set to DKS.

[@_JKings_]

no way it's just negative edge

[@yuribacon]

It really is just negative edge, damn

[@1mplies]

for someone who hasn't dedicated a lot of time into osu you make an impressively competent video

[@IndexofPunch]

Me: Sees another music based game top player turn out to be a cheater Also me: not again

[@LongDeadArtist]

GD?

[@Fafr]

Another SpaceUK

[@aclonymous]

schmooey, iannnv, conjae, ornej, fogsaturate, chandler, a few others I'm forgetting

[@lingricen8077]

Everyone: Why did this virgin type ‘Me:’ in his own comment? twice?

[@IndexofPunch]

Yep

[@LOLzum101]

only a non osu player would say cloutiful was on his way to the number 1 spot. even with cheating mrekk is untouchable lmao

[@SixDigitOsu]

um snow gooner 2k

[@LOLzum101]

@@SixDigitOsu good 6 digit reply

[@SixDigitOsu]

@@LOLzum101 um actually it's six digit OSU because I am not 6 digit the name is a reference to the 6 digits on osu

[@LOLzum101]

@@SixDigitOsu I have no idea what you're talking about but cool bro same here

[@SixDigitOsu]

@@LOLzum101 no its not the same for you you're literally not me because the only me is me

[@Skittle0Skill]

Osu is the last game I expected Aby to make a vid about but im all for it!

[@hi_am_disturbia]

I don't think I ever thought of seeing you talking about osu! at all. I usually followed your content for the speedrunning content, but that's pretty nice to see. Thank you for covering it!

[@aymbaut9361]

3:17 "play" might be an overstatement buddy

[@SmolYui]

gaming chairs are so good now

[@lylemcdermott2566]

Clara's chair is the best one.

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

L pfp

[@SmolYui]

thank you

[@pastelroswell]

Best pfp /genuine

[@rraaiin]

cool pfp

[@RavFromYetti]

I got put into restricted mode for 4-5 years cuz I used Z/X to hold and spin my mouse to put less presure on my mouse when doing spinners. Then after some years I got email saying "We are sorry for this but we have put you restricted my mistake." This shows how getting restricted mode/banned is mostly a personal thing between players and staff is full of favouritism.

[@ZerionOG]

i downloaded osu like a month ago and was instantly restricted and im still am, idk the reason and i sent 2 messages about it. Im feel sorry for you being restricted for years.. Osu restriction is really shitty thing

[@nockcone]

The way that plasma caught him... That's how they caught the Unabomber

[@ReSunDestin]

Just finished watching and tbh, since I've been playing osu for a long time, everything made sense to me, but I'm not sure someone watching this that has no idea about the game would really understand what's going on, but it would take such a long video to really explain everything thoroughly so I guess it's about as good as it can get

[@SubvitalsTerror]

I think the reason why there are rarely other channels outside this somewhat tight knitted community talking about osu is just that the game is way too harsh on new players so very few endure the climb out of the low star rating hole

[@SanzuRiver]

@@SubvitalsTerror That's just rhythm games as a whole. They weren't very popular to appeal to a vast audience. Just niche people who happen to have the mettle to stick to grinding difficult tasks.

[@cyrilhe1592]

​@@SanzuRiverAt the peak of guitar hero it was pretty popular but I guess apart from this yeah

[@abstract7272]

This and the weirdos allegations

[@SanzuRiver]

@@cyrilhe1592 the biggest factor about Guitar Hero was the marketing/vision it was trying to sell to its players. A bit of a gimmick if you ask me.

[@SanzuRiver]

@@abstract7272 but you'll find weirdos in every community tho

[@RoyalFusilier]

Showing him casually how to do that thing was basically like taking Walter White along to observe a drug bust personally.

[@danolantern6030]

SpaceUK 2: Oh fucks sake we’re doing this again aren’t we

[@haddib]

God I love watching drama in communities I know nothing about!

[@Leyuhm]

Love to see an Osu upload but also sad to see someone who could genuinely play ruin any chance they have with enjoying the game and it's community.

[@NatiiixLP]

Recording the computer boot is absolutely meaningless. It would be extremely trivial to have any program run on startup without any visual manifestation, and in a way that would be impossible to detect even if that person scrolled through the list of running processes and services.

[@nintandem2119]

A key press is a key press you can't say it's only a half

[@ferociousfeind8538]

My favorite meme

[@ProshipAshton]

literally everything here reminds me of spaceuk and his antics from 2021-2023 hell even the start of cloutiful's journey to the top 10 was in the same month that space got exposed

[@thunderhammerx2966]

That game looks way harder than Theatrythym.

[@tokeivo]

Correction at 5:19 - that's also a normal distribution, just a very narrow (aka "precise") one. You would expect graphs like this if it was a matter of using left vs right hand, for example. (Not exactly like this obviously, but patterns like this.)

[@balzarinemythus50]

A cheater at the professional level?! No way. This would never happen in Counter Strike.

[@MarzOsu]

oh that was fast, just saw u like 3 days ago on btmc's chat

[@xxfloppypillowxx]

Lol I think that if he was smarter he totally could have gotten away with it. People are so convinced by such a basic thing like showing a fresh boot. I can easily write a bash script that will change my keyboard configuration after a certain amount of time after boot so it really doesn't prove anything. But filming yourself using a hotkey that's next level stupid. I'm honestly surprised he wasn't caught earlier.

[@laskerflesto4078]

his tapping would give it away anyways, he was very clearly clicking 2 keys at the same time and hitting notes that were not at the same time with it. He wasn't caught earlier because he somehow got away with not showing his handcam for a whole year while at the top, which is silly and you could cheat in so many ways with that premise.

[@JonathanScarlet]

click timing, tapping sounds, difference in performance. I believe you in that someone could write a script to change to your cheated settings from a certain time at boot-up (especially if it will auto-start after something like the task manager is shown), but in a game like Osu merely changing software/hardware settings won't save you if your own ability to play isn't up to the task. Although, if standards require seeing your tasks and such at the end of the play, you'd have to time turning that script off/reverting to "default" settings as well, which might be harder depending on what you play and how long that takes. If you're too short, you have to find a way to fill the time. If you're too long, you have to hope you have a song on-screen you can play well without those settings (and that it won't visibly screw something else up, either).

[@xxfloppypillowxx]

@@JonathanScarlet Naw if you have to show your tasks just bind a key combination used to show of task manager such as hitting your windows key to set your keys back to default. I know that there are skill-based tells but I'm just saying that from a technical perspective a lot of the steps used to prove "innocence" could pretty easily be gotten around if you have the technical know how. Which is why I think we should rely more heavily on the methods that are harder to fake, like a live record/hand cam should be the standard it shouldn't take someone getting into the top 10 for that to finally be pushed. Everyone has a cell phone these days there is no excuse not to have recorded footage.

[@mif4731]

​@@laskerflesto4078 *cough cough* Gnahus

[@Nekathe]

Love your videos. However, as an Osu-addict, I must nitpick everything I perceive as incorrect. 1:10 , as stated by another commenter, combo increases on any non-missed notes, so non-perfect clicks will also increase combo. 1:23 , performance points(pp) are actually given for every (ranked) map played--not just the top 100. However, pp for a score is weighted by how high up they are rated, thus why the top 100 scores are most relevant. 1:46 , angle between notes also effects pp score calculation 9:09 , another commenter brought up that timewarp was common before 2017 Honestly, this is a super fun video, and as a fairly long-time subscriber, I'm super glad that you made this video of the situation. The concepts are explained super well, and it feels very well researched. For anyone who doesn't think this is cheating, the method allows the player to doubletap (a relatively easy method of clicking that sacrifices accuracy) but with full acc.

[@sticklyboi]

i cant believe neuro sama would do this

[@hidden2098]

Just some clarifications here and there as a frequent player, your total pp (performance points) are calculated based on every score you’ve submitted, however there is a weighting applied to pp you get from each score. This weighting makes pretty much every score out of your top 100 obsolete, however it is worth noting that it’s not just your top 100 that is calculated for your pp. Along with this your top 100 is not just all the hardest maps you’ve completed, it’s your top 100 pp value scores based on what the games pp calculation algorithm decides is your best scores. Often this ends up underweighting some skillsets more than others. Namely technical maps and reading maps. Meaning most players end up having the same styles of map as their top 100 plays, between a mix of raw aim, speed, and spaced streams.

[@vyrdera]

Hey abbyssoft, can you do a video about MrRubix? In the heyday, he came out of nowhere and became a master of Flash Flash Revolution. We all suspected him of cheats, but didn't have the technology at the time. Thank you and love you

[@Abyssoft]

Join my discord and give me the details

[@MacCrunch]

It's shocking to see how something that started as innocent fun could escalate to such controversial proportions. Cloud was a promising player, and it's disappointing to learn about his cheating tactics.

[@philbon_]

If you look at the data at 5:19, there’s a lot of instances of 62 & 64, so it’s not far fetched to assume it’s somewhat equally distributed between the 3 subdivisions of 63. You might be right though. But the opposite is definitely right, if you organize the data in groups of 50ms, both the red and blue would be giant spikes at 50-100ms. So data can be mislead by the scale of the axis.

[@nobully_osu]

Top player here also, I would fall into the same boat as thinking DKS was unviable. My only regret was when I had discovered this on my own wooting and screwed around with it around a year ago was that I had reported it. Also, I think this video was very well made and something I never expected would end up outside the osu! bubble online, lol

[@Abyssoft]

Thanks, I did have some great help though.

[@nathanbindschadler7805]

I’m not a member of the osu community, but he did acknowledge what he did and immediately revealed all that were cheated, far better than most cheaters communities have to deal with. Just something to consider.

[@SixDigitOsu]

After 1 year of cheating tho

[@nathanbindschadler7805]

@@SixDigitOsu oh, not trying to minimize the fault, just saying he did seem to win it without excuse. Just saying people had lighter punishment for far worse

[@Goofy_gl0ck]

This is the SpaceUK of osu lmao

[@DoctorSwellman]

Man you got this one out quick. Great vid!

[@lingricen8077]

why did you say Man?

[@jym2r]

@@lingricen8077 because english is a funny language. its the same as saying "bro" or "dude"

[@lingricen8077]

@@jym2r Nah, saying ‘man’ means you are gay, you think of men subconciously

[@bwellstv4927]

For the record, the graphs with the spike in usage at 63 are also normal distributions.

[@pierogitozycie8426]

Also? No, only red bars are making normal distribution while blue are full random ;)

[@jackdixon6681]

Yeah, it's just an inhumanly narrow normal distribution.

[@archmagusofevil]

The blue bars are a normal distribution with a larger standard deviation. And I have no idea what you mean by "full random" as any probability distribution is random. Otherwise it would be deterministic.

[@JosiahBradley]

You can't dance your way out of this one.

[@blacklight683]

0:02 bro as a non osu player my eyes can barely keep up am starting to think the strategy is to keep your eyes in the middle and use your peripheral vision to move to the points Like if i focus i can follow it but i cant imagine moving my hand so fast

[@p7584]

The "Osu Report Mafia"?? Jfc.

[@xystumlol]

is a joke name lol

[@Saicofake]

I don’t even speedrun or know half the games this channel covers but I am always excited for new episodes.

[@superbad8008]

BTMC’s video on this was glorious.

[@hitihautriponel419]

Alright, you got me. I'm subbing right now. In fact, I didn't know I wasn't subbed.

[@bakawaki]

So glad people are able to find and kick these cheaters out of the leaderboards. Why can't these people just compete without cheating.

[@JonathanScarlet]

Some get frustrated at a perceived/real plateau of their skill and want to get to that next level no matter what, even if beforehand they were staunchly anti-cheating. Some people are noobs (not newbs) who are trying to show off but will get caught due to their game inexperience. And some, to use a meme, just want to watch the world burn because they want to troll around and see how long they can go without getting caught. All of them are disdainful, though some imo deserve more ire and scorn than others.

[@_c2]

​​@@JonathanScarletSome also cheat to set the illusion that they are skilled and experienced whether to themselves, or in most cases, others.

[@dfking16]

well he wasnt cheating for for a long time, like he said, he was already top 50 without it, so its not unreasonable to think he could get top 3 without it as well, just prob wouldve took way longer for it to happen

[@DaiLoDong]

how is this cheating. he presses 2 keys and gets 2 inputs in the game. like people are delusional in the comments.

[@_c2]

@@DaiLoDong "gets 2 inputs in the game" wrong-DKS can be used to essentially turn singletapping into streaming or turn doubletapping into flawless alternating, thus effectively qualifying as a macro. Two inputs at the same time should be treated as two inputs, not alternating ones.

[@Denaytechru]

This quality of videos is so high 🔥, you got my subscription man.

[@RqBxrl]

Intro ends at 1:50

[@ruinthe]

as someone who was friends with cloutiful, i wasnt very angry that he was cheating or anything, i was more of insanely disappointed in him. i saw him as someone i could look up to when playing osu! (since im utter dogshit at the game) and someone who i can learn from to improve. when asked if he was cheating in a discord server, he lied and said "wallahi im not" right infront of all of his friends, and that was the part that made me feel really upset. not only did he lie to his friends, he lied under gods name just for a game.

[@TemporalOnline]

AAAAH! So THIS is the OSU! that keeps popping on Reddit's "Place" mural 🤔

[@JonathanScarlet]

It is. Just not for this specific cheating scandal, though.

[@matthinton19]

09:01 what’s up with that pinky finger

[@realDonaldMcElvy]

4:32 Guacamole

[@DanielDugovic]

I imagined after the second data analysis showing p < 0.05, the community would ban simply based upon that unreal correlation.

[@Dave-rd6sp]

I've never played this game and the video was confusing. Walked away thinking, so it's a game where you tap and trace lines, and he tapped in a way that breaks a rule? Do I have that right?

[@Abyssoft]

He used a mod that made tapping with alternating keys happen perfectly, whereas players not using the mod can't come close to his consistency

[@Kaimax61]

he was basically using an "aim hack" if this was a shooter, pressing any button will always hit the target. That's why there were multiple inputs, even if there were no target to hit.

[@Dave-rd6sp]

@@Abyssoft Ah, OK. I didn't really understand how to play the game from watching the video, so I was super confused.

[@ossucoolchamp2401]

@@Dave-rd6sp Basically, he was alternating the keys when playing the game, but the input was doubled or trippled (the settings make diff here). One key he was tapping like normal but the other key was tapping more (when he holds the key, when he lifts it back or when he presses it down), its what i get from it. So he had to actually play the game but had big advantage by doing what he did (imagine you tap to the speed of 200 bpm but the inputs are like you are tapping to the 300 bpm etc.)

[@ossucoolchamp2401]

@@Dave-rd6sp People made some joke scores using his method offline after the ban, and were getting full combo on 600 bpm songs (i think you should see how impossible that is by using normal method).

[@winrawrisyou]

5:14 Both the red and blue curves you drew could be normally distributed. Red has a lower variance and lower mean.

[@KadariAnirudh]

Looks like yall got your spaceUK

[@alvinzhu6152]

all this for a circle game lmao

[@BadChess56]

It's SpaceUK all over again!

[@junebugrobotics]

The spaceuk of osu!.

[@the8bitclicker_193]

You can definitely see in this comment section who understands osu! and who doesn't. It's disgusting to see people who think that a game made out of passion is perceived useless.

[@MLH9777]

i could put my full passion into my ThingerJimBobHitter9000 but what is it gonna go

[@the8bitclicker_193]

@@MLH9777 exactly my point of this comment - you're literally just making a non-related example to justify your hate

[@MLH9777]

@@the8bitclicker_193 but it is related? im making a comparison

[@vannesschua9281]

This is so much worse than spaceuk of geometry dash

[@BernardBernouli]

A couple of small things about statistics: Both plots in 5:17 follow a normal distribution roughly. One just has a sigma that is very small, which is very odd for a human.

[@yxles8929]

bro made the video before karl jobst lmao

[@lemon4378]

This is some good editing man, good jobL

[@notdelta8975]

Actual respect, clear and concise explanations that anyone new to osu! would understand. Great job!

[@davidf_bs]

Osu player here, great video. I followed this whole thing and still learned a thing or two

[@damiencouturee6240]

I just gotta say, Ive watched a few things about Osu and no matter how its explained I have ABSOLUTELY no clue what is going on at all lmao. Its impressive, theres no doubt there, but idek wtf theyre doing lmao Edit, just watched that relaxed footage you played. Yep, still absolutely no idea what just happened lmao. I get the cursor position but then theres like arrows and stuff and then one of the things had a ball rolling in it and just wtf lmao

[@boscorner]

Moving da stylus, tapping x and z when the ring shrinking around the circle hits the edge. If you watch some gameplay with the music present, you should notice the beats hit when the halo around the circle comes in contact with the circle. So, along with the order the circles spawn, all the shrinking halos help you know what notes next by how small it is.

[@damiencouturee6240]

@@boscorner tapping x and z?? Then what are the numbers in the circles for 😭. Im gonna have to play for myself sometime lol, just don't have anything to play it on. Thanks for responding

[@pacer5497]

those are sliders, you have to follow the slider ball (the rolling ball) and follow the track of the slider. if there is an arrow on the slider, you have to keep holding, and go in the oppisite direction

[@pacer5497]

@@damiencouturee6240the numbers are just to show the order of the circles, they dont affect gameplay otherwise

[@damiencouturee6240]

@@pacer5497 I think I got kind of an idea from the replay analyzing program Abyssoft showed and the few comments here, thanks for trying to explain it to me lol. I'll have to try it out, I'm sure it'll click if I actually play an easy level but let me tell you it is a hell of a thing to watch when you know nothing about it lmao

[@Demonical_GD]

Feels like a spaceUK situation._.

[@StormBurnX]

It's wild to think that someone would go out and buy a 200 dollar keyboard just to make fake clout in a very active speedrunning community that sniffs out fishy behavior rapidly... like, bruh, you just bought a 200 dollar cheating device and got banned.

[@XMaxJunior]

The keyboard itself isn't bannable, just the mentioned DKS feature that falls under the macro usage ban, a lot of other players (even the top 1) uses the same keyboard but with that feature off

[@StormBurnX]

@@XMaxJunior right but like. they bought the keyboard so they could immediately start using it to cheat. for their purposes, that's all the keyboard was for. Now they have a 200 dollar keyboard that isn't really useful for what they bought it for in other words.

[@GamerGamblerYGOT]

Wooting is actually the primary keyboard at this point for anyone trying to play speed maps (Maps that require fast clicking), as there is a completely legal and allowed function called rapid trigger. Which basically means that you can actuate the key at any point in the key press. If that makes sense. Its also, clearly, very modifiable config wise. ​@StormBurnX

[@XMaxJunior]

@GamerGamblerYGOT with rapid trigger you still have to do the finger movement even if minimal while with the DKS not, that's the major issue with that feature that lead to cloutiful been banned, outside from osu the keyboard is totally fine, their features were first developed to help fps pro players to do stuffs like straife or quick movement with ease, then some osu players found about the keyboard and tried out with the game, it's a gray area in osu rules but that was already discussed a lot in the community and their staff at the wooting's prime "hype". I believe nowadays the rapid trigger function exists even outside the magnet switch area, some apex pro and razer models already have it in software to replicate the feature and that technology itself already got a lot cheaper with chinese keyboards.

[@SanzuRiver]

Speed running??? In osu... what?

[@jzrn_n0]

Finally the osu players feel the pain the geometry dash players felt with space uk

[@elrit6]

osu had ceaters before gd even existed idk whats your point

[@definitelynotanAIchatbot]

Neuro-sama is the best osu player.

[@Kerlyos_]

Wow, thanks for these very clear explanation!