Top Ten Aeldari Units In 2024-“Post January Dataslate!”

[@SuperPyst]

Last game vs knights, a BL wave serpent full of firedragons and feugan vs warden, they preformed as expected and were wiped out (although feugan got back up), but the mvp was the wave serpent, it naturally got an overwatch hit and max damage but killed the knight in melee. It was glorious

[@ProxyHammer1]

There is nothing better than killing a knight with the humble wave serpent in melee lol 😂

[@MAtth0KurtCobain]

Hey ! A bit of insight as a fellow competitive Aeldari player for more than ten years : - I don't think Farseer are near auto include TBH. We have already seen list getting top 1 in big Tournament without it because for me it is mandatory if you play the Avatar etc but I think otherwise, giving -1 wounds to an aspect unit or a Fire Prism is meh for 80point. The auto 6 is nice because fewer fate dice but still. Eldrad is very meh. 110 for a doom and 3 dices (which is still +50%) is way too much especially with a Farseer (almost 200 points). - Storm Guardian ARE good, ppl should stop bullying then. Their cost is a bit high but you can put your autarch on foot in it, which can permit you a double Grenade statragem for exemple etc. Grenade stratagem will be key in every eldar list Imo. Sticky objectif on the beginning of a phase is excellent. They're better than the Defenders because 110 for a bright lance and one dice per turn is a bit expensive. - Fire prism i'm not sold, you have to play at least 2 of them so 360 points for a fragile unit that forces you 2 CP every turn to preserve with fire & fade. - Shroud Runners will be seen, they were always good but now they have less competition and they will shine. - Fire dragons in falcon are almost everywhere now 2 or 3 units (Hence fire prims is not necessary for me). Scorpion with karandras are also very good in a Falcon and even stronger : Troupe with a Troupe Master or the Visarch cuz they have more reliable DW & Grenade. - Spectre I think are not that good, I don't see them in competitve than often because we already have so much anti infantry, the dmg 3 is ok but i think Warp Spiders, even tho 20 points higher, are better (and are on almost, if not every list). They're clearly NOT the best unit in the codex for me by a long shot 😅 - Rangers auto include. 55 points is just to cheap to pass on. Inflitrate, snipe etc. Extremely efficient unit. Illic is not mandatory but still very VERY good. - Death jester with less fate dice, meh. - I know you like Dark Reapers (i like them too) but no, they' re are not above Warp spiders not making it into your top 10. They're really meh tbh. I hear your point and maybe i'm wrong but if you want indirect fire now i think the Shadow weaver is really good with his -1 to hit. Sorry for the huge text, i really like your content and i just wanted to share this with you. CAREFUL tho about this will be the meta, this will be the top army (even tho Necron are probably going to be) but don't forget that codex will be appear regulary and the dataslate has 2 weeks of existence. Ppl out there, don't be baited to quickly !

[@thewartheoryguild]

perfect analysis imho

[@MAtth0KurtCobain]

@@thewartheoryguild oh thanks !

[@ProxyHammer1]

I think you make a lot of good and valid points, while I listed them as “Auto include” it’s kind of just a way of saying these units are extremely good and it would kind of be unfair to include them in the video due to their universal value. I also find that if I’m not running the avatar I’m probably running Storm guardians and throwing fortune on them to skew early game plans in regards to killing them. That’s just me though as the Skyrunner with guide in the right build is great as well. About the Spectres I think their primary value lies in the fact that they have great movement and damage against a variety of targets. For example, they can move 14” then another 6” and Fire and fade another 14” which is absolutely insane and because they are infantry they can of course move through ruins. Now Spiders while great I feel won’t be in a safe spot in the late game as their short range makes them more of an early game scorer/control piece but due to the nerf of phantasm they are a little more vulnerable and more susceptible to that dreaded 1-2 inches. Still great though and obviously will still be in lists just the way that I play with them they tend to die before turn 4 scoring, getting a cheeky Overwatch and being a general pain for the opponent to put down, much risker now 😓 The other thing about Spectres is they are brilliant into DE with D3 which will punch through venoms no problem. Idk I just see them more of a very versatile unit that happens to be good in a number of scenarios

[@ProxyHammer1]

Also as far as Reapers go, at the very least they are an 80pts indirect unit that’s great at killing hiding light infantry or support. The Exarch always hits on 3+ as well which is pretty useful against light scoring units of both Eldar, Dark Eldar, and Tau that you sometimes see playing at a high level. That’s kind of where my mind is at with them. The Shadow Weaver is also a consideration but does cost 125 vs 80

[@MAtth0KurtCobain]

@@ProxyHammer1 Yeah i agree, Even tho you can FEP spiders, shoot, OW during opponent turn then fire and fade. It does cost 3 CP but it's insane in term of positioning and mind game. The 6 feets of the Spectre are still great, I just don't think that are THAT good as the top 1 unit in the codex (auto include excluded as you said, fair point). I like Storm guardians with the Avatar for the +1 sprint. If one day GW finally reduces the cost of the Warlock, you can have them move & sprint for 14 just like Hawks or Spectre with sticky objectives. Farseer are kinda in a rough spot for me because less fate dice and the 12 feet range. Still great and as an Ulthwé fan, i cannot bring myself not playing but I still consider it if i cut the Avatar one day. Yeah but reaper are still very squishy and if play them purely for the indirect, you loose the 4 other members of the squad, which means 80 for a tempest shot. If you give line of sight to the 4 other member, they can die really, really quickly. Unfortunately, Shadow Weaver are 125 cuz of the shared profil with the D-Cannon, which is overcost for it but is kinda bulky are you can really hide cuz you ain't loosing nothing compared to the four Dark Reaper as mentioned previously.

[@MrThepatriot30]

A unit of 6 wind riders with sky farseer and a unit of 6 Shroud runners could be a good team for coordinate attacks and objective cleaning. With the combo Fuegan, fire dragons and falcons. And scorpions and Karandras, time is coming for agressive Eldar armies ! 😈😈

[@ProxyHammer1]

Agreed!! The fast and aggressive Eldar play style is back!!!

[@Saieden]

I think Wraithblades deserve an honourable mention as well. They're tougher than Wraithguard (axe and shield always), are powerful on the charge, and with less indirect around it's easier to guide and/or fortune them. Since the Spiritseer has a pistol, they can also advance 12" and DTH or whatever if the opponent just lets you have the center.

[@ProxyHammer1]

I think they are solid too! I almost put them in at 9 but I think they suffer hard in the Cron/DE/ Custodes matchup that we are going to see in competitive play

[@davidricketts9403]

Fuegan is not an auto include as cannot buy one :P

[@maxmagnus377]

Google ArtelW. Will take a while to get to you, but they have an amazing range of Eldar proxies, including Fuegan. Might not be a great tip if you're looking to play tournaments that require only official models, but otherwise I highly recommend them!

[@ProxyHammer1]

Lmfao!! True!

[@ProxyHammer1]

They do have a great range!

[@MichaelHusman-b2l]

Got a spare metal one unpainted if you are interested.

[@MichaelHusman-b2l]

@davidricketts9403 still need one?

[@joshramirez2049]

Storm guardians and regular guardians above the avatar, death jester, and solitaire is crazy lol

[@thewartheoryguild]

and rangers

[@ProxyHammer1]

Absolutely! He has some really strong and harsh counters in the current meta that can absolutely one round him

[@ProxyHammer1]

They are great!

[@davidfeline5850]

Love Death Jester and the Solitaire.

[@zoso279]

​@@davidfeline5850Been wanting one for putting in a Falcon. Doubt it's that useful but thought it would be hilarious to have a Solitaire pop out of a Falcon and zip across the entire map and punch a character.

[@stamatisarvanitidis2430]

Fire prism with 2 d6 shots with blast and S6 Ap -1 D2 is great anti infantry. If you throw bladestorm on it, it is very reliable at clearing any infantry.

[@ProxyHammer1]

It very much can be!!

[@davidfeline5850]

It's always time for Aspect Warriors. Love 'em 💪

[@ProxyHammer1]

Damn right!!

[@gillesmelet1044]

I say it again : Fire Prisms are great 💚 Concerning Fuegan there was a miracle for me : one player in my local group had it among others Aeldari stuff but he does not plan to start an army anymore and he accepted to exchange it 💥

[@ProxyHammer1]

Dude nice!

[@saintofvirtue4149]

So what I've noticed from the comments and others is that Eldar as an army are back to using army synergy and trickery. Most units don't function well enough on their own to justify their points but when combined do more than the sum of their parts. People taking these combos and opponents knowledge of dealing with the combos will definitely contribute to the mileage you get. You almost could do a top 10 about excellent combos.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Absolutely! Army is all about synergy and tactical play!

[@TheLagiacrus1]

Wouldn't fact that Necrons are up and coming as top dogs mean we wouldn't want to use Fire Prisms when they're extremely hampered by 4++ Invulns?

[@ProxyHammer1]

even so two prisms being able to wipe out a doomday ark or half shot a monolith is pretty good. Of course d cannons are nice but you need to invest heavily in fate dicefor those

[@joshuadixon979]

The biggest FU from GW ever is making an eldar forgeworld unit amazing and then taking it off the market! Been chasing spectors for over a year now...

[@ProxyHammer1]

Dude I know it’s crazy… been considering getting “fakes” from 3rd party for a while now

[@7Falcon8Wings7]

Throughout the edition, I’ve run my Autarch with the Storm Guardians to give them Fights First + an extra Fusion Gun. Keep them out of LoS and Jain Zar with her Howling Banshees are not far behind for free Heroic Intervention if they try to charge them. They’ve taken out Dreadnoughts with just the Fusion Guns hehehe

[@ProxyHammer1]

Nice dude! Love the storms!

[@hectortoledo8938]

I think I'd switch the storm guardians and the avatar from being in the list and being a honourable mention

[@ProxyHammer1]

Ya I can see that for certain matchups, the Ork matchup for storms isn’t great but they can at least screen

[@andysmith2235]

Well done PH, was waiting for this one!

[@ProxyHammer1]

Thank you!! Took me one day longer than I thought but knew I needed to get this one out!

[@venkelos6996]

This was a very fun video. Prior to the data slate, I honestly was just wondering if GW was going to totally kneecap the Eldar, and FORCE them down the tree so that people would stop complaining that they were THE top army. I like Eldar a lot, but I've often felt that GW, on the other hand, don't always, since they aren't Marines, or otherwise Imperium, and they've definitely been left to languish before. Welk, they sort of did, but I'm glad to see that the Eldar are still competitive, and they still certainly will win several events. Now, we'll have to see how long they let Necrons rule the worm pile before nerfing them. At least they already have their codex, so they can balance nerfs against that, instead of having to later, after they'd gain four orher ways of playing.😊 As for the Shadow, I'm glad to still see them topping the list! I remember when they were new, and a cool, but off-point FW unit, a d then faded into obscurity. Then 10e happened, and they were suddenly good...and no one could get them, as FW had already ceased producing them. As they kept performing well, in tbe army everyone wanted see go down, I continued wondering as to their fate. Would simple desire for money cause GW to start making them, again? Would they get shifted over to Legends, since "no model no rules" could kind of apply, and they did worse to Dark Angels, already. Making them "unplayable" would definitely have broken part of the Eldar steam, since the only reason they weren't even more prevalent was that they weren't officially being made, which meant GW wasn't making money, or events wouldn't allow them. I know that their Codex isn't imminent, but I will wonder what their fate will be, once it drops? Will they get pushed to Legends? Will they get new, or at least AVAILABLE official models? Where will Eldar be then, and will this carry them on, or even further rein them in?

[@ProxyHammer1]

Interesting thoughts about the Spectres! I’ve always thought they should be included in the regular Eldar book and be made in plastic and I think we are as close to that as we will ever be with the merging of Forgeworld and GW onto one webstore. I’m also glad Eldar stayed competitive and that GW is taking balance a lot more seriously even if it’s still in tune with their business model, at the end of the day balanced rules means foreseeable growth and sales

[@VorteXMaxsong]

About Shadow Specters… Was kinda out from WH scene for long time and just realized how I been extremely lucky to just casually buy them in Warhammer Cafe in Tokyo last summer. 😅

[@ProxyHammer1]

Dude nice pick up!

[@andreabaldo8558]

Aspects mechdar, the way it should be! Your take on dire avengers on wave serpent?

[@ProxyHammer1]

Very good still! I think you just have to use them a bit differently because Phantasm being nerfed was a bit tragic

[@makeytgreatagain6256]

What do you suggest we use instead. I’m new to this playing game but have been up for date with the meta for 3 years now. I listen to you a lot but I had my first game last week and last night was my second game and I noticed Phantasm doesn’t seem that good so I never used it and instead used go to ground, fire over watch, fire and fade and feigned retreat. So what do you suggest we do? Should we Bin phantasm due to this. I run mostly wraith units, sometimes my army is 9 windrider with 2 mount farseer. Other time its guardian def, avenger 2 falcons one wraith lord ranger and 2 walkers.

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@makeytgreatagain6256 Well it’s very situational, if 1” would put you out of a charge or put you into an objective I think it’s still worth using but it’s not going to be a list building consideration

[@makeytgreatagain6256]

Yeah thats how i was going to use it but my opponets terminators or whatevr the space marine unit is with sheilds and swords came in from reserved (my turn 2) and went to charge my unit i wanted to use phantasm but as its a charge and not a movement it was useless. I instead found myself using Fireoverwatch with my wraithguard (they didnt hit anything RIp.). Thanks for letting me know about the strategmen and how to use it, i won the game when my wraithlord flamered 2 squad marines sword strike and sunburst (the advice you gave on what to put on wraithlord came clutch against his infantry)@@ProxyHammer1

[@ghost9pm407]

Great video. I think Skyweavers deserve an honorable mention as well right alongside Windriders. They can take on tanks as well as dig out infantry hiding behind L-shaped ruins which is more important now that all the indirect has been nerfed to oblivion.

[@ProxyHammer1]

They are a great unit as well! Very useful utility!

[@stevenpilgrim3287]

I used Skyweavers vs Chaos Knights. So efficient

[@ghost9pm407]

@@stevenpilgrim3287 Nice. How did that game go if you don't mind me asking? I feel like it could be a tough matchup for most eldar players if their antitank weapons max out at S12.

[@stevenpilgrim3287]

@@ghost9pm407It was pretty one sided. He called it on turn 4 with only 1 knight left. I plan on using the same 2 X 2 man squads at Adepticon next month.

[@ProxyHammer1]

they are really good@@stevenpilgrim3287

[@kevinishki]

I'm trying to put together a good alpha strike for my list about 670 points allocated for it. Going into necrons. Was thinking Scorpions, dark reapers and a linx. Not sure if it's a good idea or if the scorpions will even be able to get there. Yriel is in so I can redeploy if needed.

[@ProxyHammer1]

I would definitely recommend karandras for such a list he hits like a truck. Alpha strike Turn 1 will be hard to pull off this edition though you will need to win that 50/50 dice roll

[@criticalcommenter]

Ive got brand new spectres and the exarch. Didnt even buy them. Just got given them years ago.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Nice dude!!! Build those boys up!

[@rimjobsteve3264]

Amazing to see how many of the units I’ve been running for fun have benefited from this nerf, shroud runners, rangers, fire prisms, falcons, etc

[@ProxyHammer1]

Abso-Fukin-loutely!

[@ljholder89]

Nice to see Aspects being stronger, just a shame it's the finecast or resin ones that are hot. What do you think about the Drukhari alternatives in Ynnari to certain units like Scourges, Kabalites and Reavers?

[@MrThepatriot30]

Finecast team ! Spiders, dragons and hawks... We can dream of plastic models for the next codex ... 😅

[@ProxyHammer1]

I think proxy/kitbash is awesome I’ve seen so many good conversions!

[@ProxyHammer1]

Fingers crossed!!!

[@SeanHoltzman]

Excited to dump Falcons + Fire Dragons and be able to disembark and shoot and get abilities and all that with the rules tweaks/clarifications 😈 I think foot Warlocks will be even more important now with the ability to -2 to charge the squad AND be able to pop that on the squad on disembark from a deepstriking Falcon! Can't wait to cut my teeth again, been doing Dark Angels and looking through the new codex Im gonna have to do some games vs my new eldar at some point to decide whrre Im feeling the fun

[@ProxyHammer1]

Eldar are going to waaaaayyyyy more fun 😉 I’ve always found anything other than Maaaayybeeeee Ravenwing very boring in Dark Angels 😔

[@GTXanatos13]

Some of these are my faves, I've loved dark reapers this edition and put them in basically every list Good backfield idiots with reliable chip damage. Also, about fire dragons, I have scientifically observed that every time I have reroll 1s, my failures are all 2s.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Lmfao 🤣 it’s best not to rely on it and it will come up more for you lol 😂

[@prickles21]

Yvraine, because Ynnari get you those cool dark eldar toys.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Hell ya man 😈

[@tsumugi1654]

Wonderful video, very useful information

[@ProxyHammer1]

Thank you my friend!

[@LoftOfTheUniverse]

Guardians are 8th in a top 10? Dang Eldar really has dropped...

[@ProxyHammer1]

Guardians are good man! 😉

[@MissZencefil]

@@ProxyHammer1when that lonely brightlance pops up somewhere with a re-roll to hit and wound, it's really scary. They screen good, they give a fate dice each turn. What else you want from a backline unit with a name "defender". They defend! Great review ProxyHammer.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Thank you!! Yes ikr? Guardian defenders can be quite good!

[@MrGenerichead]

Great video. No arguments here. agree with everything.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Nice!! Good to see you around btw!

[@ProxyHammer1]

Not that you are are never around 😉 just good to see you in the comments 😊

[@kinsmanifesto1]

Shadow spectres available on games work shop rn!!!

[@ProxyHammer1]

Get ‘em while they are hot!

[@nathannault2239]

Seems only available in the UK...

[@kinsmanifesto1]

@@nathannault2239 you missed the window. I got mine a week ago in New York.

[@JamesSerapio]

Wpuld be noce if shadow spectres were an actual plastic kit

[@ProxyHammer1]

Totally agreed!

[@EliWintercross]

We need plastic kits for all our Aspects

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@EliWintercross Absolutely!

[@telelkhajiit7910]

Re: shadow spectres availability. Remember folks there're plenty of original 3rd party products to support nowadays. Some of which might be said to be better than the OEM forge world sculpts. Don't support scumcasting parasites who steal another person's sculpts. :)

[@ProxyHammer1]

Absolutely my friend!

[@gangrel7674]

I have not seen any that are better than the official models. Lots of ugly 3d prints out there.

[@telelkhajiit7910]

@@gangrel7674 Outsiders from fantasy cult miniatures. There're also the spectres from ghamak but I can see why some don't care for them.

[@cristianvasilescu1544]

Guess I gotta wipe the dust from my unbuilt specters. The question is is an exarch worth building aswell?

[@ProxyHammer1]

I would build him you might as well but probably dont pay the insane point cost for him

[@cristianvasilescu1544]

@@ProxyHammer1 fair enough

[@georgevincent7259]

whats your verdict on fire prisms now? i thought that being independent of fate dice, they might be pretty good, but I could be mistaken.

[@joshramirez2049]

No, that is the correct take. Less fare dice gives fire prisms even more use.

[@ProxyHammer1]

They are even better now! Great unit as they are fate dice independent and hit hard

[@ProxyHammer1]

Absolutely!

[@thetimebinder]

Stealth doesn't stack with the Indirect Fire Penalty.

[@ProxyHammer1]

No it does not but a lot of indirect fire weapons have “Heavy” which is negated by stealth

[@thetimebinder]

@@ProxyHammer1 that's fair

[@DeadofNight40K]

I could be silly, but I feel I could argue the War Walker is almost better now than it was. Not even an honorable mention :(

[@ProxyHammer1]

I think it’s good but truthfully I found myself so strapped for Fate dice in my prior games that I didn’t have the extra for damage rolls all the time like I used to and the Ap -3 is weak against the new Crons unfortunately. Great unit no doubt but would rank the Prism better overall for the points. However having 1 in your list is still a very good idea for the scout 9 and very good trading Vs lower T vehicles/monsters T11 or less really. I just don’t see them being spammed

[@gushamiltonjames5245]

After running my list of the boarding patrol + some shroud runners for months and finally upgrading to an avatar of khaine and yncarne right as the nerfs hit I have very mixed feelings

[@ProxyHammer1]

The boarding patrol isn’t a great boxed set for regular play, tbh it doesn’t synergize well imo but you can definitely make it work! I think the best way to run corsairs is mechanized!

[@gushamiltonjames5245]

@@ProxyHammer1 yeah I agree - it was briefly good enough at the end of 9th for me but have trouble with it now. Can I ask what mechanised means? Haven’t heard the term before 😅

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@gushamiltonjames5245 Very true! Mechanized means transported in wave serpents or falcons. It’s really good with corsairs

[@elpis9128]

What is a good number of Spectre kits for an army? They're temporarily back in stock! I am new to the hobby and you've been my guiding light when building my Aeldari force. Many, many thanks!!

[@ProxyHammer1]

I like to regularly field two units paired with a unit of three shroud runners, has good punch when focused together in a coordinated attack and can clear multiple chaff units separately! Of course some like 3 units! I’d start with two though to get a feel for how they operate!

[@elpis9128]

I really appreciate your input 🙏 I'm a ways off from playing my first game but I put together a 2000 point list that feels like something worth working towards and gives me direction with my purchases. It's a daunting hobby to enter blind but thanks to you especially and a couple other guys here I've been able to get some bearings. Here's my current favorite 2000 pt. setup: + Epic Hero + Avatar of Khaine [335pts] Eldrad Ulthran [110pts] Fuegan [115pts] + Character + Autarch Wayleaper (Phoenix Gem) [140pts] Farseer [80pts] + Battleline + Guardian Defenders [110pts] . 10x Guardian Defender . Heavy Weapon Platform + Infantry + Fire Dragons [85pts] . 4x Fire Dragon . Fire Dragon Exarch Rangers [55pts] . 5x Ranger: 5x Shadow Spectres [95pts] . 5x Shadow Spectre Shadow Spectres [95pts] . 5x Shadow Spectre Swooping Hawks [75pts] . Swooping Hawk Exarch Swooping Hawks [75pts] . Swooping Hawk Exarch + Mounted + Shroud Runners [80pts] . 3x Shroud Runner Windriders [160pts] . 6x Windrider + Vehicle + Falcon [140pts] Support Weapons [125pts]: D-cannon Support Weapons [125pts]: D-cannon

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@elpis9128 This list looks really solid dude! Well rounded with lots of strong units that will be super fun to use!

[@maxmagnus377]

Should get me some Windriders. Used to have ancient ones, but I converted those into Shining Spears back in 8th (Spoiler, they're garbage now... sigh...) Also, I think what's really keeping Dark Reapers from being good is that the armies you'll be playing against most, be it casually or competitively, are marines. I bought some recently and tried them as a unit of 5 in the backfield in a few games against my Black Templar paying friend. Against regular T4 2W marines they're okay(ish), but anything more elite than that they really can't do enough against. Think the best they ever did was killing like 10ish marines over the course of 4 turns. Considering the cost disparity between those 2 armies right now, we really need our stuff to do more than that. They're not terribly efficient scoring units and their damage is only really substantial enough against 1W infantry, which just puts them in a niche we can't really afford to fill right now.

[@ProxyHammer1]

I mean 10 marines for 80pts is a great trade imho. They are much better against 1 wound infantry but the tempest launcher is worth the 80pts almost by itself!

[@maxmagnus377]

@@ProxyHammer1 It's a decent trade, but out of 4 games that's the best they've done for me xD 80pts may not seem like much, but you can only spend them once, afterall, and I feel like they'd have been better spent on say, shroud runners. Might not get the same amount of damage to marines out of those over the same amount of time, but they're much faster, have assault weapons, and for those 2 reasons are much more dual purpose in regards to secondaries. They bring more wounds to chew through at higher toughness, optional precision plinking against annoying characters, and a much more synergistic ability to support the rest of the army. They're probably even more efficient at light infantry clearing as well. I've questioned Reaper's effectiveness in your videos before, and who knows, I might just not be using them as best I can, but I just don't see why you regard them so highly.

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@maxmagnus377 Very different roles but yes in general Shrouds are the better pick, really depends though whether indirect fire is something you value I find that the reapers pretty much go under the radar and are able to do some good work in most of the games I play and even bait some Inceptors at times leading to a cost ineffective trade 😉 I’ll have to do a video specifically about them soon

[@Kolobius]

Dark Reapers are great on paper, but are not great on tabletop

[@ProxyHammer1]

Mine do pretty well! Nothing outstanding but they put pressure in all the right places and always seem to do well (mostly due to the indirect though)

[@mayzkuro]

everyone running triple falcons with fire dragons. have you ever thought about putting eldrad alongside your second squad of fire dragons to jump out with him and giving that extra doom? Other question since characters cannot use abilities while in transport. Could you still use brachning fates within a 12“ range through eldrad while being in a falcon?

[@ProxyHammer1]

You could not measure from him if he is in the transport but as soon as he jumps out you can! Eldrad in a Falcon would be sick! Although it depends if I think I need the full wound re-roll against a tough character

[@mayzkuro]

@@ProxyHammer1 against a magnus or an opposing avatar maybe you could consider it as an option right before the game starts

[@Astronometric]

So Wraiths with Spiritseers are not worth anymore after the nerf?

[@gillesmelet1044]

I don't play them personaly, but with Fate Messenger on the Spiritseer that cannot be used anymore on the Wraiths, plus their new nerf for shooting, I can imagine they have become less strong for the price, so players will start considering alternatives to them

[@ProxyHammer1]

I think it’s still a good unit but not nearly as powerful for the huge price point

[@ProxyHammer1]

Very true

[@Astronometric]

Good to know. I don’t have a huge collection yet, so it’s hard for me to play with an optimized army. I will probably still use a least one squad of wraithguards and wraithblades.

[@ProxyHammer1]

def. still use them they are still good just not hard to counter@@Astronometric

[@TornHonor]

What about the Yncarne? Is he too expensive now? Could you run Yncarne with Avatar? or is it too much of a point sink?

[@ProxyHammer1]

Personally I think it’s too much of a point sink to run them both effectively in the same list with new limitations on fate dice 🎲 and the Yncarne nerf didn’t help

[@gangrel7674]

War walkers!?

[@ProxyHammer1]

I don’t think they are nearly as good now that they are on more of an even footing with Fire prisms, still great units I just don’t see them being spammed

[@vaelo_elric]

fire dragons are very very bad imo... Using a Falcon, usually u can't disembark them close to 9" so can't use melta at 6". Using themselves from reserves neither... Tank and Monster Resist is minimun 10, usually 11 or 12... That means u will wound at +5.... they are just pretty bad.

[@ProxyHammer1]

I’m able to disembark mine within 6” from turn 2/3 every single time I use them. Falcon can move 14” with s 3” disembark… You can also Rapid ingress them via the Falcon for a pretty guaranteed threat in your next turn. As for the 5+ to wound they are Rerolling wounds with the Falcon and the firepike is S12. Fire drsgons are also only 85pts so they trade great against things like aggressors and centurions. Honestly positioning is everything you just need to practice with them a bit more to get the hang of it ! Don’t give up!

[@vaelo_elric]

@@ProxyHammer1 thanks for the answer. What happen with shadow spectres? they are not any more in the datasheet from gw official?? can't play them? or is my file bugged? xD

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@vaelo_elric They are still there! It’s probably bugged but Spectres should be around until the codex comes out

[@vaelo_elric]

@@ProxyHammer1 thank u, I found them in the app only. Didn't know they were from Forge world hehe

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@vaelo_elric Ya haha 😂 they are hard to find at first!

[@wenbenson143]

Are Windriders more effective in two groups of 3 or one group 6? Thanks for all feedback

[@joshramirez2049]

If you aren’t talking a big unit of 9 then small units of three are better for objectives

[@ProxyHammer1]

I’ve had success with multiple varieties but if you’re not running a farseer/lock with them I prefer 3 man units

[@akim24]

Does the wraithguard's war construct ability allow it to shoot after they've been targeted during assault? Does it make a difference if it's against a monstrous creature?

[@ProxyHammer1]

Yes it can be used in the assault phase but only if the unit is eligible to shoot (if still in engagement range they cannot do it). Also yes monsters can be targeted in combat so it is possible as long as your models are not still engaged after the monster attacks are resolved

[@akim24]

Would you mind providing me with an example? I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this.

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@akim24 Ok for example if a monster/vehicle charges in and deals 9 wounds and let’s say the vehicle/monster was within engagement range of 4 Wraithguard, meaning he is still engaged with 1 (kill the models that are in engagement range first to ensure you get ranged attacks back) the other 6 would then be able to shoot the monster as monsters are able to be shot at even while engaged. The wraithguard that is still engaged would not though because he doesn’t have the ability to shoot while engaged. On the other hand if an infantry unit charged in and did the same thing then the wraithguard would not be able to fire at all if even a single wraithguard was still within engagement range because infantry cannot be targeted while engaged. However if they manage to kill all wraithguard in engagement then you can shoot them before consolidating

[@OniGanon]

Okay I know this is probably a dumb question and I'd get assaulted if I actually tried this but... The Dark Reapers special rule ignores any modification to the hit roll. Does that mean it can ignore the overwatch penalty?

[@ProxyHammer1]

Unfortunately except for Overwatch 😉 Overwatch always hits on 6+ unless specified otherwise

[@ProxyHammer1]

In other words it doesn’t count as a modification

[@darko-man8549]

30:43 why even go metal? Make your own or 3rd party 🎉

[@ProxyHammer1]

Absolutely agree! I happen to be a fan of the metal ones but truly they suck too 😔

[@menes7252]

Would you take storm guardians over Kabilite warriors for Ynnari ?

[@ProxyHammer1]

Honestly probably not just because you want as much MSU as you can get in Ynnari but I still think they are solid

[@nickbrooks7215]

@@ProxyHammer1 Also with kabilites in venoms rock, plus you then get an extra squad for actions. Ran my first Ynnari army last week agains Grey knights and came out on top. MSU let me screen them out and keep them where I wanted them.

[@ProxyHammer1]

nice dude ya they are really strong@@nickbrooks7215

[@wenbenson143]

I know I'm going to get push back.....but Asurman is an absolute dog! And I don't care how expensive he is

[@MrGenerichead]

He was… with phantasm nerf, I don’t think so anymore

[@wenbenson143]

@MrGenerichead I just hold an objective with him and his avengers and pop Epic Challange and watch him destroy a character in melee once they get charged

[@terrenord1222]

Show me the rule where you can use a fate dice on a reroll.

[@wenbenson143]

@terrenord1222 huh? It does state "before you make a dice roll" so that seems like it covers a re roll

[@terrenord1222]

@@wenbenson143a reroll is not a roll according to the rules.

[@prickles21]

Glad I have a man in Wuhan who can get me Shadow Spectres

[@ProxyHammer1]

They don’t play 🤫

[@Wybrand418]

Shadow spectres are available to buy for me on the GW store. Am I missing something? Edit: I've placed an order with no issues.

[@ProxyHammer1]

I haven’t seen them available in forever 😔

[@ProxyHammer1]

It’s based on region I think 🤔

[@Wybrand418]

​@ProxyHammer1 oh OK. I'm in New Zealand. I also got a fire prism based on your advice 😅

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@Wybrand418 Nice dude!! Ya it’s probably easier to get there!

[@michaelspeegle8535]

They have been sold out alot in the US as well they just came back in stock today.

[@foxintheriver81]

Reapers in 5 or ten what do you think ?

[@Saieden]

I think you'd want 2x tempest in most scenarios, 10 can also be a liability.

[@davidfeline5850]

I ran 10 with Maugan Ra out of a Wave Serpent for fun in a game. They were very scary. Had to apologise to my opponent at the end of turn 3...

[@foxintheriver81]

@@davidfeline5850 who were you playing ? I've never ran reapers, they just look underwhelming?

[@davidfeline5850]

@@foxintheriver81 Blood Angels, Hitting on 2's, wounding on 2's, ignoring cover and hit modifiers. Maugan Ra shooting last as he re-rolls hits and wounds against units under half strength.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Definitely x5 for max tempest and re-rolls!

[@heckinmemes6430]

Shadow specter nerf when?

[@ProxyHammer1]

Probably in 3 months lol 😂

[@everettcolby8976]

Ok, so I’m still getting into the hobby, and I’ve just finished my first aeldari list and I need y’all’s opinion. Farseer Fuegan Solitaire Autark wayleaper Spiritseer 1 squad of wraithguard 1 squad of swooping hawks 2 squads of warp spiders A nightspinner 2 fire prisms 1 squad of shadow specters Wraithknight If I’m not mistaken, that comes out to 1970 points. What do you think? :)

[@ProxyHammer1]

I think it looks great! Wraithknight I would swap for Avatar of Khaine and maybe some rangers or shroud runners but if you like the wraithknight go for it it’s a really cool model!

[@ProxyHammer1]

Oh yes dude definitely magnetize your models!

[@ProxyHammer1]

There are a a lot of good videos on how to magnetize prisms and Nightspinners

[@foxintheriver81]

Drukhari are still really bad. All skysplinter did was make them marginally better than awful. I personally don't see them as any threat to anyone every comp list can deal with them. They maybe give CSM a hard time ? But they're so so fragile. I just don't see them being good.

[@ProxyHammer1]

The combos are absolutely incredible. They have already podiumed tournaments. The thing is yes they are fragile but they trade super well for the points and you can run an absolute horde of them!

[@rikhansen4574]

So the same 10 as before because virtually nothing changed for them

[@ProxyHammer1]

Not really I changed quite a few units on the list but yes there are some of the same units

[@rikhansen4574]

@@ProxyHammer1 Only Nightspinners and Wrathguard got a small point increase...... basically nothing changed for Aeldari.

[@ProxyHammer1]

reread all the rules changes my friend the nerfs were heavy@@rikhansen4574

[@rikhansen4574]

@@ProxyHammer1 over dramatic lets get real it didnt address the issues. Fixing all the completely broken mechanics is not a nerf.

[@ProxyHammer1]

agree to disagree ;)@@rikhansen4574