Top Ten Creationist Arguments

[@kylephelps9296]

If women came from men, why are there still men?

[@nacarreira777]

Ha...ain't a man on this Earth that didn't come from a woman.

[@tosinb919]

@@nacarreira777 except for Adam

[@jackdague1792]

If I was born from my mother, why do I still have a mother? Actually, if we came from chemicals that were part of the Earth, why is there still an Earth?

[@josiahferguson6194]

@@tosinb919 and if women came from man's rib then why do men and women have the same number of ribs?

[@EyFmS]

@@josiahferguson6194 Because it was from the left over bbq ribs Adam was eating.

[@RomGecko]

Kinda funny that 10 years after this video was published, the same damn arguments are still being used by creationists.

[@membersonly807]

Low IQ, it is proven that atheist are smater

[@strongmoon1]

its called faith, faith is ignorance

[@Cuffsmaster]

They really have no choice but to use the same lies to support creationism. Stupid is as stupid does

[@Cuffsmaster]

@Justin Crediblesaid "2000 year old boos so what is 10 years" LOL every good point. They have ignored logic for 2000 years and paid religious leaders to keep the myth going so 10 years is nothing..

[@johnnieangel99]

To be honest, it's not funny but sad, and only getting worse with what's going on in the USA

[@dorninyourside2087]

As a girl working on an evolutionary biology degree to make the world really know- I applaud the comments section and the video👏👏👏

[@timdowney6721]

I’ve squandered so much time and money not collecting stamps. When I finally kicked that habit, I fell right into not buying funny hats.

[@-book]

@Heracles N Your argument is really confusing since you made it one unpolished block of text, so I’ve rewritten it in point form to show why it doesn’t work. Your argument went like this: 1. Non-stamp-collecting isn’t a hobby. 2. That’s why non-stamp-collectors don’t have organizations/clubs. 3. If they did, and they talked/debated about not having stamps, this would make debating stamps their hobby. 4. By this logic, if you talk about or debate atheism that means you have a religion. Ok.... then just don’t use the stamp example? Those two ideas don’t have to be correlated. You haven’t proved that atheism is a religion, you’ve explained why the example isn’t great. Also, I’m curious what your “textbook definition” of religion is. It’s actually debated and there are several proposed definitions. And one final thing: why didn’t you just make this a new comment?? It’s not really related to Tim’s comment since their comment was meant to be a joke... >_>

[@Mortthemoose]

😅😅

[@littyblissed2004]

@TIM DOWNEY, the logic u tried to put forth not collecting stamps, doesnt fit the issue you're relating it to. Not collecting stamps, is one thing, but adhering to a set of beliefs hung on faith that it cd be true, since theres no scientific evidence, ur hanging out there on FAITH alone. That's a religious belief. You may think or want it to be science but until theres evidence..ur just practicing faith in ur religion of evolution.😆😃🤪🙃rofl at u 😉

[@gweilospur5877]

Hence the saying, “philately will get you nowhere”.

[@JabberCT]

I'm a creationist! I have no doubt that man created Gods.

[@Johnclewes]

Oh no.!!! That means im a creationist too.!!!! lol

[@PortmanRd]

You couldn't make it up!!

[@FreddyChoppins]

The most convincing argument against creationism is the simple fact that, in any evolution vs. creationism debate, the creationist generally spends 99% of the debate trying to poke holes in evolution instead of actually making a case for creationism.

[@duke428]

That is a fun thing to watch. Especially when you consider that even if they were able to prove evolution false it wouldn't prove that god was real.

[@scottreevesD2E]

Citation needed.

[@duke428]

Scott Reeves Watch some debates. Start with Bill Nye vs William Lane Craig.

[@maezeppa]

Yes, Craig really got owned, but that is what happens when the truth and the facts are not on your side.

[@maezeppa]

Creationists only knock the evidence of evolution because they've got none of their own.

[@kwitseo]

Why is God always using mortals to prove his existence instead of sending his angels or announcing his own existence himself? Not mention having them to make excuses for his mistakes.

[@wideputin4107]

If God announced his existence to every single living being on the planet then there is no doubt that people would follow but that would beat the purpose of testing their faith in the unseen.

[@kwitseo]

@@wideputin4107 And why is it necessary to test their faith in the unseen? Especially given God's omniscience. It's basically mortals again making excuses for Him.

[@someguy2249]

@@wideputin4107 apparently he didn't care about Moses's faith in the unseen. Or any of the Israelites with him. Or Jesus's disciples. Or Paul... And when Jesus encountered skeptics, like Thomas, or Peter when he doubted, Jesus proved it was him. So in the stories, God is constantly proving his existence beyond reasonable doubt, and yet nowadays people are judged purely on how gullible they are? Oh I am sorry, not gullible, just the capacity to believe without evidence, because those are totally different things apparently.

[@whitneymitchell6803]

@@wideputin4107 there’s a cop out for everything with religious people

[@WilbertLek]

Why is IT a "he"?

[@Mom_sBasement]

If we held off on teaching religion until the age of reason, there would be no religion.

[@thomasaskew1985]

If we put as many restrictions on religion as we do on alcohol, people wouldn't be allowed in church until they turned 21. In that case one of two things would happen: they would reject religion altogether or they would go defiantly just to buck the law that prohibited their going.

[@TheMilitantMazdakite]

Dude, I went from being an atheist to a Zoroastrian after I turned 18, in fact.

[@virreification]

It is interesting that people doubting evolution only exists in religious countries. I live in a country where the vast majority of people are secular, and I have never met a single person who doubts evolution. It seems to me that people have a very hard time accepting things going against their world view.

[@Johnclewes]

LOL, There are only two choices, one must either support the scientific view and accept the evidence endorsing natural evolution,or conversely, the religiously inclined believe an intangible supernatural force,ie."God" is responsible for creating the entire universe,including ourselves, based on the presumption ancient "scriptures" composed by largely anonymous authors are a reliable source of truthful realistic information. Needless to say there is no tangible proof whatsoever a supernatural deity exists,and adherents to the three major world religions are solely reliant on "blind faith" However, religionists are perfectly content to take full advantage of modern scientific advancements,but on the other hand flatly dismiss any evidence contradicting their "ideology",and there is little wonder those wanting the best of both worlds have a very hard time.

[@Stew282]

Eden Grey Go on then, we're all dying to know how you work out that "evolution is a religion".

[@Stew282]

Eden Grey Evolution IS falsifiable - If any organism were found that could not have evolved! Or if a modern animal were to be found fossilized in a strata where it shouldn't be. Or DNA were found with no sequences that correlated to other species. Evolution is very falsifiable, but nothing has been found to falsify it. The rest of your post is just a demonstration that all you know about evolution has been gained from creationist sources, rather than any scientific ones. Hence why you clearly know fuck-all. Try this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_evolution It is a really good page which might help alleviate your ignorance and reduce the likelihood of you writing any more bollocks like your last post.

[@MF_Newportz]

john clewes There are not only two choices. For a long time I had little understanding of evolution, so I never subscribed to that ideology. I was and am an atheist. That's a false dilemma fallacy.

[@TheEsseboy]

Eden Grey First of, missing fossils do not bring the theory down, much like missing bolt in car doesn't mean that it is not a car...The "soft" tissue was not soft at all, it was rock hard but they treated it and was able to make it kinda soft. It did not contain any DNA what so ever so it was a dead end! Nothing to see here, just an incredibly dense bone that preserved it well :) I do not think you grasp the time span of the event called the evolution of life...we are not talking a million years, not two, not four, not eight, not 16 not 32, not even a hundred million years...no not even a billion! No, 3 600 000 000 YEARS...or about 45 million human lifetimes...that is a HUGE amount of time...and during that time I have no doubt what so ever that it is possible for a raspberry bush and a human to evolve from the same starting cell...

[@rolandolopez2374]

People need to grow up and stop believing in fairytales.

[@mee8914]

Good one buddy😂

[@samuelvimes7686]

I used to be agnostic, but after hearing the arguments from creationists I was convinced there is no god

[@jwsanders1214]

Prove that you exist

[@anonymocha]

We don't. Reality is nonexistent.

[@jwsanders1214]

@Benjamin Brinks Why did Jesus say we must be born again ?

[@jwsanders1214]

@Shockwave Bot Prove it !! , Just kidding , Jesus loves you and bought your salvation with his Blood , Trust Jesus an d live !!!

[@petarpetrovic8133]

Wow you just needed 4 minutes to fall? Very stable thinking, God bless

[@seanjones2456]

My two favorites are "How do you know the snake didn't talk?" and about 900 year old men, "Men lived longer back then" I am shocked we have people this dumb walking among us. And they vote!

[@spinosaurusstriker]

@Tim H Orange man bad.

[@psibarpsi]

That's probably why Socrates didn't like democracy all that much.

[@limitess9539]

@@psibarpsi Democracy has it's problems but for the overwhelming majority of the people life under democracy is better than in a dictatorship and other forms,just look at what China is becoming

[@robinpage2730]

Best argument for Sortition.

[@RobertStambaugh-l5r]

It is no one's business how people vote . Even people who believe in the ridiculous belief of evolution can vote how they choose to .

[@myathewolfeh128]

"If humans evolved from monkeys, why do we still have monkeys?" is perhaps the dumbest creationist argument I've ever heard. And it's scary how often I hear it.

[@dr5820]

If birds came from dinosaurs, then why are there still dino- oh fuck, hang on a minute.

[@diggydodges3826]

LMAO - Good one dude

[@natec4133]

UnknownPenguin Because they're delicious. I can't wait until breeders are able artificially select for and create flying pigs. Can you imagine? Bacon buffalo wings...ummmm. C'mon, stupid mutations, do something useful for once.

[@AtlasCrafted]

It is possible that "God" started the big bang and let everything naturally fall into place, but HIGHLY unlikely. All the evidence points towards the universe having no need for a creator. Life can come from non-life given certain circumstances and environments. We know the Earth is over 3.4 Billion years old and that we are made from star dust from who knows how long ago and how many times its been recycled and reused. The Bible cannot possibly cover topics like these. The people who wrote the Bible had no concept of these in depth ideas, so could not have possibly explained it. The Bible is NOT an accurate document, does NOT hold any evidence or ANY value in a historical discussion. Period. Theists need to learn that. Quoting the bible just makes you look stupid.

[@sagerider2]

IF you want to drive a creationist crazy, say this, "If women came from men, why are there still men?" They delete all their comments.

[@Ulyaoth74]

Wow, Christians actually use that last argument? I got one, when I say Pedophile, you name the first group of people that comes to mind. You know what people mostly think of? Catholic Priests. Also people using the monkey argument baffles me as well. In human history we have actually seen the evolution of wolves into dogs. And guess what, we still have wolves.

[@Ulyaoth74]

Haha, oh geeze, I forgot about that too. Wasn't his wife 14 or something? Man oh man, religion will justify anything.

[@Memphis-15bs]

i thought about muslims

[@weaponizedpizza8825]

there are 2 things that do not exist in muslim countries, the word paedophile, and a 13 year old virgin.

[@arthrisis9629]

"christians use the last argument?"sadly,they use it.

[@K-lINE-76]

Verdant Hyborian Wolfe's and dogs? That because there the same kind of animal! Dah

[@2l84me8]

“You can’t prove evolution!” There’s literally more proof for evolution than there is for gravity. And certainly more than any numerous re-writes of a fairytale with talking snakes and donkeys.

[@taowaycamino4891]

There has never been any evidence that shows that the so-called "evidence for evolution" is indeed correct.

[@2l84me8]

@@taowaycamino4891 Evolution is the very backbone of modern science. Troll harder next time.

[@taowaycamino4891]

@@2l84me8 So you claim, but nobody can show any evidence for it. Your claim is just another example of a claim without evidence. Typical atheist that just makes claims without being able to show any evidence for it. People like fantasies and stories like this. Troll harder kid.

[@2l84me8]

@@taowaycamino4891 There are better ways to make friends, you know.

[@taowaycamino4891]

@@2l84me8 That's what your teachers told you, but you never cared to ask them for evidence. Learn to ask questions kid.

[@cubby091398]

At least evolution won't send you to eternal hell for rejecting it.

[@justaguy6216]

Sometimes I wish god designed me so I won't have acne, allergies, bad eye sight, a deteriorating metabolism, an appendix, the pinky toe, flat foot and back pain for sleeping the wrong way. I had to get stuck with bitchass evolution. Pfft...

[@justaguy6216]

@Chemysterious It's satire bro, I know we evolved hence we have imperfections in our bodies that's just a result of natural processes. Ffs please try to see the humour.

[@roylogan8137]

@Chemysterious I'm pretty sure he's being sarcastic.

[@coffeeandbytes9854]

@Chemysterious Ok, what's the reason for having biological / anatomical imperfections that cause suffering?

[@littyblissed2004]

@@coffeeandbytes9854 we missed Gods plan A from Adam on down to us. This is why we have pain and lack.

[@Arun-MM]

Creationist logic: Satan kills 5 or 6 people: BAD GUY God kills everyone EXCEPT 5 or 6 people: obviously GOOD GUY

[@shanewilson7994]

+ajs1031 and with Yahweh's permission

[@tylerjones6683]

bleeeeeaccch

[@hb6831]

Poor troll.

[@darthutah6649]

elisha orders a monster to kill 100 children because they mocked his baldness: good guy

[@hb6831]

Darth Utah 66 Hitler and Stalin were firm believers in evolutionism. Racism, eugenics, massacres and genocides are completely OK in the atheist worldview, because morals are relative/subjective since we're all just a blob of chemicals, an accident (according to the darwinian cult).

[@mrloop1530]

Suggesting that "the rejection of God's existence" should require some sort of evidence, is a ludicrous idea. If anyone can show me some evidence to reject The Pink Unicorn's existence, I will be happy to use the same method to prove the non-existence of this God-character. The problem with religious people is, that they assume the default-position to be a belief in a mythological figure.

[@Jadinandrews]

There is actually more proof for the existence of Santa than god, well at least to a child anyway.

[@omarrphillips9710]

King James Version www.biblegateway.com/audio/mclean/kjv/Ezek.1 Revelation 22:18-19 This Book Exodus 24:7 The Book One Job 6:10 Matthew 13:15 For This People's Heart John 20:22 Receive The Holy Ghost Matthew 13:16 But Blessed are Your Eyes, for they See: And Your Ears, For They Hear. Light Genesis 1:3 1 John 5:7 The Holy Ghost Zechariah 14:9 His name One One Genesis 41:25 Matthew 11:9 But What went ye out For to see? A prophet? Yea, I say unto you, And More than a Prophet. Ezekiel 31:18 This is Pharaoh Revelation 1:18 I am he Pharaoh Romans 9:17 it Matthew 13:11-12 it Exodus 16:14-16 Omer Acts 8:6 Philip Daniel 2:31-38 Thou Art This Head Of Gold Daniel 4:17 it The Basest of men John 1:49 The Son of God Ezekiel 10:20 Living Matthew 12:49 And He Stretched Forth His Hand Psalm 95:7 To Day Matthew 11:30 For My yoke is Easy, And My burden is Light. Ezekiel 20:20 And Hallow my Sabbaths Light Genesis 1:5 Day Matthew 12:6 Is One Greater Acts 10:44 The Holy Ghost Light 1 John 1:5 John 1:1 The Word Light John 1:6-13 Name Zechariah 14:9 His name One Acts 13:2 The Holy Ghost Light Psalm 119:105 Acts 10:45 The Gift of The Holy Ghost Light Genesis 1:5 Day Acts 10:46 Magnify God. Deuteronomy 6:4 One Lord Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 Fear God Revelation 22:9 Worship God images.app.goo.gl/8eiYgsHWScZNGfBL8 images.app.goo.gl/uE1iPGaZizs1dgDy5

[@jamesleon4883]

Theism was the dominant position. Atheism isn’t scientific in any way either. It comes form a position of belief that there is no evidence. The only logical position is agnosticism. When you narrow down an atheist thought process they just believe in nothingness and randomness.

[@normgreen8058]

@@omarrphillips9710 That's not evidence for anything.

[@charlestownsend9280]

@@jamesleon4883 agnosticism and atheism are the same thing, it's the position that there is no evidence for the existence of a god/s, atheists just make the correct assessment that if there is no evidence and until there is any evidence then there is no god, just like there is no unicorns or dragons or ghosts or psychics or objects that move faster than light or flying spaghetti monsters, etc, if there's no evidence the logical conclusion isn't that it could be either real or not, it's well right now based on all the evidence it's not real.

[@hughjazz4936]

Trying to beat christians with logic is like playing chess against a chicken. It'll shit on the board and strut away like it won.

[@clysen8234]

Hahaha in the nutshell!

[@tylerjones6683]

Bix oh hello bix! knew that name was familiar, you still didn't respond to me or troll's comments.

[@kevg3320]

At least you can then eat the chicken. Sadly, some ridiculous legal and social laws don't allow that for Christians!

[@tommysommer5651]

oh oh, so i had made a mistake...

[@tsarnicholasii274]

Creationism and Christianity are different.

[@BartAlder]

_Religious education_ is an oxymoron.

[@tastyloaf5487]

Just like Microsoft Works ;D

[@lanaschmidt2424]

XD XD XD

[@deebonash1495]

Evolutionist belief = that you and they came from a monkey that came from a fish. That came from a soup, that came from a rock, that came from an explosion, that came from nothing..... that happened billions and billions years long ago and far away... Tax funded brainwash..

[@Qwee-ct9zo]

@@deebonash1495 That's not it but yes believe your wrong version of evolution.

[@deebonash1495]

@@Qwee-ct9zo well then. You're belief is wrong... provide one example of darwinian evolution. Just to prove there is not ONE example Of a kind of creature turning into another. That IS was evolution teaching. Dont talk vomit out the mouth now

[@yonatanlinik562]

I saw someone who said: Words exist God is a word Therefore god exists o_0

[@WeiYinChan]

Just replace the word "God" with "allah" or "Odin" or "unicorn" and see what happens

[@bunnieskitties293]

You put Odin before almighty Posiden? You best start flying to your destination, for your next boat trip is destined to be sunk by the Krakken.

[@WeiYinChan]

Bunnies Kitties Ha! Poseidon doesn't exist! Odin does! If Odin didn't exist why are we hearing stories about him existing? And the stories are true because Odin exist and he wouldn't make up false stories. Poseidon has the same evidence, but Odin the true one because that's what I was told first! Prepare to go to Helheim you unbeliever!

[@TheHonestRoger]

Odin promised to rid the world of frost giants. I don't see any frost giants around.

[@WeiYinChan]

TheHonestRoger Because the frost giants are already gotten rid off.... I don't have any support for that but I will claim so nonetheless.

[@Horrortelltales]

If Billy's son have cancer and is about to die, Billy and his wife pray to god to save their kid. If god the almighty fails to hear their prayers and Billy's son does die, then Billy tell his wife "Don't worry honey, god wants his angel back to heaven". If Billy's son may survive thanks to the doctors, Billy tell his wife "thanks to the lord for our sons survival honey, this wouldn't happened without our almighty god!". Billy is really confused.

[@Jambuc829]

Caped Baldy yes you can

[@Jambuc829]

Caped Baldy Sometimes the cancer goes away look up cancer survivors. chiefs Free safety had cancer and he still plays in the NFL.

[@shelligunter6627]

SweDawgTv, you are the one that's really confused.

[@Nebulousss]

And if Billy's son survives but get brain damage and can't even speak properly, then it's because god wants them to learn from this situation and he wants them to be stronger.

[@applejackmccrack5383]

Billy begins to wonder why they even pray in the first place.

[@Jedilord882]

Why are Christians on this video trying to bash stuff that has been proven fact and is observable? Are you guys that scared that we'll continue to disprove your cult? You shouldn't be scared, you should be faithful LOL.

[@lawrencestanley8989]

The scientific method is experimental, observational, and repeatable. A scientific investigator, be he ever so resourceful and brilliant, can neither observe nor repeat origins. This means that though it is important to have a philosophy of origins, it can only be achieved by faith. Science is simply a method to obtain knowledge, but it will never be able to answer all things. The scientific method is not the most fundamental form of knowledge, as it presupposes other truths such as metaphysics, apprehension, reason, and logic. The scientific method is built upon the limitations of experiments, and since there aren’t an infinite number of experiments that can be conducted, scientific knowledge can never cross the threshold of absolute knowledge. Science cannot answer the questions of cosmogony. Philosophical naturalism has invalidated itself from metaphysical inquiry by denying super-natural explanations a priori. Naturalism has no credibility in the field of metaphysics, and yet scientists and philosophers who hold materialistic and anti-supernatural presuppositions biases continue to transgress the limitations of their discipline. The problem with the purely scientific explanation of our origins is that science assumes that everything that can be known, can be known through the scientific method, but science has no ability to explain the supernatural. Every scientist will admit that at the origins of the universe (where everything supposedly existed as a singularity) the laws of physics break down - the very definition of the supernatural. Try as it may to explain our origins, science can only speculate. Granted, science speculates with impressive sounding mathematics and complicated theories, but unless those theories line up with observable reality and can be tested, then the mathematical formulae and theories are all just so much fiction.

[@Jedilord882]

Lawrence Stanley Science still proves to be the most reliable source of information EVEN THOUGH IT CAN'T ANSWER EVERYTHING CURRENTLY. Religion insists the gaps it cant fill in must be of God, but science continues to fill in those gaps with hardcore evidence, logical assumptions, and fully thought-out and proven conclusions. For instance, centuries ago people thought the Earth was flat and the center of our universe . . . guess who proved it wrong in every aspect?

[@seanarmstrong1156]

Lawrence Stanley Wrong, science is observable ONLY in the sense that the evidence has to be observable. But science is also built upon INFERENCES. For example - we can observe DNA. We can sequence the genomes of different species. These are observable evidence. From here, science can INFER that evolution is the best explanatory model to explain the genomic differences + similarities between species. You are assuming right now that science cannot infer the past, and that is wrong. Science CAN indeed infer the past, using observable evidence. And finally - BEFORE YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT REPLYING: here's what you need to do: go get a bachelors degree in life science first. Go get a BSc. I don't care if you still deny evolution or disagree with me. I DON'T CARE. Just go get a degree first. Go get a basic degree AND THEN we will talk. Why am i doing this? Because at this point, i have no interest to talk to people who don't even have a basic undergraduate degree in life science. I just don't. *Failure to go get an undergrad degree will only tell me that you have no real interest to make an effort to learn about this topic*.

[@lawrencestanley8989]

ZTPDrake7Kid Science is not a source of information, it is a tool for interpreting data. Furthermore, science is not unbiased in its interpretations since men are the ones who are doing the interpreting. Well all have the same data - the same rocks, the same fossils, and the same stars, but it is the differences in our paradigms that inform our conclusions. You claim that religionists impose God into any gap in information, but at least in the examples that you provided, nowhere in the Bible does it say that the earth is flat or that the earth is the center of the universe, so I do not follow your logic in the examples you provided. You seem to be making a common error though of imposing your ignorance, and the ignorance of science upon all who espouse as answer to problems that scientific tools are not designed to address - the questions of cosmogony for example. Atheists make another error known as "atheism of the gaps." When they do not read the Bible, or if there is a gap in their understanding of the Bible (such as thinking that the Bible says that the earth is flat and at the center of the universe), they automatically assume that there is no God. In truth, atheism is an indefensible position, destroyed by plain reason.

[@lawrencestanley8989]

Sean Armstrong I love the condescending nature of your post as revealed in the last line. You know, I hear atheists tell me all the time that they can be moral without God. Is this an example of ungodly morality? Because if it is, I do hope that you do not teach your children to condescend those with whom you disagree. And let me also give you a similar challenge. Go get a Theological Degree before you make any conclusions about the existence of God. Go learn Greek and dive into years of Textual Criticism, study proper Biblical Hermaneutics and comparative religion. KNOW what you are talking about before you make any guesses about a topic that is foreign to you. While you're at it, study philosophy for extra credit and learn how we came into post-modern thinking that acts as the driving force behind modern atheism. Do you think that I am uneducated simply because I disagree with you? That sounds like a schoolyard taunt. Who knows, maybe that is what is taught in schools these days. True, science observes evidence (data) and then makes inferences and draws conclusions based on that data. But as I have said in another post, "Science is not a source of information, it is a tool for interpreting data. Furthermore, science is not unbiased in its interpretations since men are the ones who are doing the interpreting. Well all have the same data - the same rocks, the same fossils, and the same stars, but it is the differences in our paradigms that inform our conclusions." Here's an example, you observe DNA and sequence genomes, and then the naturalist infers that evolution is at work. The Christian observes DNA and sequences genomes, and then infers that a common designer is at work. The difference? Paradigms.

[@robtierney5653]

I never knew what to make of the mindset of a creationist until I met one. I realized in the first few minutes of conversation that she had been unquestionably indoctrinated by religious people, who had taught her irrational and unsubstantiated ideas, disguised and presented as counter logic and reason. It's the sort of situation where people can believe in the idea of "alternative facts." I spun my wheels a lot trying to explain to her what evolution actually is, and what are some known, and believed influences on mutations that lead to diversity over millions of years. Her natural tendency was to suggest that any lapse in knowledge, from a scientific view, was a proof of a flawed idea. In the end, the best approach was to explain to her an automobile. It's complex, you understand how to change the oil, but might not know how to build those engine components.. I told her, your religious upbringing attacks evolution the same way an ignorant person would suggest a car can't work, because the chemical and metal alloys, how pressure, pistols, and design of the engine is complicated. And I told her, rather then study how the engine works to turn the wheels... Your people suggest it's magical and might as well fly. I added that the oil you put in that car, started millions of years ago.. from other complex but still answerable questions... That's evolution, a long complex process with some common sense happenings...

[@zacgalfinakis9195]

Man, I gotta stop my not-smoking habit.

[@HaydenLau.]

zachary odell You need to get help for that

[@junmjud6737]

I BELIEVE EVERYTHING CAME FROM NOTHING MY SCHOOL TAUGHT ME THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T CONTROL WHAT YOU LEARN AT ALL I HATE THE BIBLE. WHAT IS SIN??? DID GOD REALLY SAY I MUST NOT EAT FROM ANY TREE IN THE GARDEN?? HAHAHA ITS SO NORMAL GUILT IS AN ILLUSION THE CHRISTIAN GOD IS A EVIL BADMAN CAUSE HE PUNISHED PEOPLE FOR THEIR SINS I LOVE MY SIN AND I MOCK ONLY THE FOLLOWERS OF THE RELIGION BUT NOT WHAT THE RELIGION ACTUALLY SAYS AND A TALKING SNAKE? CAUSE ITS LIKE A FAIRYTALE IT ISNT REAL IT COULDNT HAPPEN GOD DOES NOT HAVE SUPERNATURAL POWER BECAUSE WE CANT OBSERVE IT IF HE WAS REAL HE WOULD WANT US TO KNOW UTTERLY RIGHT? NOT BY FAITH THATS MAINSTREAM MEDIA FAIRYTALE STUFF MY REPUTATION IS TOO GREAT TO LOSE

[@dominiqueorellana7454]

@@junmjud6737 bro calm your ass down LOL why are you so mad at God? It's ridiculous😂

[@theoffchannel2054]

Would they let me be a doctor with my nonmedical degree?

[@logicfrogmedia]

@@junmjud6737 I'm praying for you junm jud. GOD BLESS

[@a5noble2]

I used to be a christian and would argue with atheists all the time... now that I'm an atheist I still have yet to get into a debate with a christian. Kinda bummed out since I lost all the debates when I was religious, hoping I'd get some free wins on this side.

[@9432515]

Alan Noble sooo, you're a loser. now cut that out. no really...atheists ultimately cry "hope please!" "God please!" in the end. you know it :)...everybody's a critic til the end.

[@a5noble2]

9432515 what the hell are you talking about? You're making no sense at all. And you shouldn't make your youtube name the same as your phone number, thats just common sense.

[@Johnclewes]

Alan Noble LOL.

[@yaezek]

Alan Noble As you can see in your answers, god's believers spread love everywhere...

[@Arrestthatthief]

Alan Noble Eh, I'll humour you. I'll take the role of the Christian, ask away (or what would you have me ask you). Let's have a healthy discussion! (Or "get you some free wins") Just a heads-up though: being the fallible man that I am, ad hominems (specifically in these debates) and name calling really tend to annoy me and make me think a person who resorts to them clearly isn't worth my time. Don't make me regret this, please.

[@riparianlife97701]

If God made man out of mud, why is there still mud?

[@pdoylemi]

I have never seen mud - prove it exists :-)

[@riparianlife97701]

Pat Doyle Are you stuck in one of those Al-Gore-induced fraud droughts?

[@pdoylemi]

Docktor Jim As a true believer I will admit to the existence of wet soil, but you can't prove that was what the Bible means by "mud" :-)

[@riparianlife97701]

Pat Doyle www.survivalmonkey.com/threads/adam-and-eve-baby-pictures.51083/

[@pdoylemi]

Docktor Jim LOL! I had to bookmark that one!

[@MrGerdbrecht]

#2 "You cant prove evolution" - There are proves, you just dont like them. Next.

[@petarpetrovic8133]

XDD very argumented.Next

[@stevieduggan1763]

You can prove "evolution" it's just that the god squad won't take off their god goggles.

[@Aroniyahu]

I would like to see said proofs and be able to reproduce them for myself, as science demands.

[@devilsadvocacy]

Flaws in the scientific method aren’t arguments in favor of religion. Religion is nothing but a cop-out, an admission that one isn’t up to the intellectual rigor required to consider the question of how we really got here

[@docdrew87]

I wish my eyes were intelligently designed. I gotta wear glasses. Creationism fail!

[@SR2XO]

Plus blind-spots, easy retinal detachment, retinas installed upside down, blood vessels and nerves going over optic cells instead of bellow...ect.

[@royms2000]

I just wonder why if we're god's prime creation, the whole world created just for us, why the hell did he give the best set of eyes in the animal kingdom to a species of shrimp?

[@snowthemegaabsol6819]

The earliest "eyes" may have only been capable of responding to light [or heat, any sort of excitation that isn't too strong] in a way that doesn't even send a lot of signals to the brain, perhaps only that something is in front of them. But as evolution does, eyes slowly and slowly became better as their inclusion on some species greatly increased their rate of survival. Eventually you would have changes that include the eye's ability to discern direction, perhaps by attaching more nerves to what you might call a retina. Incoming light creates excitations on a few of these nerves at a time, which the brain could interpret as direction. Over even more time, as you would have organisms regularly living in areas of light conditions that alternate between intense and dim, the eye would have needed a way to regulate incoming light. Likely many failed natural experiments later, you would have an eye with an iris, or something like it. In the presence of light, this iris would close or open a small hole, that we now know as the pupil. This reaction in some organisms may actually have been moderated all by the central nervous system, but as of now it's almost all reflexive. This makes sense, as too much light entering too quickly can fry your retina. The lens structure in there can also be damaged. Time goes on, and the mechanisms of the eye really haven't changed that much. But because simple vision was so useful and was an essential part of the survival of the ancestors we had that have eyes like us, our brains started to devote more and more biological resources to sight in general, allowing it to interpret images from this incoming light to create highly nuanced images. The eye evolves like every other part of the body. By luck, by design, or whatever, a part of the body that proves itself useful to survival will eventually, under the stress of evolutionary pressure, cause it to change, and anything beneficial that helps that species survive even better, is kept in the gene pool so long as that change is allowed to spread. This is why major functions in our body such as the eyes, our digestive and respiratory systems, nervous systems, and especially our brains, have a lot of biological space dedicated to them. Even our ability to sweat is very well developed, since it enabled hunters to catch pray that otherwise outran them.

[@jwsanders1214]

Yes the more "evolved" we become , the worse our physical condition becomes. Second law of thermodynamics. But at creation , before sin entered the equation, everything was flawless

[@JaneDoe-pr8do]

You gotta remember, that ancient book claims Jesus healed the blind, walked on water, turned water into wine. So much magic. If anyone believes, I know where you can get swamp land real cheap. Good comment doc 👍

[@chrissidiras]

I am really jealous of Americans having a country founded by such intelligent men, the founding fathers. It is a pity that today most of Americans have no clue about them.

[@chrissidiras]

Off course I am. It doesn't matter whether it was signed 200 or 2000 years ago, as long it still has legal validity. I know there have been some reformations, but most of the central ideas are the same. Have you ever checked greece's constitution? In the beginning it reads "Εις το όνομα της Αγίας και Αδιεραίτου Τριάδας", which means "In the name of the Holy and Undivisable Trinity".

[@kennethconger467]

+Chris Oliva When England formed the Anglican church and rejected Catholic rule, the Vatican incited the Spanish, French and Irish to make war on them. The English Monarchy, which was the head of the church, had no tolerance for Catholics or any other sects that didn't recognise their authority. The founding fathers, most of them anyways, realized that a secular government might avoid the problems of both monarchies and theocracies that created so much persecution, suffering and death in Europe. It is truly sad to hear some Americans demand that we return to the theocracy that we never were and were never meant to be.

[@chrissidiras]

Kenneth Conger Well said my friend, well said.

[@pamryan9696]

+Chris Oliva Meanwhile in the UK, we still have a Defender of the Faith. It is silly. We are pretty secular in general but I hear Prince Charles wants to be known as the Defender of All Faiths even though not a one of them deserves defending. Also, (since we're whinging about our home countries) too many people in this country dress up like idiots when foreign dignatories visit. I envy nations who don't pull that shit.

[@Kwippy]

+Chris Oliva The American constitutional separation of church and state is a very wise, very great thing that every nation should copy. Ironically, there is no chance of a non-Christian becoming president of the US. Meanwhile in the UK where church and state have fundamental close links, during election you virtually never hear about what faith the candidates are. There are muslim in MPs and in the house of lords, and I'm pretty sure a number of atheists also. I hate the idea that important laws and political decisions could be made based on religious principles.

[@ralphbernhard1757]

True believer: "God exists". Me: "Prove it" True believer: "I can't and don't have to...So there, baaaaah." Me: "There are aliens living on the dark side of the moon..and they are going to invade tomorrow." True believer: "BS, you just made that up...prove it!" Me: 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Jadinandrews]

haha, I use something mundane now. I just tell them that Susan said they are wrong. Then they are like well who is Susan, and why should I care what she says? Me: touche.

[@joshferns7114]

you cant land on the moon. the moon landing was a hoax filmed in a studio

[@HexaFrog]

@@joshferns7114 no

[@joshferns7114]

@@HexaFrog there are so many proofs that man never landed on the moon. You are a fool to believe. Scientists say moon causes tides on earth which is so mny thousands of km away but its so weak to hold down astronauts when they were on the moon?

[@joshferns7114]

@@Jadinandrews its a fact aliens dont exist. Its a government propaganda that aliens exists into denying God

[@witsze3]

god didn't create people, people created god

[@elvijus]

Nice one. Take my like :)

[@skafan89]

people created false gods like zeus but the true God of the bible created all people first

[@rufuguru]

skafan89 Common creationist logic, "God X is wrong, but my god is the right god!"

[@witsze3]

skafan89 so you think that dinosaurs and people lived together ?

[@skafan89]

wit bat there is prove of this yes , but "the scienceist" claim that if all fake . mostly because it would ruin there lie that they embrace. but there also human foot prints found in the same strata as dinosaurs , but of coarse thats just fake to they say lol

[@FloatingFireworks]

This video has so much 2000's youtube energy that no meme account or AI could ever emulate.

[@NLJeffEU]

And guess what 10 years later and this video is still spot on 😂👍

[@AZOffRoadster]

My favorite gods are Zeus, Thor, and Ra. Yeah, my background is in Astronomy and Meteorology.

[@55Quirll]

I thought they were Marvel Comics and Stargate

[@victorselve8349]

@@55Quirll Hallowed are the Ori.

[@anonymocha]

Mine is the Flying Spaghetti Monster and Dionysus. Great seeing people with different beliefs in the same place!

[@thrownswordpommel7393]

Mine are Osiris, Mercurius and Loki. I'm studying law and economics.

[@Brainbuster]

I'm a Christian, and I just don't get creationism. We have direct proof of evolution all around us. Every month, new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than a hypothesis, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies-which was neither planned nor sought-constitutes in itself a strong argument in favor of the theory. There is undeniable proof of evolution, yet so many people disregard it.

[@DoctorZisIN]

Creationists want to appear as if theirs is the only Christian world view. They appropriate God to themselves and present this false dichotomy: "It's the Bible vs. Evolution" or even more arrogant: "It's God vs. Evolution" when in reality it is: "our particular interpretation of the Bible vs. Evolution, history, science, reason, all other Christians, etc." The nerve of these people knows no bounds.

[@wolfman2177]

Exactly, thank you.

[@LnLwLDD]

If you don't believe in the bible then why would you want to be a xian? Love under conditions isn't love.

[@msheehandub]

Being raised Roman Catholic and now living in Muslim country for the last two years.. Its obvious to me man made 'God'. Nothing good comes from religion as we are seeing today. It only separates and stigmatizes. Man Im so relieved to have opened up to science and evolution. THAT makes sense!

[@jc41457]

You do realize that alot of what tge elites of tge catholic church teach is false doctrine? Maybe you should actually read the bible yourself instead of following men who say they represent god. Mohamed wrote the koran himself. He died and he never came back. The bible is written by 40 men over 1500 years and it does not conflict with itself yet proficies of christ were fulfilled hundreds of them..christ died and came back to life 3 days later and then ascended into the sky. Christ had hundreds and thousands of eye witnesses of his miracles in his ministry. Jesus is the way the truth and the life john 14 6. We all have personable accountability to the choices we make. Being lazy and not researching and understanding the bible is one such choice. Dont be surprized if a human lets you down if you never verified your questions through reading the word yourself. The world is full of false religions and self promoting people looking to deceive in exchange for money and power. Athiest scientists do this as well.

[@membersonly807]

@@jc41457 go back to school

[@doomguy7488]

Science brings people together

[@barlart]

Xman - you mean there is true DOCTRINE? Doctrine implies lies.

[@datamasked623]

I can't tell you how much it pisses me off that we still have to have this fucking "debate" in 2014 in the United States.

[@imtinsbrother]

Unable to give our point of view without resulting to vulgarities are we? It is not clear from your post which side of the debate you support, just that you are not able to intelligently express yourself without rolling in the gutter. So very sad.

[@datamasked623]

Brad Ster It is sad that adults think there is validity to the proposition that a God created everything. Take your "intelligent disagreement" with that and shove it up your ass. I'm tired of debating something that isn't really debatable. Creation vs Evolution is NOT a valid debate. One is falsifiable, the other is not (at least in the minds of it's adherents). Period. If it can't be wrong, it's meaningless. I'm sick of Creationists and their idiocy. It actually does put me in a bad mood to listen to simpletons who think it's plausible that an invisible old man living on a cloud that transcends time and space had a hand in the creation of the universe. If they care to provide some empirical, measurable evidence supporting their claim that such a being is real, great...present it. Until then, keep your mouths shut.

[@jacoblawrence8771]

Eric Pederson Atheists are always butt hurt about something. It's ok to brainwash with their theories but if some one goes against there theory then you must be a moron. I bet they can't even sleep at night knowing some one believes in God. Get over it!

[@Johnclewes]

Jacob Lawrence In a funny kind of way you are right,i cant get to sleep for laughing.!!!! lol

[@TheMasonX23]

Jacob Lawrence Religious fanatics are much more butthurt about athiesm than the other way around. And they freak out much more knowing someone believes in a different God than them than athiests loose sleep over knowing people still stubbornly cling to God. When's the last time someone flew an airplane into a building for science, or suicide bombed a busy market for atheism?

[@TheMajesticSeaPancake]

To be fair "two naked people and a talking snake" sounds like the start of a great weekend.

[@deadaccount3535]

Has anybody read this book where this father starts hearing voices in his head that tell him to kill his son? The books name is the Bible and it's a very gruesome story book based on half truths!

[@Barcs]

I doubt it even contains half truths. More like pure speculation.

[@kit3351]

You know god was just testing him right? He never actually killed his son.

[@thegreatkilljoy1730]

Shimmy Pig still God to make them go to the mental trauma of doing so. imagine most valuable thing in the world to you and you have to kill it XD and you call him kind PS this whole story could be bullshit, and none of this happened

[@resourcedragon]

Any half-way decent person would say that if God were testing Abraham that Abraham would have _passed_ the test if he'd said to God, "Fuck off! There is no way I am going to kill my son, or _any_ child for you. You are an evil old creep if you think anyone should sacrifice children to you."

[@respectfulgamer7232]

Yeah, if anything, THAT should be the proper way of passing the "test".

[@dylanwight5764]

The evolutionist vs creationist debate in a nutshell: Creationist: You atheists are illogical. You say the universe just popped into existence, yet you also claim that something must always comes from something else Atheist: Yes, yes we do Creationist: But doesn't that prove the existence of God Atheist: Not at all. There is no observable evidence that has not been so thoroughly debunked over time and responsive tests to ever assert the existence of God within the confines out our universe. Creationist: So you *do* believe God exists? Atheist: We do not disregard the possibility, but we have determined that if God does exist, it is not within this universe. Creationist: Aha! God exists because you cannot disprove him. Atheist: No. God does not exist because we cannot prove him. We only presume a physical law if it holds up to testing. The argument for God always fails in face of the scientific method. The notion of God is not a scientific, universal law. We cannot test his existence, so we have determined he is nothing more than a notion as far as this universe is concerned. Until we have verifiable evidence, we cannot accept his existence. Creationist: You want verifiable evidence? Just look in the Good Book! It's right there! Atheist: Okay, you've now accepted the burden of proof. Now verify those claims. Creationist: That's impossible. Atheist: Why? Creationist: Because... because my faith's scripture was written thousands of years ago my anonymous sources and cannot be scientifically tested. Atheist: That's right. Your sources are unreliable because you cannot test them. We only deal in testable claims. God does not exist... inside this universe. That's our claim, and it is based on what we can observe in this universe. So far, it seems to be the most likely state of existence. Yes, God may exist, but as we can find no evidence to support this claim outside of unverifiable sources. This is why we don't consider your scripture to be a good case for the existence of God. Creationist: But you admit the possibility? Atheist: We are always open to receiving new information that may be verified under scrutiny which may change our universal understanding, yes. But until that is provided and verified, we will stick with what we have determined to be the most likely physical state of existence. And that is that there is no God in this universe. He may exist outside of it, but that is not our domain. Extra-universal existence is simply conceptual. We neither prove nor disprove it, so we largely leave it out of our work. Creationist: So if I provided evidence that supported the existence of God, and it held up to scrutiny, you would be willing to change your understanding of the universe. Atheist: Yes. Creationist: Then just look in the Good Book, my friend! Atheist: No. We've already been over this. Creationist: You're impossible! Atheist: If you say so. Ladies and gentlemen, this is why children need to be taught in science only what can be verified by testing. This is why creationism should never be a subject taught in schools as truth. It leads to rather... unbalanced views on known existence.

[@ShadowManceri]

That explains rather well the most common atheist position. Good job.

[@bo1bo1bo1unlosode]

Dylan Wight why an evolutionist can't be someone who trust in god?

[@dylanwight5764]

True, an evolutionist can also be a theist, and I was stereotyping somewhat here. The fact remains, however, that creationists tend to be theists, thus the obvious theistic mentions throughout my "debate" here.

[@bo1bo1bo1unlosode]

Well...in Europe like everyone is evolutionist and there are a lot theist in europe...

[@dylanwight5764]

The way I see it: You can be a theist and still be an evolutionist. that just means you're not a fundamentalist. However, you can't be a creationist and an atheist. Creationism denotes a belief is some Superior Being indistinguishable from a god figure.

[@shorethings5456]

"Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon - it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory." Scott Weitzenhoffer

[@ketsune23]

You dont need to be a creationist to disprove evolution ( I'm not criationist) but i agree with your comment creationist and religion are an escape from critical thinking

[@gabwestd9304]

This is funny. I'm an open minded believer, but in the right ways. I believe in evolution. I think that most passages in the bible are more for things you should live by rather than believe. For example, don't murder. That's.... heavily simple and something to live by. I also don't think Noah's Ark actually happened and if it did, that there is a naturalistic possibility such as like a flood in like a small area rather than the world. Or, it's just a story someone came up with. Its also wierd because the person who came up with evolution was a believer in God.

[@ketsune23]

@@gabwestd9304 you dont need the Bible or the Quran or any other Holy Book to have morals values like "dont kill" ect many centuries before Christianity and Judaism many civilizations knew tha killing was wrong. My biggest problem with theism is the existence of evil and caos. If God is love and cares about us why He needs to write books to tell us what He wants? Why He needs to hide so much and dont show up? Why he dont do anything when an animal or a person is screaming in a middle of a fire and has no escape from dead. This are the real questions. I dont think the Bible is "inspired" but I do believe it has many historical facts. So many questions to answer. Religion supress your critical thinking and has always the answer for everything. If they dont they will say things like " God think that is not important for us to know" or "It's God's will" ect. I also believe that religion manipulate people and supress their own personality and make them think and act in a exact way.

[@AjaxWallpapers]

Every theist is an Atheist to all other gods than the one he/she was taught to believe in!!

[@pascalarancibia5199]

Nathaniel Jeanson, a PhD in cell and developmental biology from Harvard University proves in his book *"Replacing Darwin: The New Origin of Species"* the biblical origin of the human race (2017): answersingenesis.org/bios/nathaniel-jeanson/

[@AjaxWallpapers]

@@pascalarancibia5199 how many peer reviews??

[@LapisOverlord]

@@pascalarancibia5199 answeringenesis is a horrible source. don't waste your time using that site in your argument it's not working

[@pascalarancibia5199]

@@LapisOverlord The Aswers Research Journal (ARJ) is a professional, peer-reviewed technical journal for the publication of interdisciplinary scientific and other relevant research from the perspective of the recent Creation and the global Flood within a biblical framework. Please, read the "Instructions to Authors Manual" for all details of requirements, procedures, paper mechanics, referencing style, and the technical review process for submitted papers: answersingenesis.org/answers/research-journal/about/

[@LapisOverlord]

@@pascalarancibia5199 You cannot be a scientific journal if you use the bible as evidence. They might be peer reviewed, but only by other creationists, not actual scientists.

[@basfromoakwood4986]

Humans did not evolve from contemporary monkeys, we just share a similar ancestor.

[@Zanta100]

i highly disagree creationists did come from monkeys... even tho they failed the evolution part

[@Thebuilderofthings1]

The difference between religious logic and conventional logic... Conventional Logic: "I have a pen." "Oh yeah?" Prove it." "Here it is." "Oh, I guess you're right." Religious logic: "I have a pen." "Oh yeah?" Prove it." "Prove to me I don't."

[@rogerroger5649]

"I don't know" - 3 of the dirtiest words in all of Christianity that, when put together, constitute the most rejected bane of any religious persons existence.

[@pizzedahff3127]

Whereas "I don't know" are the three most powerful words in the language to a scientist. "I don't know" that? Let's figure it out.

[@WilbertLek]

Funny how science and "religion" are each other opposites....

[@segments2156]

The first law of thermodynamic is "you do not talk about thermodynamic" The second law of thermodynamic is "you DO NOT talk about thermodynamic"

[@nicholemoore2448]

Nice Fight Club reference :) I know technically I'm breaking the rules by mentioning it, but I was never part of that club anyway. Interesting though how there's more sound evidence to support that a scenario like Fight Club could actually exist, than there is to support the existence of a super natural god.

[@bms77]

They forgot Pascal's wager "what if yer wrong?" The dumbest one of them all

[@bms77]

+ajs1031 oh.... Thank you

[@jc41457]

No this question is very important. Just because an athiest professes to have unequivecal knowledge that god does not exist and has man made theories for the big bang and evolution does not mean the athiest is actually correct. The bible says that the fool says in his heart that there is no god. God offers everyone salvation and love. The athiests reject his love and gift of salvation. God is hurt by this not in the sense that god has lost something but because the athiest looses much and god understands this perfectly. This whole video presentation was baseless and full of conjecture. Quoteing some leading evolution scientist on his opinion on creationism vs the evolution theory is complete stupidity with no fact or truth. If your evolutionary theory is truth then why arent new simple cell organisms being created in the laboratory every day by these super geniuses! Lol. Man has never created life and never will. Nor will life ever spring from nothing even if you had an open system with every form of radiation or energy or matter you want to add to it. Your claims are so without truth it is hilarious. Again the scientific community has never proven the evolution theory and hence why it is not a law of science that is repeatable in a laboratory. But yet you declare it to be truth! Just incredibly self righteous of you isnt it? Its your choice if you choose truth over fiction to live or perish. John 3 16.

[@jc41457]

@Laura Streeter well lets see...jesus is the only human and is god who did the miracles that he did, died n three days later rose from the grave and then did more miracles and went up into the sky. The bible is written by 40 people and there is no conflict or falseness in it. Islam n buddism are written by 1 person who died and never came back. The indian religions such as the hindus believe in millions of gods. Yea right... lol Ill put my life in jesus over all the other false religions any day. No comparison really.

[@jc41457]

@Laura Streeter the holy bible is written over 1500 yrs by 40 different people. Jesus fulfilled hundreds of profecies identified hundreds of years prior to his birth. The idea that the almighty god does not have the capability to convey all of that thru those people in that way and hence is the meaning of scripture is ridiculous. If u just look at the probabilities of jesus fulfilling 8 of those profecies u would realize that what he did was impossible but only possible because he is god. There were thousands of eye witnesses of jesus n what he did in his ministry. Much like evolution or geology or big bang theorys if u wait until uve found the complete evidence of what u are trying to prove it will be too late for u. It is faith. God set it up that way for a reason. He does not want robots he wants real people who love him. If thats asking too much then i guess ull have plenty of company as the new testament describes. But thats on u not him or me. Im trying to help all you athiests. Knowledge, intelligence, n technology is not the answer. We are all sinners but god loves all of us. God is the answer. Humans are not. I realize in our modern world this is a hard sell for non believers but it is what it is.

[@jc41457]

@Laura Streeter Laura u believe what u chose to believe that is ultimately on you. I will believe the holy bible 100%. As revelations point out i will walk the solid gold streets of heaven one day n be in complete paradise while u if u do not repent n believe in jesus will be in never ending torments commensurate with ur deeds on earth in hell. God bless you and may the holy spirit work in you so you eventually believe. The fathers will is that everyone believe in jesus n be saved. You are included because like me god chose you in the beginning a long time ago.

[@ShinimagisFTW]

Guys I'm from 2099 creationist are still using these 10 arguments

[@ShinimagisFTW]

ajs1031 I almost giggled when you called the bible a perfect book.

[@gilbert6181]

King Tetsumaki We have been told that the end is near, tell has it happened already?

[@ShinimagisFTW]

Gilberto Santiago nope. But the Christians now claim climate change is what the bible was prophecizing all along.

[@zmzmzmr2]

wasn't the end of times suppose to happen to Jesus own generation? i think they forgot to set their calander

[@ShinimagisFTW]

zmzmzmr2 The end times seem to be every generation.

[@devonharris5936]

I used to believe in God and I thought that evolution was the dumbest idea i'd ever heard. Although, that was before I actually knew how evolution worked. I _would_ say that anyone who disbelieves evolution simply doesn't adequately know what it is, however, I have no doubt that people manage to do that as well.

[@tedmccarron]

Dr. Richard Lumsden of Tulane University was an atheist and professor of evolution who used to think that creationism in the belief in God in the Bible were very stupid. Then after Critical examination he realized how completely flawed and then sensical the theory of evolution was. You can look up some of his videos on KZbin.

[@derwolf9670]

@@tedmccarron Argument No 6

[@petarpetrovic8133]

Im studying biology, i advise you to think twice, forget the science which made few people, representing them selves like they are smart. Just look around you ok? Do you really think that our ancestors are organic molecules?

[@Psy0psAgent]

@@tedmccarron or was he a prick like Lex Luthor or Moriarty that knew religious people didn’t know and could be played. There are a LOT of fake priest types out there.

[@tedmccarron]

@@Psy0psAgent this guy was not a fake priest, he was a top biology professor at all renowned University. He was also an atheist and a firm believer in evolution until he realized how many of the facts discredited that belief system of his.

[@larryfulkerson4505]

Galileo kept yelling at the priests: "...just look through the goddamn telescope." But they would not.

[@handsoap3346]

They hated Galileo for he spoke the truth

[@donhaddix3770]

The universe testifies to God.

[@handsoap3346]

@@donhaddix3770 Please explain

[@ateyourchips1164]

This might be a month ago that your comment was posted but can you please tell me where in the Bible you read that or made that up

[@ateyourchips1164]

@RadioTSM {Operator Teddy Timis} im sry but i asked proof from a bible not a website but ill check it out anyway

[@darkashtar]

I look at it like this, if creationists think creationists think creationism should be taught in school, then evolution should be taught in church. If you don't want science taught in church don't try to teach religion in school.

[@zenkim6709]

Reminds me of a cool meme I once saw as a .sig file: Get your damn stickers out of my science textbook. I don't paste crap in your Bible.

[@MadBunnyRabbit]

To the 10th I would add; so what? Even if he was an atheist, he used religion to get support of THE PEOPLE who later commited all the atrocities he commanded.

[@kirikakirikakirika]

And that's still putting aside that fact that he wasn't atheist. He mentions God quite a few times in "Mein Kampf" and even discusses how he aspired to be a priest in his younger years. He went to Catholic schools, regularly attended church, and even prayed up until the day he died.

[@MadBunnyRabbit]

kirikakirikakirika Yeah, but their stupid argument is that he was "closed atheist" xD that he pretended to believe in god. Hence my comment. Even if that was true, he used religion :)

[@Johnclewes]

kirikakirikakirika Joe Stalin had aspirations toward joining the priesthood too,but needless to say just like Hitler,religion never entered his head. lol

[@kirikakirikakirika]

john clewes What makes you think that? Either way, all the evidence points towards Hitler being Catholic. But if you really think it has anything to do with his genocidal tenancies, I'd be happy to give you a list of religious tyrants and murders (who killed more people than Hitler) that have been responsible for history's worst atrocities. And believe me, the list for religious (mainly Christian) killers is infinitely bigger than the one for atheists.

[@Johnclewes]

kirikakirikakirika Sorry,i was attempting to be sarcastic,we are actually on the same side.

[@Cocytus127]

Three thousand or more people were unable to accept the overwhelming ass-kicking they just received.

[@watermellonpussy95]

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[@beeragainsthumanity1420]

Science sends humans to the moon. Religion sends people flying into buildings.

[@RetoskiCat]

hahahahha

[@nufsed1901]

Another argument, What was god doing before he created light, earth and life? Was he just sat twiddling his thumbs in the vast endless, lonely darkness?

[@Johnclewes]

nuf sed LOL.

[@nufsed1901]

john clewes was it a sarcastic Laugh? Because if it was not a real laugh could you please tell me what was he doing before ceation, when sat in the vast darrkness. By thd way he was supposed to have made man before he said LET THERR BE LIGHT. SO he made man and everything else in the fuggin dark........that's bloody dumb!

[@ramigilneas9274]

nuf sed He was probably trying to find out who created him. ;)

[@Skeevee]

He was arm wrestling with his buddy, Chug. There was footage on family guy.

[@nufsed1901]

Cody Reed what does that mean, wether its a prophecy or whatever does not change its inaccuracies.

[@benbisley]

I'n gonna take up non-stamp-collecting as a hobby.

[@ishankmahale5393]

+benbisley I'm coming in too but first let me fix my "bald" hairstyle and turn off the "off" channel on the TV and fuck my girlfriend with the new "abstinence" sex position.

[@benbisley]

+Tim H I'll give you Fifty Nonedollars for your Penny Unblack-

[@annnee6818]

benbisley I did too several years ago and I now have the largest collection of non-existent stamps in the world 🤣🤣

[@juicemight1259]

benbisley It has been a hobby for me for my entire life so far.

[@j0hncon5tantine]

@benbisley and everyone else here........... Actually your hobby is "hating" stamps, never using them and wasting the time to deliver mail by hand your self, oh and did I forget "looking down" on people who collect them and use them and trying to push your agenda of making people believe it is logical and scientific to hand deliver mail and never touch a stamp in all the main stream public educational institutions and the main stream media..............

[@khulilemanyatsi5192]

it's not my job to prove that God doesn't exist, I'm not the one who believes in him, the people who believe in God should start proving his existence, I have no time for fairytales

[@GoldSrc_]

Almost 10 years and creationists still use this same old arguments. All they can do is give them a new coat of paint and hope that nobody notices it's the same garbage.

[@GoldSrc_]

@Knowledge Creationist model? Dude, ever since before The Atheist Experience was on the Internet, Every. Single. Argument. Has been the same, that's at least 20+ years of the same old rehashed crap with a new paint job.

[@GoldSrc_]

@Knowledge Thing is, you morons have never debunked anything. And the very existence of junk DNA rules out "intelligent design".

[@get-the-joke]

But the question "Why do we still have England" has a point.

[@Barcs]

If we have science, why are there still religious fundamentalists?

[@ablebaker8664]

Get the Joke! Are we sufficiently justified in the claim that England exists?

[@get-the-joke]

+Able Baker. idk. Since the distinction _fake news_ vs _alternate facts_ replaced the good old _believable_ vs _less believable_ I don't "know" anything. (OK, everything is better than the pathetic attempt to apply the truth values of boolean algebra on "reality".) Lets say, I have a concept of England and I speak as if it has a correlation to some kind of world.

[@ablebaker8664]

Get the Joke! The ontological argument for England: If you can imagine a place on earth called England...

[@get-the-joke]

You have to be masochistic to do so - but if you are you can have a splendid love-hate relationship to your little imaginary friend England.

[@DrumWild]

I like it when they say that it takes more faith to be an Atheist than it does to be a Christian. That's when I talk about how my non-belief in Allah gets me through my day.

[@alphanomega12]

@brace for my big one No it doesnt, that's not even close to proof idiot

[@Lagolad]

I'd just like to point out that belief in a god or gods does not mean rejecting evolution in particular or science in general. They're not mutually exclusive.

[@ShadowManceri]

+Mimi Herrmann Depends what god you believe in. And that is one of the problems with god or should I say gods. Because there is no one god but rather few billion.

[@Lagolad]

Well, if your particular set of beliefs says you must reject evolution, then sure. But I have yet to run across a god who can actually be quoted as saying that evolution (or any other sciency thang) is bogus.

[@Lagolad]

We're talking apples and oranges. You can be Muslim and believe that Adam being created "from mud" is not meant to be taken literally, just as you can be Christian and believe the creation stories in Genesis are not meant to be taken literally. That's not God, Allah, or anyone else SAYING something, it's just a story. Atheists need to understand that just because SOME theists (of whatever stripe) might take creation stories or whatever literally doesn't mean that ALL theists do. If atheists assume that about theists, they're being just as ignorant as the theists who do take those stories literally.

[@ShadowManceri]

Mimi Herrmann *"Atheists need to understand that just because SOME theists (of whatever stripe) might take creation stories or whatever literally doesn't mean that ALL theists do."* You are making starwman yourself. No atheist thinks that. But you underline great point there. Christians do not agree what it says in the bible. They just pick and choose what to believe and what to ignore. What is true and what is not. Some think it's not God you should worship but Jesus. Some think the opposite. Some think stories are literal truth of the history some think they are just fictional stories. Some think Old Testament should be followed some think it doesn't matter. Some think 10 testaments are absolute some think they are not. What is the "real" Christian? There isn't one. Each one is going what they feel is right. Not what the actual truth is. Given this diversity I don't think there is truth in the bible at all.

[@a1steaksauced927]

Actually they are, which is a reason why most religious people reject evolution. The bible says that God created man from dirt in that instant. Evolution shows that man evolved into man, millions of years into evolving.

[@jjthebluerookie9919]

This is now one of my favourite videos on KZbin! S O G O O D !

[@petarpetrovic8133]

Good for you, God bless.

[@kampferischunglaubiger6349]

The problem is that a lot of Creationist reject that Science is legitimate. At least that is what I have observed.

[@jz5jo]

mommy, please tell me a disney fairy tale before i go to sleep; okay honey: 'once upon an ancient time, in a far far away middle east kingdom; lives most of the illiterate goat herders who hallucinates a book called the holy bible... ' . if the christian god is great, then why waste time with the debates?!

[@stevied667iswin]

The "Why do we still have monkeys?" comment should be "When a child is born, why does it still have parents?". We didn't evolve from monkeys, we evolved from the same common ancestor as monkeys.

[@pizzedahff3127]

OK, this is something you should see... kzbin.info/www/bejne/anKQlYCneseGoZo The Genus Homo includes not only all monkeys, but all Apes as well. Based on diagnostic traits the most recent common ancestor between Homo Sapiens Sapiens and the other monkeys must, by definition, also itself have been a monkey, just as our most recent common ancestor with the Apes (about half a million years later) must also have been an Ape.

[@shroomer8294]

I always say “diverged from…” because it cuts out any possible misunderstanding.

[@Jadinandrews]

My favorite argument is when they bring up the problem of morals, as if morals come from god. Then you just ask them a few mundane questions like is slavery good, is rape bad, is child sacrifice ok, is genocide nice etc. All of which occur in the Bible and are commanded by the god. Then they scramble to euphemize the most atrocious things imaginable. I point blank asked a guy if he would murder his child if asked by god, and he replied he would be obedient, and they want us to do the same.

[@TheMilitantMazdakite]

Yeah, I am, in fact, an ex atheist turned Zoroastrian, and I dispise divine command theory.

[@df4250]

So refreshing to hear an American saying something sensible!! Love it!

[@XnonTheGod]

😆

[@triplejudy]

This is classic; I've heard all these over and over; you must have been in my class listening to my Genetic Evolution lectures. As a Biologist I'm proud to be a part of the growing number of enlightened Atheists around the world. Perhaps one day religion can finally be placed in the rubbish bin of history so that rational thinking and logic is our guide, not delusions and ancient, ignorant dogma.

[@WildwoodClaire1]

regarding Newton, creationists often claim him as a member of their flock, overlooking that he was an Arian who did not accept the Holy Trinity. In short, few creationists would accept his beliefs as "Christian."

[@Scyllax]

WildwoodClaire1 Also, he died before Karl von Linne' was even born.

[@kellydalstok8900]

Hitler wasn’t a Darwinist either. He wrote “nothing indicates that development within a species has occurred of a considerable leap of the sort that man would have to have made to transform him from an apelike condition to his present state.”

[@aaronchandler2380]

Debating a Christian is like playing tic tac toe. Rise above the argument. All thinking people can really do is ignore religion overall and fight it hard when it infiltrates our government. Believe whatever you want just keep your God out of my government.

[@pk-fi1ok]

It is the same kind of mistake people did "Ignore Hitler until he gets to the government.". Too late. No, you gotta beat them allways.

[@aaronchandler2380]

pk11 I think it’s more like General Motors, they lost customers one at a time until they went bankrupt, the once largest corporation in the world. People finally wised up and realized they were getting screwed.

[@arthurjeremypearson]

sam dearaujo "Evolutionists can't explain crap" You used the wrong term. You said "evolution" when you meant to say "science." But other than that, you're correct. Science doesn't explain anything regarding gods and the supernatural. It never claims to.

[@Fa1c0]

no god, know morals.

[@Johnclewes]

+Fa1c0 Or vice-versa, ie know "god", no morals.

[@Fa1c0]

+Movie Man read my comment again.

[@Fa1c0]

+Movie Man in other words, you agree with me.

[@Fa1c0]

+Movie Man I've done the same thing.

[@sednabold859]

+Fa1c0 y did you have to phrase it like that u made me a sad internet man

[@masol3726]

We share 18% of our DNA with weed.

[@sportsmed77]

Maybe that's why we are so prone to smoke it. lol.

[@NorfarPS3]

+sportsmed77 it's almost cannibalism though, isn't it?

[@ferociousfeind8538]

we also share 99.99% of our DNA with chimpanzees. Or maybe 20%? It's hard to say for sure how to "put a price" on similarities.

[@tylerjones6683]

We share 99% of genes with mice.

[@masol3726]

Tyler Jones Speak for yourself, i'm no mouse.

[@dracul691]

Great video. I love the fact you actually gave counters to each argument instead of only listing the argument. This will definitely help me in future debates. Gonna be a fun thanksgiving this year lol.

[@todd1896]

I don't understand why religion still exists.

[@watermellonpussy95]

TheDusk420 the guy deleted his comment. So now mine doesn't make sense lol

[@todd1896]

Who deleted their comment?

[@JeffersonDinedAlone]

Why do some people still watch I love Lucy re-runs when that show is utterly mindless shit? Some questions have no answer.

[@kseries1981]

"Not smoking" is a habit. LoL!

[@kentanakamura89]

I need a cure for this habit....

[@scottmurray4689]

"Alabama Academy of Science"? There's no science in Alabama, believe me, Ive been there.

[@justina9914]

Alabama Academy of Incest

[@thomasaskew1985]

Actually, the US Space and Rocket Center is in Huntsville. There are enclaves of intelligence. They just don't get as much press. They are the exception , not the rule.

[@johndaugherty7465]

"I don't understand physics, biology, chemistry, so evolution is wrong."

[@WilbertLek]

The declaration of ignorance...

[@smegleymunroe863]

Life was seeded by the almighty Cthulhu! To keep life going, every generation a new Lunatic Cultist replaces the old one in ritualistic sacrifice

[@leyrua]

Cthulhu is the one true god! I know it is true, because not only *one* lunatic cultist, but rather *thousands* of them, died for us. Beat that, Christianity! Only one sacrifice... pfft!

[@efnissien]

I had an American try the '2nd Law of thermodynamics' argument on me (Or as he said 'Newton's second law of thermodynamics') in a bar one day. I actually told him that since thermodynamics as a science didn't exist in the 17th century he was talking complete bollocks. I then went on to say there is newtons second law and the second law of thermodynamics and went on to explain both. He then rolled up his sleeve and and said 'I live my life by the word of the lord' and showed me a tattoo with the line from Leviticus prohibiting homosexuality... I then mentioned that Leviticus prohibits tattooing. The guy stormed off stopping at the door to call me a 'pinko commie' (my reply was "All men are created equal" is a fundemental tenet of the declaration of independence... if that's not a socialist statement I don't know what is.")

[@taowaycamino4891]

There has never been any evidence that shows that the so-called "evidence for evolution" is indeed correct.

[@efnissien]

@@taowaycamino4891 That's why it's called the "Theory" of evolution. And there is evidence for evolution - bacteria. They replicate and mutate at a much faster rate than most other creatures and you can witness this mutation (for example Covid 19A to Covid19 B.) over a much shorter period of time.

[@taowaycamino4891]

@@efnissien Never has any so called "evidence for evolution" been shown to be correct or much less that it shows evolution to be real. And your example is not an exception.

[@efnissien]

@@taowaycamino4891 Ehhhh, if it's visible & repeatable, that's pretty much proof- but mutation is random. But hey, if you want to believe in a gnome on a cloud... where there's no proof whatsoever he exists, you just go ahead.

[@taowaycamino4891]

@@efnissien I know you want to believe everything you just said is true, but you, like all people who believe like you, can't show the validity or reality of any of it. That's why you people are deceived.

[@hiphuwangsu4235]

In the words of Ricky Gervais "if God exists, then why did he make me an atheist"???

[@joshferns7114]

He gave everyone free will to make his/her own choices

[@elisenieuwe4649]

@@joshferns7114 Except he really didn't because he also gave us the horrible threat of never ending torture if you don't do as he wants. It's like pointing a gun to your head and ask you for your money. Then I take it and go away. You go to the police and they find me and I just say: Heee, he/she just gave me the money. He/she could have not done that. They have free choice. It's ridiculous.

[@joshferns7114]

@@elisenieuwe4649 its not threat the way you see it. its a choice. Either you choose his principals or do as you will. Some companies have certain rules, you have to do as they say otherwise you dont fit there. He wants everyone to to live eternal lives with him but the condition is nothing bad can face him.

[@joshferns7114]

@@elisenieuwe4649 He created everything so thats why he expects us to do whats good for us according to him. We are only temporary tenants. we dont own anything actually.

[@S3Mi87]

@@joshferns7114 "Some companies have certain rules, you have to do as they say otherwise you dont fit there." - Do these companies force you into the contract with death threats??? Why are you intentionally ignoring the main point of the argument and going in some stupid circles?

[@ploppysonofploppy6066]

"The Hitler point" - defined as the point in an argument when the party losing the debate invokes Adolf. "Well Hitler was a vegetarian! " etc. Doesn't have to be true but people think it works.

[@ashleyvanbeek7045]

he actually was a vegetarian though. not that that's an argument against vegetarianism; it's just something to mention when they list all the great historical figures who were vegetarian

[@alt8791]

Ashley van Beek no, actually he wasn’t. Look it up.

[@marcdecock7946]

Hitler killed (poisoned) his dog in the end. He could have also let poor Blondi free in Berlin, he would have easily found a new master. Cynical actually how that somehow to some people makes him lose more karmapoints than the millions of people who's lifes he destroyed.

[@marcdecock7946]

@@ashleyvanbeek7045 I think he didn't eat a lot of meat because of a health condition, but he did eat some.

[@marcdecock7946]

In the time of the mongols, Djenghis Khan, the population of Europe was so much reduced, that it was actually a wonderful time for the wildlife, trees were regrowing, biological diversity was a lot better. I guess calling Djenghis an ecologist is probably a bit of a stretch. Although I do like to see things through the eyes of the mongols, all they wanted was to be able to gallop on their horses from Amsterdam to Vladivostok without plowed fields and fencing.

[@thedexterousassasin]

The whole "The eye is too complex" is actually an argument against creationism in my opinion. The human eye can only detect 1% of light (what is known as visual light) if there is so much light and colours that we cannot see how is that complexity and designing. Why on Earth would God intelligently design something that can is only 1% successful? Surely that is unintelligent design.

[@Johnclewes]

Couldn't agree with you more, the human eye is far too prone to defects to substantiate the laughable notion of intelligent design. Incidentaly after 35 years experience in the optical profession I am more than qualified to voice an opinion.

[@thedexterousassasin]

john clewes What is your point? I am not allowed to criticize the intelligent design theory? It really does not take any qualification to criticize such a ridiculous and primitive idea.

[@thedexterousassasin]

Harro Penk Sorry I know, it's just the whole `I am more qualified to voice my opinion` is kinda condescending don't you think.

[@thedexterousassasin]

Harro Penk In addition you were incorrect the eye argument comes from William Paley who died decades before Darwin was even aboard the HMS Beagle.

[@thedexterousassasin]

Harro Penk I know right, Christians seldom know what they are talking about. I live in an area where 90% of people are Catholics and I would say about 10% of those are Creationists. It makes me laugh how little they know about their own holy book. I quoted Jesus with the camel and the eye through the needle quote and I was accused of lying and that I bought a fake Bible off the internet. Some people are just never going to be convinced.

[@cubby091398]

I just can't seem to break the habit of not praying.

[@Alicegab300]

Pray to nature then bc Its something deal

[@cat5220]

It's like watching religion getting blown to pieces..... And it's beautiful

[@timeshark8727]

... almost 9 years later and these are _STILL_ the top creationist arguments...

[@Artman1]

Creationist's arguments don't evolve.

[@jessebryant9233]

Ignoring the silliness and strawman nature of the video above... Fact is, no atheist can make a positive case for atheism or provide empirically verifiable scientific evidence that Darwinian mythology, abiogenesis, or BBT are real things. _Prove me wrong?_ What are the top 10 atheist arguments? (Actually, there are zero arguments that naturalism is or could be true. Again, can you THINKERS prove me wrong?.)

[@timeshark8727]

@@jessebryant9233 First, for the vast majority of atheists, atheism is simply the lack of belief in any gods... so there is no claim to make. Second, the theory of evolution (I assume that is what you mean by "Darwinian mythology") is the most well supported scientific theory there is, abiogenesis encompasses a variety of hypothesis that haven't been fully ironed out into a theory yet, and the big bang is supported both mathematically and through observations of things like the microwave background radiation. Also, none of the things you mentioned, including naturalism although it would likely arise from atheistic thinking, are actually part of atheism. All you have done is make a silly strawman of atheism with you post, and demanded that atheists support claims that aren't part of atheism. Atheism, as in the lack of belief in any gods, is the logical conclusion until a god can be demonstrated to exist, with or without any specific arguments for it. If you can't demonstrate that a god exists, then there is no reason for me to believe one does. For a harder version of atheism, the belief that god doesn't exist for example, the standard argument is that god is logically impossible based on what is attributed to it not matching what we see in reality. Ie. the simply fact that the big stories about god, like the global flood and Moses leaving Egypt, never happened.

[@jessebryant9233]

@@timeshark8727 *ATHEISM:* So you can't make a positive case then? I guess that intellectual sloth is the best you could come up with? Lacking belief requires literally no brains at all! You can be completely ignorant and lack belief! DUH!! Besides, appealing to ones own personal state of mind ≠ an argument (let alone a rational or scientific one). Dude, please! Your faith is blind, deaf, and dumb. *DARWINISM:* Scientific evidence (tested via the scientific method?) regarding the supposed common ancestry of all living things? Can you list just 3 such evidences for me? *ABIOGENESIS:* Such faith contradicts the law of biogenesis and 100% of empirical observation. _You have such credulous and blind faith! It is almost like you are eager to believe such nonsense... (John __3:19__-20)_ Also, atheism = naturalism. If there is nothing super-natural, then you are left only with nature. _Or is there some other option?_ *LOGICAL CONCLUSION?* That's an assertion, not an argument. And known laws of science demonstrate otherwise. It is axiomatic that someone who is beyond nature and immaterial must exist, otherwise nothing would exist. (I'll present my actual argument after you present yours. If you have one... I mean, if you cannot demonstrate that nature could have caused itself, then I have no reason to believe that no God exists.) *LOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE?* You can't prove that and have not presented an argument. However, it is logically impossible for naturalism to be true, based upon 100% of empirical observation and known laws of science. _Gee, I guess we're not really here!_ *NEVER HAPPENED?* Yes they did. (Aren't my assertions as valid as yours? How do you know that the flood never occurred?

[@timeshark8727]

@@jessebryant9233 Atheism: I personally can make a positive claim about the existence of God, depending what version of God you are talking about. However, atheism, and atheists, in general do not make a positive about god. Both terms are about a belief in gods, specifically not having a belief in gods. Darwinism: You aren't talking about Darwinism, you are talking about the theory of evolution and using an "ism" word in order to make it sound like a religion or belief system. As far as evolution is concerned, we have more evidence for it, and it has been tested more stringently than any other scientific theory. 3 "evidences" for evolution: Genetics (this one specifically is great for your common ancestry thing) The fossil record (this one shows the progression of traits over time very well) Agriculture (this is the practical use of the processes of evolution) Abiogenesis: You are referring to a law that isn't actually part of science (its a creationist catchphrase and misrepresentation), and a concept that was presented to counter a specific claim about spontaneous generation... from the 1800's We have created cells in the lab, and we know that the both the cell membrane and RNA can self assemble under proper conditions. The question that still needs to be answered is which of the many ways that it could happen actually happened in nature. Atheism and naturalism: Atheism is about gods specifically, it doesn't consider other supernatural claims that could be made. Although naturalism naturally flows from the mindset that there are no gods, or that supernatural things don't exist, its not actually part of atheism. Atheism is a label, not a dogma. Logical Conclusion: It is logical to not accept a claim till it has been demonstrated. _"It is axiomatic that someone who is beyond nature and immaterial must exist, otherwise nothing would exist."_ - *apparently it isn't axiomatic, because many people do question it. What you just presented IS an empty claim.* _"I mean, if you cannot demonstrate that nature could have caused itself, then I have no reason to believe that no God exists."_ - *Lol, if that is what you want to pretend. I could do it too, if you can't demonstrate that nature required a god, then I have no reason to believe that a god exists. We can go on forever in this way if you like.* - *The simple fact is that we have explanations of how the universe, as we know it, came about, how suns and planets formed, and how life started... all without needing a god.* Simply put, there is no reason to think that a god is necessary for nature to exist, therefor there is no reason to assert that one exists or is required. Logically impossible: You forgot the rest of what I said and focused on just 2 words out of a sentence. "Logically impossible based on attributes vs observations" would have been an more honest way to present it. Simply put, the stories in the bible don't match reality. I'll get into it a bit more in the next part. Never happened: In terms of the global flood story... We know that it didn't happen because of several things: 1. the geologic record shows no evidence of a global flood happening several thousand years ago that killed off 99.99% of all life on the planet. 2. There isn't a genetic bottle neck seen in every animal on the planet from the same time period 3. Several civilizations that were around at the time didn't notice the global flood. 4. There would not be enough time for populations of animals and humans to rebound in time for many historical accounts to have happened. 5. the boat wouldn't have worked for the number of animals involved or the amount of time involved.

[@ThatHippyDuck]

keep plugging your ears, christians.

[@Johnclewes]

FilthyCasualKai Why.???? There is nothing between them to help differentiate between the truth and 2000 year old biblical nonsense,so why bother.?????

[@movrgn]

"When Creationists talk about God creating every individual species as a separate act, they always instance hummingbirds, or orchids, sunflowers and beautiful things. ‘But I tend to think instead of a parasitic worm that is boring through the eye of a boy sitting on the bank of a river in West Africa, [a worm] that's going to make him blind. ‘And I ask Creationists, “Are you telling me that the God you believe in, who you also say is an all- merciful God, who cares for each one of us individually, are you saying that God created this worm that can live in no other way than in an innocent child’s eyeball? Because that doesn’t seem to me to coincide with a God who's full of mercy" - David Attenborough Creationists please please PLEASE explain to me how things like this could possibly be the work of an all-loving God

[@ShadowManceri]

+Megan Oversby But you see, those are the worms that have not yet found God and repented. Once they do, they get into heaven and everyone will enjoy of their company. This is God's master plan.

[@myleslawless9129]

It is not for us to question god's ways, ha bloody ha

[@j0hncon5tantine]

Did that worm get there through improper habits or improper care? Is that God or the worms fault? Also I believe many of the parasitic creatures may have been created by the fallen angels God sent down here as punishment, there are other historical/ religious texts that point toward something like this outside the Bible.... (The biologically immortal organisms that lack senescence are already extremely great proof for God and his design but if you want more..... The 3 main forms of evidence that would be acceptable and legitimate in a court of law for the existence of God would be..... "Life after Death experience studies where people witness a creator God- time.com/68381/life-beyond-death-the-science-of-the-afterlife-2/ " "iands.org/resources/education/recommended-reading.html ", .......... Multiple Studies on the effectiveness of prayer from multiple religions involving a creator God like in the book "The Divine Matrix by Gregg Braden" " www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_2_13?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=divine +matrix+gregg+braden&sprefix=divine+matrix%2Cstripbooks%2C195&crid=3BXKVNJABO9OK " along with other such studies proving a positive co-relation, ...... Positive co-relation to prayer in a peer reviewed study.......... jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/485161 ............ and scientific facts mentioned in the Bible before their human discovery by a divine influence, www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html ....... For example….. 1. The singing stars. Job 38:7 declares the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy. It sounds like a bit of Bible poetry but not much more. After all, stars shine, not sing, right? Well, it turns out scientists have been able to convert patterns from start light into audio wavelengths, according to Discovery News. The “amount of hiss” in the audio reportedly allows scientists to measure the surface gravity on a star and gauge where it is in its stellar evolution. 2. Weight of the winds. In Job 28:25, we are told that God weighed out the wind. This one may be no more self-evident to us than it was to an ancient Israelite reader of this text. But, we know from modern science that air, since it does have mass, weighs something. You might be surprised to know how much though: an estimated one ton of air is weighing down on shoulders, according to this science site (which explains that we don’t feel it because the air is exerting its force in all directions). This is pretty basic stuff for modern scientists, but it’s quite a credit to the inerrancy of Scripture that the author of Job got it right so long ago (approximately in the second millennium BC). 3. A massive fountain of water deep beneath the Earth!!! Genesis 7:11 "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened." www.thesun.co.uk/news/2242110/scientists-discovered-water-from-biblical-great-flood-in-worlds-deepest-hole/ www.express.co.uk/news/weird/733026/Russia-science-Kola-borehole-Noah-floodwater-Bible-Genesis-theory-of-12 creation.com/oceans-of-water-deep-inside-the-earth "Scientists dig the world’s deepest hole - and find ‘water from NOAH’S FLOOD’ at the bottom The revelation also reportedly "disproves the myth" that the earth is made up of dry rocky layers" All these would stand the scrutiny of a judge and jury for the case of a creator Gods existence and the legitimacy of the Christian Faith!!! But I am feeling generous so I will give you two more great forms of evidence, how about this book where a forensic officer who is atheist studies and researches the Bible to see if it proves a historical Jesus and if he was murdered wrongfully? Cold-Case Christianity: A Homicide Detective Investigates the Claims of the Gospels www.amazon.com/Cold-Case-Christianity-Homicide-Detective-Investigates/dp/1434704696, afterward he became Christian!!! Also, why don't you just pray to God yourself and ask him if he is real? What more can I say??? Then you would have personal evidence and proof of Gods interaction yourself..... I mean, there is actually way way way more evidence for God than this but it either would go over your head or you would not understand it properly and you would question it, but this is really solid evidence and proof I have given you up above that would hold up in a court of law........... if you decide to RUN from it, at least admit to yourself that is what you are doing........)

[@j0hncon5tantine]

@CaptSpicyWeiner Nothing I post has been debunked at all, you can make shoddy arguments and complaints against it but that is all. What is your exact issue with me?

[@j0hncon5tantine]

@CaptSpicyWeiner Who hurt you? Why do you hate God?

[@victorselve8349]

5:31 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO The second law states that entropy in a closed system can not decrease. Not that it must increase, and entropy is not the same as chaos.

[@MikaTuukkanen]

Tho even that law is not quite correct. It is based on statistical possibilities as it is very unlikely that particles randomly get positioned in a way that creates something more structured instead of randomness, which is labeled chaos.

[@90gwade]

11 years ago and the apologists still use all of these. Way to go god believers.

[@triplejudy]

Yes, we need to educate; that is the key. It is an uphill climb deprogramming this ancient religious dogma which has been drummed into the masses over the centuries. It will take time. However, in the end, moral, Athiest rational thought will overwhelm the ignorance and delusion of religion.

[@davidestebanrojasospina1278]

i'm from Colombia and i'm amazed that such thing as the genesis being a valid explanation to the origin of the universe it's a matter of debate in the US, wich is maybe the country with the biggest cientific potential worldwide! evolutionary biology is teach in every single public school and virtually in every single private school, at least in the most important cities here (i'm from the capital, Bogotá). I went to a Catholic high school and currently i'm studying sociology in a dominican college, wich is one of the most ancient roman catholic congregations, and you won't here a single theological nor biblical argument against rational and scientific explanations of the wolrd, they even encourage you to work respecting the objectivity of your results and the coherence of the evidence you recolect. This is just shocking to me.

[@chaz9808]

it's because or idiot politicians are mostly creationists and constantly try and push religion in schools these keeps happening because only people who end up voting are old white conservatives.

[@alo6125]

So true Chaz. We all gotta vote in every election. Period.

[@w0bbl3r]

My favourite is always going to be the wonderful banana. The man-made version of the banana that creationists somehow think is proof that god made them for the human hand and mouth, with a "Pull top like a can of soda". That never fails to make me laugh

[@thomasaskew1985]

That's the idiot Ray Comfort. He regretted making the connection when he found out that the banana has evolved due to selective breeding. LMFAO

[@Jadinandrews]

​@@thomasaskew1985 I don't know if it qualifies as evolution or not, well not in the classical sense, but yeah that is probably the creationist fail of the century.

[@thomasaskew1985]

That's Ray Comfort, another embarrassment.

[@thomasaskew1985]

Right. It's like a loser in the NFC championship game claiming the Super Bowl winner didn't score a touchdown on every play; therefore their team should be declared champion by default. They are nothing but sore loser who want to have a pity party at taxpayer expense.

[@leyrua]

It's hilarious how he provided a point in favor of evolution and a point in disfavor of creationism all in one fell swoop. 😂

[@OddBr18g]

Creationism is the best argument that evolution is reversibel

[@janbaer3241]

So many people would rather accept that a wizard cast a spell and created the earth, than accept that it doesn't require a wizard.

[@darthnox72]

brace for my big one Your point?

[@darthnox72]

brace for my big one How would they? Iron tools would be difficult to make since they are solitary and iron is hard to find in the jungle

[@darthnox72]

brace for my big one Their brains are less developed than ours not saying its impossible but it would take more time for them to figure it out.

[@anti-ugandaknucklescrusade727]

No, the Bible clearly said that "wizards" aren't real.

[@ozskipper]

Dear god. Thank you for making me an atheist. Thank you for making me question everything!

[@MentosCubing]

I like to imagine "Dear God" is you actually addressing God, and not just an expression.

[@ozskipper]

@@MentosCubing No.. It just a word play.. I dont believe in gods, santa, astrology, tarot or other mythology.

[@MentosCubing]

I know. The idea just amused me.

[@ozskipper]

@@MentosCubing In that case, I am pleased I could add some lighthearted entertainment to your day :-) peace.

[@insertcrudenamehere6341]

Seriously how tf have their arguments not changed since I was a kid

[@xxxod]

They can't come up with anything new to defend their position that's based on ignorance

[@WilbertLek]

Because an ancient, stagnant and thus stale story is easy to remember.... This is how 85%of the planet is dumb and lazy.

[@PilpelAvital]

Thermodynamics says evolution is impossible unless earth gets energy from somewhere. I sat up all night thinking what that source io energy could be. Then it dawned on me.

[@wooe]

A, No it doesn't. B, You would most likely not be able to explain what thermodynamics is. C, Evolution is observable, it's not a claim.

[@Zanta100]

@@wooe that also was a freaking joke.... you didnt get it

[@marcdecock7946]

Nice one! They also say the second law indicates that it's like a watch, wound up and slowly unwinding, raising the chaos level (entropy). I think that's looking at energy from a standpoint of how useful it is for human consumption, so pretty subjective.