Total War vs. Paradox Games - Why I Prefer the Former

[@coldsignon8074]

Paradox Campaign and Total War Combat are sitting at a bar, chatting. Players walk in. Players: "Hey! You two make a cute couple!" Paradox and Total War: "Oh, we're just friends." Players: *Sorrow

[@insertjokeh3r3]

Someone needs to make that or mod in a way to start battles where your paradox battles are happening in a total war map with period equivalent units and scaled armies.

[@BELLAoBARTALK]

It has happened. Crusader Wars for Attila and CK3. It’s amazing.

[@GudeaTW]

Crusader Wars?

[@someguy861]

While I appreciate the depth that paradox games offer, like you, I prefer turn based strategy games. To me, they feel like playing more complicated board games. Also, I find them to have better pacing, unlike time based games where I am often overwhelmed or underwhelmed with things to do.

[@GudeaTW]

Totally agree!

[@SolarpunkEnjoyer]

In real time based games, I usually find myself playing into the next day but not having actual fun. I guess I keep playing it for hours expecting that there will be some sweet endorphin release that never arrives. Instead, I just become easily irritated. As you said, sometimes you're overwhelmed, in others, underwhelmed with things to do. With turn-based games it's completely different. I can play it at a reasonable place, enjoying some nice background music, and almost never play it past my appropriate bed time nor get irritated.

[@Lucpol1986]

@@SolarpunkEnjoyerGreat for when you have young kids as well 😅

[@GudeaTW]

@Lucpol1986 good point

[@johnmcfarlane3147]

One thing I would've appreciated in games like hearts of iron, is when it comes into checking in on an operation is going or how your industry is going, little movies would play in a window next to your information, ww2 films and such, just for a bit more flavor and immersion

[@GudeaTW]

Yeah definitely, Civ includes these sorts of things as well.

[@JarlFrank]

I prefer Total War because of the battles. The combination of campaign map strategizing and battles that are given context through the campaign is just the best. In Paradox games battles just consist of moving an army into the same province as an enemy's army, and then there's rather simplistic auto-combat calculations and that's that. A game with Paradox's campaign map complexity and Total War's battles would be perfect to me.

[@GudeaTW]

Yeah I can definitely see that. I would add Civilization's building aspect as well, since I feel like the building in Paradox games is bland and is very watered down in modern total wars.

[@JarlFrank]

That's true. Paradox games have little in the building aspect, but I get why - the way they handle provinces means there's hundreds if not thousands of them, and having a detailed Total War or Civ style building system with thousands of provinces would lead to overwhelming micromanagement. It already gets a bit much for me when I have more than 10 cities in Civ... My dream strategy game would be Caveman 2 Cosmos with Total War battles but I doubt that's ever going to happen :P

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

@@JarlFrank Not to mention having too much complexity with so many provinces means that the AI either can't handle it or slows the game down to a crawl trying to make all the decisions.

[@sergialcoleadelagala5519]

Wow man, You've literally mentioned every point why I enjoy Total War games more than paradox as I would have done! And honestly, you've been brave for giving this opinion. Personally, I think many users from paradox community tend to respond to this opinions like if we TW players were dumb because we play real-time battles instead of spending time staring a map and opening menus. I also enjoy a lot some paradox games, specially those which are character-driven like CK2 or Imperator Rome. However, while I enjoy SOME Paradox games, I've enjoyed ALL Total War titles and not only due to their battles. Incredible video! :D

[@GudeaTW]

Yes I've noticed that amongst some Paradox players there is a bit of a bias (like utilizing the term "faction" causes them to get upset) but in fairness I like both series. I just prefer the Total War approach/atmosphere since it mixes it up a bit more instead of constantly being played on the same grand map the entire time with limited battlefield management...

[@Qladstone]

Do you like Mount & Blade? I feel like M&B is another interesting hybrid where you play an action game, but with tactical and strategic management elements incorporated.

[@GudeaTW]

Yes it's quite fun!

[@muhammadmirza1985]

Mount and blade is the best if you're into action based. Plus strategy and management

[@danielsonlisik534]

Mount and blade series is the best discovery I made last year, I just love With fire and sword.

[@GudeaTW]

Do you enjoy Paradox games? Civilization?

[@shinsenshogun900]

I enjoy them all, but I'll spoil you my priorities when it comes to what I should play first: Total War>Sid Meier's Civilization>Paradox Games Also: prioritize in acquiring Expansion DLCs before Graphic DLCs, then we can talk about managing mods

[@Hamms22]

@@shinsenshogun900 definitely gonna suckle

[@mohamedAshraf-ln9hu]

I only enjoy Crusader Kings, because it has a big role-playing element to it, EU4 made me feel like an accountant tbh. May be iam a (little historian) not a big one. 😊

[@ainzooalgown1888]

I haven't played any paradox games unfortunately because I don't have the cash for any of them but I have played three CIV games, my first one was the fourth with its amazing mods.

[@disdisorder036]

The love the 3 types of games

[@o0oSM00THo0o]

Great points and I agree with you but for me there's one exception: Stellaris. It's on par with TW games for me. Then again it's not historical so it might not be your cup of tea since you didn't mention it. But still, it's an amazing and "believable" universe with incredible atmosphere and probably the only paradox game where the battles feel like real battles. In case you haven't tried it I can highly recommend it(and I'm a big history fan aswell).

[@GudeaTW]

I like Stellaris a lot!

[@Heldermaior]

Stellaris is mental. I have about 40 hours total... in three plays ^^ I only booted the game 3x. Whenever I do, 10 hours later, I am still "just pushing one more thing" or "solving this problem of lack of currency but if I occupy this other star system, I can go to this other one that has this one planet that has the resources I need so I can transform them into hard cash so I can then invest in this colony here making it grow so that I can activate a couple more admin buildings and then I can... wait, what was I trying to do in the beginning? Why are all these dead alien races all around me?"

[@Mr_D_The_1st]

wait,a paradox game with honest to god battles?wow i have been hearing about stellaris for a while and the more i hear about it the more interested i got,but it has REAL battles?welp i am sold now

[@Heldermaior]

@@Mr_D_The_1st it doesn't.

[@oldrabbit8290]

@@Mr_D_The_1st kinda.. you can custom your ship (so it's already much better than the like of EU4), but you can't control it during battle (other than retreating).. Yes it's in 3D, and it's pretty, but at the end of the day, it just another spreadsheet reading..

[@wilandren65]

My big turn-off for games like Civ and Total War is the turn based aspect. I don’t know why I dislike turn based aspects but I think it’s that I like being able to out-maneuver the enemy. A good example is getting an encirclement in Hoi4, or racing to cut off an enemy in EU4. There really isn’t that in turn based games. But this is all personal preference, so I’m glad there are different types of games for different play styles.

[@GudeaTW]

Hmm I have some friends who don't like turn-based games either. Interesting - I've always preferred them.

[@blitzkrieg6076]

I know this was probably not intended, but if there is anyone wondering why the war system in Victoria 3 has changed, go to 2:45

[@drakengarfinkel3133]

After watching a few of your videos, I have to ask: 1. Are you Armenian? 2. As a historian, do you work at a university, museum, or some kind of other business? What is it like? What is your area of expertise? 3. What would be your preferred setting for the next historical Total War title?

[@GudeaTW]

1. yes 2. I'm a Mesopotamianist 3. Ancient Near East/Bronze Age

[@drakengarfinkel3133]

@@GudeaTW Thank you for the information! I'm a burgeoning archaeologist currently studying at uni myself, specializing in trade and societal systems in the Ancient Mediterranean during Classical Antiquity.

[@indrickboreale7381]

Real Bronze Age Total War would be awesome. TW Saga: Troy wasn't enough, it should go more for historical approach rather than Homer-like fantasy

[@Toshiro_Mifune]

i'm the kind of guy that doesn't appreciate total war battles post medieval 2, still tw are my favorite type of games. But if paradox added a visual representation like stellaris in all of their games, that would be a game changer for me.

[@GudeaTW]

Luckily Rome Remastered uses the original RTW battle engine, which is still my favorite one.

[@Toshiro_Mifune]

@@GudeaTW i have bought it, waiting for mods to pick up a bit and most importantly, i gotta install w10, but it is a tedious affair :P

[@GudeaTW]

@@Toshiro_Mifune awesome! check out Chivalry (the mod I ported) when you can, could use some more feedback :)

[@CameronAB122]

I get into different moods where I prefer one or the other. I'd really like if Total War added things like formable nations and more features for governance. I'm wanting to work on an alternate history mod where the domain of soissons defeat the franks in 486 and I decided Crusader Kings 3 with its decisions and events would be best for it even though it would have been fun in something like Barbarian Invasion. I dunno I may change my mind. It doesn't help that Rome and Medieval 2 have faction limits and the new total war games you can't change the grand map. I haven't really enjoyed Civ since I discovered Total War and Paradox as well.

[@GudeaTW]

There have been formable nations in Total War, but I definitely agree that they should expand those mechanics a lot in the next games. They've made good progress in terms of AI and diplomacy in Three Kingdoms, but I hope they take those improvements and combine them with improvements to the campaign... Still like Civ a lot, despite the abstraction. :)

[@Dexusaz]

Good points! Personally, I play both and often switch between them when I feel tired of it, they offer something different and are a welcome change and breath of fresh air, if you will. Not sure which one I'd prefer as they're both different enough to properly compare them, they rather complement each other in my opinion.

[@GudeaTW]

Yeah definitely, I enjoy them both in their own way.

[@vorenus8150]

Interesting video. I have been playing Total War games since Medieval II, and it's one of my favourite franchises. However, I've become a little bit jaded over time with some of the TW mechanics, which hadn't been changed over all those years, to the point that I almost don't play it anymore. I'm not interested in Warhammer and Three Kingdoms (althought good in some apsects - like diplomacy) didn't convince me. I'm going back to some of the mods (EB, DeI) from time to time but never finish any campaign. Paradox games are very good, but you made a good point that they feel somewhat "flat", and of course, lack of control over the battles is a big downside. Civilization is to much abstracted for my taste. So overall, there are not to many games these days for historical warfare fan to play :) You might want to check Field of Glory Empires. especially combined with Field of Glory II for tactical battles. Also, there are some really interesting changes to warfare in the upcoming update for Imperator Rome (2.0 patch), which might be worth checking out.

[@GudeaTW]

I do like the diplomacy in Three Kingdoms - there are definitely a lot of advancements they've made there! I wish the records mode was a little fleshed out since I grew bored of the heroes mode quickly... I think the hero mechanic works well for Troy, but not for Three Kingdoms. Regarding not finishing Total War campaigns, I think that's normal. I highly doubt most people play campaigns to full completion... I know Civ is pretty abstract... but I still like it a lot. :) Will definitely check out the 2.0 update to Imperator. I'll take a look at Fields of Glory as well.

[@alevort]

If Im not too much impolite. Can I ask how old are you. Iove your way to speak. It's on pair with a Europa barbarorum music ambient. Like the classic history teachers I had in my career.

[@GudeaTW]

Thank you! I'm 28.

[@alevort]

@@GudeaTW just like me! Knew it we both share same views with history mods and games

[@fackyeahdude8069]

@@GudeaTW Maybe you wouldnt be interested but it would be nice to see a QnA type video about yourself and your background in history, your channel is one of my favourites as a result of the intertwining knowledge in history and certain periods.

[@GudeaTW]

@@fackyeahdude8069 I'm ok with doing a q & a eventually. Thank you!

[@alevort]

@Sind Really!

[@Sonozaki98]

Total war its my childhood, I played EU4 since 2015, and it was good, after paradox decides to put a lot of dlcs, come on, playing EU4 without dlcs sucks, meanwhile you can buy some total war and have good experience without the dlcs, rome total war forever!!

[@GudeaTW]

Haha it's true! Without dlcs it's still good

[@MrBb3k]

I play both. However, I like how one gets to control their army and win through real life tactics and shenanigans. I say shenanigans because sometimes the AI makes a mistake or I do. The leading to a miraculous victory or a truly disgusting defeat. Example playing empire total war I had a pyrhric victory against the English. Their pikemen in darth mod which were the last units on the map walked up a hill and had their pikes facing the red line and not me. I'm like I can win right? We're supposed to win. Having no ammunition I figure if they're facing away and I charge, I'll win. I charge and start loosing men. It's terrifying. I think I have cavalry left which I do. I charge in from the flank not thinking anything of it. I notice some of the cav have run down my own men from the side. They waver and break. They route. The pikes are still wavering. I am praying they break and run past the red line so I win....it happens but I loose 75 percent of my cav and my infantry doesn't stop routing. One of those scenarios where you have a few units to one thinking you'll just crush them into oblivion...but they almost pull out the win.

[@GudeaTW]

Absolutely, the ability to control your armies in battles give Total War a big edge for me.

[@rbrizzle4394]

I wish I could have the depth of the campaign that paradox provides with the real time battles of total war. Divide et impera is the best historical total war experience for me

[@GudeaTW]

Better than europa barbarorum?

[@HansAlRachid]

If only Paradox hadn't realized how to rip off their customers ad aeternum. I love their games (well, I love Crusader Kings at least), but damn if it doesn't feel gross as hell to support them at this point. I find it really hard to divorce the quality of their games from their appaling corporate policy.

[@GudeaTW]

Totally get it. I don't like the DLC policies of Firaxis and Paradox at the moment at all

[@theodisius1]

I completely agree with you. Just out of curiosity - what did historical Japanese armies look like in the Shogun period? Most other TWs, I try to create reasonably historical army compositions (2:2:1 hastati:principes: triari etc.) but I don't know what one would look like for Shogun 2.

[@GudeaTW]

As far as I know, katanas were quite rare (just like a secondary sidearm). Polearms like yari/naginata/nagamaki were far more common, and bows as well. Bows were especially common. Cavalry was also utilized to a decent degree. Eventually of course muskets became more common.

[@theodisius1]

@@GudeaTW OK, thanks - so maybe not that different from Medieval then? I've always thought the "sword" unit class in TW was largely fictional. With the (admittedly very important) exception of the gladius wielding Roman legionaries, swords normally seem to have been secondary sidearms rather than primary weapons for infantry throughout history.

[@montanajones7709]

Any single game I have far more hours in warhammer total war, but collectively between Stellaris, AoW: Planetfall and AoW4 I have more hours in paradox games

[@hastalavictoriasiempre2730]

Nice channel, subed after watching a few videos :)

[@GudeaTW]

Thank you - welcome aboard!

[@limitess9539]

I really love map-painting in video games, and based on that I thought I would love paradox or civ games and gave both a try, but they didn't do it for me, TW games are much more fun for me. It's like comparing movies and books, or apples or oranges.

[@LudwigMeckland]

What do you think of Field of Glory: Empire ? It's a bit like Total War and Civ

[@GudeaTW]

Haven't played it yet, but it looks cool!

[@diegoivan685]

Man, you're really underrated.

[@GudeaTW]

Thank you! I appreciate it.

[@connorseaturtle3162]

I love both equally, but I like a lot of total war games bur only love CK3 and HOI4

[@jamesburke9865]

Have you played Mount and Blade/do you plan on sharing your opinion of it?

[@GudeaTW]

Yes I've played Warband - it's super fun and hilarious at times... but I'm not very good at it (I know I'm not very good at Total War either lol). Perhaps I'll do a stream.

[@willdenham]

I've played Europa and enjoyed it. Lost my hard disc copy, thinking of trying total war. I think I like the turn based strategy element and strategy itself the most, but rome total war 2 looks fun. Also interested in Shogun 2, wondering where to start.

[@GudeaTW]

Absolutely, give it a shot!

[@willdenham]

@@GudeaTW I just bought that and Shogun 2 on steam. What should I start with?

[@GudeaTW]

Try a Chosokabe campaign in the standard sengoku jidai campaign. The tutorial in shogun 2 is actually nice too

[@willdenham]

@@GudeaTW I loaded Shogun

[@willdenham]

Have you had problems with steam? It's saying that it may not save my place because it's not synced with cloud.

[@aleaiactaest6503]

Is that mod at the beginning Laganjes? I can't tell because there are like a billion campaigns in Laganjes.

[@GudeaTW]

It's Europa Barbarorum (for RTW)

[@aleaiactaest6503]

@@GudeaTW smh that's like the most popular mod and I didn't recognize it lol

[@waltonsmith7210]

I still cant figure out how to play Paradox Games:(

[@GudeaTW]

well they're all a bit different... try imperator

[@youshouldknow5481]

I just discovered this mod the other day, but haven’t played it yet, but you may want to look at Total Fots mod for Shogun 2

[@GudeaTW]

I've heard of it. I'll take a look at it once TWC is back up.

[@tranminhnghia2365]

May I ask the RTW mod at the beginning?

[@GudeaTW]

Europa Barbarorum for RTW

[@unregierbar7694]

One thing I disagree with is that Total War is supposed to feel more alive. I played lots of strategy games and the only one where the world is "alive" is Victoria 2. All other games including other Paradox games generate their armies out of thin air and sometimes millions of people die in wars to an extent that so many people historically never existed in said area. Wars have no consequence on manpower if you don´t annex land and just wait a few years or turns and attack again. That´s not realistic. In an average eu4 or total war game more men die than it was realistically possible in those regions during history. Victoria 2 on the other hand has a real population system where soldiers get recruited out of that population and if 1 soldier dies your total population shrinks by 1. Depopulation can happen and it is almost impossble to recover in the short time period where the game takes place. Same goes for rebels. Rebels are the point where it´s the most obvious that they are created out of thin air in almost all games. In Attila Total War sometimes there were so many rebels just from one province where I have to assume they were 10x the size of my whole realm but invisible before the revolt happened. In Victoria 2 rebels are real pops who disagree with the government based on their own opinion("Issues") and if you anger them too much they will try to revolt, take over the capital and topple the government or gain independence according to their ideology/nationality.

[@GudeaTW]

I mostly cover Rome 1 and Remastered, where that's how population works.

[@DxGamer6767]

for me, its just the combat. combat in paradox games have nothing on total war. But a combination of both would be complex but also perfect

[@GudeaTW]

Yeah, without the combat to mix things up it can get a bit dull in many paradox games

[@peterborg4160]

I do like all different aspects of TWS AND PARA... also AGEODgames, plus their Fields of Glory Empires

[@TruetoCaesar]

Total war is fun. Paradox games need mods to be fun.

[@GudeaTW]

I guess Joe Biden is a Total War fan!

[@TruetoCaesar]

@Roberto Sisternes Calatayud agree. Vanilla Eu4 is fun

[@TruetoCaesar]

@Roberto Sisternes Calatayud never played Ck3

[@GudeaTW]

You could try Xbox game pass for PC for free for a month, crusader kings 3 is available on the service

[@atari947]

i think vanilla hoi4 with dlc is in a good state atm

[@fabshooter4891]

Well, the biggest problem with Paradox is that no fully fleshed out game is under the 150$ threshold. Paradox's dlc policy is why made me abandon EUIV and CK2 despite me loving these games, because they are NOT bad games per se (unlike Imperator Rome). I just can't afford to pour hundreds of dollars into things that should have been in the game at launch.

[@GudeaTW]

Ah that's a good point (the dlcs). Total War dlcs are definitely better (as a model) than the Paradox (and Civilization!) dlcs. Total War dlcs like Rise of the Samurai, Fall of the Samurai, or the campaigns in Rome 2 and Attila are definitely extras and are not necessary to enjoy the game, but are expansions of the main game. The Crusader Kings 2 dlcs are horrible imo... same thing with the new Civs and the constant civ dlcs. I do think the Paradox model is the worst of the bunch by far, however.

[@ramiromen6595]

I'm someone who enjoys RP( aka not painting the map randomly) and I tend to prefer Total War if I feel like recreating history or creating "alternate empires". On the other hand I don't enjoy most Paradox games, but Victoria 2 and CK2 are my choice when I want to expand more indirectly (by political hegemonies or with the formation of trade empires) or RP as a vassal

[@GudeaTW]

Yeah it's definitely more fun playing as a vassal in CK3 or something rather than a Total War game. That's probably the part I enjoy the most about Paradox games. In Total War it's not fun being a vassal. I suppose that's due to the limited cooperation options and AI limitations as well.

[@maso8589]

I enjoy all series that you mentioned. Personally i dislike how the war is handled in paradox. It feels like result of battles is dependent only on technology level and numbers of troops. You can rarely witness situations when something happens against all ods. Besides, in paradox games you always have extensive knowledge about forces of your enemies (how much money they have, what kind of troops they have and how many) which really takes away from strategy. Although there is so many mechanics, you need a lot of DLCs and i still feel that some areas needs more depth for a grand strategy game. Nonentheless i really enjoyed them, but i feel that TW games allow me to engage more personally in the process of building a kingdom. Even when its not so in-depth i still find it easier to care about pixels on the screen. I think that TW and Civilization formula are more consistent in its desgin, while Paradox games can be shallow beacuse of the strange combinations of some mechanics having more depth, while others being very surface level and kind of grindy.

[@GudeaTW]

I definitely agree with your points here! Wars can be quite... unsatisfying. You feel like you have little agency. Yes, you can prepare your troops and fight on favorable ground, but in the end the battle is just some dice rolls. Civilization is sort of in the middle for me - I like battling in Civ, but I prefer the real time Total War battles. I think you're right about caring about the pixels. Even in Civ, where combat is very abstract, I care about my units, whereas in Paradox I don't really care that much. I also like the design consistency in Total War and Civ. Certain concepts remain constant and familiar, which I think is a strength of both series.

[@djdbajron1]

I like the real time feature

[@eddiex009]

You could try field of glory empieces, is a mix between Paradox and total war ganes ir you own field of glory 2 too

[@GudeaTW]

hmm ok I'll check it out

[@rullychristian356]

Imagine they Collab

[@b3ygghsas]

It's simple, total war has player led battles, paradox games doesn't, on the other hand literally everything else like economy, diplomacy, nation development, politics, interacting with your nation's population, etc, is better in paradox games

[@sausagesausage]

You like Civ, have you checked out Humankind? It may interest you!

[@GudeaTW]

Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to purchase it, but it does look very cool!

[@sausagesausage]

@@GudeaTW It hasnt been released yet still some more months to go but it's a new take on Civ and looks refreshing and new

[@spinspir1741]

What mod plays on the background ? Thanks

[@GudeaTW]

Europa Barbarorum (for RTW)

[@BIGluisluis]

You want realism, but do not play mods in Paradox map? Man I love playing CK2 with HIP mod, I love playing EU4 with MEIOU&Taxes mod and so on.

[@GudeaTW]

I do use mods for Paradox games.

[@LorenTR]

You mod reviews are always about how historical it is and how giant the map is. But it is never mentioned how ai can handle those features in each mod.

[@GudeaTW]

I do talk about AI performance in mods where applicable (or if something is out of the ordinary for something like RTW AI).

[@aaronlockley9207]

I have troubles staying in a Paradox game. Stellaris is probably my favorite, but HOI 4 feels like a giant mess for me (still don't understand the new supply mechanics).

[@MBP1918]

Interesting video

[@GudeaTW]

Thanks!

[@adrian-vasilebud4444]

Great video,In my opinion even just the first Rome or the first Medieval can easily overclass any Paradox production just because of the way how you can fight the battles on the battle map and the turn system.

[@GudeaTW]

Definitely. I would have added Civ directly to the comparison too (and the video title), but it's a bit too different when compared to Total War and Paradox that I don't think it would have been a good comparison. Glad to see a fan of the first Medieval. :)

[@Milan74]

I want total war empire 2 on a hoi4 map

[@anaromana8183]

I think you have the best reviews of this things.Here is my opinion also. First . i think a strategy game become very quickly boring.Every strategy game is repetitive and from that it will become boring.A tactical game is better because is not so repetitive and also is spectacular.You have a big feeling when you beat an enemy with 10 % chance of win. Paradox and civ games are only strategy games.Once you learn how to play you will do the same things again and again. Second.From the point of view on what a game computer should be these games are not games.You suppose lo loose big time in your life to learn how to play (i mean months) reading forums and looking to tutorial or gameplay sessions. They have tons of rules and gameplay mecanics, bad interface (dont tell you all the thinks which are needed to play) so you must memorize. Ok and after you loose so much time learning how to play you must play day and night in order to not forget those rules.If you take a break for 1 year you forget how to play (what are the rules) and you will take from beginning with the learning process. A game must have few rules and those must be presented in the interface. Total War is a game because is much simpler, can be learned quickly, is spectacular, less boring and you can play it any time without fearing that you need weeks in order to remember how to play.

[@GudeaTW]

Hi ana, thank you! I definitely see your point and that is one reason why I prefer Total War to Paradox games. I think Civ explains its mechanics better than Paradox games and it's easier to come back to Civ after a long hiatus, but you're right that Total War is the easiest to come back to. It's easy to understand and hard to master - I've had lots of friends who had no idea how to fight battles until I explained everything very carefully (this was for Empire and Napoleon I think).

[@anaromana8183]

@@GudeaTW Yes i think civ is better that PARADOX in interface and rules.With PARADOX EU4 i had an experience when i looking to find what are the rules for CASSUS BELLI and i find 5 pages on wiki.What a fuck?Who memorize that?And why you should do that?

[@McDadden]

Completely agree, i love stellaris and other paradox games, but you cant beat the total war battles to change up the pace

[@GudeaTW]

Definitely. I like Paradox games in bursts, but in the long run I always prefer Total War + mods.

[@rangergxi]

I just hate the gaminess and arbitrariness of Paradox games. Want to play as a Muslim leader in CKII? The game pushes you towards choosing elderly wives to avoid heir conflicts and killing all of your relatives. The thing I hate the most is the lack of management. In Eu3 forming a giant Spanish Empire meant garrisoning far flung colonies that barely paid for themselves. In Eu4 that is all handled by puppets and all you do is blob forever and allocate mana points. The games also made attrition meaningless so its just death stacks everywhere. Carefully managing armies is just a waste of time even on Very Hard/Very Hard. Doesn't matter if its Stellaris, Eu4 or Hoi4.

[@GudeaTW]

Yeah I see what you mean. The role-playing aspect of CK3 is my favorite part of the game (and Imperator as well). I just feel that Civ does building much better and Total War is just better overall, especially with the combat.

[@KanyeIsKing]

Says the guy who hates woman

[@in3x]

I used to play a lot of TW, then I discovered EU2, and that started me down a road to the point where I haven't bought any TW game since Rome 2. EU 4 is hands down the greatest game I have ever played, and IMHO paradox games absolutely wipe the floor with TW games.

[@GudeaTW]

But why? :)

[@in3x]

@@GudeaTW It's like going from doom to half life. TW games are just bad now. EU had such deep and intricate diplomacy, that actually worked. TW diplo is just awful. I also played a battle in warhammer, and I laughed, by general could defeat multiple units on his own, the series was terminally ill after Rome 2 and it died with warhammer.

[@feo130]

@@in3x I don't care about any of the things you mentioned. I want to conquer the world in my games, and destroy my enemies as I do it. If I wanted to play a spreadsheet, I would also want to get paid for it.

[@RAGEHomesweetvault]

honestly i just play the total war campaign maps and always just autoresolve battles, yet i still prefer total war to paradox

[@GudeaTW]

Ohh interesting. You never ever play battles?

[@RAGEHomesweetvault]

@@GudeaTW yeah i like the country and army management without having to do the field battles myself. i will play the occasional siege defense though. unpopular opinion, i know. maybe i just need to practice more to get better and then i'll like it more

[@GudeaTW]

@@RAGEHomesweetvault Interesting! I don't like sieges (defense or attack). You'll improve at the battles - I'm not that good but it all works out ok. :)

[@WilliamLawrence7]

Let me tell you why your wrong. Mods. Without them, total war is a very basic strategy/campaign game, with some pretty cool battles. You have, repeate, have to mod Total war games to get any kind of depth to the campaign, and even with the best total war mods, say ancient empires, divide et empera, Medieval Kingdoms 1212, even back to stainless steel and total realism, without mods, total war games suck. Paradox, on the other hand, I barely mod their games. They have that much depth to them already. And if I do mod, it's not the need for massive total overhauls of the game like total war always requires for any enjoyment. Now, don't get me wrong. I love both Paradox and total war. Total war has produced some of the best mods ever. I've listed several top mods already in this thread. Paradox games you don't have to mod to get a good time from, however, be prepared to buy a shit ton of dlc. But you'll never find that much depth and massiveness in any other game out of the box so we pay. So I guess it depends on how you look at it. I love both. Hell I'm in a divide et impera campaign on Rome right now, but my heart is that imperator 2.0 and hearts of alexander dlc coming out it 1 more day!

[@GudeaTW]

I think both are great.

[@michalkrasnodebski8709]

Why i prefer TW Chad over Paradox virging = epick fuckin battles ? boom end the video :D

[@neimenovani7256]

Lmao same

[@GudeaTW]

Nice

[@danielsonlisik534]

Paradox Games are not even games

[@GudeaTW]

xD

[@feo130]

Glad I am not the only one who holds this sentiment. Paradox "games" are spreadsheet simulators. Just menu after menu after menu...

[@FaithfulFumoFan23]

Cities Skylines is.