Totally Safe Scenarios (and more) | It Depends

[@chanlin007]

Runkle of the Bailey did a video on the Canadian porch pirate thing. The short version is the statement the police released doesn't really hold legal weight. Even he said, there is no reasonable expectation of privacy when you're on someone else's property. A police official in Quebec had also mentioned the issue of a presumption of innocence. Ian Runkle in his video said that sure the government has to make that presumption, but a private citizen does not. He of course explains it way better than my paraphrasing does.

[@chanlin007]

Replying to add that Runkle of the Bailey is an attorney in Canada.

[@nero3700]

I would have thought that claim made sense, but I trust Ian if he said it's BS in Canada. In most, if not all, EU countries it unfortunately is correct, you cannot post any identifiable information about someone else online without their consent. Most countries had that law already in place, and I believe it's also covered by the GDPR now. However, it is not comparable with one-party consent for phone call recordings, which is legal in most EU countries. Recording a call vs making it public are different things.

[@chanlin007]

Yeah he said you could be in defamation territory if you name and accuse the wrong person of being a thief. Even accusing the right person could go there, but only under very specific circumstances. BUT for the most part just posting the video isn't likely to lead to such a suit. Pretty much had the usual warnings against self help which is probably where the police statement was going and that the police statement by itself was mostly inaccurate.@@nero3700

[@dropatrain]

Just put a sign on your door "By stealing this package you consent to having your video released publicly." That should do it!

[@AccidentallyOnPurpose]

honestly? that is a brilliant idea

[@CreativityNull]

It works for every store, phone call, etc... So if they try to say that's not usable, they're going to have to come up with a really good argument.

[@robertl1135]

It’s Canada. They will consider the sign “hate speech” since it’s racist and transphobic to the innocent indigent person who is only commandeering an affluent member of society’s property to help the other impoverished.

[@elliotalderson4568]

The problem is you have to first prove they stole it. Them taking it does not equal stealing, in a legal sense. So if you post it first, before you prove theft, then you are still violating Canadian law. I'm not advocating for the law, just spelling out reality.

[@alleriodrone]

​@@elliotalderson4568 instead of saying if you "steal" a package you are giving consent say "if you remove anything from this porch without first getting the inhabitants permission then you give consent for the video of you in the act to be posted on any public forum"

[@ptrinch]

The Canada porch pirate statement was in response to someone getting a delivery alert, realizing from the picture that it was left on their neighbor's porch instead, and going to pick it up. Then finding out his picture was posted on social media with false accusations.

[@Avendesora]

Is there something specific I could search for to find this? Nothing I've seen has had any context, just "they said this and now people are mad" lmao.

[@ptrinch]

@@Avendesora Unfortunately, not really. It was stated in another KZbin video I watch, but in searching through my history, the only thing I found was that I watch WAY too many videos. Hate to be that guy... but "I saw it on the internet". I'll keep looking.......

[@ptrinch]

Done looking. No luck.... But consider what the statement was... Warning to people that posting the images CAN result in exposure to a defamation suit. No criminal consequences, and since the truth is the ultimate defense to defamation, if they were actually guilty... no liability. The only situation that the warning would apply is if you falsely and publicly accuse an innocent person of theft.

[@MM-ix5nf]

That brings up an interesting point. Would that be trespassing or mail tampering? The defamation would make sense if they are calling someone a their. We need you attorney Tom!

[@g.oxford]

I saw this somewhere too, can't remember where. Didn't the neighbor also put the package up to the camera to show it was addressed to him, and maybe even say it to the camera?

[@Shirley_Serious]

As someone who did plumbing, I can't think of a single reason to cut through all those joists. It's more work, horrible for the house, and almost guaranteed to piss off the homeowner. Genuinely no upside.

[@smalltime0]

One upside is that it makes content for spamuary

[@msmyrk]

The missing context here is that picture was originally posted to Reddit by a building inspector who regularly posts the dodgy stuff they see on the job. My guess is this was a DIY job, and the person thought it looked tidier, gave them more vertical space, and that they had an IQ less than their age.

[@player_3]

Somebody add more days to January. Else we need, Spambruary Spamch Spamril Spamay Spamune Spamuly Spamaugust Spamtember Spamoctober Spamvember Spamcember

[@TrimutiusToo]

My contractor is my brother-in-law and I still made sure he is bonded insured and licensed...

[@jasonpatterson8091]

Runkle of the Bailey did a video about the "Don't post porch pirates" instructions. He basically said it was nonsense and that the official involved (a sheriff or equivalent, iirc?) had no idea what they were talking about.

[@rfitzy2575]

Me in Canada: “why is it getting dark all of a sudden” *sees massive hammer fall from sky* Me: “ohhhh nooooooo” *gets squished by Attorney Tom*

[@camelholocaust5149]

That's what you get for living in canada

[@I.____.....__...__]

@@camelholocaust5149 * America Jr., all tucked away down there.

[@g.oxford]

The plumber thing... I refuse to believe this was a plumber. I'd put money on DIY homeowner or a family member/friend who could do it cheaper than the quoted plumber price. If it was a plumber, then my money would be on them being explicitly told to do it that way under protest by the plumber.

[@I.____.....__...__]

The pipes were already below the beams, wtf did they use a bend to raise them TO have to cut them? 🤦

[@DirkTheEditor]

It might be SPAMUARY but I stayed up to add some extra polish to this one for all the It Depends lovers out there. :D

[@spoobini]

oh damn are you the one responsible for the edits? main channel? or attorney reacts as well? regardless you do great work, keep it up man

[@MrBmnmtfk]

Great work my dude

[@JourneysADRIFT]

All I saw was "Depends Lovers" and for a moment I thought Tom was into some weird shit.

[@DirkTheEditor]

@@MrBmnmtfk thanks. :D

[@DirkTheEditor]

@@spoobini I do all the main channel edits, and thanks :D

[@Danny2wheels]

Outside the fact that this plumber doesn't know a thing about framing. He clearly doesn't understand plumbing code either. You're not supposed to put a sanitary tee on its side, it should be a combo instead

[@AsterInDis]

I think it's time to buy an eyepatch to keep at the office.

[@CainXVII]

How much can an eyepatch cost?

[@evilsharkey8954]

That bad plumbing is a spectacular hack job. You can already see the floor joists starting to buckle. It’s going to cost the homeowner a lot of money to have that drain pipe removed, jack up the floor, sister up all the joists, and then have a professional put another drain pipe in.

[@tyranosurasmax]

As someone who also has strabismus, fuck em. I got the surgery when I was younger, no help. It's just something we got to deal with (especially when tired).

[@krab1791]

Ian Runkle (Runkle of the Bailey), a Canadian lawyer, did a video on this and said it was BS.

[@MM-ix5nf]

If someone is stealing a package and brings this up as a violation of their rights to privacy, would that not make them have to disclose their identity to either to the police or in court?

[@KaysNewGroove]

Yes. Yes it would. You can't file a report for violation of your privacy while remaining anonymous, as they would have no proof that you are the person in the video.

[@flamingviperv12]

3:38 Tom looks so freaking happy and I am so happy for him being so happy. I love this guy.

[@jeremyortiz2927]

2:10 Is "No blood, no foul" the same 'Oh hell no' equivalent to what we say in the military "Not a war crime the first time"? 😅

[@MM-ix5nf]

Someone mentioned merch. Attorney Tom Hammers of KNOWLEDGE. Also eye patches. Lmao

[@DeepVoicedDude]

That last dude's floor is being held up by thoughts and prayers now lol

[@spoobini]

Tom you gotta make some merch man. Im going to follow every single OSHA rule automatically with a Knowledge Hammer

[@Blubberplays]

So after Spamuary, are we gonna get Febudaily?

[@TheConjurersTower]

We need it.

[@johnto744]

Honestly it's a human right

[@Here4Years]

6'1''? I think you mean 5'1'', Tom! You really need to bring your height denialism to an end.

[@Fakejordans...]

Tom: always make sure you contractors are B.I.Led

[@Finsternis..]

3:00 I can tell you how: because they don't want a lynch mentality evolving from that.

[@ukonnokia]

Love the Tom giggles during the epic hammer cut.

[@paul.phillips]

I saw that pipe job on Reddit, insane that anyone would think it's ok to notch out beams like that. Did that dude wake up and decide that he wasn't going in to McDonalds that day, and was instead going to be a plumber? Big yikes.

[@Andrew_Young]

Your haircut is nice! Also "It Depends" is my favorite series!

[@johndaniels404]

Sanity emigrated out of Canada a while ago. Unfortunately, it didn't move to its southern neighbor.

[@HarryDirtay]

Yeah, don't notch joists. All the stress is in compression on the top edge and tension on the bottom edge. The middle just holds it together.

[@noneed2719]

"and now im part of the problem" Suppose to be better than that, TOM!

[@SomeNerdOutThere]

Canada: A knowledge hammer for me? Thanks bud! Sorry 'bout that.

[@kitomiaizawa950]

Not Tom casually throwing shade at Canada 😂

[@WowOafus]

That Android phone one is such a “and everyone clapped” moment. What’s with people trying to make themselves look like victims because of their phone?

[@taimao2]

They got you with the juggling

[@smashleybreaks]

Gonna miss the daily uploads when Spamuary ends. On the brightside, I'm here till the end.

[@TheNiteinjail]

I think the Canada package thief thing is just a hypothetical liability under the charter of rights and freedoms. I can't imagine that actually holding up to challenge

[@Paradox-es3bl]

Houston stole the Cougars from Mt. Blue here in Maine?! I need to contact my old school and tell them to sue!

[@grapesvine]

If you want to react to a crazy anime trail, try: "Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt" episode 8, more specifically the second half of the episode called "One Angry Ghost" (every episode has like two episodes). The main characters are on trail fro murdering a ghost.

[@FancyRPGCanada]

I live in Canada, in BC, we are a single party consent province when it comes to phone calls.

[@antonyslaughter]

Is that for recording or publishing

[@Henoik]

When I worked for a major telecommunications company in Norway, I remember a guy called and said his identity was stolen and someone had ordered a bunch of phones in his name. He wanted to know which e-mail address it was ordered under. I said I couldn't give him that information as it would be a breach of the criminal's privacy (which...it would be according to EU law)

[@absentmindedjwc]

The "Canada commenting on recording package thieves" on - I saw a video from a canadian lawyer talking about it, and he was just as "wtf, that's not how the law works" as you were. Seems like cops that just don't want to deal with it.

[@Jmonkeh]

For the drone, that's also a variety of federal crimes, from FAA issues.

[@MultiPurposeReviewer]

That one with the kid and the phone pissed me off. The fact that some parents will let their kid do whatever they want and then brush it off like it's no big deal is infuriating.

[@notjimpickens7928]

finally, more it depends

[@LlywellynOBrien]

Bro, that juggling magician absolutely bamboozled you on the cop ban.

[@durandus676]

3:03 I thought the only rights criminals had was to an attorney to remain silent and only alleged until tried and sentenced. Especially with clear evidence

[@tdeits]

5:53 Sorry you had to make that call from all the way down there Tommy boy, us at 6’4 will be waiting for your final report after lunch.

[@markfuston2714]

Everyone gangs up on Nickelback, but I can guarantee at least half of those people would jam out to a Nickelback song..haha

[@jamesgorman5241]

Put a sign on the lawn saying if you come on to the property you accept being filmed and that film being posted.

[@bikerboymc54]

The porch pirate thing was just a frigging quebec cop and quebec is a joke! It's literally a toilet.

[@ScrambledAndBenedict]

Keep in mind I say this as a Red Seal electrician myself. Having a Red Seal means you are legally allowed to work as that trade. It does NOT mean you are good at it.

[@Vikanuck]

Now I’m starting to wonder how many badass pirates really just had a lazy eye and that was the original trick for fixing it lol 😄

[@brantbecker9255]

Tom absolutely punching the air when he heard Nickelback was playing at the Rodeo

[@__TK___]

8:54 plot twist: he’s actually fucking drunk and he only juggles 3 pins because normally he juggles with 5 when he’s sober

[@TrimutiusToo]

The main concern of posting videos about package thiefs is not their privacy, but concern that it might tip off the criminals about the criminal investigation... From what I know about Canadian law (I do live in Canada so I know a bit)

[@jamesgorman5241]

Do they go after them though?

[@Mr-pn2eh]

Knowledge hammer

[@TrimutiusToo]

@@jamesgorman5241well if camera caught the face likely yes... if it didn't they will collect evidence but most likely nothing will come out of it...

[@37thgungrunts]

The concern there being what? I know Canada is a silly and backwards place but it's not that nonsensical

[@jamesgorman5241]

@@37thgungrunts my theory is that maybe the people responsible belong more to one demographic than another and that fact being publicly demonstrated upsets certain people.

[@j_t_yang]

Tom being so pumped at the Elden Ring scene was wholesome lol

[@newmadhatter6906]

That Elden ring meme sent Tom back to his childhood

[@sawssman965]

Holding it Dine for the whole H-tine.

[@spoobini]

Tom, does the LED billboard truck still make the rounds? hyped for the return of "It Depends" edit: un-edit, changed LED to LCD but LED was right. Also Incredibly disappointed that people are still coming up with drop kick toddler stories. Id love Reddit to stop being Reddit

[@AttorneyTom]

LED billboard truck is in my friend’s driveway. Lol

[@Pr0toPoTaT0]

I love how youre a plumber and an attorney. Amazing dude!

[@mr.wookiesack]

My daughter's eye is lazy. I patch it for 2 hours daily. Doctors have discussed surgery if it's not corrected. She's 2 and a half.

[@jakobibruh1258]

Never knew you wore a patch because your eye goes lazy. Had always wondered. You’re a brave man for still wanting to record with that condition and I commend you. 💪

[@LadyMWZip]

Yes! My OTHER favorite Attorney Tom content! Never get tired of the jingle!

[@ghostbirdlary]

police officer, cop, officer of the law, police man, crime, stealing, police car, police motorcycle keeping tom in the police algorithm :)

[@KaoticWhisper]

Your jingle is really going to age well, Old attorney tom , usually in his depends

[@avasam06]

Holy crap that last one you can see the floor bending 😱

[@gonzalotoscano3310]

Think the crime and law network has a video (probably a few) about Ruby Franke (a KZbinr) and some developments in their case, don't know if it fits for spamuary tho... Btw that edit with Tom and the hammer was great, also the cropped picture had Tom with a dead pan face (expressionless), 100% good quality edit.

[@its_purgatory]

i love how happy the edit with the hammer made you lmao

[@vdjKryptosRock]

The only thing i could think of is ‘hidden cameras’ here in Canada… besides, why have cameras to defend from thieves, or others, if you’re not going to make it clear with a sign that they’re being recorded.

[@FrostyFrostySnow]

The Elden Ring knowledge hammer is absolute top tier

[@gasad01374]

if you walk onto my property, and take something that doesnt have your name on it, you are a thief. there is no question about it, there is no argument that would make you innocent.

[@markp44288]

I know Spamuary is a lot of work, and I bet you are looking forward to it being over, but I am going to miss you!

[@McLovinMods]

Can't wait to see you cover the Karl Jobst v Billy Mitchell case

[@Really-Know]

I need more eyepatch tom.

[@TheTobyOMG]

Trying to get away from the police content eh Tom? 8:25 Ladies and Gentlemen. We got him.

[@se7enhaender]

It's insane how much the "everyone hates Nickelback" meme spread so far and wide that it turned into so many people trashing them without even knowing why to the point it seriously impacted their careers, because now you have to listen to them ironically or make yourself a target. Truly wild.

[@NM-235]

If little Timmy is below the age of criminal culpability then don’t bother with the cops. Many states that 10 years old and they can’t charge the child. In most states the parent won’t carry criminal liability for the actions of the child outside specific circumstances defined by statute. That’s why you don’t see criminal charges for the parents of juvenile murders.

[@silmarian]

That University of St Thomas is the one in Minnesota, with allegedly a good law school.

[@AttorneyTom]

I know… @dirk put the wrong UST graphic!

[@KaysNewGroove]

6:40 Man used a weaponized, UAV to open fire on civilians. I'm not certain, but that sounds less like assault, and more like an act of war. As for the phone, even if I spent more money than I got back, I'd still sue. People like that need to know that their actions do, in fact, have consequences.

[@Michellee970]

Spamuary is going super well! Thank you, Tom! I really appreciate the videos. 😊

[@zerokyuuni]

Your eyepatch being at the house while you're at the office isn't going to help you be the best pirate lawyer on youtube, is it?

[@Disestablishme]

I love the theme song 😆🤘

[@coaijet7830]

Have you ever thought about surgery for your lazy eye? I had surgery for my cross eye, but I also had a very extreme case.

[@purpleduracell]

I also have lazy eye-tbh, eyepatch doesn't work. It would have worked by now if it was going to

[@fontzie9843]

Hi again Tom. Love the videos :3

[@pirat87pl]

There's no plumbing in this video.

[@DirkTheEditor]

it's the very last story at 9:15

[@TheOmegaRiddler]

Small Claims court would be the best option because it's cheap to file, you don't need to file a lawyer, just have proof. Easy to get from his employer. Along with cost to repair or replace. She could argue he shouldn't have put it down, but at the end of the day the little turd shouldn't be touching what isn't his. I'm a retail employee and I hate parents who let this happen non stop. They'll be looking at something while their kid is pulling stuff off the rails. They notice, stop their child and move to another section and repeat the process while I am staring daggers into that poor excuse of a mother. Yes. It's always the mother. Get the fuck out, be a parent and then maybe come back when they can be trusted to behave. Yes, she should pay for the phone.

[@Yor_gamma_ix_bae]

Damn the break hurt the growth huh. I had a lazy eye, playing video games and corrective glasses got rid of it. Come out when I’m tired or looking in a mirror sometimes.

[@lonefighterpilot]

Good cop video 👍

[@hijinks21]

You don't need to replace the floor or joists. Just sister another joist to the cut ones Leave it to a lawyer to ask for the moon

[@mrbeefy604]

Im currently suffering from being canadian and i just really need yalls support right now 😢

[@bikerboymc54]

Tom, just in case you missed it though and Nova Scotia Canada, the RCMP issued a warning for people to drain their tanks in their A. T. VS and any vehicles they are not using and flatten their tires because of thefts. 😂 😅 🤣 That was sometime in the fall 2023.

[@wolphin732]

You should see the reaction video about the canadian police chief saying it by a canadian lawyer who knows the laws!

[@nonyabusiness3619]

Everyone. STOP letting strangers borrow your phone. It's too risky. Besides, in this day and age, there's no reason why anyone wouldn't have their own phone. Even homeless people have a phone.

[@Mountain-Man-3000]

Tom, you can't just make up your own units. Just because you say a foot is 0.87 of it's original value doesn't make it so. It's ok to be 5'3" short king.

[@bigdoubleu117]

It's 2024 and people are still dogging on Nickelback... Somebody needs to go watch the end of Deadpool 2.

[@KnittedSister]

The REAL real question is: can they dropkick the kids mom?

[@dxjxc91]

9:00 I know where this takes place. I used to work at one of the colleges in that town.

[@garnettkaruna8767]

You assume Canada wants to punish criminals.