Battletech Episode 3

Battletech episode 3

[@wallabing]

Mechwarrior 2 and this tv show is what made me a battletech fan in the 90s.

[@Servellion]

15:11 Behold! The mighty and honorable Clan Jade Falcon warriors...attacking a farm. Also I love how the honorable Nicholai Malthus chases a lone man in a 75 ton war machine. The real show of bravery was the dude with the massive balls to attack a Summoner with a mere rifle.

[@KASASpace]

It was so ironic when they said that Kerensky will return. THE CLANS are Kerensky's descendants.

[@GhostBear3067]

During the conference on Outreach Romano Liao made the same argument and Jamie Wolf esentially told her "yup, and they are kicking your collective asses right now!"

[@chukolance]

***** NNnnnnnnnneeeeeeerd! But seriously, that's interesting.

[@GhostBear3067]

chukolance you say that like it is a bad thing lol...

[@girlgarde]

In a way, the Clans were doing what Kerensky wanted, reuniting the Inner Sphere by being the big bad enemy that the nations of the Inner Sphere have to team up against to stand a chance of not being conquered by them which could possibly have led them to form a long term alliance setup to keep the Clans at bay.

[@GhostBear3067]

ryan macdonald That view is pretty much why Clan Nova Cat joined the reborn Star League, and why any Wardens saw any point in the Invasion to begin with.

[@Sulaco1001]

I have been playing B-Tech since 1987 (I was 7!) For me the only real battletech game exists when you're playing with miniatures. Gotta love the startegy. However, Mechwarrior 1, 2, and Mercs were some damn fine games.

[@ZanTheFox]

Wow, looking at things from today and this, whew, such changes. Goes to show how much improvement technology has made since then.

[@Hasshodo]

Hehe, i took out an Atlas with an Uller A - headshot - clean and precise. But ive also taken a Mad Cat against a Griffin and gotten badly mauled because none of my damage was ever going into the same spot twice - eventually it was a head hit that knocked the pilot out. its all in how you roll, as you said.

[@pendraco2000]

man, this was honestly the first glimpse of any battletech stuff i ever saw. granted it's not all that well done, but they did at least try to make a series. and for the record, this was the first 3D i saw in any cartoon. and I'm 21 by the way, and living on my own, so don't tell me to grow up...

[@ownerfate]

i would love to see what battle tech would look like with today's CGI and animation techniques

[@darkalman]

Actually there based on a board game called "battletech" this series came out after mechwarrior 2 was released. And if you want to be technical "battletech 1st edition" or "battledroids" was a board game based on "robotech the macross saga" which was based on the "Macross" anime.

[@AnsatsuRaKarth]

Actually Harmony Gold (the owner of Robotech) sued FASA (owner of Battletech at the time of the series.), Harmony Gold won and as a result they had to remove a few of the Mechs from the series. The Wasp and Warhammer (I believe were the two) were removed from Battletech after the lawsuit when the owner decided it was a bad idea to make stuff that they did not own the international copyright to. Either way, I

[@Trueflights]

@gribae I have read up on battletech. both the old tabletop game lore and many of the novel series. been playing battletech since the 80's

[@gorillaau]

Hehe. Cartoon Connection on Channel 7. Oh the memories.

[@Kingonads]

depends on the condition of the AS7 before the head hit, seeing as the base armor is only 9pts, and a AC2 does 2pts, it is unlikely that it did get through the armor without the, now near, standard use of the floating critical rule. And even then its still long odds. But can and has happened.

[@Servellion]

It always struck me as odd that the Clans all seemed to think during the initial invasion that the IS knew what the hell a batchall was or even zellbrigen. Did none of their superiors even think to inform their soldiers the IS didn't have a ritualized formula for fighting wars?

[@Nacalal]

"I'm getting a time delay!" good to see the future still has lag... :P

[@LordZast]

The Cero subplot was probably my favourite part of the show, back in the day.

[@Servellion]

Yeah, that wouldn't work as well as you may think. If the chain snaps the weapon is useless. That's the reason they stuck with basic melee weapons such as axes and swords....and in the kodiak's case, claws. Also, it's not bajal, it's batchall.

[@ViewsHorizon]

these are episodes of missions from mech commander, I remember the farm protection.

[@ajferet]

@gribae All of those are proprietary 'Mechs of one house or another.. except Centurion. --- Commando is House Kurita --- JagerMech & Axeman are mainly Steiner/Davion --- And Catapult is Liao, but more spread out... Only Firestarter is sorta uni-sphere

[@Radar11x]

man this is a good cartoon.

[@harkeill]

It worked. At least for me, because I still get goosebumps at seeing the #D graphics during the 'Mech fights and wish other shows would bring something like that into their own series. But alas, nowadays it is all of that computer generated 3D bullcrud (ie Mobile Suit: Gundam Seed)

[@Gideon235]

I remember playing battletech on Sega Genesis.

[@litigation_jackson]

All units, initiate reduced production costs

[@embalmed]

it's nice to see clan jade falcon has fulfilled their diversity training

[@Trueflights]

@ZombiezuRFER I've taken out many assault class mechs in a wolfhound. it all comes down to the loadout and pilot skill. Heavies go down in a few well placed hits if you are good enough to place your shots all on the same location.

[@Sulaco1001]

Well play the boardgame. Sometimes you shoot the hell out of a mech, but it all depends how you roll. You could hit a mech all over without hitting a critical. Then again, I have had the priviledge using a Wasp to take out a Marauder. It all depends on the dice roll. LOL

[@TungstenWall]

Well you might try Mech Warrior: Online. It uses Cryengine 3. Atm its still in Betra, and only IS mechs, but it is slowly moving along :) Centurions look FAR better in it too.

[@Riku006]

Hello childhood, my old friend.

[@XkriskrossX]

@sarahts21 Sorta like how star wars was supposed to be only 6 movies but was later continued by fans. The new republic thing wasn't even in the original story :P

[@FranticMydlo]

So a few light and medium mechs with missiles could wipe them out?

[@stefanalander5116]

Thoes helmets looks like a nutshels to me.

[@Marinealver]

Woah, I think we actually saw some casualties here.

[@weldonwin]

@routhoula The Clan warrior caste work like Samurai, adhereing to strict codes of honour and rules of engagment that were supposed to prevent them from slipping into all out savagery. It may seem bizaar, but thats just their culture

[@Servellion]

@Gallowell And I'm pretty sure that the Clans went out of their way to maintain personal honor. Sure they sometime didn't extend it to attempting to beat the crap out of Freeborns, but yeah otherwise they went of their way to maintain personal honor with the concept of the Circle of Equals. And no not all Clans were as close-minded about freeborns. That's mostly just the Crusader clans.

[@tubechao999]

Man, it seems like FedCom/Draconis Combine should really invest in some CASE systems.

[@WeissDraconis]

Uh, theroetically, no, however, we have no prior knowledge of the conditioning of the 5 destroyed Mechs, so we do not know the core, or armor damage inflicted, not to mention that it may not have been just one Mech.

[@ZombiezuRFER]

@gribae Yeah, but an Internal ammo explosion on that shouldn't completely waste it like that. if the ammo exploded, then we'd see some exploding as it bursts out through the missile racks former place. No, this mauler was knocked down and stayed down too easily

[@halo-cn3ku]

Will someone please remaster these episodes?!?!

[@Trueflights]

@Symos kerensky was dead a few hundred years before the clan invasion. his decendants were with clan wolf however.

[@Hasshodo]

Yeah, nothing scares me more then an AutoCannon 20 and some lucky dice -

[@Spoonifyourhorny]

I dont ever remember Maddogs and Hunchbacks being so damn resistant what are they packing light and medium lasers

[@Edmar_Fecler]

1:31 holy shit does he have 6 lasers *on each leg*?! what madness is this?!

[@girlgarde]

Well he DOES have a powerful mech and is a Star Colonel so it's to be expected that he's modified his battlemech to better aid him in battle. He seemed to be angry that the defenders of Wotan /the planet his forces invaded at the start/ weren't putting up much of a fight so I guess he decided to go all out to get the battle over with as he regarded it as a massacre at that point which wasn't an honourable fight to him.

[@glitterboy2098]

ryan macdonald no, the problem is there is only enough internal space for 2 lasers at most..

[@84MadHatter]

+glitterboy2098 their weapons are so weak he stripped most of his armor and went all firepower ?!?!?!

[@loughlan775]

current meta

[@nemou4985]

Remove actuators and feet, add lasers. Can't walk, only shoot. Simple really. Also superheavy 'mechs.

[@blisterbeetle01]

I never knew that battletech had a corrosponding cartoon! when did this come out?

[@ownerfate]

i did see that, just wondering when it's going to be able to play. looks pretty nice

[@DefilerhXc]

yeah i think mechassault was the only real disapointment to the seris. iv been play the old snes game battletech after i downloaded it off a site. you only get to use the madcat but its pretty cool. anyone else remeber that game??

[@CrizzyEyes]

I know this guy's comment is old but maybe this will clear up some confusion for someone else who happens across this and didn't play any CBT (Classic Battletech). "How does a mauler die by getting knocked down and losing one of it's missile racks??? From my experience in MW4 Mercs, I can knock a mauler down in my storm rhino (custom) but it doesn't just die. That rail gun packs a punch but so far I've seen no one hit kills like that. Also, who the crap sends wolfhounds against an assault and tons of mad dogs and timberwolves? It's quite the suicide ain't it?" Your experience in Mechwarrior 4 doesn't translate at all. In Classic Battletech, there are two typical and efficient ways to kill an Assault-class 'Mech, often used together. The first is to force the pilot to roll his Piloting skill, by causing 20 damage or more in a single turn. If he fails the roll, his 'Mech gets knocked down. This does a few things. First, he takes a lot of damage to his armor from falling down. Next, the pilot (not the 'Mech) takes damage and has to make a roll to stay conscious, which becomes more difficult depending on how much damage the pilot has taken. Finally, the 'Mech is flat on the ground -- which means that all hits against it are an automatic success, AND the pilot has to make a roll just to stand up again. After the 'Mech is floored, you can target unarmored ammunition deposits or the cockpit at your leisure. Which brings me to the second method -- ammo explosions. Mechwarrior 4 (and indeed no Mechwarrior game until the recent MWO) does not feature ammo explosions, even though it's an extremely important part of Battletech. MW4 has simplified 'Mech customization, but in games like MW2 and MWO, the 'Mech customization is more-or-less an exact adaptation of CBT. These games allow you to choose where on your 'Mech everything is positioned; heat sinks, ammunition, AMS, Guardian ECM modules, BAP modules, etc. The only restrictions are that weapons can only be mounted on noted hardpoint positions, and your engine has to be in the center torso. If a location has its armor stripped, that location is then vulnerable to critical hits. A critical hit means that the components you mounted on that location will be damaged, chosen randomly. If you score a critical hit on stored ammunition, well... I think you can figure out what happens. Fortunately, CASE modules prevent ammo explosions from destroying your entire 'Mech at once... just most of it. So you see, knocking down a Mauler and aiming for the missile racks is actually THE TEXTBOOK WAY to kill an Assault-class 'Mech. To answer your other question about "who sends light 'Mechs to deal with assaults," the funny thing about that is in CBT (and in MWO) it's extremely hard to hit light 'Mechs, because you receive massive modifiers to-hit based on how far a 'Mech moves in a turn. Light 'Mechs move the farthest, so they are the hardest to-hit. To give you some perspective on how much this matters, you roll two dice at once, and then add the numbers together to see if you hit someone. The target number to hit an Atlas is 4. The target number to hit a Locust is 11. Yeah. Combine that with the fact that changing your facing costs MOVEMENT, and, well, you end up with an Atlas that can't get those god-damn bugs off its back. Also, if Adam would stop being a damn idiot and answer Nikolai's batchall, he wouldn't have to deal with all of the Jade Falcon forces at once...

[@ghostnite245]

MW3 best mech game. Mwo is a joke.

[@vanguardiano7309]

@@ghostnite245 I love mechwarrior 3. Mechwarrior 3 was the first game I ever played.

[@Capng123]

I love all these comments criticising this show for insignificant, nerdy minutia. Relax guys, it's just TV. It's not like the animators were getting paid to leaf through rulebooks to ensure every scene fits the rules of the game. That said, I'm amazed nobody's complained that the "enhanced imaging" sequences show the topography with a linear grid instead of a hex grid, I figure that would be the first complaint from battletech die-hard fans...

[@brybish]

so this is what the superb mechwarrior games were based on.

[@ajferet]

@retrospectus Sigh --- "Romulus" was the legendary founder of ancient Rome. (Also his brother Remus and Aeneas)

[@argetect2847]

1:32 what it feels like to chew 5 gum

[@akito272]

Why the IS allways fights with centurions? i didnt see other mechs =( did i miss something? The clans are in Madcats that´s not fair xD

[@Symos]

"Where was Kerensky when the clans invaded?" Invading with Clan Wolf if I recall right?

[@vanguardiano7309]

Wolf was Kerensky's favorites so I think so.

[@shadow2777]

I THINK IT's A HELLBRINGER WITH A CUSTOM JOB

[@obliviousfafnir01]

It's in closed beta now. You should sign up ^_^ They also have premium founders packages that get you instant access to closed beta.

[@boats752]

yeah its all in the roll i killed the pilot of a atlas with a AC2 at long range in an area combat once, the salvage price was well worth it

[@CreativeMindsAudio]

i hate that this show didn't continue.

[@girlgarde]

Ciro Ramirez may have been a jerk but he risked himself to save the lives of civilians and got captured in the process.

[@XxHunter04xX]

Been swapping from watching this and playing Mechwarrior Online. You won't regreet getting it XD

[@Cakekreidler]

240p my old nemesis... we meet again

[@Proudtobeacommie]

Erm....Were those farmers.....farming Emu ?O.o

[@nordicberserk]

There are books? Where do i buy them?

[@Significantpower]

Gotta love Elementals!

[@malbloto2]

Vulture and Mauler FTW!!!!

[@Goldhawk7]

Oh boy That's a hearty laugh at 19:19.

[@89BlackGatomon]

Good fight... Clan tech is way more worth but still there keep kicking some clan mates ass ;D

[@drfloorpills]

What are the names and classes of the holographic mechs they're fighting?

[@malbloto2]

What Kind of Mech is Mathus driving?

[@PoptartsNinja]

They were: a Crab, a Champion, and a Thug

[@jasemgee]

Holy shit, this is from Cartoon Connection? I feel old.

[@NodDisciple1]

When I saw this back in the day, it was on the public/free channels. A WB affiliate I think.

[@animerox1341]

Story moved a bit too fast in this one, the characters didn't really have time to reflect on what had happened. Still, chances are that was due to an episode limit or something rather than bad story telling. A good episode in a damn good show regardless.

[@harkeill]

@olddog5655 Obviously you do not recognise cutting edge 90s computer graphic when you see it. Nor do you appreciate it.

[@Sulaco1001]

True, I did like Mechcommander--2 is okay.

[@shadow2777]

can you name those 3 holo mechs

[@WeissDraconis]

To be honest, LunarWolf, if you didn't like it, then why did you leave a comment? If you don't like it, don't ruin it for those of us who do. And pendraco2000, the Jenner is the correct answer, however, one should note the Owens is the upgraded Jenner.

[@Korraganitar]

@ottselguy if you can call an alliance of convience that collapsed as soon as the clans were stopped "bringing back" the golden age of humanity...

[@retrospectus]

i wonder if star trek fans get worked up about the name romulus? i woulda thought gene roddenberry had copyrighted stuff like that

[@Seriona1]

Again, I hate the way the Clan are being told. The Clans never would force people to "reeducate" them.

[@VaciliNikoMavich]

Caesar Seriona Well remember: this is Jade Falcon. They were forna long time, head of he Crusader Clans -Smoked Jaguar being with them. They were the hkt heads lf the clans, while Wolf and Ghost Bears were..the friendly, patient and lenient clans.

[@Bluetavius]

You can also tell that the graphics are what was supposed to sell the show

[@shadow2777]

somethings wierd about the planets name wotan it sounds like it came from the games

[@Marinealver]

lol, so a "Pajol", is that where both combatants bid on a point limit?

[@Nebulafox]

"Bachall" when opponents bid their forces, reducing their units to the minimum amount they think to win the battle. In Clan lore, the warriors who bid the lowest and win gain the greater glory.

[@CrizzyEyes]

"Batchall," and it goes even further than that. In the 1st episode, Nikolai contacted Adam Steiner with his batchall. He expected Adam to tell him exactly the makeup of his forces on Somerset. In return, Nikolai would then tell him the makeup of his forces. It's actually in the Inner Sphere defender's best interest to tell them how many forces they have (or lie about it, which the Clans quickly got wise to) since the Clan commander will then choose an attacking force that will make it a fair fight, or even give the defender an advantage. At the end of a batchall, both commanders traditionally say "well bargained and done," like Kristen Redmond did in episode 2. Afterwards, the Clan commander's subordinates bicker and fight over the right to be in the commander's limited attacking forces. This show is bizarrely incredibly lore-accurate a lot of the time, but misses a few small bits occasionally -- like Kristen's Mad Dog not having any missiles for some reason, and the Clan 'Mechs having superior armor.

[@ajferet]

@bocayuki oops: I had it confused with the Panther...

[@HippieInHeart]

i rather think this is based on the games than vice versa

[@numbersevenforthewin]

I didn't know clan rules included the destruction of ostriches.

[@sturnfield7783]

Madcats!

[@phantommauler3602]

Funny Malthus is complaining about innerspere being dis honourable and it's like what are they suppost to do there weapons don't scratch the paint of clan mechs they over heat faster than clan mechs do

[@DaUziel]

@brybish No, just the same IP.

[@YeomanArcher]

Oh, not the livestock.

[@sarahts21]

@brybish Nope. All based of a board game called... BattleTech.

[@Xhado17]

And then they tore themselves apart all over again within a decade.

[@OsirisLord]

Victor goes off to defeat Smoke Jaguar and put together a coalition strike force. So his sister murders his mom and splits the Federated Commenwealth in two, igniting a civil war when he gets back. Ten years later she escapes and joins Clan Wolf. Katherine Steiner-Davion is the ultimate karma houdini.

[@ZombiezuRFER]

How does a mauler die by getting knocked down and losing one of it's missile racks??? From my experience in MW4 Mercs, I can knock a mauler down in my storm rhino (custom) but it doesn't just die. That rail gun packs a punch but so far I've seen no one hit kills like that. Also, who the crap sends wolfhounds against an assault and tons of mad dogs and timberwolves? It's quite the suicide ain't it?

[@Servellion]

@SartoriusSeven I saw a thug if that counts. Also a Champion and a crab.

[@RetroAmateur1989]

a savage warmonger calling someone a barbarian? LOL

[@TheGroundedAviator]

@weldonwin And it seems too work, mostly.

[@Beast222Jolly22JWB]

Maybe they are volunteer unit from KGB prison they will sacrifice or they win !!!

[@obliviousfafnir01]

It looks like mechwarrior online. Look it up.

[@Servellion]

@malbloto2 A Summoner.

[@ownerfate]

indeed

[@VaciliNikoMavich]

Wow...I'd have thought the Mauler would have faired better :(

[@Bluetavius]

that a Champion at 2:51?

[@ownerfate]

yeah