Touhou UM - Momoyo Oomukade "Dragon Eater" Timeout [TAS]

[@ResinUdongeInaba]

Holy hell Spellcard’s so hard the TAS died

[@akenohononiku916]

It was okay at first "Oh Yukari card pretty much negates any skill necessary, this is boring" Then the desperation phase kicks in That's just total BS

[@kr3533]

Gengetsus Final timeout, Yukari Border of life and ded, and Momoyo's Dragon eater, the trinity of "I'm gonna destroy your pacifist route once and for all".

[@notaco2hu]

I remember being new and i tried timing out boundary of life and death and getting the largest amount of danmaku shoced in my face i’ve ever seen

[@kr3533]

@@notaco2hu XD Ikr, sometimes when I can't beat that spellcard at time, i'm jist like: Okay Yukari, just delete the border between bullets and my face, just go ahead /dies dramatically

[@kr3533]

@Donhimesama Daifutari Yeah, to me all of them are AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@melodywawichi802]

0:15 This seems easy so far, dont get what's so hard about it 1:01 yawn im bored 1:17 uh-oh 1:23 why are the bullets not going away? 1:30 wait hold on please stop 1:37 OH HELL NAH

[@Hijiri_MIRACHION]

And people say that newer Touhou games have gotten easier... Momoyo's obviously here to prove that modern Touhou can be just as hard as the older games. Clearly she's heard of Gengetsu's timeout and wanted to make something more over the top than even that.

[@ZackLikesBreadAlot]

i think the reason people think newer touhou games are easier is because you can just cheese them easily, but without those season release, beast mode or whatever it was in touhou 17 and ability cards, yeah these game arent easy at all

[@Hijiri_MIRACHION]

@@ZackLikesBreadAlot I think the lack of one could partially explain why LoLK was as hard as it was (well that and the fact that it was made for Pointdevice mode, which was literally made to let you try until you succeed, though at least that reset you back to the checkpoint). It may also be why the difficulty drop is so noticeable in HSiFS onwards (besides the gimmicks, anyway).

[@ZackLikesBreadAlot]

@@Hijiri_MIRACHION ngl imagine lolk with ability cards, the difficulty would instantly drop

[@Hijiri_MIRACHION]

@@ZackLikesBreadAlot To be fair, some ability cards wouldn't have existed back then as they belonged to characters that didn't exist in 2015, but I'm sure ZUN would've found some way to make them broken.

[@SUPERNOOB20]

And I thought Ripples in Touhou 6 Extra was dirty enough of a timeout lmaoo

[@SUPERNOOB20]

I have no idea what a Gengetsu is, mr Dai Futari

[@SUPERNOOB20]

Ah, LLS. Nah, prewindows won't run for me. But it's cool to hear!

[@NeoNickz]

@@SUPERNOOB20 how come? pc-98 isn't that hardware intensive, would understand if u were on mobile only tho

[@GarryDumblowski]

To be honest this looks like a bug, like the spell originally had a shorter timer and ZUN forgot to make the code that deactivated the bullet spawners persist after the original timer ran out or something. Usually with desperation phases (except Gengetsu) it's expected you're theoretically still able to dodge it, and like, why would this have a desperation phase anyway? Do all of Momoyo's spells have them?

[@somewackoonyoutube2449]

Gengetsu: I have the hardest phase in the series Momoyo Oomukade: Yukari, hold my beer!

[@unfunniestman]

"Let's dig up! *proceeds to violate the spell card rules by placing arrowhead spawners everywhere*" - Himemushi Momoyo

[@voisenyerasylum]

TAS managed to get to 13 seconds (with cards) before bombing My best attempt at doing this so far is 35 seconds left (no cards) Going below 30 may be possible, but below 20 is definitely impossible for human play I only got to 35 due to good bullet rng Edit: I reached 30 just today-

[@_Compound_]

This has to be some kinda bug on ZUN's part. No shot he left this in on purpose.

[@notaco2hu]

I don’t believe this is the type of thing you bug

[@_Compound_]

@@notaco2hu it just feels like such a strange thing to implement, and there’s a good amount of weird bugs that usually get removed during playtesting in this game where it almost wouldn’t shock me. (Stuff like the defective fairies with bullets that don’t move at the end of the extra stage)

[@ububububububububub1667]

you're right, momoyo is a centipede

[@examswillkillmeoneday1265]

Yeah definitely there's an issue with how the spellcard is programmed, I think it just keeps ramping up without a cap. I feel like Momoyo is straight up breaking the spellcard rules with this one lol.

[@lockaltube]

First reaction: Why TAS? Looks easy enough. Little did I know...

[@Bravidunno]

Oh no the bullet spawners stay alive longer.

[@Bravidunno]

@Donhimesama Daifutari Nue final

[@Bravidunno]

@Donhimesama Daifutari How long did you hold on on Nue final timeout phase without dying?

[@jojo989GD]

harder than gengetsu?

[@Hazel564]

this is the hardest spell card

[@maglev0789]

Given that even a TAS run couldnt avoid damage, this is just actually impossible to do damageless. This wasnt playtested, was it?

[@notaco2hu]

I tried around 3 times before uploading. I think the screen would easily just be too flooded eith bullets to move. Not sure how much zun would have tested something obviously to just make you die

[@WatatsukiNoToyohime]

Is this a bug? Because it just look like pass bullet cap....

[@akenohononiku916]

I wonder if an AI controlled player can dodge this

[@notaco2hu]

I don’t think so. It literally fills the screen up witj bullets to where there’s no space anymore. I guess i could make a showcase with invul turned on

[@thisrg7054]

This is just BAD design. There are good ways to make hidden timeout phases and this is not it. Good examples: QED, Nue's final and Wall of Issun. They are extremely hard patterns but all possible to clear. Also, it's clear there was at least some level of thought behind them. A final challenge for those who find it, nice stuff. This is just a pure garbage tho. Anyone can make an "impossible" pattern simply by going on danmakufu and setting some numbers to absurds values. Anyway, at the end of the day it's still free since it doesn't have an invicibility shield or a long timer. You just gotta tank some resources. It's that funny paradox where a pattern is impossible you don't have to even dodge, so it ends up being easy since you'll be forced to bomb it.

[@emerald6489]

You pick, WAAAAARIOOOO!

[@abarette_]

this is definitely just unintentional though no need to get so worked up lol

[@notaco2hu]

I don’t think it’s unintentional, you don’t just bug something like that

[@omgitshim]

My dad works for Cave and he said they cancelled Ketsui 2 because Momoyo is better than anything they've ever done

[@GarryDumblowski]

@omgitshim real "My Uncle works at Nintendo" vibes there LMAO (But it's honestly not that unbelievable)