Asriel with 7 souls used all of his power to destroy a barrier into the underground. So he is city level at best. Timelines aren't universes. Universes are made of planets and stars. Undertale cosmology is just the underground, the surface and the sun. So if chara destroyed the whole undertale they could at best have destroyed at galaxy level and at worst at city level, if they destroyed just the underground. Chara's power relies on the game mechanic of undertale. They are at max power only if they were in undertale. They are a kid with a knife in crossbattles. Even if they weren't touhou is much higher tier
@chaospowerscale Жыл бұрын
Idk who suppose to won but w edit
@Lui_576 ай бұрын
Reimu vs Chara = Reimu no diff Yukari Yakumo vs Asriel Dremurr = Yukari Yakumo no diff
@hrkinezz4419ez Жыл бұрын
thats really really well explained and researched, fr gg its rare in those debates. But touhous arent really scalabale and you shouldnt take them seriously, zun give powers to his characters without much on his mind, like for example nue abilities havent showed any limitation same for yukari etc etc... (especially for yukari like bruh she can literally manipulate every single concepts if its on top of another, and again it showed no limit, as a proof theres her "nickname" in touhou 15.5 and idfk just the random shit she randomly does in the mangas or in general) and on top of that zun is ultra vague on his lore and its stuff inside, like for example reimus extra speed that makes her above the layer of reality or whatever, wtf it mean like fr its so vague, "reimu become virtualy invincible" is an interpretation and thats the problem, we can only do interpretations, (like she never used it like bruh im sure zun forgor she even had that) or idk how makai description completly changed between th5 and 12. all that to say, yes touhou is very rich, but it doesnt mean its stuff is well explained or used (or even logic lol). And you should put yourself at zun place, from how he explain how he make his games hes just making lolis with funny abilities and cute designs shooting other lolis while destroying reality, theres literally nothing else to look for or understand. but yea except this bible i wrote i respect your effort, and im sure if you continue to search like you did you will end up with the same conclusion i gave you, i was like you before but time slapped me back to reality ez
@Zortoo1 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate the effort of explaining how touhou is hard to power scale and I understand that, but personally, I would rather interpret it in my on way and I ignored all no limits fallacies that I could find.
@Zortoo1 Жыл бұрын
And mostly I just wanted to have fun with it, yk?
@hrkinezz4419ez Жыл бұрын
@@Zortoo1yea theres no problem with it just dont take it too seriously m8 also i got notified 1 month later wtf youtube
@Lui_576 ай бұрын
@@hrkinezz4419ez Touhou Best danmaku Game and videogame franchise.
@Alexander247 Жыл бұрын
Bro can't be deadass💀 There's so much wrong with this scaling😭 Reimu vs chara: 1: string theory follows the idea that there's 10 dimensions. This would mean cosmology would go to touhou, seeing as how timelines only make undertale 5D. (after watching the video through i saw that you gave cosmology to touhou. Nevermind this point then) 2: sakuyas knives don't have temporal omnipresence, since they don't exist all throughout time. It's also not an immeasurable speed feat since that would require going to any point in time through pure speed. 3: there's no proof chara even erased a timeline. If you're using the vs battle wiki, it says that it should specifically say that it's a timeline that got destroyed. Also, chara says "world" just like how flowey says "world" when referring to the underground. If chara meant timeline, then they would've said so. This is also backed by the wind in the background. And even then, there's no proof chara destroyed multiple timelines. 4: hyper goner doesn't grant immeasurable speed. As a vs battle wiki moderator said, time has to be flowing like normal. It can't be erased, warped, manipulated, etc. As they said, otherwise any character could move at immeasurable speed. 5: chara isn't omnipresent, chara is just a ghost. 6: chara's knife isn't better. It's just a normal knife, where as reimu's gohei can kill non-physical beings which chara's knife can't. Yukari vs asriel: 7: Yukari fought equally with suika, who destroyed the infinite heavens with a single punch while drunk. 8: asriel has shown no speed feat, while Yukari flew to the end of an infinite corridor in touhou 8.
@Etiquette-v7s7 ай бұрын
Yo sup it me again so this is pretty well explained but didn’t Chara not transcends the timelines for Undertale not saying she will win it been over 5 years since I played undertale
@Alexander2477 ай бұрын
@@Etiquette-v7s first you'd have to prove that chara destroyed a timeline. And even then, when chara destroyed it, they were gone as well as anyone else.
@Etiquette-v7s7 ай бұрын
@@Alexander247I heard Sakuya destroyed timelines is that true? Ngl I am a new Touhou fan and I had been hearing alot of people telling me 2hu is only complex multiverse other told me it was outer while others told me it was High hyper so yeah but Didn’t Sakuya not destroy timelines (what I heard)
@Etiquette-v7s7 ай бұрын
@@Alexander247yo do you have discord?
@Alexander2477 ай бұрын
@@Etiquette-v7s she hasn't destroyed any timelines. But she can erase stuff from timelines and summon other versions of herself from other timelines. And if you're new, don't bother with cosmology. You should focus on hax instead.
@FCTouhou Жыл бұрын
In cage lunatic runagats they say that lunarian technology is better way better than the outside humans so I don't think tech goes to undertale. Btw what is the tier in this video for both? And how can you scale touhou higher?
@Zortoo1 Жыл бұрын
1 This is gensokyo’s tech and undertale seems to be more advanced than normal human tech 2 Reimu and Yukari are both 6d/low complex 3 There is a scan telling us that there are uncountable Otherworlds which could be wanked to high hyper or low outer
@FCTouhou Жыл бұрын
@@Zortoo1 Thanks for the reply. Which scan?
@Zortoo1 Жыл бұрын
@@FCTouhou en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Dr._Latency%27s_Freak_Report/Story An Instant that Exceeds Planck's Time
@Alexander247 Жыл бұрын
@@Zortoo1 oh? I didn't know undertale used nuclear fusion as a power source? You do know about the kappa right?
@Zortoo1 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for 100 subs btw❤
@CosmoDaEdit Жыл бұрын
astral regulator thanos (comics) vs infinity ultron (ucm what If)
@Hazel564 Жыл бұрын
hecatia solos (ik featless character but zun said she is the strongest)
@Lui_576 ай бұрын
Yeah hecatia solos beyond no concept of diff.
@stephenbeatty98563 ай бұрын
@@Lui_57 uncle samsonite solos
@braindeadcelestial Жыл бұрын
Wtf is happening on screen 😂
@shikieikiyamaxanadu-qh8yy Жыл бұрын
Wait question which touhou? Anime or game
@Zortoo1 Жыл бұрын
Game
@shikieikiyamaxanadu-qh8yy Жыл бұрын
@@Zortoo1 ok fax
@Inkrack Жыл бұрын
Dante vs Reimu
@Lui_576 ай бұрын
Reimu wins low diff
@kristoferj.j8398 Жыл бұрын
Now alphatale vs touhou
@Red_Dead_Decepticon8 ай бұрын
Then let's count Earth X for Touhou
@Lui_576 ай бұрын
Aún así touhou ganaría.
@ItsMeFaker1004 ай бұрын
@@Lui_57faker 404:
@Lui_574 ай бұрын
@@ItsMeFaker100 Ok nice but tell me another verse that is not for powerscaling + is not a zzzz verse Ok. Touhou still better verse by far.
@ItsMeFaker1004 ай бұрын
@@Lui_57 touhou 🤝 umineko In being a shitty verse thats most likely bad written and 90% of the characters are girls.
@lancergameing Жыл бұрын
Simply Chara would beat reimu due to Chara being dead (from what we know) but still can control other souls.
@Zortoo1 Жыл бұрын
Reimu can attack spirits, which is what I assume Chara is
@Lui_576 ай бұрын
@@Zortoo1reimu solos infinite charas no concept of diff
@Lui_576 ай бұрын
Chata is like an average weak youkais, and reimu just goes and kills he. 🤫🧏
@AmmarPW11 ай бұрын
Time for AUs power scaling.. 💀
@Чешуйчатый-д9м4 ай бұрын
So…we can take Touhou Lost Word too? Then it won’t change much lol.
@KING_OF_ALL_DINOSAURS Жыл бұрын
Toby fox/Gaster neggs
@Red_Dead_Decepticon8 ай бұрын
Zun>>>>> Gaster is Featless
@Lui_576 ай бұрын
@@Red_Dead_Decepticon stupid easter egr 🤫🧏
@sleepytea7996 Жыл бұрын
Request touhou junko vs thanos with all of the infinity stone's marvel comic's with proof
@Zortoo1 Жыл бұрын
Something more fair please💀
@sleepytea7996 Жыл бұрын
@@Zortoo1 who do you think wins cause i already know the clear Winner 😏
@Zortoo1 Жыл бұрын
@@sleepytea7996 comic thanos neg diff with stones
@sleepytea7996 Жыл бұрын
@@Zortoo1 fax I actually thought you were gonna say junko wins like other touhou fanboys
@sleepytea7996 Жыл бұрын
@@Zortoo1 and you want a fair one eh well how about 1 hecatia vs anti spiral 2 junko vs sung jin woo with the full power of the shadow monarch 3 shinki vs dormamu