Towards Extinction: the Fate of Lebanon & Middle Eastern Christians - History of Today

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[@erics7992]

That bit about early Protestants being seen as 'crypto Jews' by the Catholics of the time deserves its own episode.

[@JIMBOBOG]

Another great stream, thank you AM.

[@sedoskovelha123]

Not sure its your ballpark, but I would be hyped for a complete history of greek civilization, from antiquity to modernity.

[@ajsj]

@@sedoskovelha123 in a way, a condensed version of this has already been done.

[@Nylonscheme]

Often filled with conjecture so if someone does do Greek civilization in depth, will be nice to see that stick with known verifiable depictions and quotations vs greek experts saying wild things about the septuigent. First time hearing this channel so I’m not speaking directly for or against. Just imo seems the Greeks are revered somewhat over zealously.

[@RoyalProtectorate]

AM can you please start a substack for writing articles and a place where you can also post your livestream podcast at, would love to see if there are any other thoughts you have that you be interested in doing quick write ups.

[@mikets42]

The story of Middle-Eastern Christians is so similar to Jewish. .. When I met Ex-Lebanese Christians in Canada, I've heard so familiar tones and emotions... I wish the Chrsitians' time in exile from their homeland won't last so long.

[@erics7992]

The homeland of any real Christian is not on earth.

[@lawrencerockwood7623]

The West should only assist polities with secular constitutions.

[@DSTH323]

Jones could not be more wrong. Dangerously so.

[@RobertPentangelo]

The Jews are always the victims and not the victimizers. Assuming they admit to the existence of the Lord Jesus Christ which now they usually cannot employ, it is all the fault of the Romans.

[@rideforever]

Great stream, particularly likes the partial synergy between Protestantism and Judaism. But after careful reflection, it seems to me that it was Lincoln who in 1850 destroyed the image of the Founding fathers, white Christian nation. His XO was a weapon of race-mixing against the south. And that XO, using race against white people as a war-weapon has become the Greatest Hits that keeps coming on the radio. WW2 and Woke are just modern remixes. Until the Prime Symbol is returned .... Western culture chases the race-mixing suicide dream. And yes, ultimately Protestants - they just don't feel it because they don't take the Eucharist so have no feeling-bridge. Also ... Europe did not feed America with culture, America was not used as the Vanguard of Europe .... eventually ties were lost and other forces (for instance the negrenergy / minority causes) took over the entire emotional tone of America was replaced with the head of a snake.

[@onetwokaafour]

@@rideforever what is XO?

[@rideforever]

@@onetwokaafour executive order

[@Excelnaught-f4b]

By the time Americans were choosing clients in the Middle East, the Christian populations were non-viable. Meanwhile Israel showed it could win in 1948. You don’t need to get much more complicated than that

[@TickleMeChelmno]

You’re implying that Israel is a western bulwark when it actually isn’t.

[@Lucadnn]

@@TickleMeChelmno Yes, it is literally just a ultranationalist, athiest jewish state created due to extremely vocal and radical zionists after the 48' war afterwhich forced the hand of truman to actually recognise israel as a state. Not to mention that all citizens of the palestinian state are treated with the same contempt regardless of ethnicity or religion.

[@Excelnaught-f4b]

@@TickleMeChelmno No the hosts of the video implied that. I am poking a hole in their reasoning. As it happens your view is also closer to the “official” American view, which is that it is an alliance between equals whose interests coincide

[@TickleMeChelmno]

@Excelnaught-f4b Oh so what’s my view? That Israel controls American congress. How many jays are in American government, media etc? How many Christians are in Israeli government, media etc? That’s your answer for who has the bulwark. Be a man and own that you think ‘the west’ controls Israel. We get nothing out of this arrangement.

[@ajsj]

Dont forget to continue the conversation at the AM club discord: discord.gg/sccFzAef

[@ArtilleryAffictionado1648]

People there are rude and childish

[@ajsj]

@@ArtilleryAffictionado1648 come to me, report them. There haven’t been any complaints but we have rules in place for a reason.

[@ajsj]

@@ArtilleryAffictionado1648 report them to me. Come to me and talk. There are rules in place for a reason.

[@TickleMeChelmno]

No, Armenia cannot and will not rely on Iran, who also didn’t come to their defense during the seizure of Karabakh. And no Iranians and Armenians are not distant cousins. Armenians are closer to Greeks and Albanians.

[@Aestheticaye]

@@TickleMeChelmno I am Armenian and have studied Irano-Armenian religious, cultural and linguistic exchanges across the centuries. Your assertion is false when it comes to Iran and its precursor civilizations. The Greeks and Armenians were the first and second largest populations inhabiting Byzantium prior to Ottoman conquest and there emerged a deeper cultural and historical tie between the 2 peoples sharing the same minority status under Ottoman rule--but Armenians have always been closely influenced and allied with Parthian and Sasanian empires and their adoption of Zoroastrianism.

[@TickleMeChelmno]

Aestheticaye I meant ancestrally, religiously and linguistically closer to Greeks, but even then I would still say they std closer to Greek culture. A few thousand Armenians in Iran doesn’t change that, as you can see ethnic Iranians don’t even border Armenia. Iran did not come to the defense of Armenia like they said they would even when Azerbaijan invaded.

[@Aestheticaye]

@@TickleMeChelmno I admire the Greeks and of course Hellenism also permeated Armenian culture---Garni Temple etc. We are an incredibly adaptable peoples and have learned how to survive in this world of conflict.

[@TickleMeChelmno]

The Palestinians are not outbreeding the jays. This data is readily available. Israel has a whopping 3 children per vvoman. Meanwhile Arab, Turkish and Iranian birthrates are collapsing.

[@crazykev5]

Palestinians have a 3.5. it would be a slow grind and not counting immigration from Jews outside of Israeli.

[@arielbemeliahu8619]

Orthodox jews in israel will have like 12 kids. Also even secular israelis will still have 3 minimum

[@crazykev5]

@@arielbemeliahu8619 Am I am sure other Jews don't have kids. That's why you use total birthrates.

[@TickleMeChelmno]

crazykev5 And that’s my point. It’s converging even in Gaza. The jays are constantly supplemented by Aliyah. That’s why they are colonizing the West Bank. They have too many people and too high birthrates. They are winning on every single front.

[@savioblanc]

​@@arielbemeliahu8619the Orthodox Jews are breeding but not fighting. They want the Secular Jews to fight and die for the state of Israel but keep breeding like rabbits. Look at the way they got all ruffled and angry when Israel announced they need to go fight on the frontlines