Yuval Noah Harari: Free Speech, Institutional Distrust, & Social Order | Making Sense

[@squarecircle1473]

Sam, if you read this, please continue this great work. I feel the world needs it more than ever right now. Intelligent, reasonable discourse. It's greatly appreciated and it is valued.

[@Anan-qq7fg]

Sam needs to have the amazing Christopher Bollyn on!

[@robertblake1228]

They both keep speaking over the other one for the full podcast.

[@skiphoffenflaven8004]

@@robertblake1228 That's all you see and hear, huh? The full podcast? Get off the internet, please.

[@altereddogma]

@@robertblake1228 It’s called conversation.

[@zerkton2648]

Perhaps give the entire interview also. Getting cut off at the high of the conversation is just plain annoying. What I don’t need is another subscription to what ever you’re selling. Substack is it 👎

[@marcelobrenha]

The idea that, in a free market of information, truth is likely to lose, is a profound insight. Many people fail to recognize that truth is often complex, unsettling, or even disheartening, whereas lies can be simple, comforting, and aligned with people’s desires or biases. This dynamic makes falsehoods inherently more appealing, giving them a competitive edge in public discourse. It’s a crucial point to emphasize in debates, as acknowledging it helps us understand why misinformation spreads so easily, and why seeking truth requires more effort and vigilance than simply accepting what is easy to believe.

[@GIANNISMAVRIKOPOULOS]

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[@MMARavid]

Well said

[@enyskept]

Very well said!

[@baddoggie101]

Truth makes a cameo appearance, from time to time, but it is never wholeheartedly embraced.

[@Saeder]

This is amazing! Big smile on my face knowing Sam has a proper studio now!

[@aeiouaeiou100]

What are you doing here wasting XP?

[@Papaconstantopoulos]

Beast

[@KevinsDisobedience]

Right, it’s about time.

[@michaeljfigueroa]

Nice to see him back in the world. I disagree with him so often. That's not a bad thing!!!

[@cwcarson]

My guess is that the main reason Sam hasn't had video is because his guests aren't always able to be with him in person. He obviously thinks having his guests recorded on webcams wouldn't make a good product.

[@Splitbrainmusic1]

"the truth is very costly. \fiction is very cheap...." What a great conversation between these 2 lighthouses of free thought, intellectual integrity & wisdom. An enormous thank you to BOTH of you 🙏

[@BlackWolf-uk2yb]

Indeed its why we pay others to do it for us! The BIGGER problem is we have lost Trust in others to do it!

[@altereddogma]

@@BlackWolf-uk2yb We’ve also stopped teaching critical-thinking. Some people are born with the inherent ability to think critically; they are born with the need to ask questions and think critically so they do it automatically, and throughout their lives they seek out others like them and hone the skill. Most people, though, must learn to do it and they must learn how to do it. Unfortunately, in the USA at least, our educational institutions have stopped teaching critical-thinking to everyone, beginning with our public schools. It was never taught enough in the pre-college grades, but at least we used to get some in Middle and High Schools. Now it does not exist at all, and one can go all the way through college without any critical-thinking instruction. It’s the same with U. S. government instruction, which is why so many Americans cannot even name our three branches of federal government and are clueless about how their own state and federal governments work. One would think that public (government funded) schools would at least carefully teach their students about government, yet they do not. Because publishers will publish anything they believe will sell and social media sites allow whatever will make money, regardless of how low-quality the research is or how low the standards are for writing or saying only what is verifiable and proved verified, we are awash in misinformation. Too often it ruins the lives of innocent people who are targeted and it misleads the rest of us, creating chaos and polarization for our society because millions of people are quick to believe what makes them most comfortable; they believe what feels intuitively likely or true to them without doing the mental work of looking at things from other perspectives. This is true of those on the political Left, Right, In-between, and religious single-issue voters. Lazy acceptance of over-simplified information merely because it feels right to them as individuals instead of vetting through a critical-thinking lens all information fed to them also influences their private lives and relationships. Higher-education institutions share responsibility because they are not requiring the effort of genuine scholarly work from students. They also hire and give tenure to professors who make names for themselves in the social sciences by publishing their “theories” (in quotes because so many do not even reach the level of theories, but instead are nothing more than philosophical, untestable hypotheses they present as fact). They hire such professors for the buzz they create, not for the quality of their work, and then pay them to teach students who uncritically swallow whatever the professors shovel at them until what is being shoveled is ideologically popular. At the same time, professors who openly disagree with what becomes ideologically popular, arguing that the new information is not supported by fact or high-quality research, but is in fact only ideology, are not supported but instead are punished by the institutions they work for until they are silenced. All of the above is a dangerous combination for a democracy/democratic republic because it cannot be an informed population capable of governing itself justly and efficiently.

[@boatman6736]

Damn, talk about rock solid conversation! Pure logic and reasoning on full display. Just a joy listening. Sam and Yuval, you rock!

[@WoolandFlax]

Imagine praising Yuval the WEF associate.

[@keepcalmjustanopinion]

Conversations like this are what the world needs right now. Thank you both❤

[@Lordbyrongillespie]

You mean “circlejerks” like this?

[@richardhedd3080]

@@Lordbyrongillespie don’t be a dick

[@richardh7231]

Sadly their Trump Derangement Syndrome has destroyed their credibility

[@temporaryusername2075]

@@keepcalmjustanopinion where was the "conversation". It was more like an interview. Noah is never interested in others ideas, never asks a question, just speaks from his books , never discussed anything

[@Internet_Enjoyer]

Seriously, Mr. Harari, what gives you the confidence to keep touring the world and doing all that interviews? I have read your recent books, and while noone expects a flawless prediction of the future, youre predictions were way beyond average and most of your books havent aged well at all. You were frankly more wrong about most major developments than a bunch of school kids that would be asked the same questions. "Unthinkable to see another territorial war in Europe".... "We live in the most peaceful era ever".... and so on and so on. I don't get why you dont correct your predictions, admit you were way off, and maybe tune back on giving interviews a bit? After being wrong on everything now you jump on the AI bandwagon with more pretty lofty predictions....I just don't see why people are still so interested in your statements, that's all.

[@dhadad9885]

Finally a proper podcast of making sense!

[@xeroeddie]

Yeah, it makes sense to have video too.

[@andrewiles83]

@@xeroeddie yup, adding video is making sense.

[@virtualsnake1994]

it makes sense to have this change.

[@xeroeddie]

@@virtualsnake1994 Jep! I knew he had the free will to do it and to be totally honest, it would've definitely been the end of my faith if he didn't.

[@lolizorz]

​@@xeroeddieBefore video I wasn't even convinced the guests were in the same room as him

[@benjaminkemper5876]

Bro just post the full show please, the world needs this one.

[@stephenholmgren405]

"Freedom of speech should be for humans, not for bots" YES

[@Bronco541]

yeah idk. I don't think it's that simple. First of all absolute freedom is impossible for either and freedom is an illusion in some sense anyway. Then there's the simple fact that one can easily think up corner cases where a robot might want or even need to have more freedom than a human in a particular situation where many lives are actually at stake. And then I think ultimately we aren't going to live an a i-robot like world where its humans vs. robots. We will become more robotic than today's robots and visa versa.

[@50-50_Grind]

I prefer bots with good intentions over people with bad intentions. Am I weird?

[@samwise1790]

​@@50-50_Grindbots dont have intentions, and it may be exceedingly difficult to figure out who is behind a given bot and what their intentions may or may not be, and in some cases, it may be difficult to distinguish what is or isnt a bot account without forensic investigation. Its a big problem.

[@onisama93]

Bots are owned by humans and carrying their agenda

[@SaviorMoney-777]

@@50-50_Grind Who decides which is which? 😉 We know Sam likes to.

[@mobo555]

I've listened to the whole conversation. IMHO this conversation is too important to be behind a firewall.

[@jellyrcw12]

I'm thankful you let your guests finish their thoughts

[@underfellgirlsans2243]

You're r ight, that is so important for the Listener.

[@brucegregson621]

He just made though. He was on the brink with only 3

[@richardjensen7828]

Hello Sam, Im not sure if you read your comments. I watched the interview with great interest, all so fascinating and urgent topics. I was so disappointed to then realize that to see the whole interview id need to subscribe, and a subscription that is a notable sum. I am all for you be rewarded for your dedication and hard work. The topics you touch are important, specially in a time of such confusion, and as Harari expresses, too much bad information are saturating the channels. I have purchased two of your books over the years, dont you think that the interviews should be public and free.?. KZbin has become one of the few places where one can find good information, and so many people share and are satisfied with the financial returns they get through youtube viewing and the promotion that they then get they can monetize in their books and conferences. There are so many examples of people who share great information to the public for free in search of a greater good.. I wish you see that and open up your valuable pod casts to the wide audience.. we need good information! i am sure that your channel will more than pay for itself, and you will reach a wider audience eager to buy your books.

[@DrFletchington]

Well, this just became my first ever paid subscription in KZbin. I cannot express how much I needed or enjoyed this conversation.

[@suri_youtu2463]

❤

[@LilacPledge]

“If you flood the world with information, the truth will sink to the bottom”

[@johnanderson8058]

Likewise.

[@ernestorodriguez2796]

Una lástima que el valioso contenido de Sam no esté subtitulado al español. Y además no tenga la traducción al español en Spotify como es el caso del canal de Lex Fridman.

[@nicmicmusic]

YES!!! Congrats on the studio. Now all we need is a Making Sense world tour Sam Harris!!

[@capotegabriel]

Is Harari an ALIEN?

[@bronzesoul]

The new studio looks great Sam! Good job!

[@KorakBrosepf]

It's literally a black void...

[@bronzesoul]

@@KorakBrosepf just like our true nature

[@bronzesoul]

@@KorakBrosepf just like our true nature

[@bronzesoul]

@@KorakBrosepf just like our true nature

[@bronzesoul]

@@KorakBrosepf just like our true nature

[@MotoJitsu]

Hell yeah!! SOOOO much better than just voice... I'm sure it's a lot more work with the cameras and editing and lights and whatnot but we really appreciate it :)

[@Brownkid422]

Whoah i wasn't expecting to see you here! Makes sense that you'd be a fan though. Your rational level headed delivery and the way you parse information are in a way similar to harris, just entirely different fields.

[@MotoJitsu]

@@Brownkid422been listening to Sam for many, many years :)

[@JackHumphrey]

Hey, I know you!

[@ognjenjosifov126]

AMAZING! Two of my favourite minds in dialogue.

[@SaviorMoney-777]

You like authoritarian psychopaths?

[@casualviewing1096]

@@SaviorMoney-777I don’t think you know what those words mean.

[@SaviorMoney-777]

@@casualviewing1096 You don't think at all.

[@thearchive26788]

@@SaviorMoney-777the thing is at some point someone is going to have to say the truth. There is an OCD-like pseudo-intellectual movement going on. It’s the collective unconscious driving us forward into god knows what. We are a hive mind. These people will never see it because that would actually mean putting oneself on the line to defend the truth of all matters. These people are just cowards. Better to focus on truth and forget the rest. You won’t find free thinkers in any forum other than literary discussion forums. The good ones read literature. They are the only ones that might listen and have free thinking capacity. Everyone else has already been bought and sold.

[@richardscrimger3969]

@@SaviorMoney-777 What a good comeback. Harris and Harare are two of the more thoughtful voices out there. I'm glad to have them in one podcast

[@marcelobrenha]

i used to like both of these guys. Now, before I reach the end of the video i started to love them. Yuval insights on on how cheap pieces of information can derive a complety wrong picture about the past is inspiring. I wish there would be more talks with enlightened people like them in the internet

[@MrImixon]

"Companies should be liable for algorithms". This, right here please. And algorithms transparency in general. Also, free speech is for ppl not bots and corporations. More of this please.

[@Johnconno]

Companies liable for algorithms? Don't hold your breath, the algorithms are based in pure Capitalism.

[@dermotmeuchner2416]

They cannot control them and they admit it. I blame the complete idiocy of the US citizens who are clueless about the world.

[@mountainair]

At this point many companies can not explain their content recommendation architecture - it's less algorithm more ML/AI solving optimization and ranking problems.

[@grumpyoldman6503]

​@@Johnconnothat's part by the problem with the situation we are in (at leasthere in the USA)- what do you do when the self-correcting institutions fail? Like YNH said in the clip- when all of those institutions fail, your society crumbles and falls. It's also the danger of having the oursuit of AGI owned, developed, and deployed by Capitalists. In service to only profit, we are all screwed.

[@grumpyoldman6503]

​@@mountainairit definitely has an end goal in mind however- maximize eyeball time to maximize ad revenues. That's the backbone of the attention economy. Fiction (eg- conspiracy theories and "truthy" lies), conflict, rage-bait, and low-brow salacious content (junk food for your brain, eg the Kardashians or Porn) are what drive human behavior, which informs the algo to keep that in your feed (because that = maximal ad revenue). The system is optimized for that output and we have only ourselves (and greed) to blame.

[@mizzounyc]

I really wish Sam would do video interviews rather than just audio. This is fantastic!

[@MlonEusk1]

Hopefully we'll see more of these 😊

[@kevinw2569]

As a person of faith I enjoy listening to these two and feel enlightened afterwards sensing that I understand my reality a bit better...

[@foxkillingtime]

We are all men of faith.. All depends on what you believe.

[@altereddogma]

@@foxkillingtime No we are not.

[@foxkillingtime]

@@altereddogma You don't believe in anything?

[@KenjiEspresso]

The Flying Spaghetti Monster 😂

[@joshuafrank3803]

Wow. What a fantastic conversation. Thank you both.

[@devalapar7878]

People think we just trust institutions. We don't! That's why we have corrective measures in institutions. And checks and balances exist everywhere in our government (even in companies).

[@ironwingz]

I hear a lot of people make this claim. In what way does your behavior, do your actions demonstrate that you do not completely trust institutions?

[@CuriousGeorgio59]

This is such a fallacy. We were more free under a monarchy system where kings had little power to control their entire population, now we have thousands of “democratic” institutions that all seem to believe the same thing whereas Americans are divided on just about everything. Coincidence?

[@devalapar7878]

@@ironwingz If we trusted institutions, they wouldn't have checks and balances. So the fact that there are checks, means we don't trust them. After all they consist of humans and humans make mistakes and can be corrupt.

[@SacredOwl]

As long as those are not corrupted. 🤞

[@chrispeck5295]

Hasn't Sam been at the center of tearing down our religious institutions? And now he's trying to convince us it's immoral to distrust our institutions? Hmmmmm...

[@LucaNova101]

The way of the middle path is really a solution to consider on so many situations 🌀

[@Theodore1050]

One of the best, interesting and valuable Making Sense episodes. Pure quality 👌

[@carinmclain44]

I am glad to see someone finally pushing back a bit and challenging Sam's uncharacteristically Manichean view of the Israel-Palestine conflict and especially the state of Israeli politics, which has certainly done nothing to decrease Israel's vulnerability or Palestinians' rage. I would have liked a little more time dedicated to that conversation, since Sam's coverage of the topic has been so one-sided. I hope that YNH's authority is enough to nudge SH towards a more balanced view. I appreciate you both and have learned much from you over the years. Thank you.

[@centaur7607]

​@TheHipHopVlogThanks for the explanation since I don't pay for the full episode. This was an important point for me and I agree with you and Yuval 100%.

[@altereddogma]

@TheHipHopVlog That was not a rant. Anyone without the patience to read one paragraph does not belong here.

[@altereddogma]

One of the qualities I admire about Sam Harris is his willingness and ability to shift his positions when something new but substantive is presented to him. He really listens and thinks about what another is saying. He is a genuine intellectual.

[@niallfahy9401]

@@altereddogma what about the evidence of the over 17,400 children that the IDF has killed in gaza over the past 12 months?

[@chesstictacs3107]

I like the nicely shared screen, we can see both Sam and Yuval at the same time

[@ooooooo679]

Truth is costly fiction is cheap

[@jessecraft1199]

I had this conversation recently with a coworker who was sharing some made up story with me about Kamala being at Diddy parties. It’s very, very easy to make things up. The only thing keeping the train on the rails is that some of us are still attempting to be factually correct.

[@SaviorMoney-777]

@@jessecraft1199 The msm is built on that model, and Sam buys into a LOT of it.

[@Re3iRtH]

​@@jessecraft1199it's easier to invent much of the narrative if you are what run much of the discourse and what people are exposed to. Mainstream media and social media should not be believed until proven otherwise (and they haven't proven themselves yet)

[@DanielWhite-v4e]

Longtime reader of Yuval Noah Harari, and though I know Sam's videos more than his books, The End of Faith is a great title.

[@lilayeleex]

ITS MY BIRTHDAY THIS IS A GREAT GIFT THANK YOU SAM AND YUVAL!!

[@illyriandescendant7963]

Happy birthday mate!

[@mr.k905]

@@lilayeleex HBD!!

[@Paswan-Redpanda]

Happy birthday mate

[@NakedCowboy123]

Being a person who holds faith, does not stop people from using reason. Like society, the stories we tell are creative in our lives. And knowing reason, gives you the ability to navigate the world safely. Everyone has a story they tell about themselves.

[@Minorstepstudio]

I've been listening to Making Sense since the beginning, and watching it in video format has been a dream come true. Hopefully more to come! Brilliant episode.

[@zsweetenlow]

His statement about the New York Times and Free Speech is factually, legally incorrect. New York Times v. Sullivan dictates that.

[@Ancient88Wisdom]

Then I guess that is something you could self correct on

[@Timfargo]

It's true that it's not as clear cut as presented, but that case regarded a public figure and set the standard for liability as malicious statements. But even that level of liability would improve the social media landscape.

[@Swissy8]

I was wondering about that!

[@zsweetenlow]

@@Swissy8 I love Sam - probably more than any other intellectual, but he consistently gets things wrong concerning the law. As a lawyer, I am always shaking my head.

[@Swissy8]

@@zsweetenlow Good job, pointing it out!

[@Daniel-jh1np]

Plot twist: He only recorded the audio as usual. The video is AI generated.

[@WeizenGourmet]

Plot twist: they are both the same bot giving us the illusion of a discussion.

[@asdf-bm4df]

ridiculous, you're talking about technology months away :/

[@SaviorMoney-777]

@@WeizenGourmet That's not far from the truth.

[@moritzmonska9912]

​@@SaviorMoney-777 whats the truth you are referring to?

[@thearchive26788]

⁠@@moritzmonska9912why divide from yourself in order to express?

[@VMorgenthaler-yp6yz]

In just the first 10 minutes Harari introduced a half dozen important insights and ideas. Wow. I'm fortunate to have access to Harris and Harari. My generation of middle boomer is used to facts and truth. When I got my first computer in 2001 it was yippee, I can read about anything. It was wonderful. Not now. I'm exhausted. I saw this on a t shirt: "I miss precedented times."

[@elishmuel1976]

I come back to this channel to get peace of mind, listening to rational, thought-out arguments based on facts. One of the few remaining spaces in this crazy topsy turvy world.

[@mightyluv]

The best defense against information overload is a good BS detector and thoughtful conversation. Easy access to high quality CG production elements such as select fonts, layout templates and spelling/phrasing correction can make even the most crackpot fictions look good. Don’t let your eyes fool you.

[@mr.k905]

Great discussion, great studio! Best podcast out there!!!

[@garychurch9237]

Free information, free market, free food, free money (for the rich). Free ticket to extinction.

[@garbo2458]

Institutions serve as the scaffolding or framework of society. The government's role is to maintain these structures, not to control them. When transparency and trust in the government and institutions are eroded, people often resort to dismantling these systems in an effort to rebuild them. Institutions, like any other entity, should thrive in a marketplace of ideas, where concepts and knowledge compete freely. No government should unilaterally decide what is right or wrong. Courts and laws exist to protect shared values and ensure fairness. Ultimately, it is the responsibility of both the government and institutions to earn and maintain the public’s trust, no matter how challenging that may be.

[@garbo2458]

The solution is EARNING the trust, not Don't Lose the Trust.

[@garbo2458]

Great conversations on the topic of disinformation.

[@Zoomo2697]

"Those who leave the tradition of truth do not escape into something which we call Freedom. They only escape into something else, which we call Fashion.” - G.K Chesterton Unfortunately Yuval is wrong, Human nature is flawed. Things and people degenerate or die. "If you seek the truth of the matter" you are completely 'Free'.

[@mandrakemalachite1061]

Exactly. Sam is hellbent on justifying unjustifiable institutions for the fact of them simply being existing institutions. Authoritarian, dictatorial regimes take the same self justifying stance on governance

[@codylowecommunion]

Exactly

[@ordro107]

Some people can’t handle how well both Yuval and Sam are doing right now Keep spreading truth and freedom 🌍

[@jamescarberry-todd4515]

I am loving that you are going to video Sam! Fan for over ten years, loving the progression 😀

[@Brado-s7h]

AI fake video,, perfect for these two creeps!

[@Blonde111]

This hurt my brain… but I couldn’t stop listening. Thank you.

[@JesseNickelltheFourth]

Such a rational and clear headed conversation.

[@stuartjones9763]

I wish that people in positions of power would think like this guy! The world would be a much safer place. 👏🤓

[@johnmccue6973]

Not in this paywalled version but Hararis' comment "And one thing I learned about the Middle East: never underestimate the messianic crazies. They are running the show." is still ringing in my ears. Very reminiscent of Christopher Hitchens in the Tony Blair debate about how the parties of god have a veto on peace in the Middle East

[@gregorywilkinson5731]

Finally, a studio and video for Making Sense

[@kencusick6311]

Chaos is a ladder. Anyone sowing distrust of established institutions that do posses correctional mechanisms is seeking power for themselves.

[@AshikurRahmanRifat]

Exactly.

[@pmachelor]

Well put.

[@SaviorMoney-777]

... or they just don't like authoritarian psychopaths deciding what they must do.

[@JohnnyTwoFingers]

How did you determine this to be True? Or did you?

[@kencusick6311]

@@JohnnyTwoFingers experience and observation

[@relaxbro5605]

I'm so happy and thankful for this!

[@rachelkraut46]

21:17 What a great statement: "the people who are experts in truth usually get orders from the people who are experts in order", i.e. the politicians and/or dictators. That expresses perfectly my objection to people always blaming the scientists for decisions that are made about how the scientists' discoveries are used.

[@jon4139]

Sometimes the scientists themselves are as corrupt. Being a scientist doesn't make one any less amenable to incentives.

[@laidbackBEN]

Trump is far more dangerous in your mind than in reality... Funny that you go on to condemn powerful voices creating fiction.

[@distantlore]

Great conversation. Thank you both 🙏🏼

[@texmanro]

Sam, please don't tell me that the full episodes are available only thru subscription. The world needs this, especially the poor ones!

[@andrewhart6200]

This such a nuansced conversation on such an accurate assessment - firstly, thanks so much for having it! I genuinely appreciate it! I feel a little bit more connected to some people tonight and that hasn't been true most of the last five years....most people have changed without recognition of their own fallible lack of recognition of this fact so genuinely please continue in the pursuit of honest transparency!

[@legohouse4819]

Such a good discussion. Well done sam on allowing Yuval the space to speak and asking for clarity when needed.

[@albender1]

“The fascists of the future will call themselves anti-fascists.”

[@elanaastrudkroneberg8028]

I watched the full version of this (+- 2hrs). I have to say this was amazing. Thank you. But I also have to say that Mr. Harris seems to be hellbent on confirming his view of the world. Almost unrelentingly so, but not always (of course not). Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, except it limits the discussion as Mr. Horari and we, the audience, keep having to circle back to Sam's desire to have a view of his affirmed. And these are topics many people know Sam Harris has taken a position on a LONG TIME AGO. Instead of moving the conversation deeper and further and focusing on the book, on Horari's points and taking a curious approach- its a kind of "now its my turn to spin your point to fit into my world view- and can you please affirm it?". Horari holds his ground and sticks to the point- an excellent interlocutor whose incisiveness transformed the discussion in the end. But all's well that ends well!

[@maxibluft]

100% agree, while at the same time I at least appreciate Sam for letting Yuval say the last word on most of those things and not continuing to counter and push his views. As an Israeli expat myself it was surreal to have Sam keep trying to hold Israel up as "the good guys" as Yuval kept throwing one piece of info after another about how insane the country has become and how simplistic it is to have a view that any side in this conflict is either good or bad. At one point Sam was plain refusing to accept that 10% of Israeli Jews are religious fanatics, a figure Yuval didn't just pull out of his ass but essentially taken from the proportion of parties with such views in the Knesset. Which made it even more interesting when they (again seemingly much more driven by Yuval) eventually finally got to talking about meditation and being able to observe reality as a whole and where your thoughts and beliefs get in the way. In general I do see the effects of meditation on Sam in that he tends to examine things from a pretty open and objective point of view when he first examines them, but the issue is as you say, when he does form an opinion, that opinion tends to stick very hard and it's next to impossible to change his mind on that particular issue. I'd like to think that him letting Yuval have the last word on that means he allowed himself finally to be swayed a bit, if only for the fact that these arguments were for once coming to him from someone who actually lives there and knows so much more about the situation. But that's probably a tad optimistic of me.

[@donmadziva1689]

Noticed that too.

[@solarnaut]

"TRUTH vs. ORDER"? Was initially a bit sorry to read the OP, but luv the brilliance of this thread. Plainly, having a ruler facing jail when he leaves office and facing leaving office when not at war makes for insane and cruel incentives. Yet given existential threats, it seems prudent to avoid vulnerable surgery with bad actors present ... so Sam's resistance to nuance may be understandable, if flawed when seeking truth more than order.

[@GraemeWillo]

@@maxibluft But Israel are the good guys, aren't they. Image the state of Israel if Yuval had it all his way. I think Israel is doing what it has to do, and that's very messy but image the boot on the other foot. I'm totally with Sam on this.

[@maxibluft]

@@GraemeWillo Israel are NOT the good guys, and there are no good guys in this conflict. Just because Israel is not quite as bad as Hamas or Hezbollah doesn't make them/us good guys, you can't kill tens of thousands of women and children and be the good guys, and the way it has conducted this war basically ensures there will be another one, and it will probably be worse.

[@roncarvalho]

Simple question: Who guards the guards?

[@mr.k905]

@@roncarvalho The guards guards guards

[@samdg1234]

Sam wants that positon for himself. He thinks he's the only one qualified.

[@Joost-qo9im]

The more levels of guards, the better. You can also have a circular level of power, such that nobody holds the overall power. Most of these options are better than having no guards

[@MrDanthemaniam]

Simple answer: You do. That's how democracy works.

[@samdg1234]

@@MrDanthemaniam Do you want some utter gold on this? (Unless you're a Sam Harris sycophant) Your, *"Simple answer:"* *"You do. That's how democracy works."* would be seen as anathema by Sam Harris. He, arrogant elitist that he is, supposes that information needs to be kept from the public because they can't be trusted. Here is a quote from him about 5 months ago, " But the thing is I know you can't trust the people to make that decision rationally." And he thinks he is worthy of being listened to on the topic of democracy? How pathetic. And the killer part is that his fans here can hear him say this repeatedly and never pick up on his cognitive dissonance.

[@aggressivecalm]

Yuval Noah Harari: “Eating junk food…” Wonderfully simple analogy that thoroughly encapsulates the issues with today's information market. Too much is not good, and too much ‘junk’ information is not only harmful, it is corrupting, undesirable and toxic! (For both right, and importantly left idealogues.)

[@justins.5222]

My dude did it!!!!

[@Kraterlandschaft]

Your dude did what

[@justins.5222]

@ it

[@princeamu]

I say this about capitalism, it’s not nature it’s man made so it can be altered, changed, improved upon.

[@lovetownsend]

I love the video added instead of just audio, adds alot!

[@ingefiddle]

Two of my most favourite thinkers (and talkers :) 💛💛

[@stephenwalsh1292]

I can't believe Sam has less than 1m subscribers there are bullshit accounts that react to videos and offer nothing with more, and here is one of the great minds of our generation

[@jmc5335]

He lost quite a lot due to his TDS

[@JewTube001]

He has TDS, but he's also a raging islamaphobe, so you gotta be a wokie who hates muslims to fit into this niche.

[@wasdwasdedsf]

lol yes, the anti free speech guy who wants government control so that nobody can question them locking down the world for 2 years over a cough, is an intellectual giant

[@yamishogun6501]

@@jmc5335 And complete trust of the left about Covid that led policy and censored the correct views.

[@peterz53]

freedom of speech for humans not legal entities like corporations.

[@nicolasbascunan4013]

He’s wrong from the beginning: There’s human nature and it has a big role on the problems we’re facing. Just information it’s not enough to make people better, addicts know perfectly well what’s wrong with them.

[@rclrockyy]

❤

[@BrianHoff04]

Your analogy sort of stinks. While the addict knows the problem the problem itself is the addiction. When one is addicted a symptom is the inability to control it. I think I can safely assume you've never really been addicted to anything or, if you were, you really do not understand what was happening to you while you were addicted. Our nature is to want to know. If we settle for cheap information then we really don't know anything. But.. it was easy to become ignorant and not realize how ignorant we are. Actual knowledge is harder.. it takes some time to do research, to test ideas, to have to realize we're wrong so we must try again.. that is how real knowledge happens. He's not wrong from the beginning. You appear to be wrong from your post.

[@thammyvo8559]

He's talking the majority

[@jon4139]

@@BrianHoff04 Forget addiction. How about just being a better person? Nearly everyone knows what sorts of things they should do, or could do, to be a better version of themselves. Spend more time with my kids, be kinder to my family and friends, tell the truth, maybe just be more friendly and considerate with the next stranger you encounter etc etc etc. Simply knowing these things doesn't make one a better person, though, as anyone who has ever studied philosophy will tell you.

[@nicolasbascunan4013]

@@BrianHoff04 Addiction, psychopathy, etc. Information isn't enough. Wisdom isn't obteinable by mere rationalist methods. Scientism will lead humanity to its doom. You're too prideful, like Harris and Harari, to asume that fact.

[@Susan-gm5pw]

Two humans I so respect and was hoping to hear a conversation with!!!!

[@Humanaut.]

What they ignore in the discussion is that our media lied A LOT and there was no accountability and the institutions also failed in a non-trivial way. The only correction can come from an alternative being available. So either the existing thing corrects itself when faced with the threat of being replaced or if it can't, then it must be abolished or replaced. I just can't stand people not acknowledging how rotten some things have turned out to be in the past few years.

[@Canttouchthis-p8s]

We need our local news and newspapers back. Community oriented truth. Accountable. I hope independent journalism grows enough to send out some regional tentacles.

[@Hardcore_UFO]

As we enter a new era of information systems, we are also introducing new methods of authoritarianism. Authoritarian behavior is now often decentralized and camouflaged as a different ideological product. That is what scares me.

[@666MaRius9991]

You can also spot authoritarians when you see them try to discredit institutions.

[@mandrakemalachite1061]

​@@666MaRius9991 So the public shouldn't be able to justifiably criticise institutions.... like in every authoritarian system that's existed....because that's authoritarianism? You people tie yourselves in the most illogical knots

[@666MaRius9991]

@@mandrakemalachite1061 I should have specified further :if the institution is corrupt beyond repair then all bets are off. I'm pretty sure you know that i'm referring to bad faith actors,not legitimate criticisms.

[@gavigaviman]

That make no sense, you reduced your premise to absurd within the same sentence…

[@wasdwasdedsf]

lol yes, the anti free speech guy who wants government control so that nobody can question them locking down the world for 2 years over a cough, is an intellectual giant

[@SalamaSond]

One of the key hurdles for maintaining an educated electorate is that every person born must learn about reality asynchronously from scratch. The lessons that are accessible and of obvious importance to one generation may be entirely lost on another that lacks the background.

[@SuspendedLogic]

There's a time for war and there is a time for peace. Worshiping de-escalation in a time of war is an escalation all in itself. Yuval is proof one can be smart yet still unwise. He needs to sit this one out. Great video quality by the way.

[@purpleflame334]

100% agree ❤

[@mluce30]

An intelligent and stimulating long form conversation.

[@jamesb2059]

Truth is complicated and expensive in terms of human effort...giving fiction an enormous advantage over truth in terms of its propagation.

[@sinephase]

your reductive assessment is about as valuable

[@rahulravibalan]

Thank you Sam for doing what you are doing. 🙏

[@bertrandrussell894]

Glad i spotted this so early!!

[@dianeharper1681]

My heros speak. Sorely needed now.

[@ArvindSarin]

My two favorite people in the entire world!!!! ... so excited to watch this episode!

[@live_fully_with_love]

Mine too

[@Re3iRtH]

More favorite than your parents

[@Brado-s7h]

Two of the worst humans,,, there fixed it for you

[@richardhedd3080]

@@Brado-s7h don’t be a dick

[@centaur7607]

Wonderful conversation. Yuval Noah Harari is incredibly wise.

[@MrMurph73]

I think the split screen shot works really well 👍

[@rurikmckaiser543]

Mr Harris. I really enjoy how YOU have guided and steered Harari to share his deep and profound genius...

[@jeremykoloski]

12:03 “People went to study history for 10 years and then they come up with the most simplistic views of reality.” An incredibly astute self-diagnosis from Yuval Harari.

[@moontrack4625]

When expertise is dumbed down to appease the dumb, we are lost.

[@consciously73]

Interesting how Sam has changed his position on free speech. He used to say that he was basically a free speech absolutist.

[@baalstone675]

Not for speech he doesn't like.

[@ironwingz]

That’s how many are until they encounter a topic where they view all other characterizations but theirs to be offensive and/or dangerous.

[@jacobreichert836]

being a free speech absolutist is complete troll mode.

[@pinkle257]

He's an authoritarian liberal. Basically a neocon who supports gay marriage.

[@wasdwasdedsf]

@@jacobreichert836 how

[@tanyatravis6318]

Now there is a revolution in my mind. What a combo of wisdom.

[@T_from_U]

gonna listen to this largely as an exercise in self-control

[@Eng_Simoes]

I thought I was the only one doing that.

[@nosteinnogate7305]

?

[@axelclaussen5580]

Same here, and i think i'm failing.

[@jasonfu2094]

It is Thomas Sowell’s “The Vision of the Anointed”…….. in video format.

[@codylowecommunion]

@@jasonfu2094 nailed it.

[@SallyChang-f7q]

I wish the world has more people like you . ❤

[@Mbonic]

Yuval is an amazing author. Have read almost all his books. Someone who really tries and see the bigger picture and does not lose sight of the threes looking at the wood.

[@Itsstuff7328]

He's my current favorite

[@Brado-s7h]

He’s a Klaus Schwab cuck and WEF creep of the highest order ! Human garbage!

[@meandego]

Truth is information that is not designed to target anyone. Truth is information without goals. Truth is just a summary of the facts.

[@Dex2R7]

2 pragmatic individuals with a clear sense of the political landscape. No wonder MAGA dislikes both of these people.

[@SacredOwl]

I am voting for Trump and I like these two people. I am ok with different opinions and if they dont align with what I believe , sometimes I discover I am wrong, which is what I look forward to.

[@SugarSugar75]

@@SacredOwlHonest questions. Do you accept that Trump won in a landslide in 2020, as he claims? If not, every time you hear him say it, do you believe he’s lying to you? Or do you write it off as Trump being Trump? It’s the consistent lying that I just can’t get over. If he’s willing to bend the truth on crowd size, or an election, what else is he willing to lie about? I get that all politicians lie, but this is a whole new level.

[@wasdwasdedsf]

lol two clever political giants, who hates the best presiden in modern history and voted for a senillity patient destroying the country

[@moontrack4625]

@@SacredOwl- the wait is over, you’re wrong

[@KenjiEspresso]

Trump derangement syndrome 😂

[@angusjdo]

I love how Yuval understands Sam's questions three words into him posing them and launches into answering them without letting him finish!

[@choktmusic]

The trust has been lost and we’re already in a state of collapse. Democracy died a long time ago. We live in an Oligarchy.

[@runreilly]

Plutocracy

[@richardhedd3080]

Cleptacracy

[@mandrakemalachite1061]

Yes, and the correct response should be maximal truth-seeking and trust restoring, not the endless justification of non-truth. Sam is wrong about most things these days, Yuval is fantastic but convoluted on issue of truth and institutions

[@criquetvert749]

Bigflocracy

[@mekalkasias6571]

It sounded like Sam Has just met God. And God said ask me anything. I like when. Sam says OK, what do we do about social media? Yuval has Amazing explanations for all the craziness in our world today. Nothing better than great minds having a conversation. Love it

[@artelements848]

I love the free speech must only be allowed for humans - well he nailed that precisely! Same for and ability to post anonymously. If you want to exercise your ability to speak you must be able to be held accountable for your choice of words and expression.

[@carlwest3441]

I disagree. Anonymity has historically been a powerful tool against oppression. Many of the great Enlightenment thinkers wrote under pseudonyms to protect their identities.

[@chrisphillips3356]

So happy to see that Sam is finally filming his chats! Makes Sense to me.

[@alexmorand2955]

Truth is the goal. It’s worth sacrificing ‘order’ for it.

[@solarnaut]

Without some degree of order you may find no place to stand, from which to leverage your reach for truth ?

[@JohnAllenWatts]

What's so interesting about this conversation is how it progresses from some rather vague and, in my opinion, not-so-convincing, arguments on abstract and dualistically-framed topics (democracy vs dictatorship, human nature vs better quality information) and becomes much more compelling when it Is grounded in Harari's specialty - history - as applied to actual present-day problems, for example, social media algorithms. Suddenly, his passion and intellect come to bear on something real and practical. There's a lesson here. As regards his earlier arguments, I think it would be helpful for him and readers here to consider the work of Iain McGlichrist (The Matter with Things). McGilchrist points out the limitations of "rationality" by demonstrating the need for emotion, imagination and intuition in addition to rationality in order to fully apply the fruit of human reason. This is precisely what is lacking in the current social milieu that Harris and Harari are discussing. The early frustrations in this conversation would take a different turn when these other ways of reasoning are brought to bear.

[@Siddhaloka007]

Question 🙋‍♂️ At what point in the interview do you think it hot Harris that Harari is incapable of having a dialogue? 😂 Harari is a one trick pony, and he’s terrified of being found out, and called out. He has one mode - professor giving a lecture, regurgitating stories, stats, one liners. He literally says the same old things in the same ways, and is unable and unwilling to veer off script and mode. He interrupts people, doesn’t have much of a sense of humour, and doesn’t do well with thinking and talking on the fly.

[@zakkgrey4696]

Thank God for Sam Harris

[@JewTube001]

Thank Allah.