Toxicity and Why People Are Wrong About The Setsuko Ban - Bryce Blum calls Frodan

[@iamteacher3088]

He’s not a kid. He’s 26…

[@NDREI3000]

people think he's a kid because of how he acts on stream, in reality he's just a manchild who's most likely an antisocial loser who can't even maintain eye contact while talking to anyone irl. the tarzaned of tft

[@toadonwheels]

coulda fooled me lol

[@animagamer2]

That's crazy. The way he acts I assumed he had to be like 19. No way this dude is a year older than me.

[@teemimika7105]

Understandable, some kids took a long time to mature up

[@TheSandurz20]

The way he was talking about this situation I thought he was 20 or something. That's crazy, 26yo kid lmfao

[@Justbean]

3:57 Watched setsuko’s stream for the first time yesterday and it definitely doesn’t seem like he’s using this as a growing opportunity.

[@PhanteonOP]

Why would he lol, he makes 100x times more money streaming and people watch him because they way he is, pretty sure he just competes for fun and because he enjoys it but not for a livehood

[@ferxas]

Making money or having more money than others doenst mean you can be douchbag​@@PhanteonOP

[@nomad182]

Love that there are some level heads in Frodan and Bruce to say, "HEY, this is the turning point where you, Setsuko, are liable now as a brand risk and you've been called out. You don't want well -known names on the company side to despise you." It's good on the community to point this out. However, forget about any other "what about...", I'm expecting Setsuko to be a complete moron and get himself banned by this time next year. Oh, I just read his tweet from a few days ago. Yeah, he's not taking his own flaws seriously and thinks he can point at other misconduct and call Riot a joke. BR will continue to needle him and he won't be smart enough to brush it off. At least, that's my call. Hope that people with some sense can smack some into him.

[@cheesemaster3187]

tldr:setsuko is toxic and got away with it cause he is good at the game.

[@shinymuuma]

And the most important part is, his viewers think toxic is cool

[@hugofreitas6799]

He was toxic to toxic ppl, and one thing ppl dont understand is that banther 8s a really big part of brazilian gamig culture, we really font take offense and we dont give a shit about it.

[@cheesemaster3187]

@@hugofreitas6799 no not really.

[@sleevman]

@@cheesemaster3187 it's true im brazillian

[@pedroalcantara6183]

@@sleevman No, it's not true. Speak for yourself.

[@LeonValenti]

Thanks for being such a level-headed and positive voice in the community, Frodan. Hoping for the best outcome for TFT as a whole, whether that's with a new and less toxic Setsuko, or without him at all.

[@federicofaccendini8532]

33:37 This! We live in moment where mentally young audiences associate being toxic and loud with being strong or powerful and sell really well. 37:27 Also Mr. Bones ☠️

[@silverwing7279]

This bryce guy is so good with words damn

[@Adonna2424]

I hate the toxic shit at Riot Games. I started in ranked and left cause of toxic people, played ARAM and then ARAM became a real mode = toxic people showed up and I left. Started playing TFT, no one talks in game usually so I was happy and wanted to learn from the pros. Turn on the streams and it's more toxic people screaming, raging and flaming above and beyond. I despise it and this shit needs to stop. It's not entertaining, it's not funny or cool and seeing viewers feed into this is really terrifying. Like wtf kind of people are playing this game? Honestly, he needs a big fine, longer ban and needs to put out an official apology. There's a few channels that aren't toxic that set the example of what this community SHOULD be: BoxBox, Bloody, Frodan.

[@Kanrike18]

Add the old man RobinSongz

[@uhqliss8537]

Lmaooo if the community had a bunch of boxbox clones tft would be dead in a month

[@Adonna2424]

@@uhqliss8537 no it would just be devoid of people like you who feed of toxic rage. I'm fine with that.

[@RadomVampires]

imagine asking for a fine for expressing words haha dictatorship at its finest. who are you to dictate how things should go.. we have laws for a reason, laws that are well established and the same laws that protect people to say wtv they please. Hurting your feelings isnt a crime im sorry and people r competitive in games and humans r emotional beings so tend to lash out, its part of competitive settings in any environment

[@hugofreitas6799]

​@@Adonna2424or devoided of paper.skinned ppl like you

[@syb7605]

The part that feels most like "admin on a power trip" is punishing him for *pretending* to type something against the tourney admins back in July. Admins punishing people for not liking admins is classic conflict of interest. Riot's lawyer-ese jargon doesn't say how much weight it had in his punishment, but they made it clear that it affected their decision, and it shouldn't. The other things he said, it's fine to punish him for, but there should be a consistent and public rule. Also, permaban the Chinese wintraders already.

[@mackowens7234]

I think it’s pretty crazy that he’s 26 and acts like he’s 17. He’s not a kid lmao.

[@YutaBLv]

The entire game is made for kids and it's a bunch of grown men crying about cosmetics.

[@mackowens7234]

@@YutaBLv explain to me how tft is a game for kids?

[@YutaBLv]

@@mackowens7234 You having to ask

[@mackowens7234]

@@YutaBLv exactly you’re just making shit up lol

[@vastnumber]

@@YutaBLvnot a single child is playing TFT it’s all old fucks

[@AspireBR]

Do you guys wanna know where the divide between people really is on these kind of issues? is that one group doesn't believe that "offending a group of people" is a real problem, where other group think this should be punished as a crime

[@hugofreitas6799]

The Victim group here dont think it is a big deal, the gaming culture in SA america is very different, what you call toxic its just Banther for us.

[@hugofreitas6799]

The Victim group here dont think it is a big deal, the gaming culture in SA america is very different, what you call toxic its just Banther for us.

[@pedroalcantara6183]

@@hugofreitas6799 Speak for yourself man, I'm Brazilian and I'm very offended by this whole situation. If it doesn't bother you it's probably cuz you are toxic as well.

[@aaronlippman3338]

I think you guys had an excellent conversation and i agree with your entire perspective except for your description of sestuko as a kid. Being an immature 26 year old is not the same as being an immature 18 year old. He's an adult that may be misguided and struggling to handle fame, but he's not a kid.

[@f0rd13]

Glad you guys made this video

[@meelodomain]

What about punishment on the other party?

[@ddmm9099]

What party? The people called the R word? Why should they be punished?

[@bzxc5]

Are there more clips than the one frodan showed the other day? There hes really responding n shit talking back the ppl that were yappin at him no?

[@igornogas6250]

It's quite funny, Riot Global taking action against someone being toxic towards Brazil, while we have HUGE names in Brazil that said (and did) WAY WORSE and are still around, NEVER punished... the stuff you see here is kinda wild

[@byakkoz]

Drop the names buddy :)

[@byakkoz]

We doesnt even have someone as big as Setsuko in BR, the closest one is Toddy and he is a wonderful person

[@SukoSeiti]

You completely missed the point. The problem is that Setsuko is bigger than all these toxic nobodies together. And that's why it's so important. You have one of the biggest faces of the game being a toxic manchild is just not healthy for the game. It's the same thing as xqc and overwatch all over again.

[@khailol2465]

Bro did you even watch the viedeo. Yeah even if the players in Brasil did sth worse doesnt really excuse his behaviour.

[@pedroalcantara6183]

This is not even true. One of the greatest examples of extreme toxicity being punished was in Brasil, with Hadad.

[@thomassteen8317]

I still think the biggest issue is that this might incentivize people to continually target him when he comes back or while he streams solo queue.

[@revenzxo]

Im German and just started Tft can someone explain the whole situation for me? Im very Interested but dont understand this video :D would be great to help a brother out Thx

[@teemimika7105]

To make it simple, the Setsuko guy is being toxic to Brazilian Players and the Brazilian Players are also being toxic to him. Setsuko is already on the Riot watchlist for toxicity and Riot decided to ban him after surveling his behavior for a while If you don't know Setsuko is a popular player/streamer in TFT community so him being toxic is a bad influence to the TFT community

[@revenzxo]

@@teemimika7105 thanks for the answer, know i can watch the Video :D

[@byakkoz]

And on top of that, this idiot wasn't just toxic towards Brazilians, he's toxic AT ALL times, every time he streams he makes some fatphobic or xenophobic comment, the only reason it took so long for him to receive this ban is because he's VERY good at the game , but a terrible person, people will argue that he is only like that on the PC and that in real life he is good, but the point is precisely this, he does this for the PC because he thinks he can get away with it, because he knows that if he does This in real life will get you punched in the face very quickly

[@user-jw1nh2hr7s]

Bro was the last person ever to get triggered by a brazilian on twitter lmao

[@Lesterberne]

I watched part of Setsuko’s stream. He said he wrote an apology letter well thought out to riot before all this and was ignored. He did seem somewhat remorseful but i dont think he apologized to the brazilian community. He mostly said that “anyone would’ve reacted the way he did” when he was under pressure like that and his chat getting flooded. I can sorta feel for him but he needs to suck it up and acknowledge that what he did was wrong and he should stop his chat from being so toxic to the br community because the chat wasn’t nice that stream.

[@Oleoay]

The letter from riot that setsuko posted about the suspension mentioned that he had sent a letter of apology. So it was received. Just because you apologize doesn’t mean you should expect to get off unpunished and this wasn’t the first instance of his behavior.

[@hugofreitas6799]

Ppl have no clue hpw SA servers are. Its not Toxic, its radioactive.

[@pravthekumar]

The game would be healthier without him tbh

[@sleevman]

context: Setsuko and chat disrespected Mordekaiser's people

[@johnw9848]

Bryce is the goat

[@caesert9985]

WGlaze

[@jasonpae-z7r]

tft wintraders xD

[@byakkoz]

I'm praying that this video is a joke, it's not possible to go that far to defend a friend from something so shitty that he did

[@toadonwheels]

Try watching the video lol, in the first few seconds he says (paraphrasing a bit) "Setsuko should have been punished, but Riot messed up by not punishing others, creating a culture of whataboutism", which is a totally fair take. Frodan's view seems to be "punish people if they do something wrong, but punish everyone equally". I think most people will agree with this take, it's completely reasonable.

[@byakkoz]

@@toadonwheels Sorry about that, English is neither my first nor my second language, I understand everything perfectly but typing is really a problem to put things in the best way I would like, the intention of my comment was to point out that I commented before watching the video actually expecting it not to be what I was expecting, precisely because I love Frodan and it would make me sad if he supported Setsuko in this kind of thing, I was happy to see some well-intentioned comments but I still think it's sad the view that some people are having comparing so much with other cases that have nothing to do and kind of overshadowing how serious what Setsuko did is. I totally agree with you that the wintrading cases from china SHOULD start being more serious since only fines were applied, but I disagree that everyone should be punished equally, just like crimes have different weights, proplayers mistakes also have different weight, in reality this punishment of Setsuko was WAY too low for the amount of hate he's been spreading for a VERY long time and never seems to care about improving his behavior, and we can all agree that he got away with it for a long time just because he's very good at the game and has a lot of views

[@alv1572]

@@byakkoz i disagree, while toxicity should be punished. Competitive integrity is number 1 priority on EVERY competitive game, and ANYTHING that disregards that should be punished the MOST. like this whole situation wont happen if Riot just punished those cheaters the same or worse.

[@starperson19]

Just let the players play. Riot needs to chill with acting like parents. Look at their own company's behavioral issues.

[@teemimika7105]

Nahhh it's more fun watching popular arrogant players getting banned. Also who the hell cares about riot behaving? They own and maintain the game. Nothing but respect for Riot for banning Setsuko

[@vikupogi]

setsuko got banned lololololololol

[@achronolgia]

So a plays chat spam, calling everyone racial slurs, they should just "let the players play". Shit take

[@dizknots9357]

slobbering on it

[@TheMrwuzimu]

Love your content but bruh it's just 1 month or so

[@toadonwheels]

It's indicative of a bigger problem with Riot not punishing players equally. If they're going to police speech, even if it's the correct punishment, make sure everyone is treated the same.

[@FadedJacket]

@@toadonwheels Except they don't punish equally. I get they have to start somewhere, but how convenient to start with a competitive player with fame and not the people that were "harassing" him. You should see league lobbies. They are only half as serious about this as they pretend to be. Setsuko just has a spotlight so they chose to make an example of him. Setsuko doesn't matter to me one way or another, but at the end of the day, everything Riot does is PR and financial based. They don't actually care about people, and that has show for many years.

[@bryancutler6201]

First hehe