The Setsuko Ban Situation (Longest TFT Ban So Far)

[@nasopp2318]

I mean setsuko's ban is pretty fair, or at least he deserved some kind of punishment. But it's seriously bad the chinese player didn't get shit lmao I would have banned him for life from competing, he did that shit at WORLDS

[@iksnirkS]

reminder that A Hao lost $1300 of $142K set winnings for wintrading in worlds

[@definoryan5953]

less than 1% fine, lmao warra joke

[@just474]

I mean its not even that bad given some companies would have banned him for like a year or two

[@PoroMancer]

I agree, and while my exposure to Setsuko is limited, I tuned into his stream after the ban, he was flaunting the ban in the stream title, and was spouting off about all kinds of things including making fun of fat people. I don't think this will be his last ban, dude needs to shut up, and just play TFT. Is that so difficult for him? I think it is...

[@nicktan7733]

@@PoroMancer exactly.. It shows the emotional maturity and his character fully and yet he still gets support because most of his viewers are literally braindead people that cant figure out what he did was wrong and the aftermath reaction from him is also so disgusting

[@shinymuuma]

And even if I know it's futile. But please don't reward him for this situation He isn't a sacrificial hero. He's just an unprofessional rude guy

[@Wildcat12]

It can simultaneously be true that the people wintrading should’ve been banned and he should’ve been suspended. They are not conflicting stances. Not sure why people are blowing this up so much as if it’s a cruel injustice, whatever those Chinese players at worlds did doesn’t remove what he did. And he obviously didn’t take it particularly seriously given he didn’t even submit his appeal on time.

[@LeonValenti]

Fair punishment for someone who's really not mentally nor emotionally fit to be one of the representatives of a professional esports scene. Setsuko is goated at the game but his immaturity and bad attitude will continuously keep him from greatness unless he changes. Hopefully he takes this time off to go to therapy and come out a better human being. Otherwise I wouldn't want someone like that being pushed as a face of TFT, regardless of his skill level.

[@kmo9790]

Compare this to how Pro IRL sports handles similar stuff and you will see pretty much the same thing. Brand integrity, and more importantly brand image, are the only things that really matter to these companies. As long as you maintain brand image and integrity then competitive integrity can take a hit. I certainly agree with the ban. I don't recommend people try to compare win trading to this. That will just make the community look bad. We don't want to look like we care more about the purity of a game when the question at hand is regarding the dignity of entire cultures.

[@naantjez]

bro pro sports teams actively play rapists and wifebeaters what are you talking about

[@Foreverskull0]

Yeah its very weird to me personally to see people compare the two situations, cause a lot of it comes off as people who think win trading is just as bad or worse than discrimination and it sounds incredibly out of touch. Riot should uphold rules and set precedents going forward but don't compare situations like this cause it can say alot about a community and what they value to people.

[@JF1SZN]

You could not be more wrong. Competitive integrity has always been the most important for Pro IRL sports. I.E. Pete Rose, Jontay Porter, Calvin Ridley etc. they always bring the hammer down.

[@kmo9790]

@@JF1SZN You are pulling up people who gambled. Which affects both the image of the sport and the integrity. Yes there comes a point where a lack of integrity affects the image of the game. They didn't bring the hammer down on steroid use in baseball until the public image was being damaged. They instituted the Brady rule which destroyed the ability to contain passing quarterbacks and altered the entire sport and to this day defense is an after thought. Suppression of the careers of black quarterbacks because white audience viewer ship drops when the quarterback isn't white. Don't delude yourself.

[@iMoD190]

@@JF1SZN depends on the sport and the country. American baseball and football might take it seriously, but others do not. the International Boxing Association is plagued by over a decade of scandals, corruption, match fixing, judge bias, discrimination, ties to organised crime, and working for Putin and the Russian government.

[@GiveHerTheDuck]

Am I misunderstanding something here or is Setsuko only banned from tournaments ... like, in a universe, in which Riot could totally suspend an account, they've simply stopped someone that makes most of their money by streaming from participating in "Riot-sanctioned" tournaments. That ... does not seem overly harsh, or relevant. I generally don't agree with the concept of policing speech, BUT if you are the one that pays the pricepool and organizes tournaments, it should be within your right to stop bad actors from participating and possibly ruining your competetive image.

[@radoslav2913]

I am all for free speech too man but he can't honestly be that fucking dumb to risk his career by flaming someone. I mean he deserves this just for being stupid.

[@ton2016]

yes, and only for this patch lol

[@HienLeGia]

This was done in LCS too, I think? So not the first, nor last will this type of penalty is applied

[@antant15]

it's pretty impactful for setsuko though, because they can't play for qualifying for worlds - whenever offseason rolls around, all the competitive players are insta checked out and playing other games, and this ban is just setsuko enters offseason for set 12

[@zsomborszigeti6797]

He didn't say that many bad stuff. Also there is a list of things they can ban you for which you have to agree when you first log into an account, because like it's your account and stuff and saying stuff on stream isn't part of that I don't think.

[@leglidingpotato6366]

9:25 Truly the Setsuko special

[@allcitychessclub13]

Doesn't matter if the Brazilian players are innocent or not. He could have flamed them without being a racist lol. Gamers try not to say slurs challenge impossible.

[@Acekenobi9]

Ur comment offends me you should be banned from KZbin for 2 months

[@dimitrijedragic3652]

Kindly point to where he was racist (you cant) ((he wasn't))

[@nicktan7733]

@@dimitrijedragic3652 he was racist and hes a cringe virgin basement dweller that thinks he something just cus he is decent at a virtual board game

[@jeanmichaeltormes1196]

I think the key thing about China's issue is due to the fact that it was not related to illegal betting/gambling that technically break the law and they think it was fine or casual competitive behavior that it did not cross their mind that it became intentional colluding which an actual change in the rule book for Chinese TFT competitive scene should shift things up and hopefully stopping them to collude in international competitive scenes as CN really does take esports integrity seriously, heck even the Vietnam Cartel incident was not even sanctioned and banned because the Viets themselves have a huge scene of illegal betting/gambling involved and also got a slap in the wrist for it (Because the guy got banned was banned for illegal gambling) despite they finally get caught when Vietnam finally ain't a separate competitive slot/scene anymore and this was like quite recent as well that no one even brought the comparison to because CN has been doing it for at least 6-7 sets, but yeah Riot should just not have double standards and actually fix the issues with collusion for all regions

[@AnBui-sx5ld]

As a Vietnamese, I was so embarassed that even the Viet casters on the official channel encouraged that behavior because the Chinese did the same thing in worlds. But it id also bc of the tournament format that the low scored players who already know they gonna be eliminated still be able/forced to play the game until the end of the day.So unless Riot some how change the format ( impossible) or the same thing will happen

[@user-jw1nh2hr7s]

Just 2 months.. chill

[@horitsu7]

2 months is almost an entire TFT Set

[@milan045]

​@@horitsu7 r word has been unacceptable to say in a professional setting for like 10 years, using it in that way he could have realistically been dropped from vitality and banned from competing for way longer.

[@ferst262]

@@horitsu7 yeah that's the whole point, not letting him play for the rest of the set. And that's just for tournaments, so not a big deal at all

[@krash6951]

@@horitsu7thats his fault then lmfao

[@TeacherGus1]

I'm Brazilian. I always saw Setsuko as an amazing player, and I always had the utmost respect on him. But it was deserved.

[@viniciusPatto]

Oque ele fez? Se falo merda devia ter tomado perma

[@cuewarstaner1894]

Lightygo was the longest ban by Tencent tho. It was from 2023-05-11 to 2023-11-11, a 6-month ban.

[@yaboiricku919]

Bro got banned for like 2 months and its a big deal for some reason? its 2 months yall need to chill

[@think1965]

Well its like almost a whole set tbf

[@sheepys551]

brother its his job? 2 months is a big deal to be suspended for...

[@DZ-jm1my]

@@sheepys551 different esport but some top rocket league pros have literally banned for a year plus and still compete when the term is over, i dont think tft is special

[@eafaseafsa]

I mean in APAC we had a player made to Set 10 Worlds and got banned for a year a day before day 1.

[@YutaBLv]

It's funny to see all these comments and Riot devs speaking out about Setsuko when recently Mort made this comment on twitter: "I was watching Setsuko last night for a bit, hanging out with another co-worker. His stream is such a unique experience compared to every other stream, which honestly is really smart when trying to create a successful stream."

[@yoimiyasimpu8757]

CN can win trade at worlds and they get a small “fine” yeah okay riot

[@TheSirAshton90]

because they are owned by them.

[@IcyColdStare]

I don't know how people are comparing match fixing/win trading to the hateful shit he said. It's obviously not okay and should have been punished harder by Riot but the whataboutism is absurd. It's one thousand percent deserved.

[@krash6951]

Deserved for sure. Kid needs to understand he cant just speak to people anyway he wants

[@gameboyjsa]

Can tell all these commenters are low elo and never competed at the top level in anything in their entire life. He got griefed by literal trash players that shouldnt have beenbthere brazil region is smaller and weaker

[@maxwu4145]

Match fixing/wintrading is far worse wdym

[@Wrecck12]

Bad words 🤧🤧🤧 🤓🤓No can't says BAD WORDS NOT SWEAR ,😢😢😢😢

[@gameboyjsa]

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@garciaalexanderdean8728]

Can someone provide the accurate comment from setsuko on the tweet clip?

[@DarrieusJohn]

Setsuko calling anyone a r*t*rded bum when he has the social skills of a toddler is crazy 😭 though the BRs were clearly harassing him but it was both ways so 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@robbiemaddisonftw]

dude his reaction after watching the Fiora clip got me so hard the "ahhhhhhh theres the problem right there" face also lmk if you need any portuguese translated

[@professoryorick5676]

i hate how shit is wrote "on account of" so a pro CAN be rude in those manners (contemptuous, discriminatory, denigrating words or actions) if it has NOTHING to do with the 7 things listed (race, skin color, ethnic, national, or social origins etc) or they cannot be offensive via contemptuous, discriminatory, or denigrating words or actions AS WELL AS being rude in account of race, skin color, etc im well aware i overthink things but surely im not the only person in the universe to read those and get more confused counterpoint: responding to "ratio" with "list of school shootings in your country" is FAR more offensive than "youre missing brain cells and poor"

[@planzi1135]

Yea but its one thing posting something as a random guy on twitter but as a professional player you probably shouldn't use a slur

[@Gabriel64468]

Nah, you can't be talking about how the tftFiora guy is also starting shit on their own like at 10:45 when you are showing a) a thread that was in response to the previously shown tweet and b) the "escalation" that is shown from Fiora was very much responding in kind to what others said. The twitch comment they replied to was as bad as their reply and screencapping the comment to post it again on twitter to further stoke the flames is without a doubt worse. Maybe they actually did something unprovoked earlier, idk, I am not involved in TFT drama and I don't wish to be, but the way you portrayed it was not very impartial. You say "banning for the whole set", but that's a very limited way of looking at it. 2 months is not a long ban. The format of competitive TFT also makes any other ban mostly meaningless: Oh no, you are gonna stop him from playing in one of 5 different qualifying events when he is going through snapshots anyway and are letting him play at worlds? Yeah that will almost going to be noticeable for him.

[@Gabriel64468]

I dislike comparing it with past disciplinary actions for similar reasons: Complain about the matchfixing on its own time, don't use it to excuse setsuko's bigotry. He is already doing that on twitter (and thankfully mostly being met with pushback), but it really just makes him look way worse because he doesn't seem to understand the issues with what he was saying at all.

[@iksnirkS]

what are you talking about? he's banned from Set 12 Worlds

[@Gabriel64468]

@@iksnirkS "The format of competitive TFT also makes any other ban mostly meaningless: Oh no, you are gonna stop him from playing in one of 5 different qualifying events when he is going through snapshots anyway and are letting him play at worlds?" You have to read the entire sentence to figure out what it means. If I say "There is no indication that Coolsville sucks", then you wouldn't ask me why I think that "Coolsville sucks", would you?

[@nuclearsailor8315]

why are people acting like he suffered a great injustice? wasn't he calling people the r word?

[@HUSHINSILENCE]

i just started watching and playing tft and i thought ppl would be more conservative about talking about and showing this stuff shoutout frodan for giving all the juice

[@Donk322]

This tolerance thing is so weird ICANT Don’t play like that in Eastern EU

[@Darkpsy97]

lil buddy can calm down a bit

[@idansheiner183]

Does it mean he will not be able to qualify to regionals or worlds this set? Sadge

[@koscian6418]

Also in polish regional lol esports 2 chinese dudes got away from wintrading. Polish team was fighting 3v5 and somehow won.

[@JapaEiki]

Somethink I want to point out is that, even tho a big part of the Brazilian community went pretty hard against Setsuko, that toxic behavior that Fiora TFT had, saying even worse things to attack Setsuko, does not represent the vision of all Brazilians. Just want to make very clear that not all of the BR TFT community is that toxic or that offensive, and I think this discussion has been exagerated and inapropriate from both sides!

[@byakkoz]

Setsuko is literally one of the TFT cancers lol, the most toxic stream BY FAR

[@gungnir5031]

True not all. Just the majority. And its just tft community. All of br community.

[@QuanNguyen-fb1rd]

*Longest ban so far N6M: Am I a joke to you?

[@CouplandsSharpener]

We better see permabans for win traders this worlds RIOT

[@yummyscrumpo9830]

I thought he was the shy one.. guess not

[@yunjinnnnnnn]

FatShyGuy

[@bangerrr569]

I straight up laughed out loud when he played the clip of Setsy 😂 he’s just pure comedy man.

[@aximus11]

I mean it’s not like he even preforms anymore during tourneys so it’s pretty much like he’s banned anyways

[@Saelria]

TFT/LOL players really freak out over the slightest shit possible when it's deserved. I heard about this and clicked to see what it was and it really isn't anything. He could have been banned permanently.

[@210psd]

riot is literally made out of snowflakes, they don’t let tourists trash talk or even show any “bm” towards other players.

[@valmiro4164]

Yeah if he did that in League he'd have been perma banned and everyone would've agreed he deserved it lmao

[@mrmuffyman]

Does anyone believe this problem is only happening in NA with one streamer? If you go into any of the international streams, there's plenty of hate towards other races, it's just in a different language. Riot better enforce every single instance of hateful speech then, because according to their code of conduct they blacklisted almost every form of derogatory remarks against almost every group of peoples (no hate speech against private people??). Like there'd better be a witch hunt in every single region and on every streamer because Riot has allowed not even a shred of toxicity in their games. It's bordering thought censorship.

[@Abyssionknight]

If he complains about this at all he's a big baby. His account isn't banned or suspended, so he can still stream the game, and he's only banned for the remainder of the current set. That's honestly a very light penalty imo. They're basically just giving him a slap on the wrist in the hopes he'll do better and they won't have to seriously hit him with a penalty.

[@ShayNightshade]

riot is teaching setsuko to behave decent. good. can riot please do soju next?

[@joshisdriven]

He's lucky he play a Riot game... other studios would have permabanned for that. Seriously.

[@cylee4735]

that 7-1 is kinda funny tho lmao

[@ryuu_0812]

setsuko could've just banned that tftfiora guy

[@chriskayne9387]

Its extremely bewildering that anyone in comments can make a case that mean words are worse than cheating. They through the book at him because he represents Riot. He could have blocked them he didnt have to engage. Cheating is one of the most disrespectful things a person can do. Riot is a brand and has big plans to cash in on its IP.

[@PyroFortune]

"My inability to have any concept or care towards social rules must be the fault of their agenda, players only care about being treated well for money, no one in my life treats me well so why should anyone else care" - you

[@totoyuki1]

Imagine thinking that competitive integrity matters nearly as much as blatant racism. Truly a take of all time

[@dimitrijedragic3652]

​@@totoyuki1first of all it does, second of all what racism

[@toadonwheels]

Speaking from a place of understanding, given how mentally unhealthy he is, we should honestly keep an eye on him if they ever give him a real ban and not just a tourney ban

[@talimpalim]

If I would let my chat as unmodded as his I would be mentally unhealthy in 10 minutes.

[@LiGMa-pk5jg]

yea after 5 minutes watching his stream it makes sense 🤣🤣

[@Abyssionknight]

As far as Win Trading goes, for the next set Riot just needs to have a global announcement that going forward there will be a zero tolerance policy for win trading. Don't worry about retroactively punishing people, just make it clear to everyone that it won't be acceptable from the next set onward. Yeah people will be upset about them letting previous win traders get away with it, but retroactive bans are just messy, so easier to just draw a line in the sand and strictly enforce it from that point onward.

[@7arooofps]

Riot is really messing up with these rulings. It also happened in Valorant where G2's coach was heard celebrating with the team on their discord/TS and got a slap on the wrist but when it happened in NA with the "help sewers" incident it was a full blown DQ. There are other well known incidents in Valorant of Riot's poor judgement and ruling like the illegal Cypher cam and KJ mollies with varying degrees of punishments. I remembered one of the players said that in their region it was not forbidden but in Champions (Valorant Worlds) it was. I think they need to standardize their rulebooks across all Riot games departments all over the world and not have different rules with varying punishments for breaking them.

[@MiguelPerez-r4b]

Should've been a longer ban.

[@SonOfAbraham-m8k]

-1 worlds powerhouse for NA o7

[@fateadvicus6188]

Regardless of whether you think this is deserved or not, I think this probably will hurt TFT esports viewership more than it will hurt Setsuko. The esports side of TFT has always been second to content creator popularity, and most people tend to watch to see how far their favorite streamer will get in the tourney.

[@HienLeGia]

It's per protocol - this is what you'd want if any person tried to verbally harass you on amy games. Not to mention, it's Money Related.... Edit: In CN, they only raise concerns IF you put any Government Official Body under bad mouthing. No way being a trashy person would end you up suspended/banned. Using R-word is negotiable, not good to show your upset by mis-identifying people. Edgelord and actual assholes tend to use similar languages..... So there's that.

[@lionheartzcs2]

Ultimately what bothers me is that people are just engaging in blatant whataboutism including setsuko himself. Both things can be true; Win traders need to be banned and Riots ongoing silence is horrible for the esport, Setsuko also did something wrong but its not nearly as bad as the wintrading.

[@Wrecck12]

Can someone summarise what happened in 2 sentences max.I can't watch 20mins

[@PleXi00]

TLDR PLS

[@Klodrik479]

he said f*ck off

[@iceloki]

setsuko got "harrassed" by brazilians players and he talked shit to them as a revenge, he got banned on participating official tournaments for the whole set because of it

[@Sekrai]

Brazilian players in his chat -> said Brazilian r*tards -> banned from comp 2 months

[@felipepadilha4737]

setsuko is an asshole

[@ThandrieDavis]

Got off light

[@mdfamacion9513]

Nooo my bebe boy 😢

[@johnnyvelez10]

I wonder how much hard he would have gotten punished if he did something I don't know like cheating at worlds

[@QuanNguyen-uc2sn]

Deserved for playing TFT

[@DrAshico]

I think it’s…so weird that you’re comparing hate speech to a lack of competitive integrity…but go off!

[@mak10123]

It’s wild how many of you are so accepting of companies having the rights to censorship. They could easily come out and distance themselves from the comments and then commit to getting the violator help to understand their mistakes (something the nba is starting to lean towards because they have humane thinkers). But instead y’all just hear a person say something offensive and decide anything they get is deserved. This world is wild. Y’all are marks.

[@Oleoay]

Since they said Setsuko had committed repeat violations, they apparently tried to help him understand his mistakes. He didn't listen... and it got to the suspension level, in part, when he didn't understand his mistake and escalated it further. Beyond that, a company is a private entity, not a government, so there's no such thing as "rights to censorship" for unprotected speech. Companies can choose to censor though, if they want, like banning words on their chat platforms or disallowing offensive images.

[@mak10123]

@@Oleoay oh look. What a shock. Another ai talking about company rights on an internet platform.

[@Oleoay]

@@mak10123 oh look. Someone who needs to buy a clue. You should get a receipt in case you need to exchange it for a bigger clue.

[@kriskitt]

Just remember that Frodan isn't an independent source unbeholden to Riot.

[@totoyuki1]

its amazing that a video can provide full receipts and people will say shit like this. "He's biased" doesn't change that Setsuko lashed back at the entire Brazilian community for the actions of a few extremely toxic Brazilian fans. Its wild to see that, again and again, people will see blatant racism and come up with literally every possible excuse for why it should be ok. It's almost like they have a vested interest in racism being acceptable.

[@metallicamadsam]

NOBODY VIOLATE RAJOAT!

[@I_likecows]

Riot is just butt hurt that someone disrespected them and just pulled something out of their ass. The same thing that happened to IWD and Monte

[@MikeyDLuffy]

The argument about the cultural gap is irrelevant imo. This entire thing is based on competitive rulings. If anyone has been breaking rulings since set 4, they need to be held accountable

[@LyricalLuscinia]

No, riot's doing great

[@tsarven5674]

He didn’t say anything wrong hehe

[@folkloreecho]

If your argument is that someone else has done something worse, you don't have an argument. The wintrading thing is completely unrelated and bad in a competitive sense, but setsuko's behaviour is just unacceptable in any social context

[@dimitrijedragic3652]

Clown

[@yt-oliveira]

Well if you badmouth Brazilians as a whole, chances are, you're gonna be subject to an endless flow of negative comments for as long as you have an online career. Some random dude with near zero followers and viewers beefing with you doesn't justify you being prejudiced toward a whole country

[@isujeong]

This is not even serious as compared to wintrading.

[@HienLeGia]

It's simply Bad Publicity for TFT on eSports scene alone, but there's a lot of confidential informations not shown to the public. Publicity over Competitive Integrity at this Stage - I CAN be incorrect, but I do Hope they are ALL PUNISHED eventually.

[@s9gonfrompe125]

Deserved

[@ZeroRizing]

So is the Fiora guy a competitor? If so, they should also get banned imo.

[@ShadowHalkFly]

Um apartamento foi alugado na cabecinha do setsukinho

[@garciaalexanderdean8728]

A whole alot of land was bought by setsuko in brazilian tft community fine

[@augustocabralbueno6722]

yes, we can be a little provocative, but Lil bro can't lose his composure in the middle of the stream and talk shit like that, even if we curse his mother or smt like that. I still think that 2 months was not enough, especially with a pattern of behavior

[@Black-nf3tx]

So did he say something racist or just fuck off? If he only pretended to type fuck off then who cares

[@PyroFortune]

called someone r*tarded

[@nates5859]

Honestly brazil deserved that 7-1 game now 💀 Brazil went down a million aura points of this just proving they are scared send them back to their server 💀

[@sandorjanospapp3127]

deserved ban and sadly only 2 monts. why the hype?

[@fioratft]

i don't believe you were being honest when you said that you don't know who started this because you reacted to this on stream the very day it happened, but i'll answer anyway... the first time i posted anything relating to setsuko being toxic towards the brazilian community i just posted a clip and a copypaste, wasn't even expecting he to see it, he saw it and instead of just saying "oh, my bad" or at least saying that it was a joke because he kinda plays a toxic/tilted character for his stream he decided to double down, and only after doubling down on being toxic and in a way incentivizing his chat and community to say even worse things than he did (and not banning a single one of them) he started to receive a bit of backlash, so yeah, at least from my point of view he was the one who started it, because if he wasn't toxic on the first place i would still be tweeting about wow (or at least until twitter got banned on brazil xd). Every single person that saw the wintrading thing agrees that the "punishment" was a joke, but you can't use that to justify his actions, especially because it is not his first time being sanctioned on a tft tournament...

[@totoyuki1]

While Setsuko was way out of line with racism, you get absolutely no quarter either. Posting a list of school shootings is an absolutely insane thing to do, and the fact that nowhere above do you acknowledge or apologize for that says as much about you as Setsuko's comments say about him.

[@fioratft]

@@totoyuki1 i know, this is exactly why i said it, if he wants to say unhinged shit that's what's his response will be, if you don't want people getting back at you maybe you should just leave them alone. This was far from the first time I've seen people from the us act like they are better than everybody else (this is not exclusive to tft) so you gotta touch the wound a bit

[@totoyuki1]

@@fioratft sounds a lot like the same excuse making Setsuko did. I don't see the two of you as being very different, tbh. You both went in thoughtlessly with the intent to hurt, and achieved exactly that. Newsflash, but people are often horrible to each other, and I don't think anyone who pays attention to the US is ignorant of its massive problem with racism. I understand and empathize that being the target of racism is difficult and makes you want to lash back, but you're just as intolerable as Setsuko is, and for mostly identical reasons. Apparently both of you deserve each other.

[@fioratft]

​@@totoyuki1 noted, next time instead of responding and opening a ticket on the tft americas discord i'll just stay quiet and let him say some heinous things without repercussion

[@totoyuki1]

@@fioratft because using a list of school shootings is your only response? You couldn't draft a single other way to respond to him without resorting to that? Is there really, in your mind, not another appropriate thing you could have said or done? This is pathetic. Your behavior here is nothing short of petulant. Your arguments are childish. Its like listening to a toddler explain that they absolutely *HAD* to throw a block at another kid because that child upset them. Any adult could explain to a child that there are plenty of way to approach and solve a situation without resorting to unacceptable behavior. As a matter of fact, looking closely at your post, you DID have another avenue, which you used. You reported him to Riot with receipts. However, since he got ugly, you decided you absolutely had to as well, and instead of allowing an official investigation into his behavior run its course you felt the need to post a list of school shootings.

[@SweetDrummerNrOne]

NA have gotten away with this kind of slander for to long, they way all the top tft streamers talk is insanity to everyone else.

[@BohotTheRobot]

You poor thing

[@SweetDrummerNrOne]

@@BohotTheRobot ?

[@FellingBlu3]

The punishments just don't feel consistent at all. In no world should words on a stream being taken SIGNIFICANTLY more seriously then win trading across multiple sets and even at worlds. I think setsuko's punishment it correct, maybe a little harsh, but Riot are essentially saying that they view violating the competitive integrity of a tournament as less of an offense which just feels really strange. It feels like since they haven't punished it in the past they are just letting it go now because of precedent. They need to make some kind of statement about it, acknowledge that it happened in the past, and say going forward they are going to take a significantly harsher stance against it.

[@bigfloppa7760]

NA is so cringe for dragging CN into this 😂

[@ah3750]

o7

[@deadlyduck001]

How long's it been that Riot is owned by Chinese company Tencent?

[@virtuoso742]

❤

[@LemmeCook99]

Only 2 months, this set has been suck anyway. See it as a blessing, I guess

[@freebasher]

2 Months lol. Tyler1 was banned for life for this.

[@naantjez]

not even close to comparable plus t1 has literally been unbanned for like 8 years wtf are you even saying

[@PyroFortune]

he also ran it down while flaming

[@bobbobby475]

I hate Brazil gamers too but I'm allowed to say it because I'm not a pro gamer

[@johnathanroth6205]

Bro said mean words and got a 2 month ban. Riot got soft lmao

[@khailol2465]

Bro what If everyone would act like setsuko then noone would want to be in this community anymore. They have to make an example out of this and punish this so other people dont do the same

[@faraonul2527]

@@khailol2465shut up meg

[@TaylorG-Maddix]

Man when did people become so sensitive... It's just crazy how people want to cry about everything. Undeserved ban for sure.

[@gabrielaugone8135]

Dude, stop deffending your little buddy man. He started all this by himself, first calling us the worst region and then saying we are thrash at everything. I mean, look at this guys speaking. The way he thinks he is superior. Should have been banned for life and should have gone play fricking clash of clans or brawl stars

[@nidium1951]

Didn't watch the video^

[@MassGainerNA]

BOOOOOOOOO! Riot games is going woke....let gamers say whatever the fuck they want....if it's something you don't support cheer on their competitors! It's better to beat people you dislike than just outright deny them. All denying will do is make people leave TFT. "We DOnT WaNt ThOsE PEoplE AnYWAy!" is the biggest clown take of all time. Riot is owned by Tencent a publicly traded company.

[@zizeeo]

Ya Riot is just trash.

[@bzxc5]

Banned for, pretending to type F off, is crazy 😂😂

[@milan045]

And not calling a group of people r worded... Hmm

[@bzxc5]

Unless there's more clips than the 1 frodan showed, he's clearly shit talking back at people who were first yapping at him, not actually saying everyone from Brazil is deficient because they're from Brazil come tf on

[@milan045]

@@bzxc5 realistically, he could have been banned for his use of language long ago. Shit talking is one thing, another thing is using prohibited language during the tournament.

[@AspireBR]

It feels like falling into a stupid trap being led to conflate correct and reasonable rules like "be respectful in a professional context" with rules that are poisoned with ideological subtext like "don't do a hate speechrinooooo!!" Setsuko was a jerk, in the most classical way. He should be punished for this? yes, probably. But under "discrimination and denigration" rules? thats absurd. But anyways, that's what happens when you put ideological zealots in positions of power.

[@augustocabralbueno6722]

Que merda você tá falando gringo

[@TTyronE_]

I get where you're coming from, but they have it very specifically worded in Riot's code of conduct which is why he got punished for it. If he just said "r*tards" without the brazilians after, then he wouldn't have gotten hit with that one - but grouping together an entire population just ain't it in general. I think his punishment is deserved, and he's lucky that it isn't any longer tbh - 2 months is a short punishment, its easier to take it on the chin and learn from it. Edit: Seeing a bit more of the video and the win-trading shit, that should've been a mega clappening over that.

[@iMoD190]

how is it 'ideological zealotry' to not want players repeatedly and remorselessly dropping slurs and insulting nationalities? he's an adult who gets to play videogames for a living, he should grow up.

[@iMoD190]

@@TTyronE_ he won't learn from it though. he has a history of this behaviour and he's completely remorseless. he wasn't banned for this one incident alone.

[@2stepsfromyx449]

riot games rlly b like those teachers that punish ppl who stand up against bullies. Disgusting company

[@KodokuSamaa]

Setsuko gets banned but meanwhile people like Swellertiger can openly wintrade in ''proplay'' and only get fined/ slap on the wrist.

[@gabrielaugone8135]

Yes, we wanted to start a war, and we won. The dude hate Brasil and that is what you get for it

[@gabrielaugone8135]

Lesson learned. Do not mess with brazilians

[@Fengocity]

7-1

[@faraonul2527]

Garbage country

[@gabrielaugone8135]

@@Fengocity 5 🏆🥴

[@alv1572]

for people that keep saying "stop comparing", but the point still stands. It's not comparing, Setsuko's ban is 100% guaranteed. But the other party is equally as guilty or EVEN MORE guilty in competitive environment. Wintrading should have been an INSTANT perma ban

[@TheSirAshton90]

this kinda crap is why esports will never be main stream. let the hate flow let the passion out, with out deep rivalry's there no interest