Toyota admits its EV is "too expensive & the driving range is too short"

[@electricviking]

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[@WilliamMorfin]

Over five years ago, when Toyota was announcing huge plans for their EV market, I was actually excited about it. Now I know it was just a ruse. They even had a foothold in the US market with having a Tundra manufacturing facility already in the US. Even though they had the market virtually cornered with the Prius, they chose to squander it away. They caused their own demise.

[@blueslsd]

Kodak Car maker!

[@veganpotterthevegan]

I don't think it was a ruse. I think they were trying and their prototyping efforts were just significantly worse than what was getting to market.

[@sargfowler9603]

But they are not in demise are they?

[@WilliamMorfin]

@ They were working on hybrids and hydrogen technology behind the scenes the entire time. I can’t really blame them for it, because fossil fuel cars are more profitable, especially when you factor in all the maintenance and byproduct sales that are associated with oil; and going up against the fossil fuel industry isn’t easy.

[@WilliamMorfin]

@@sargfowler9603 They have the most debt of any other car manufacturers today, while the ICE auto industry is in turmoil. I would say they are in serious trouble.

[@galaxiedance3135]

REMEMBER how Toyota were lying in the Crash Tests? Building tougher vehicles for the tests and then making sub par vehicles for sale. I've lost all respect for Toyota after that. It's actually comforting for me to see them suffering :) WELL DESERVED !! P.S. Did you know they have a Solid State battery? Yeah! It's called the "Imaginary Battery" :)

[@RedRozzsesx]

Idk, i saw a girl in a Camry get T boned by a truck and walk out without a scratch..

[@zAngus]

Toyota having their Kodak moment.

[@jutebagsusa]

I think they thought they can change the narrative to Hybrid but they are also realizing future is EV. They were first in this space but now near footprints of WV. Similarly, I feel market forces that are denying QunatumScape will see their Kodak moment soon.

[@machoopichoo2]

Not only are IDRA (owned by a Chinese company) presses essentially bespoke, one of the most complicated parts, that Tesla has put a ton of thought into, are the molds themselves. Tesla was using a lot of send casting to figure out how to optimize and iterate on mold design, before going into production. The have also used a lot of computer modeling to figure out how the molten aluminum should flow through the mold.

[@Richard-s1d5q]

The chickens are finally coming home to roost at Toyota. 🐔 🐔 🐔 🐔 Declining quality, severe recalls, catastrophically defective turbo V6 and Corolla GR engines, failing transmissions, poorly-engineered BEVs and a recent scandal involving falsification of safety certification data. I'm not sure Toyota's lawyers or its prodigious global advertising budget can save it from this downward spiral this time.

[@enzoh7763]

Just waiting for our old tyta to become antique , Ha ha ha , maybe a Collectible .

[@antonio_fosnjar]

If I remember correctly, Toyota said they will use the gigacasts for their Lexus vehicles. Lexus sells waaay to little of units for them to make this profitable.

[@alex.velasco]

Let me be clear: if an automaker cannot make a profit when the entire world is in the process of upgrading from ICE engines to EV motors, they are useless. When consumers upgrade from old tech to new tech, it results in huge boom for the industries concerned. For example: the switch from mainframe computers to PCs was so massive that we're still feeling the effects today; the switch from analogue to digital tech has spawned entire new economies (IT); even the switch from CRT television to flat panels, followed by HD TVs, followed by 4K TVs followed by 8K has rained profits on those manufactures. If the CEOs of auto companies cannot profit from the current environment, they are utterly incompetent.

[@nickyoung4799]

A couple of questions arising from your comment. When you say 'the entire world' is transitioning to EVs, are you including Africa, South Asia, Latin America and the former Soviet Union in that? If so, I must beg to differ. I could be wrong, but the technology transitions you mentioned did not require massive government intervention to persuade people to switch to PCs and flat screen TVs. Toyota appears to have played its hand quite cleverly. 'Net zero' is massively unpopular amongst ordinary people, and the US has just flushed it completely. Early adopters and the well off have already got their EVs. The rest of us are either hostile or indifferent, which is why, in the UK, at least, there are thousands of massively discounted electric cars with no buyers. A tiny percentage of these are Toyotas.

[@alex.velasco]

@@nickyoung4799 Drivel. You must be an industry troll. How can net zero be ‘massively unpopular’? Absurd. Do people love pollution so much? Do they love paying a big chunk of their earnings for fuel? Outside of your industry-sponsored astro-turf movements, do you think the Chinese, Indians, and others around the world, enjoy coughing their lungs out every morning? On the subject of EVs: this channel has been documenting the tipping point that is occurring live, at this very moment, when EVs will inevitably replace ICEs around the world. And the change is happening faster than most people realise.

[@WhiteBear-u3d]

@@nickyoung4799 Correct.

[@alex.velasco]

@@nickyoung4799 Drivel. You must be an industry troll. How can net zero be ‘massively unpopular’? Absurd. Do people love pollution so much? Do they love paying a big chunk of their earnings for fuel? Outside of your industry-sponsored astro-turf movements, do you think the Chinese, Indians, and others around the world, enjoy coughing their lungs out every morning? On the subject of EVs: this channel has been documenting the tipping point that is occurring live, at this very moment, when EVs will inevitably replace ICEs around the world. And the change is happening faster than most people realise.

[@michaeltan6892]

I was excited when Toyota announced its solid state battery in 2014. Still anxiously waiting.........

[@guslevy3506]

They keep developing “industry changing game changers” with the solid state tech so they haven’t had a chance to release it. But boy you wait til that happens…

[@passby8070]

Toyota Charman and CEO is doing major cope. They have absolutely no vision, this year will be a major reckoning for them as their dominance will start collapsing one by one in south east Asia, here in Australia and much of global south.

[@Richard-s1d5q]

Wow. Kharmic retribution for the past 30 years of hubris and lying to the public is finally coming back to haunt Toyota...

[@XXfea]

New CAR!! New Name!! Toyota TURD

[@Richard-s1d5q]

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[@Richard-s1d5q]

ToyoTuRDs UNITE!!!! 💩 💩 💩 💩

[@undisclosedthai]

Maybe shorten to TRD

[@Islamisthecultofsin]

"Think you hate it now, just wait till you drive it!"

[@enzoh7763]

​@@Islamisthecultofsin , TYTA is reliable , TYTA aren't cheap to buy too . - Over the years , That reliability is ENSURED , by proper maintence , using OEM , care & handling . Ita not cheap , But it give you reliability and peace of mind . That in itself is priceless . - That just remind me of the old adage , NOTHING is FREE .

[@jereignjayavenhenryjohn6802]

Dear Toyota, Keep doing what you're doing.....focus on Hybrids, PHEV , down-size engines...... and recall as many cars later.

[@thedukeofalinor1377]

Toyota will have to buy some BEV tech or fail. As for FCVs, they just lied, hoping ICE would continue forever. When the Mirai came out as a compliance car in CA and NY it was obvious Toyota was not behind FCV adoption because dealers did NOT have fueling stations.

[@henvan8737]

Toyota's BZ4X uses 96 large battery blocks of 201 amp hours each. Managing these large battery blocks is difficult in a vehicle like the BZ4X especially managing the heat produced. These battery blocks are normally used in home battery storage. This is why Supercharging is only up to 150kw as well as discharging at 150kw even for the dual motor version. Toyota have shown they really don't understand how to build an EV.

[@frostcb2]

BZ4X is their CHEVY Bolt

[@paulc6766]

The Chevy Bolt is decent for what it is.

[@villaminium]

7:41 what an amazing quote 😂

[@Pauser71]

“…like upgrading a turd into a slightly less smelly turd”. LOL😅😅😅

[@thehackmusician]

Keep up the great work mate

[@ДмитрийАндрианов-й4ы]

Toyota has bet on its hydrogen engine and seems to have put almost all its chips on it. It's unlikely they'll be able to break the bank.

[@icls9129]

Toyota hydrogen powered cars are a dead end. The future is EV.

[@enzoh7763]

​@@icls9129 Its dead end , Unless every market goes big time nuke power plants , to energize conversion of hydrogen into usable fuel for transport equipments. Every country is averse to nuke power plant , except , france, russia and china . And china is going all guns on nuke power plant, among other sources . Electric rates from nuke is so cheap ,. Either to charge EV battery or Convert hydrogen into fuel . But the jap will not go into nuke again . Hiroshima, Nagasaki , Fukushima. Maybe next is Edo region ? Just kidding

[@bjm23vancity92]

Murai owners in the US have launched a lawsuit against Toyota they are so disappointed

[@ISuperTed]

Blindingly obvious they are going to just rebadge Chinese cars now, they are so far behind it’s pitiful. Their only hope really is to be first with solid state that have long range, longevity and faster charging. Otherwise they will just wither away.

[@camsmith4047]

It takes more than just a good battery to make a good BEV. Its all about the software and efficiency these days

[@Rene-uz3eb]

Well they dug their own grave. Companies come and go. In 2023 they said every model would have a ev version in 2025 and that half their budget is going into ev dev. Guess not.

[@stanmitchell3375]

They could buy catl chassis next year, then add their body

[@ISuperTed]

Rebadging Chinese designs is really all they have now.

[@thescouselander5531]

Not just Toyota EVs, these issues apply to all EVs where I am at least.

[@nosretep1960]

My '24 CCH AWD @70+% EV ratio in dead winter. Goes up warm months, so does MPG. No range anxiety 😂

[@SemiDad]

I recently bought a 2015 Honda Accord I4 6sp with 150k miles for my son for $9.985. I fully expect to get another 100,000 miles out of it. Please show me a 2015 EV for $10k without any battery replacement concerns that will do another 100,000 miles without breaking the bank. Thanks 👍

[@paulc6766]

2015 no but that 10 years ago.

[@SemiDad]

@ that’s the huge problem with 10 year old used EVs. No student is going to risk buying one.

[@jarmovainikka2695]

I like Toyota cars Hydrid cars are excellent much better than Ev cars

[@MbeyaIsHome]

Someone should be able to swap out the fuel cell and replace it with a battery.

[@nr5494]

Seems Toyota are struggling. Lexus have sold just 39 LS400’s in the UK in the last 5 years. And just 3 last year. Last one out please switch off the lights.

[@donga2000]

Only one way Toyota can expand its fuel cell market is to give away its patent and make other automakers start making the same thing. Right now, it owns too much patents on feul cell technology which actually stopped other companies joining this field.

[@casperhansen826]

I think there is another Elephant in the room

[@frostcb2]

All auto makers aren’t dumb enough to make fuel cell

[@ISuperTed]

They could pay them to take it and it still wouldn’t work.

[@icls9129]

Too little, too late.

[@francoischarbonneau9447]

But there's still no infrastructure, who's going to pay for that, Toyota? Certainly not the tax payer's?

[@drmap5194]

Toyota is living in fools paradise Yes they are true about North America and may be usa and 3rd world countries there transfer to electric vehicles may take another 10 to 15 yrs

[@drmap5194]

In Europe also transfer to electric vehicles may take 10 yrs or more

[@twostate7822]

In other news, Toyota announces that its hydrogen Mirai is now getting more mileage per kilo of hydrogen than ever before. One Mirai owner drove a whole year without refueling once. Oops, that Mirai owner actually ran out of fuel and couldn't find a hydrogen refueling station for a year so the car sat in the garage for a year. In any case, one tank of hydrogen did last a whole year. And in more news, Toyota announces that hybrids are the future of EVs.

[@jutebagsusa]

does it mean that Toyota admitting why they have been so bullish on Hybrid narrative, knowing future is EV.

[@chlistens7742]

FYI IDRA makes Tesla's giga presses so it was a good idea to get them from IDRA. the mold in the press needs to be made and can easily be modified. so getting the press is a big deal Giga- texas has 2 9000 tone and 6 6500 ton presses.. giga shanghai 5 giga presses giga berlin has 8 and Fremont has 2. all from IDRA so yes getting a giga press is important start

[@enzoh7763]

Attracting money is the first step . Even Elon has done some hard work on it . , - TYTA would have no problem with more loans /debt .

[@patekrolex]

At least in some country. Your option less car is really expensive compare to full option full performance EV car.

[@Quickrex]

Again something out of the blue, no reliable news articles covering your claim. Nada 👌

[@hillwalker8741]

so incredibly simple - just sub all mfg to china - just need to produce a logo in japan and slap it on

[@icls9129]

Hollow victory, soon lost.

[@enzoh7763]

And viola , made in japan A good buss model , Until it isn't.

[@frankcoffey]

Choice? So the new Camry only has one powertrain choice it used to have 3. How is that choice?

[@danielcarlen1339]

The Toyota Viking does it again 😅 Yet another post on how terrible the Bz4x is. We get it. I like your content for the most part, but there must be something more than bad Toyota and good BYD. Come on…

[@dougm659]

It’s a close call between the Germans and the Japanese as to who is the more deluded and misguided about the future of the auto market…both are incredibly resistant to change and equally headstrong….pride comes before a fall and both countries are heading for a horrible shock when their car industries collapse!

[@brucec954]

Where there is not a will, there is not a way.....

[@radovanminic7219]

The Western monetary "currency floating system" is designed in such a way that when it starts to sink, it sinks all at once.😮

[@ZweiZwolf]

Having burned all of their R&D money on Hydrogen, and now likely under government pressure to merge with Subaru (also Isuzu), Toyota lacks the management bandwidth to sustain HSD tech, much less push into EVs. This is why they're moving to BYD Hybrid tech and can't develop a competitive EV. Toyota will do fine in legacy markets like the US and Japan, with limited success in the EU, but everywhere else, they're in very big trouble due to how fast the Chinese are moving. In a decade, Toyota will be an also ran.

[@knoxtan325]

Driving a Hydrogen bomb around …scary

[@roco9504]

Had a 2007 Prius, they were truly ahead at the time. Then I got a 2017 plug in hybrid, they started falling behind but it was still a big PHEV market. That’s it now tho, it’s the ages of EV. My next will be Tesla, bye bye Toyota . Once I have reliable charging network 😞

[@gingerdude94]

I'd quite like a Lexus nx, can't afford one but I do like them....this won't help their sales but I'd have one if given one.

[@pipersall6761]

The hydrogen Toyotas would be ok if you could generate your own hydrogen at home.

[@SuhandiWijaya]

Toyota is stuck on fossil and double downing on it. Tik tok, timer counting down to their demise.

[@MikeKisil]

Not only Toyota telling us that Toyota ev suck I guess it's a start now if they can clean house in the mind set that is on going then that would be seriously in right direction row row the boat merely down the river who brought the oars ! ?.

[@victorsvoice7978]

Toyota got greedy. They use to make affordable small hatchbacks. But they caught the American disease. Big cars. Big profits. Poor design and no innovation.

[@Arctic5fox]

I'm still driving a sequoia 2002. I will never give up my baby no matter what.

[@paulmcgraw9284]

I'm sorry to see this. Toyota's BX4X is not a bad looking car. I've seen them on the road. It's a shame that they're not so great. I test drove one and it wasn't bad. If only they had made this car as reliable as their old standbys, the Corolla and Camry! Toyota needs to STEP UP it's EV game if they hope to make any EV progress. BTW, they need to STOP their silly fantasy of hydrogen powered cars! Where are you going to fill them up with hydrogen?? At least with EV's, there are far more charging locations than for hydrogen! C'mon Toyota, get your EV act together!

[@Tonysia-y]

Electric . . . Combustion . . . = Hybrid. 2 times the things that can go wrong.

[@NighthunterNyx]

What is,up.with BZ3C?

[@leswhitehouse]

I bet you're loving this 😢

[@EVVolksmanID.4]

The only hope for Toyota EV's is that the new administration will set back EV adoption in the US and possibly give them some time to catch up. I do see quite a few BZ4X's in New York City as taxicabs and their current lease offer of $179 a month with $4,000 down is not bad. But Consumer reports rates them low on reliability which is Toyota's saving grace. I guess if you could get a low enough monthly lease payment ( lower than any other EV) and only use it for daily driving, it would be OK?

[@enzoh7763]

The new adm , Is screwing the people pocketbook and survivability. Spend 35k of ICE or more for hybrid , While Dolphin and seal are just under 15 k . - But then , we are all pawns , No power , No one care for us .

[@larryc1616]

First! ⚡️🇺🇸

[@WhiteBear-u3d]

Two companies will survive this Electric vehicle mess and they are BYD and Toyota.

[@WhiteBear-u3d]

Statics are showing Australians are resisting buying electric cars and choosing either ICE cars or Hybrids. Byd Toyota EV Technology Co., Ltd. (BTET) are the leaders in Hybrid technology and like EV batteries, Hybrid technology is improving also, perhaps at a faster rate than battery technology. Byd/ Toyota claim their Hybrids will have a range of in excess of 2,000 km. So what are the buyers going to choose. Will it be an EV that costs around $50,000 and has an average range 350 km and a charging infrastructure that is not yet in place in Australia, or a Hybrid that costs around $40,000 and has a range of 2,000 km and all the infrastructure is already in place. We will see how the market goes.

[@amaslam111]

Their pride is going to be their downfall. Essentially Toyota could add full ev models to 5geir existing Corolla, Camry and Rav4 lines by getting CATL skateboard platforms. Then they have some time to finish their gigacasting and new design cars. By not even offering an option theyre just givjng up market share.

[@nevco8774]

The conservativeness of Toyota is so detrimental to its own business model to the point the company cannot innovate reliable even in its ICE and HEV areas where it was supposed to be top notch: problems with new engines and Hybrid Tundra for towing. When it comes to EVs its engineers were never allowed to do their best.

[@enzoh7763]

Tyta has decided , No Ev, Just hydrogen .

[@Richard-s1d5q]

BZ4X = Electrified TuRD

[@robertdollar8758]

Need infrastructure for hydrogen. Doesn't seem to be happening. Too bad for Mirai owners, Toyota.

[@APCSheet]

But their hybrids amazing. Ask BYD. If you need a good coverage of China OEMs hit me up! I am cheap!

[@stevenbarrett7648]

I'm hoping to sell Toyota my new Improbability Drive it weighs 4 grams charges in a minute and runs most vehicles about 600 miles. Do you think they will go for it ?. If they do I also have a Bridge in London for sale !

[@brehanayele2854]

I have never heard you say one good things about TOYOTA, but instead your are a great advocate of poor quality cars like CHERY. TIME WILL TELL IT ALL.

[@domlarry]

Current ev by Toyota is rubbish but will change patience will pay dividends for Toyota

[@FrankiePo89]

The world is evolving too fast it'll not wait for Toyota.

[@ISuperTed]

How? Chinese EV’s are years ahead of Toyota, so how can they catch up if they can’t sell them outside Japan and the West?

[@donga2000]

At least my MAGA freinds like buy a hybrid next. 😂

[@enzoh7763]

They should only buy american , Old detroit ICE vehicle . - Hybrid is jap .

[@icls9129]

Toyota hybrid powertrain was good 5 years ago, but nothing new since then, and their EV tech is bad. Toyota software is terrible.

[@future_horizon]

Tesla has become a brand of fascism😢

[@Prufrock888]

They make fantastic HEVS, better than anyone else and they have captured the market.

[@Steve-co1ic]

Going back some years I owned a Toyota Supra it was absolutely crap, fast crap but still crap, I've never bought another Toyota

[@paulc6766]

Toyota were great 20 years ago but not now.

[@bjm23vancity92]

The Toyota fanboys will tell you, Toyota was so smart and right all the way by not building EV's...

[@MakingSenseOfJamaica]

BYD will soon be the new Toyota.

[@frankcoffey]

It's about time Toyota admitted it has no EV game. If you can't make something desirable and competitive just stay out of the market. Keep making tailpipe cars. They may as well because their customers have socialized all of their anti EV talking points and won't be buying many in the future even when they are good. Toyota poisoned the well.

[@MrEddie68000]

Instead of talking smack, we should applaud Toyota for trying. China took years to get where they are. Encourage our allies and don't put them down. You are part of the ally block. We can still speak honestly about their up hill battles, but be encouraging.

[@paulc6766]

As this company has been campaigning world wide against any attempts to clean up the environment - no we should not give them any licence.

[@dantribby199]

Its the worst charging, ugliest interior ev on the market. I wouldn't buy one for more than 50 USD a month.

[@WhiteBear-u3d]

Teslas are the ugliest cars on the road.

[@jeffmichaels1703]

I'm NOT ignorant Toyota! Hydrogen Powered vehicles are NOT the direction of the automotive industry so say to the world you screwed up, close down production and concentrate on producing BEV'S even though you are 10-15 years behind Tesla which I am a very happy owner of.

[@TUHANbukanorangARAB]

Some people think that electric cars made in Tiongkok are cheap but Electric Vehicle companies in Tiongkok are expanding to produce Electric Cars in Indonesia where the cost of production even much lower than in Tiongkok and avoiding high tariff by USA and EU.

[@Sloth_girl-z2h]

Toyota isn't Stellantis, Stellantis products are terrible and beset by quality control issues. They also have to many brands, many with very old platforms. I am more than happy to attack Toyota for its failure in EV, it's obsession with HFC and its dragging its feet in Australia on emissions standards. However, let's not equate it with Stellantis which has been teetering for a decade. It's just hyperbole and click bait not informed analysis.

[@chaz4609]

Jai Hind. Although green, Xi is never interested in hydrogen fuel vehicles because the Japanese like Toyota hold the vast majority of its patents.

[@paulc6766]

No Japan went for Hydrogen to AVOID being dependent on China.

[@michaelbedard7859]

Lol 😊

[@3jplearner]

toyota please continue doing what you are good at- petrol cars!

[@camsmith4047]

they are, they want to pollute the environment as long as possible as that is where profits are made. They are even asking governments around the world to not make it hard for them to sell ICE vehicles.

[@aeromtb2468]

they literally owned a piece of tesla. maybe if you had humbled yourself and kept on working with them. lexus flagship vehicle could have been top selling evs

[@UniteAmericaUnite]

Sam inspired me to make this AI podcast: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpvMYqKleZ52aa8si=36PdeL7RFOEhP9F7

[@barrycrosby8602]

Probably because toyota have multiple fuel options being developed and arnt joining the rest of the lemmings committing economic suicide by going all ev, vw and jaguar I'm looking at you

[@paulc6766]

Don't want any fuel options.

[@scoty_does]

Delayed so they can put a 1000 mile solid state batter in it?

[@namingshard17]

they have been foreshadowing solid state batter for more than a decade, they dont have it and will never have it.

[@HugoTeerds]

LOL!

[@scoty_does]

@ Yeah i looked it up. since 2012..

[@ISuperTed]

They keep promising this but don’t deliver. I have absolutely no confidence Toyota will be first to market with solid state as all the biggest players are Chinese.

[@scoty_does]

@@ISuperTed Legacy auto is desperately holding onto the past.

[@kristofvoros6120]

Spoiler alert: Every electric car is heavy and have low range. Oh, and ridicilously expensive, I almost forgot😂

[@paulc6766]

Another old fool.

[@kristofvoros6120]

@paulc6766 Not old, just someone with a STEM degree who worked in the battery industry. This will be like this for a decade ahead at least, energy density is low, batteries improve pretty slowly in reality, but I expect EVs take over after a longer while...

[@Dungshoveleux]

I think that is all EVs. You can buy a used ICE for GBP2k. You can't do that with EVs.

[@NighthunterNyx]

Toyota Mirai is selling well in some places in Europe. It turns out cheaper to use in some cases.

[@ISuperTed]

Where is it selling well? Do you have some numbers?

[@paulc6766]

@@ISuperTed I think he is referring to Ukraine using them to blow up Russians.

[@NighthunterNyx]

@@ISuperTed Switzerland and Germany if I recall their sales figure sin Europe. It is overall the second worst of Toyota cars only bested by the Supra that sold few tens of cars in 2024. Mirai I think sold couple of thousand. You can search for Toyota Europe sales figures. There was big discussion around the 2 worst models :-)

[@ISuperTed]

@@NighthunterNyx 533 for the whole of Europe in 2024

[@NighthunterNyx]

@ yeah. If I recall correctly this is in 2 specific places in Europe.

[@Richard-s1d5q]

Toyota apologists UNITE HERE & NOW in this Comments section!!!!

[@HowardsFlyingTigers]

Can you put your videos out on a higher volume They are too quiet and difficult to turn up

[@ArtKirsch]

Toyota is producing batteries at their battery plant in n. Carolina now in Jan. Of 2025. They will produce 4 different kinds of batteries at that plant on 14 production lines over the next 2 years. 2 years is a short amount of time. They were one of the top auto companies in the world in 2024. In 2026 and 2027 Toyota will be building one hell of a lot of plugins and electrics with great batteries. I’ll bet on Toyota.

[@lordzed83]

looks shit like all suvs lol

[@gressshap8200]

The EV bubble was short lived…. Who is buying EVs…. madness given their cost and depreciation. They will find there place in the cites and the die hards out there who like a travel challenge

[@paulc6766]

We are getting less of these old fools commenting now.

[@enzoh7763]

We aren't going to buy ICE , Unless to replace these old ICE thats still running good . The are just waiting for SHTF where no more electricity to charge the EV's . A friend , drive a taxi . Monthly electricity cost for his EV = 200.oo For his Hybrid Camry , 500~600 ,. Gas around 900~1100. He said , The logic is there , Add maintenance cost , Even forrest gump could figure it out after a box of chocolate .

[@pasqualitractor9385]

Where do you get these numbers? Look on the streets. 25% EVs on global market 😂😂😂 Looks to me that your pay check is comming from China 😮

[@Knightmare919]

To be fair china is the bigger car market in the world there's 3 of them actually the North American, The European and The Chinese car market.

[@markg5552]

he’s referring to NEW car sales being 25% electric, not total cars

[@pasqualitractor9385]

@@markg5552 Not in EU

[@Quickrex]

CCP script, do they translate for him. Let see how long that comment hangs around

[@sargfowler9603]

To be fair, ALL EVs are too expensive and the range is too short.

[@veganpotterthevegan]

The cheapest EVs available in most of the developed west are cheaper than an average new car sale price. Range also often rivals ICE vehicles. Charge time and charger access is the issue but rarely a real issue for 95% of drivers

[@sargfowler9603]

@ Hilarious!

[@enzoh7763]

​@@sargfowler9603 , It is hilarious ,. Just like a friend of a friend , He married a USED prostitute , He said he is lucky to have her . We all agree , wholeheartily , HE IS A FRIEND TOO . And we have a laugh when they are out of the building . CHEERS , as the door close .

[@camsmith4047]

short for what, you want to drive 350km per day. We are not close yet to providing an EV as substitutes for the all the different ICE vehicles out there, for all the driving scenarios. With city based urban driving, EVs are far superior than ICE, even better if you have a powerpoint at home

[@veganpotterthevegan]

@@camsmith4047 I can and will drive +800 miles in a day. Done it many times. But I know a fraction of the population will ever do that once. And it's not like it's normal for me. What car can to that one one tank?😅 I drive a lot, but nearly always, the shorter range Nissan Leaf would be enough for me.

[@st8595]

boring

[@brikeclark4546]

On my 10th Toyota and my third hydrid. Recently the phev. All have been stone cold reliable, Effiecient and good to drive. Recently bought a ford ranger for its tow rating. It’s ok but nowhere near the build quality of a Toyota. Waiting to see how the reliability is…

[@marcelstanford430]

Toyota thinks globally and most countries have no charging infrastructure. They also knew ev mandates were creating artificial demand and that without subsidies they won't sell. Toyota is the only critically thinking car manufacturer and will still be around long after others have gone. Hybrids were always the way to go.

[@WilliamMorfin]

@@marcelstanford430 Except for they were wrong about everything and are now paying the price for it. It turns out a charging infrastructure isn’t that difficult to apply once you invest into it. Considering that renewables and EV’s were the obvious future, that was a fatal miscalculation. Critical thinking should’ve helped you see through the fossil fuel propaganda.

[@verygoodbrother]

And yet Toyota went ahead with hydrogen which has even less infrastructure than EV charging. With EV charging the main issue is fast DC charging, but many have access to slow charging via wall outlet at home (though not for some apartment dwellers).

[@WilliamMorfin]

@@verygoodbrother Agreed, installing a lvl 2 charger in my garage was a game changer. The problem is that most people aren’t forward thinking enough to see the changes that EV’s will cause. For one, the entire gas station infrastructure will be almost completely absolute. In its place will be things like wireless passive charging in parking spaces and roadways. Battery and solar panel efficiency will improve enough to make charging almost unnecessary.

[@ISuperTed]

If you’re talking about no infrastructure, why did Toyota back Hydrogen? It’s fine having some good Hybrids, which they do, but they completely failed to see how EV’s took off in China and are taking holding in most of the rest of the world. I hope Toyota does well, but their strategy isn’t deep thinking at the moment, it’s playing catch-up.

[@ArtKirsch]

@@WilliamMorfin Toyota is the number one auto company in the world how are they paying the price. In two years time when all 4 of their new batteries are being produced the plug-in and electric models will explode. The first hybrid battery is now being produced in n. Carolina. The other three will start production in less than 2 years. Toyota will still be at the front of the pack. Don’t be a fool and bet against Toyota.

[@RunQC]

People want hybrids not EV’s. Toyota does a great job.

[@catherinegrimes2308]

Thou jest of course.

[@RunQC]

@ Why would I jest about the truth?

[@EVVolksmanID.4]

Whatever vehicle suits your current situation. If you can charge at home, an EV works. If not, get a hybrid. At current US gas prices a Prius is just as inexpensive to fuel as an EV.

[@casperhansen826]

People who bought plugin hybrids love the EV part and hate the ICE part and then the ICE part breaks and it is insanely expensive to fix, they would have been better off with an all EV, same story every time

[@tmytco7664]

Hybrids are a participation trophy for trying to make an EV