Toyota GT86 TRD v Mazda MX-5 BBR Turbo | evo TRACK BATTLES

Richard Meaden compares the Toyota GT86 TRD against the BBR Mazda MX-5 on track at Blyton Park. Prepare to see some rather sideways action.
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[@Rally4Life1982]

Good to see someone reviewing performance cars who can drive! :)

[@stichy420]

Meh.. As much as I want the MX5 to win, it wasn't fair... Why not do stock MSMX5 vs stock TRD86??

[@afarrel3195]

it only have a 2 second difference anyway

[@StelaPop]

Only 2 seconds difference on lap time, but almost a 100HP difference. Let BBR have a go at a stock GT86 and then we will have apples to apples instead of what you have done with this article!

[@StelaPop]

funny that people are still commenting on this but all of you number crunchers are forgetting the other number in the Power-to-Weight ratio which is important here...weight.

[@sniktun1]

People were talking about power to grip ratio. Theres no point having a super light and powerful car if you can't get any traction out of it

[@idontmakemanyvideos2271]

It's good to see the Miata getting the respect it deserves lol

[@montanarealty83]

Agree with others...this is really stupid and pointless comparison. A third party tuner edition with a turbo and massive horsepower gains vs. a factory tuner kit with no engine mods. Not exactly the same thing and pretty pointless.

[@bzdtemp]

Not really as they cost the same and the MX-5 modified like that comes with warranty so it essentially just a new car.

[@ahmedhakeem1044]

bzdtemp highly misleading, the BBR comes with a BBR warranty which is only 12 months, the TRD GT86 comes with a 5 year factory warranty.

[@douglark5390]

Ahmed Hakeem BBR comes with 3 years warranty, as a std MX5!

[@ahmedhakeem1044]

Doug Lark not from what I have read, a quick Google search will prove it.

[@douglark5390]

Ahmed Hakeem Dont know where your reading but your wrong! www.bbrgti.com/product_details.php?id=11677&make=18&model=531

[@davide458italia]

I like both... this Toyota looks better than the standard version

[@bakemono858]

Stupid comparison really with these two specific cars one being a third party tuner. One has just TRD's stuff thrown on some aero, exhaust, wheels + tires and prob air intake where the Miata has a turbo kitted with wheels and tires. Anyone could have guessed that the Miata would win.

[@143CAR]

I've been a huge fan of EVO for years, and it is tough for me to watch EVO consistently and repeatedly lash the GT86 for the lack of power/torque for its price. I live in Canada, where the equivalent Scion FR-S is $2000 cheaper than the most basic Mazda MX-5, with the FR-S having a solid 30+hp and 10 more lb-ft of torque than than MX-5. I have never heard EVO complain about the MX-5's lack of power or torque, so why is it an issue with the FR-S/GT86? Is it just to do with the price? And why does it always seem that they have track battles of these cars; I thought EVO's motto was "the thrill of driving", not "the thrill of the fastest lap time"? Also - as many have pointed out (ignoring the price discussion), this is a battle between a (basically) stock NA car vs. a turbo charged car that has been on the market for almost 10 years. Just for the record I used to be a MX-5 owner and now own the GT86 and love both cars so I would like to think that I am not completely biased =)

[@saulespino2510]

Mazda might of given EVO some kind of incentive to get the Miata to be a better car than the GT86, because for one thing this Miata is turbo charged so of course it was going to be faster. HELLO

[@MagicAyrtonforever]

Now try this against a boosted GT86.

[@chrissorreda4982]

MagicAyrtonforever Dumbass, this isn't about the 86 and the MX-5. It's a comparison between the dumbasses at TRD and BBR.

[@MagicAyrtonforever]

Chris Sorreda Or you're the dumbass for writing shit on youtube. The TRD is just a bodykit moron!

[@Cafferssss]

Fuckit just use a time attack built jz swapped 86 and the comparison wouldn't be any less fair hahah

[@yeongvinsheng7639]

@@Cafferssss put a 2gr + twin turbos, that would be much better

[@raw_pc]

great fun cars, both of them but if you could put Honda S2000 into the mix you could see where your money should go to :D

[@LifeSuxAss637]

fanboys come out to play

[@baoyiyang]

These two are production cars, there are no more new S2000 these days

[@R3Dv3rsion]

Should of been the Litchfeild supercharged BRZ vs this BBR turbo MX-5. I think that would of been a more competitive comparison, similar power output and price.

[@iclatworthy]

I was just about to post the same thing. I would love to see more of the Litchfield BRZ it does look very well developed.

[@spazda_mx5]

According the Litchfields website its not available yet and theres no price.

[@R3Dv3rsion]

agentbob100 www.litchfieldimports.co.uk/Toyota/BRZ-GT86-SPEC-S Price is 3,495 euros.

[@spazda_mx5]

John Red Ahh, Google turned up a different page to that which didn't have price/details. Cost is £3495+VAT = £4194 or €5088, I guess that is not a fitted price thought? The Stage One 262bhp BBR conversion for the MX-5 is £6k fitted (including tax) so in the same ballpark, neither includes wheels/brakes/suspension mods. It would be a more interesting test and again points to what a waste of money the TRD GT86 is - buy a base GT86 instead and head to Litchfields via your favorite tyre outlet - cashback.

[@R3Dv3rsion]

agentbob100 Thanks for clearing up the price on it, I knew it would be in the same price range. I would love to see some hot lap times of the Litchfeild kit.

[@plumdog]

It would be interesting to see the 86 vs the ND 4th gen MX-5, and turbo them both to see how they go (this vid shows a 3rd gen MX-5). At stock the ND MX-5 is faster than the 86 so I assume with both up-spec'd it'd probably stay similar, but it would be cool to see what these new gen coupes can do with a bit of minor work on power, tyres, suspension etc. Would love to own either.

[@_chipchip]

How are people saying this isn't a good comparison? The cars are both RWD, and similarly priced! I know which I'd rather have for the money (mx5) and that's coming from a 86 fan.

[@MotorDetroit]

People always gotta criticize... I enjoyed the video. Thanks.

[@dartagnanx1]

Thanks! Really great review. Ignore the naysayers... these cars are similar money and they're new, and to car buyers like myself two contenders. I'm a huge fan of both cars. And both are hugely upgradeable and tunable. I think they're both winners.

[@baymao5480]

how are you gonna compare a modified car vs a factory car? get a factory miata and redo the comparison and lets see the results then. but great video on how just rims and tires on a GT86 can make that big of a difference

[@reinhart482]

Would love to see a supercharged gt86 vs turbo miata. I think gt86 is best raw driving experience while still being somewhat practical vs Miata

[@SebastianBlix]

I hate that TRD doesn't mean anything performance related anymore. Fancy seat covers, fog lights, functionless wings, stickers, etc are not Racing Development, Toyota.

[@mobilesuitcarl]

It seems that a lot of people are missing the main basis of the comparison : Price. It isn't a pointless comparison at all because it is equal on terms of price. In terms of power? Hell no it isn't fair but that isn't what they're looking at here. They are comparing two cars with similar prices that do compete for the same buyer.

[@barrelbombx]

Honestly, you guys have some of the best camera work I've ever seen in your reviews.

[@koukiR32]

It's just too bad that Honda S2000 is no longer available. That would have easily be the best of the 3. Mazda MX5 is just a bit dated, and the loose rear end. Just don't seems to be as well developed car as compared to the 86. Given HKS Supercharger kit or Greddy/Trust Turbo kit? I think we would have a clear winner between the two.

[@bakemono858]

if there was a new s2k it would be WAY more expensive than either of these two honestly.

[@koukiR32]

bakemono858 True, but the S2K does perform beyond the performance level of these two thou. I would compare the S2K to Boxster, Lotus Elise, Z4, SLK to be fair

[@Vind1ctus]

Diu Nei S2K is a different beast. It's a car that goes well on the track stock, and it cost $20,000 more than the miata did brand new in Australia. For that price you could buy a brand new miata, stick a turbo on it and have some cash to spare. They're both great cars, but you just can't compare them when it comes to price.

[@koukiR32]

Vind1ctus Well said. Same goes with any car really. But simply put when you compare a "tuned" version of the Miata against a "stock" 86 that doesn't seem fair either right? Especially ones with nothing more than an aero kit, wheels, and muffler?

[@Vind1ctus]

Diu Nei Yeah this video is dumb.

[@RichardMajor86]

What's with the weird high pitched turbo noise from the GT86 on the drive-by shots?

[@wesleyhites02gt19]

Richard Major tires losing grip maybe😂

[@IcemanSam650]

Cant wait to buy a GT86/FRS/BRZ in 5-10 years when they are under 10k lmao.

[@1finchgreen]

@anarhy09 you can get a gt86/brz for just under 10k now. So he was right.

[@topspeedsystems8091]

hi mate, did you get one?

[@MartinHannett_]

I hope everyone realises the UK TRD is nothing more than a body kit and some other tart parts, plus a nice exhaust. For the same money you could buy so many more TRD parts for a non-TRD-edition GT86...and focus on stuff that will affect performance like carbon upper strut brace and under brace set.

[@retepyam5858]

I used to own an original MX5 BBR and upped the boost to 9 psi on stock internals, added bigger injectors and an Apexi NEO fuel management unit. Was totally reliable for the 5 years I owned it and sold it to a local racer who reckons it was pushing 200BHP + totally bullet proof car and those engines love to be turboed as I beleive they were derived from the old 323 turbo rally car.

[@Andychengg]

the gt 86 is meant for owners to tweak and modify. why get a 86 when youre gonna drive it stock

[@Thesaviorsway]

In USA alot of 86 frs and brz are for sale. Young drivers can't learn stick but get a license at 15, get suspended license/tickets or crash and often have rebuilt titles as a result. So many for sale I avoid like the plague. Finding a clean title or unmodified sample will be very difficult.

[@ravenstylea2]

Not a fair comparison. The miata was fully worked and turbo'd.

[@FastRedPonyCar]

Then Toyota need to drop the price on their car.

[@Ottaro]

FastRedPonyCar Around here the base FRS is 28170$ vs the base MX-5's 29250$. So I agree with ravenstylea2, it wasn't a fair comparison.

[@MrMikeDao]

An extra 70hp and upgraded suspension, in addition to the TRD package for the GT86 will only tie with the Miata in lap times, but in price; it's a whole different story. If you don't believe me about the lap times then you can go to a local track and ask around. Don't become too much of a fan of the GT86, the Miata is a well-respected driver's car.

[@Rhythmeister]

It was a comparison of two FR sports cars for essentially the same money, what's unfair about that?

[@doctorscoot]

Liam O'Flaherty one comes with a factory warranty

[@rogermsimon]

Try the 270hp fenspeed turbo gt86 for about £K35

[@moaski]

A pointless comparison... why compare a factory N/A car with an aftermarket modified turbo charged car? Compare a factory car with a factory car, or an aftermarket tuned car with an aftermarket tuned car, but don't nonsensically mix and match the two.

[@_odaxelagnia]

You forgot one important thing - they cost about the same. And this video is kinda the end of epidemic fapping on gt86

[@moaski]

The issue of cost still makes no sense. Of course the Miata is going to cost less to modify. It's been racing around for decades in basically the same form. Meanwhile, the BRZ/GT86 are relatively new, so the cost for research and development of aftermarket parts is going to be greater.

[@spazda_mx5]

moaski The current MX-5 is a completely new car and shares little if anything with the Mk1 and 2. Also it is a comparison between two modified aftermarket cars, its just that one spent the cash on very expensive body mods and the other one spent it on the engine.

[@moaski]

Again, the third gen Miata has been around since 2005, nearly a decade unchanged. A fair and logical comparison would be a Mazdaspeed Miata v. this TRD GT86... two in-house parts suppliers.

[@spazda_mx5]

Is there such a thing as a Mazdaspeed MX-5? If it's the same price as the GT86 with no extra power it'll be a waste of money too. Problem here (in the UK) is that the GT86 is too expensive and the TRD one especially is a lot of money for not much. You'd have to be mental to buy one here when you could get a 135i for similar cash.

[@testing316]

Hope you guys can include tire sizes on each car next time? Thx for the video

[@matusknives]

Cool video, though I must admit that I expected more than 2 seconds of a difference. Should that be a tribute to the GT with proper tires, of rather a less than ideal tuning of the Mazda (which should not be the case) - or is there a 3rd option?

[@AbdullahArRafi]

The Mazda with a 270+ HP beats a GT86 TRD with a difference of just 2 secs! C'mon guyz, If you bring the Supercharged 86, it'll be better performing than the Miata...

[@john914]

The MX5 is a Tuner car, the 86TRD is stock. Why didn't you get a Tuner 86? Invalid comparison!

[@kikongmalikot]

so the comparison here is mainly on the price and not the upgrades put into the car?

[@montes513]

Those timed laps didn't seem too tidy, but great video nonetheless.

[@SungSamuel1003]

Similar price.. plus thats tire noise is the tyres, not turbo

[@SkarnDeBrax]

I'm curious about stock fighting of these two

[@SkarnDeBrax]

hehe, Yep, I understand, thanks ;-).

[@anthonylozach7457]

An HKS Gt86 270 hp will smoke that mx5.... And for the same price....

[@memphis407]

Iconic really, Only the Miata has earned that status given its been kicking ass since 89. the gt86/frs/brz are new and have not proved they can stand the test of time.

[@rikyromei]

What a hell of a comparison is this Meaden? You should compare apples with apples. Give a call to Litchfield and compare with their GT (so just to stay in UK).

[@tacos4u632]

this is bs and so not fair, and the frs STILL imo woops the miatas ass because this... -FRS mods wheels -Miata mods wheels turbo exhaust dampers springs WAY more hp and still only wins by about 2 seconds lol

[@MrMikeDao]

It is evident that you are completely unexperienced. I will copy and paste my reply of a previous comment: "An extra 70hp and upgraded suspension, in addition to the TRD package for the GT86 will only tie with the Miata in lap times, but in price; it's a whole different story. If you don't believe me about the lap times then you can go to a local track and ask around. Don't become too much of a fan of the GT86, the Miata is a well-respected driver's car. " Plus, 2 seconds in a track course will put you 3-5 cars behind--it's a big difference. You can conclude that the FRS is just an overpriced sports car. You're paying more for looks.

[@blackfireball5]

Michael Dao I'm picking up my Turbo FRS complete with a full suspension making 291 hp. I paid 26k for it. It has 6k miles. That would be a fair comparison IMO.

[@EnabledShooter]

Michael Dao that's what your experience tells you? The Mazda was heavily modified with 71 more horsepower. If you added 71 hp and modified the suspension on the GT86, I suspect it would turn much faster lap times than the Mazda. The Toyota comes stock with 200 hp. That modified MX-5 had 271 hp. 71 hp down the straightaway alone, would make up two seconds easily. Let's test a stock MX-5 (167 hp) against a stock GT86. I'm not saying that the Mazda is a bad car. In fact, if I were going to choose one to modify for racing, there wouldn't even be a choice. The Mazda has been around for a long time and has been raced and developed extensively.

[@Rhythmeister]

Michael Dao you're really paying for a completely redesigned car from the ground up AND the comfort factor. For the power it puts out I think it's a splendid driver's car. If you want sheer grunt and massive grip it's Impreza time!

[@MrMikeDao]

blackfireball5 - Yes, that would be a very nice deal to have, but new is definitely not. EnabledShooter - You're also forgetting that the Miata weighs 300lbs less, which in terms spiritually makes an additional 30-50hp. So, if the GT86 makes an additional 70hp with upgraded suspension, it would be pretty much on par with the Miata. Liam O'Flaherty - Haha, yes, massive grip and tight cornering abilities is a feel like no other!

[@MegaChad29]

Hopefully people understand when you start adding more power to the 86 you need to spend more money on all the other parts of the car to bring it back into balance. Just buy the base model, enjoy it for what it is, and you'll be laughing at the end of the day and saving all this money on tires, fuel, and maintenance. The money people spend on tuning their 86 is crazy! They could have bought an STI or V8.

[@viices]

Is there really a difference between the Toyota GT86; Scion FR-S; and the Subraru BRZ

[@winglessang31]

Why compare laps of a stock 86 vs a turbocharged Miata with more power that also weighs less?

[@longrifle98]

This comparo is a joke right? They went and essentially got a dealership souped up GT86 and compared it with a NON-OEM aftermarket tuned car.

[@VTECheart]

I'm an EVO subscriber but I've never understood the downer they have on the Toyota. Jeremy Clarkson, Steve Sutcliffe, Chris Harris... they all love the car. Is it because EVO has too much of a focus on lap times over on-the-road enjoyment?

[@jezwah]

Given that this race track had such a long straight, it is obvious where the Mazda pulled the 2 second advantage. If it were a consistently twisty track we possibly would have seen even times or even the chance of the Toyota taking the win.

[@Hmonglauj89]

frs is a band wagon. miatas have a spec racing class for a reason. both great cars at the base price.

[@Pickle312]

I wish we had the TRD as a package here in the states :P

[@mrmysteriotx]

Hey Mazda, you should really be paying attention to this video. This is proper Zoom Zoom!

[@williamchick9312]

Imagine the spit on the steering wheels after this guy reviews em

[@starlet88sg]

he is comparing with a modified turbo charge Mazda to a TRD 86!

[@HandsomeAlex25]

Britian, you really have the short end of the stick with the GT86. In Canada, the list is right around 25,000 CAD. And I could select the wheels and tyres for easily for 2000. You should be disappointed that you can't get such a great car for a reasonable price, as you all are. Also, evo really bashes on the engine, but I don't think it's bad at all. It's a rev-machine, and although I haven't driven McLarens and Mercedes AMGs and all that, I think it's a fantastic, enthusiastic engine. And honestly, you don't need to me sideways all the time to enjoy rear-wheel drive.

[@lynnmckenney1987]

na 4 cyl vs turbo 4 cyl? Why not a crawford turbo kit on the gt86?

[@topwrapzltd]

id take the mazda ANYday of the the gt86... what an awesome package BBR have put together their!! That would suprise afew car on the street!! very cool!

[@Bigmaxy03]

A more valid comparison and interesting comparison would have been with the Fensport 86 that is running the AVO Turbo kit. apples to apples.

[@brandonandjen9812]

In the states TRD makes a supercharger for there iforce V8 that makes 550hp. I was hoping they would have somthing like it for the 86 buy now.

[@brandonandjen9812]

In the states TRD makes a supercharger for there iforce V8 that makes 550hp. I was hoping they would have somthing like it for the 86 buy now.

[@iantownsend5480]

What's he on about they do a turned version of the GT86, it cost 8 grand extra I believe & it had 250 bhp 0-62 in .5.5 & did a 170 mph yes please

[@hunghuge7717]

Why is there still no forced induction or larger capacity factory 86? Even if it had 200lb for it's 200hp it would be way better. Really though at £33k it's getting close enough to Boxster money to make you think about putting the extra. The BBr wouldn't even be in it for me. A tuner car hasn't got anywhere near the warranty back up and is far more likely to go bang. Then you come to sell it and it's worth hardly any more than a standard MX-5. When you think of the hot hatches you could have for that money and the change left over both of these are a hard sell. Then there are cars like the 135i, etc. These are kids toys asking proper car money.

[@g00neybird12]

I expected the lap time gap to be larger.

[@irulEsong]

FRS is under powered but it doesnt cost $43k. Its more of a looks and drifting car than a performance car. The MX-5 may be faster on the track when tuned but it doesnt make the sound or handling as the FRS. Even if you can control the MX-5 more.

[@stinkbra]

Its an interesting video but dont confuse "the comparison between these OPTIONED models" VS "the comparison between an mx5 and gt86 with equal money spent specifically on performance" The TRD option, performance-wise is essentially a set of tires (its basically a gimmick to get cash out of people... youre paying for a body kit) The BBR option is money 100% spent on performance the video shouldnt shape your view on the two basic cars at all

[@lapamful]

This is a fair comparison on price. Sure the 86 might be better if you get a similar power to the Miata. But how much is that going to cost? And how much would it cost if you want to give the 86 some proper power (say 500bhp) which may require an engine swap and/or new gearbox, brakes (unless I'm very much mistaken). You're probably talking 20 grands worth of upgrades, easy. Then the 86 is on a par with a BMW M2, Porsche 718, Audi TT RS. Would the 86 be able to take on those cars with 500hp? The point goes back to what the reviewer said. Stock, the 86 is a little on the expensive side. Even though I love it to bits, I have to agree.

[@DepakoteMeister]

Imaging how much quicker the MX-5 would be with properly sorted suspension to dial out the oversteer.

[@Compass69]

Does anyone know why the toyota gt86 scion frs and subaru brz are all built and look the same

[@rcom34583]

And the Mazda is the old one, just wait for the 2016 mx5, its a lot more beautifull, precise, that toyota is overpriced, Mazda all the way

[@jvmbatista]

Pointless comparison...

[@jvmbatista]

alfamonk A tuned gt86(not that TRD nonsense) probably costs the same and will be better that the tuned mx5.

[@GuyHaimovitch]

The comparison is around price and driving fun, the MX-5 wins both.

[@supernova4300]

Rims on the Mazda look sweet 😍

[@RussellRobinson77]

also considering the MX5 has been tuned, thats not a bad time for a stock brz/86 with new tires

[@BroVCam]

Toyota/Scion needs to slap a turbo upping to 70-80 more hp along with the TRD dressings and they wouldn't be able to keep them on the lot. It would sell like beer at Hooters/Twin-Peaks!!!

[@mattah]

What's that watch? Looks a bit like a Heuer Autavia?

[@iBOOM]

What's about the TRD brakes? In Germany you can opt the gt-86 with a 10.000 € TRD brake. Is this option also on this car?

[@bosty1337]

This man can drive for sure lol! BEAST!

[@jj_mccarron]

The rims on the GT 86 are fugly.

[@oscartapiero4563]

What about a TRD 86 with a tubocharger bolted on with about 300hp

[@mrjdgibbs]

What about a Flyin Miata v8 conversion? it's about bang for your buck.

[@mrjdgibbs]

GeForce GT I don't know about smoking it, but I don't know that it matters either. If I remember they're comparing turn key new car solutions here. And at some point it's just about preference.

[@Vracer111]

Interesting review to watch...of course it was a forgone conclusion that a more powerful and lighter sports car with otherwise about equal handling capability would be the faster one. It would be far more interesting to see this redone but for the GT86 using the TRD Griffon... which still has a normally aspirated factory FA20 motor with a little bump in HP but in an extremely stripped down and focused track day car (to the tune of 600lbs weight reduction.) Review would be just as relevant as the original (not that much relevant between the two cars) but way more entertaining... The BBR Turbo miata would still have a 40+hp advantage, but It would be many seconds slower due to having a sizeable weight and suspension/traction disadvantage...(which is where the entertaining part comes in - how many more seconds slower?) I wouldn't mind having a miata one bit if I could properly fit in one. Car enthusiasts are lucky to have two nice low cost sports cars available to choose from (stock), you really can't go wrong with either. I went with the GT86 (FRS) over the Miata because of fit, I like coupes over convertibles, and styling.

[@spenceriow]

2 seconds is like 2 years in motorsport so yes it is a massive difference. I would liked to have at least seen a nice exhaust from trd on the toyota a variable valve type would have at least given the car a meatier growl

[@jackfairless9395]

Baha over priced? maybe in the uk. In Australia the gt86 base model drive away is about 34k. My dad works for toyota so I picked up the GTS for 33k. Even putting another 6k into a super charger keeps it under 40k and the setup is more than capable of handling the extra horses. The mx5 also looks like shit compared to the 86. Only a mazda fan boy could argue that it is the better car.

[@Corollakongen]

I Guess this would be better to og up against fensports GT86 the street Version black one...

[@olmokobie4471]

72 more horses and a complte overhoulin,almost a track racing car!and only 2 second less....men!!! the other car is stock and almost beat it.,imagine it with the same upgrades ...that men is blind or own a crapy miata.

[@prizzom]

Why is there so much over steer?

[@axised001]

whats that whistling exthaus sound from tobaru?

[@zachridgway7416]

Are there bolt on turbo or supercharger kits available for the GT86/BRZ cars yet? Whipple should definitely make a supercharger kit for them, that'd be a perfect upgrade for those cars. (I always forget what the name of the Hyundai version is called...FRS¿...though I feel it's the nicest looking of the three)

[@nick4401]

lol thats scion

[@iSpotCars]

Is this at Silverstone? The Stowe Circuit?

[@HughS47]

Blyton park.

[@boi1996]

What does the trd do to the gt86

[@nickvespamec93]

Try the Lichtfield edition of the gt86!!!

[@207Richy]

I don't get it, don't they realise one is modded with forced induction and the other is just a body kit. Wouldn't a modded gt86 be a better match.

[@N3rdburgring]

I love miatas but if you buy one new, you've made a HUGE mistake. You can buy a mint used one, maybe just a couple years old, for like half the price. Or you can just buy an na or nb for like 5k and spend the rest on upgrades

[@iantownsend5480]

I'd just buy a normal GT86 it doesn't need to tuned. People just understand this car it's meant to be fun you don't need tons of horse power

[@Jordan-ql8pv]

Why rely on TRD who never goes crazy with their packages?? the MX5 was sourced from a custom tuning company. There is a procharger kit that makes 290 RWHP on the GT86. Why not find a company thats including that with their package?

[@Gavin756]

power isn't everything.....

[@consumerproducts]

Price.

[@moaski]

consumerproducts Going by price doesn't make sense though. The Miata has been around for decades and has hundreds if not thousands of tuner companies to develop and supply aftermarket parts. The GT86/BRZ are relatively new to the marketplace, so obviously they don't have the cost-effective tuner parts availability.

[@spinners888]

Litchfield or ideally Fensport's efforts at the GT86/BRZ would have been a better comparison to the BBR MX5

[@wesmatthews4460]

Boosted MX5 vs TRD...Stock 86.. and the 86 was only about 2 sec slower..HMM I wonder how a Boosted 86 would've done.. :)

[@GreenPisces317]

Come on, the mx-5 has a turbo but the gt 86 has nothing, I think evo should test the fensport gt 86 turbo.

[@JkbFkn]

You can't compare these two.. Toyota is nearly stock

[@rubbinsracing]

A lighter tuner car with more power is always going to win on a stock heavier car. Try an 86 without the TRD crap and just a simple turbo/supercharger against the BBR. Similar money then....

[@gianhet]

Trying to make a fast lap with the gt86 kinda beats the purpose of the car. It is only meant go be incredibly fun, but the performances are not its goal..

[@Cafferssss]

Stupid comparison and calling a gt86 underpowered is literally missing the point of the gt86. It's a spiritual successor to the ae86 Corolla. Not a supra, not a muscle car. A brilliantly fun car to drive that can teach the driver the finer points of handling. This review almost felt like bbr gave someone a nice cheque to do a biased test.

[@afrajauritra8614]

not fair.The 86 was stock and the miata was turbo charged