Toyota RAV4 handles the moose test after an update

[@snipercoder9778]

Very good content. The fact that Toyota engineers responded to your testing is a good indication that you're doing a good job. Also, the fact that the engineer can hardly speak English shows that he came directly from the Japanese headquarter to address this issue.

[@guyb6665]

😂😂😂

[@PersonaN007Grata]

I love that Toyota stepped up and corrected the issue. Says a lot about a company.

[@sk-un5jq]

+1 The Senior Mgr of Vehicle Dynamics looked very ashamed and remorseful of his shoddy and dangerous VSC programming.

[@edsonmaleiane2618]

"Yes, only software change"... Is just so simple!

[@xypher2]

@@luisubtil why not? software is the simplest way to tweak handling dynamics for a modern car. if that fails, undercarriage components can be changed but it incurs higher development and certification costs.

[@muhammadhafizuddinyahaya4271]

Hahahah

[@edsonmaleiane2618]

@@luisubtil He is Japanese... And i trust Japanese technology!

[@alternateexpert7189]

I hope it works

[@augustusfukushima5979]

luisubtil you are racist. The guy is shy and not confident in English, not shady.

[@boppzoli]

Just a question: why don't you make and publish on youtube more moose tests??? 🙄

[@teknikensvarld]

A really good question. We would like to publish them here, I hope we will start doing so asap.

[@x-rayscott3409]

@@teknikensvarld Please do.

[@Mike-gz4xn]

Teknikens Värld do mid size trucks

[@Neon8787]

@@teknikensvarld Looking forward to seeing more of them!

[@RogerM88]

@@Neon8787 they seem to love testing Toyota cars. They even seemed disappointed when the Hilux passed the moose test.

[@Claro1993]

Not yet convinced, perform the same moose test on the upgraded rav4 without the rigs.

[@MCMLXXXVICCXII]

01:25 Toyota sent one of yakuza member to persuade those guyz Rav4 is better now. An offer that they can not refuse ;)

[@suleiman3811]

Saint Joseph lmao made my day

[@pme77713]

totally! it doesn't make any sense. Try the car without those things in the side

[@suleiman3811]

Maximiliano Pagliero it was a joke buddy

[@joshephand5538]

Haha😁😁😁

[@romascenko]

Yakuza dont send offers...

[@rx-heaven8934]

Without Teknikens Värld, there would be no one to push manufacturers to produce safer vehicles with better handling. Thank you for making the world a safer place.

[@seventhson3228]

Chief: what is the cheapest solution? Engineer: let's hit the brakes.

[@tarassu]

And also do not do it unless customer SPECIFICALLY begs you to DO IT.

[@terrabiker]

It was just a bad VSC programming in the first place....most of the stabilization control systems use brakes in 4x2 vehicles , so software update is logical approach , and I'm sure all cars would be marked for the update without even customers knowing about it during next maintenance schedule at a dealer or distributors will inform about a "recall" by post. I bought used Lexus IS250 and when i was asking the dealer or Toyota distributor about some other stuff they sent me a recall notice afterwards by post and later on they pointed out the recall when i asked them again about something else by email. Also I worked at a Renault dealership , we often fixed "yellow recall" stuff without even customers knowing about it. We had the parts on stock and when it came up we just replaced the parts.

[@chris2790]

@@terrabiker no, Toyota didn't bother telling customers they had a fix for the 19 rav shifting issues, even if customers complained about the problem early on. They never were even decent enough to acknowledge a problem, they just quietly made a fix available. You had to find out about the fix yourself, ask the dealer to apply it, but they insisted on reproducing the symptoms yet again before they would update the firmware. They're HORRIBLE. Mainly worried about covering their butts and stockholders. Customers come last with them.

[@klau88873]

Chris , scotty kilmer was right all along.

[@chris2790]

@@klau88873 must have missed that one...

[@sergioypw]

The Japanese guy was talking too much they had to cut him off. Really talkative guy

[@SgtoSousuke]

The anti-roll bars might weight the same as the doors, BUT, the farther they are from the rotation point of the vehicle (center of gravity), the more they will cause body roll. It is exactly the same effect as the distance of the center of gravity to the ground. Your anti-roll are about half meter farther outwards... So, props for Toyota for allowing such a modification.

[@cyclist3969]

I think they are props too, if the car modifications work, they would run the test without the outriggers. How does the mass of the outriggers work, think of a pole with weights on each end ( a dumbbell pole ) imagine twirling the dumbbell pole like a leader of a marching band, if the pole is long it will be slow to twirl, if the pole is short it will twirl rapidly. in the test that outrigger slows down the roll rate of the car during the swerve. I think the test is bogus and not representative of the normal characteristics of the car

[@Bruv-]

@@cyclist3969 True. A test is not a test if it doesn't have the exact same environment as the previous one. That's 101 of experimentation.

[@Mako2-1]

The thing that has changed is the vehicle’s roll inertia or it’s resistance to roll. If you push on the roof without the outriggers, the car will roll easier than with the outriggers. So if anything the stability is slightly improved here. In my personal opinion, i do not believe the stability was enhanced by the outriggers to a degree in which they prevented any wheel lift.

[@x-rayscott3409]

You sure were standing close to that moose test. No danger there. 🙄

[@TransformHypnosis]

Not one single poker face was broken during this entire video

[@Johnny_Utah242]

Sometimes i wonder how a moose would behave in a moose test.

[@sambasha747]

LOL.

[@haveaseatplease]

Just like a tank would, destroying everything in its path.

[@danielacolorado9933]

Definitely high enough for this comment.

[@jackrandom4893]

Answer: However it wants. Just make sure you get out of the way. Lol

[@ahmedmurad5552]

Now we're asking the true questions

[@payrocoin]

This video is complete and absolute proof of why you should never buy a vehicle in the first model years of a redesign. I'm waiting for the refresh to possibly buy a RAV4 Hybrid. I hope Toyota fixes the fuel tank issue by then too because I'd like to buy this car and keep it for at least 10 years. Thank you for such great information in an excellent video.

[@marcinstawczyk5377]

Well done guys fantastic you’re making presion on company to do better and better if we’re don’t see on your test we’re don’t believe and only we’re have left with trust well done 👍

[@sharkhark]

Never watched videos from you guys until your past RAV4 moose test and great work

[@javiloguaixaic]

Exemplar brand responsability. Must be a reference of customer compromise... Bravo Toyota

[@xSleeper.]

1:25 that dude on the left wtf

[@AozoraUltra2006]

Like_a_Sleeper punk rock dude

[@xSleeper.]

@@mrstarbuck9212 no shit big brain

[@Figenyx2]

😄 Nlo

[@mrspacley4001]

That's an anime character

[@firstchalice7126]

His freakin hair is hilarious🤣🤣

[@VioletGiraffe]

These weights are still somewhat of a cheat: they may not increase the vehicle's mass, but they increase its moment of inertia. So the vehicle becomes more stable vertically, the effect is akin to making the suspension harder. I don't think the effect is pronounced, but it certainly works towards helping the car pass the test.

[@H4g3N87]

Huh? Those anti roll rods (or whatever you might call them) will make the car more unstable, not less. The mass is added far from the center of mass, which adds a lot to instability.

[@teovm]

I would like to see the test with live people and doors.

[@-nightraider-1169]

It’s amazing how safe and well modern cars can handle!

[@Gefterws]

i realy they are worst then older cars, they relay to much on electronics, if electronics fail , cars fails! there is so much less mechanical grip in new cars, and compensate tehy need more computers

[@nathanielletourneau9952]

@@Gefterws I kinda have to disagree here. Take ABS for example. It's not like there's a purely mechanical version of ABS, it's a system that needs to be controlled electronically. If it fails then it just stops working. It's not the big manufacturers are sitting there putting shitty electronics in cars to fuck us over, cars are objectively safer now than they were before. Saying "but the safety electronics can fail" means jack shit, mechanical safety can and do fail too.

[@ra_redesignautomobiles]

Its not only on Software, but the wideness, height and heaviness of any vehicles. If you suv is wide and heavy it is likely to never roll because of balance of both sides, but since because cars are made lighter because of fuel economy, they are susceptible to any rollovers. Suvs, Pickups and other high ground vehicles can rollover as well even equipped with a safety feature if facing emergency conditions while in Adrenaline rush

[@Rickyc12s]

As a Rav4 Hybrid owner in Australia there really is no point in getting this done. I assume the VSC changes negatively other aspects of the car, but out here 99% of the time on the road you're hitting 50-100kg kangaroos, they'll fuck up ya car but you walk away fine, swerving is actually much more dangerous.

[@ak47kalashnikovak47]

Kind of but not really. It also mimics what 'inexperienced' (which also includes experienced drivers who quite simply, don't know how to drive safely) do in some situations when they swerve to avoid any kind of hazard on the road. Interesting though as you're 'regional enough' to experience kangaroos (although I'm 30km out of Brisbane and get them here despite being a mix of residental and rural residential) but don't recognise the damage a cow will do to a vehicle (and it's occupants), if hit a moderate speed (cows are quite good at getting out/finding breaches in fencing). As you know, we have a lot of cows here ;)

[@SailFanatics]

Can you clarify what update an owner needs to request at the Toyota dealer? Would it be an update to the VSC system or something broader, or a different descriptor? Thanks

[@chris2790]

Look up the service bulletin number online and ask the dealer to apply the fix.

[@markthompson5803]

@@chris2790 According to the toyota app, there is no bulletins or updates. How do I know if it's been done?

[@chris2790]

@@markthompson5803 Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't these guys say Toyota hasn't made it available yet? It's coming in March or something like that? I don't know about using the app for finding stuff. I found out about the TSB for the transmission issue software update online.

[@johnsmith-gt3po]

He said you have to ask Toyota dealership for it.

[@leifgunnartoth8070]

"Second quarter" means between April first, and June 30th. Just head into your local Toyota Dealership, and ask for the VSC update for the RAV4, just like they said in the video.

[@pangrac1]

Big plus to Toyota engineers to make car better and safer. That the way to do it. 👍

[@adzthomasmith]

This is great news! Do you have any idea what the code or reference number for the update will be? It would be good to know so that owners can be sure that they are requesting the right update and to check that it’s been done properly.

[@elnino1759]

Toyota and moose test are the greatest rivalry in automotive industries

[@RogerM88]

These dudes seems to love testing Toyotas. They even seemed disappointed when the Hilux passed the moose test.

[@4nciite]

I'm sure when they saw the Hilux do poorly in the Roof Crush test they weren't disappointed lol 💩

[@RogerM88]

@@4nciite got 2 Hilux, and they're solid workhorses. If you want to drive quick in the roads...buy a car! Simple.

[@heungraegak988]

I am not convinced. Why is your moose test this time so short and simple even went to Spain for the test? Your original moose test last year was so thorough and complete.

[@bayuanandavi345]

Host: "What do you feel about your car?" Technical Sr. Manager: "Its better now"

[@GETSUZUGA7ZX]

I wish my life was too

[@IvanToman]

Sounds like tapebonding a broken construction. There is an underlying physics reason why vehicle reacts nervously, and covering that with software is just a way to hide it.

[@chrisr6142]

Yeah, it's not a fucking McLaren. It's a bit top heavy with a mushy suspension. Not that difficult, genius.

[@neomis0119]

hopefully the highlander was updated also, that thing flipped if you sneezed on it, the lady I worked with got a new one and within a week she flipped it taking a sharp turn at 35mph, just driving to work, she argued with her husband she didn't want it after that, said she wasn't even going fast.

[@TC-dp2qk]

Now, do the test on icy road.

[@subazealand9158]

Is it going to be a recall them? As I understand it's a safety fix, rather than just "better technology". What does Toyota think about this?

[@woohunter1]

Good question, I would like to know also.

[@afcgeo882]

It wasn’t a safety requirement, so not a recall.

[@daniyartabaldyev7406]

And also looking at how they are not going to make the patch a default thing, I would guess that there is a tradeoff of some kind. I.e. If you want your rav to pass the test, they can do it for you, but it might compromise something else, like comfort, for instance. IMHO.

[@afcgeo882]

Daniyar Tabaldyev It IS default. ALL Rav4s from 2020 model on get the patch.

[@debendragurung3033]

Moose test is not a safety requirement. It's just this guy being obsessed about the moose. That's all.

[@kerim1204]

I understand toyota doesent make this update for all their rav4. In Denmark we sont have moose that suddenly appear on the road so what is the point of having the "moose update"

[@Jgjkglggkjbo9xq9ol9r]

That Japanese engineer cannot breathe. It seems he was gonna lose his job or maybe he lost his job already. Thanks Sweden for this necessary and amazing test.

[@HGChannel2020]

It looked like it changes direction very well

[@IvanRossS]

Hope everyone will get that software upgrade!!

[@reallauradee]

"Yes, only software change." Yet they won't give the 2019 Rav4 Android Auto.

[@mickly1234]

Android Auto suck, get an iphone.

[@verliebt3465]

You should test the car as it is being sold, not with extra bits glued on that aren't road legal.

[@MysteriousSteve1234]

Do the outriggers effect the moment of inertia in any significant way? I have a feeling that would change the vehicle's roll characteristics a decent bit

[@H4g3N87]

If anything, it will make the car more unstable, so it's in Toyota's favor if it passes with them on.

[@MysteriousSteve1234]

@@H4g3N87 Are you sure? I would have thought it would have made the car react slower, making it easier for the Stability Control to react.

[@H4g3N87]

@@MysteriousSteve1234 The rods sticking out will act as a barbell weight, as the weight is far away from the center of mass. Just imagine what would happen if you extended the rods, say 10 meters/yards in both directions. It would likely tip over with even the smallest steering input at high speeds (that is if you ignore that the bars themselves will keep the car upright, but that's not the point). Also adding to that, the original problem the Rav4 had was tipping over, with the inner back wheels easily losing touch with the ground when turning hard. PS: I'm not an English native speaker, so I might not make much sense when trying to translate physical principles, sorry!

[@MysteriousSteve1234]

@@H4g3N87 I understand what you're getting at but I think your understanding is backwards. The farther you move mass from the center of gravity, decreasing the moment of inertia, the slower the the object will roll with a given force. Think of a tightrope walker holding a pole, it gives them more time to react making it easier for them to correct.

[@H4g3N87]

@@MysteriousSteve1234 Yes, but the reason you can balance better with a balancing rod, is that you can act against its inertia with your hands, effectively leaning against it (for short periods of time), but when it's fixed in place like in this car it works against the stability of the car. Although the moose manouver is two very short, opposite turns, so you might be right.

[@fpvillegas9084]

I wonder if average drivers would be able to pass a moose test. They should make use of ordinary drivers, not expert test drivers. Just saying.

[@H4g3N87]

That wouldn't be feasible if you want to compare cars. You'll need an experienced driver to get results that are comparable between cars, since you'll need to do the same manouver every time. In other words, they're testing the cars, not a random driver.

[@ilovebohol]

@@H4g3N87 the op is saying... whats the point of a test if normal people who will be driving these cars cant perform such maneuvers...besides, if a driver can't see a moose... we have more worst problems. This test is like testing a passenger airplane if i can do a barrel roll. Also, their maneuvers are wrong, you need to hit brakes first prior to many drastic maneuvers, these guys yank the steering wheel... like they want to find faults just for finding faults.

[@styx85]

The moose test is actually part of the driver training in Norway, probably in Sweden as well. You have to be able to do a maneuver like this to get your license.

[@H4g3N87]

@@styx85 Since when? I did not have a 'moose test' when training. Dodging mannequins in slippery conditions, yes, but no specific moose test.

[@H4g3N87]

@@ilovebohol They yank the steering wheel because that's what a lot of people will do, because in a lot of situations you don't have time to slow down and you have to yank the wheel, because yanking the wheel is orders of magnitude more preferable then lobbing a 700kg moose through your windscreen. You never do tests like these with optimal conditions, that would defeat their purpose.

[@Jovansam]

Thanks for the great work! I am looking to buy this car and will definitely ask for this update!

[@ramzyzoom6674]

We are not stupid to believe that simply changing the program makes the car safer to maneuver. It relates to the suspension structure and construction rules.

[@gregorhorvat80]

I have a feeling that if I needed to do the moose test I would just drive straight ahead

[@thebigmacd]

Extremely high risk of death. Hitting a moose is not like hitting a deer. The body will crush you through the windshield.

[@jamn2boost]

My upgrade came in this week!!! Love it!

[@Deuteross]

Good job, Teknikens Varld! Keep the pressure on lazy automakers!

[@S-z-y-m-o-n]

I respect the Japanese for taking it seriously!

[@ideadlift20kg83]

LMAO, dude they have released 3 generations with the same problem. The new RAV4 failed it even harder. They do not take it seriously.

[@robertktw]

note to self: new weekend project, get duct tape and anti-rollover kit.

[@TCDF22]

but what does consumer reports have to say? they are really good at these tests, just let them know what results you want and they will keep testing till they get it

[@9up9up9up]

Question: why didn't Toyota perform any moose test during development?

[@buellterrier3596]

Because it wasn’t really a required test to pass to sell a car in global markets. Only few American cars pass this test.

[@9up9up9up]

@@buellterrier3596 Mazda have been doing well in moose tests.

[@buellterrier3596]

@@9up9up9up That's good, when more Japanese companies like Mazda do well, it will be good for a lot of people.

[@afcgeo882]

The “moose” test is done by a Swedish car magazine. No government conducts it.

[@wl2486]

Do you know if there is generally a difference between ESP tuning in the European market versus the North American market? Should Americans watching this video expect the same models sold at our dealerships to perform similarly?

[@jassi123jassi]

fantastic job ..you have kept the giants on their toes....

[@kalle8836]

the aluminum outriggers are putting weight farther out then what the doors would do so I'm pretty sure what he said is bs, also I would imagine wind picks up on those outriggers not a lot but some and helps it brake when he removes his foot from the gas

[@Desmodromic916]

I was couple of times in situation I had to avoid something in the road but never did maneuvers you performing in these tests. I dont think your tests are pointless but its dangerous, especially if you are not ready and not planning to do so in real driving. If I were you, I would make additional test to see what is the maximum corner speed for the vehicle tested. Love your videos, you are few remaining professional journalist left on the planet.

[@officealireza9097]

The update you need is to buy a Subaru.

[@Desmodromic916]

@@officealireza9097 Why?

[@barackblows1942]

@@officealireza9097 And some spare head gaskets.💩

[@Emotionengne]

At 1:26 if the dude on the far left designed this car I’m buying one!

[@tkmj8841]

Just do a moost test of different kinds of cars and boom *views*

[@borgirlol]

So you are telling me, I should go to my dealer and tell him, "I want software upgrade that fixes the Moose test ?" Srsly ?

[@H4g3N87]

If you live in a country with lots of moose, then yes, they'll probably know what you'll mean.

[@jeez3k]

Softwear update for free?

[@teknikensvarld]

For free, of course.

[@user-sz6hk1nv3o]

How do we know if the ones there selling you have this update already. Is it going to be included in all Rav4 from now on

[@MrRohanThomas]

@@user-sz6hk1nv3o Might have a recall certificate/document

[@rondhole]

One of the things that so minor, software update is enough. Impressive. Usually Toyota will release a campaign that cover everyone not just any car under warranty.

[@OlegShevtsov512]

Has anyone received this update? What's the version?

[@AgentSmith911]

Are you guys gonna test Tesla?

[@Matthew_M11]

A Tesla is so friggin heavy at the bottom I assume it'd pass.

[@monsieurb90]

Agent Smith A Spanish institute tested the Model 3, it performed excellent! Video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/joOmiHV8iLamppY

[@1lifeonearth]

teslas are the safest car on the planet, they never roll either. extremely low center of gravity because of the battery floor.

[@bondiscrapper1781]

I've driven a lot of Toyotas where the ESP intervenes way too early in normal driving and it's annoying. It's not an update I'd ask for.

[@iron-farmer]

a 2001 silverado and 1999 gmc jimmy also pass this test. ask us how we know lol

[@macvos]

The engineer has a nice Kimi Räikkönen vibe

[@narothbo4773]

because of suspension, just change the harder customize one, and it will be fine.

[@joshpit2003]

So... Why aren't they putting this "update" into production? The fact that it's "by request only" tells me there must be some negative effect of this software modification. Otherwise why not make it standard (as in: Put into production without a customer having to request it)

[@brokenSnake]

I can't imagine how many engineers were fired at Toyota for this

[@hakunamatata289]

1:25 the friendly looking gentleman on the left came straight from the shadow roalm...

[@destinhoward7378]

Hakuna Matata 😭😭

[@peterjamieson2441]

2 persons speaking English as second language...priceless

[@jonasthemovie]

What is your second language?

[@Mr-MRR]

Can you please test the Ssangyong Tivoli and Korando from 2019-2020?

[@cyronader]

do those aluminum weights come standard?

[@qasimalsaidi]

Buying the first year of a new gen is risky. I remember the same problem happened with Hilux. Toyota fixed that for Europe only!!! Anyway, the following years Hilux was better. So don't buy first year of any gen and wait. P. S. What about the torque vectoring system issue?

[@valdius85]

Is there any issue with this system?

[@qasimalsaidi]

@@valdius85 nothing serious until now but it was reported that the models equipped with this system have weird noise.

[@valdius85]

@@qasimalsaidithank you for info. it makes me wonder how expensive the maintenance will be on that system. I want second hand car in few years and RAV4 is somehow interesting, although worse for me than minivans. I like the off-road capability as all my road trips involve some sort of traction challenge. I think I'll just invest in good tires and a set of these plastic plates people use for off-road (forgot the name in English). There are AWD minivans in Japan but they're obviously basic ones.

[@qasimalsaidi]

@@valdius85 It's a good car overall. Good luck.

[@valdius85]

@Paul S Yeah, it is a big success. Europeans and Japanese heard of a moos test though...

[@dustinp1113]

If I just bought a new 21, I would have the updated version I’d assume. Right? 😩

[@AlexKall]

Ni gör ett bra jobb och ni tycks verkligen ha, tillverkarnas öron 👌 har v90 testats, hittar inget eller är det bara de som inte klarar det son visas på KZbin?

[@rohit3251]

That’s why we all need OTG software updates being pushed by manufacturers

[@HForceClan]

If its not becoming a standard in the software, what is the cons of upgrading that they haven't told us? If there were only pros and it's as simple as software they would just implement it.

[@v_n_bot]

Suggest to try one more time in Sweden with a different vehicle ...

[@healthyamerican]

does this mean each rav4 will have to go through a software upgrade? or will they make this adjustment at the factory for all models henceforth?

[@akuapiatas]

they took the doors off which will change the dynamics

[@bens1221sop]

Ask for what update? Spell out the technical term please.

[@Corkfish1]

Are you saying the handling characteristics of a 2020 model is different than a 2019?

[@rasch19785]

Their moose test isn't the same as the VDA lane change test.. Great for clicks though.. , what is the friction coefficient of the test surface?

[@danielwall1871]

I read your atricle and watched the video but there isn't anything indicating a software update version? How will I know if I'm running the fixed version of the VSC software? I'm going to be buying a new 2021 RAV4 and I'm guessing when I ask the salesman about this he'll say, "...no need to worry, it's running the updated version of the VSC software." How can I verify this? Thanks!

[@shan33612]

Unfortunately, Rav4s on the market still uses the old system...

[@illduitmyself]

Fortunately, Rav4s on the market still uses the old system...

[@inspectorchicken]

As stated in the video, it is a software update, available for all RAV4's of the shown generation.

[@tails300]

Unkle Fritz unfortunately you guys incorrectly typed that sentence twice…😑

[@GiGaChadAF]

Can you test Indian spec cars, would love to see some wagonrRs roll over. In all seriousness it would be a great help to us, automobile market is big here.

[@lamontcranston2568]

no, they rollover instantly, when they leave the factory.

[@ExpeditionaryRanger]

Hybrids are notoriously poor in this test due to battery weight. Assuming the gas Rav4 would do much better. Can you confirm?

[@megacap55]

but have considered that is the hybrid version which has an addded weight by the battery pack and the additional AC /DC wiring inside?

[@afcgeo882]

Francisco Gallardo That IS the hybrid.

[@MegaBrianBoru]

How would you know if you have the update on a new 2021 Rav 4 ?

[@mazingguitar]

Id like to see moose test of some Renault with 4control system..

[@deepestlover]

Can I update my 2019 Rav4??

[@inspectorchicken]

The answer is in the video.

[@onenikkione]

nope, sell it and buy a new one

[@herbyoung2767]

You're screwed

[@aquarius-lp7ty]

Just plug the car to the computer to update lol !

[@XellosMetallium]

I’m confused. So 2020 RAV4 come with the tweak or we have to ask for it?

[@sdborn8667]

Aluminum construction will be included in standard trim?

[@paultorrevillas1944]

What about the hilux? Did they made any updates? Last time is performs really bad, it nearly tipped over.

[@1lifeonearth]

the weight distribution is totally different with those outriggers, rendering this test totally useless.

[@potato31415]

r/woooosh

[@samjohns662]

Where can I download the software update from? My dealer doesn't even know that there is an update.

[@faustin289]

A software solution to a hardware problem. Here MCAS we go again!

[@Maibes]

what trim did they use? would these results be affected by the dynamic torque vectoring feature?

[@gabrielsirialevario3505]

Acá en mi país nunca llegará esa actualización de software, que me dirías tu, es o no recomendable comprar una rav 4 2020?

[@thivakarsaravanamuthu4744]

It's fixed bois