Toyota REJECTS Trade In's Of Their Own Vehicles With BAD ENGINES

[@theplayernkc]

Has Toyota even said how they are going to fix this issue? Is it going to be a new engine or a short block replacement? If it was me, I would want a complete new engine as that debris could still be in the used parts, more so for an engine that has already blown the main bearings.

[@ECPP]

I agree, it should be a complete crate unit, but insider info tells me likely only going to be a short block and maybe oil pump and the field will have to assemble. See even the qualifications will differ and quality may be inconsistent. Not a great idea, IMHO

[@davinlaroche3029]

As an engine builder myself, I wouldn't accept anything but a long-block replacement... unless the dealer is taking the vehicle from my hands when the recall is performed. Whatever debris is floating around in the block can absolutely make it to the heads, and in the event that that happens, you'll be on the hook (and so will your truck 😄) for that repair, which is as costly as the short-block.

[@Imjustacarguy]

Toyota made a huge mistake by getting rid of the 5.7L V8.

[@ECPP]

I agree they could have tuned economy in or even added some hybrid and had a huge winner

[@tomwujek4867]

@@ECPP Exactly. Or they could have offered the 10 speed transmission which would have helped over the former 6 speed. Another option would be to adjust the axle ratios which could also help.

[@acizko92]

We can thank the Biden administration for that. EPA regulations destroy everyone.

[@mikefoehr235]

​​@@tomwujek4867the 4.30 is made for torque but does bite into fuel economy

[@koskara1314]

It was the dumb people crying for the environment and emissions. Sadly. Vote stupid get stupid.

[@stuartfisher1640]

And all my life I thought I would never see this happen to Toyota

[@ECPP]

Same here. American made.

[@oligarchy-usa]

My new 2020 TNGA Toyota Corolla SE sedan 6-MT (built in late 2019 in Japan) was the most problematic vehicle that have owned over 40+ years & 11 different new vehicles. They aren't the company they used to be. I ditched it after only 2 years & 10K miles due to all the problems & headaches.

[@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD]

​@dystopia-usa what happened to your corolla?

[@oligarchy-usa]

@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD Failed push-button starter, transmission shifter problem/defect, never-ending electrical system/sensor gremlins & various battery failure issues, paint quality issue on the Super White painted plastic portions of vehicle, & a noisy cheaply-built cabin that developed a multitude of super-annoying chronic rattles, vibrations & such. I was left stranded across town on multiple occasions & had to be towed to a dealership. Can't say that I trust Toyota quality much these days after that experience. :( Pretty sad, considering that the 2015 Yaris SE hatch 5-MT (with older-school Toyota tech in it) that I owned before it for 4+ years (until someone smashed into it while texting) was a great experience (no problems).

[@freeman1463]

@@oligarchy-usaread this comment somewhere i don’t think was you, anyway thank you for sharing this information i have prius 2015 still strong,i was thinking to trade it in for corolla made in japan because at that time most dealership where i live had bunches of corolla japan made (2020,2021,2022,2023)and i read kinda comment somewhere i don’t remember the channel and then i doubt the cars and finally you hit the nail on my head bye bye corolla 😇😇🤝🤝men were men i have prius and rav4 both very low miles 50K let me keep em. I appreciate

[@melissasmess2773]

Old is gold, 96 Tacoma, 95 Chevy 5.7, 95 Dodge Cummins all solid trucks of mine. 😊👍🏻

[@ECPP]

Those are the best of the best

[@melissasmess2773]

@@ECPP thanks ☺️

[@John-ny6yy]

Happening to 24s too, more then just debris in motor.. Too much stress on main bearing sleeves.

[@slumy8195]

saw a few tacomas in socal this past year brand new atleast 2022+. All stranded on the road or towed. Toyota is now a brand that used to make quality vehicles a decade ago and relies on that reliability today to make cookie cutter new vehicles that wont last half of their old ones did.

[@littlestinker9716]

It's not just the sleeve bearings. Both end bearings are getting severely cooked and warping the block before the sleeves let go.

[@ECPP]

Wow, that’s not good and I would not be surprised if this recall gets expanded

[@Jayzilla-jr4fr]

The debris story is BS. It's a design flaw.

[@ECPP]

That is curious. I would like to hear more

[@cbgranger11]

Is it possible the "debris" is coming from a spun main or connecting rod bearing? Which would hint of some sort of design issue..

[@lo1234-w9r]

From a recent article "Toyota hypothesized that debris from the machining process" In other words they're not sure, a design error is possible. Toyota had crank bearing problems in their 3.5L with insufficient oil flow.

[@mackakiwinz4353]

Love the new outlay of your videos without the noisy intro of vehicle etc. Thank you for sharing your phenomenal knowledge. Car market is crashing here in New Zealand as people are trying to sell depreciating assets like vehicles, jetskis, boats etc as the debt they have racked up they finally realise is unsustainable.

[@ECPP]

Very welcome. I appreciate your feedback. You are totally right and we see that here too where people are dumping their toys and nice to have cars. Get back to basics.

[@luckyguy600]

Knock Knock? Who's there? Tundra. Tundra who? Tun-hundred dollars for your machine.

[@ECPP]

Haha indeed

[@mikefoehr235]

Uncle Rodney

[@Have.An.AmicoDay]

i thought it was just the engine knocking...

[@theschiznit8777]

There's no way a tech at a dealership can do the time consuming, complex recall that Toyota requires and successfully complete it without some errors or unintended damage.

[@ECPP]

For sure it is a precise task and takes significant time e to measure, mic, check tolerances, etc as you go.

[@JayMak1963]

they can but will lose financially as we are flat rate and wont make half of what the job pays

[@JayMak1963]

@jeanclaude7018 lol cabs stay on lift they wont be stored

[@JayMak1963]

@jeanclaude7018 really dont know how they would get the cab off lift and push chassis out? Im a toyota tech and we just leave them in

[@JayMak1963]

@jeanclaude7018 plus where would the cab go? outside on blocks? doubtful. maybe damage form the actual work fender covers etc? alot of guys pull front end off and pull engine from top. no mater what the job is labor intensive and very physical and tedious. physically it will wear one out . then lose $ on the job. no one wants to do it

[@josephkelleher8820]

Toyota now making bad engines. How the worm has turned.

[@ECPP]

The tide is shifting

[@donaldbanner2185]

Hmmmmmmm ? Worm?

[@johnb1658]

They are replacing them all under a recall. The big 3 would tell you to get bent it’s not their problem!

[@johnwhalen3191]

It's all under recall people.

[@daveshork2797]

turbo engines dont last

[@ECPP]

Not nearly as long as

[@tonydiesel3444]

997.3 - 220 runs perfect 03 7.3 - 250 runs perfect 06 Mercedes turbo diesel 800k no engine work

[@donaldbanner2185]

Heat caused by Extreme RPM's Turbos are bad and it is MUCH better to get power by adding 3 or 4 Elec motors & Batt....in addition to the ICE... If you are dumb and do get a Turbo type Euro or dog Koeran Genesis....change OIL every three K miles

[@John-yf4ie]

It's pretty bad when the Toyota Dealership doesn't want anything to do with a newTundra!!! Federal Government should force Toyota to buy back and of these vehicles for the purchase price!!! These vehicles are pure lemons!!!

[@ECPP]

100 percent agree. It’s disgusting how us consumers get screwed on all ends including crap quality on an overpriced heap.

[@MarkTurner-vs7uc]

Toyota went woke,and everything broke.

[@sammym.belfastchild]

Like your mind...

[@ECPP]

Cheers

[@carguy4243]

They rip you off when you trade in anyway. You have to sell it yourself or drive them till they go to the junkyard.

[@richardpatrick2915]

Scotty always sounded the alarm and they all think he was saying shit

[@ECPP]

Well it’s been an issue for a bit now too

[@mmo8988]

he always say shit

[@JM-gz1ej]

Being a long time Toyota fan I have to say, they made a callosal mistake by switching the 5.7 to smaller v6+turbos. If they are really serious about MPG, they can just make all the Tundras with lower trim levels and still keep the 5.7 with them. In other word, make them more as work trucks so average commuters are less likely to buy them. This is more environmentally responsible way of doing business w/o all the mandates let along those silly "technology innovations".

[@ECPP]

You are right, they had a great thing there

[@limulus61]

The naturally aspirated 4 cylinder engines they used to put into their cars was reliable for years and years of operation. Same for theirV8. Now, they’re putting turbos on everything. I considered an RX350 but those now have turbo 4 cylinder engines. I’m not paying >$60k for a turbo 4 in a heavy SUV. I bought an Acura MDX with a naturally aspirated V6. So far so good at 16k miles

[@melissasmess2773]

You bought a good vehicle but they're just not as good looking as a Lexus. Enjoy.

[@ECPP]

Great choice and luxury should have larger, torquey engines

[@luckyguy600]

Beauty dude! Buy a $100,000 dollar Tundra in Canada and nobody will buy it from you. lol

[@ECPP]

Exactly right. I literally know a pair of clowns, they were circus clowns, who each bought one of these new Tundras. The one actually thought he could buy it, drive it for 3 years and trade up for the next and lose almost nothing as he repeats this process from the past. Looks like the buck stops there.

[@koskara1314]

Same here down in the states. The 💩 is hitting the fan. Blame the dummies with emissions

[@Michael-fw5ef]

I owned a model year 2000 Toyota Corolla. At 192,000 km, it started burning oil. Found out the problem was worn piston ring springs. I will never buy Toyota again - why pay for 'quality' and only get poor quality in return?

[@ECPP]

That’s a great point. If it’s only perception and not reality, then….

[@bruceyung70]

True

[@AvengerAngel]

Did you change the oil every 5K? A 25 year old car with almost 200,000 miles that retailed for $13,000k. You should now buy a German car, or maybe a Stellantis product, or if you are a 'patriot' buy American... GM or Ford and then talk about quality and longevity.

[@williamnickel8132]

​@AvengerAngel I have a 2004 Dodge dakota with over 260,000 miles on it. It doesn't smoke, and no oil leaks.

[@williamnickel8132]

I changed the oil every 3,000 miles full synthetic oil.

[@upbeattvraw-hiphop8242]

Thanks for the report. Amazing the brand that was once known for bulletproof vehicles has now become tarnished.

[@ECPP]

Great point!

[@adribouss]

Thanks to emissions standards.

[@preeyakumari-i2q]

I like breathing clean air

[@mikefoehr235]

You said the 5.7 had some issues early on...and it did, but weak valve springs arent as bad as a failled main bearing or conrod bearing. The valve springs were addressed and that was it. Removing a cylinder head isnt nearly as bad as literally tearing the front of the truck apart to remove the entire engine. I know Toyota is very very good at resolving issues but these new Tundras will be not touched with a 10 foot pole. Like you said...NEVER BUY anything all "NEW" because you will be the lab rat. I think FORD is the worst for this. The one irony is that the second gen tundra has probably got a boost in value due to its reliability with the 5.7 v8 and 6 speed transmission. My 20 Tundra is my last new truck ever...barring a disaster.

[@ECPP]

Great point Mike, and yes the older Tundras, and while they are thirsty, are a stout workhorse and a keeper.

[@littlestinker9716]

My brother bought an early 5.7L Tundra brand new. The engine block blew into pieces with about 1,500 miles on the truck. He made the dealer buy it back for what he paid including sales tax and bought a new Titan. The Titan never had a single issue.

[@WhittyPics]

Sounds like some lawsuits coming? This is very UN Toyota.

[@ECPP]

Its not pretty

[@littlestinker9716]

It's 100% today's Toyota since 2020 if not earlier. Different company. Different philosophy. All about profit. Reliability and quality are long gone.

[@johnb1658]

lol why would you need a lawsuit when TOYOTA IS FIXING THEM FOR FREE!

[@matthewlok3020]

@@johnb1658probably those wanting a full refund would lodge a lawsuit

[@patrickchilds5486]

7 time Lexus owner. I’m waiting to buy another or I’ll buy the last model without these turbos!

[@rodgerp.639]

Well reasoned, clear and persuasive argument . Very helpful applicable to all manufacturers, not just cars. BTW, you've been looking great lately.

[@ECPP]

Thanks

[@lucianracu9975]

My 2004 Tacoma with zero problems runs like new.

[@ECPP]

Those older units are work horse and in a great way

[@sheri2578]

The reason people are in panic mode is because of social media!!! This recall is getting completely blown out of proportion. If people would take time to read the official documents on the issue instead of listening to 95% of the BS info or content creators that only give the negative side of the issue with no solid facts from what they are saying. Does this recall suck?? Absolutely it does !!! Will Toyota fix it?? I assume once the correct repair method is available they will. To date this recall only affects 1% of the 102000 vehicles recalled ... That is fact in official Toyota documents available online at NHTSA . This is a voluntary recall on Toyota part . So that tells me they are willing stand behind there product and make it right!! They could be like GM with the lifter / camshaft issue they have had since 2007 and once vehicle is out of warranty customer is on the own or like Ford with camshaft phaser issues in the 5.4 v8 and 3.5 ecoboost dating back to 2006 ford had a chance to fix issue when ecoboost first came out in 2011 but continued to use the same crappy phaser design like in the 5.4 and once warranty ran out customer once again left paying. There are countless examples manufacturers leaving customer to deal with there crappy design flaws without recall or help outside of warranty periods. Is Toyota a perfect manufacturer ??? Absolutely not !!! Are that better than most on the market ?? yes ... Is Toyota reputation taking an ass kicking lately ?? YUP !!! Hopefully people can weed though the BS and make a informed decision for themselves !!!

[@ECPP]

Thanks for the comment and I agree, people will decide with their wallets, and maybe this is just a small bump, and that would be great.

[@androsmedina7200]

I got rid of my tundra 24 and get the tacoma 23

[@ECPP]

Nice

[@adamtajhassam9188]

@@ECPP Sometime i wonder do we need to make it harder 4 companies to get a license to sell if they play nasty tricks etc.. tired that it has to go social 4 these companies to do something.

[@PLATINUM2U]

Thats RIGHT!!! Dont forgot to say "Alledgedly" youve gotta CYA! lol :D

[@ECPP]

haha, cheers

[@Technocrat.]

Serves people right, for buying over priced Vehicles and supporting Dealer Scams.

[@ECPP]

Bottom line

[@a.a.a.r5238]

I had a 2022 Highlander that got a safety recall and it was not a smooth trade-in for 2023 GX. And I am happy that I got rid of it!

[@ECPP]

Why, what happened ?

[@a.a.a.r5238]

@@ECPP there was an open safety recall that the front bumper cover could drop down while driving or with a minor impact. It has been an open for 6 month till I trade it in.

[@rogerrussell9544]

Toyota doesn't want these trucks, but customers are supposed to want them?

[@ECPP]

Totally odd. They do not want the liability that goes with sitting g on the lot for a long time and other incidentals

[@rogerrussell9544]

@@ECPP So, they'll dump them on customers knowing the issues but hoping customers will be stuck with the bill. Sounds like a recipe lawyers could only dream about.

[@davidjacinto9199]

Where are all the toyota fan boys now?

[@ECPP]

Yikes

[@Zzzoro92]

​@jeanclaude7018tempting to buy a Nissan frontier instead of a Toyota

[@billymania11]

Yeah, Toyota completely blew their reputation. I agree their engine issue is as bad as they come but slow-walking repairs and hiding their responsibility is just inexcusable. It will be interesting to see how they recover from this awful situation.

[@ECPP]

I agree, this is a serious tarnishing

[@matthewlok3020]

The heat from the turbo will be a very tough nut to crack

[@donniem3831]

Toyota screwed the pooch with these turbo charged motors. They should have kept the 5.7; 4.7 and 4.0 in the taco and 4Runner. The poor gas mileage numbers of these reliable motors is the transmissions utilized. Tacoma with a 4.0 V6 with a 8 speed automatic would’ve been something else.

[@ECPP]

Totally right and even the great 3.5 Na was a great piece

[@RFJersey]

The competition has turbo motors, they had to evolve.

[@bruceyung70]

That's not good for Toyota. Ruins reputation for sure!

[@ECPP]

It is rough. Yes they generally make solid vehicles. I believe they will learn from this one.

[@rocinblues]

In the states we have the "lemon law" for US buyers, and that is where i would be at.

[@ECPP]

Should be looked into

[@gregcain4678]

Toyota was obviously trying to meet EPA guidelines with this new V6 engine but for full size truck buyers most still prefer a V8. GM, Ford and Dodge took many potential Toyota buyers away from their product with this engine decision in my opinion. The old 5.7 Toyo motor was great so why get rid of it?

[@user-butchcassidy]

What about the Lexus LS500? Any news since they are the first to offer the 3.4 twin turbo?

[@ECPP]

Yes that’s a great car

[@user-butchcassidy]

@@ECPP I agree but is there any news relating to engine failure or talks of a recall since it’s a 3.4TT and the first in production to offer that type back in 2018. Let me know.

[@timrussell5988]

People trading in their GX already? What's the issue with it that prevents it from being taken in as a trade?

[@ECPP]

Well…..

[@gamingwithzan4654]

Thank god I got my 2017 limited 5.7 i-force v-8 very reliable 😊

[@ECPP]

That’s a leeper

[@JayMak1963]

keep it the last of the best

[@AvengerAngel]

As a Toyota owner (2023 naturally aspirated RAV4 Adventure series) and having just traded-in our 2022 Tacoma (V6, naturally aspirated) for a 2024 Hybrid Max Crown, I am now concerned about the Crown, (although made in Japan), because Toyota has dropped the ball on the Tundra and the new Tacoma with that 4cyl turbo engine is a lead ballon for Toyota. Having been "convinced" we no longer needed a pick-up, but rather a sedan, I wish we bought a gas (naturally aspirated) 2024 Camry TRD instead of a Crown. By the way, our trade-in 2022 Tacoma TRD Sport never made it to the dealer's lot, it had 5040 miles on it and was sold to someone looking for a low mileage 2022-2023. Only good thing was the trade -in; $2500 more than what we paid for the Tacoma Sport new!

[@ECPP]

That’s a great selection you have owned, but yes you are right, the new is not always the better in this case especially. If it were my money I probably would go with that last of the 3.5L V6 in the Camry.

[@AvengerAngel]

@@ECPP The Crown was fairly expensive for a Toyota badge, and in Lexus 350 territory. It is impressive, but my reticence due to it being a new venture by Toyota (although the name 'Crown' has been around for years), had me take an extended warranty from Toyota proper (not a third party warranty company) as the car is laden with electronics. They (Crowns) are all made in Japan, not California so QC is hopefully there.

[@mackakiwinz4353]

Purchasing new vehicles has always had risks as problems/recalls are ironed out. Personally we would never buy new fir this reason and frankly we could never afford it 😂🤣

[@craigwilcox-kz3rd]

​@@mackakiwinz4353😊

[@melissasmess2773]

Your money was worth a lot more in 2022 lol 😂

[@Vincent-ke5zn]

Toyota needs to bring back the V8 !!!

[@ECPP]

I agree and maybe a hybrid option too for economy

[@Vincent-ke5zn]

@@ECPP exactly my thoughts, a hybrid option

[@giancarlolugo9586]

​@@Vincent-ke5znThey use a 5.8 pushrod V8 in NASCAR (Toyota's small block) they should de-tune it for fuel economy and street use and add fuel injection and later on create a 6.0 and 6.2 variants to compete with GM's newest LS and LT engines. With the pushrod it would be a lot lighter and compact than the DOHC and bring more torque and save fuel economy and offer 6 speed manual transmission and 9-10 speed automatic.

[@Vincent-ke5zn]

@giancarlolugo9586 VERY GOOD IDEA 💡, BUT sorry to say that they won't do that. You should get a job at Toyota and tell them, but that would make sense, which doesn't work today

[@ChickenWang0]

Toyota should tell dealers if you want to sell Toyotas you have to take them

[@daviddenley3512]

Hi Mark, I was thinking of getting a Range Rover L322 but the unreliability put me off of them so now I'm looking for a Toyota Landcruiser J100 with the 4.2 diesel unit... 2003-2005. Listening to this horror story from Toyota, did they cut corners in the design or is it stretching more from the unit then was feasibly possible? Yes, I think I'm better off going old school, they seem to be a better bet!

[@ECPP]

Hi David, yes I would go older Landcruiser for the win. These recent engines are more of an issue with Quality Control from what I can see, and hopefully not so much from a deficient design, but time will tell. The power output does not suggest that these engines are overly stressed.

[@mxr572]

ps. nearly all Toyota vehicles do not get a dark green highest approval level rating in recent years in CR. ICE vehicles have become too complex mechanically and electronically to insure great reliability. also very expensive to fix. when will consumers rebel?

[@ECPP]

The problem is the alternatives are equally bad or worse

[@drnick40]

Get back the V8!

[@ECPP]

exactly

[@GlenGGonsalves]

Another KZbin guy called around to 4-5 Toyota dealers and they all said they will take the truck as a trade in. So, what is the truth?

[@ECPP]

Who is that and which dealers?

[@healthyamerican]

The main bearing is only the beginning. Wait til the other problems arise. People are unaware of how much it costs to replace a turbo and twin turbos.

[@JJ-mh3hb]

Ram never fixed their mds problems. Toyota will be alright

[@ECPP]

Cheers

[@ECPP]

Right?

[@ford1546]

Looks like almost every major car factory these days is trying to cut corners to save as much money as possible. The result is cars with too many problems. They also over engineered the car so it becomes much more complicated than it needs to be. Ford 2007-2014 and powershift gearbox or DSG that others use are bad gearboxes. But they continue to use and they never learn.

[@ECPP]

For sure push above and beyond into reliability no man’s land

[@johnwhalen3191]

I don't know, i still see a ton of new Tundras on the road

[@ECPP]

Nice

[@scottymoondogjakubin4766]

The engine replacement is a job and if not done %100 correctly it will be back in the shop !

[@ECPP]

Very technical job and likely there are not many great engine builders in the brand

[@nayil100]

My 07 IS 350 and my friend's 2013 IS 250 both had engine failures... Not going back to Toyota/Lexus ever again.

[@ECPP]

Wow what happened?

[@nayil100]

@@ECPP Hey there, Mine lost compression on cylinder 4 and my friend suffered high engine temperature to the point that it needed engine replacement.

[@eman0828]

This will probably be a wake up call for Toyota for their mistake and go back to natural aspirated engines. Toyota is company that learn from its mistake's and makes those corrections. They are always continuously improving designs and processes from Dr. Deming's philosophy. unlike other manufactures only cares about capitalism.

[@ECPP]

Thanks very much. Tbis really sounds like a quality control gap.

[@janjachymiak9013]

Seems like it took decades for Toyota to build their reputation; however, it’s not taking long at all to destroy it.

[@ECPP]

pull the bow string and watch it unravel

[@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD]

social media effects. Both the 4.6L V8 and 5.7L v8 were recalled when they came out... nobody remembers because YT wasn't a thing like it is now...

[@needmoney666]

Sayonara Toyota. Good luck with your underpowered turbo engines.

[@ECPP]

They seem to be feeling the burn that BMW did back in 2007.

[@donaldbanner2185]

Get the MUCH Better configurations that D0Not have a Turbo....I.e. LEXUS 450h+ "F" Sport makes up the Dog Turbo 's like Euros....with (30 Elec motors and a Battery...giving much Higher Torq than a turbo will and QUIET!

[@RoadHouseeee]

I bought a 2019 Tacoma new and I had a dealer last week offer me $38k for it. I paid $35k lol

[@ECPP]

Nice, its a keeper

[@phil4986]

If it gets out Toyota will not accept their own vehicles back, this will be a multibillion dollar loss for Toyota. I feel really bad for the customers. Every company run by a new CEO these days is making straight up trash to max out quarterly profits and their bonuses. It's a good time to buy nothing.

[@condocord7544]

excellent review!

[@ECPP]

Thank you kindly!

[@ianjung1164]

My Tundra has “check engine light”….trash

[@ECPP]

Oh no….

[@MikeV-t7o]

Does Toyota have Boxed ⛽ Diesels

[@ECPP]

well

[@plutodestroyer12]

new toyota CEO doing everything he can do destroy the brand

[@ECPP]

On a one way street

[@FredPriest-ud6cu]

The new CEO was installed because old one was against EV'S ! & now he seems to be correct.

[@buck546]

It will take years for this self inflicted wound to heal.

[@RFJersey]

@@buck546Not really, the competition isn’t any better. They will fix it and move on with excellent reliability.

[@buck546]

@@RFJersey You may be right, but speaking as a once loal Toyota buyer who has owned two Tacoma's and two Tundras over the last twelve years and still driving one of the Tundras a 2020 Limited, it will be a long time before I trust Toyota again.

[@Afrocanuk]

Designed & built in America to American standards. Then stick a Japanese badge on it.

[@ECPP]

Bottom line

[@michaeldifensore5631]

The 4.7 liter 2UZFE is the best Tundra engine by far.

[@ECPP]

Yes it is

[@michaelnewton8329]

Scotty Kilmer was right you can't turbocharge things except for maybe the Porsche Turbo for $300,000

[@VroodenTheGreat]

Why are they still building them and selling them if THEY don't even want them?

[@Dayota___]

I love my V8 Tundra TRD Pro and V6 Tacoma TRD Pro… Oh yes I am rubbing it in 😂

[@ECPP]

Boom!

[@tomb9758]

If it were not for the extreme government mandates on emissions., Automakers wouldn't have to rush. to design and implement new engines. In fact, the V8 would still be available in the Tundra if it were not for government mandates and regulations.

[@HristovRumen]

Toyota has always had maaaaaajor issues with the Tundras. From frames rotting out to engines wiping out mains.

[@ECPP]

Ouch. 5.7s have been known to run a ton of miles

[@Israeli_Prince]

It's a shame because these tundras are some of the most stunning trucks look wise.

[@slumy8195]

nah gm trucks are, but too are massive piles of junk. They are suckering everybody by looks past few yrs.

[@ECPP]

Yes they are, hopefully they get this sorted soon.

[@preeyakumari-i2q]

Toyota is cutting cost like the Big 3 putting out subpar products. Let’s see how they handle the recalls,are they going to install crate engines or have butchers at the stealerships tear down the engines and putting them back together with half the parts missing !

[@slumy8195]

they will add non turbo camry engines as replacements.

[@ECPP]

Yes

[@ECPP]

I have heard that they may only send a short block and all the assembly is to be done in the field and likely not send a full crate engine, which would be the right way to do it

[@meng6315]

All these Tundras must of been built on Friday to Monday.

[@benclark5225]

It's no surprise that a twin turbo engine is a short life proposition. I'd never buy a turbo charged anything. 0-60 eventually is ok with me.

[@ChickenWang0]

How could it be debris on the replacement motors too sounds fishy

[@ECPP]

Haha

[@nuclearbum9858]

they gotta do something about that grill...PLEASE!!

[@ECPP]

right?

[@thomashelm6931]

Toyota is crap and BMW producing decent and reliable engines? I never, ever, saw this coming!

[@ECPP]

Haha strange times Thomas. Anything older Toyota is insanely reliable like the Toyota 4Runner, V6 Camry, Corolla, V6 Tacoma, V8 Tundra just to list a few, but oddly enough the next generation of turbo engines are needing a little massaging before reliability is hopefully back like before. BMW? Well late model 4 and 6 engines but those V8s I am not sure I will ever trust from Bavaria. The oldies are the goodies for Toyota. How are things with you as well lately? Any more car shopping?

[@RFJersey]

@@ECPPThe current Corolla line seems to be reliable.

[@michaelnewton8329]

What's the only good company left left Honda

[@RaffiJaharian]

If they had manufactured this engine in Japan instead of Alabama they would not be having these Quality control issues. you usually see these kinds of Quality control issues North American Car plants. Toyota has made reliable six cylinder Turbo engines in the past like the JZ series.

[@nerdbikes3841]

It is not government regulations causing these modern engines to blow up. It is ego and trying to keep up with EV power and torque. The fact is, EVs offer huge power and torque and ICE cars are not able to keep up with the power except by using turbos, overstressed engines with exotic designs and materials. It is the struggle to try and keep up with raw EV power that forces the decision to go with turbos and risky engineering. You can have a massive NA 8 cylinder and still lose big time with even a moderately spec’d. eV. The new choice is simple. If you want reliable and slow, go with a V8. If you want faster, go with an EV or an overstressed, over engineered overboosted turbo engine.

[@nooddles12]

should’ve had 2 engine options until people got used to new epa requirements.

[@theyjustwantyourmoney4539]

Do you not have the Hilux in America ?

[@ECPP]

No

[@blackwatch7151]

But all the fanboys said Toyota has made turbos for decades, that this engine has been in the LS since 2017, that Toyota stress tests these engines for millions of miles! Just because they can make a turbo diesel doesn't mean they can make a gas turbo engine.

[@jamesmustin7289]

That says it all. They know they are crap. They don’t except crap. They only dish it out। That is my opinion

[@goodguygto]

WHAT THE HELL EVER HAPPENED TO, turn on your car with a PHYSICAL ignition key and having a V8 under the hood for extra power (there) when you need it?

[@ECPP]

I know, right? Keep it simple

[@goodguygto]

@@ECPP Yup!, you know it! K.i.s.s. Keep, It, Simple, Stupid! 😲😲

[@zythr9999]

Lol. Remote start, heated seats, to name 2

[@classiccorvettesmusclecars5846]

People want to buy American trucks over Toyota…We’re in the upside down world..

[@Suavecito77]

Well hopefully with this issues they will reconsider bringing back the v8

[@joshb2812]

A modern engine from a car manufacturer that’s failing? That’s par for the course these days!! I don’t care who makes it, they’re all garbage. Buy what you like, and accept that it will last 5 years before it’s not worth repairing anymore. Then replace..

[@mikescaffo4850]

Toyota has destroyed both of there trucks nobody wants the 4 cylinder tacoma and the tundra has the v6 blow apart special wow Toyota has lost there way

[@ECPP]

Sad state of affairs

[@joeschlepp]

then there's toyota's 105 billion dollar US debt. how much more money can they borrow to replace all these engines. maybe part of the reason they're not in a big hurry to fix this.

[@ECPP]

Annual budget

[@rocketraccoon1976]

Even Ladas last longer than these Toyota trucks.

[@ECPP]

Haha

[@leiflillandt1488]

But now there is an opportunity to remove the engine and put a used Tesla motor instead, and you have a perfect EV that will last for a very long time. It must be much better than to make a Mercedes GD from the 70ies electric, isn't it?

[@ECPP]

Well….

[@ericl7519]

I think you can ultimately put the blame on the government. Not the car companies for tighter emissions regs. At least for now. Let's hope this will drive innovation. But in the meantime it's going to not be cheap either.

[@michaelnewton8329]

Make a Nissan look good right now especially with the frontier truck

[@bruceyung70]

Are these made in Japan, Mexico or the U.S??

[@ECPP]

N. America in general

[@donaldbanner2185]

@@ECPP & there-in IS THE PROBLEM..........Not made in JAPAN!

[@acizko92]

@@donaldbanner2185 There are more models than the Tundra that are also affected. The Lexus LX600 and Land Cruiser are also affected by engine trouble according to the buyers from the UAE

[@mikefoehr235]

San Antonio

[@berendberend6908]

Toyota is getting arrogant. Btw, did you have an eyelid job?

[@ECPP]

Haha no, why?

[@prawnshop4573]

My rule of thumb with anything with a turbo or new tech, let the simps test it out for a couple of years then buy when its proven in the real world.

[@luckyguy600]

But the 2024 is perfect. RIGHT!

[@ECPP]

Perfect indeed, well......

[@andyny29]

From now on I’m gonna buy only Stellantis vehicles! 😂😮😅🤣

[@ECPP]

Haha nice

[@EJBert]

Well they do have bad engines so that's understandable lol!

[@ECPP]

Ouch

[@charlesjackson1700]

They are still better than the other brands😂

[@EJBert]

@@charlesjackson1700 I had good luck with Toyota and Camrys but they appear to be sliding lately.

[@rosscaruana355]

Wow. I thought Toyota was so reputable. Hmmm.

[@ECPP]

Times are changing f