Toyota reveals 25 years of Hydrogen development NEW EV killing engine

Toyota reveals 25 years of Hydrogen development NEW EV killing engine
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[@Phtang-phtang]

The van actually started as the 2 seater sports car but then they worked out the space needed for the hydrogen tanks 🤣

[@brushlessmotoring]

lolololol - JCBs converted sprinter van nonsense pulls the same trick I believe, we never get shown the interior.

[@skataskatata9236]

Toyota is just really trolling itself at this point

[@Ghosy01]

By the time Toyota puts out a hydrogen vehicle that’s affordable I will be driving a plasma fusion vehicle .

[@Thinkofwhat]

....or wormhole teleportation to another galaxy for a weekend trip:)

[@kckfen]

😂

[@poli4869]

or we will all in coffins😂

[@patdbean]

Who is going to make all this hydrogen? It is going to take atleast 1kwh per mile to MAKE the hydrogen. So for the uk road fleet (37,000,000 road vehicals ) to be hydrogeathe n at current mileage (8000 miles a year each) would need about 180kwh a year of electricity, against 60-65twh to drive that number of EVs the same distance.

[@l4c166]

😂

[@JoelBergmark]

Wow Nokia, and Kodak, prepare! Toyota is coming in hard!

[@kathleenwhitten7120]

There are 45,000 electric chargers in the US. Also people can easily charge at home - many from rooftop solar! You can rig up a charger from any power pole!!!! How many hydrogen stations- 20? In fact they have been decommissioning hydrogen stations in UK due to dangerous fires. Hydrogen has NO CHANCE!!

[@colinwiseman]

It's the solar part that is the kicker. A large amount of homes will have solar panels in 15-20 years, if not most of the ones that can use well enough. So why would you not have an EV!

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Hydrogen would have a chance if it was not many times more expensive.

[@darthsirrius]

I mean, that's what I do. I have 18 kilowatts the panels up on the roof, my electric car charged yesterday entirely off solar. When I get my aptera, it'll ALWAYS be off solar lol. Roi on solar panels is too ridiculous for people not to go for it

[@hondaopportunity8107]

It will be coming in the U.S. Toyota has been hesitant to EV, but Toyota is betting on Hydrogen. I used to work for them, and they have a huge plan for the U.S and other regions. EV is a good concept, but many consumers in the U.S are hesitant due to the inconvenience. You just describe it yourself, solar rooftop? not many people have solar power sun roofs. The other issue with EV is the logistics and cost of rare metals, lithium, etc.

[@Tschacki_Quacki]

@@hondaopportunity8107 L M A O

[@alfredkcwong5008]

Last call from Toyota before they fall.😢😢

[@hishamg]

As many others have said, it’s already too late for hydrogen, apart from the fact it’s inefficient (green hydrogen produced by electrolysis uses 3 times as much electricity as a BEV) EV charging networks are already up and running and growing all the time, not to mention all the people who already have chargers on their drives. The ship has sailed.

[@ultrastoat3298]

It’s not that it’s too late for hydrogen. It was disqualified for the race by the laws of thermodynamics.

[@GoCoyote]

Yes, and the EROI of hydrogen is negative compared to renewables. Around 1 to 4 or 1 to 5 for hydrogen, meaning that it takes 4 to 5 units of energy to make 1 unit of equivalent hydrogen energy. Compare that to at least 20 to 1 for existing renewable electricity, with new solar at 30 to 1, and new wind at 80 to 1. Meaning that it takes one unit of energy to get 20 to 80 units of solar or wind energy.

[@stevewilson6193]

I hear they are working on a dilithium crystal engine too

[@ohger1]

I wish that they could make it so.

[@connclissmann6514]

More credible! They should form a joint venture with the Klingons.

[@Wirmish]

They will transform poop to antimatter.

[@kensmith5694]

@@Wirmish Mix anti-pasta and pasta and get free energy

[@philipjoakim]

Toyota is trying desperately to keep the ICE production line running even with a different fuel. They understand (but won't admit )that they are lacking behind in electrification but their ego won't let them see the truth that other new players surpassed them.

[@Speedkid]

I understand why you would think that. The truth is that Toyota has done the calculations, they know that there is not enough electricity in the system for EV to charge on the electric systems of the world if all cars were EV. They also have developed their own EVs and they see that the overall sales of EVs are very very slow and low numbers. They are making appropriate decisions based on the current numbers. Not a popular take but that is mine. Have a good day.

[@rozonoemi9374]

Not at all, the fact that there EV are not selling is because of Toyota making very average EV for more money!@@Speedkid

[@jamesvandamme7786]

@@Speedkid The problem with that theory is that green hydrogen is made from water and electricity, inefficiently. Far better to just put that electricity in a battery rather than wasting half of it. then there's the efficiency of compression, storage, transport, and then the inefficiency of a fuel cell or (far worse) an engine. Instead of trying to make hydrogen work, they could just use CNG or propane. In fact, people do that now in places. Toyota EV sales are slow because their vehicles (like VW) suck. All their blather about hybrids, ICE hydrogen, ammonia, etc. are probably just a smokescreen until they get their solid state batteries working.

[@erktrek]

@@Speedkid Not only an unpopular take but also a completely inaccurate one.. you are doing Toyota a disservice with your misinformation. Toyota, like all the other legacy manufacturers, knows that EVs are the inevitable future but are stuck either by corporate culture and/or their sunk costs in manufacturing facilities (and extreme debt). While they spend tons of money on advertising to hide their weakness and try and slow roll things the general public is beginning to catch on. It is so disappointing to see a once amazing powerhouse of design, engineering and corporate management fall so dishonorably low.. A big tragedy is while I don't see them failing, thanks to their prominence and influence in Japan they will likely cause other Japanese manufacturers to go out of business. Have a great day! 🙃

[@nickv8816]

The only reason Toyota is saying they aren’t all in on EV is because they haven’t figured out how to produce a profit on them. They are work on this and when they figure it out I guarantee you they will go 💯 EV. Everything else they say is just smoke screens to keep investors happy. They are not seriously pushing hydrogen at all. They already sell more and take less of a loss on their EVs over their hydrogen cars.

[@stuartphippen46]

Having driven an EV for a couple of months now I tried driving my wife’s ICE, the ICE engine is full of compromises and the electric is far superior imo, why would you go back except for nostalgia reasons?

[@lesliecarter4295]

Your wife has the intelligence in the relationship. 🧐

[@stuartphippen46]

@@lesliecarter4295 She does, after driving my EV she also wants an EV.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Maybe you like the exhaust note, the soothing engine vibration, the running through the gears, and the camaraderie of going to the gas station and paying $4 a gallon? Yeah ..... no.

[@cedriccottage2070]

Seeing the title, I immediately knew this will be funny. Toyota doesn't disappoints.

[@brushlessmotoring]

Range checks out, hydrogen combustion is even more inefficient than a fuel cell. JCB are wittering on about this too. Hydrogen in California is a $36 per kg 50% offline mess right now. They really do need to pull their heads out of their butts - I don't get why BMW is still talking about hydrogen X5s either. It's just madness.

[@brushlessmotoring]

@@Gunshow86 No trucking company is going to pay the $10 per mile hydrogen combustion will cost. It's a dead end.

[@SR-pr2xz]

Hydrogen is about the same cost 100/km where is am and availability is across the country with an aggressive rollout because EV performance drops when it snows, not to mention 3 recharges for a single hydrogen tank

[@brushlessmotoring]

@@SR-pr2xz Mirai FCEV range at speed (85 mph) is already less than a model 3, and thats a fuel cell, put a hydrogen combustion engine in there and you wont get 100 miles out of it at speed. 16 kWh per 100 km vs. 1kg per 100 km, how much is 1kg of H2, how much is 16 kWh where you are?

[@brushlessmotoring]

@@Gunshow86 boggles my mind as to why! Thanks for the info though.

[@DC.409]

@@brushlessmotoring The Cummins Hydrogen engine is being used by ASKO Supermarket and Scania with the first four hydrogen gas trucks with electric driveline and of ASKO's hydrogen gas station in Trondheim, Norway. Ikea Austria introduces first hydrogen trucks for Ikea because 'battery vehicles do not have the range to deliver to remote areas. They use BEV in urban area. The U.K. Hydrogen buses and lorries for long distance have being introduced, 90 Buses so far, with 2300 BEV Buses in city environments, similarly the first long distance haulage have introduced 30 lorries so far, there are 59 BEV lorries. UK Haulage, are keeping their powered dry, keen to testing both systems.

[@jamesr.9239]

Toyota (and others) seem to be desperately trying to avoid the inevitable move to EV's by promoting a technology that isn't competitive and has little to no distribution system in place and unlikely to change any time soon. EV's are here and successful and charging distribution is growing rapidly so Toyota seems to be replaying the equivalent of the Stanley Steamer VS I.C.E. battle of 100 years ago.

[@rozonoemi9374]

That is because they don't know how to make a "Good" EV!

[@damianw5861]

Its because toyota and other Japanese car companies have spent billions in ICE all of these years and they also have thousand of partners that produce the spare parts all over japan, if they switch to ev, all of those would be gone, these small companies all around Japan would collapse this will affect already weak Japanese economy , so they fighting hard in hydrogen eventhough its a losing battle

[@patriciazoerner]

​@@damianw5861Pretty sad situation.

[@walterdimmick653]

That range is absolutely a nonstarter.

[@pandemik0]

Laws of physics is against hydrogen. March of technolgoy is against it too. By the time we've cracked the problems with hydrogen, batteries will have advanced a long way to be close to untouchable. Then also by the time we have the abundant ultra cheap solar engery necessary to make hydrogen viable it'll be more economic to sell that energy to the grid - run BEVs close to free? H2 is just not economically viable outside of niche applications such as military and long range aviation.

[@windsolarupnorth7084]

The grid won't need that much solar and wind, most will go to waste. Unless you store it, in hydrogen. In northern Europe electricity is already free when it is windy nowadays. Supply is simply larger than the demand. Hydrogen can be produced at minimum cost when solar and windpower are working. BEV needs to be charged at all hours of the day.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

@@windsolarupnorth7084 There will always be an average number of EVs charging at any given time of the day, perfect for storing heaps of renewable energy. Hydrogen is a massive waste.

[@tomcapon4447]

​@@windsolarupnorth7084 Until we're at basically 100% renewables, it's cheaper to let solar and wind farms sit idle when demand is low than to let hydrogen plants sit idle when grid demand is high.

[@danharold3087]

@@windsolarupnorth7084 In other words hydrogen as a battery. We can do better.

[@williammeek4078]

@@windsolarupnorth7084you need better distribution, not storage

[@kieronimo1]

Toyota are delusional.

[@rhiantaylor3446]

The problem isn't converting an engine to burn hydrogen, its about storing hydrogen safely, in worthwhile quantities, in something the size of a car.

[@eleetgroupvideo]

I hope its true! (By the time they released the first hydrogen car, people already moved on from EV to fusion powered flying car as in Back to the Future :) )

[@stoapfalzrunden4150]

Hydrogen Land Cruiser. To go where no filling station has gone before...

[@pse2020]

Can u charge at home? In the parking lot? No...

[@dansanger5340]

How long are they going to humor Old Man Toyoda?

[@jonevansauthor]

Fully Charged did an entire interview with a representative from a chemistry society whose whole bag is refuting hydrogen nonsense. His stance was, IIRC, we use it for things other than transport so if we were making it, we'd make it at a fertiliser plant or a steel plant or somewhere we'd actually use it. It's insanely hard to store, transporting it is a bit silly and EVs are better full stop. Worth developing the tech to split hydrogen from water, and store it and so on and so forth. But not for small vehicle applications, for things like temporary grid storage or maybe large scale shipping or fertiliser purposes. Or even just so you can extract everything else from the water/create completely pure water by recombining the hydrogen with oxygen (maybe that would one day be cheaper than just filtering sea water...? I feel like someone might already be doing it if it were though). Regardless of application, pure science is always good and by extension pure engineering (with no known practical application other than getting better at doing a thing you currently have no use for). Can't see myself ever driving one of these or needing too.

[@markthomasson5077]

Well said

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Other synfuels like ammonia might be better for ships. Not gonna be cheaper than bunker oil, but a LOT cleaner.

[@kevinaschim8475]

You’ve never worked with ammonia! If you have you will know that ammonia is the worst fuel ever.

[@SlowhandGreg]

To crack water into hydrogen using electricity takes 3 the amount of energy it produces The only point in using it is to keep domestic gas heating go further ( you can run a 2080 mix) or for some steel but Arc technology seems to be taking care of that Bizzare

[@windsolarupnorth7084]

No, maybe it did in 1985. Efficiency of electrolysis is between 70 and 80% today and is expected to hit an efficiency of 86% by 2030.

[@ewdack]

@@windsolarupnorth7084 I belive that's before you compress it, transport it and convert if back into electricity. If you burn the hydrogen in an engine, it's even less efficient.

[@SlowhandGreg]

@@windsolarupnorth7084 still doesn't make any sense to then use it in an inefficient ICE vehicle

[@windsolarupnorth7084]

@@SlowhandGreg Hydrogen ICE engines are mostly ment for racing and for the shipping industry. This Viking guy just hates Toyota because they are honest about the limitations of BEVs.

[@SlowhandGreg]

@@windsolarupnorth7084 were at the bottom off the S curve with net zero and EV's In the last 10 years the cost of producing energy from renewables has dropped by 95% becoming on par with gas generation in 2019. It's predicted that battery prices will double in capacity& halve in cost over the next few years. I used to work in the energy sector having EV'S plugged into a meshed grid will save energy suppliers billions

[@cptyler150]

You had me at the fireworks lolol. That's exactly right well they better start putting armor around these vehicles. I know they're trying to innovate and renovate but this is crazy

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Unfortunately it's the dream of the upper management. The peon engineers know better but they need a job.

[@Peye-pv4cb]

How many nuclear power plant in America

[@jamesho8820]

Dear EV, thank-you for your innumerable phenomenal videos. I always look forward to your latest report. Insofar as Toyota's Hydrogen vehicles, two words come to mind "hubris" and "denial." Sure they made great ICE vehicles for years and I still drive my FJ cruiser after 17 years. I suppose they cannot admit that EV's are not only present and future, but that they are "biting Chinese manufacturer's dust." They need to move on and stop spinning their wheels.

[@tomooo2637]

Hybrid cars have "two" engines at the front at the car - with ICE engine, inverter, electrical systems and 2 cooling systems. There are therefore more points of failure and less space in the engine space = more heat. So the issue is not the battery (which is normally in the back of the car), but that there are more points of failure and heat packed into a small space at the front of a hybrid. Remember, many of the old hybrids where Nickel-metal-hydride batteries that have too high internal resistance to thermally runaway, and just don't catch fire and they still have a higher risk of catching fire in the engine space.

[@yorkyone2143]

Hydrogen fails on cost at all stages of its use compared to electric power. Extraction, Storage, Transportation, Energy Density & Engine Efficiency. When digging in the wrong technology hole the wise choice is to stop digging.

[@stefanduhovnicu4469]

We have an electric viking, can we get also a hydrogen viking?!

[@luketoh1]

Have you seen the seating capacity of the Mirai's rear seats?

[@MMLL369]

What's one of the most significant difference between an EV / HV / Hybrid? Motor, mechanical and combustion engine. It's not difficult to see the possible reason why Toyota is so obsessed with HV development (and hybrid), they don't want to give up what they are good at, mechanical engines. HV is a waste of time until cost effective mass production of pure hydrogen is greatly improved, while I think hybrid could maintain it's stance a tad longer. On the EV scene, the motor part is pretty mature at least it's not in an urgent need for further development, leaving only two major issues to tackle, battery and charging points (public). Since EVs are chargeable at home, even some new residential buildings are already offering power plugs with individual electricity metres, EVs are ready to cater quite a lot of folks. I have faith in advancement in battery technology, since many countries are pouring millions of dollars in development, something new would popup here and there.

[@timogronroos4642]

H2 tanks need to be replaced in Mirai after 15 years for security reasons. The fuel cell will probably be toasted at that time too. Sounds like end-of-live age for Mirai.

[@bellumCretatus]

Mostly it is way earlier, normally when the free hydrogen fuel card balance goes to zero. Then it‘s game over.

[@windsolarupnorth7084]

Teslas last for 5-6 years, when they are toast.

[@bellumCretatus]

@@windsolarupnorth7084 false!

[@Simon-dm8zv]

@@windsolarupnorth7084 LOL where do you get that BS

[@williammeek4078]

@@windsolarupnorth7084why tell such stupid lies?

[@jjamespacbell]

In California, the price of Hydrogen is $36 per kg ($180 per fill-up) half of the stations are out of order. Source my friend who works for a Hydrogen repair facility and owns a Toyota Mirai. The $15,000 credit card you get with a Mirai was advertised to last 5 years now it will only last 20 months due to price increases. How much will the resale value be in 2 years?

[@brushlessmotoring]

Mirai subreddit is an interesting read these days. Mirai Club is also a good channel, he's very honest about the mess California H2 is in now. 3 months those gaseous stations have been down now - 3 months, half the stations offline.

[@TheHumanNacho]

I keep saying that the pie in the sky of hydrogen as a fuel is that small country superpowers (like Japan and Germany) loathe their dependency on energy imports and are thus investing in a vehicle fuel that ultimately all it needs is whatever stationary power, and water.

[@mrmawson2438]

Hydrogen Cars, Vans, etc is funking batsh!t crazy

[@BMA967]

What I hate about the idea of hydrogen cars is the idea of trucks trundling down the road to make deliveries tk service stations of fuel. I mean it's like a step back to ICE...

[@lufasumafalu5069]

u can refuel by taking H from H2O for freeeeee

[@danharold3087]

"Step back to ICE" It is the intent to keep automotive fuel in the hands of a few. Like it is was gasoline. Anybody can generate electricity.... EV BAD

[@jamesvandamme7786]

That's the whole idea. Make you go to a filling station and pay whatever they demand, instead of filling your car with electrons that came off the roof of your own house. It's the only way gas stations can survive. Currently hydrogen is made from fossil fuel (CH4) and the C goes .... oh, never mind that.

[@lufasumafalu5069]

@@jamesvandamme7786 hydrogen is free from H2O

[@youtubevanced4900]

Can't wait to see them try and advertise the hydrogen landcruiser for trips to the Cape. You can make it half way there on a single tank. Then because you only got half way, you only need to get towed half way back to find a fuel station that has Hydrogen available. It's win win. Should be people flocking to buy it.

[@christophermarshall527]

Seems easier to move green energy around via wires than turning it into Hydogen. To me Hydrogen just seems a way to hang on to the past, and apparently not even doing that very successfully.

[@pinonnut]

Ok. I was bored of the H2 is no bueno topic, then at 8 minutes, you have those jokes,,, that made the video worth it. Bravo

[@nedywest71]

The clip you are showing of Gatwick airport recent fire is not relevant as this fire was caused by a DISEL vehicle.

[@frankcoffey]

The effort to rescue the fuel (something by the gallon) business will not end. We are going to be rolling our eyes at this crap for the next 100 years. No matter how silly they look to everyone else they will still keep doing it.

[@denofabsurdity]

Hydrogen vehicles will suffer from the same issues as EV’s: - price - infrastructure - range anxiety Why the entire industry can not figure this out is dang near criminal.

[@alexhu7939]

You are so wrong! EV had these challenges, and still have them in some countries! But, HV will never, NEVER, solve the problem of high pressure engine block and lack of refueling stations! I was involved in hydrogen combustion energy development 25 years ago. It has no future!

[@malcolmrickarby2313]

EVs have access to fuel everywhere. The distribution network was already built. Then high speed chargers were deployed strategically to solve range anxiety.🤔👍🏽

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Hydrogen is inherently more expensive than the electricity it's made from. There's your main hurdle.

[@douginorlando6260]

Short range road trip … run out of fuel … no recharge stations around = towed back home. The only hope for Hydrogen power is for local short range daily routes. But that’s where EVs have the greatest advantage. I applaud Toyota for exploring the possibility but it still needs a miracle breakthrough.

[@lufasumafalu5069]

nice solid state hydrogen battery

[@-whackd]

Sweet where do i fill it up

[@antegcabo]

Hydrogen already lost the race just because it's... HYDROGEN! It's good for bombs. And that's it.

[@malcolmrickarby2313]

And balloons 🎈🎈❤ hydrogen balloons 🎈🎈👍🏽😃

[@user-ci4cw1kn3k]

doesnt matter, you dont need to win. 80 million cars a year, if you can sell 500,000 and its a good thing. Tesla is in more trouble, it only sell EV. other car company can sell combustion, hybrid, ev.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

@@user-ci4cw1kn3k The world market for EVs is half the population NOW, and going up all the time. There might be 500,000 idiots who will buy a hydrogen car; there might not.

[@user-ci4cw1kn3k]

@@jamesvandamme7786 Bev is only around 14% now i think. i think people think bev would take everything but actually hybrid gain significant market share.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

@@user-ci4cw1kn3k Hybrids are half-assed EVs. Worst of both worlds. Hybrids and BEV are both taking market share away from gas ICE, but with chargers sprouting up and BEV costs coming down, hybrids will settle into a niche.

[@douglee5150]

Hydrogen is an utterly complete waste of time. What a misallocation of resources.

[@tgdomnemo5052]

... like that EVguy said : H2 , as a fuel , is a fools errand 🤦🏼

[@lancebeare8314]

Fusion might be ready for cars before hydrogen. 😂

[@kensmith5694]

You are right. Fusion is 20 years away and hydrogen power is 25 years away. I expect this to be the case for at least the next 50 years.

[@douginorlando6260]

Why did the hydrogen tank next to the rear bumper remind me of the gas tank location of the Pinto? 💥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@kensmith5694]

There is a physics/chemistry thing that makes is so that a hydrogen combustion engine will always suck. The combustion starts off with 2 each of the H2 molecules and one O2 and ends up this 2 H2O. This means that there are fewer molecules after combustion. The relationship between temperature volume and pressure is: PV = NRT P = Pressure V = Volume N = how many molecules R = a constant to make the units come out right T = Temperature in degrees K Notice that it doesn't care about the type of molecule. Thus fewer molecules makes for a lower pressure.

[@recurvearcher6542]

Hi Sam, thank you. You have to admire Toyota, in the face of EV sales increasing 50% each year world wide, (your own posts), to boldly go on this folly, oblivious or in denial of reality. Are we all missing something here, we all wish for cleaner forms of transport and openly embrace technology, but this appears to difficult to stomach. Great posts

[@chillfluencer]

Did you know that the fear of peanut butter sticking to the roof of one's mouth is being called "arachibutyrophobia"?

[@nedywest71]

I like you man :) Keep going :) Could you please say again but a little bit slow motion the "range of this engine" :) I could not get it when you said it twice so quickly :)

[@sompep1455]

this is a Hungarian example charging head per price cost: Establishment of a hydrogen filling station with a pressure of 700 bar project cost HUF 1.81 billion (EUR 4.7 million) per charging column, Installation of a 350 kw lightning charger 35 million forints (EUR 92,000), Construction of a 250 kW TESLA superchaiser HUF 8 million (EUR 21,000)!!!

[@sompep1455]

...Production and continuous delivery are not counted, and hydrogen compressors with a pressure of 700 bar also need electricity! :D

[@Igors_mind]

Thank you Sam. Precisely explained your issues about H2 😊, is in 3 videos. One by "Best in Tesla" by guy from Denmark, and couple videos by "Engineering Explained "

[@ramblerandy2397]

You can add the Fully Charged Plus video called, "How Clean is Hydrogen, Actually?" for easy answers to all things Hydrogen. Guess what? It's a waste of time and money.

[@brucegrimmett367]

Don't really understand Toyota continuing in this direction. In the US in many applications EV technology isn't where it needs to be to offer the best choice. However improvement in EV technology will solve those problems eventually. Cold weather, range and especially price are limiting factors that will have to be overcome. I don't know if EV vehicle fires occur very often, since they are usually spectacular and are lead story on local news even if it occurred 600 miles away. But a moderate commute and fueling at home, is tough to beat.

[@wlhgmk]

Excess energy is a temporary problem. Look up Pumped Storage, for instance. It is a highly underutilized energy storage system. Also batteries are getting better and better, particularly for static applications all the time. Leaving that aside, to drive a car a km it takes three times the generated energy if you go the Hydrogen rout than if you go the battery rout. Add to that, that the infrastructure already exists to transmit that renewably generated power to the charging station or your house while there is almost none to provide you with Hydrogen. H is a non starter. You would have to build three times as many wind turbines or install three times as many solar panels to provide energy for our domestic fleet via Hydrogen as you would need, going the battery rout.

[@matthewdriver334]

This is going to be one very expensive vehicle fuel, a lot more than petrol/diesel. It has no regen braking, low torque, the hydrogen may not come from renewal sources. It’s hard to see what the value proposition is for companies to buy this vehicle.

[@malcolmrickarby2313]

And in combustion engines it’s still got exhaust gases . It’s not just water vapour. It’s going to have nitrates and other compounds that will need expensive catalytic converters to prevent the irritant photochemical smog produced by internal combustion engines. 😊

[@MrFuckwit999]

The only way hydrogen vehicles would be practical would be if the manufacturers did what tesla did with their superchargers, i.e. built their own fuel supply network. But meanwhile EVs battery costs fall and capability improves. I suppose the money they've sunk into hydrogen vehicles is small change to these companies though.

[@tomooo2637]

Real engineering channel did an analysis of the energy density of compressed hydrogen and found that to get 300+ miles would require much of the car to be full of hydrogen.

[@jonathanfields4ever]

Their hydrogen race car has tanks floor to the ceiling from just behind the driver all the way to the rear, and it can only go 44km per tank. That’s racing conditions, but even if racing uses 10x as much energy as daily driving (it doesn’t), that’s only 440km. Absolutely pathetic.

[@elon-69-musk]

lool 😂

[@malcolmrickarby2313]

If the car was full of hydrogen,the passengers would have high pitched squeaking voices! 😅😂😂😊

[@MMLL369]

That would be like trying a B52 around town. LoL

[@tomooo2637]

@@malcolmrickarby2313 : that is helium.

[@lesliecarter4295]

In October 2021 a Toyota Mirai set record of 845 miles on one fill up of hydrogen and was verified by the Guinness book of records. 🧐

[@brushlessmotoring]

They got 845 miles out of it at 30 to 40 miles per hour. If you watch real world you tubers with Mirai's they are pretty pleased if they get 300 miles, and never see the rated 400. If you drive a Mirai at normal speeds (see 1001 cars recent Mirai videos, or Bjorn's 1000 km challenge) you cannot get much over 250 miles out of a second gen Mirai. Highway speeds in a sedan translate to typical town van efficiency in a large boxy vehicle. The Fuel Cell's efficiency gets worse as you draw more power, so as well as aero drag that all cars suffer from at speed, you also lose significant efficiency as the fuel cell has to work harder, there are white papers on this. Toyota could have solved so many of these problems if they had increased the size of the Mirai's 1.5kWh battery to 15kWh, and ideally, added a plug. Then they could have run the Fuel Cell at its most efficient (30 mph) load while drawing the rest from the battery for as long as possible, and kept running the fuel cell to charge the battery when stationary and not plugged in, people would have regularly posted 600 miles from normal users of Mirai's, and I think it would have sold better. But no. Toyota hates batteries and their explanations don't make sense. They are making almost no Prius plug in Primes for example. Having a plug in Mirai with 50 miles of EV range would also have made life a lot easier for people having trouble with hydrogen pricing and reliability in California (See Mirai Clubs videos)

[@lesliecarter4295]

@@brushlessmotoring thanks troll. Your FUD is noted for future reference.

[@brushlessmotoring]

@@lesliecarter4295 real world consumption at different speeds, not my video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4fbq5ePpZeFhbs You are lashing out and insulting random strangers for sharing public facts.

[@st-ex8506]

@@lesliecarter4295 Actually, what @brushlessmotoring wrote makes bloody good sense!

[@waynefergusson9987]

Seems that Successful in-wheel motor design and far more streamlined manufacturing processes that incorporate energy storage could really break the mold

[@CommentaryTeam1]

The other problem is combustion engine efficiency, which will never compete with electric motors. Electric motors convert over 85 percent of electrical energy into mechanical energy, or motion. Hydrogen ICE around 50% and gasoline ICE around 45% at the very best. There is simply no competition to EV technology. Electricity is simply far more efficient in converting power to useful work.

[@CommentaryTeam1]

Even if they solved all the problems with hydrogen engines discussed in this video, they would still not be cost competitive against the vastly more efficient electric motors. The law of thermodynamics is such, that you can only get so much power out of an internal combustion engine and the rest is wasted as heat.

[@drunvert]

I had a 1982 general Motors diesel Silverado by Chevy. It only had 140 horsepower but it had a lot of torque like this hydrogen engine. I had no problem towing. It did great off-road. The only thing it didn't have was a high top speed

[@kensmith5694]

With the right transmission, it is horse power that matters to towing. If your engine is able to make more horse power at a higher RPM then you shift down a gear. They have hooked the engine to many speed transmission. Horse power is what is going to matter.

[@drunvert]

@@kensmith5694 not low speed

[@kensmith5694]

@@drunvert Please explain why you think that. A transmission can let you trade away RPM to multiply up the torque. Consider two cases: 1) We have an engine that makes 100 pound-feet of torque at one RPM and above that torque falls faster than RPM increases. 2) We have an engine that makes 50 pound-feet of torque at 1000 RPM connect to a transmission with a 1000:1 ratio. Case one has 100 pound-feet of torque on the output shaft of its transmission. Case two has 50,000 pound-feet of torque at the output of its transmission. The two Transmissions have the same RPM on their output shaft.

[@eugeniustheodidactus8890]

*Not a single photo of this car online on fire?* _Hmmmmmmm...... you'd think that the media doesn't want us to see this._

[@coniow]

JCB in the UK have developed an Hydrogen Combustion engine, based on their Diesel units already in use, and they work. But, "Horses for Courses," they are designed for their PLANT machinery, where off-grid locations make BEV charging very difficult. Interesting that JCB have succeeded where Toyota seemingly have not. That said, JCB is a specialist market, and they are not trying to be "All Things To All Men" that Toyota wants to aim for. There is good reason for the saying: "You can please some of the people some of the time, but not ALL of the people ALL of the time."

[@Hoss4Blues]

Last I heard, Sandy Munro says no to H2 automobiles. I go with him.

[@dhincks1]

If you think a battery fire is bad, wait till you see the crater those hydrogen tanks create. & for the record, some BMW'S were banned from airport long-term parking because they catch on fire so often.

[@pascalbruyere7108]

My speculation about hybrids burning is: there are a lot more of them-> statistics the battery pack is much smaller so maybe the manufacturers pay less attention to its safety (less focus). The batteries may not be temperature controlled. Also the battery pack being small it may do more frequent and intense charge/ discharge?

[@fractalelf7760]

This hydrogen vehicle thing got started long ago and evolved from any practical consideration to being a public marketing bullet point. It is needlessly complex compared to EVs so it will never see the light of day.

[@Tschacki_Quacki]

I think they forgot to mention, why I would want one in the first place..... What's the advantage over an EV?

[@airparnes]

Excess energy from renewables to make hydrogen vs storing electricity to charge a battery. The cost/benefit seems better for the latter. Hydrogen is reminiscent of ethanol, a net negative energy source based on production energy inputs.

[@brunosmith6925]

I'm in The Okavango Swamps in my Hydrogen-powered Landcruiser. The nearest hydrogen is 93 million miles away. A herd of buffalo is stampeding towards me...

[@stigbengtsson7026]

If I remember correct, there was a person in Denmark who had problems with his fuel cell car, they had to change the fuel cell - the price of that repair $100 000

[@BigBen621]

Yes-kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHrVi3mJiallZtE. Meanwhile, the cost of replacing batteries in an EV is now

[@ariso]

Hydrogen is the ultimate renewable. The big piece missing is hydrogen production cost which will be solved once we have an abundance of solar and wind energy. The performance of the cars will improve over time and fueling station will as well.

[@teewizz6089]

Hi Sam, JCB in England has got a hydrogen engine running in backhoes now and I believe they intend to have hydrogen engines for their range of machines. Regards

[@morninboy]

Should only take a few weeks to build all the infrastructure.

[@jamespink4202]

Aside from building a network $2M hydrogen stations, can you imagine how high the car/van would be blown in the air when the 10,000 psi spun carbon fibre liquid hydrogen tank gets damaged on a kerb/rock/speed hump? And that's before it bursts into flames! 😱

[@sun-man]

Can't wait for my new hydrogen powered Toyota. It's called the Toyota 'Detonate'

[@steveoconnell3228]

The range sounds OK for getting you to the unemployment office😅

[@whowhy9023]

Exxon supports Hydrogen…

[@lowtech_1]

There actually looking in different rock structures, and there are actually deposits under ground Gold Hydrogen .

[@TKevinBlanc]

Exxon supports anything that will allow them to keep pumping and selling oil.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

@@lowtech_1 There's an inexhaustible supply of free hydrogen just 93M miles away.

[@francoischarbonneau9447]

I wonder why 🎉😂

[@casperhansen826]

They just closed all hydrogen fueling station in all the nordic countries (Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark) and a lot of them in Germany as well, it really isn't looking good for Hydrogen in Europe except EU wants hydrogen stations all over Europe, but it's not gonna happen

[@joergfeler351]

In the 80s we had public transport with hydrogen engines like that in Berlin. But the engines smelted after a while. Later on they gave up. Maybe Toyotas engines will last longer. But now it is 20 years to late.

[@humnpwr]

Great idea, only problem is hydrogen availability

[@jamesvandamme7786]

COST. Much higher than electricity.

[@DaMomento]

You are right This has similar complications like petrol We also have to use water wisely since not enough rainfalls in this century Carrying fuel again is not efficient and still costly Electric on the other hand is available everywhere once we have multi points connected everywhere We just need to make electricity cheaper and keep it cheap

[@Mrbfgray]

Enough water?! I thought rising sea levels were going to drown us all in about a week. Zero water is consumed, if it's electrolysis the water is broken down to O and H then recombine to make water again. It's just inefficient and uneconomic. When used in a foolcell it's more efficient but still rubbish, essentially a way expensive poorly performing battery.

[@alexlo7708]

Japan purchased fuel cell technology from Germany several years ago, in use on their lastest model submarine. Somehow Japan wants this tech to be repaid , So it tries to commercialize it. But if this is viable , German would have it done earlier than Japan for so long...

[@joem0088]

If a country has to put in H2 fuelling infrastrucutre, it might as well promote fuel cell cars like the Mirai . Why insist on the ICE with numerous moving parts ?

[@frbe0101]

Yeah so how do a fuel up this thing? Need a whole fuel manufacturing and distribution infrastructure that makes nation wide electric car charging stations look like candy bars!

[@mv80401]

Didn't the Japanese government back out of financing H2 fuel stations, at least to the extent they used to?

[@pascalbruyere7108]

With fuel cells you do a fair amount of km per kg of H2, but if your burn it, how many km do you go? As you said, very few. It’s very inefficient. H2 is not a very efficient to store solar energy. Burning H2 is probably the least efficient way to make a vehicle move.

[@JorgeLausell]

Hydrogen when we're in space and find ways to mine it off somewhere somehow. Obviously there'll be different gases, better suited gases too... so even then it might only be a niche product. I think it'll be useful in some space based industrial product or industrial process.

[@RedBatteryHead]

H2 production is the problem. Way to energy intensive as green. And way to depending on natural GAS for 95% of the production needs. And there is no excess energy. There are plants not shutting down!

[@michaelnomura5196]

Houses should have a fire place. A car should not have a fire place.

[@czhusky]

Just imagine spending all those resources and time on a technology that is never going to be put into practical use, at least the way they pictured it.

[@william2220]

Great! Now, where can i fill it...

[@jamesvandamme7786]

The nearest filling station to me is 400 miles. And it's $8 a gallon. If you live in the central USA, you have a little longer drive (1500 miles).

[@JJ-qs5zp]

The day I can install an H2 filling station in my garage that costs me ~$1 for a 100 km range I might be sold on the idea. I just never want to visit another inconvenient and expensive gas station in my life. Until then, my EV does all that and more, plus it's far less likely to explode. #Hindenburg

[@golfzaaaa]

Where on earth does NoX from burning hydrogen directly legal?

[@johnsilvester4367]

No mention of the reasion why we have not been driving around with hydrogen fueled combustion engine vehicles for the last 25 years. Combust hydrogen with pure oxygen and you get water. Combust hydrogen in air you get water and NOx. NOx is a pollutant. So no mention of how this pollutant is to be dealt with. The reason fuelcells were developed was to avoid NOx. So in addition to the problems you highlight these vehicles are not clean.

[@SuperMassman]

EV car manufacturers Never lie, neither do Petrol car manufacturers or Hydrogen car builders...so it's all good 😊👍

[@dennisheller333]

Just so you know, the Costco gas station near my house needs 7 gasoline tank trucks per day to keep it supplied and operating. The hydrogen station near the San Jose airport probably doesn’t have to fill 50 cars per day yet. Eventually it will.

[@user-de1fu4vi9s]

Sounds like they need a pipeline in that location.

[@effingsix3825]

I don’t think that the internal combustion engine will disappear. One technology that won’t change with the introduction of hydrogen as a fuel is the turbine engine, the only question is providing hydrogen in quantity. Enough hydrogen is apparently being found in geologic hydrogen, so much so that it makes electrolysis look futile. Geologic hydrogen is about $1 per kilogram to produce. I can’t see the piston engine being used for hydrogen. Perhaps Japan has uncovered geologic sources of hydrogen domestically, enough to replace fossil fuels?

[@tony2707]

Toyota only has to be smarter than their investors