TPOT 14's Possible Winner Retcon

[@APOYOSC]

Do you think this Winner theory works? Or do you have another theory in mind? ...or do you think I'm overthinking this and it's plain simply a retcon-

[@stevenmosco20]

That would explain why winner still has burn marks

[@LupusFuse]

Another explanation that I can think of is that the lava didn’t kill winner in tpot 5, something else in the lava did

[@Some_guy_whos_here]

.e whenthe

[@OUnicox]

maybe after he died from the lava at Tpot 5 his body created a mechanism that adapts to that temperature, making him immune to the lava.

[@MustafaAnimates2008]

It’s probably dependant on the temperature of the lava, the higher the temperature is, the more likely winner is to die

[@yeollwfaec3010]

Maybe it's a psychological effect: Like, if Winner is prepared to fall in lava, Winner will survive (E14) But if the lava encounter is unexpected, Winner dies (E5) Thanks for reading my yapping :)

[@utubeiskaren7796]

That seems like the most likely explanation

[@sg_6363]

Yeah

[@Cubixander]

@@utubeiskaren7796 maxe sense

[@windowstudios45]

Because they always win!

[@nd_4786]

they didn't expect to be burned by pillow in tpot 13 and they were fine

[@ryanasaurasisgood]

Maybe it’s just the writers twisting logic just for the plot. But if this was a real ability, I hope this is used more in TPOT.

[@Mr-Hi-9051]

That doesn’t make sense, you can’t just twist logic in a story just to make something happen, that is just bad writing

[@SHAFTPLAYET]

But he died in tpot 5

[@Mr-Hi-9051]

@@SHAFTPLAYET I’m not defending JNJ, I actually don’t like the current state of the show

[@funnyyellowface4823]

If you remember in BFDI 1b, Teardrop didn't like connect in with the Canal when she went in it, tho in TPOT 5 she did, idk, maybe it's just them actually coming up with new ideas?? Or maybe it's that in TPOT 5 when Winner fell in the lava, the others fell on him causing him to suffocate, but maybe that doesn't make sense, idk, the writers sometimes makes the show not make any sense

[@Buri_is_a_Biscuit]

you say this like “twisting logic for the plot” is totally fine

[@acekingbones]

I like to consider Winner’s material as being similar to that of fiberglass, which has a melting point of up to 1,300°F, the lava that is exposed to the outside air is around the same temperature, so it’s possible that Winner’s material is slightly more fire-resistant than real-life fiberglass, just enough to withstand lava, but not enough to survive underground magma, which is a bit hotter at around 2,000°F.

[@bubblestarbunny108]

Oh Fiberglass kinda makes sense actually!

[@foxliasgriffinYT]

yes, its clear the lava did damage his surface but not enough to kill him

[@fernandostrodrigues1]

But in the Wiki It says he is made out of "Winner substance"

[@davie53]

But then later in TPOT 14 they get submerged in underground magma after the drill and everyone else in it melts

[@nnoxie.a]

why did youtube put a link to "melting" and not "fiberglass" lmao

[@WS48L]

Winner was sick during tpot 5 so they had their non-lava resistant twin Wonner fill in for them

[@MeLikeChezBurgers]

obviously

[@koriffy]

OML WONNER HAHAHA😭😭😭

[@korboisnotok]

Or maybe it's their other sibling "Runner-up"

[@xissick8sucks]

aah yes wonner!

[@Itskaidaorangeguy2017]

…wonner?? 😨😭

[@flummarington]

the idea of a character adapting to extreme conditions from exposure does sound really cool, if its true i hope they explore this more with winner in other situations

[@Pik-Productions]

"Im not a cloud, im Winner!"

[@lizzylinks789]

Winner's gender is winner

[@TobiasClips7734]

@@lizzylinks789It’s actually non binary

[@lizzylinks789]

@@TobiasClips7734 i know i was just joking pea brain

[@ItsTops]

@@TobiasClips7734”actually” ☝️🤓

[@TobiasClips7734]

@@ItsTops lmao

[@GwapoKaayo100]

Bro drank the fire resistant potion

[@LollipopIllustrations]

Lolll fr tho

[@Lester_15]

00:34 not the vsauce sound 😂

[@Eljeirobloxgames]

or is it🤔

[@Lester_15]

​@@Eljeirobloxgameswhen we look at the sound it does sound heavily similar to the vsauce sound, but it is simply one MOLECULE different, theres an INSANELY SMALL CUT TO THE SOUND before it finishes making it SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT

[@Jasperkelleyone]

The song is called Moon men

[@Itskaidaorangeguy2017]

I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought about this …but another possible reason could be because the lava’s not as hot because it’s… outside?? Idk man

[@chachingfr]

The Lava shouldn't change whether its underground or in a volcano, at least not enough for winner to be able to swim in it with minimal injuries (800 to 1200 degrees celcius you guys, THATS hot)

[@lizzylinks789]

​@@chachingfr winner is built different. But so is every bfdi character really

[@metal_pipe9764]

​@@chachingfr they just have a high melting point.

[@Itskaidaorangeguy2017]

@@chachingfr well, how about this, the lava shown here is 800 degrees, the lava underground is 1200, and winner’s melting point is around 1100. Wouldn’t that work? Edit: I see a comment below mine saying something similar

[@chachingfr]

@@Itskaidaorangeguy2017 true that most likely would work, but tpot 5 winner died to the lava almost as quick as their other teammates while tpot 14 winner was able to swim in it half the challenge so they'd PROBABLY still die (or maintain serious burn marks) if thats in mind

[@derekhansj]

Maybe it would be cool if the closer winner gets to victory, the stronger the winner “material” is, like because winner’s guarenteed placement in the game is slowly getting better since they haven’t been eliminated yet, the material they are made of becomes stronger.

[@ScottishProductionsYT]

That actually makes sense

[@Memphjs]

funny idea tbh

[@ScottishProductionsYT]

@@Memphjs wait wouldn’t that mean the opposite for loser? Because he is very popular pre split but in post split he performs horribly

[@michaelafton1714]

@@ScottishProductionsYT bro this also make sense

[@TotalPogoGuy]

That last image was too wild for me to say anything about your theory APOY.

[@L1M1T_11]

Same

[@Roobee15]

Oh! Definitely a nice theory! I never really thought about tha- 1:28 GGGGGYYYYYYAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTT

[@GreenCoin24]

"Idle hands are the devil's workshop!" -😈 2024

[@ChadCoin1]

If you look at the fumes made by Pencil,Donut and Pillow when they fell you can see that Winner didn't have any fumes when they fell into the lava. This makes me think that Winner's body might have a connection to the air that makes them immune, as in TPOT 5, Winner didn't really fall into lava but just dug right into it, while TPOT 14 Winner fell for a good 3 seconds before going into the lava, sorry for the essay.

[@YusukeKitagawaReal]

Winner is non binary btw

[@ChadCoin1]

@@YusukeKitagawaReal ik just edited

[@Lazy_loaf.]

I think they just drowned the first time.

[@APOYOSC]

That IS a possibility!! Although it's a bit funny to fall in lava and like drown in it, not burn LOL

[@djotta11]

they did stay in lava for a long amount of time in tpot 14, plus coiny and naily were in lava for a whole month or more in bfb 14-15

[@Plushman835]

@@APOYOSC but wait Winner did not drown from the volcano tho

[@ContradictoryKevin]

​@@Plushman835 I think there was less compression there. A stretch, but it’s a possible explanation, because I really like this possibility, it's funni

[@MrIdiot-e7z]

They were in the lava for 1 sec Lately they were in there for like a few minutes

[@MirFor1]

Maybe it’s an ability that winner has to turn on? All the instances in Tpot 14 he could have already knew lava was coming. When they were digging he probably wasn’t expecting lava to be there

[@endstoneninja3845]

That’s probably the explaination

[@EnzoBomby]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[@Sanjay.2133]

Yeah, probably just like Rocky and his acid vomit

[@ddlcfan2763]

Winner isn't a boy

[@Guy-kk5sn]

@@ddlcfan2763he is

[@acolmeiafelizDT]

1:28 APOY got T H I C C lol

[@smileyboyo4246]

I put the new forgis on the jeep

[@AhhBullyCreep_Roblox_Official]

He's got the buns

[@sophiamenezessilva5018]

0:07 *I SAID CAREFUL!!!!!!! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!*

[@ShockRox]

uhhuueh uweeuh

[@jadesmation]

Cut it out!

[@WollyCrusader]

Roll credits!

[@Pingu_Todd]

-DING-

[@beebowserjr93]

Pillow: Shake that Bridge! Winner: Yeah Yeah Yeah! Pencil: *AAAAAAAGH!!!*

[@CCABPSacsach]

Ok, so it’s like how heating glass up really fast, for example, causes it to explode. But when you heat the glass really slowly and evenly, it doesn’t explode, merely expanding

[@PlatinumComet]

My theory is that Winner is simply built different. :)

[@BecksterHoorhen]

Built like bricks

[@yoxes7560]

I did some research and they might be bornite, a mineral that’s in the temperature range of surface lava and is relatively soft and colourful

[@kgratia4748]

Bornite? Cool.

[@jaydenaustin9119]

Heres my theory :) In tpot 5, winner was shown to be digging down through the crust of the Earth. Assuming that winner's arm is really good at digging, he could have possibly reached the top layer of the Earths mantle where practically any material could melt. Even if he didn't reach the mantle, winner definitely looked like he was deeper in the Earth conpared to in tpot 14 when he was really only in the throat/ vent of that volcano. TL:DR I think it all really comes down to how deep winner was in the earth in tpot 5, compared to in tpot 14.

[@Baconz101]

This is a great concept, another idea would be that when winner dies they lose their adaptations, so when winner is able to survive something the substance is able to build a resistance

[@psychoshot9028]

To be fair, this is like the plot hole in BFB 20 where the Have Cots were struggling to breathe in space at the start of the episode despite how all of its members have been to space before and some point and breathed in it without any issue. It could just be the case that whoever wrote this episode simply forgot Winner isn't immune to lava which would make this a moment of plot induced stupidity.

[@DragoVideo]

Winner is a non-Newtonian fluid, hear me out, non-Newtonian fluids become solid under pressure, winner is sentient so emotional pressure could also affect him, in the clip where winner dies by lava, he is happy, therefore under no stress, in the other two clips winner is frightened and/or annoyed/angry, therefore under some pressure, technically non-Newtonian fluids don’t get more durable when under pressure, however, winner could be a mixture of multiple materials, like most non-Newtonian fluids are (at least to my knowledge) meaning that the fluid part could just be water that evaporates with the other material being dissolved within it meaning winner would die in water, but under stress, the other material that makes it act like a solid could be a heat resistant material, holding winner entirely together while winner is under stress in his solid form, and acting as a heat shield and, if it a metallic substance, dissipating the heat away from the water, this metal substance could be yoyle-ite as it has many unknown properties and the few we do know could match up well.

[@among_usproboy]

0:17the bridge:GET OUT🗣🗣🗣

[@toasty_12379]

Real

[@BookeymationsYEAAAH]

Maybe they are adapting to the magma but yeah its kinda odd, unless this is simply a retcon

[@CheekyGrinzz]

It's a good theory, plus I'm sure that the contestants are brought back to their form before being seriously injured/dying. Bomby exploded as a purple bomb but was brought back as purple. Woody also still has his missing chip, but that was before the show/competion began. It's a confusing thought because I remember Woody losing his dent & tangerine coloring post-split since he died. Maybe the recovery center only keeps things that don't seem like injuries. However, this doesn't excuse the tangerine juice. Recovery Centers are the real Retcons, I guess.

[@stuffposter9011]

That gives me another interesting idea... what if Winner's body just simply adapts to different environments? Obviously that wouldn't prevent them from being crushed or pulled apart, but maybe their body recognizes something and becomes stronger idk

[@Scorp1E0n]

So after searching for 30 seconds it’s possible that obsidian is the material that winner is made of

[@marvinmiller2983]

Let's also not forget how sometimes the characters can breathe in space and sometimes they can't

[@thegamehahayoulostthegame3549]

Call me delirious but this feels like it was made thinking about Dora, as in, the episode being sort of written pre TPOT 13, keeping the volcano plot as a scenario where she got to rejoin, then when that didn’t happen they reused it anyways and gave lava proof-ness to another character. Just a delirious thought from a Dora fan though.

[@meatsona]

no one’s talking about that bottom at the end

[@FandomousBeginningReboot]

Here’s my theory on this topic: Winner in episode 5 died, yes, but it wasn’t evolution that kept him alive in episode 14, rather, it was the temperature difference. Of course, Two probably made the volcano’s lava hot enough to still kill most of the cast, but accidentally not enough to kill winner, but In turn, when winner fell into the lava, which wasn’t made by two, and part of our earth, Winner died because the temperature was hot enough to kill winner. Of course, this means that winner has probably the highest heat resistance of a character that’s not fire or metal (or Davidian cause that’s what Dora is), but still is not able to surpass objects made of metal/fire, Davidians & Algebralians. Thank you for listening to my Ted talk. :)

[@APersonThatIsMe]

I don’t see why they didn’t use Yellow Face to survive. He’s never died in lava, (from my memory) unless he did in BFB 14 or 15. It would’ve made more sense. Sure, he ordered the van which knocked Planty off the volcano, pretty much causing the win, but I think it would’ve been a better idea for Yellow Face to get the flag. He was in the bottom two last time he was up for elimination so it possibly could’ve saved him.

[@theofficialliedetector1545]

He did die in BFB 14

[@lorenzorafael4600]

Maybe it’s the fast temperature change in TPOT 5,from a likely cold and windy beach,directly to intense lava,and Winner was around some hot temperatures before going into the lava in TPOT 14,so his body adapted

[@peppermint_animation]

Fun fact: There was a theory about what Loser and Winner were, I think it was about Loser being a gem and Winner being Blueberry ICE CREAM.

[@Lautyrr]

I feel like, just to patch the plot hole, Winner would actually only be sensitive to heat below surface level. All heat above such levels would be enough for them to tolerate.

[@screechyhere]

i was thinking the substance becomes more immune over time but this is a better theory

[@мадд]

Don't forget that pencil died in lava there but in the bfdia 1 she was flaming and she was ok

[@granty3796]

that was supposed to be a gag, like leafy turning out to be football

[@мадд]

@granty3796 this was still canon, because it's happened not in someone's imagination

[@granty3796]

@@мадд it's just a one-off gag, it's not canon.

[@мадд]

@@granty3796 why you saying it like if everything from bfdi and bfdia is not canon?

[@Blue_Boy_Official]

​@@мадд I don't think you understand the argument here. A gag feat would be something that, canon or non-canon, is only occurring because the writers thought it would be funny or something along those lines. The character wouldn't normally be able to do that, but they can for the purpose of the joke. Now that I'm thinking about it, that could be why Winner died in TPOT 5 but is resistant in future episodes, it could've been a gag feat that doubled as an anti-feat (A character being weaker than they're meant to be).

[@BreabCat]

I’m guessing over time their material “aged” to the point where it’s fire resistant

[@FirePatYT]

Maybe he has a fireproof body, but in TPOT 5, his body was wet? Because of water and maybe because of that he lost his fireproof, he was just wet

[@jaxthebax05]

I'm pretty sure winner is a pile of periwinkle fluff

[@yinyangyt8749]

They could have forgotten. But it would be nice if there was a canon possibility. Like Winner’s body is sometimes immune and sometimes not

[@Lolsus4u]

Maybe it could have something to do with temperature. It’s known that the deeper underground you go, closer to the earth’s core, the hotter it gets, so my theory is the he higher up the lava is, the better Winner’s body can handle it

[@wirotechompoo6742]

Winner is an ice cream

[@PopEwLair]

that ending made me put the new forgis on my jeep to drive into the bloody bottoms underneath

[@efl2000]

The ending is crazy💀

[@The48thbaconz]

APOYATT

[@Foxvibes942]

GYATT

[@kgratia4748]

Wow, TopHatTheHat animates the greatest scenes in BFDI:TPOT

[@DavidIsCawl]

My theory is that winner can only sustain certain types of fire, aka fire… For example, in TPOT 5, it looked like winner was closer to the earth's core, aka where lava is the hottest. Which is why he died However, in TPOT 14, he only fell into a volcano, which might include an type of lava that winner's body can sustain, basically, winner's body is like fiberglass.

[@tigrsall9056]

If it that winner would says "I'm immune to heat now... Next up is rat poison :)"

[@freybear8457]

That was lava at the core so it’s super duper heated but the magma in volcano is seen to take its time when it melts spongy so it’s plausible that winner has a minor temperature resistance

[@lucasalmeida763]

So over the episodes, Winner has just become lava-proof, huh?

[@kaspiang6696]

OR winner didn't die in tpot 5 but died to a lava fish monster!!1!

[@aidencruse8891]

Loser dying to lava went from 0 to 100 fast. The fire he was in and lived was from 25 to 75. And the volcano incident was a 75 to 100 since being on the volcano must be hot already. Loser can survive small changes to external temperatures while dying to high and fast changes. (Numbers aren't real, but examples/estimations).

[@Spleb-g4q]

I think winner can just turn the immunity to lava on and off and in topt 5 they were just not prepared for the lava.

[@mrlampy]

It could also be that the magma under the earth’s crust is capable of melting winner whilst further up (where it’s cooler) it can’t

[@toddimations6028]

Taco has been able to swim through lava before. For winner, this is nothing. I mean, what’s the thing made of, anyway? Blue mashed taters? I don’t know, you tell me!

[@Markpro96animationsOSC]

I think Winner used a potion fire resistance for surviving the lava

[@guestmen]

Winner is a cool guy

[@oliver_editzz61]

Be thankful they didn’t have a red dot that when melted, turns them evil

[@iashiash716]

go go gadget lavaproof winner

[@IVoteForFlowerSheSavedTheShow]

Smothered by a pillow in your bed, [A] gluten overdose from too much bread! Flower saved the show!

[@NotPixelGT]

Maybe Winner's lava/fire immunity is a commanded thing? Since they didn't see it coming in TPOT 5, they didn't have time to enable the ability, while in every other scene AFTER TPOT 5 that includes them in flames, they were looking directly at the situation coming towards them, and could brace themself.

[@spacebitboy5945]

Thats what im thinking

[@buno7089]

Maybe it’s the time of lava, the lava in Tpot 5 might have been to hot for winner to handle but Tpot 14 lava might be fine for Winner since it’s near a cold mountain

[@Manisphesto]

My Explaination: They were cold...

[@boxfullery]

good theory for what might have just been the writers forgoring!

[@primodesmile634]

Tpot5 lava and tpot14 lava are way different in terms of temperature the lava in tpot5 and bfdia13 are a special substance that melts anything which is a gateway to the underworld/hell that coiny went to bring back pin while tpot5 lava and bfb15 lava have been cooled by the surface and isn’t as hot which explains why dora,winner and saw can swim through it

[@martinflores2524]

Apoy, in the episode he died because a "lava dragon" and he was recovered. Then he went to the lava

[@lioN1313yn]

Maybe that weird tomato they ate at the beginning of the show was anti-Heat resistant? It started to kick in after dying in lava for the first time.

[@Judoblueyneighbor]

Everyone: HOLY CRAP WE ARE GONNA DIE Pillow: yay death

[@RareTacoBACK]

I think his ability to be immune to hot stuff is enabled on his own, during TPOT 5 he wasn’t focused and died. But in TPOT 14 he was more like focused and prepared, and in the van thing he got a heads up so he enabled it and survived.

[@sibeluysal8370]

my theory is that in tpot 7, winner secretly grabbed an item that made them immune to lava/fire

[@EpickGamer6920]

Here's my theory: Remember when Rocky barfed into the volcano when he got eliminated in TPOT 8? Well, the barf could have made the lava not as strong, but still strong enough to kill everyone except Winner.

[@theopoldthegamer4284]

Now we have to figure out how everyone is somehow able to sink in lava

[@Gamewithdean7YT]

My theory is The scene in TPOT 5 where The S dies in da lava and winner dying to was uncannon or... Since winner is a substance he changed color to act dead. But got eaten by that lava monster thats how he died

[@insert2006]

I don't see how they died in lava in TPOT 5 but actually survived the lava in TPOT 14 just because they're fire proof in TPOT 13, it makes actual no sense

[@boyonocerus2763]

If you look closely, his body is a little deformed which could mean he’s still adapting

[@lanecollins0806]

If this theory is true then it means winner could possibly build an immunity to anything and be immortal. Like, cold temps, high falls, sharp objects and more

[@BFB-pc2vo]

How nobody talk about how Ice Cube died in water I. Tpot 5 but survived it in Bfdi 8

[@tjautomatin4145]

Yellow facing being squishy is probably gonna be a a running gag isn't it

[@nopresupuestosad]

You made me noticias the fact that the og bfdi scream doesn't play until clock falls into the lava, maybe winner died in another way not lava related

[@ThePlanet_7]

Maybe the lava in Ep5 had a higher temperature that surpassed winner's melting point. M a y b e.

[@thetureplayer9991]

There don’t have theory guys it is just because Winner forgot he isn’t immune to lava

[@believeballroomdancecentre4513]

I believe winner has an ability to become fireproof, in that one bib episode she wasn’t expecting the lava so she didn’t actually use it, but since she was in a volcano she decided to use it just incase, and in tpot 13 when she got set on fire, fire doesn’t instantly kill someone so she had enough time to use it before dying!

[@RobertoDeMundo]

Maybe the lava was just hot

[@YelloShirt]

I kinda felt like sometime after TPOT 5, Winner learned how to survive lava.

[@FirstMini]

Well, BFDI realism upgrades every episode, Like every time the contestants go to space, they can breathe, but in BFB 20, they can no longer breathe there. Other example is that in bfdia, none of the characters need air to breathe, because they were underwater, but in tpot it was totally the opposite.

[@Peashooter3333]

You’re a genius!

[@MrIdiot-e7z]

Nobody dosent really mention this But the lava that Winner dies in seems less hot and the other lava is more hotter This makes your theory actually work

[@TheGardener_BFDI]

I never knew winner was fireproof

[@Agular_2000]

Winner is actually a pile of periwinkle fluff with noticable dark splotches

[@etelshin]

osc youtuber: *casually uploads a new episode* apoy: NEW EPISODE DROPPED IMMA MAKE 4-5 VIDEOS ABOUT IT IN 1 DAY *huffs and puffs*

[@Brandangaming-j8i]

He felt in fire so much that he gained a resistance to it

[@hasnagul6202]

so if given some time winner can adapt? that feels oddly familiar

[@cantmakeacreativename2072]

I do like the idea of characters having unique creative powers and abilities. It felt a bit cheaty that it was mainly Teardrop that could do so before, now the physics of characters are being more utilized, like Snowball getting bigger with more snow, Yellow Faces ad world, or even Tree growing into a much larger version of himself (granted that feels less like an ability that he can control, but eh). It makes things more interesting, especially in a team perspective. All that to say, if this is an actual retcon, then I’m fine with it cause it gives Winner some interesting usability.

[@number1fannyfan]

Winner can absorb things (Tomato in tpot 1) so its possible he absorbed tpot 13 fire and grew heat immunity because of it

[@N32B70]

I guess it's because of that purple tomato that Two gave to Winner, it has side effects that can make people lava-proof I guess it just needed to take a while for the side effects to actually work.

[@mrbeanislife]

lava can vary in temperatures so i think it just depends on how hot the lava is

[@malakIscuter]

Maybe winner did survive in tpot 5 but killed himself offscreen cuz he had no way to go