Is it time for all religions to accept evolution?

BBC One - 13 January 2013
Nicky Campbell presides over a special debate recorded at the Harris Academy in Peckham, asking just one Big Question: Is it time for all religions to accept evolution as fact?
Amongst those taking part are: Matt Ridley, author of Genome; the geneticist, Professor Steve Jones; Rev Greg Haslam, senior pastor at Westminster Chapel; Dr Steve Lloyd from Biblical Creation Ministries; Inayat Bunglawala, chair of Muslims4UK; Rev Dr Malcolm Brown, director of mission and public affairs of the Church of England; Dr Robert J Asher, a paleontoloist from Cambridge University; the sociologist Professor Linda Woodhead from Lancaster University; Imam Abdullah Hasan from Neeli Mosque and Islamic Centre; Professor Steve Fuller, sociologist, Warwick University; Mohamed Ali Harrath, founder of The Islam Channel; Pastor Marjorie Esomowie, Triumphant Church International; and Adam Deen, executive director of the Deen Institute.

[@CaptainDooDoo-ans]

No, it's not time religions accepted evolution. It's time religions accepted there are no gods.

[@cmcrumley]

Look I'm the first to say that religious devotees are not logical people but what you just said is equally dishonest and illogical. You will not find ONE serious and credible scientist that will tell you that there is no "god", with god being defined as an intelligence. They will tell you that they do not know if god exists because they do not know what created the big bang. There are theories about other dimensions or multiverses but as of now those are not able to be measured or experienced and so there is no evidence to support those theories just as there is no evidence to support a godly intelligence. Lets say we were able to prove that we are simply living in a simulation, which is a legitimate theory. There would still be the question of what created that simulation. Did it come from some natural mechanistic process or was it created? It is an unknown and so you cannot say there is no god because it cannot be proven otherwise. You can say, however, that the god of the bible as well as Islam and the Greek gods and many others does not exist as proven models of reality make the models of reality in the bible impossible. You can prove that man was not created separate from all other life 10,000 years ago and so you can prove that the biblical account is incorrect.

[@raffertyrocket7341]

cmcrumley I created the big bang.

[@johnadams57]

well, accepting evolution is a helluvah nice start :) but the falling apart religion entirely is a wet dream

[@CaptainDooDoo-ans]

cmcrumley Scientists will say they can't say there is no god because they, like you, can't prove a negative and not because they can't say what caused the Big Bang. You are right, in that they don't know what caused the Big Bang, but that has nothing to do with the question of god. As for living in a simulation, for that to be a 'theory', requires supporting evidence that explains why we are living in a simulation. So what is your supporting evidence? One minute you say it's not possible to claim a god does not exist, the next minute you are claiming a bunch of gods YOU don't believe in don't exist. Here is why I don't believe any gods have ever existed: The bible proves itself false with over 400 contradictions There is no historical evidence for Jesus There is no archaeological evidence for 40yrs in the desert The Noah flood story is impossible / other ancient flood stories have no Ark No god has ever appeared to the masses, only claimed private appearances There is more than one religion and factions can’t agree Religious propaganda (preaching) is for the sole purpose of promotion of that religion Scientific enquiry has explained the natural world Exponents of the supernatural are all proven fraudulent ever since video and audio devices exist We have historical recorded evidence for the invention of religions by men.(Mormonism/Scientology/Islam/Hillsong) There are no cave drawings with dinosaurs! There are no cave drawings with biblical themes The word ‘faith’ exists There is the same amount of evidence for unicorns & fairies as there is for Allah. Fucking none! We can prove all positives but we can’t prove a negative - therefore God is a negative How many people would believe in and obey some unproven deity if there was no penalty not to? Since my physical dead body, my flesh won’t actually be accompanying me to Hell, what’s going to burn? If god created humanity, animals and plants and loves his ‘life’ so much…why did he create death? The God Mithra or Mitra was known 1500 years BEFORE Christ! Here is a list of characteristics that were poached to assemble the Jesus myth: Mithra was born on December 25th of the virgin Anahita. The babe was wrapped in swaddling clothes, placed in a manger and attended by shepherds. He was considered a great traveling teacher and master. He had 12 companions or "disciples." He performed miracles. As the "great bull of the Sun," Mithra sacrificed himself for world peace. He ascended to heaven. Mithra was viewed as the Good Shepherd, the "Way, the Truth and the Light," the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah. Mithra is omniscient, as he "hears all, sees all, knows all: none can deceive him." He was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb. His sacred day was Sunday, "the Lord's Day," hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ. His religion had a eucharist or "Lord's Supper." Mithra "sets his marks on the foreheads of his soldiers." Mithraism emphasized baptism.

[@cmcrumley]

Unholy Alliance I actually meant hypothesis, not theory, and its called the hypothesis of simulated reality. Why are you listing off all of the examples of incongruity in the bible? Did you even read my post? I clearly said that biblical portrayals of god are not possible! My point was that you cannot show evidence that makes the existence of god impossible! You can actually prove a negative, there are mathematical proofs that prove negatives.

[@yesukheich6134]

fact that the we are discussing this in 21st centiry is depressing

[@mikesimonian990]

you can get moral philosophy from Hinduism, Buddhism, Jesus Aesops fables, Confucius, etc... but to take the crazy creation stories litterally is beyond rediculous.

[@SoulFlavor18]

I need depression pills every time I listen to bright people talking about this

[@MrWatchowtnow]

Almost as depressing as , when I think about the scientists working on diseases as bio weapons , Or the nightmare they created thru the use of Nuclear energy...that kind of depressing? or the kind of depressing when your whole family dies , and you are ready to give up , but you have something happen you cant explain , and in fact mock? This then saves that persons life and they forever KNOW you are the fool.

[@mikesimonian990]

+Reggie Watchowtnow sooo what is relevant about your comment? did your family all die? if so then that is truly sad

[@TjamVideoMan]

We are scarcely out of SLAVERY. Not even 100 years when I was born in the 50’s and STILL, 60+ more years later and some people think it was a good thing and we should go back to it. Some people in the south still want to secede!!!

[@diograciasdecina5155]

The beauty of Athiesm is that, nobody gets beheaded or stoned to death or thrown into a lake of fire for not adhering to what we intellectually believe. Period!

[@rocky821]

In hinduism you can be an atheist you won't go to hell neither people will behead you, infact its the only religion the gives this freedom. atheist hindus are called nasik 🕉

[@nickm3577]

Tell that to mass murderers such as Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot.

[@muhammedali9919]

What's freedom

[@sandeep_reddy22]

Oh then ur talking about my religion.. Hinduism.. We don't use religion to it.. But similar views

[@Die4youtoo]

You don’t have the evidence for your belief to be true for all… neither do Hindus have evidence that they’ve been reincarnated from some other life form. Albeit, I have seen a addict totally transformed, a different man altogether from his former self, he said he was “born again” Christian and I believed him and his testimony of reincarnation in this lifetime. Yes the logic of the change in this man was full rounded and accounted for -unlike any religion being born into the “Body of Christ” overwhelms with existential meaning.

[@RD-dn7yv]

Creationist 1 - "Information is not derived from dead matter " - Creationist 2 - "God made Adam from mud and clay."

[@i.f7032]

Becuase God is spirit When god created adam The information came from god to the mud.

[@RD-dn7yv]

@@i.f7032 I nearly spat my beer out when I read your reply. Where is your evidence for this? Don't say the bible. Offer credible and checkable facts.

[@shroomer8294]

“Dead matter” Matter itself is alive? Fucking creationists.

[@saimtanweer5720]

Humans have immaterial soul also which just uses the body to perform work

[@RD-dn7yv]

@@saimtanweer5720 evidence please - not the koran or the bible, evidence.

[@MOTOmunchies_420cc]

It's time to tax churches and put the money into mental health

[@marcuscameron8274]

Or just better programmes in general, such as healthcare and education

[@fchiang7190]

True. If there’s no profit in churches. There won’t be this kind of fighting

[@Rayblondie]

So can we tax the mosques as well?

[@omartabikh3959]

And also the poor and needy

[@2fast2block]

@Michael Brown , you took the words right out of my mouth. Great job!

[@tenor001grande8]

It is very difficult to intelligently respect adults who are convinced that the Earth is 6000 years old.

[@flamingrobin5957]

pride makes alot of things difficult. like learning

[@jacinta0002]

Why would you even attempt to intellectually respect them?

[@Station9.75]

Fucking impossible more like.

[@kyled9451]

Tenor001 Grande You do know not every Christian is a young earth creationist right?

[@Station9.75]

Kyle D - He didn't say they are...

[@philkilgallon3852]

Imagine you have a severe pain in your stomach and consult 100 doctors: 99 doctors say you have cancer, 1 says you have trapped wind and that's the one you go with.....that is these apologists in a nutshell.

[@mrterrific2323]

I can't help laughing 😂😂😂 at the argument of the religious guys.

[@adriangeh6414]

They're so adorable whenever they invoke their all-powerful creator santa claus.

[@johnnycash578]

ITS SO ABSURD THESE PEOPLE ARE CREEPY AND SO DUMB

[@jeremykientz]

One doesn’t ‘believe’ in evolution... you either understand it or you don’t.

[@ExtantFrodo2]

Much like gravity.

[@truethinker221]

@@ExtantFrodo2 People use different definitions ?

[@ExtantFrodo2]

@@truethinker221?

[@Rayblondie]

Mmm the facts are hidden and only revealed to the understanding. That is a cop out. Lots of scientists do not believe it either. So take your pick.

[@ExtantFrodo2]

@@Rayblondie Not all scientists are biologists. Of all the biologists in the world, only an insignificant handful have any doubt about evolution being a fact.

[@Thatonedude917]

I'm excited for the next episode, "Is it time for all religions to accept gravity?"

[@numbersix9477]

+Thatonedude917 --- Excellent!

[@mysund]

+Thatonedude917 intelligent falling has disproved it years ago.

[@jonahconner1111]

+Thatonedude917 Right after "Is it time for all religions to accept that germs cause illnesses?"

[@numbersix9477]

+Jonah Conner " Right after "Is it time for all religions to accept that germs cause illnesses?"" --- No, no, no, no, no! Babies, butterflies puppies and flowers were all intelligently designed. Pathogenic organisms just happened.

[@humanguillotine5615]

+Thatonedude917 I'm waiting for "is it time for all religions to accept reality"

[@leoak]

Never argue with a fool. They’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with religious quotes 😂

[@Rayblondie]

The fool has said in his heart there is no God. A bible quote.

[@leoak]

@@Rayblondie I don't care about what's found in Christianity's favourite novel, nor their mythology.

[@drakocarrion]

@@Rayblondie If even the fool gets it, what the fuck is your problem?

[@lvgxc10]

‘There is no refutation of Darwinian evolution in existence. If a refutation were to ever come about, it would come from a scientist not an idiot’

[@arthurhunt642]

These religious beliefs are all crazy irregardless of denomination. The racist Evangelicals for Trump is one example.

[@cheekybum6136]

@@arthurhunt642 or the rapist sympathisers for bill Clinton

[@cheekybum6136]

I mean evolution isn’t exactly a fact it’s just a generally agreed upon principle of how humans came about. It’s perfectly rational to assume it isn’t right like why do we have the same bone in are arse like an ape does cause we had a tail or because the bone has to be there or just is there?

[@lvgxc10]

@@cheekybum6136 For the sake of this upload there is far more evidence for evolution than what religion tries to sell… Man made from dust Woman from mans rib and animals appeared from the ground when God was sitting in the garden of eden 6000 years ago

[@cheekybum6136]

@@lvgxc10 sure bud but I could say monkey turns body to human cause bones look similar because we don’t know what other reason

[@sirrus3009]

"The difference between scientists and you is that we're willing to change our minds". This sums up the whole debate

[@johnsheedy461]

SIRRUS 13---I HAVE changed my mind ! You haven't !

[@ozowen5961]

@@johnsheedy461 And again you miss the point. Scientists change their mind as per tested evidence. Conversion is done against a very different set of criteria. Understanding evidence is important, I suggest you look into it.

[@nirmalan5590]

You as a scientist may be willing to change your mind, but life is not a lab where you carry out your Phd . Life is a vast lab, where you start Phd but you cannot decide when this study will end and how.

[@ozowen5961]

@@nirmalan5590 True, however, that takes nothing away here. Science is not always done in a lab. And you miss an important point, science works also by exclusion. So things that have been proven false, impossible to have happened- are the Noah flood and the young Earth. These are gone as possibilities

[@sirrus3009]

@@nirmalan5590 Figuring out this vast lab is what scientists are here for. Just because we do not know when the study will end does not mean we need to stop it. In fact it is a challenge for us to keep pursuing the truth. As a great atheist once said "destroy all the books in the world and scientific books will return as it was previously but not religious books"

[@dude999642]

This debate is like watching a roomful of adults debate a roomful of toddlers.

[@montgomeryscott8662]

you could not be more clear and eloquent about, is almost like Chrstopher Hitchens may say, well done.

[@jeneral-jeff8402]

Christopher Hitchens was delusional lol, if he wasn’t, why is he not here?

[@MaximusArurealius]

I want to know what you dummasses are going to do when it finally comes out that the scientists have been lying about evolution and that the creationists have been right all along? I can just see you now, face-palming, slamming your head into the table, and threatening suicide. Oh you don't think so? Well that's because you fail to face the facts and refuse to believe what the paleontologists say about the evidence. You think that yelling "quote mine" makes it all go away, but it doesn't. And so you're in for a big shock when it comes. One of the key factors for years now that should be tipping you off is the fact that in ALL the public debates creationists always win. It's just not going to be a good day for you evotards.

[@eddyeldridge7427]

@@MaximusArurealius Except evolution is plainly demonstrable. That's like saying they've been lying to us about gravity. We can plainly observe it. And creationists have never won a debate.

[@eddyeldridge7427]

@Michael Brown LOL, you dont even know that humans are apes.

[@juanmanueljauregui8828]

I’m so glad I left religion behind ...I’m living a better life now

[@smooth2477]

Good luck to you. You will end up in hell

[@Rayblondie]

Religion can be the enemy of God.

[@drakocarrion]

@@Rayblondie Your god is fiction.

[@drakocarrion]

@@smooth2477 A threat. How very christian of you.

[@TN-ju4ro]

the abrahamic faiths do a great job of uniting when the common enemy is logic

[@ishankanwar8411]

I think its all religion.

[@FactStorm]

Yup, the whole premise is to avoid the tree of knowledge after all. Even psalm 23 says believers are sheep

[@numbersix9477]

@@FactStorm < tongue in cheek> You're basing your conclusions on a bad translation of Genesis 1 and 2. It wasn't the tree of knowledge that Adam and Eve ate from; it was the tree of unquestioning faith.

[@FactStorm]

@@numbersix9477 Lol, still holds in that obedience and an argument from authority is all this comes down to. Big sky daddy said so therefore its true and moral

[@numbersix9477]

@@FactStorm Here in the U.S. anyway, Sky Daddy informed his followers, through His chosen political party, that covid-19 wasn't something to worry about. Initial evidence is that He got that one wrong. But then again, one little miracle could fix everything.

[@johnpereira9755]

"Religion was born when the first conman met the first fool"----- Mark Twain.

[@Rayblondie]

The fool has said in his heart there is no God.

[@nacyouthdavaoregion1574]

what religion? evolution is a religion. it required belief, you must have more faith that we evolve from non-living things.

[@cornybeef]

Mitchell Osmer Read a book, ...... not that one

[@mitchellosmer1293]

@@cornybeef The Holy Bible? LOL--IT IS THE ONLY BOOK OF THRUTH!!!!

[@ozowen5961]

Mitchell Osmer Many others will argue that this statement is true of the their scripture. Science and Health with a Key to the Scriptures Book of Mormon Upanishads Vedas Dhammapada Avestas Q'uran Tao Te Xing and many more besides

[@toyman9642]

Churches should be forced to pay property tax.

[@blackholeentry3489]

How about an "Ignorance Tax"?

[@priyajohn9198]

@@jackdack85 then how did god come to be?

[@blackholeentry3489]

@@jackdack85 Using and applying your very own logic, WHERE did God come from? A vast empty reservoir of Nothing? Just how ABSURB would you like to be? NOT obvious at all. If you go back far enough, EVERYTHING has a beginning, even, on the postulation he exists at all, God. I am a lifetime astronomer and as we now comprehend it, we live within a universe containing approximately two trillion galaxies, each composed of hundreds of billions of stars. Even at the prodigious rate these stars convert hydrogen into helium, they will all one day exhaust their supply, burn out, one by one winking out, all ceasing to exist. "In the beginning, there was the bleak, vast and empty nothingness. Out of this vast vacuum, by some unknown process, not yet understood by anyone, magically appeared an ALL Knowing God, who then proceeded to create it all." (In six days, totally ignoring the light speed barrier he himself created). FYI, I grew up in a religious community in the 50's. (Laurelwood, OR, a Seventh Day Adventist community SW of Portland) There are an estimated 2600 religions on this planet, many of which I've been exposed to, sought out and studied, often with contrasting views and beliefs to sort through, providing numerous choices of what and or which religion to opt to believe....take your pick, or, in other words, name your poison. BHE

[@blackholeentry3489]

@@jackdack85 First I genuinely thank you for your lengthy and elucidate 'explanation'. I am pushing 80 this year, I am educated and it is NOT AT ALL I misunderstood you. I simply do not agree with you. Within my lifetime I have been exposed to a large number of religions and gave up on religion 50 years ago. Both Heaven and Hell are unsupported myths. And, please don't offer me your typical revengeful Christian response, "You're going to burn in Hell forever! A wonderful 'whip' from a loving god, who will torture unbelievers for an eternity without even providing any concrete evidence for his existence, and which is typically believed by his followers. FYI, I've been a lifetime and knowledgeable astronomer and have some comprehension of our vast two trillion galaxy universe we reside in....do you? One of these days, we are going to have encounters with other inhabitants of this universe, which I believe we already have. In the late 60s I witnessed a 40' diameter classic 'Flying Saucer' fly low, slow and completely silent, about 50' directly over my house about 10 at night. Although it was dark, my unshielded front porch light lit it up really well. I believe governments of the world are well aware of this and the only reason it hasn't been released to the general public is the religious right would not handle it well. In about a month, I am going to attend the McMenamins UFO Festival in McMinnville, OR. Many people who will be there have had experiences similar to mine. Then, to celebrate my 80th birthday, I'm going to ride my motorcycle down to Roswell, NM and check out the UFO museum.....care to join me on ether adventure? BHE

[@blackholeentry3489]

@@jackdack85 In the late 60s, in addition to my full time job, I ran an auto repair business on the side. I was finishing up a valve job on the local chiropractor's Edsel in Dec in my unheated shop, when I decided to take a break, go into the house and grab a cup of hot coffee. As I was walking towards the house, something caused me to look up to see a classic 'flying saucer' glide directly over me well below 100', was as big as my house and looked like it just cleared it. It had a tight cluster of three brilliant red lights in a triangular pattern bottom center, which I have recently been told is part of their navigational guidance system. It wasn't until the next day, as I was telling my coworkers about it, I suddenly realized that although that craft was really low, it never made a whisper. Close my eyes today and I can still see it. Fifty years later, this still haunts me. Two years ago, I attended my first UFO convention, driving 800 miles to do so. Last year my wife went with me, but she recently fell and cracked her kneecap, so this year I am going alone. Those "In the know" say we are currently being visited by at least 10 different intelligent species.....and have been for millennia. Ezekiel's 'Biblical Wheel" is a classic example of person of a non mechanical agrarian society viewing a 'Flying Saucer' I wonder what ET's take is on God? Those who claim to have 'spoken' with ETs and asked them about God, say they shrug it off as 'Non Relevant' . Those "who are in the know" say Full UFO Disclosure is coming soon and those who are religious within our midst are going to have a rough time dealing with it as it will collide head-on with much of their religious dogma teachings. We reside in a galaxy of 400 billion stars and the Hubble has revealed at least two trillion other galaxies. For us to believe we are somehow 'God's special creation" is beyond ludicrous. Why don't you join me at the 20th McMenamins UFO convention next month? You just might learn something. BHE

[@omarsabih]

These people are true Buddha. The patience and civility is off the chart.

[@EyeMixMusic]

9:40 "There's evidence in secular journals that the earth is 6000 years old!" "Really? Where in those journals can we find that evidence?" "..............well, I won't go into details."

[@lvgxc10]

Secular journals… like that of the Templeton foundation!

[@timward3142]

Eyemix Music There is absolutely no evidence for God whatsoever. None.

[@jankopandza1072]

68 MILION year old Dinosaur has 6 000 year old DNA :) F what now ?? www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/dinosaur-shocker-115306469/

[@popeyedish]

@@jankopandza1072 you totally misrepresent what the article says and provide a good example of how Creationists take genuine scientific findings and distort them all out of proportion. These “soft tissues” it should be remembered are largely protein fragments and pieces, not fresh, unaltered material. The fact that some of the structures have not decayed away entirely is a demonstration of unusual preservation, not a suggestion that the bones are not millions of years old. There is nothing, absolutely nothing to suggest 6000 year old dna.

[@jankopandza1072]

@@popeyedish let me answer to your utter lack of knowledge...LOL

[@mickberry164]

"That's the beauty of science. We are willing to say we are wrong." That sums it up.

[@charlieepershall4345]

There Are a Great Many Gods to Worship Gods are just Imaginary Mythical Personages of worship. Gods are not Creators. There is just one and only Great Creator that Created all that exists. The Great Creator is not one of your Mythical Gods that you worship. True Science is Knowledge and True Science is Truth. It is True Science that has proven the existence of the Great Creator. It has been by the discoveries of the Complex Intelligent Designed Engineering of the solar system and the complex Intelligent designed Engineering of life on this Planet Earth. Christianity and all Religion is not based on any facts and truth. Christianity is a Deceitful Society. In the book Christianity worship it says: 'Love your Enemies, resist not Evil, Love and care for all others as we would like to be Loved and cared for. Jesus and the twelve that were with him refused to kill any Human. they all suffered death instead. Christianity goes to other nations and presents themselves as being Kind and Loving. And successfully deceives them In the worshiping of their Imaginary Mythical gods. Then; the go to war for the nation that they worship and kills their own brothers and sisters of their own churches in other nations. Believe it or not: Truth will solve all our problems before we create them; and ignore or reject the truth; problems will multiply all by themselves; those problems will need no help. Have a great and a meaningful life, if it is at a

[@johnlawrence2757]

And they almost always are wrong because they don’t follow their own rules of evidence and procedure. As we know the theory of evolution is the latest casualty in the field of pseudo science

[@charlieepershall4345]

The New World Order is That Great America Yes: America is that superpower of the world. In that book that Christianity worships it speaks of that Great Christian Nation. Represented as a little Lamb with two little horns, the two ruling parties. Also America is represented in Daniel, the Two feet of the Great Image. with the Great Conglomerate of race and culture, as the clay and the steel is as the great power of the Government, the ruling power. The New World Order Known As (That Great America) is not going down until It has accomplished its purpose. All this chaos in That Great America is just the corruption boiling as anything boils in a pot, Lies and deception is boiling hared. It fills the air with a very Putrid Odor. Do realize it was the horn on the Right that proclaimed the New World Order. It was not that horn on the left, or the ruler of any other nation that proclaimed (this is the beginning of the New World Order.) Believe it or not: Truth will solve all our problems before we create them; and ignore or reject the truth; problems will multiply all by themselves; those problems will need no help. Have a great and a meaningful life, if it is at all possible. Just whispers, of the Ghost of Reality

[@johnlawrence2757]

Charlie E Pershall aren’t there bears and eagles involved in all this eschatological stuff ?

[@charlieepershall4345]

The New World Order is That Great America Yes: America is that superpower of the world. In that book that Christianity worships it speaks of that Great Christian Nation. Represented as a little Lamb with two little horns, the two ruling parties. Also America is represented in Daniel, the Two feet of the Great Image. with the Great Conglomerate of race and culture, as the clay and the steel is as the great power of the Government, the ruling power. The New World Order Known As (That Great America) is not going down until It has accomplished its purpose. All this chaos in That Great America is just the corruption boiling as anything boils in a pot, Lies and deception is boiling hared. It fills the air with a very Putrid Odor. Do realize it was the horn on the Right that proclaimed the New World Order. It was not that horn on the left, or the ruler of any other nation that proclaimed (this is the beginning of the New World Order.) Believe it or not: Truth will solve all our problems before we create them; and ignore or reject the truth; problems will multiply all by themselves; those problems will need no help. Have a great and a meaningful life, if it is at all possible. Just whispers, of the Ghost of Reality

[@TheXarrots]

I haven't wrote that sentence but I totally agree; "Science doesn't claim to have all the answers, but tries every day to find them. Religion, on the other hand, claims to have ALL the answers, but isn't capable of backing up a single one".

[@samarium557]

The Xarrots That's a really good analogy. Its very accurate as well.

[@kevinrtres]

The Xarrots: Very true - just look at the religion of billions of years, abiogenesis and darwinian evolution!!!! The evolutionary, humanist, naturalistic religion claims to have all the answers to our physical origin, our biological origin and biological development yet when closely scrutinized is not capable of backing up a single one. Big bang - everything from NOTHING. Stars cannot form all by themselves from clouds of gas. No one has ever observed ANY process whereby the Jeans limit is overcome spontaneously. Assumptions abound. Planets cannot form all by themselves from clouds of dust. No observational evidence or in fact ANY mechanistic process to back that up. Abiogenesis is an impossibility, yet there is highly complex life all around us... how now, brown cow? Evolution suffers from the same basic problem as abiogenesis - how to generate an abstract entity, specified information, via purely random physical / chemical processes????? How does that happen? That which is purely material giving rise to that which is abstract????? HOW?????

[@sicarius2794]

kevinr ruiters even the Catholic Church recognizes evolution for starters and why do you guys always say something from nothing, who said from nothing? Secondly how did your particular god create something from nothing and how did god come to be? You guys always give the clock maker reasoning but say that god doesn't have a creator contradicting your argument.

[@Fltoig]

Mercy Johnson - You appear to have misunderstood the process of evolution entirely. It's easy to dispute anything if the argument you use is false.

[@Fltoig]

mercy johnson Are you refering to the part where he say: "And we crossbred with it."? If that is the case, he is saying that we crossbred with neanderthals - not with chimpanzees. You know, in the same way you can crossbreed a donke and a horse, or different dogs, or crosspollinate different fruits. Read a book.

[@mounishdoli8573]

It should have been named "Is it time for all religions to accept reality?"

[@numbersix9477]

LOL! Gold star!

[@karmehed]

"I belive the Koran is the word of god" "That is the wrong interpretation of the Koran"....... What is the use of the word of God if u can interpret it any way u like.

[@DigitalMusk]

What is the use of science if we can not interpret it the way we like?

[@marcusk.462]

@@DigitalMusk I know you thought that was witty but that’s pretty stupid.

[@DigitalMusk]

@@marcusk.462 um okay

[@jonathanallard2128]

YES, OP. Fuck yes, mate.

[@jonathanallard2128]

@@DigitalMusk The use of science, to answer your dumb question, is to understand the reality in which we live. You're welcome.

[@indianstallion]

I applaud the scientists for not laughing at the creationists within the first 5 minutes .

[@BJBFOREST]

to think some still believe in a heaven.. In this day and age. Unable to be proven

[@BJBFOREST]

Free entertainment

[@nicholaswalter8135]

It's almost as silly as believing that we all came from a rock that turned into a fish, eh?

[@BJBFOREST]

+ Nicholas...yes that would be silly.....the Origins of Life are still being researched...but when in doubt just say, God did it. .........God of the Gaps. .......although there are Rock Lobsters.

[@ianworcester4640]

What a shitpot debate . everybody interrupting and shouting down the other person. Should be titled " Worst debate ever"

[@svader9680]

I love listening to these grown babies try and convince us that the stories they grew up believing are true.

[@mustybouk9478]

Svader96 you are a baby your self what your talking about😲

[@svader9680]

musty bouk aye in a philosophical sense we are all but babes... however when the Muslim man responds to the questions of the host it is clear he is systematically repeating what he's been taught in Scripture and that he's not thinking for himself. Maturity develops through critical thinking and reflection of oneself and ones beliefs and the way they conform to reality.

[@hanskraut7495]

u know that as a man that understands philosophers u should believe in god?

[@svader9680]

Yibaki Moguhutakehiki god is different, I'm speaking on religion

[@hanskraut7495]

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[@popeyedish]

This shouldnt even be a debate..proven science vs blind faith in a book of dubious origins.

[@osogrande4999]

Well I don’t see it as a debate, it’s more like idiot baiting, trying to lull an idiot into a discourse they are not mentally equipped to engage in… I enjoy watching an indoctrinated loon saying “we believe…” and then following on with some lunacy that a 4 year old could dismiss.. it makes me cringe and laugh at the same time, so much so that people wonder if I’m having an incontinence moment.

[@benedibrava]

Are you saying life can slowly form when life can only exist complete has evidences

[@osogrande4999]

@@benedibrava Define life. Exactly.

[@popeyedish]

@@benedibrava i dont really understand what you mean. Evolution is a proven fact and the best explanantion we have for the diversity of life. However if you are talking about abiogenesis, we dont yet know exactly how life started but science is continually working on replicating the conditions they believe existed when life first came into being.

[@benedibrava]

@@osogrande4999 life is thousands of components which depend on each other and have to be precise for life to exist, debunking evolutionism. Fur example if you have brain and no artery and blood flow brain will die or heart and artery or kidney and heart or stomach and mouth.... Life origin is what bible teaches

[@scottswenson9920]

I love this guy as host/debate moderator.

[@jawnson2613]

Guy should moderate political debate. True pro, keeps it moving but also stirs the pot.

[@kenlyneham4105]

The question should be, "In light of the knowledge we have, shouldn't all religions be dropped?"

[@horsesense6173]

Ken Lyneham - There are two sets of ideologies, those that are God-breathed and those that are man-breathed. They both serve a purpose in creation.

[@kenlyneham4105]

That would make sense to a horse, only if the horse believed in creation. I don't. As hominids, we have only known about this particular god for about the last 3,000 or less. We DO know that we hominids have been around for about 300,000 years. What the hell was THAT god doing for the previous 270,000 years? Having a lonely picnic on a beach somewhere?

[@jackgraham3]

Yes. People don't seem to realize that religion is toxic and cares about its own preservation rather than the truth, and all the good things it does can be done without it.

[@jackgraham3]

Steve Ooook. You don’t know me, or what I do or do not know. Tsk tsk.

[@jackgraham3]

@Steve What an OLD sad argument. Don't tell me... "You can't prove that your perception of the world is real. If your perception is wrong, then your observations are wrong, and any theories based on your observations will be wrong. Therefore you can't prove that anything is real. Only Jesus can tell you what's real." Right? René Descartes? Pfffft. This falls apart when all you can say is "nothing can ever be proven." It can be applied to literally everything. And NO presupposing God DOES NOT fix that.

[@damonm3]

I feel like I’m watching overgrown children defending Santa clause... 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@derekmizer6293]

You are

[@derekmizer6293]

@Michael Brown dawkins have no knowledge of how life came to be. No scientists does. Theists just asserts, their god dun it about 6 to 10,000 years ago even though dna states the oldest humans is about 100,000 years ago.

[@derekmizer6293]

@Dan C. u do know humans communicated without written records right? I am talking about the age of bones found. The oldest is 100,000 years (approximately).

[@derekmizer6293]

@Dan C. sure.🤣🤣🤣

[@derekmizer6293]

@Dan C. I'm done with u. U are much too stupid.

[@munster1404]

Creationists don’t care about evidence. They are more concerned with superstition.

[@skindred1888]

Yet their religion has a strict "ban" on superstition

[@ueks69]

@@skindred1888 only on other religions dogma

[@benedibrava]

Evidence? We are the only ones showing evidences, I can even use you, cover your nose and mouth you willl know life can exist how bible reaches: complete. From the beginning

[@ueks69]

@@benedibrava ohh my sweet Darwin, the stupidity it hurts

[@benedibrava]

@@ueks69 true, hue can people still believe in evolution theory when it’s obvious life can exist complete from the beginning. Imagine believe stomach waited for mouth to evolve or heard for artery or brain for blood...? But what to expect from generation who marries man with man, have man who calls himself woman?

[@stevejpm1]

"I think religion should be treated with ridicule, hatred, and contempt, and I claim that right."..Christopher Hitchens.

[@johnharvey4448]

I think he's hateful, contemptful and a know-it-all, and his knowledge a mere hitcher compared to Jesus Christ.

[@mjohanss1975]

The very first question you should ask a creationist before engaging him in debate is this one: Is there any amount of evidence that could shake you faith and make you question your beliefs? If the answer is no (and it almost always is) then what is the point of engaging them in debate? Creationists should be ignored, set aside, left behind...Not engaged in debate.

[@alexserrano2850]

Mike Vizioz I totally agree. The first mistake is to give creationism any chance, it simply isn't at the same level. It's just ridiculous to discuss it as a serious view of the world.

[@theedge1981]

Mike Vizioz I agree with you and Alex that there is no point in engaging in debate with an unshakeable creationist. I'd rather watch Game of Thrones.

[@i8five4u]

Alex Serrano Same with Flat Earth nuts. Evidence makes no difference.

[@alexserrano2850]

i8five4u It's kinda funny you mentioned that now because I've been reading a lot of crap from that people lately... Humanity never stops to surprise me.

[@i8five4u]

Alex Serrano Yes, It is very frustrating when you bring up proof and they do not believe it because it is not said in the bible. Flat Earth people try to discredit science so it will be easier to teach non science.

[@easycoding8255]

Science: "Oh wow, we found all this evidence that points to something we never knew or even considered before. But let's not stop there, we need to make sure we're right, let's keep studying it." Religion: "This goes against a book I was taught to live my life by. It is therefore wrong and I am offended. I will do what it takes to get rid of your science because I disagree."( and I don't want my life to have been a lie.) Science: "But look, this is amazing. Let me explain it to you, it's fascinating and we can understand how life works..." Religion: "Stop lying, your evidence is lacking" Science: "It was at one point but we keep finding more. We were skeptical at first but really, take a look at this" Religion: "You didn't study your qualifications in this specific field, therefore I know just as much as you because I studied Religion and Philosophy" Science: "Take a look, honestly" Religion: "I've had a look at some evidence from a few years ago. I've read the opinions of people who are also against it and I have concluded that it is not good enough. My holy book is therefore the truth" Science: "I don't think you have fully understood it, let me show you" Religion: "Don't you dare be arrogant. I am entitled to my opinion" Science: "If I gave you complete proof of this, would you believe it?" Religion: "No." Science isn't arrogant. The poor thing is frustrated.

[@ashyclaret]

That's your own mind justifying itself,without any evidence.

[@easycoding8255]

Are you religious? And if so, would anything convince you that God doesn't exist? Do you accept that evolution is real and if not, would anything?

[@ashyclaret]

All one big cover up by the atheists to conclude God didn't exist.

[@easycoding8255]

ash wednesday And what evidence do you have to disprove evolution? What evidence do you have for the existence of god? And as I asked you before, would anything convince you that evolution is a fact? And would anything convince you that god doesn’t exist?

[@blindsquirrelsnut7939]

〈easy〉coding Very Impressive Indeed!!! Good work sir!!

[@robertclarke8456]

If you get rid of all the books on science and all the books on religion. In a thousand years all the books on science will re-appear. Non of the books on religion will.

[@user-dk9hl5ez9k]

There are people who are honestly lacking in scientific understanding and then there are those who wilfully constraining their understanding to avoid massive cognitive dissonance, through Olympic mental gymnastics.

[@bennywolfe4357]

How does the second law of thermodynamics work with evolution?

[@Rayblondie]

How do you know that for sure. There is such a thing as faith which is not mental gymnastics

[@visiblehuman3705]

@@bennywolfe4357I don’t think you understand the second law of thermodynamics if you are bringing it up in a discussion of evolution in this way. 1. It refers to universal disorder, not local 2. Life is actually like an engine increasing entropy even more than if life wasn’t present on the planet. Converting higher order energy like light to fuel processes etc. in fact, many believe this actually aids in supporting evolution as systems are potentially more likely to gradually restructure themselves to increase dissipation of energy, which just so happens to be associated with life like qualities like I mentioned above with light.

[@crowsnest43]

I am astonished and horrified at the sheer number of ignorant people who apparently never had to take a Biology class to pass high school. If you're going to be foolish enough question evolution, you might as well question the existence of our sun, or gravity.

[@Chr0maticAttack]

There is your problem...you first attack the intelligence of the people you condemn by stating they must not have had Biology, then you state it's foolish to question the existence of the sun or gravity. Well, as a physicist I would be stupid to not question their "existence" or their laws as we continually discover new things about the universe that are altering previous conceptions about the nature of reality altogether. Also, evolution is a theory and not a law for a reason whereas the existence of gravity and the sun are based in current physical laws.

[@crowsnest43]

Chr0maticAttack I stated that they apparent haven't taken a Biology course because they demonstrate general ignorance about Biology. Pretty simple. Thank you for personally demonstrating that ignorance is commonplace, with your statements. You obviously don't know the difference between a scientific theory and a law, if you're implying that a law somehow supersedes or trumps a theory, or that science doesn't sometimes use then interchangeably. Could you please explain the difference between Newton's Law of Gravitation, and Newton's Theory of Gravitation? Does Newton's correction of Kepler's law mean that laws are broken, or that laws are indisputable? Does Einstein's correction of Newton's law mean that gravity is false? (Those are rhetorical questions, by the way. Based on your statement "Also, evolution is a theory and not a law" shows that you really don't know enough about the scientific method to go anywhere near those questions.) A Law is an explanation or observation of something that happens. A Theory is a detailed explanation of facts that have been repeatedly tested and peer-reviewed.(So yes, there are laws of evolution.) So why is it that people reject the Theory of Evolution (seemingly with no understanding of it, or the scientific method) while having no problem with accepting Atomic _Theory_, Newton's _Theory_ of Gravitation, or Einstein's _Theory_ of Relativity?

[@warrixgraphix]

All you guys have to do is step outside and see who and what is the real creator. I'm not going to argue as it won't help any of you believe all it will do is make you more angry at God for not making you tall enough or not rich or not a super model. But I really want you to just go to the park or something and just stop and look at what this amazing world God (Jesus Christ) made. And before yelling at me for believing truth read the bible see both sides. I've read and learnt all about evolution and heard evolutionists talk. I have heard and read both sides. Everything in the bible aligns and corresponds exactly with other ancient writings. I'm going to stop here and beg of all of you to read the truth and stop being blinded by people who can't stand being wrong or have been hurt in the pass and blame God for it.

[@EXALTEDDIRT]

Wow, ive never seen just dogged and determined faith in a man-made theory that contradicts science, fact, and Holy scripture; Evil-ution is a theory-tale for grown ups! It is unproved and unproveable; this is why they still call it a "theory"....It is NOT true science, but science-fiction; the only reason it is still maintained in pseudo-academic groups is because the only alternative is special creation; and that to them is unthinkable....The philosophers used to say that men do not see the world as it is but as they are; men who view the world in a naturalistic, immoralistic, and humanist and fatalist kind of way, not seeing God's handiwork in anything; is because that is the condition of their heart and they see the world through it; two people can look at the same thing and see two totally different things because of the condition of the heart. your understanding is darkened and devoid of any of the light of God which is by faith and then you project your own darkened soul onto everything you see insisting there is no God when in fact God is everywhere just not in your Godless soul....Repent, turn from sin, and trust in Christ and he will shine light on you and you will see things and know things that you can not even begin to imagine....

[@warrixgraphix]

Hey, man you are tottally right but their hearts are blinded and they will never understand they will always think they are right. Sometimes you got to stop throwing pearls before swines man. Go help people that actaully want to be helped.

[@unspecifiedusername8820]

I still find it hard to believe that anyone really believes in creationism.

[@BrendanMcClelland]

Creationism is on decline my friend. There is at least one thing to take comfort with.

[@moshemyym4627]

Yeah, creationists rather believe(with evidence to support them) that an Great Intelligence made them and not something stupid(I mean that in every literal way possible, evolution is mindless, dumb as a box of rocks).

[@BrendanMcClelland]

+MosheMYY M and that's how they are.

[@GisherJohn24]

false. evolution is a religion. a myth. never happened. we share a common designer. end of argument

[@GisherJohn24]

we don't reject evolution. we reject stupidity

[@AIenSmithee]

The most important point of view is of the man who was brave enough to admit he used to be a young earth creationist. Big kudos to him.

[@jonathanallard2128]

No. The most important point of view is from the person who's correct, no matter his past beliefs or willingness to admit his faults.

[@AIenSmithee]

@@jonathanallard2128 Doesn't take a genius to be an atheist, but it takes real guts to admit your world view is wrong and be honest with yourself. There are plenty of people who believe the right thing for the wrong reasons which can be as dangerous as believing in the wrong thing for the right reasons. Plenty of people laugh at creationists but don't see what ridiculous things they believe.

[@jonathanallard2128]

@@AIenSmithee I understand all that.

[@kevinnazario1015]

God himself could show up and say to the believers , " evolution is true, that is how i did it" and still they would not accept it. Their need to believe is stronger that their need to understand.

[@ThereBeGoldInThemTharHills]

My favorite thing about evolution is that it happened whether you believe it happened or not.

[@stillfritz1279]

@Michael Brown No it doesn't. We have observed the process of evolution so we know it occurs. There is also a 150yr history of observations verifying predictions and not one example of an observation that falsifies it. We have countless observations that are entirely consistant with evolutionary theory and entirely inconsistsnt with creationism. It takes no faith at all to accept that evolution is the best explanation of the diversity of life on earth. Unlike creationism. You have no creator that you can demonstrate. No mechanism by which it occurs and no method for testing your conjecture. Thanks for admitting that faith is useless and unreliable though.

[@DarkFlame69]

My nightmares will now be haunted by SpongeBob Pikachu..... 😭😨😱

[@DarkFlame69]

@Michael Brown I don't want to know what it would evolve into. Lol

[@DarkFlame69]

@Michael Brown Nope. Too scary to conceptualize. I love Pikachu and despise SpongeBob.

[@DarkFlame69]

@Michael Brown SpongeBob lives in water, thus he's water type. Pikachu is electric type. I think the math points to only one possible winner. Lol.

[@slurpingticklepest926]

This was easily the most one-sided debate I've ever seen. How embarrassing for the religious folk.

[@peterbartley9155]

Slurping Ticklepest agreed

[@gregschroer2314]

That's what it's all designed for it's not really a debate it's just a false flag

[@thomasmaughan4798]

That is the nature of debates produced for entertainment. They go the way the producer wishes them to go.

[@lloydevans2900]

Of course it's one-sided, because the evidence we have to work with is one-sided. Why the theologians persist in holding onto the young-earth belief is just bizarre, because there is no good evidence for it, and an almost incalculable amount of evidence for the earth being many orders of magnitude older. All the religious apologists can really do in this area is cast aspersions and innuendo about how that evidence is discovered, in a vain attempt to cast doubt upon it. Attempting to discredit the source of information is the oldest trick in the book when it comes to debating, and an incredibly transparent and dishonest one too. The other tactic is one of solipsism: When reality disagrees with your theology, challenge reality itself. This is another common religious apologist tactic, the attempt to say that if you cannot know anything absolutely, you cannot know anything at all, and therefore all scientific evidence can be thrown out. Of course where this obviously fails is that if you're throwing all of science out of the window, how can you keep holding onto scriptural "evidence", which has even less going for it and nothing beyond circular arguments backing it up? Throwing out reality itself isn't a valid way of proving any religion true. Then you have the presuppositionalists, who use philosophical sophistry to try and "logic" God into existence, by claiming that the laws of logic and reason itself cannot exist without God. This is perhaps the most intellectually dishonest tactic of all, only used by the most pathological "defenders of the faith", who fall back on this flawed argument because they have nothing better.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

@@lloydevans2900 We appreciate your lengthy opinion. You could simply ask "the theologians" but obviously there's no need for that.

[@Rebelk95]

The younger, soft-spoken bald guy in blue button down seems like such a nice dude

[@alexharrison2743]

He was the star of this debate - so considerate, polite, intelligible, and unassuming

[@pepsicoke560]

British clapping is often underrated. It's crisp, loud and rythmic.

[@adamwilks]

😂 brilliant. I’ll pay more attention to clapping audiences now. We love orderly queuing too, it’s a national pastime.

[@nathanmckenzie904]

I can't accept science because I want to feel special..

[@syksyd17]

nathan mckenzie i can't accept the theory of evolution, because it preports to have knowledge beyond mans ability to prove. The same goes for religion. Theyre both creation myths, one invokes god, the other invokes random chance.

[@nathanmckenzie904]

@@syksyd17 You don't accept evolution because you don't understand it. The good thing about it is its true whether you understand it or not.

[@syksyd17]

nathan mckenzie i understand the theory. You can not prove your extrapolation from the actual data we have. It is your interpretation of the data, it is not "true whether we believe it or not" you zealot.

[@nathanmckenzie904]

@@syksyd17 The only thing I'm a zealot of is the truth. So let me ask you a question.. Do you accept the geological column? By that I mean that if you dig down deeper you are looking at older rock layers?

[@syksyd17]

nathan mckenzie well if that's true, you shouldn't be pushing a narrative that extrapolates beyond the realm of what can actually be known. Sure, i accept that. What i don't accept is the narrative that goes along with evolution, because it is a narrative and not an observed truth. Are there truths we can observe about bioligical life? Yes. Does that mean that all biological life can be proven to have spawned from a common ancestor billions of years ago? No. What is the mechanism of evolution in your mind?

[@sharathsh9987]

I don't know why I watch these and torture myself. Makes me depressed.

[@rob16248]

Sounds suspiciously to me like you may have religious beliefs. If so, listen to these arguments again. You may have an epiphany.

[@sharathsh9987]

@@rob16248 I was actually religious before, but not anymore. I said these "debates" makes me depressed because of all the ignorance.

[@madzangels]

I know what you mean (I feel that sense of sadness that some people are so dogmatic, that they're minds can never be changed, it seems somewhat hopeless, and leaves you feeling very demotivated by it!) The young Muslim guy in the centre, who says 'No your interpretation is wrong' - he's talking about the fundamentals of reality, and arguing got the model of reality he's got in his head based purely on 'interpretive' texts....That's what is going to mould his entire reality - it's utter madness in 2021, when you have access to all of humanities knowledge with a click of a button. I do blame his parents, teachers, those who have indoctrinated that poor man to such an extent. What I WOULD say to help - is to always to see our progress as a collective species, over a few centuries - don't look at it at the micro level like a 45 mins debate between a few people, but look at it across the macro level instead. When you do that, you can always be left more optimistic than pessimistic. Progress is being made.

[@osogrande4999]

@@sharathsh9987 Welcome to reality. Sadly it’s now full of pathetic spineless snowflakes.

[@teresaamanfu7408]

@@rob16248 how did you come to that conclusion?

[@ronaldharris7670]

I’m embarrassed for the stupid things I said because of my Christian upbringing. But at least I grew up

[@sifka1607]

"Information doesn't arise from dead matter" The molecules and atoms in a stone is technically information 🤷

[@thejasonlitchfield]

As are the pages of the bible, and the words on them.

[@buckyoung4578]

Sad that you have so little understanding of real science. Molecules and atoms in a stone ARE NOT dead matter. Their half-lives vary greatly and while they are often still alive in a biological sense they become encased in other matter. Just sad!

[@drakocarrion]

@@buckyoung4578 You don't know science at all. You're a creationist dumbass. Shut up.

[@nickm3577]

Last time I looked, stone does not contain DNA.

[@RS54321]

They aren't information, they are matter. DNA is information (coding). Where do you propose atoms and the energy therein arose from?

[@kaiza6467]

Scientists start with the evidence and work towards the conclusion. Theists start with a conclusion, and try to find evidence for it. There’s no arguing with people with backwards thinking like that.

[@unsettledonpurpose]

And cringe-worthy dimwits keep trying to start audience applause breaks every 2 minutes.

[@alcidebouchard5315]

Catholics believe that the universe is the creation, and the exclusive dominion, of an infinitely powerful Spirit Being, called God (call us crazy, but I dare you to consider carefully why we think this). First, there is the evidence of logic. Through the process of simple mathematical-type reasoning, man inevitably comes face to face with certain indisputable principles: Everything has a cause; nothing can bring itself into existence. Obviously there is a long chain of causes in the universe, but ultimately there must be a first cause, an uncaused cause. This uncaused cause we call ``God.'' (The theory of evolution, even if it could be proved, would not explain the origin of anything; evolution simply deals with what may have happened after matter came into existence.) Further, 1) personal creation (man) presupposes a superior Personal Creator, 2) universal order presupposes a Universal Orderer, 3) cosmic energy presupposes a Cosmic Energizer, 4) natural law presupposes a Universal Law Maker. Basic principles of reason such as these explain why so many of the world's leading scientists are firm believers in God. Then, there is the evidence of divine revelation--on countless occasions God has revealed Himself by voice, vision and apparition (by means which are receptive to the human senses), and demonstrated His Omnipotence by stupendous, obviously supernatural miracles. Many of these revelations are a matter of authenticated historical record. The Scriptures, for example, are full of such accounts; and in modern times the world has been witness to such Heaven-sent miracles as those at Fatima, Lourdes, and St. Anne de Beaupré in Quebec, Canada, where the cured have left a forest of crutches in testimony. (The Lourdes Medical Bureau is open for examination by any doctor.) In addition, there is the liquefaction of the blood of St. Januarius which still takes place in Naples each year on September 19, his feastday; the incorruption of the bodies of many Catholic saints (such as St. Bernadette, who died in 1879); and the miraculous Eucharistic Host of Lanciano, Italy, which has been scientifically proven to be human flesh and human blood, type AB--to mention only a few of the miracles still on-going in the 20th century, which point to the existence of a God. And lastly there is the evidence of human intuition. Psychologists have long known that every human being--the atheist included--intuitively seeks God's help in times of great calamity, and instinctively pleads for God's mercy when death is imminent. Hence the renowned Voltaire, who was so eloquent in his denial of God while he enjoyed health, fame and fortune, repudiated all of his atheistic writings on his deathbed and frantically sought the ministrations of a Catholic priest. Nikolai Lenin, as he lay on his deathbed, looked around him and frantically asked pardon of the tables and chairs in the room. For as hunger for food proclaims the existence of food, man's intuitive hunger for God proclaims the Reality, the Omnipotence and the Justice of God. Catholic belief in God, therefore, is purely and simply an expression of intellectual sanity.

[@timbo_tigger]

@@alcidebouchard5315 In a continuous type of universe as described by Laplace or Newton you would be completely correct about everything having a cause. However that's not the type of universe we are in. In this universe everything, and I do mean by this, the basic starting point of every event, including the original occurrence of the universe we observe now. Does not appear to have any 'cause' other than random quantum events. A random event cannot be 'caused' to happen or it will not be truly random, at least some part of it's characteristic will carry information from the event that caused it in the first place. Hence we can observe a statistical average which gives a general guide as to when and how the universe started but we can never determine the precise action that took place right at the start. In other words you are incorrect to assert "Everything has a cause; nothing can bring itself into existence". Mathematically I can take -1 and +1 put them together and I have 0 or nothing. The reverse is also true I can take 0 and split it into -1 and +1, but I still have 0 or nothing. You might say it was God that split the nothing but then you have to consider, what brought God into existence ? You argument for God then reduces to either God is the universe itself, or as I would postulate the universe just happened and doesn't really count as a personal God. It appears to all intents and purposes in the real universe, the one we observe, both nothing and infinity are in many ways the same thing and are both unstable and can't actually persist in any meaningful way. Thus it even seems to be the case that God, even if there were one, would have no choice but to let, possibly many, universes to occur all the time. Not really the definition of creation, just letting it happen. Your divine revelations and miracle arguments do not stand up to scrutiny if they did it would be common knowledge and all those arguing for any god would be repeating them every time there was a debate. I am aware that for the millions of visitors to Lourdes there has been an incredibly small number of documented cases where a cure occurred. Certainly if there were significant evidence theists would not be slow about bringing it forward. And lastly you talk about human intuition, I'm not even sure intuition is the right word to use, you present some anecdotal stories but they don't really prove existence of God merely the fact that from the human perspective "it would be nice if...." . I could actually use this, to point out why it is, someone will desperately want to believe in God even with very poor evidence, or none at all. In some way it is correct to say there is a God provided you believe in him/her/it. Of course this gives you no divine mandate to determine how the rest of us should live our lives and negates one of the main claims being made by most religions.

[@craigphd7844]

@@alcidebouchard5315 What complete drivel! "Everything has a cause; nothing can bring itself into existence" So there is no god. 'Psychologists have long known that every human being--the atheist included--intuitively seeks God's help in times of great calamity' not true. "Then, there is the evidence of divine revelation" Nope there isn't any evidence, only here-say. "the world has been witness to such Heaven-sent miracles as those at Fatima, Lourdes, and St. Anne de Beaupré in Quebec, Canada," Only believed by the religious. No evidence! You are living in a dream world! God was created in the minds of men to explain what was in the past unexplainable. (thunder, lightning, droughts, floods, death, life, stars, the Moon etc etc etc. It was then used by the intelligent to control the masses. Which is still going on! There is no place in a modern intelligent society for any religion.

[@timbo_tigger]

@@craigphd7844 Careful, quantum events like random electron movement don't need a cause. Something has to have no cause or you end up back with a god causing it. Of course there's still the problem of what caused God. Macro events will act as causes to other macro events but as time passes the random quantum effect will gradually make the present moment less related to the original events that caused it, if not we would be able to produce exact descriptions of the future or past. Random events at the quantum level ultimately prevent that. No matter how good the model.

[@alokmulangattukarasatheesh1172]

I admire the kind of patience the scientists have...

[@yoloswaggins7121]

Who would agree to be on this stupid show? What is even the point in talking with these people?

[@Nose02]

It’s because they have no emotional involvement. Science is just the quest for answers. If you’re wrong, you move on and it’s all fine. Basing your whole life on a book, only to be told it’s full of shit really messes with these people. Their whole world comes crumbling down. Sometimes, their ego won’t let them admit they’re wrong.

[@shankarsharma174]

Idk but why no hindu scholar to talk about dashavatharam

[@veetour]

You could almost say they have godlike patience. 😎

[@benedibrava]

Patience? They just have to show evidence of evolution, but they can’t, because evolution is scientifically logically impossible. Imagine your waiting fir vein to evolve, your lungs for nose and mouth. Life is what bible teaches: all lives created rapidly

[@PrefoX]

The Real question should be "is it time to stop accepting religions?"

[@harryfaber]

Well, freedom for all has to allow people to follow religions of their choice, or none. It would be wrong to somehow pass a law stating 'you must accept evolution' just as it would be wrong to pass a law saying 'everybody in the town must go to church on Sunday'. The 'young earth creationists' do not represent a majority view in Christianity, or 'religion'.

[@jonathanallard2128]

I thought dinosaurs were extinct, but clearly I was wrong as many of them were debating on this show.

[@Rayblondie]

Insults do not win an argument.

[@jonathanallard2128]

@@Rayblondie Correct, and neither does liking your own comments. It's just something people do for unrelated reasons.

[@karlrschneider]

Science asks questions that may never be answered; religion preaches answers that may never be questioned.

[@FatRakoon]

Briliant.

[@nathanelder2718]

@@FatRakoon👈 Pfff! Like this idiot! "Brilliant", this idiot says. He thinks your comment about a topic thinking and talking for itself is, "brilliant". Amazing!

[@FatRakoon]

@@nathanelder2718 You so obviously completely misunderstood what Karl said, that I almost pity you. What a pig ignorant, and shallow mind you must have! Clearly things do boggle your mind because you have so obviously missed this one. Try re-reading the posts, and you will see that you are being laughed at by anyone who reads them. Unless they're as fucking thick as you so obviously are.

[@numbersix9477]

@@nathanelder2718 --- A more careful reading of Karl's post is in order. Or the taking of a logic course. Or both.

[@nathanelder2718]

@@FatRakoon You're the one that needs to read it closely. Look at the way it was written verses what the idiot is trying to put across. I already get what he's trying to put across. That should be obvious to most people, by what I said. Science and religion are subjects of human thought. Therefore the subject of a human thought, such as math, writing, mechanics, or what have you, can't think for themselves. For example, you wouldn't say- MATH tells us that M theory is a fact and that is the only explanation there is for what takes place in quantum physics. Is "math" the arbiter of truth on the matter, or is it a scientist using math to describe what may be taking place? The math merely explains how the scientist may be right, "THE MATH" doesn't tell you what to believe or how to think. That is my point, you stupid, asshole. Now I had to explain that to you because you are slow and I'm going to have to explain it to your retarded friend as well.

[@hammalammadingdong6244]

Creationist: evolution is fake. Coronavirus: hold my beer.

[@humanking75]

Abdulrazaq, a 73-year old-resident of Herat, on Nowruz"God told me through his holy book, Quran, to urge people to refrain from sin. Our bad deeds will be punished. The coronavirus is God's punishment," he said.

[@hammalammadingdong6244]

shiny policy - And what evidence did he offer?

[@hammalammadingdong6244]

mullah amin very true. My view is that if objectively verifiable facts conflict with your beliefs, you should reconsider your beliefs.

[@MegaSage007]

@mullah amin I despise evolution because its a lie. I didn't create and design myself neither did you.

[@hammalammadingdong6244]

Ed Wellington - I’m not representing any belief other than reason and knowledge of reality is better than ignorance and superstition.

[@mickqQ]

Is it time for religions to accept observed facts.

[@RS54321]

You've observed the process of evolution? Do tell!

[@mickqQ]

@@RS54321 The Harvard mega plate experiment. Evolution is a fact And Like other facts that are explained by theories : gravity / gravitational theory Electricity &magnetics theory of electromagnetics Germs & disease germ theory of disease Cell theory The fact of evolution is explained by the theory of natural selection

[@fiandrhi]

Summary: "Should stupid people accept manifest reality?" Stupid people: "no."

[@fiandrhi]

@@NSOcarth the reality of the science is established by 160 years of evidence. Admittedly, that's from the point of view of non-stupid people, but then it would be.

[@iainrae6159]

Next week's questions. Do horses go to heaven ? Do fairies have free will?

[@navodaw]

Actually, the argument of 'fairies have free will' is a legitimate argument is Islam and one of the main factors for the Sunni and Shia issues.

[@ozowen5961]

Faeries have free will and choice to ride horses to heaven... or perhaps the horses ride faeries?

[@brucegordon5312]

Read your bible to find out where the spirit of animals go.

[@iainrae6159]

@@brucegordon5312 Ah yes the bible. The book that tells us that snakes talk and blokes live to 900 years old

[@brucegordon5312]

@@iainrae6159 The dinosaur Argentinosaurus Huinculensis weighed between 55 - 106 short tons and was 30 - 40 metrs long. Animals were bigger in the past because conditions were better, giant kangaroos, beavers, mastadons etc. Some turtles in the world today could be 400 - 500 years old. It is not unlikely that humans did live to the ages stated. As for a snake being able to speak; sorry I do not know what forms a demon, ghost or whatever celestial being could assume.

[@jmags2586]

"Information doesn't arise from dead matter". Pastor Greg lost the argument with his first sentence!

[@maxmudxareed1345]

How?

[@Mnch-tn9rh]

@@maxmudxareed1345 *r/whoosh*

[@thomasmaughan4798]

Pastor Greg is correct so far as the argument you describe. Information is perception and requires intellect, a brain. Dirt has no intelligence, thus no capacity to perceive, thus no information.

[@jadenhalstead7290]

Thomas Maughan Well its a good thing that brains aren’t made of dirt like they are described to be in the bible

[@thomasmaughan4798]

@@jadenhalstead7290 Irrelevant. Make brains of dirt or titanium, if they work we would still be having this same conversation. Anyway, my bible says nothing of brains. As to the bible describing what brains are made of, I regret having missed that part in my reading. Maybe it wasn't important. As a favor to me, would you please identify the verse that describes this? Perhaps you could correct the record and explain what you believe brains are made of. A complete list of amino acids for starters; be sure to include deoxyribonucleic acid.

[@alicethompson653]

Just proves the theory to me that all religions are so close minded on soooo many thing & this is just another one!!!🙄

[@dakrontu]

Nicky Campbell does an amazing job. He is really on the ball and snuffs out each flame that is about to become an explosion.

[@paulrichards6894]

do you think he is an atheist....i rather hope he is

[@antonimartinez9961]

@@paulrichards6894 he's a scientologist unfortunately

[@paulrichards6894]

@@antonimartinez9961 i don't believe that

[@SuperPatrick777]

You mean he suppresses the truth , the usual agender.

[@SuperPatrick777]

​@@paulrichards6894I don't.

[@bw4512]

If your research starts with your conclusions, you're only playing dress-up.

[@1TalldrinkH2O]

Nicely worded statement! And so true!

[@asandax6]

Yup

[@johnsignorino9038]

"If your research starts with your conclusions, you're only playing dress-up." And what does your research show?

[@bw4512]

@@johnsignorino9038, That 50 people agree, so far.

[@somesoccerguy4817]

That's exactly what evolution is! Starting with the conclusion 1st. Well said.

[@skyforge118]

Some peeps just can't get around in accepting that they are not special and that they will cease to exist when they die.

[@dontpanic1812]

Just like before we were born, as I've heard Ricky Gervais say. Same difference.

[@skyforge118]

@Dan C. Not knowing something does not make it god. Sometimes the answer is just we don't know. And by the way, I'm not guessing there is no god. I just refuse believing without proof. Faith is not a reliable way to truth.

[@skyforge118]

@Dan C. "not knowing something doesn't always mean there is no God either." When is this true. The kind of blanket statement that looks good but requires evidence. You would first have to prove god before saying this.

[@skyforge118]

@Dan C. That's the thing...If you are going to claim to have a relation with God, you have to prove it. The fact that we don't know for sure, but we have a pretty good idea how life started, doesn't make it god. For thousand of years god was the explanation for everything we didn't understand at the time. God is retreating everyday as we learn and understand. Complexity does not equate God and the fact that we cannot reproduce something in a lab yet does not equate God. "Coordination is the product of intelligence ONLY" This is a declaration from ignorance..it does not equate God. You are worshiping the God of the gaps.

[@skyforge118]

@Dan C. PLease produce your scientific studies proving coordination can only emanate from intelligence or god.

[@allgood6760]

It is time to accept the FACTS..

[@louisdawes2337]

There's that one guy who's really keen to clap

[@FederationStarShip]

There are a few plants

[@gpl211212]

a great example of the sickness of religion, and the damage it continues to inflict on humanity and this planet.

[@Rayblondie]

I think the opposite is true. Faith in God always produces a better society. Godliness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people.

[@SuperEdge67]

Tony Conrad I think the ‘Christian’ colonisation and genocide in Australia, South America and Africa wasn’t all that pleasant for the natives.

[@duckyducky8505]

"Top of class" yes I have small brain MHhHHHhHHHHHHh

[@Rayblondie]

@asrgaqgq sdfgsdgsdfgsdg I'm not talking about religion. What I call Godliness is faith in Christ through whom we come to the Father. Religion itself cannot bring you into a relationship with God. I wouldn't class most religions as Godliness personally.

[@Rayblondie]

@@SuperEdge67 Lots of them thank the generation who brought them the gospel. Yes some of them were out for themselves and just religion but with that came the message of the gospel from missionaries. I am so grateful that I heard the message and responded. It isn't something bad but good.

[@derekmizer6293]

"Adding god to the science adds nothing to the science. Science can stand on it's own two feet" Brilliant!

[@derekmizer6293]

@Berg Djelderian only one has EVIDENCE and it isnt the gods. The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection is our best model that explains the diversity of life of the planet. The theory makes accurate predictions. That is how one knows the model is pretty good. God and the tower of Babel explains nothing and makes no predictions.

[@derekmizer6293]

@Berg Djelderian what other model do we have that explains what we currently observe? We have DNA. Fossile records. Plus PREDICTIONS on where in the layer of rock to find certain bones. What other model provides better understanding? God dun it and tower of babel? How do u think we have dogs? It was UNNATURALLY evolved by US humans from wolves. Besides, look up the Muller experiment with fruit flies.

[@derekmizer6293]

@Berg Djelderian your ignorance of evolution is clear, theists. When did the fists speaking Latin parents give birth to an English speaking one? Languages, like species, evolve over time. You theists are fucking dense.

[@derekmizer6293]

@Berg Djelderian I am not gonna discuss science with fools who use the science in their daily lives but reject it because of their Goat Herders Guide holy book.

[@derekmizer6293]

@Berg Djelderian I have no beliefs. Evolution is what we currently observe. Evolution is the diverse species, which we see. The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection is the theory that nest explains it. Why? Evidence and predictions. The very fact u call evolution a religion, speaks volumes to your indoctrination. Go read a science book. Is the Theory of Gravity or Germ Theory, which is based on Theory of Evolution, is a religion too? What about math? Religion? What is the dogma? Idiot theists. Read a science book.

[@carolynbliss8923]

I miss this show! We need more conversation shows like this.

[@michaelreidperry3256]

Religions need to accept reality.

[@XeniteBlackthread]

The problem isn't whether religions need to accept evolution. The real question is: Should religions be allowed to dictate how people live their lives! And history teaches us that the answer to that question should be: Absolutely Not!

[@hailstar007]

+XeniteBlackthread Cant agree you more

[@kyking1670]

Yes! Exactly!

[@foreveragainOK]

Yes, instead we should have Darwin as god who influenced Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, PolPot,. Humans are just cattle. But of course Darwin himself was just a stooge of the occult. None of 'evolution' (mega evolution) ideas can be proven via test/experiment. All of its major pillars have been demolished, so that evolutionists have to scramble like Richard Lenski with his E. coli experiments, which were hailed as evolution's top example. But it was later proven to be evolution by degradation. Instead of gaining new features, the bacteria lost regulation. A mutation damaged its genetic "off" switch. 2. A simple experiment: take two dead fish. Throw one on the beach. It will decay or be prey to scavengers. Take another one and bury it in sediment/water. The latter is what happens in real life; this is what creates fossils, not slow eons of ages. Rapid, catastrophic burial. Even secular geologists are accepting this; but of course they still rebel against the notion of a worldwide, short time catastrophe could create the Earth's face. But 70% of Earth's rocks are sedimentary, formed by water/sediments. And the fossils embedded are therefore as young as the rocks. See Mt. St. Helens. After a few decades it appears to be 'ancient' topography. Or the 200 year old lava flow in Hawaii, radiometric dated as hundreds of millions of years. And of course, radio dating is extremely flawed; this can be tested and proven with actual science, not speculation.3. All of the major evolutionary 'pillars' can be easily demolished like the dead fish example.

[@thetruthchannel349]

"XeniteBlackthread1 year ago The problem isn't whether religions need to accept evolution. The real question is: Should religions be allowed to dictate how people live their lives!" NO ONE HAS EVER TRIED TO DICTATE HOW YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE OTHER THAN THE GOVERNMENT YOU LYING SON OF A BITCH.

[@thetruthchannel349]

LET ME EXPLAIN THAT PREMISE. THATS YOUR GUILT SCREAMING YA STUPID SON OF A BITCH.

[@Pottial]

Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?" Priest: "No, not if you did not know." Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?" ~ Annie Dillard

[@bennuttall4240]

Genuinely surprised they didn't have Richard Dawkins as a debater

[@theistthinker7345]

Short answer: Yes Long answer: Yeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssss

[@numbersix9477]

LOL! I'm going to steal that reply!

[@viren2745]

next "Is it time for religions to accept reality"

[@douglaswilliams7720]

Michael brown..you don't understand evolution.There is no magic,unlike religions.If you want magic,try Harry Potter or faith.

[@douglaswilliams7720]

how about...'is it time for religions to accept that prayer doesn't work,which is why we need antibiotics.'?....or 'is it time for religions to admit that most shagging is done for pleasure,as we don't need billions more people on the planet.'?...or 'is it time for religions to realise that watching porn is harmless,but circumcising small boys is nasty,and banning contraception is evil.'?

[@douglaswilliams7720]

No,it is a scientific theory,that has since been validated by evidence. 3/10 for effort .You must do better next time,or you will be in detention.

[@douglaswilliams7720]

I give you only 2/10 for this effort,and that's for using a fun word like sorcerously. The content is not good,you must go to detention and write out 100 times 'Evolution has been verified by fossil evidence, DNA evidence, protein structure similarities in animals and plants, embryology, the appearance of antibiotic resistant bacteria, the obvious divisions of animals into groups like fish,cats,dogs,apes,,and the fact that evolution is the underlying unified idea behind all life science.'

[@MKTElM]

Michael Brown the genetic code is a code , right ? Then there must be an encoder !

[@NameGoesHere341]

As an American, I'm very troubled and confused seeing a civil conversation between opposing views. Why aren't they screaming? Accusing? Making outrageous claims? Where are the awesome expensive graphics scrolling on the screen to keep me entertained when big words are being used? This is all very stressful for me.

[@mern461]

lol American methods of debate..THIS is English debate

[@JohnSmith-ms4xd]

"Making outrageous claims?" well you might want to reconsider that one.

[@jexsubrejhma6599]

You're probably confusing American scientific and religious oppositions with American talk shows. American scientific and religious oppositions often have decent and civil conversations without promoting aggressive behaviors on most occasions. English scientific and religious oppositions tend to be calmer but also passive-aggressive.

[@JohnSmith-ms4xd]

+Tribal Wolf Studios "religion is not harmful its good there are people being healed and coming out of wheel chairs and blind eye being open" Name a religion that doesn't claim this about its supposed miracle workers. Then name a single instance of evidence for religion (in the absence and instead of an application of medical science) bringing anything like this about.

[@JohnSmith-ms4xd]

+Tribal Wolf Studios "there is way more proof for his existence of Jesus than atheists have got for there beleif" Atheists don't have a belief that's common to them, that's the whole point; rejecting a specific form of belief. There is no evidence that Jesus was anything but a normal person, and a good portion of historians are not even convinced he actually existed. "John Smith I have never heard or seen people being healed in any other name than Jesus , we are not making statements that's not proven there are people actually being healed in Jesus" Look at the apologetic rhetoric of any religion and you will find that. How many amputees have been healed "in Jesus' name"? It should make you think that he can only deal with symptoms that are easily faked, just like all other religions claim. "why would anyone be healed by frosty the snow man , frosty the snow man isn't real" You got the relevant parallels between frosty and jesus right, good job.

[@colmac31]

Should be titled: is it time except there should be no religion.

[@ramptonarsecandle]

Evolution is an observed scientific fact, it doesn't need to be believed it just is. Think of it like gravity, it doesn't matter if you think it's real or not.

[@TwiddleJones]

I believe I can fly

[@ramptonarsecandle]

@@TwiddleJones ok show me

[@tkenglander6226]

Dr. Steve Lloyd: "Why did Jesus die on the cross?" Answer: Because crucifixion kills people. Duh.

[@1toniah]

it is nothing than bullshit

[@khuplian3891]

Because Jesus didn't have passport, plus he don't have license to speech

[@khuplian3891]

Example like u

[@khuplian3891]

God he is more like evil of all , if he really created everything from nothing, he flood Earth with kill innocence he thinks he can solve by that 😂😂😂😂 mythology Bible said , if you don't believe evolution (science) plz don't u ever go to hospital ( doc) why don't u go church ask God to heal ur shit?

[@Erc294]

Tbh it is likely that a guy named Jesus died crucified back then. Now the rest, of him raising from the dead and all that is bs.

[@d___a__n_]

I have the impression, that in a lot of these debates, the scientists always leave with a smile and the religious people leave with an angry face.... this alone draws me to the science side. They look way more fun.

[@jnoir87]

So in answer to the question of the debate: no, now is not the time for religions to accept evolution; that time was 50 years ago.

[@alphonsefontaine7591]

Prove the GOD that answers our prayers again and again is not real, then tell me what is the prize you will get if you make up a good lie that God does not exist.

[@drakocarrion]

@@alphonsefontaine7591 No god answers your prayers. & I can prove it. Pray for a better argument & get back to me when he answers you.

[@saaranshkulkarni2350]

God should just upload the creation livestream on KZbin and be done with this debate once and for all

[@drakocarrion]

That would be pretty difficult considering fictional characters don't have that ability.

[@arkatheistcc2353]

Even if he did, although I would no longer be an athiest, I would not pray to them, as every godmyth is morally reprehensible

[@louisbaker4362]

Otherwise known as a spore let's play.

[@drakocarrion]

@@say7628 Your god didn't create anything. He isn't real.

[@AndyGalloway]

God isn't trying to convince you. He's offering you a gift of eternal life. If you don't want it, more fool you. I don't know where you lot get off thinking anyone is trying to convince you. I'm not. I'm just passing along a message. If you are that scared of the world that you've got to close yourself down to what you can control and what you can understand, you are a very small person indeed.

[@WisdomVendor1]

Isaac Newton stopped his investigation into gravity due to a 'religious fallback'. He concluded that 'god did it' as the cause of gravity. It saddens me that one of the greatest minds to exist was deluded by religion and blocked by a religious 'wall'.

[@foreveragainOK]

Yes, it's a wonder of accidents that gravity is perfect. Imagine a ruler that stretches across the universe, and one inch increments. Out of all those inches, we happen to fall in the perfect one inch that enables life. Hm, that's a nice accident. Same with everything that enables life. Even if one was by chance, it would be a miracle. But a dozen? All of them? Nature sure is smart, able to create molecular machines more complicated than any human creation; or codes in the genome that are three dimensional (and more to discovered), and even reverse. Well, that Nature Mother is sure smart. She can give us a perfect Sun and Moon, a perfect solar system that confounds astronomers who say 'How come it's like this? It's beyond our expectations.' A perfect place in a perfect galaxy... anywhere else we would be toast; well, good thing she's smart, she must have formed an accidental map. Or put everything in precise order, so that if we had a time space machine we could pinpoint a target and hit it, even though everything is moving (eg we travel around the Sun 1,.6 million miles every day... well that Mother Nature sure has a nice train schedule. Why, she has all the attributes of God, or at least the physical ones. She's really smart.

[@briancomley8210]

He wasn't the only one.

[@ViniciusAL20]

Atheists, they think that they are the most intelligent beings in the world, because they are atheists.

[@briancomley8210]

NO, they just need proof before believing in some non being, we are all the same otherwise. Some are good some are bad, l would like to call religious people miss informed.

[@ramadansteve1715]

Num Sei Thats because atheists know how critical thinking works. Two words: Russels Teapot

[@abdulmaleksayed1485]

The main concern is Islam

[@FactStorm]

Religious people have no business talking about logic lmao

[@paulrichards6894]

their confidence in a god is frightening.....

[@wprandall2452]

You are religious, and know nothing about logic. Define for me Truth. Logic is reasoning according to the Truth. It can refer to human reasoning, but that is either right or wrong, and must be deduced by logical reasoning.

[@FactStorm]

@@wprandall2452 I am religious? Lmao..where in the world do you get such garbage?

[@drakocarrion]

@@wprandall2452 Do stop talking such utter ignorant bollocks.

[@wprandall2452]

@@FactStorm You don't seem to realize that when you said that religious people know nothing about truth, you claimed that you know the truth and have the correct religion. There is no such thing as no religion with people. I noticed that you said nothing about truth in your answer. I know about truth, and have written books on it. If you know truth, where is it coming from within you?

[@erikkartman1213]

The answer to this question is "YES!" Problem solved! Thank you and have a good night.

[@XxSeedOfEvilxX]

+Erik Kartman Or perhaps they shouldn&#39;t so we can continue to see people leaving religion in droves as they learn the simple hard facts.

[@ZER0--]

+Eli S. Ramirez Wish....

[@732doglover]

+Blake Avon Amen, praise God, the Lord Jesus Christ saves! He came to this earth and fulfilled over 300 prophecies. Stand firm in the faith :)

[@zhoupact8567]

+Erik Kartman Is it time for all religions to accept evolution? The answer is &quot;no&quot;! It time for all religions to die!!!

[@732doglover]

Caim Pact Hi, religion can't save anyone, but the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ can and does save. Jesus was severely whipped and had a crown of thorns put in His head, He had to carry His cross all the way up to His site of crucifixion and Jesus' hand and feet were pierced with nails to the cross. He was mocked and spat on, yet said, "Father, forgive them for they do not know what they are doing". He took all of our guilt and our shame and our sins and nailed them to the cross. He rose again on the third day defeating death #victory

[@gauravsinha6060]

I wish there were Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens in the debate.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"I wish there were Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens." Wow, and there are Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens! What power you possess!

[@MaheshMV666]

Then a group of atheists leave the room at the end

[@anthonydavis9662]

@Michael Brown I'm sad that you apparently take pithy quotes expressing mere opinions as some basis for judging the truth of Evolution. Says a lot about you, Mike....and it's not good...

[@alfredphillips2057]

Duh, Christopher Hitchens is now in the part of paradise where there is torment awaiting the white throne judgment where he will have to give an account to everything he said and did to Almighty God and I'm quite sure if he was allowed to come back, he would plead with you not be like he was, a broken-hearted lover of God who became so furious with God for the death of his mother and brother and wrote that stupid book "God is not great"... why so angry? I thought he didn't believe there was one. hello!

[@anthonydavis9662]

@@alfredphillips2057 Well I guess these are the lies that people like you need to believe because you can't rationally argue with the impossible-to-refute moral arguments against believing in God which Hitchens articulated so eloquently in his book? That he was "mad at God". Honestly, if I had a nickel for every time a religious person tried to use this ignorant argument...anyway....as an atheist and an admirer of Hitchens, I can tell you this conclusively and without reservation: atheists are NOT "mad at God". You can't be "mad" at something which you don't believe in. It's as simple as that, and I know that that rankles you because you haven't even taken the first tentative steps of examining the basis for your beliefs, and you probably wouldn't have the courage to even start looking for other data outside of your Bible or similar Apologetic authors. It's obvious that you didn't read Hitchens' book; if you did, you'd see through the ridiculous insult that you made.

[@fredphilippi8388]

The short answer is YES. Science is knowledge.

[@jrsanti]

If we are created, who created the creator?

[@MamaMama-sv3b]

He is eternal other wise we will go infinit egress

[@jrsanti]

@@MamaMama-sv3b you just made that shit up.

[@MamaMama-sv3b]

@@jrsantihe create the universe he does not bond with law of nature physica

[@jrsanti]

@@MamaMama-sv3b that’s the very definition of made up shit.

[@notmenotyou]

remember kids, science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings

[@Ibanez7400]

Amusing fly to the moon? Is that not what they say to the Insane? Amusing means to not think.Muse is to think. Are you sure this is not an Evolution Religion teaching. Or one of those so called think critical jokes of indoctrinated teachings of Hitler. Let's say think critical? Here is the question?> Did you stop abusing your children Yes or No only? Hmm if You say yes? You admit to abusing them in the past. If you say no? You are still abusing them. What is your choice? Yes or No? I used to teach and believe this crap. The good thing is the more you study Science the more truth will be revealed. Evolution is just an other religion. They say today 1 in 12 people believe in Evolution? Not true..Many Scientists rebuke Evolution but like their pay. I ask many questions within the science realm. A few were honest. Believe it or not...Some did not believe the crap they teach. I would have to say if it was not for money? The science percent would not be 1 in 12 rather maybe possibly if many speaking the truth? it would be 1 in 36 believe in Evolution in the Sciences. The average idiot maybe 1 in 10. give or take a neutral brain.

[@notmenotyou]

ok wtf are you talking about, I can only see abuse children or hitler. And btw, Hitler did far less damage to the world than christianity alone

[@louistournas120]

ThePanicLegend He said that the word "amusing" means to not think but my dictionary defines it as divert; occupy pleasantly; excite a sense of fun. It is related to the word "muse". I'm not english. I have no idea why he mentions the definition of the word amuse and muse.

[@notmenotyou]

nor am I but, honestly I think that guy used google translate, some things don't make sense but the spelling is A ok

[@speak4creator]

Very funny....but the application of bible principles which is missing in most religions is where the problem lies. There is no such thing as religion only truth or lies!!!

[@nickacelvn]

They fight because you are taking away there perceived hope. As an atheist, I can wholly understand that its a daunting prospect that we are nothing but evolved slime that has evolved so much as to be able to think deeply.

[@nickacelvn]

Yes I do struggle with that a tad, I don't wish to be mean and I'm sure in some instances (like when a parent has lost a child) it must bring enormous relief to imagine that they are in heaven and when they die they will see them again. (I'd like to think I'm not hassling those types) I'm TRYING to hassle the fundamentalists and the ghadists..you know the bat shit crazy highly vocal and motivated religious nuts 😉

[@Vurbanowicz]

The arbitrary and subjective part of your statement is "nothing but." Yes, we are evolved slime, but look at how far we've come.

[@hilarylazard7554]

No need to go to extremes!

[@Rayblondie]

Don't worry Nickacelvn we don't lose hope because of evolution theory. We are all in a spiritual battle whether we realise it or not.

[@drakocarrion]

@@Rayblondie The only battle you're in is the one where you have to lie to yourself about science you don't understand to convince yourself your piffly little god delusion isn't bullshit. & you're losing because your god delusion is bullshit.

[@TisEYEthe1]

That Scientist/Paleontologist in the front row who said that he was Christian begs the question: Why? I don't mean why Christian, I mean why need any religion at all? He later stated that he's Christian due to the fact that he grew up in a Christian household. Isn't that basically why we're all part of whatever religion that we represent?

[@AlokKumar-tk1ty]

Obviously

[@georgianwindow]

This seems to be an argument between Darwin- followers and the mainstream Churches. on the the evident world around us and the bible.. Both parties have wonderful material to work with. and both groups have certain ideas and both draw flawed conclusions. This planet is way more than 6000 years according to the bible and everything around us points to design and immense power from the huge creations to the microscopic. The churches of Christendom do not teach nor really follow what the bible really says. They just pick out the biits they like and ignore its laws. The bible is a book of prophecy that never fail to come true. This is the time .. We are all living in the time that will see these prophecies overtake us. Let the reader show discernment. We have been given a good brain and moral sense to draw wise conclusions. Despite what Mr Dawkins says and despite the churches failings the bible does also provide us with practical wisdom like everything else we have to understand the context, and the hard thing living by it's principles.

[@Andymartin1175]

Science starts at "How do we explain this?" and works forward. Religion starts at "God did it" then works backward.

[@devilquill]

Watching these religious folks reminds me of Mark Twain's maxim: "It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled."

[@thetruthchannel349]

YOURE A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT YOURE JUST TOO STUPID TO REALIZE IT.

[@suckkmycandles]

shut the fuck up, mercy. you too, Truth Channel. you're both full of shit.

[@Rayblondie]

That is true from a christian perspective also.

[@davidschartung6389]

Anyone who claps needlessly should be asked to leave, it's very annoying in the context of a civil debate.

[@renge9909]

*claps*

[@keithrose6931]

David Schartung Get a life !

[@killakristian7084]

lol.. i applaud your comment

[@FlyingSpaghettiMonster2000]

When not saying to kill everyone else, the quran says to enquire... Watching sects argue just adds more weight to the argument of atheism. They cant agree on whats meant to be the word of their creator...

[@smlanka4u]

Why men have nipples? Genetic evolution almost explains it, but can we find a good reason for it from a religion?

[@Pikkabuu]

Of course. "God did it".

[@hevsreids6989]

God spilled the pepperoni

[@billmilligan7272]

"Information does not arise from dead matter." Dude, ever read a book on slices of dead tree? Ever seen a forensic specialist determine information from bones? What does that even mean?

[@SpeakerWiggin49]

They are always super vague about the meaning of "information." Makes way for people who doubt god but can't let go of the security blanket to claim spirits and the universe put out "vibrations" that we can feel in the "frequency" of our personalities.

[@timbo_tigger]

It means he hasn't got a clue. Which is why he can think it's ok if the world is only 6000 years old.

[@SpeakerWiggin49]

@Michael Brown Or consider the lifetimes of work spent on understanding how the world works. Pearls before swine though, knowledge certainly wasted on you.

[@theadderallavenger]

@Bill Milligan While I see the point you're making, at the very least your first example would fit his "designer" narrative, as words on a page are put there by someone. And your second one requires an interpreter of sorts, which would do nothing to dissuade him because of his lack of understanding.

[@SpeakerWiggin49]

@Michael Brown Wrong once again. Evolution is the result of the mechanism of Natural Selection. If you don't understand how adaptations get spread through the gene pool and how female mates select who is not fit to reproduce, then you will obviously turn back to your Bable to explain everything for you and get Bronze Age superstition.

[@alansimmons9621]

I worry that debating with creationists gives some false legitimacy to these absurd religious fundamentalists.

[@JustDave69]

I don’t think so. It’s the free speech argument for me, as long as there’s a fair representation on each side, you can watch this if you’ve never previously had a view and make your own mind up. Hopefully after taking a balanced view, anyone with a modicum of good old common sense will come to the conclusion that people who think the earth is 10000 years old and that there’s life after death, are fucking nut jobs. 🤓

[@Rayblondie]

Why can't you just live and let live? The world has always had contrary points of view. Just attacking things with a kind of hatred doesn't bring peace into the world. In my town it's the Christians which put up the homeless, man the foodbank, give free financial advice, pastor on the street amongst the nightlife of Friday and Saturday and scores of other things I won't bore you with and yet you would write them off because of evolution. Something is wrong somewhere..

[@alansimmons9621]

@@Rayblondie yes secularists and the religious do good things. I do "live and let live". Secularists don't impose their views on our lack of belief on others. It is the religious fundamentalists that indoctrinate children through hate filled tirades against the LGBT community as well as undermining women's rights. I could add in the wholesale sexual abuse of children and the institutional cover up that continues to this day.

[@JustDave69]

Tony Conrad oh please! Like attacking religion is a hobby. I’m not the one quoting Leviticus when it suits.

[@Rayblondie]

@@alansimmons9621 You have it wrong Alan but I won't bore you with an argument. You seem to have chosen your road in believing a lie and you will have to live with it.

[@deanmoncaster]

"my make believe is the truth" "My evidence based fact is the truth" "I don't believe you" That's religion in a nutshell. Also why were the religious and science people so stereotypical of the type of person they were?

[@buckyoung4578]

As you dismiss the truth of faith (religion is organized faith based on certain theology tenets-please stop being an idiot and using the wrong words for things you know ZERO about), you can not accept the truth contained in the Bible. Sad for you.

[@deanmoncaster]

@@buckyoung4578 you cannot accept reality so hide behind a comfortable book. Sad for you.

[@richardbradley1532]

The time was several decades ago.

[@numbersix9477]

Didn't you mean, "several decades plus a century"?

[@pimjcb9964]

One thing is for sure, creationist is not the way to go. They make humanity look stupid.

[@ryanleach4336]

your stance is based on the fact of being embarrassed?

[@ryanleach4336]

Ryan Leach and you were "liked" based on that statement? And you choose to take an evil image to rep you? Anyone seeing through the evil here?

[@pimjcb9964]

Ryan Leach Regarding my picture, it's a fantasy/fictional character, but i do know it's hard for you people to see the difference between fictional and real. And it's not about being embarrassed but you should be embarrassed when fables like snow white or pinocchio would fit perfectly in your make believe book.

[@pimjcb9964]

TheDusk420 What's evil about making a statement on people who are willfully ignorant / stupid. The way i see it, that they want to be looked at it that way.