Air Handler, Centerline Plenum Transition and Return Air Installation

A simple electric air handler is installed in this video. Step by step you can see the project come together with each stroke of the hammer. An almost continual description of the work being performed is given at each step. Almost all the assembly during the video is running in FFwd mode to keep the video within a reasonable length. Many times, speeding up the recording shows HOW something takes shape better than the slow normal speed of the actual work. The only other way to shorten a video is to cut out a portion of the work and that does no one any good. That's MY personal opinion, yours may vary. At any rate, if a viewer wants to see it slower, it has been brought to my attention that you as the viewer have that capability on screen. So those that want to watch it slower have that option as well.
Bear in mind this video is not suggesting this is the only way to install a particular piece of equipment. It's only one way of hundreds of ways it could be accomplished. If I were to install another identical air handler tomorrow there is ZERO chance it would be exactly like this because the requirement for connection would be different. It's just the way it is. I made one big mistake while installing the return air drop....one I never make when installing a job. I didn't notice it until it was too late, and only the experienced installer will catch what it is that was not copesthetic. I can blame the mistake on concentrating on the video too much and not on the project. Yeah...we'll go with that.
This house is a total re-hab project...actually a total re-BUILD. My cousin bought it in foreclosure and dismantled it stick by stick, salvaged all the materials possible and built all new one-level sub-floors over the crawl space to level out multi-level floors of the previous decades. He then totally redesigned the entire house and used the existing materials to build a modern home adding a two car garage at the same time. The only portion of the original structure that was not dismantled was the sub-floor directly above this tiny cellar in which the air handler is sitting. The old duct work was salvaged and then re-installed by him throughout the whole crawl space beyond this block wall. Because it is a crawl space he used the double Mylar covered bubble wrap to insulate the whole system after this portion of the job was completed.
This video is primarily for those that are either just interested in how some ductwork adaptions are installed OR those who may be in the field and wanting to learn more about the installation side of the HVAC industry. It's not really for experienced guys that have a good handle on this segment. It will be either totally boring to them or possibly a source of entertainment because they know much better an easier way to accomplish the task.
Hopefully whatever category you are in there was a bit of entertainment for you....and if you are a skeptical 'pro'...please note that its the confident person that admits there is never only one way to do anything. Its the end result that counts.

[@thekidsta1]

This is the guy you wanna work with and learn. Graduated AC school and it would have been awesome to learn this craft with you sir

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks Eddie for the awesome comment !! I don't do much at all with sheet metal any more. But that's ok. A guys just gotta learn when its time to 'pass the torch' on to the next generation.

[@tomwalker9184]

Wendell i love watching your hvac videos, as i have installed a few myself for over 50 yrs and trained a few guy's thinking they wanted to learn hvac business. Watching you is like watching Bob Ross painting a masterpiece. THANK GOD FOR ZIP SCREWS!!!

[@tractorman4461]

I remember the first day hanging duct with an old guy back in the mid 70's. I'd hold an 8' piece of trunk line as he would use a punch to poke a hole in the hanger and bottom of the duct then run in a pan head with a flat screw driver. THEN I got a better job in the big city. The guy that owned the company gave me a Black and Decker VSR electric drill, a 50' cord and a NUT RUNNER. I asked him what that was for.... LOL. He handed me a 500 count box of 1/4' x 3/4 hex head zip screws and like they say...the REST is history. LOL. Good GAWD...I thought I'd died and went to heaven !!! A couple years later a buddy bought a 7.2 volt Makita battery drill. What an incredible discovery that was. I'm sure Tom, that you remember all those kind of things as well. Thank you for taking the time to always make the best of comments !! The Bob Ross part really cracked up the Missus...

[@dontarguewithfools]

Awesome memories. I always felt so grateful for being younger. I started in in 2005 at 22 yrs old

[@cmoore8434]

Man, I'm less than halfway through this video and have decided I need to learn everything about EVERYTHING from these videos. Very good instructor!!

[@tractorman4461]

Well, thank you for the awesome comment. I have a ton of sheet metal layout and installs in the playlists if you want to see a lot of them in one place. Here's one for example: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1tqw8ST_xdUlPoy_O-SmuBx and here is another: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd. Enjoy... !!

[@the_cursor]

Here's me now thinking I can do this after one viewing. Good video.

[@tractorman4461]

It might take a little trial and error...but if I can do it just about anybody can. Btw, if you like sheet metal vids, have you found the playlists up above yet? If not, here's a suggestion: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1tqw8ST_xdUlPoy_O-SmuBx. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment.

[@loufaulkner1004]

You are skilled sir. I’m a service technician and whenever we do system swaps the plenum modifications is what takes me the longest by far. Looking forward to more videos to learn from so I can improve. Thank you!

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks Lou for the supportive comment. I too am a retired service tech. The last 20, 25 years most all commercial service, start ups, and building automation. Tons of DDC control conversions on older existing RTU's. If you want to see a good series, check this one out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqenkpVraJyoopY I have several sheet metal vids contained in playlists above.

[@Clones2011]

You've probably heard this before but you are like the Bob Ross of sheet metal. I mean that with the most respect. Thank you.

[@tractorman4461]

Hahahahahahaha...yeah, Bob Ross had a pile of hair too didn't he... LOL. Thank you for the kind comment and I DO take that as a supreme compliment. Btw...up on my tool bar there is a couple playlists that are sheet metal only..if you are interested that is.

[@jimjimjim5279]

Great analogy! He has that very calm demeanor and you know that he knows what he's doing.

[@tjonna5844]

Thank you my friend i was stuck pondering on a transition, and the best take away i got was at a 1minute 45sec. Part of your video, when u said to take out the screws to not hit the drain pan or coil, and use the same spot to fasten…. Wowwwww i was making it so complicated.

[@tractorman4461]

Awesome !! Glad the tip helped you out. Remember there isn't just ONE way to do something. It's just that some ways are just better than others. Thanks for watching and if you have time to slip through a few, try this playlist of sheet metal videos: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1tqw8ST_xdUlPoy_O-SmuBx The first few are boring straight ducts, they get a bit more interesting down a few vids on the list.

[@BozemanHomeImproveme]

I want to say this is the most amazing instruction video i have seen on a furnace this is amazing..

[@tractorman4461]

Thank you Edward for showing your appreciation in such an awesome comment. If you like metal work, I do have a couple playlists of sheet metal only up above in the PLAYLIST heading. If you'd like to see a difficult fabrication and installation, you could try this one: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd or just random sheet metal projects: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1tqw8ST_xdUlPoy_O-SmuBx Thanks again for watching !!

[@chazdenross7230]

This is one of the best instructional videos I have seen on You Tube. This guy is a pro.

[@tractorman4461]

Well now, that comment raises the bar a little high for a old fat guy to clear. But I thank you for the very kind words Chazden. But if you do enjoy the metal videos and have the time, try checking out this playlist, its one of several that are mostly sheet metal layout, fabrication and installation: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqenkpVraJyoopY If you kinda like to read, on some videos I expand greatly on the content of the video in the description box.

[@dicklane86]

The Bob Ross of ductwork.

[@tractorman4461]

I guess he was another hairy and ugly old guy....?? LOL. Thank you for the compliment and yes, I know he was an awesome painter. Thanks again Derick and have a wonderful evening !!

[@d.j.robinson9424]

Outstanding sir.! I hope the youngsters take note, that's the only way to cut corners..👍💛👍

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks for watching and making such an awesome comment D.J. Check out this playlist if you want a little more: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqenkpVraJyoopY There are a couple other playlists up top too. Thanks again !!

[@ambiguoussoul1246]

Very nicely done Sir. A pleasure to see how the finish product is produced. Thanks.

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment Joe. I don't usually get to record one going in because I don't want to show someones basement. But this one was my cousins during a re-build of the whole house.

[@mafarmtown2086]

Enjoyed watching the video on the installation . The Rehab Addict, Nicole Curtis, is one of my favorite shows to watch, so would have been interesting to see the rehab on this house. See you on the next project!

[@tractorman4461]

Yes, you would have enjoyed to see what it was and what it has become. My cousin lives in a small lake community with roughly 67 landowners owning homes. If I remember correctly, this is close to the 30th one he has either bought and totally rebuilt or rehabbed for existing inhabitants. My daughter bought one (before I started you tubing) from him when he was partially finished with it. I didn't even think to take a lot of pictures before and just a few during, but we have turned her house into a really nice home. We bought it as soon as he finished the siding and the interior wall relocations and some basic wiring. We then roofed it, wired it the rest of the way, plumbed it, hung the drywall, installed new HVAC system ducts furnace and a/c, (it only had window units and baseboard heaters), hardwoods throughout, new cabinets, deck, sewer system, tons of wood work and landscaping. I recently did a 'redo' of a video highlighting some of the wood work including a walnut hand rail from her Great grandfathers Hotel and Mercantile built in 1882. We used a lot of walnut lumber we sawed off the home place in '75 for utility room cabinet and bathroom vanity doors. I've just been hesitant to upload it. Whoa...I got carried away.... LOL.

[@shockingguy]

Damn, OK I’ve watched a lot of furnace guys in a lot of sheet metal work here on KZbin and I’ve never seen anyone who is definitely got decades of muscle memory on how to put this stuff together, I learned the screwdriver sheet metal cutting trick decades ago as a way to remove a fender in the junkyard without power tools ha ha, I wish I knew you in person and could spend a year with you, I like how you work I like how you think you’re an excellent teacher and your video is one of the most practical and well edited of all the ones I’ve watched, you don’t waste time you show it has to be done and you get it done 👏👏👏

[@tractorman4461]

I broke in with some pretty rough guys that felt us 'kids' were there to take their jobs. Most of them wouldn't give a fella a tip or share any knowledge hardly at all. I swore if I EVER got to the point of being able to share with others I'd give it freely to anyone who cares for it. KZbin has been an awesome avenue for that. Btw, I have several playlists above if you've the time. Like this one: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd This is a series from start to finish and you may enjoy some of the stuff in there.

[@shockingguy]

@@tractorman4461 yeah I heard you say you were a visual learner and I am too, I’m mostly an electrician, I did 35 years of alarm and fire alarm work, and then everything else from doorbells to 480 V, I’ve also grown up in the building maintenance world everything from nursing homes to20 story buildings to suburban department stores to 400 room hotels. So I’ve had my hands and everything, I’m supposed to be doing a furnace this week change out with a friend, so I’ve been doing some learning and relearning of some tips on high-efficiency venting and transitions, hopefully we’ll get a furnace to just match, his A coil is in a strange place 2 feet above the furnace so we’re just leaving all that, I will look at more of your videos I find them thoroughly enjoyable I have some stuff on my channel you might want to look at it’s mostly all kinds of stuff but there are videos of me working on my friends building on the big pumps and other stuff

[@irishhandyman2009]

Thank you so much for this info. I enjoy watching a true craftsman at work. Ill be installing a lil 42K BTU gas furnace for a friend of mine. Doing the pipework, electrical and all that is old hat. Doing that Smithy work is something Ive done very lil of. You gave away a lot of valuable tips and tricks. Your effort is much appreciated.

[@tractorman4461]

Well John Boy, I figure if a guy like me can figure out how to do it most anybody can. LOL It takes a little while though if you take pride in the end product. So many guys want to slam it in and get gone with the money in their pocket. A few tools make a big difference. But they are out there in almost every town across America...just sitting in a shed or garage collecting dust. Good luck with your project and I am glad to have you stop by. If you have time,might wanna look at this playlist: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqenkpVraJyoopY There should be something like 17 videos in this series and its pretty comprehensive.

[@blessedson8045]

I was so saaad that this video doesn't have 50K+ like. You did a good job sir.

[@tractorman4461]

Hahahaha...thank you for the kind wishes for a successful video. I don't know how the 'like' thing effects the vids, so I don't really pay attention to them. Btw, I have a ton of sheet metal vids up in the playlists above like this one here: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd or this one here: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1tqw8ST_xdUlPoy_O-SmuBx There's a LOT to see in these....transitions, plenums and return air fittings with built in filter rack etc. Thank you again for the fun comment buddy. Enjoy your stay.

[@RockoRocko-rz7kx]

Nice work looks tight and clean. I wish i had a teacher like you for my tin work.

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks Rocko for the nice comment. I spent lot of time figuring out how to use the machines to produce an adequate product. As a young service tech, I used to inspect closely any kind of fancy duct joints, bends and fittings to better understand how the old timer laid them out. I have a real nice project going on right now. Some real cool metal on a total system retrofit, complete with motorized backdraft dampers for an air handler and wood fired furnace.

[@wheeltwavel]

Agree with all the comments pure craftsmanship and speed, it would take me a whole day, bleeding hands and I'd probably end up wrapping the thing with aluminum tape.

[@tractorman4461]

Hahahaha...that's funny. Thank you for both the kind words and the smile this morning. But I'm sure you would fare much better than you describe. By the way, if you enjoy sheet metal videos, there are a few sheet metal fabrication and installation videos up in the PLAYLIST heading like this one: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd You may find a bit of entertainment in these. Thank you for the kind comment as well.

[@williammarik6159]

Outstanding work ! I,m an old-school tinner like you even down to snipping the corners on the drive-cleats. 30-plus yrs. for me.Still at it.

[@tractorman4461]

That's cool William. I'm in the middle of a nasty job for my son right now. So that's going to be a good three or four videos in a series. Air handler, all new duct in a renovation project, adding a wood fired furnace and motorized back draft dampers in the supply plenum of the air handler and in the short trunk line from the wood furnace. I've got a couple sheet metal playlists put together up top if you are interested. They really aren't geared for experienced guys, but if you just like watching sheet metal videos, be my guest. Thank you for the compliment up above !!

[@padroooo]

I am impressed. I have a new furnace to install and just picked it up today. The last one I installed was when I built my house about 27 years ago. Thanks for the tips.

[@tractorman4461]

Awesome.....good luck with the install. Here's a good attic installation you may enjoy: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd Thanks for watching and commenting today!!

[@pjimpin]

Always enjoy watching a craftsman that knows exactly how and what needs to be done. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.

[@tractorman4461]

Well James, I can only record the installs in certain conditions so I miss a lot of them. And I appreciate all you guys that enjoy the efforts. If you want a real good one, when you have time check this playlist out: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd

[@ramonortiz5651]

Excellent work. I always enjoy watching your videos too see what Mr.44 is up to.

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks Ramon....there's always something else stuck in the chute !! I'm trying like the devil to catch up on the backlog. It ain't working too good.

[@daviddesilva4971]

Great install, Tractorman44. Today's rookies would throw a flex connection on the supply and return to compensate for there inability to measure with precision.Thxs for the vids!

[@tractorman4461]

I have used flex connections commercially in the past but only as vibration isolation. I don't remember ever using them in a residential application unless hanging a unit from the trusses in an attic, but that too would've been for vibration isolation. But I have seen a lot of them on units while on service calls. Thanks David for the comment !!

[@bobbg9041]

@@tractorman4461 Thats what they used at my house to do a hvac replace job. They do have good sheet metal guys. They designed a filter spot at the shop for a air bear glassflo type filter 5" thick in the return L . But they used the flex boots on both return air and presure air sides. Almost no sheet metal work was done at the house.

[@tractorman4461]

@@bobbg9041 Yes, there really isn't anything wrong with flex connectors, as they provide a specific benefit to an installation. The most important thing about your change-out was the addition of the filter slot for the special filter. I'm not familiar with that particular filter, but I'm assuming its an expanded surface pleated filter. Sounds like you are enjoying a dust and pollen free indoor space !!

[@GUESS843]

It's a pleasure watching, old-school tips are the best!!Great job!

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks man...I appreciate the supportive comment. I've got a ton of sheet metal videos in the playlists above. Here's one with a lot of variety: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd Thanks for watching and I hope you find some more of them interesting as well.

[@tractortalkwithgary1271]

I like how you explain what you are doing as you go... and why you are doing it that way.

[@tractorman4461]

Good Morning Gary. A picture paint a thousand words, but words along with the picture make it much more easily understandable....at least I think so. Thanks for watching and I'm sure the snow is all but gone up there. It's muddy as the devil down here. Take care my friend.

[@robertbragg9364]

I learned from my uncle, and he does things almost exactly the same way you do. We used the old screwdriver trick, too. I use the dewalt demo chisel now. I have the exact same hammer. I'm 36, and the hammer is about 35 years old! My uncle taught me S was for the shape/smooth seem, and the C was for channel/clip. We always called them S or C channel/clip. It shows you that if someone wants to work and make a living for themselves, you don't need a ton of tools or a bunch of crazy names for things to get the job done. You just need to get off the couch and get to work. Into home depot I go on Sunday at 3:30pm to go install a furnace. My second job today. I installed rear calipers and pads on a 2003 envoy this morning for $140. Now, to install a furnace in a barn loft - man cave for $400. It's not too bad for a Sunday by yourself in Northern Ohio. Great job, and thanks for sharing your skills. I appreciate it 🙏

[@tractorman4461]

Awesome comment Robert. There is so much work out there to do its unbelievable that anyone with the ability to learn and work is unemployed. I applaud your integrity as a working man that 's not afraid of getting your hands dirty !! Keep on keepin' on my friend and learn all you can as you do. If you've the time and interest, check out this one here:kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2Oud3-QfMeNras You may find it interesting and thank you for stopping by and taking the time for the cool comment.

[@patrcrnn]

Great video. Thanks. Always nice to see a craftsman at work!

[@tractorman4461]

Well, by golly Patrick, thank you for the kind comment. I DO have a lot of sheet metal videos up in the playlists if you are interested. Here is a sample of what you might find:kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2Oud3-QfMeNras

[@marcelorescala8935]

your workmanship is commendable. Congrats.

[@tractorman4461]

Thank you for watching and if you'd like to see more sheet metal videos, try this playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1tqw8ST_xdUlPoy_O-SmuBx I appreciate the time you took to comment as well.

[@nathanhills1254]

This showed me how to connect my plenum box to the air transition on my existing air handler. It was something else to find cookie sheet sized holes in my air ducts. Now those are getting replaced and this is one more piece of the puzzle. Fun work still ahead in the crawl space.

[@tractorman4461]

I never liked crawy spaces, but have been in hundreds of them. Some bad, some are worse and none are good !! If your duct is not insulated, you might consider doing it. Not easy but it'll be worth the aggravation in the long run. If you do, this is a good product. but only use it with aluminum tape. Duct tape will fail. You can even wrap the round pipe with this pretty easy. www.amazon.com/Insulated-Metalized-Mylar-Double-Bubble/dp/B00T8ELAZ8/ref=sr_1_5?crid=1JUSJ9W534T3P&keywords=mylar+covered+bubble+wrap+roll&qid=1643892250&sprefix=mylar+covered+bubble+wrap+roll%2Caps%2C165&sr=8-5 Thanks Nathan for an awesome comment. In this playlist is one utilizing this product: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqenkpVraJyoopY

[@joshuaseaton4526]

I bet you I have done it at least 3000 times just like that. I don't have to think about it anymore, just like this man.

[@tractorman4461]

Well Joshua, I still gotta scratch my head a bit on occasion. But the main thing I've found is the actual placement of the furnace can make or break the way a job goes in. If you'd like to see more sheet metal, I have a couple playlists up above like this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqenkpVraJyoopY Thanks for taking the time to make a comment.

[@esaidewalt4116]

you sir are the bob ross of HVAC

[@tractorman4461]

I am glad you enjoyed the install....and thanks for the compliment !! Want to see more..?? I got a ton of 'em up in the playlists under sheet metal. Like this one here: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd Enjoy!!

[@technolucas3720]

Fascinating and very informative, practical information. Great job, thank you!

[@tractorman4461]

Thank you for the very complimentary comment. If you enjoy sheet metal and have the time, consider checking out one of the playlists I've put together at the top of the page. Like this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqenkpVraJyoopY It was a tough one for sure.

[@GONZOFAM7]

I sure hope there are some apprentice working for you. What a fine skill and what's better a great teacher.

[@tractorman4461]

Thank you Jamie for the kind words. The cool thing about retirement is I don't have to be in charge of anything or anyone any more !

[@jimjimjim5279]

With Google now in place, the art of craftsmanship and knowledge is slowly slipping away! Thank you sir for sharing with us your knowledge! It's people like you that made this country strong!

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks Jimjim for the compliment. Knowledge, technical or academic, serves its purpose the best when its given away. I have a ton of sheet metal videos up in the playlist heading on the tool bar, like this one for example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqenkpVraJyoopY

[@jimjimjim5279]

I just cut two of my knuckles just watching your video! 😉. Anytime I get a pair of snips in my hand, I'm guaranteed to tear some skin. I'm about cringed whenever you back knuckle that opening to show that there were no sharp edges!! In my opinion you are one of a kind and we really appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us! I have done my fair share of metal fabrication and sheet metal work, but it almost always has been done with machines. I'm pretty good with a sheer and a brake press, but like I say when you put hand tools in front of me, I'm going to get snagged one way or the other haha.

[@tractorman4461]

@@jimjimjim5279 Oh I have had my share of 'tinner's whiskers' myself !! That's why I learned to make sure there are no sharp edges... Especially around filter openings. Nothing spells frustration like a filter that gets hung up on a shard of metal or a screw and you have to rip it apart to get it out !! Oh man I could tell some horror stories.....

[@gatorsworld]

Another one very well done.....Good thing you have all that spare time to help these people out.....CHEERS

[@tractorman4461]

Hahahahaha....I sometimes wonder myself. But I have cut it back big time this year...but there's always another one waiting...LOL. Thanks Gator for watching.

[@HVAC544]

Thanks for the sheet metal videos you are a true craftsman. Like how you showed how stuff is done in the field vs a shop setting. I just did a job and premade a 4 inch spacer on an oil furnace to keep it above the heat exchanger. Then tied into the plenum with s cleat. It worked out great takes a lot more skill than ductboard. We don't have access to Pittsburgh seam here in field. Was shown to leave the s cleat an inch long top and bottom then notch a layer out so you can hammer them around and hide the gaps.

[@tractorman4461]

Oh, I can tell you dozens of tricks I've used over the years with S's and drive cleats. I have bent many a plenum on the floor of a basement back in the day....I don't want to have to go back to that. I've also made hand made pittsburghs too. But no more. Asdasda, if you like the 'on site' portions, check out this playlist a little at a time if you'd like. It was a tough one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqenkpVraJyoopY

[@rodpaydli3477]

What an amazing video, when combined with your how to for the return air box fabrication, this has helped me tremendously! Thank-you so much for sharing this!

[@tractorman4461]

Well I am glad to hear you've benefited from the videos Rod. I have a few metal playlists up above like this one: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1tqw8ST_xdUlPoy_O-SmuBx There's a lot to unpack but also some unique fittings as well. Lots of just plain straight duct though.

[@rodpaydli3477]

@@tractorman4461 I will be learning more from your videos this evening, thanks again!

[@tractorman4461]

@@rodpaydli3477 You are quite welcome. I appreciate you taking the time to watch them. Here's a really cool playlist too: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd Some decent fittings and a bit of air flow theory combined.

[@jaykemm3472]

That's great. And I have to say. That is the fastest hammering I've ever seen in my entire life. 17:20 Thanks

[@tractorman4461]

Hahahaha.... ahhhh, the marvels of modern editing software.. Thanks Jay for the fine comment. I have a couple playlists up above with some cool sheet metal content if you like it. Like this one here: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd

[@garyroethler5234]

Great Job, you are a true professional. Thanks for the pointers. You made ductwork look easy. I guess it is when you know what your doing.

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks Gary....I had a pretty good hiatus from sheet metal there for a while concentrating on DDC controls and commercial service. I got back to knocking out a little here and there when I retired to help out a few relatives, good friends and a few older people that just needed the help. But I have done a ton of metal back in the day. If you like metal videos and have the time, check out this playlist. There are some good fittings on this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqenkpVraJyoopY

[@TasteMyBlackSkittles]

I know nothing related to this, but you clearly are skilled in what you do. You made that look so effortless.

[@tractorman4461]

Well, after more than 40 years in commercial service and install, I HAVE seen a thing or two. LOL. I started out in the residential/light commercial market in the mid 70's. Thanks for tuning in and if you like this one and just feel the need to see how guys like us abuse ourselves, skim through a few of these videos in this playlist: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqenkpVraJyoopY

[@hykeemrobinson8898]

You are an artist . You 100% would be the one that I would hire. Kudos to you my friend.

[@tractorman4461]

Thank you Hykeem, a comment like yours is always appreciated greatly. Hey, if you have some time to spare check out this playlist from several up above: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqenkpVraJyoopY

[@godfamquadsrene1kxmr]

Very informative and precise. Best of all simple to understand

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks for the nice comment. This one was pretty staightforward and simple. If you want to see a bit more of a complicated project, skip through a few of these: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd

[@rosskrause3926]

Wow this is an incredible job you did here..its top notch fab and install by a true professional.

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks Ross for the kind comment. If you like sheet metal videos there are a few playlists up above that's nothing but layout and installation. Here's a pretty fair project that covers a lot of stuff from start to finish: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd

[@skiprope536]

A few comments. 1-this is a craftsman 2-outstanding 3-informative 4-fantastic video

[@tractorman4461]

Well now, that is a very unusual way to provide a candid comment....but I LIKE it !! So cool man. Hey, if you liked this one, here's a playlist of a tough job in a tight space that has a lot of fittings, duct sealing and duct insulation rolled into one series: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd Thank you very much for the comment...it is appreciated.

[@sonnynguyen8012]

It’s very helpful video for me to learn how to do with furnace ducts Love what you do ! Thank you so much ❤

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks for the kind comment Sonny. Hey, if you've not found the playlists up top, let me lead you down this path: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4DFmI1rnL6Kf6c. And there are other sheet metal vids up there too. Enjoy and thanks for watching!!

[@miguelpacheco997]

Great work. That’s amazing. Greetings from Puerto Rico 💪🏼

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks Miguel for the awesome comment. If you enjoy sheet metal, here's a tough one that has a lot of fittings and is a difficult install too. Its a complete job playlist from start to finish in an attic: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd

[@chrischris3222]

Tractorman44 you are the man I was hesitant about doing my own sheetmetal work but now I think ill give it a try THANKS !!!

[@tractorman4461]

Heck yeah man. Go for it Chris. Check out this playlist...a lots more layout especially farther down the list:kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1tqw8ST_xdUlPoy_O-SmuBx

[@dontarguewithfools]

Every master technician started building square duct. Very very skilled trade

[@tractorman4461]

Thank you for the kind comment. Here's a ton of layout videos with a variety of fittings and straight duct if you'd like to see more: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1tqw8ST_xdUlPoy_O-SmuBx

[@christianguevara3122]

Thank you! I’ve been searching for someone who shows on the spot fabrication and this video is exactly what I needed! Best regards from Detroit!

[@tractorman4461]

Sometimes if the job is quite a distance, I'll bolt the Pittsburgh machine, 4 foot box and pan and the cleat bender to the deck of a trailer and take it to the jobsite. Christian, if you like a different kind of job and have the time, try to skip through some of these videos on this project. You may find something enjoyable: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqenkpVraJyoopY

[@harryappliancesrepair8587]

what a great job done by a senior hvacker thanks

[@tractorman4461]

Well Harry, that's a nice way to call me an old fart. But I like it anyway. If you like sheet metal, I have a few up in the playlists that could be of interest, like this one here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqenkpVraJyoopY

[@_n8787]

Looks like a guy i'd really like to work with. Thank you very much for this video. 👍

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks Nick, I like to work with anyone who has a desire to produce the best product they are capable of and a greater desire to improve their skills with each project. Have you by chance seen this playlist : kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd I think you may find at least part of it interesting. It was a tough one. Thanks again for your comment as well as for watching.

[@fricknjeep]

hi neat watching you work at your different projects . you have a lot of knowledge and use it well . take care john

[@tractorman4461]

Well, the jobs are easy as long as the tape measure don't lie to me..... LOL. thanks for the kudos John.

[@fricknjeep]

@@tractorman4461 well the tapes do lie but have more problem with brain storage and retrieval john

[@T-Willfixit]

Great job my always enjoy the skills and craftsmanship

[@tractorman4461]

This one is the installation of the last two videos making the plenum and return air fitting. Thanks Terrell, for the compliment in the comment.

[@frankzepeda5614]

Thank you so much for this video, you really know your business, I learned a lot! Ready to do mine! You are the Guru! Thanks again my friend!

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks Frank for watching. I appreciate the kind words. If you want to see some crazy fittings, check out this playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd and for more basic and plain layout videos: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1tqw8ST_xdUlPoy_O-SmuBx

[@marconantel7735]

Tractorman, great vid. You make sheet metal look easy

[@tractorman4461]

Well Marco, I gotta tell ya man...it wasn't so easy for me back about 40 years ago. I just never told the boss I couldn't do this job or that job, so he just kept piling it on. I've been away from sheet metal for about 25 years shifting more to commercial service, chilled and hot water piping, and digital controls and refrigerant piping. But retirement is letting me help out a few people that need it in the form of metalworking.

[@madmax16117]

Thank you, One of the best I have seen.

[@tractorman4461]

Great !! Glad you enjoyed it. Have you found the playlists up above? Try this if you'd like: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd or maybe this one: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1tqw8ST_xdUlPoy_O-SmuBx

[@RobertoSantiagoRodriguez]

Great video, thanks so much! Truly an art form

[@tractorman4461]

Thank you Roberto for the kind words. I am glad to see you enjoyed the installation !!

[@GPOutdoors]

Fastest Hammer in the East! LOL! T, you are a remarkably talented gentleman. I love watching your projects. As Red Green used to say - If you're not handsome , you better be handy. LOL. You are both my friend. I am sure your lovely wifey would agree. Thanks for taking us along!

[@tractorman4461]

Hahahaha...thank you my friend...I checked and by golly she DOES agree....LOL

[@luisroldan8680]

Great video, solid skills, very informative video, thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@tractorman4461]

Good Morning Luis. Thanks for the nice comment. If you're into sheet metal videos and haven't seen all these yet, at your convenience check this out this playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd There's bound to be something of interest in here.

[@tectalabyss]

That was an Outstanding job ! Has always I Liked,shared. All my very best.

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks Bobby, I am tickled to see you liked the effort. It worked out pretty slick. Thanks for the continuing support.

[@ulyssestrejo]

Your Sherry metal work is awesome! I'd like to get to that point my self.

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks for the compliment. All it takes is a little time and thought during the measuring process. Taking the extra ten minutes to double check measurements saves immeasurable time on the install. If you don't have any equipment I'd do a continual FB Marketplace search for sheet metal tools. They show up all the time....even lockformers and 8' brakes.

[@DaBuick]

Thanks for the video, I'm looking at relocating my air handler and this helped me understand what had=s to happen

[@tractorman4461]

Great !! Glad it gave you an idea of how to handle it!!

[@FanjetRG]

Just like magic...great video

[@tractorman4461]

Hahahahaha...you, my friend are much too kind !! Thank you Raymond for taking a looksee...hope you enjoyed it.

[@ccssk8er123]

Love these videos best on KZbin I’ve found!!!

[@tractorman4461]

Thank you sir for the kind comment. Have you by chance looked at the two sheet metal playlists I put up top ? Take care and I hope you are staying busy !! Spring Check and Service time is right around the corner. PM's cut off the peaks and fill the valleys at the same time.

[@ccssk8er123]

@@tractorman4461 no but I’ll take a look now thank you. I learn a lot from watching you work, lots of tips and tricks you just can’t learn from reading or google.

[@tractorman4461]

@@ccssk8er123 I think that's why I talk all the time the hammer isn't moving. Its the combination of the two that can deliver it in better fashion.

[@raulvelasquezescalante5802]

You make it look so easy!

[@tractorman4461]

Well, I always say if it was hard I wouldn't be able to do it !! (-: Btw, have you found the sheet metal playlists up above...?? If not, this one is a good one. The good fittings start down around 6 or 7th: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1tqw8ST_xdUlPoy_O-SmuBx Thanks for the supportive comment and thank you for watching too !!

[@trueforum378]

Genius Work! Love the experience!

[@tractorman4461]

Thank you sir for the compliment. I might have done one or two over the 42+ years in HVAC. (-;

[@coldspring624]

I was not bored one bit...old tin men know there is more than one way to skin a cat. Those interested in installation should listen to your reasoning and let the conditions of the job dictate the build and assembly. Its funny I put so many yrs into it and still like watching it go together. And if your talking about what I think you are...lol... will not say a word.

[@tractorman4461]

Hahahahaha.....you're right. The job is what determines how it wants to go together. If you don't listen to it talking to you from the start...you're in for a fight start to finish !! Been there, done that and try to not make that mistake anymore. LOL... Thank you for the supportive comment !! Enjoy the slight warm snap we seem to be in right now.

[@billmiller5075]

Very nice work, definitely tell he has plenty of experience

[@tractorman4461]

Yessir...there's more than one or two in my past. Thanks for the nice comment Bill. I have a couple sheet metal compilations in my playlists up above...if you'd like to see more.

[@oldsoul1]

The Bob Ross of HVAC work.

[@tractorman4461]

Hahahahaha...you are too kind, I'm afraid. But I DO appreciate the very kind and supportive comments from guys like you. If you'd like to see some strange fittings, try this playlist, but you better have a pot of coffee or a 12 pack of your favorite beverage if you watch all 17 videos in one sitting: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqenkpVraJyoopY

[@greglandry1225]

You know this man is a true tradesman because he uses everything as a hammer! Haha... all joking aside, great video... im a industrial, commercial, and institutional guy, so I don't get to see many residential installs... Also on top of that, I am more of a shop guy... I like how for your tags you actually used your bar folder to make it S and Drive... never seen that before...Great job man, I hope to see more videos from you

[@tractorman4461]

Hahaha...yep, whatever ya got available to beat something with will do in a pinch. LOL. I too spent the last 25 years mostly in the same segment as you describe. My favorite was new building/system startup. Nothing better than working on brand new equipment. I also really enjoyed large capacity RTU DDC conversions....ripping out the old controls and actuators and installing replacements for control with the building automation systems. I also enjoyed commissioning air houses/chilled/hot water systems and all the FTU's, VAV's and building pressurization control. I really like Trane chillers and Lochinvar boiler set ups. York is my least liked along with McQuay. But I'm talking 250 ton and less. I'm not a centrifugal guy. The list goes on...but you get it. I hadn't been involved to any degree with sheet metal since moving to that segment of the industry. I'm actually a service tech, not really a tinner, it's just at the earlier part of my career I managed to do a lot of it. I really only ran residential for the first couple years back in the 70's and early 80's. Retired now, I can play with it a bit. Btw, I have a ton of sheet metal videos up in the playlist section:kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqenkpVraJyoopY Thanks for the visit today Greg. Retirement is GREAT !! I don't have to answer to anyone. LOL

[@hvacguy542]

I subscribed. Awesome vide keep them up

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks, I do appreciate it. Being retired I only get to make a little metal when I stumble on someone needing a bit of help. Well...I do have a big family so they keep me hopping some. I do have a couple sheet metal playlists up on the tool bar if you are interested. Like this one here: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd Thanks for stopping by. I'm editing another plenum install right now too.

[@jrobert9611]

Just watched this video, good information to share for DYI guys. Looking good 👌 44.

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks man....I know you know how tough some of these things can be. This one was a snap though.

[@jrobert9611]

@@tractorman4461 Yep some installs are mean. 👀🖐

[@tractorman4461]

@@jrobert9611 BTDT.... crawlspaces kill me. I'm DONE with them.

[@jeffmatthews9125]

Thanks for the video!

[@tractorman4461]

No problem. If you like sheet metal try this playlist out for size: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqenkpVraJyoopY Thanks Jeff for the visit and hope to see more comments from time to time.

[@jimpossidente5004]

That looks nice!

[@tractorman4461]

Thank you sir for taking the time to watch and comment. FYI, up top I have a couple playlists that are primarily sheet metal videos. One is a complete layout/installation of an attic heat pump system.

[@sbitschy]

awesome. just awesome. Some of your tips are going to save me time on my next jobs compared to some previous ones. Cheers

[@tractorman4461]

Great !! I am glad to see others getting a bit of a benefit out of the videos. Thanks Steve for the comment and keep doing the best job you can. It always pays off in the end.

[@sbitschy]

@@tractorman4461 One question. If I wanted to "geek out" or had a more restrictive sytem that I needed to move more air through, could I throw turning vanes in the can the airhandler sits on. I've done it before on my return boots with great success and like to do it when I can. Just going to install some heatpump/electric airhandlers with a base can under. If I throw turning vanes in the retun boot, not sure how much more benefit I would get our of putting them in the base can also. Also thinking that I should either do vanes in neither or both only... any thoughts?

[@tractorman4461]

@@sbitschy I think the main benefit would be a more even airflow pattern across the whole indoor coil. An engineer could probably crunch the numbers and assess the change in system efficiency with a near perfect air pattern for heat transfer. If you install them a good test would be to actually check airflow before and after with accurate readings across the fitting both times. Of course the simple way to check cfm with an electric air handler is using the calculation for temperature rise method. CFM= volts x amps x 3.41 divided by temp rise x 1.08 Memory fades over time, so you better check that to be sure. Now that will be temp rise with resistance heat only, not the heat pump too. If you are doing multiple systems, I would try the first one with turning vanes in the box, then do the test to find out if there is a measureable difference in cfm. Cutting down the turbulence may reduce the return static which may actually give a good result. You are making my brain hurt Steve...heck, I'm retired !! I'm not supposed to have to think any more !! LOL Side note: I HAVE put vanes in return air fittings before and did not regret it. But it is not the general rule, as you obviously know.

[@sbitschy]

@@tractorman4461 lol. You are a good man. just the fact that you responded was great. Your thinking is along the same lines as mine. Ive seen significant reduction in pressure loss through my return boots and filter at the outlet of the boot when using turning vanes. Those were when entering a furnace from the side. Just havent seen anyone do it with an airhandler where the return air has to enter the bottom with a return can. I was just curious if you had done it or seen it work well, thats all. Thanks again for the reply and for all your videos. It means alot!

[@tractorman4461]

@@sbitschy I try to respond to most. There are some that disappear for some reason when I click them. And some get put in the spam file and it takes a while to find them. The spam file empties after 60 days, so I'm sure there are some missed for good. Crazy stuff these computers. I think I said I've installed them in return air fittings, but didn't clarify that I've not really done exactly that which you describe. Good conversation Steve.

[@skateboarder-yr9qg]

Good Job!!!

[@tractorman4461]

Glad to see you liked it !! Thanks for watching. If you like sheet metal videos, I have a couple playlists of sheet metal only up above. Here's a good one: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd

[@OldSneelock]

I like your improvised can opener. I learn something new every time I watch you work. Something that I always remember fondly is my Dad Showing me the use of the left and right hand aviation shears. That might be a nice thing for you to add in to one of your metal fabrication vids or you might have enough to make a stand alone. Lord knows there are a bunch of designs for shears. Some I use and most I just wonder about.

[@tractorman4461]

I did make a little video just about scratch awl selection but never edited it yet. Snips are a different story. Reds, greens, yellows, cantilevers, shears, double cuts....the newer aluminum with replaceable cutting edges and the old steel ones....Oh yeah. Then there's the regulars vs. the offsets...which by the way I could never use. They have that offset to elevate the handles, but then you have to bend your wrist to counter the offset. So in no time, my wrists hurt. Yes, I gave them away in no time. LOL. Thanks for stopping by for a visit today !!

[@OldSneelock]

@@tractorman4461 I always watch. Sometimes I can't add to the discussion so I just enjoy the show. 😁😎

[@tractorman4461]

@@OldSneelock I don't know how you find the time. I am so covered up with just trying to keep up and am still running literally months behind on videos. But I sincerely thank you for the time you dedicate to watching and commenting.

[@OldSneelock]

I have a 3/4 acre lot, no job, all I do is play with tools and feed the dog. Pretty easy life for a guy use to working 12 hour days and driving an hour and a half each way to work. It takes a while to slow down. 2020 was the first real retirement year. I was doing consulting work 6 months a year and going all over the country.

[@tractorman4461]

@@OldSneelock Well, the virus thing put a bit of a damper on my public activities a bit. So having a lot more shop time in 2020 I did also get the time to solve some of my own mysteries languishing on the back shelf here at home for a change. Still way below water, but at least I'm gaining on it.

[@dennisday8780]

nice job

[@tractorman4461]

Cool Dennis, glad you liked it ! If you like sheet metal videos, try this set of videos on for size when you get a chance: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqenkpVraJyoopY Beware, it WILL take a whole pot of coffee....or maybe a case of beer to get through them all.

[@andrecontois8510]

I was taught to remove the coil and secure the AH to the pedestal by screwing the cabinet down. Would hate to have screwed the brackets into the drain pan... I am interested in the mistake mentioned in your video description. I watched the video a few times and haven't caught it. I think I do avoid mistakes pretty well. When I inevitably do make one I actually like telling others so they might have less chance of dealing with the same self inflicted issue later, in a hot attic, tight crawlspace, whatever their case might be. Not asking for you to spill all the beans yet.

[@condorman26]

Screwing the ah down that way wouldn't be advisable. Imo. Visible connections are usually the best. Plenty of duct work that could be re used years later gets destroyed during change outs due to hidden screws.

[@andrecontois8510]

Just gotta know where to look or when to take a deep breath and find that last screw. It's like screwing a air cleaner to the side of a furnace from the inside. The worst is when walls and ceilings are built burying the unit so screws cannot be reached. I can remove the coil if I'm changing the AH anyway. The carrier AH s we use have a filter rack on the bottom and then the drain pan. Also I will trace the opening instead of measuring it. Brackets would be a mile long up the side of the unit. I understand what you're saying condorman it is best to have things as easy to access as possible. That's why we put these units in stinking attics and such ugh!

[@tractorman4461]

@@condorman26 I've been guilty in the past of putting screws in hard to find places out of necessity. I keep a Vaughn flat bar thinned out on a belt sander to slip way back inside an otherwise inaccessible location to shear off the screws with a few hard hits. I have had some bad ones back in the day too. The flat bar can reach to halfway across a plenum to shear one off that was installed from the inside out. LOL. I hated damaging more than necessary during demo. It just adds to the work load going back in with new. Out of that frustration, my mind is always on the next guy coming in down the road to undo what I'm doing currently.

[@tractorman4461]

​@@andrecontois8510 Man, I have literally pulled my hair out back in the 70's early 80's tearing out first generation forced air furnaces. It seems like 24 ga was standard fare back then and all the returns were dove tail...screws were a lot of times a #12 pan head. This was before hex heads and nut runners were even thought of. Nothing kills speed like backing out #12's with a flat screwdriver when you can't get square onto it. That's where I came up with the thinned down Vaughn flat bar for demo jobs. Works great. Attachment to the bottom is determined by the way the different brands are constructed. This brand here has those 4 perfectly located assembly screws that allow screwing in to the sides like I did with no potential of jeopardizing the integrity of the drain pan. Others require attachment as you describe. No matter if the unit has a bottom mount filter or not, because I incorporate a filter slot that holds a standard size filter on virtually every job. A lot of those filters are not easily replaced with an off the shelf filter. Home owners always seem to neglect them if they are not easily replaceable. Ok....about the mistake. Not a big deal, but I insist on always aligning my pittsburghs all in line, but not paying attention, the top duct is reversed from bottom duct and you'll see the resultant crooked bend of the drive right at the 18:00 minute mark. Now it sticks out like a sore thumb !! I like sharp, crisp bends and insist on trimming the sharp points off the drives as they are folded over. It just trims the job out to look nicer overall. It's like taking a rag and wiping the pipe dope off all the exposed gas line fittings.... just looks trimmed out much better. Above I referred to 'first generation forced air' furnaces. I got into the field in the mid 70's and a lot of forced air furnaces at that time were nearing 20 years old but there were still many, many gravity furnaces still in service. I tore out dozens and dozens of gravity furnaces with the spider web of 10'' or 12'' round pipes going at an angle from the round bonnets to interior side wall cast iron registers. A single large 16x30 return air grill was on the outside wall in a living room. We then would convert all the interior s/a grilles into return air grills and cut all new 4''x12'' supply's on the exterior walls thoughout the houses. Are you two guys, Condorman and Andre, old enough to have been involved in these types of change outs ? Heck, back then I was still removing the old coal stokers up in St Louis and outlying areas and installing Natural Gas 'upshot' or 'inshot' conversions. Some had belt drive blowers, some were still gravity coal. If you are both too young, you really missed a lot of fun !! Seriously, it was just some really cool work to be involved in. Damn....I see instead of a comment, I wrote a book...sorry guys. LOL

[@carlyleworkman1928]

i appreciate the lesson

[@tractorman4461]

I'm just glad there are viewers that enjoy the videos. Have you checked out the playlists up above? Here's a sample you may find interesting: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd Lots of odd fittings required during this project.

[@vdeblois1352]

Impressive 👌👏

[@tractorman4461]

Thank you for the supportive comment. Have you found the other sheet metal videos up in the playlists like this one...? kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd. Thank you for stopping by and watching.

[@deejohnson5163]

Great job.

[@tractorman4461]

Thank you Dee for the comment. I've a couple sheet metal specific playlists mixed in up top if you'd like to skip through those as well.

[@lmt7816]

Tractorman44, thank you! I just used your double folded seam to join a return to a furnace. If you ever want to do so, I'd be more than happy to pay you for time just to come learn so tips and tricks, or talk by phone just to get a few questions answered. Thank you for all the videos and info! P.S My offer is good anytime you have time! 👍💯

[@tractorman4461]

The double hem sure reinforced the metal a lot doesn't it. I used to use the double hem combined with a 3/4'' dove tail, cut the return to the exact dimension and fold the dove tails inside the side of the furnace r/a opening. One thing I do when forming an unfamiliar series of bends, is draw the bend and stick it to the brake with the magnets. That way you can figure which fold or bend needs to be next. You probably should try to locate a night course at a local jr college for some sheet metal classes. I'm pretty much out of it now and really only work for family as far as sheet metal goes. If you are a 'young' man I'd suggest trying to get accepted into the closest sheet metal local union. Those training classes are second to none for today's apprentices. Thanks for watching and expressing the desire to learn what really IS a good trade.

[@mylesm7947]

Thanks

[@rachida3904]

Very good

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks, I am glad you found it enjoyable. Give this playlist a shot if you have a little time to spare: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd Thanks for stopping in and watching Rachida.

[@carolettajames5471]

Way dope Man !!!!!!!!!!

[@tractorman4461]

I assume you enjoyed the video...?? If so, check out a few in this playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1tqw8ST_xdUlPoy_O-SmuBx. Some interesting fittings down about 6 or 7 on the list. Grab a coffee or your favorite drink, sit back and relax to a little noise. Thank you for watching this one !!

[@davidjones5507]

I'm a retired metal worker from local 48, Birmingham, Al. U seem to have a great background of fabrication process, only question I have u used a soft joint on return air, why not include this procedure on supply duct instead of hard hookup, but great job, u had some good teaching also

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks David for the compliment on the project. I usually don't use flex connectors on residential systems as small as this little 2 ton with 800 cfm. The video may have been misleading in appearance because of the angle of the camera, but the return was a flange connection, screwed into the side of the furnace. And that lower fitting was a r/a 90* with a built in 1'' filter slot. Thanks again for the nice words.

[@user-vd5ii4eo7u]

Damn he's good!

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks V. I’ve done it a time or two. I have lots of sheet metal vids in the playlists up above. Makes it easy to find them if you are interested.

[@michaelcash9258]

Awesome!

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks for the supportive comment. Btw, if you like sheet metal I do have several playlists dedicated to it up top like this one here: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd. Feel free to check 'em out. Thanks again Michael.

[@MoOoNiEz]

Hi there, loved the sheet work. I am used to this system build in my commercial jobs, however in my own home past owners must have shortcutted hardcore. The only “return” or “supply” points are a hole in the hall for main return (no plenum), and an open hole in the ceiling for “supply” (combustible). Obviously the system is choking itself out, running super loud, and triggering pressure switches for the heater. I would love to build ductwork to supplement return air, and actually tie the system back in with itself, but I just have the one small furnace closet. Do I have to expand this closet to build the new ductwork? Thanks in advance 😊

[@tractorman4461]

There are so many variables with what you describe, I can't venture a guess. It sounds like a situation requiring 'eyes on' because there's too much to describe. But to make the system operate well, there should be a supply plenum and trunk line to serve the respective living rooms with a more adequate return air network or at least a connection back to the furnace or air handler. If its a gas furnace, you don't want to draw the return air freely within the open space that contains the combustion air supply to the gas burner. Gut feeling I would say yes, your closet may have to be expanded. Sorry if this doesn't help you much.

[@clydeusa6596]

Good vid

[@tractorman4461]

Thanks man. I'm about ready for another junkyard run pretty soon. Just iron, no good stuff.

[@drc3375]

First video of yours I've watched and really enjoyed it. My only question is why didn't you add cross breaks in the supply plenum?

[@tractorman4461]

I most always crossbreak, but this little two ton air handler at 800 cfm at less than an inch total system static and short coupled plenum wasn't going to give an issue with 'oil canning'. Anything larger to any extent is usually cross broke. Thanks Don for watching and btw, I have several playlists up above with some neat duct fabs. If you'd like, try this on for size, it was an interesting one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqenkpVraJyoopY

[@bigotis1776]

I like how you make all your fittings and really like your videos. But I think you should have used a canvas connector that would have made things a lot easier to assemble

[@tractorman4461]

I usually only use flex connectors in residential applications where vibration resonance can possibly be a problem. Like hanging a large capacity unit from rafters in an attic. However I can remember a time or two where the replacement furnace was so close to the same dimension to the existing plenum that I cut and hand folded drive connections on one end and bent a single hem flange on the other after trimming just enough off the duct to allow the flex to make the plenum connection. We buy the metal/canvas connectors in 100' rolls for use on commercial installations. Thanks Jeffery for the thoughts as well as for watching.

[@bigotis1776]

You're welcome. I am a installer at a residential replacement company for the last 10 years and I appreciate watching your methods. a lot of companies in my area don't use the double half-inch ham I think it is worth the extra time it really does help make your installs look so much nicer and that much easier to run a small bead of caulk around. Please keep making videos you explain everything 💯 % perfectly

[@tractorman4461]

@@bigotis1776 Well, I will continue as long as there is a job or two come along. I am getting ready to do a complete system tear out at my son's house. Then go back in with a smaller size, isolating the second floor from the network. We installed a second system for the second floor in the attic last year or so and now the oversized system is now super oversized. His noise level is deafening in the living room and needs to have a total work over.

[@bobbg9041]

Wow. Looks really really good. Question whys the A coil on the bottom? Is this better then over the heating element's?

[@tractorman4461]

To make electric air handlers universal for use as a/c only or to be used with a heat pump they typically are designed this way. If the indoor coil was above the heat output of the elements it’s deliverable heat content is so low by comparison that there would be little or no heat transfer. That’s why fossil fueled furnaces are locked out during the use of a heat pump until the heat pump can no longer satisfy the load. Then they typically become locked out and the fossil fueled furnace takes over. The indoor coils are always installed on the top of the furnace, opposite of an electric air handler. Hope that’s more of an answer than adding to the confusion Bobbg. I’d be glad to add to it if needed. Thanks for watching by the way.

[@Oxatolla]

Remove section of supply trunk, shouldn't have been there in the first place. Install full size, non transitional plenum 1" down from floor joists, with lid and use transitional pto's with 3" rise for both directions with flexes installed on each pto. Can't you cut r/a boot with radius into side of air handler and use separate filter rack? Then furnace can be on the ground for greater plenum height. (I might be wrong about that part). Drop should be flc, then flex, then drop duct to r/a boot. Therefore greater static pressure on supply with smoother air flow. Flexes are for vibration isolation. All fittings could have been made at shop. Way easier install. Enjoyed your video and not trying to knock your efforts. Cheers.

[@Oxatolla]

I fabricate my r/a boxes with 1" flanges built in on 3 sides exept the front for door access. Therefore no clips required.

[@tractorman4461]

@@Oxatolla Virtually every job, though similar has plenty of differences.....like the return air box on this one. It's preferred entry is the bottom because of the design of the indoor coil. A bottom return provides a much more even flow of air across the coil for heat transfer. You make a lot of good points, but like I said in the description, this is just illustrates one of many ways to install an air handler. I usually go into a bit of detail in the description box and sometimes ramble a lot too, but I'd suggest scrolling back to the top, take a few minutes to read it and you might find it interesting and a bit explanatory. I use flex connectors commercially on systems of much greater capacity, and roof top units, but this little two ton delivering 800 cfm barely makes a sound that can be heard upstairs. Actually I almost never use them in a residential system unless its a 3 1/2, 4, or 5 ton and an attic install with the ahu hanging from the rafters. I appreciate you watching and commenting and providing descriptions of alternate ways of accomplishing the project. Yours is a much better suggestion on the return air box for sure. On a side note about the r/a box. Last year I changed one for a lady friend of a buddy that had continual freeze ups from the day it was installed many many years before. The compressor (a recip) eventually locked up. When I got there to do the tear out, I saw immediately what the root issue was. It was a slant coil with the return cut into the side of the air handler on the discharge side of the coil !! Needless to say, the replacement went in with the addition of a r/a box drawing from the bottom. Thanks again, and don't be a stranger. There's ALWAYS a reason for what you will see in my metal videos.

[@tommymatthews4984]

Solid work man. I personally like using just S-lock all the way around and screwing it, in thos kinds of transitions. We tape everything tho

[@tractorman4461]

I do when necessary...like when boxed inside a tight closet hard to get to spot. I use aluminum tape and mastic for attics and crawl spaces, but not for basement areas. Minimal leakage with tightly trimmed joints don't seem to be a problem. Here's a real good example Tommy: kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd There's some crazy stuff in this one at my son's house. Attic job. Thanks for watching and commenting !!

[@tommymatthews4984]

@@tractorman4461 I like the way you made that drain pan. I've worked at like 3 different hvac companies and everyone of them still make it the way you explained with solder and the tabs on the smaller side. I'll have to try it out next change out. I'm from north Carolina been doing hvac for like 10 years lol still got alot to learn but your videos are great I'll definitely learn some things from them. Are you retired?

[@tractorman4461]

@@tommymatthews4984 Yes, I've been retired 9 1/2 years, after 40 years (+ -) in hvac. Most of the time in commercial service and startup, DDC controls and CW, HW and refrigerant piping. What I do for you tube videos is just help out people that kinda need a hand...or maybe friends and family. Most wouldn't be able to have it done by a contractor due to costs. I hadn't done any sheet metal for 20 years or more so I was really rusty back on my first few videos.

[@qomco]

Youre the man!

[@tractorman4461]

Hahahaha.....glad you enjoyed the video. If you like fabrication videos and have the time to scoot through a few, you can take a look at the playlists up above. Here's tough project to start with: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqenkpVraJyoopY

[@qomco]

@@tractorman4461 im gonna keep going thru them. Im working on my sheet metal skills so I will be studying all your methods. Thank you for sharing all your skills and experience👍

[@tractorman4461]

@@qomco The main thing is to keep your eye peeled for used machinery on FB Marketplace as well as garage sales and industrial auctions if you are in a location that has a fair sized city. I have picked up a lot of my shop from old retirees around town that decided to totally quit. Then try to improve on your technique each and every time you make a piece of metal. I actually picked up another 8' Dreis and Krump 18 ga brake while installing a furnace for a friends old buddy. So there is a lot of stuff out there!

[@CB-sw5kl]

High speed hammer!

[@tractorman4461]

Hahahahaha.....I like to speed up the boring repetitive spots in the videos. Thanks C B for the visit. Hey if you get the time, check out this playlist. A lot of strange fittings and stuff in it : kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd

[@jayprojects5176]

Thanks for making this video. You have some serious skills. What I would like know is, is it necessary to have insulation inside the plenum and duct? In this video I notice you didn't use any.

[@tractorman4461]

If sound suppression is important as well as heat loss/gain, then yes. Neither is important in this particular job. If you enjoy metal and have the time try this playlist:kzbin.info/aero/PLk72G9DTzZ1tqw8ST_xdUlPoy_O-SmuBx You may find one or two a bit interesting. Thank you for stopping in today.

[@ButlerOutdoorsCanada]

You sir are a davinci with sheet metal! It's amazing the work you do!

[@tractorman4461]

Well... I'm not quite sure I would agree with you on that one, but I take it as a darn good compliment Andrew !! Thanks man. Hey...side note....I got a Poulan Pro 365 I need some parts for. Any ideas ? No luck at L'il Red Barn or chainsawr.com. Unless I poked something wrong.

[@ButlerOutdoorsCanada]

@@tractorman4461 I've had really good luck finding more uncommon parts on eBay but Amazon is awesome for stuff like carb kits, fuel lines etc I think I know where one of those poulan 365's are sitting up here in the north​. Meybe I can ship you a parts unit if it comes to it?

[@tractorman4461]

@@ButlerOutdoorsCanada hahahhaha...that's funny, I didn't know you had a parts saw. I'm hoping its only an impulse or fuel line. I've not opened it up yet so I don't know exactly what I need. It was one of those old cheapies that came my way and ran great for about 5 years. Then one day it wouldn't start. Iirc, its got spark, so I figured its a fuel line. Its not a serious saw for me, but I loved its weight for small trim work. Was great for that !!

[@ButlerOutdoorsCanada]

@@tractorman4461 fair enough, the fuel lines are an easy fix if it's like the other poulans I've done you can just get a generic kit from Amazon that comes with 4 popular sizes for small engines for about $14 and the fuel filters are $5-10 for a bag of em. I like the Poulan saws for what they are. They're fairly plucky and do the job intended for em, theyre owend by Electrolux/Husqvarna now and the pro models get alot of crossover parts from the rancher model huskys, alot of people like to Poo poo them so that's why I sometimes call them the POU POUlans lol but theyre a dandy middle of the road unit.

[@tractorman4461]

@@ButlerOutdoorsCanada that’s kinda what I think as well. I’m mostly a stihl guy. But I won’t pass on a bargain of any kind. I think I have a Craftsman that almost identical to this one too. That sound right ? Thanks fir the above info too. I’m going to go that route.