Trad Caths, There's no such thing as a Modernist Catholic & I will tell you why. (warning profanity)

I love you all. Don't listen to me, listen to your Diocese.
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[@OrdinaryCatholic1]

I love you, all. Dont listen to me, go listen to your Diocese and local Bishop.

[@PB_324]

Great stuff! Keep it up. Oh and love you back bunches! 😘

[@TimSpangler-rd6vs]

Listen to Jesus! "My Sheep hear my voice"

[@InExcelsisDeo24]

Great video. The Church is the Church. 2000 years old, still going, still fluid, always living. Not static. The Holy Spirit remains with us always, inspiring and guiding.

[@claritasyoutubechannel3312]

Okay, I assume most people in the comments section here have or will correct on the fact that modernism actually does exist and is a term used by the Catholic Church, so I’m going to do you a favour and go one step further and tell you that the problem we’re dealing with in the Church isn’t modernism, it’s neo-modernism. (And to be fair, unlike modernism neo-modernism actually *hasn’t* been formally defined by the Church yet, it’s simply a term that’s been coined because this heterodox belief system clearly deviates from modernism as it has been formally defined by the Church) Modernism as it’s been formally defined consists of two key beliefs, vital immanence (the belief that your own interior emotions dictate your relationship with God and His Laws) and theological agnosticism. (The belief that we human beings are too puny to fully comprehend Divine Revelation) Neo-modernism don’t subscribe to theological agnosticism, they actually subscribe to what can best be described as theological existentialism. (which is the belief that you are entitled mold Divine Revelation to conform to your own ideals) Theological existentialism is much more attractive as it conforms much better with vital immanence than theological agnosticism; (albeit, I have come across quite a few instances where LeftCaths have made claims that are suggestive of theological agnosticism) it also, I think, conforms much better with the post-Christian western world, as I have come to believe that existentialism in general is at the black core of post-Christian western society; but that’s another topic for another time. All this being said, I haven’t seen any evidence that you believe in theological agnosticism, vital immanence or theological existentialism, so while I do have issues with your channel, I do not consider you a modernist, nor neo-modernist. May the Lord bless you, and Our Blessed Mother intercede for you! May you have a good week ahead.

[@OrdinaryCatholic1]

Yep, I do know the term "modernism" exists, but it gets thrown around a lot. My video/plea is a play on that it gets misused to polarize and tribalized self-identifying traditional Catholics.

[@gerry30]

While people won't often formally promote concepts of Modernism as overt philosophical, theological, historical beliefs, you can run into any number of modern Catholics, clergy and lay faithful that imbibe in them and if you've read "Pascendi" often enough, you can mentally tick the boxes in your mind as they express their beliefs in their own words. "Indefinition" is one the key factors in Modernism. So effectively they can have modernists beliefs and think themselves Catholic without ever formalizing them. In the situation here, we've got someone who I would describe as being influenced first by "Neo-Ultramontanism" or even simple "Clericalism" and that leaves one wide open to a Pope or a local ordinary or parish priest that is steeped in Modernism and the effect they would have on them and their beliefs. I once had a long conversation with a Maronite priest. In the course of it, he told me the "highlights" you might say, the Filioque was wrong, there is no real Resurrection of the Body, there are no Angels, there is no Devil and Mary as portrayed in the "horrible" Passion of the Christ looked like a dog sniffing around on the ground. He didn't imply these things, they were positive assertions. I kept a cool countenance and asked him where he learned all of this and where I could follow up with it. He then gave an appearance of being very proud and told me was taught by Jesuits and that I should read Karl Rahner. I don't doubt for a second that he thought he was in possession of the authentic Catholic Faith. A gnostic version for priests of his caliber and those that could handle it, bu in his eyes he has the authentic faith.

[@BronxCat]

Bingo Brother!!! 100% correct

[@MarjorieBurns-gu9tf]

I’m concerned about the 400,000 Catholics in Germany who left the Catholic Church in 2023. Pray for all Catholics in this difficult time.

[@InExcelsisDeo24]

@@MarjorieBurns-gu9tf Two reasons: German Catholics want the Church to implement things it never will and shouldn’t (e.g., women priests) and abuse scandals have been handled terribly as usual and left their mark. No amount of Latin will affect these things.

[@owensclock]

I'm a big country music fan. There is traditional country music and modern country music. Both are real, both exist. Just like there are traditional minded Catholics and Catholics who have a modern view point They both exist, both are real. What good does it do to build a high fence then call the people on the other side names? I'm a better Catholic than you nah nah nah nah nah. Sorry, but that's what it sounded like to me.

[@OrdinaryCatholic1]

Excuse me, but no. You are making up names. I'm not Catholic that takes a modernist view, either. Traditional Catholics are not real, in the same way Modernist Catholics aren't real. Well, they're real but we just call the Protestants.

[@owensclock]

@@OrdinaryCatholic1 You want a fight you got it lady. That's what I want to say, but no, this is your channel. You are entitled to believe what you want. Peace.

[@OrdinaryCatholic1]

@@owensclock thanks for stopping by...

[@BronxCat]

Women shouldn't speak on yt, unless its with permission from their husband. And I hope to God your not a eucharistic minister! Only Consecrated hands ✋

[@channeljan8529]

The whole issue confuses me. If a "modern Catholic" means Catholics after Vatican II who attend Novus Ordo, a "traditional Catholic" is someone who attends the Extraordinary Form? It makes no sense to me because what we know as the Traditional Latin Mass has only been around for 400 years, which in ecclesial terms isn't actually that long. So what do they call the Catholics before that?

[@OrdinaryCatholic1]

@@channeljan8529 It makes no sense where I live because both forms can be celebrated in the same parish around the Archdiocese. I could routinely attend the Extraordinary Form and never be a "Traditionalist".

[@eddiexfrank1118]

I've been trying to understand that RadTrad issue. I love the Traditional Latin Mass and am disappointed that it is being limited. However I love Vatican II. Because I love TLM I feel like commentators are lumping people such myself as RadTrads. So I've been listening to KZbin vids all day on the issue and happened to come across The Ordinary Catholic. I think you get it... And by the way, strategically placed profanity can be very effective in making a point.

[@kimberHD45]

After listening to you for a few minutes, it’s clear you don’t understand either terms, “modernist” or “catholic”. You should probably just look them up first, before making a video on them.

[@OrdinaryCatholic1]

@@kimberHD45 I strongly suggest you go look at my most recent community post ...

[@kimberHD45]

@@OrdinaryCatholic1 Instead, I have a better idea, just define modernism in your own words, and defend your implied claim that pope St. Pius X didn’t know what he was talking about when he gave the Church Pascendi Dominici Gregis

[@OrdinaryCatholic1]

@@kimberHD45 go out and have a heart as big as the world... again go check out the community post.

[@kimberHD45]

@@OrdinaryCatholic1 please forget the meaningless platitudes, and instead of doing damage and putting out disinformation, help the Church, don’t work to destroy it. You need to read Pascendi Dominici Gregis

[@OrdinaryCatholic1]

@@kimberHD45 Seriously.... You're being a dipsh!t. I stand by everything I say. Again go check out my post on the community page. Otherwise you don't have to listen to me, but please listen to your assigned bishop within your Diocese.

[@florencekabunda5071]

You need to please the church owner no men .

[@CafeteriaCatholic]

What happened to Roma locuta, causa finita. Vigano is excommunicated. Just like Luther, Calvin, Hus. Those traditional catholics are not so traditional after all.

[@gerry30]

Vatican I happened, St. Thomas Aquinas happened. "If someone for a reasonable motive, holds the person of the Pope in suspicion and refuses his presence, even his jurisdiction, he does not commit the delict of schism nor any other whatsoever, ….provided he be ready accept the Pope were he not held in suspicion.” -Cardinal Thomas Cajetan, OP. Commentary on the Summa Theologiae of St. Thomas Aquinas: entry 186 on “schism”

[@InExcelsisDeo24]

@@gerry30 And then Vatican II happened. The Holy Spirit works in the living church. We can't be selective. Most Popes presided over some kind of liturgical reform, including Pius X. Three Saints started and progressed the work of Vatican II.

[@gerry30]

@@InExcelsisDeo24 The Holy Spirit also allows bad men to do bad things in positions intended for good. We actually can be selective because Vatican II distinctly engaged in the shell game of emphasizing it's "pastoral" goals overtly and during the Council and then the prelates innacurately turned it into what Ratzinger termed, "Superdogma" as if nothing that happened before mattered. Paul VI himself expressed his disappointment when he said (paraphrase) we expected sunshine after the Council and instead we got clouds and storms and through some crack the smoke of Satan has entered into the Church. During Vatican II you didn't have the "spirit of Vatican II" you had the "spirit of Giovanissimo" (meaning the spirit of John XXIII) And canonizations became a bit of a joke after Vatican II, especially under John Paul II. As it stands, they are not covered under the papal charism of infallibility. So, while they are saints on the books, and I would hope they made it to Heaven, they are dubiously political in their process.