Traditional Catholic Doctrine of Creation (1 of 7)

[@bellaveritas2378]

Thank you from another convert to the Catholic Church.

[@gadget914]

Hey, I've met you!

[@samuelpopiel877]

This is so fascinating! I was raised Protestant with the belief in literal, special creation, but I never would have guessed that it could be used to defend the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church. My wife and I were thrown for a loop when we joined the Church and learned about the ambiguity with which the modern Catechism addresses creation. It's been refreshing to revert to young-earth special creation and to know that the truth of it leads you the Catholic Church.

[@lhmomas1550]

I just started RCIA classes after 40 years of being hardcore Evangelical Christian. I am very encouraged to listen to this. I have followed the debate between young earth and old earth for a long time. I came to the conclusion that William Lang Craig and others place too much weight on scientific theories that may change. The Catholic Church has issues but it’s God Church. I’m convinced of that now.

[@jerrymarshall2095]

@@holyhammerofbyzantium8989 ur relatives lived in the 1st earth age.not this one.

[@jerrymarshall2095]

@@holyhammerofbyzantium8989 the dinosaur

[@jerrymarshall2095]

Ur not, I'm sorry I was patronizing

[@MZITinfo]

God bless the Kolbe Center

[@alanjones3503]

MZITinfo The only reason why people don’t understand this because they’re so far away from God and they’ve been misled by Satan. Satan is a liar, who convinced many he does not exist.

[@alanjones3503]

The only evidence I have. Is that I repented sorry I heard I repented I made an effort to live the gospel. And my whole life changed after 40 years of drugs schizophrenia depression and anxiety, Jesus Christ was the answer and he is merciful know my life is joyous and I feel the unconditional love. Jesus is the answer with him you can saw like an Eagle, and your cup is always overflowing. It changed my life I was suicidal attempts that many times many stays in hospital of the psychiatric variety. Holy holy holy is the Lord God Almighty. I have a great hope that many will return to Christianity in 2020. God bless you for your work

[@gingerbaker757]

@@alanjones3503 May God bless you for your powerful testimony and may it bring many conversions to Our Lord Jesus! May God protect guide and bless you that your path will be straight & very fruitful now and in the future!🕯🕊 🕯

[@johnraymond7877]

Another Sensus Fidelium, another set of Catholic truths this cradle Catholic should have learned but is only hearing now.... Eloquently and forcefully. Thanks to priest and this group!

[@TyranyFighterPatriot]

Why doesn't this have a 100 million views? The most sensible question I can think of asking at this moment.

[@batboy49]

Because nobody cares about the truth anymore :(

[@josephperez9821]

Indeed. Forgettable pop/rock stars are revered like saints and get hundreds of millions of views on YT, but the truth gets mocked and only a fraction of the views.

[@tonysabell7737]

It may. KZbin employees have been known to diminish the number of viewers if the video doesn't complement their dying marxist party line. In their stupidity they imagine this deception will stifle human curiosity and its God-given hunger for the truth.

[@canman5060]

Because Catholics in general are not favour of computer internet and social media.

[@70AD-user45]

@johnny bhai Haha. I suppose only you Papists are going to heaven? Does that include your paedophile priests?

[@AsianOrchid02]

Thank you for your amazing talk. I learned so much from this teaching and may God bless you.

[@teresaniumata2742]

Praise God forever, Thank you Fr.for this talk.

[@conniecostello3072]

I am so grateful that I found the Kolbe Center today. I have been discussing the Catechism with other Catholics online, and so many of them believe that the Catholic Church supports evolution. I now have a tool for discussion. Thank you.

[@randomango2789]

Don’t you realize that history is repeating itself? 500 years ago the great debate was about Heliocentrism vs Geocentrism. If you didn’t believe that the earth was at the center of God’s creation then you weren’t taking God at his word. Now the debate is evolution vs creation and young earth vs old earth. See what I mean?

[@conniecostello3072]

Actually people were well aware of the nature of nature back then. Jesus is not the end result of generations of death and monkeys. Sorry, you are in error about that.@@randomango2789

[@gateway6827]

Great talk. I wish we could see the pictures that he is talking about !

[@MariaAngelaGrow]

Thank you so very much! This is an extraordinary video.

[@gingerbaker757]

Yes! well said! it is totally extraordinary!

[@lucindabunda2106]

God is one, so singular and so simple but the evil one complicates things. I love the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church which I was born into. God did not make me a genius to crack all these facts to understand. All I know that God created me out of love in order for me to reciprocate to Him in that same manner. Thank you for loving God.

[@vcharles93]

This is amazing teaching. I knew there was something special about Michael Angelo, Mona Lisa painting. I just knew it. All this is making so much sense. Even St. Basil make sense.

[@georgiosdretakis]

Very Good ! I am Greek, this means that I have had some eastern Orthodox teaching I have some studies in Biology,this means that I have had some teachings in Evolution and darwinism,I can say this is very delicate idea,not so simplistic as it is usually though to be BUT I can say that the ideas of this teaching about evolution and organ harvesting are CORRECT !!!

[@joan9569]

To the speaker: Regarding the Q & A please, repeat the question to the audience (in house & on KZbin). Thank you for the wonderful information.

[@AngelinaFujioka]

It would be great

[@almeggs3247]

Tragically 90% of this presentation is lost because the slides of his presentation ARE NOT INCLUDED!

[@mgpc.]

Powerhouse of a channel! Can anyone please tell me where to find more information on the proceedings of the conferences mentioned at 1:15:30 , the cases against evolution in Sapienza University and Gustov Sebert ( I'm not confident on this spelling ) Academy? Also the friars of the Immaculata conference against evolution in defence of special creation. God bless.

[@seekeroftruth399]

Am I the only one who recognizes where all of us are? This realm is supposed to be this way. Overpopulation or any other man-made solutions won't eliminate the suffering in this world, because this is a place of spiritual growth.

[@Zematus737]

The machine is working as intended.

[@elizabethm5800]

These informative videos are very much needed, thank You so much 🙏🏽

[@georgepenton808]

The evolution hypothesis contradicts the original sin doctrine.

[@70AD-user45]

@@brianruane8505 Original sin is an allegorical story. There's a difference between allegory and myth.

[@TheFofotron]

@@brianruane8505 Wrong. No scientist call it a fact. That you call it that proves your ignorance.

[@Goodnews499]

Thanks 🙏 for explaining and affirming the truth

[@akionataito5458]

LOVE. It such GREAT teachings. Eloquently delivered.Very educational. Darwin^s evolution theory so LAUGHABLE hoping those who believe in it are listening and taking note Thank you so much with God^s blessings

[@drgeraldinesanjay2139]

Thank you Enlightening

[@immaculateheart1267]

Outstanding! Thx for sharing this.

[@devolutionist9008]

I believe man (Adam and Eve) devolved from a perfect creature to what we are, "thanks" to original sin.

[@RezaChity-G]

Yes!

[@Oldparson220]

As always the secularist cry 'Dont confuse me with facts'.

[@kathleenchristinedivalerio1041]

Amazing work!

[@danielvenne2931]

Christ at the age of 28 argumented with a Jewish rabbi about the time of creation. He said it occurred 4028 years ago as per the writing of The Life And Revelations Of Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich.

[@joan9569]

Remember that the Faithful are not required to believe in these private revelations (apparitions). It's probably the safest thing to hold at least a 1% doubt.

[@fortitude120]

Joan HAMLIN Or 99%

[@GravityBoy72]

That says a lot about Anne Catherine Emmerich. Why do people so readily believe thus guff?

[@70AD-user45]

The earth is 4.6 billion years old. 6,000 years ago was only the start of the agricultural age.

[@philc6068]

@@70AD-user45 70AD That was a good year. You believe the billions of years myth? Invented by Charles Lyell in the 19th century?

[@DrJonathanGemmill]

EXCELLENT series of talks !!!! Oppose modernist theistic evolutionism. God bless.

[@joehinojosa8314]

Evolution makes Science God. Science makes evolution the Creator.

[@philc6068]

Evolution is the religion, time is God: time makes the impossible possible to these cultists

[@kimpozon8230]

Please pray for me. After this covid plandemic i will study how to be priest .. i want to enter the life of being priest. Please pray for me and our world. This sermon made me want to embrace the fire love of our lord

[@brendanryan1852]

I will pray for your vocation discernment 🙏

[@jlmontero1950]

Awesome. Fantastic. I wonder if you could tell me how to get the subtitles or transcription of this great presentation (Matt Angelone, isn't he?). They deserve to be translated to other languages, including the Q&A section. Can you put the English transcription on the video? I'll appreciate your answer. JLM from Argentina (Spanish - speaking)

[@MsMaRiA1300]

God Thank You 4the thought process of guiding HeLp SaVe SouLs {*J*M*J*} & Bless You whom ever did this talk and therefore organized this... and downloaded

[@bellaveritas2378]

Thank you for this video.

[@timvickery541]

I wish he provided more specific examples and sources for some of his claims.

[@careybowden4864]

My Baltimore Catechism from the 40's has several paragraphs on how evolution may one day be reconciled with the Genesis account, and how we don't have to believe the days of creation were 24-hour days, they could be thousands of years. Makes it very hard to know what Catholic sources are trustworthy.

[@kmjacik8904]

God does Not lie. He explained how everything was created and yes, it was 24 hour days Not thousands or millions of years apart. God thought and spoke the world into existence

[@brendanryan1852]

Johnathan Pergeau would love this discussion on iconography in church history.

[@jeffreydavis4277]

Do you believe that there is a FIRMAMENT above us with water above that FIRMAMENT or OUTERSPACE?

[@AnneFallible]

I've enjoyed this series, thank you. Is the Kolbe Center connected in any way with the Kolbe Foundation?

[@theresep7386]

Also, where can one find this document on Creation produced during Lateran IV? [mentioned around 49:00]

[@theresep7386]

found it here. www.kolbecenter.org/faith-and-reason/

[@hopesmothermon1]

The Egyptians at that time wrote Moses according to egyptian scolers could have spoke up to 6 different languages and wrote and read them also. Children brought up in the Pharaoh's house were super educated.

[@theresep7386]

Could the producer of this video get the corresponding icons [& paintings] to which Father makes reference & incorporate them at the relevant points?

[@ferni200211]

Found the icons here: webtools.kolbenet.com/shopcart.php?n=2&cat=Icons

[@SensusFidelium]

trust me I wanted to & I have another talk by him that has the powerpoint & I've used the icons in other talks but being that the series was so long it would have taken me a month to get the entire series up & decent so I went generic thinking exactly that people would look up the things needed. Check out the Noah talk I really want that powerpoint

[@jeannehoman4552]

I just got the audio

[@celekeagle]

Also on the latter note of the dating, I am sure you address this issue in another video or on the website, but until I find it, here is my question, I did some research and the fossils would have no carbon 14 in them. This was shellac that was measured. From the dating of the rocks around the bones and all the other evidence, it would be difficult to say that the bones got where they are.

[@celekeagle]

Forgive my ignorance. I must have mistaken the great wisdom of the glorious saint and martyr Maximilian Kolbe and the wisdom of pious, holy, and saintly popes, bishops, doctors, and the holy and divinely inspired councils of the church. How does Adam being born from the womb of a pre-human make him necessarily the immaculate conception, if the womb he came from could not be bearing sin? This would be to say the dirt from which Adam was formed did not make him the immaculate conception. If the animal is no more a sinner that the dirt, and if the animal too came from the dirt, how does dirt becoming animal to form man any different than by the grandeur of time make dirt becoming man less of the need for Adam to be the immaculate conception. The beauty of evolution further explains and expounds on the great mystery of the vastness of God's creation in the cosmos. If God creates the vastness of space and puts every detail into the farthest corners of the universe as well as in the great mysteries we are currently wrapping our minds around like dark matter and energy, how much more great and glorious a creation that God would elapse billions of years to complement the visible universe (and whatever we cannot see) in the vastness of space. This great size of the created world along with the great elapse of time show we are just the beginning to what we can understand of the greatness of God's creation to culminate with the creation of man. Also this being a mere theory, which means if and when a more convincing idea is espoused that explains the evidence, or in the face of contradicting evidence, a better explanation can be presented, the theory of evolution in particular pointing to the beauty and love of God in his creative work to let us see how much He loves us to make magnificent creatures for us to imagine, as we contemplate the days of creation, so we can contemplate the days of the dinosaurs. Just as God in the order of creation simply does not make the heavens, the sky, and the earth alone, but spends another three days governing them each, so in evolution this further emphasises God's plan for dominion in the creation of man. For in the heavens, air and land, for the powers to come and become greater even amongst themselves, beyond what Moses recorded and the doctors meditated, show us how humble He calls even the great saints to and how much He loves us today to bring us to an aspect of divine creation not even revealed to Moses and the doctors of the faith. This being said, God too could be humbling us in our ignorance and arrogance to doubt the wisdom of the holy saints. In light of this, and considering how stupid we tend to be, this can also simply be God exalting the lowliness of our stupidity with a great mystery to contemplate. Second, the theory of evolution does not rule out that Adam and Eve were not created from literally the dust from the hand of God so as to not be born of a pre-human, yet God permitted pre-human appearing being to roam the earth before man for our glory. Just as there are angels lower than the higher, so there can be man like beasts to roam the earth in preparation of the world for the glory of God's creation in man. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater and disallow the theory all together. Yes it is scandalous and easily leads to error, and is difficult to easily reach pious beliefs from it alone, but that is why God has revealed truth to us, that from what we can know of the empirical world can be understood in light of revelation, not the other way around. In my humble and ignorant opinion, the issue doesn't matter much as to necessarily how it all happened. We can consider various theories, yet ultimately leave what God doesn't reveal up to mystery, and rationalize what we can which God permits us to. That being said, it is a lot easier simply to agree wholesale with Moses, the doctors, and the Church when she teaches what is definitely true, instead of trying to figure out how something seemingly contradictory may be true until the Holy Church declares on it (examples being Jesus is God and man, God is good and allows evil. These are difficult concepts to understand and rationalize completely, but the church wisely leaves much of this to mystery in the particulars, but explains what is true and is divinely revealed). Note, when I say pre-human, I mean animals that appear like humans. I am not insisting on a fourth person (divine, angelis, human, and pre-human), I simply mean a non-person literal animal, that simply appears like a man, but is not a man, and is simply an animal.

[@phillipraj]

I have doubts on the uncontacted people tribes on earth. Aren't their existence even today prove that man has evolved from stone age?? I believe in creationism and also according to bible human race came to existence 6000 years but for example the north sentinelese tribal people are said to be living for 60000 years. Can anyone please help me to sort my doubts.

[@miamaria333]

what was St. John Paul 11's belief on evolutiion? Seems like a few years ago there was some sort of news in regards to something he said on evolution that ruffled feathers.

[@ScutumFidei]

Good talk. Very good. I have only 2 questions: 1. How is he a priest and has 9 children? 2. What is the bame of the talk and is there any playlist alrrady created?

[@kathleenkindt3688]

He's not a priest. It's Hugh Owen.

[@tylerdurden7484]

I'm not a believer in evolution but how does an icon prove evolution is false? Someone drew a picture of what was believed, therefore what the person believed who drew it is true? That seems absurd.. I don't understand but would like to

[@levacarvalho]

It's pointless talking to creationists

[@joehinojosa8314]

Authority for the Church:,sacred tradition+ scripture+ Darwin?

[@gregmarra9457]

Does anyone know the name of this priest or his organization?

[@adjesumpermariam8070]

Hugh Owen. Kolbe Center. (He is not a priest but a layman)

[@michaelanderson4849]

But as far as I know Kolbe didn't support that your earth model you promote. So why chose him for your name?

[@AngusMcDonell]

True and beautiful! Is there anyway to view the slides? Blessings!

[@MarkErrington]

Thanks for this video. Evolution and atheistic thinking is beyond absurd.

[@daviddsouza735]

Where can I find the next parts of this series? Thank you.

[@baldrbraa]

No scientist EVER claimed that evolution explains the origin of the universe.

[@macroglossumstellatarum3068]

Unfortunately, they base their argument off of what I call “the Hovind definition of Evolution” in which they claim that, in order for the universe to be here, matter had to “evolve.” It’s a scientifically unrepresentative way for them to argue two threatening topics at once, the apparent age of the Earth as well as the Biological theory of evolution. It’s sucks, but unfortunately we usually have to play ball with their terms. Hope this helps.

[@universalflamethrower6342]

Thought evolution was true throughout university, now I think it is total nonsense. James tour a messianic Jew and micro-chemist has a very good channel on the creation of life and intelligent design.

[@D12ex]

1:11:15 really no pope? But he did. Not that I agree, but here we are.

[@KMF3]

I have a question about something that is said in Genesis. After Kane kills Abel Abel he goes off to another town where there are people

[@kmjacik8904]

The people come from Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve had more sons and daughters other then just Cain and Able

[@KMF3]

@@kmjacik8904 but if Cain and Abel are the first born how are there other people that wouldn't be way younger?

[@kmjacik8904]

@@KMF3 Cain married one of his sisters that was younger then he. Not sure if this answers your question, if not can you bee more clear? First there was Adam and Eve who had Cain and Able, then Seth and other siblings. So Cain was the eldest of all

[@credidimuscaritati]

Timestamps: 1:10:50

[@paulschiller979]

have you seen "Journey to the Center of the Universe" or had Dr Robert Sungenis to your forum ?

[@pedroinaustin]

Dr. Sungenis is an active member and speaker of the Kolbe Center.

[@user-tc2wv4ue7y]

12:00 Hello today

[@edwardwelsch5893]

It is not at all accurate to characterize the traditional Church position as creationism. Read Origen and Augustine, and the history of the Church, which shows that an allegorical reading of Genesis was and is not just acceptable, but dominant all the way up to the Reformation. This speaker is totally historically inaccurate.

[@ajmartin7115]

Evolution goes directly against two sacraments: Reconciliation and the Eucharist. period. Re is re!!!

[@Geremia08]

Who is the speaker?

[@NYYFan1988]

Hugh Owen

[@tomasderosa9349]

Who´s the speaker here?

[@jfilmsproductions7289]

Dr Hugh Owen

[@genekelly8467]

I don't know how God created humans, but as for the great numbers of animals and plants are no longer here (like the dinosaurs, giant club mosses, etc.)-why were they created and then discarded? Are fossils fake? The earth has had life for 100s of millions of years-why was that all necessary?

[@josephchapman9575]

God's choice is the only necessary thing.

[@lelavelion1356]

I believe the point is, God created a perfect world with no disorder at all and nothing missing. However, after the original sin death and decay entered the world so the perfect order that was originally in the garden was lost. This is why things go extinct, we no longer live in a perfectly ordered world there is death, disease, extinction, natural disasters, etc.

[@petercarlson811]

So Genesis is to be taken literally, OK. Then please explain how the earth could be created before light since light is the very glue that holds atoms together. So without that glue no planet earth.

[@D347H1NC4RN473]

+Peter Carlson Light is not the glue that holds atoms together. Atoms are held together in two ways; internally (the sub-atomic particles stick together to make an atom) and externally (molecular bonds). Internally, there are two forces; protons and neutrons are bound by the strong nuclear force. The particle associated with this force is the gluon (i.e. the glue-on). Electrons are bound by the weak nuclear force. It's particles are W and Z bosons. Externally, atoms are bound together by either ionic bonds (as in a crystal), which is a complete transfer of an electron from one atom to another, or covalent bonds, which are incomplete electron transfer between atoms. So there is no need for light in any sort of atomic bonding.

[@petercarlson811]

John .Fielder The positive core of the atom and the negative electron are attracted through the Columb force and the same force is responsible for holding atoms together in molecules. The Columb force is a part of the electromagnetic force. Which particle is the force carrier for the electromagnetic force? Yes, you guessed it, the photon.

[@D347H1NC4RN473]

+Peter Carlson Here are a few explanations: The Earth and light were created on the same day; Sunday, the first day. Now this could mean that they were created at the same time, resolving the problem. Also, with magnets, the force carrier may not be photons. Apparently they're called virtual photons, which are a mathematical construct used to explain quantum electromagnetics. So in some cases photons may be the force carrier, but in other cases, this may not be so. (Google virtual particles). Another possibility is that modern physics is wrong to claim that light is an electromagnetic wave. Maxwell may have been mistaken to deduce that just because both travel at the same speed they must be the same substance. That's it for my explanations. However, just because science at the moment may not be able to explain something doesn't mean it's wrong. Theology declares absolute truths from God. Philosophy is it's handmaid. But very little in science is absolutely true. Natural science should be used to save the appearances, and not be any sort of arbiter of absolute and undeniable truths. And this comes from a physicist.

[@petercarlson811]

John .Fielder Dear John, I know what virtual particles mean. It is is a general disturbance in the field which is the opposite of a well defined particle. Yet this disturbance is the actual force carrier when, for example, two electrons repel each other. If you are determined to interpret Genesis literally then there is a problem when Genesis clearly says that earth was created before light. Earth was already created in verse 2 and light came into existence in verse 3.

[@petercarlson811]

John .Fielder Did you say you were a physicist at the end of your last reply or did I misunderstand you?

[@Bella4us7]

This is awesome!!! Now I want to hear the truth about the flat motionless plane that we live on with a dome over us... separating the waters from the waters!

[@aaronburnsbonaventurebookk595]

Bella4us7 Earth is not flat... however! Space is indeed geocentric.

[@Bella4us7]

@@aaronburnsbonaventurebookk595 Au' contriare my friend! The Earth is indeed flat!!! They did a test on Kansas and it is actually literally flat as a pancake. And it is only the seventh flattest State. The proof is in the pudding as they say. Don't trust what the Freemasonic NASA and the world Governments have to say. If it contradicts Scripture, and Catholic Tradition (it does), ... you know what the agenda is!

[@Chris-dt5td]

Leave the Freemasons, they are bound to Satan! It is worth listening this person, God is in the details. I am willing to hear what he says. How do you explain that everything evolves and becomes more complex, however, the number of chromosomes of apes and humans seems to contradict this. Apes have 24 pairs and humans 23 pair of chromosomes. Very interesting at least to say.

[@eddyg1215]

Bella4us7: I'm a Catholic and I agree with you.

[@Bella4us7]

@@eddyg1215 Good to know that there are a few of us enlightened Catholics that know this truth. God Bless!

[@seekeroftruth399]

According to the History Channel's "Ancient Alien" episodes, humans were genetically engineered by alien visitors from the highest forms of organic evolution existing here when they arrived here hundreds of thousands of years ago.

[@philc6068]

It's kicking thecan down the road. It's one way to explain the extreme complexity of us and the impossibility of evolution, without God.

[@davidcollins5075]

OK. The universe was brought into being by God 13.7 billion years ago. God formed the earth 4.5 billion years ago. Man was created by God out of hominids some, I don't know, a million years ago? and He did it by means of evolution. So why is the world so fouled up? Why so much evil? Well, as the fable of the temptation of Adam and Eve explains, we prefer our own will to God's will and prefer the goods of this world to the heavenly gifts God offers us. The first three chapters of Genesis aren't historical accounts, but they do explain perfectly why I, and you, sin. And the proto-evangelium gives the first glimpse of how we can overcome our sin.

[@hankochai]

I usually enjoy SF videos, but this guy sounds nutty.

[@KiddKoalaz]

Milo check

[@zachweaver5878]

1:17:11

[@andrefouche9682]

According to Theistic evolution Adam Could have eaten his parents without sinning.

[@tersooawen4249]

I was expecting an intellectual presentation, explaining the science of creation, the creative nature of God, what it actually means and how it should be understood. But instead, it is simply a faith preaching and the faithfulness of the Roman Catholic church to the scriptures!! What exactly is that creation that catholics believe in in its literal presentation!! This is a message that should be preached on the pulpit on a sunday. It is not an intellectual teaching. Ciao!!

[@levacarvalho]

Indeed, it has zero epistemological validity. I usually side with Christianity in various disputes against the modern world but I recognize all they say about evolution and abiogenesis is pure garbage, sometimes it even annoys to listen to their flawed arguments.

[@GravityBoy72]

So.. God punished Adam and Eve for doing something that they couldn't know was evil before they did it. Oh and a talking snake told them to do it. It's a ridiculous story. The Catholic Church has been trying to wriggle out of a literal interpretation of Genesis for a while now. They taught it as literal for a long time before.

[@jimnewl]

The idiotic position is to believe that it was NOT a talking snake (or some other animal, at any rate) that tempted Eve. Why? Because angels are immaterial in nature. They have no way to appear to, or communicate with, human beings directly (by their own power). However, being spirits, they do have the capacity to possess the bodies of physical creatures under certain circumstances. So if the devil wished to talk to Eve, he would have had no choice but to possess the body of an animal (seeing as how there were no fallen humans to possess). I don't know whether the devil could force human language out of a reptile somehow or if that part was supplied by a special dispensation from God, but either way, your objection to a talking snake is complete nonsense. There are things in Genesis that are difficult to explain. This is not one of them.

[@GravityBoy72]

@@jimnewl Hilarious. There is no excuse too extreme for the talking snake.

[@jimnewl]

@@GravityBoy72I have given you a perfectly rational explanation for the talking "snake." You have offered no rational explanation for why it couldn't have been so. Laughing/mocking is not rational argument. It is the way of the child. (The creature was not a snake, btw, but a "serpent" of some other sort which did not crawl on its belly until after it was cursed by God for deceiving Eve. Just FYI, since you don't seem to be much of a stickler for accuracy.)

[@josephchapman9575]

Your summary of Genesis is wrong and Thomas Aquinas disagreed with the literal interpretation of Genesis

[@GravityBoy72]

@@josephchapman9575 So you say. I think you'll find I'm right though. So... did Adam and Eve know they were doing wrong before they had the knowledge of right and wrong? Why did God punish them for that?

[@USMCSurvivalist]

I’m a Trad Cat, but this guy is full of it. Worse, he seems to believe his lies.

[@andrefouche9682]

Do you reckon Adam could have eaten his parents without sinning?

[@richie8811]

This is wrong. Plain wrong. As a Catholic, I wholeheartedly disagree with this "Traditional Catholic Doctrine of Creation." The Catholic Church has already declared that Darwinian evolution was compatible, and not in conflict, with Christianity. Pope Pius XII first declared this 60 years ago and was reaffirmed by John Paul II and Benedict. In fact, Benedict wrote a book called 'In the Beginning...' A Catholic Understanding of the Story of Creation and the Fall', which criticized literal readings of the Bible and treating the Bible as a scientific textbook. Evolution is not a belief. It's a scientific theory. Catholics just have the added belief that God is still involved in the process, not divorced from the creation of man.

[@richie8811]

It is not merely opinion regarding the church's acceptance of evolution. The Church does allow for believers to accept "special creation" theory, where the Earth was created in six literal days. But it does not forbid acceptance of evolution either, which takes place over a much longer period of time, as long as God's role is acknowledged. The second creation path would mean the Book of Genesis is allegorical in nature, not literal. Pope Pius XII already stated in the encyclical Humani Generis that there is no conflict between the Church and the theory of evolution. Here is a quote: "The teaching authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions . . . take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter-[but] the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God" (Pius XII, Humani Generis 36). And from the Catechism of the Catholic Church: "The question about the origins of the world and of man has been the object of many scientific studies which have splendidly enriched our knowledge of the age and dimensions of the cosmos, the development of life-forms and the appearance of man. These discoveries invite us to even greater admiration for the greatness of the Creator, prompting us to give him thanks for all his works and for the understanding and wisdom he gives to scholars and researchers" (CCC 283). All three Popes have condemned and ridiculed the Intelligent Design theory, the 6,000 year-old Earth theory (Young Earth Theory) and literal creationism (reading the entire Bible as though it there are no genres of analogies of allegory. In other words, the entire Earth was covered after only just 40 days of rain, with Noah ark's literally hold all the animals, and so forth. My point is, we are Catholics. Copernicus was a Catholic priest and the scientist who put forth the Big Bang theory was a Catholic priest. We should be going forward in science, not cowering in a fetal position. God's majesty in this material world is far far more sophisticated than we could ever imagine. We should not be afraid.

[@MR-qh7fq]

The theory of evolution is wrong. Plain wrong. First off, it is a theory defined as an "idea formed by speculation: an idea of or belief about something arrived at through speculation or conjecture" (definition courtesy of bing). Neither you nor I were present at the start of creation and neither have first hand knowledge as to how the world was created. Men came up with this theory based on their own observations and own ideas about how nature works...without God. Have you done any "scientific research" yourself to substantiate any of evolutionists claims or do you rely on what other people have told you, including so called "scientists". Have you personally seen and independently evaluated their research, and raw data? If not, you must believe and trust what they are saying. If so, you have faith in them. Moses wrote Genesis while divinely inspired by God. Why do you not have faith in him and what he wrote?

[@TheKevin9000]

+richie8811 The statements by John Paul II and Benedict were opinion. In the Encyclical Humani Generis Pope Pius XII did not outright say that evolution is compatible with the Catholic Faith, he said the church does not forbid research and discussions (36), he also explicitly warns of the bold transgression of the limits and safeguards established by the Church by the sciences (38). Another important thing that is affirmed in Humani Generis is the affirmation of the Dogma that Adam and Eve were real and literal persons. (37) When people who put forward theistic evolution hypotheses, it always involves Adam and Eve being born to an animal population of "human ancestors" who did not have human souls. Then, there is some rigmarole where Adam somehow finds Eve, God raises their souls to that which he always intended through some great miracle (or billions of smaller miracles) and so on. These theistic evolution stories always have to affirm Adam's literal existence, while putting the population they want Adam to represent before Adam. Not only this, but theistic evolution conflicts with the doctrine of original sin, which brought death into the world, yet you are saying death was used to create. Listen, the world which we inhabit right now came into existence as a result of the fall, not one of the two creation narratives, theistic evolution is pure hubris because you cannot know what the world was like before the fall. A final point is that from the perspective of anthropology, it was not just biology that evolved but also morality itself. How could unsouled animals pass on a morality which they do not possess? We believe that Adam and Eve were created perfectly human before the fall. How are they then moral persons when theistic evolution theories require them to have sex with non-souled human ancestors in order to keep genetic diversity? You can't still believe in the Dogma that Adam and Eve were real and still believe that their evolution from lower ancestors is a reasonable theory. Further reading for you: The Metaphysics of Evolution by Fr. Chad Ripperger FSSP Theistic Evolution The Teilhardian Heresy by Wolfgang Smith

[@39knights]

Pio Kolby Went through a Faith Crisis a few years ago and eventually found my way back to the Catholic Church. In my search I did learn alot from the Kent Hovind series on creation; followed by a more recent updated version by Ian Juby of wazooloodotcom (Canadian guy). Though they are bible-belters and somewhat anti-catholic(especially Kent -- so fellow catholics be careful here); I couldn't argue with their scientific analysis of the evolution of evolution theory. I wondered what Catholics were saying on the issue when I came across this video and also some good work by Robert Sungensis. It is very interesting indeed. I will agree with all the gentlemen here mentioned, that one of the extreme faith-killers has been the presentation of evolution and its contradictions with the Bible. Something like 75-80% of college level students would attribute the loss of their faith specifically to the theory of evolution. This in itself would not be a valid reason to discount the theory; but the overwhelming evidence of how bad and unsubstantiated the theory is; should.

[@MR-qh7fq]

***** Thank you for you reply and I did check out your link...but it appears to be an attempt to reconcile Genesis with evolution (adopting a Helgian dialectic perspective...it's a real thing, look it up) also know as theistic evolution and it is wrong. It is contrary to basic philosophical principles-something cannot come from nothing, and something cannot give what it doesn't have. It is contrary to basic scientific principles-the second law of thermodynamics, the idea of entropy-systems do not spontaneously get more organized, they go from order to disorder...organized to disorganized...not the other way around (simple look around you for proof of this); evolution cannot be observed; it cannot be recreated in the lab (when was the last time a scientist created life from non life...outside of Frankenstein)...It is contrary to common sense (when was the last time human mutations were really helpful-outside of the X-Men movies). And it is contrary to the Bible and the Catholic faith-how did life begin then? If no Adam and Eve-no Original Sin and no need for Christ to die to remove it, Christ is not then the "Second Adam", Mary is not the "Second Eve", there is then no significance to the Church being "born" from Christ's side while he "slept" on the cross like Eve was created from Adam's rib while he "slept", sin and death did not then enter the world through Adam but death, decay, destruction, mutations must have been built in and put there by God in the beginning, Christ cannot be the "exemplar" of creation (the Alpha and Omega...the cornerstone), everyone who came after Christ must then have been "more evolved" than Christ, if man were made in the "image and likeness of God" what image and likeness where the precursors of "man" made in? It denies the Immaculate Conception. I could go on. It also starts a dangerous "slippery slope" if Adam and Eve weren't "real"; what about Noah and the flood, what about Jonah and the whale, are they "fake" why stop there...It denies the existence of miracles...why believe Christ cured the blind and deaf, raised people from the dead, etc. by simply commanding it with his words...when we deny God created the universe by simply commanding it with his "Word" (i.e. the "Word of God"). I also thank and incorporate the response of kmo_9000, as well.

[@ignaciomaldonado947]

Byfd

[@godlessrecovery8880]

This guy doesn't know what the word facts means.

[@jamie7880]

So what does it mean?

[@almeggs3247]

As a retired MD scientist facts are supposed to be replicated by anyone with the same outcome The problem is that the word is misused in applying it to opinions

[@havingfun1705]

I am not Catholic and the errors here are horrific. Gen 3:15 is never rendered as she/her...Go look at the Hebrew I did. Also it seems like you now are embracing evolution. The new Pope does, just Google it. I believe in Creations and certainly don't need a bunch of "authority" to point it out. It is obvious if you are Christian and you are not! I wish Catholics would wake up! Thanks.

[@dbtez1212]

Having Fun Go away

[@thebiblestudyhelper9389]

I'm looking at Gen 3:15 from the Jewish publication society .....you are full of " it".