Trails of Cold Steel II - Boss: Rean & Altina (No Damage, Nightmare)

Trails of Cold Steel II - Boss 26:
Lloyd & Rixia vs Black-Haired Boy & Black-Clad Girl (No Damage, Nightmare Mode)
Playlist: • Trails of Cold Steel I...

[@Taperollandball]

Rean: OH GOD IS THIS WHAT ITS LIKE BEING ON THE RECEIVING END OF THIS

[@Averi0]

In the empire of Erebonia, you delay spam enemies. In Crossbell, enemies spam delay YOU

[@McCaroni_Sup]

@@Averi0 Lol that reminds me of Mot using beast eye over and over and absolutely wiping out your party by getting extra turns and megidolaon in SMT 3

[@OneTrueNobody]

Tut tut. Rean forgot to equip his Unyielding Heart.

[@mirakhalifa8704]

@Heartless Angel Ketsueki I remember on the Valimar fights with Sara as copilot, she casts that skill that lowers enemy ATK, just spam it and the enemy can't make a scratch on you.

[@Isomeria450]

@Heartless Angel Ketsueki well... yeah. But noone FORCES you to "cheat" (play broken things). You can always play fair and don't bother with "optimisation" or "stacking".

[@mueezadam8438]

This fight took so much out of me emotionally, like... Rean is just so sad with how his life turned out. He has no friends with him, he’s fighting for a cause he doesn’t believe in, and to top it all off... he has no where else to go. He’s just a tool of the Empire now.

[@user-ps4vy9sq8x]

He is a tool of everyone…, they always ask him a favor, even a tough one..., even an meaningless one likes searching a sticker...

[@keroro1122]

but Llyod isn't? he got everything stack against him for than his team can even handle, crossbell gets taken over and there nothing he can and he fought a final battle knowing that crossbell will taken over by the empire.

[@user-ps4vy9sq8x]

Rean has no friends with him, but dozens of waifus...（I wonder if Emma is canon but not Alisa...）

[@julz19]

@@user-ps4vy9sq8x Alissa is definitely canon, and believe me, I still sail that fie or laura ship

[@FungusUSMC]

His line from the end of the clip says it all. He wanted to proudly state he is a member of Thors Class VII with a smile... then stops himself and state he's merely a provisional imperial military officer, with a hint of sadness on his face. I am guessing not only does he realize he has been reduced to just a pawn, but also did not want to tarnish the good name of Class VII with his actions.

[@jyashin]

Rean and Altina decided to equip a bunch of Golden Mishies instead of Lionheart and Grail Locket.

[@redhawkneofeatherman261]

Gotta get their Crossbell merch whilst they're in the area afterall

[@liquideeriemusic4691]

damn

[@guifire9747]

Rean: and it's not even my final form

[@lonetraveler3480]

I think this would have been cool if falcom let you play this at the end of Azure AND in Cold Steel 2. Like you’d chronologically have no idea who Rean is and it’d leave so many questions into the new arc, then goosebump everyone when it came back. Well, too late now. 💀

[@thejonbrownshow8470]

Would be interesting, the idea of them demaking this segment for whenever (or rather ifever) they bring over crossbell

[@ThanhTriet600]

@@thejonbrownshow8470 It'd be kind of a big spoiler to include Valimar in Azure for people playing in release order. Assuming people don't already know about him. (I sure did before playing beyond Sky SC because of watching speedruns and seeing ads for Cold Steel III.

[@lilchromie]

​@@ThanhTriet600well to be fair azure had no problem spoiling cold steel 1 and 2 before they even came out. They tell you about the civil war during azure, and for some ungodly reason the ending of azure mentions that gilliath wins the civil war.

[@PrincessTwilightdash]

@@lilchromieI mean yeah they also explain what happen with gurellia fortresss and we already know what caused it…

[@Mintcar923]

I had the strangest feeling Rean was going to be the boss before walking in..

[@Keaten88]

i love how rean and lloyd beat the shit out of each other and then just become absolute bros the next time they meet

[@koboi9295]

barely speak to each other but already became bros in their 2nd short encounter

[@misterpayah7723]

Probably the one time Chrono Break is OP because Rean and Altina forgot to pack some AT Delay resistance.

[@thunderkravenrifthound2288]

Protagonist vs Protagonist

[@otakamerd1220]

"Let's see you Motivate+Impede Leaf Cutter spam your way out of this one Rean"

[@McCaroni_Sup]

8:21 "Impressed" Bruh he didn't even get a chance!

[@katomamundara8106]

Of course, he had to take off his Grail Sphere or it would be too easy.

[@gateofdestiny]

Rean: Are we the bad guys?

[@VanceAsagi]

Wow, I just started my NG+ run on nightmare. This is going to be a serious help

[@kuuradog7710]

Nightmare isn't even that hard I recently play trail of cold steel 1 and 2 first game through was on nightmare.

[@veghesther3204]

Well I'll never attempt Nightmare without ALL party members at lv 200 including Lloyd/Rixia but you can't actually USE any shining pom items at this point even if you HAD any left. That and a lv 200 Lloyd/Rixia would barely break around 15,000 damage with their s crafts and BOTH Rean and Altina on Nightmare mode have WAY MORE HP then that.

[@lilchromie]

​@@veghesther3204I just did this nightmare for my first playthrough, and this fight was pretty easy. Nightmare is only really challenging at the start.

[@KujoMakoto]

I remember i used to have so much goosebumps when the music plays

[@WesleyZ3]

1:56 Arm meets weapon

[@HansAlRachid]

Man I wish Zero and Ao would receive a western release - the setting and characters in those games are so much more interesting to me than the school stuff from Cold Steel.

[@WalkerSunriseChannel]

It’s not official, but at least there’s a fan translation for Zero happening that looks pretty legit. I’m looking forward to it. geofront.esterior.net That said, I’m a fairly newish Trails fan, so I might not know if there have been other attempts in the past or not, but it seems promising to me.

[@kazeh44]

i feel you men, to play Ao i had to look at some spreedsheet with the translation and i was playing the game on japanese..that was SUPER hard

[@Nel_Annette]

Yeah, I've only played the Sky and first two Cold Steel games and every time ToCS I&II mentioned "Something's happening in Crossbell!" I just wanted them to bring over the freaking games! XD This moment would have had so much more of an impact for me if I had gotten to know Lloyd and Rixia, but I just didn't have that experience.

[@evewhoo]

I think both are equally interesting. Just different. BUT I would like an official release. It’s very kind of people to go so far and make a fan translation for the game, but at the end of the day, I’d still prefer to have official versions of the games. I really want a game in Calvard, but with IV being the end, I don’t think my wish will be granted lol

[@kensonkingpin3269]

There is one more series taking place after cold steel and I think it's going to take place there so I wouldn't be too down ;)

[@yosha2467]

2:06 it's a good thing they hid his name in spite of the fact that Altina outright called him by name a few seconds before.

[@guifire9747]

Not like it's hard to find his name either way, he just have to read the newspaper (not really well informed the SSS, not knowing the "Hero of Erebonia" ^^ )

[@jastusvhentor787]

​@@guifire9747 Well to be fair for the SSS, they just recently finished their journey within the Azure Tree and Crossbell got quickly annexed just after the civil war in Erebonia.

[@guifire9747]

@@jastusvhentor787 Well that's true, but that means that no member of the SSS (inculding their little genius behind the computer aka the dude who handle the intel) have access to a newspaper (or television for that matter), that's hard to swallow, Rean is like "the hero of Erebonia" that fight in Crossbell at that point, it's hard to believe that Lloyd and the other never heard of him or Valimar But as you said maybe they're were too caught up in other business to keep an eye on the "official" face of the annexion

[@wakie231]

@@guifire9747 To be frank, in Kiseki games, the names of characters are purposely hidden until 'proper introduction.' As for the SSS, during my playthrough of Zero no Kiseki (through Geofront patch), I've learned that the Special Support Section is a semi-independent division of the Crossbell Police Department that still gets their information from either their chief/authorities, an external "informant", or the Crossbell Times newspaper, exclusive to Crossbell. In Crossbell they don't sell Liberl News or Imperial Chronicle, TVs aren't invented yet, nor does any Crossbell Times issue mention the "Hero" of Erebonia. Rean was never mentioned in both Ao and Zero. Either way, the SSS and the Bracer Guild was truly preoccupied with the Azure Tree, and Osborne took this as an opportunity to annex Crossbell finally. With Crossbell under annexation, the Intelligence Division censors and neutralizes threats, tearing the members of the SSS & CPD apart... Jona, Tio, and Cao obviously knows Rean's identity through their intercontinental networks of information, however, what they failed to anticipate is that Lechter is 2 steps ahead, and his plan would be executed by Rean, instead of him fighting Calvardian Forces. So with Lloyd and Rixia going underground, under constant pressure/getting hunted by the Intelligence Division, and acquiring scarce info from a mafia boss, yea it would make sense why they don't know who the 'skilled warrior' was.

[@guifire9747]

@@wakie231 Thanks for the intel bro, i have yet to play the Crossbell duology, are both game translated?

[@peaceolale]

Rean, in a couple of years from now the guy in a police suit will help you resolve your conflict

[@Thunderhead430]

Rixia: Prepare yourself!

[@kggresham]

My goodness you decimated those two…

[@judesagpang6357]

Rean and Altina be like: Can we please at least get a turn?!

[@pochul]

rean + altina = best

[@henrysmarthy286]

Before I thought it was stupid that they removed overdrive because it was Rean's power as a Divine Knight pilot, but seeing Lloyd use it made it look silly.

[@nesoukkefka1741]

IIRC Overdrive was already a game mechanic in Trails from Azure tough.

[@si-level]

Hmm so why they decide to remove it in cs 1 and bring back it again cs2

[@Wayfinder137]

@@si-level Who knows, tho I'd imagine it's because class VII didn't have a strong enough bond with each other to actually use it until CS2. Considering CS1 was them developing said bonds, which makes sense why they would only have links during CS1 events. Now tbf, I've only played CS1 & am currently on my NG+ of CS2(act 2 part 4 and still blitzing through it) so idk the situation of previous games.

[@SpecialSupportSection]

Lloyd's team already had a proto-Overdrive in their original games (but only in Ao/Azure as far as I can remember) named Burst, so it makes a bit of sense.

[@McCaroni_Sup]

​@@SpecialSupportSection Except burst was only available in some dungeons.

[@kwpineda5663]

The music 🎶 tho!

[@dogenasus1717]

I forgot how overpowered Valimar actually is compared to character that aren't in mech suits.

[@brahmantyoihsan5938]

One word: McBurn

[@TheSexyFunTimes]

its probably been a while, but what Quartz were you packing on your party for this fight?

[@Racast]

For this strategy you only need Chrono Break, everything else is just a bonus. Lloyd EP Cut 1 Saintly Force Shield Breaker Dark Matter Forte EP Cut 2 Adamantine Shield Chrono Break Rixia Action 2 Attack 3 Youkai Gem Zeus Gem Sleep 2 Impede 2 Saintly Force Chrono Break

[@TheSexyFunTimes]

Thanks for this man

[@canasnewell3089]

Aguila701 yes it is. The amount of broken stuff is ridiculous

[@canasnewell3089]

Since I'm here I feel like I should try to make a list like a month later lol, here goes: -AT delay -Fie -Chrono Burst Tauros+Domination Waterfall Aries+Water bell Evasion Faint Triple advantage Orochi Force Ogre Form Vermillion Chevalier Shining Heavely blessing Moebius Impede quartz Cypher/Juggler S-crafts Overdrive Murakumo crit builds And I might've forgotten a few

[@bimoprakoso2820]

@@canasnewell3089 You Forget Laura, Brute Strength monster.

[@finfunnel1597]

laughed at "black haired boy", I mean... c'mon we already know who he is.😝

[@kuuradog7710]

Apparently the game thinks we're ignorant

[@tyveculus220]

@@kuuradog7710 playing cold steel 3 they do that a lot.

[@Miguel-ht5gl]

@@kuuradog7710 Lloyd and Rixian don't know who they are, so that's their perspective

[@thejonbrownshow8470]

After 80 hours and the first credits happened, I just wipe my mind 😂😂😂

[@0daadaadaa0]

Lloyd and Rixia doesn't, and guess who we're playing as at this fight?

[@liquideeriemusic4691]

how did u get delay quartz and speed quartz?

[@thejonbrownshow8470]

Given that Rean's a teen still and Lloyd is a young adult, I think it'd be appropriate if this was how the fight was canonically fought 🤣

[@hahmann]

So? Rean's a martial artist with 7+ years of training before even going to Thors, at this point in the story he also spent a whole year practicing his swordsmanship in actual combat. Ironically Rean trained longer under Ka-Fai than Joshua and Renne did under Weissmann. Some Crossbellan cop beating experienced 8L1B users with tonfas (non-lethal weapon) is bullshit but it's still not as bad as in Azure, you know what I'm talking about if you've played that game.

[@thejonbrownshow8470]

@@hahmann not exactly sure what you mean by "8L1B" , but I suppose I'll see what you mean then xD, to me Lloyd can survive running into a black hole more or less (as I spoiled the ending of azure on myself just cuz lol), so to me, he should be able to handle Rean 😂

[@davidtimmer596]

@@thejonbrownshow8470 It's the 8 Leaves One Blade style.

[@Comrade_C]

Rean is one year younger than Llyod Rean is 18 in CS I and II Llyod is 19 in CS II

[@danhussano]

AT DELAY is the god of cheating

[@user-zp3dy8lv4q]

Indeed hate this mechanic it's just so broken that breaks the whole game. I mean what's the point if the opponent does not get a chance of attacking??

[@lighto5083]

@Heartless Angel Ketsueki I know I'm like a year late but have you considered simply not breaking the game mechanics? Like yeah, all that stuff is "nonsensical" but you can just choose not to do it lol

[@lighto5083]

​@Heartless Angel KetsuekiIt might be just the way I play but I never felt like I handicapped myself too hard. I played the game on hard and avoided stuff that looked too powerful (like Domination for example). It might just be me though

[@irjiiu1041]

@Heartless Angel Ketsueki and that's why trails in the sky is still my favorite game in trails series.

[@samib.1912]

Is this fight only on NG+ ?

[@thejonbrownshow8470]

You can stack Chrono break xD never knew

[@gtarules1]

7:33 >:)

[@kensonkingpin3269]

Thicccc

[@anwarshadaad1553]

man of culture

[@BlueKey962]

10:11 What is that song? I can't remember it for my life.

[@nagitona4941]

Christian Acosta from trails of cold steel 1's ost, machinery attack

[@user-ps4vy9sq8x]

"Blue Destination" It plays when Rean fights Crow.

[@renchikun]

Still stuck on first game, what the hell is happening?

[@NineLives99999]

if i have a nickel for every time a tonfa user fought a tachi user in the trails series, id have 3 nickels

[@Alpheus_09C]

guy and arios, lloyd and arios, lloyd and rean are these the three you talking about?

[@Spellweaver5]

@@Alpheus_09C but what about Juna and Rean?

[@Alpheus_09C]

@@Spellweaver5 so that makes 4, but if we count all the practice rounds they fought and the other times they fought that's quite a few more nickels

[@PrincessTwilightdash]

Thank god Rean doesn’t carry over your orbment or else I’ll be getting my ass kicked

[@viperakmal]

Wait... This is trails of cold steel 2, right?... Where does this episode part?

[@CodyWalsh87]

This episode starts after the events of the main game. :)

[@viperakmal]

@@CodyWalsh87 thanks... I just arrived at the point there myself last night... Hahahaha...

[@MentalOutlvl6]

I actually enjoyed it wasnt too friendship based in my opinion the friendship thing become overkill my friend will save me is just a bit much become strong so you dont have to depend on them instead of becoming dependent to bail your butt out I like this version of rean better he has a edge and I think if he stayed this way he could truly rival Cassius one day maybe that's why I like arios more as a character

[@Spellweaver5]

May I just complain about how Altina pronounces Claiomh Solais?

[@thejonbrownshow8470]

I would of liked Lloyd fight "ogered" rean to McBurn's theme personally 😂

[@sapphire3084]

You mean the Enforcers' SAV Theme from Sky?

[@thejonbrownshow8470]

@@sapphire3084 yes lol

[@thejonbrownshow8470]

Well I don't know the titles well but I associate the track with mcburn lol

[@FfblastBlogspot]

Wut? How

[@blackgamer8036]

How can I encounter this battle? anyone please tell me? thanks in advance...

[@TypeZeroB303Debirufi]

riel ochoa Finish CS2

[@videoseeker117]

No need to ask... Just play until this episode comes No need special walkthrough because this is part of the main game...

[@ethanhunter10]

You either die a hero.... Or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

[@DiogoJ1]

That's not really the case with Rean. He never did anything villainous, for he didn't help invade Crossbell, but rather repel Calvard for causing trouble in the annexed Crossbell.

[@user-ps4vy9sq8x]

How to beat then without casting chrono break?

[@lasrohapanjaitan2914]

You spam S-Craft and hope Altina doesn't fuck you over with Ragna Break. Works everytime. Don't forget to use Adamantine Shield because these two rarely use Arts against you and you should be fine. Conserve CP for S-Craft and spam it whenever you're able

[@pigifi]

For me, I just spammed Burning Heart buffed Brave Charge and True Falling Moon on them over and over. AT Delay, Seal and Faint is more than enough to turn them into punching bags without Chrono Break. Outside of a cheap attack because Altina came in first in the turn order, they never landed a second attack.

[@Romangelo]

So this event happened in Ao?

[@tidus1ph]

After 3 months after the final battle on CS2.

[@Romangelo]

I know that. My question is, is this event happened in Ao as well? I haven't played that game yet but I want to know if they fought Rean & Altina in that game too?

[@tidus1ph]

Of course not. That would spoil things in the Erebonia side if you consider the chronological order of being released with Ao in 2011 and CS 2 2014. It's like knowing who the characters and ending of CS2 3 years before it was released. The story of Ao ended once they took down the Azure tree. When I say ending, you get the ending credits once they saved KeA.

[@NeoSigma18]

No, Rean and Altina are not fought in Ao no Kiseki. Ao no Kiseki concludes quite a while before this point.

[@PrincessTwilightdash]

@@NeoSigma18AO basically conclude during the chapter where Rean And co sees the azure tree and it explain that it just vanished

[@dunnyfuad]

Is really cold steel 2.....in act how this scene😮??? I now playing act 2 chapter 1

[@GozetaZero]

U get it soon after the finale battle

[@sai35400]

Seriously i was happily surprised that rean is following orders and not being an emotionnal kid everytime. I hated him when he said to osborn why was he alive and that everything Crow did was for nothing and died in the end, for god's sake he was a terrorist leader in the story... just because he help you with a boss you can't forget everything

[@butler3251]

well he IS still a kid but a matured one, he just lost his friend and it makes him unstable, it's good enough that he stopped at yelling and not pulling his sword out lol

[@bimoprakoso2820]

And then it's explained that there are no the Real Villain and the Real Hero in Erebonia. Everything are gray unlike 2 arc before it.

[@butler3251]

@@bimoprakoso2820 Real hero is Rean and real villain would be Osborne, well, that how it is in CS 3 and 4 anyway.

[@bimoprakoso2820]

@@butler3251 guess what, I'm thinking something that Osborne isn't truly a villain and Rean also isn't feels like a hero. Osborne act like he is a Villain but actually have a Good Reason behind it and about the annexation of Crossbell isn't trully bad in my eyes. He is more like Anti-Villain. Rean in here shows that he never actually wanna be a hero, he just want to cure the darkness state of his that eventually make him likes to get dragged anywhere just so he can focus it on something else and won't hurt anyone. Different from Estelle and Lloyd, Rean is focused more on how to solve problems in a very calm way and try to not get to fight more than necessary. It's my impression on his action as it's really grounded even with the appearance of Cliché Anime Protagonist.

[@butler3251]

@@bimoprakoso2820 ok, so in your opinion, Rean isn't really a hero, nothing wrong about that I guess. But there is also an undeniable fact that the game calls him a hero because of his actions between cs2-cs3, he did a lot for the country in that period of time tho we didn't get to see it since it happens after cs2 and ends before cs3 starts.

[@shiraori9165]

harem mc vs harem mc

[@dansegful]

There is a plot hole, if overdrive was able for Rean and friends because they are awakeners why does Lloyd and Rixia? I'm happy they made a connection to Ao but they did it awfully, specially the reverie

[@timidalchemist8475]

dansegful its probably gonna be explained in sen 3 especially like how red gnosis wasn't explained in zero/ao no kiseki,falcom tends to use those bits and explained them in the 3rd game like how 3rd explained sky fc and sc plot threads.

[@oguzhangungor9117]

Overdrive can be used between Rean and Towa too tough. Honestly I think its more of a bonds and knowing each other thing.

[@canasnewell3089]

In Ao no Kiseki (one of the Crossbell games), I know that there is a mechanic called Burst that works very similarly in functionality. It could be a simple thing of it coming back. However, I don't know what causes burst in Ao as I haven't played it so this could a plot hole. Edit 7 months later: Burst is caused when there is high tension (plot wise) like at the end of a chapter. Eg, the mechanic is available for the entirety of the final chapter of Ao. Though it works very differently. 1. You need 4 alive members in the party. 2. It works for 8 turns. 3. Status regeneration works differently while under its effects. 4. Its even more op than overdrive lol.

[@canasnewell3089]

I'm pretty sure you're right Oguzhan, when Sara and Toval use Overdrive, they say that they are "using rean as a medium". However, this isn't possible for all characters. The only way to explain that is bonds between characters. (the only characters that do what I just said are Alisa and Sharon plus Sara and Toval)

[@AAhmou]

At least they don't have access to combicrafts...

[@sayyidabidin5508]

is this dlc ?

[@ravus9935]

No. This is a direct epilogue to CS2 that is found in all versions of the game.

[@robinolino7012]

I swear to god,english dub on this game really hurt my darn ears 😅

[@hirumayoichi8761]

I think Lyold is the best MC in LoH series

[@adilal-farsi7991]

2019: Nah, he is just too generic for me, I prefer estelle… Edit 2023: I changed my mind, he's the goat 🐐

[@coupdegrace2767]

Loyd is like beta version of Rean though, but then again, after four dedicated to his development games, half of which are biggest in the franchise, there are simply no MCs who could be correctly compared to Rean, except Kevin, because he is too original in regards to other "cast" and their trump card for Calvard arc.

[@nawee242]

@@coupdegrace2767 uhh..original? He's just another snowflakes character and pseudo self insert for player...and also needs 4 games and time skip to solve the problems in his game

[@appetizingly]

​@@nawee242 And the vast majority would disagree with you there. Rean is largely regarded as the best Kiseki protagonist and generally one of the best JRPG protagonists period. But yeah, it's not surprising that people with short attention spans would focus on the self insert nonsense just because of the romance options / harem spiel - and while he has the benefit of being a character developed over the course of 4 games, that's all part of the narrative after all. Have you even played the Cold Steel games? Obviously Rean and Co. took longer to "solve the problems in their game" because they're dealing with things on a considerably larger scale.

[@nawee242]

@@appetizingly nope Estelle is still more popular than him and he's got benefit with his games much easier to access than mcs from the previous arc and he gets 4 games+the upcoming epilogue for sen game. And yeah i've played all the sen games including 3&4...they just repeat the same structure with the same problem except with some new enemies.

[@buttertoast1146]

Uh blue destination is for rean and crow only 😩

[@allenofblacksteel9169]

I watched the video and I can say that this guy play a lot of NG+ run multiple time. maybe 4 times include credit transfer from easy -> normal -> hard -> nightware. the way I see with character can damage bosses like that. must be play too many run. this guy must have legendary equipments and assessories. level must be more than 150.

[@Sandehhhh]

I find it hard to believe you watched the video, considering that at the end of the battle it shows that Rixia and Lloyd are at level 135.

[@aduhaneh1057]

Crit + 50% str up. I think that's believable.

[@HoboCombat]

U dont even need to credit transfer, this part of the game is so ridiculously easy due to overdrive and their crafts. I did a no damage run in this fight even without chrono break Just have rixia spam her boomerang which usually faints after awhile. Get llyod to burning rage and spam his charge move(with impede quartz) If they ever get too far apart just havr rixia use her chain craft to bring em close together. Even if the enemies get a turn, they usually suffer from faint Broken af But i still love it

[@HoboCombat]

The only time i ever had a hard point playing nightmare was during the first fight with C in cold steel 1, the rest were all quite manageable, borderlining on easy even

[@katomamundara8106]

Funny thought rewatching this: Rean and Altina would hardcore lose most likely. Even with ogre power. Maybe even with Valimar. Sure, it isn't the full SSS, but we're speaking: Rean vs Lloyd, Lloyd who survived a full blown Septerrion-class entity. Altina vs Rixia, see above for Rixia. Ogre Rean vs Lloyd, who at best has fought McBurn when he wasn't trying, or his whole class vs the Vermillion Knight (whose power comes out to ~2/7ths of a Septerrion). Lloyd again fought a Septerrion AND the Lance maiden at this point. Valimar vs Lloyd/Rixia - Lloyd and the SSS fought a Septerrion empowered Aion, ON FOOT. We don't know how powerful that is, but it's powerful enough that canonically the same Aion (sans upgrades to work without a Septerrion) kicked Valimar's ass when paired with 2 of New Class 7's Soldats, WHILE NOT SEPTERRION EMPOWERED. It took a plot buff for Rean to win. Lloyd and crew outright smashed the Aion at its best. When you break it all down, Lloyd at this point has better feats than anything Rean has. Rixia too. Rean's overall achievements are quite frankly reliant on his whole class, Ogre Power, or Valimar, and the latter does not have a great track record vs Aions solo. Overall Rean eventually catches up to Lloyd I'd say by the end of CS4, maybe Hajimari. Cause let's be entirely honest: Rean relies on Valimar too much up until the end to do what Lloyd and Estelle's groups would do on foot.

[@lloydb5571]

this is what im searching for im excited for cs 4 cuz sss and estelle were there

[@MH_Zard]

I'd believe it if Rean wasn't holding back this entire time, and even Rixia herself stated they are no match for Ogre/Valimar. Llyod is mainly very tanky, determined cop with arguably better leadership skills and charisma. Rean has a deadlier fighting style, super powers, and can summon Valimar whenever he wants.

[@neopassnougear2948]

how ironic when you say it like that, Lloyd and rixia seems to won against that aion only because huge plot armor.

[@lighto5083]

You're saying that Rean is reliant on his class (consistent of people mostly weaker than him) but then completly ignoring that Lloyd had the help of a powerful jaeger, trained assassin and one of the dominion in all of the fights you mentioned. Not only that but the SSS didn't even beat Arianrhod or the Aion like you imply they did.

[@katomamundara8106]

@@lighto5083 They beat the Aion, full stop. They forced Dieter to have to activate the bond to the Septerrion to begin repairing the thing (which has been disabled by this point), and then he was kicked out of it by the sudden betrayal of the Conspiracy and Ouroboros. In short, they did enough damage to force it to rewind causality and force a recharge. See: kzbin.info/www/bejne/poauqoemmJl9hc0 You also got to remember that Lloyd was able to hold his own equal to Randy in many respects (held his own against Shirley and Testarossa's chainsaw better than even Randy did). Lloyd has plenty of feats under his belt as an individual at the least, so we shouldn't dismiss that. Also you got to remember, again, the SSS was 7 members big vs the Aion and Arianrhod (base 4, Rixia, Noel, and Wazy). Class 7 required 2 Panzers and a Divine Knight. They never once tried to fight those things themselves out of abject terror probably spawned as a result of their incident with that first Panzer Soldat back during CS1. So again, in terms of feats of busting mechs, we see Lloyd's team has always had more success than Class 7. Not only that, but again - they beat an Aion, on foot. We constantly see Lloyd compared as equal to the rest of his batch, wherein in CS, Rean is often put, without Ogre power, below Laura/Fie in combat ability, often by his own admission. There's other minor bits too. Like Rean and crew struggling to beat Duvalie when she was exhausted from fighting Lloyd and crew (even though she had the same Archaisms as her fight with Rean Co). Or the fact that it's noted by Rixia that Duvalie's actually trying against the SSS when she lost ("She's faster than me"), wherein Class 7 went full defensive when Duvalie started trying and went full speed and Olivier and Toval had to aide them. So yes, in Cold Steel 2, all feats point to Rean being weaker than Lloyd. Lloyd could face something Rean never even dared to (Aion). Lloyd could already take part in a battle to crack the Steel Maiden's helmet - something that Rean never did even years later with his Ogre Power (even if he couldn't control it at the time and was solo). Finally, Rean went on the defensive when Duvalie put her full effort out, but Lloyd and crew beat her at her full effort (as confirmed by Rixia). Maybe Ogre Rean could etch out ahead, but Rixia was already comparable to Duvalie (if slightly slower) during that time. And Duvalie was stronger than Altina, by far. Everything points to a win for Lloyd+Rixia vs Rean+Altina.

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