Train Car Switching Exercise #5 - A Lineville Lesson

[@cadetkohr5508]

Fascinating, I didn't think of separating the locomotives! Love your work, cheers from New Mexico!

[@killerbee6310]

Thank you!! It is about one degree out today - would love to be in New Mexico today.

[@RCAvhstape]

Through the magic of having 2 locomotives

[@paulpulver3877]

Continuing to answer questions I never knew to ask. Thank you for the stellar content!

[@killerbee6310]

Absolutely! Glad to proactively anticipate the questions you didn't know!!

[@paulbergen9114]

Thanks for the map regarding the industrial park and how that is their current routing to the CN and previously the CNW. Also a great photo of the train going under the old line to Wausau. Your story helps supplement the footage Jason had in the area as they tied up traffic in the area. Of course the wife is right as it's Whiz - con - sin. Just like Cheese Whiz

[@killerbee6310]

LOL - cheese Whiz - good analogy

[@brokenk5hl131]

I love this video describing this operation because this is how the Lafayette turn in colorado operates. This also inspires me to get creative with switching on model railroads.

[@killerbee6310]

Excellent. Glad you liked it and thank you for taking the time to comment. Got another switching one to make soon....

[@bobozo389]

E&LS seems to have very limited available sidings for switching purpose, along their entire line. At East Kingsford Michigan there used to be a small yard with run around capabilities. Because they removed it, they have to take Alter Metal cars all the way north and then back south, unless they uncouple multi locomotives and switch the way they do in this video. Thanks for the video!

[@killerbee6310]

And as always, thank you for watching and commenting Mr Kazoo!!

[@cdavid8139]

Not sure I get 'backed themselves into a corner'.

[@William-n1b]

Always interesting to see how the pro’s do it.

[@killerbee6310]

And every day is different - keeps them on their toes.

[@thefcflrailway2412]

Great stuff! Whatever I’m doing I drop it for a new Killerbee switching lesson.

[@killerbee6310]

I am honored. I've got another one to put together shortly.

[@railscanner]

Great video KB!

[@killerbee6310]

Well thank you very much.

[@CarolYannes]

Thank you for the video Killer Bee. Great looking and informative.

[@RandyStyczynski-sc1gi]

Another lesson and interesting information from KillerBee

[@killerbee6310]

I have a good team

[@jimikrentkowski4073]

Killer B you always have good videos. If you said Illinois wrong I wouldn’t care or Joliet. I appreciate you taking the time to explain runaround moves, switching cars, etc. Very informative. I like you to do a video on a train yard. All the classification tracks yard leads trainmaster yardmaster. And what really happens in a yard When a train arrives and departs and it gets switched. I’d like to see what you come up with my friend. Happy rail, Fanning keep up the good work.

[@killerbee6310]

That's not a bad idea. The only hinderance is I don't have access to the property like I once had, but let me ponder that idea....

[@coxsj]

Keep em coming. I always enjoy em!!

[@killerbee6310]

I will. I will !!

[@paulyosef7550]

always fun videos. I live in Wausau

[@killerbee6310]

Cool. Thanks for the watch and taking the time to comment.

[@TheNorthwestWind]

good information!!!!

[@killerbee6310]

Ahhh thank you very much.

[@rogerkujawastrains]

Great video. Thanks for the diagrams.

[@killerbee6310]

You bet. I hate when I am not familiar with an area and no maps are provided.

[@PacificEnterpriseNetwork]

Very interesting video.

[@killerbee6310]

Thank you for watching and commenting.

[@todd727300]

Now consider the moves for 501, 503 and the flat to get around the tank cars and continue south, leaving the tank cars in their current position when done. Pretty easy with only a couple more moves

[@killerbee6310]

Except....they don't continue south with the tank cars....

[@todd727300]

@@killerbee6310 Damn, how hard is it to understand the problem posed as an EXERCISE? Doesn't really matter what the prototype is actually doing. Also, the exercise I posed was to GET AROUND the tank cars and continue south with the southbound consist. I think the part where I said "LEAVE the tank cars in their current position" was pretty damn clear.

[@donaldswider3858]

Nice video.......can you do one on why the ELS comes off the rails so much seems like 1-2 times a month

[@killerbee6310]

LOL - not touching that one.

[@donaldswider3858]

@killerbee6310 uh oh🫣

[@cdavid8139]

@@killerbee6310 Wise decision. And not much to touch. It's a short line running with limited revenue. Nothing all that unique in North America.

[@donaldswider3858]

@killerbee6310 ELS off the rails this afternoon in downtown Iron Mountain 5 - 6 cars

[@Jleed989]

A related question. How do they control mid train DPU or pusher units when there is obviously no direct MU cable?

[@killerbee6310]

radio transmissions

[@EyeMWing]

Radio links.

[@ChristinaLarsen-dk1pe]

When do ya think watco will re open the Bradley sub that runs through rhinelander and ladysmith? Like a sudbury Ontario- ladysmith Wisconsin mixed freight? Lol!

[@killerbee6310]

whenever traffic will justify it. Which has to be more than logs....

[@ChristinaLarsen-dk1pe]

If they let Andy Mueller and the reading & northern railroad take over that whole corridor from Sudbury- Minneapolis, he'd probly have car load levels doubled between Sudbury and powers Michigan in 5 years. And have the section that is pried out in between ladysmith and Minneapolis re-election installed. But the class 1 rr's don't want anything like that to happen, that would be some unwanted competition on their behalf.

[@Jim-li9kz]

Great video, I always wondered how they made it work, also, how they service anything by Bond st when they have 25+ tank cars on the main at Lineville?

[@killerbee6310]

They have to swing them over to the trackage thru the industrial park to clear off the Bond St spur.

[@MK.5198]

So I've solved the puzzle _as described_ in fewer moves, but that ends w/ the string of 21 on the industrial spur, and with 501 at the rear of the 5 northbound cars. Is/are there some real life reason(s) you left out of the simplified version of the problem that makes the actual preformed moves preferable? Does the track the string of 21 is left on matter? Is there a good reason to have all of the units at the head of the train as it departs north?

[@MK.5198]

so looking at it again I think the major thing the real moves reduce is walking. there's a LOT of walking in my version of things if you only have one crew, that the real set of moves pretty deftly avoids. I knew there was something I was missing when I looked at the solution, but my brain was too stuck in video game mode to notice in the moment.

[@killerbee6310]

The industrial spur has to be kept clear because that is the running track to get to/from the CN yard. So the cars have to end up on the Bond St Spur. And the engines need to be together as they are not set up to be operated remotely.

[@tedfisk1211]

very interesting

[@killerbee6310]

Indeed!

[@nnov_tech_chan7891]

For me this is interesting. I am developing a videogame about trains, and there has to be an automatic railcar sorting kind of thing, i wonder if I ever do it right.

[@RockerSteve73]

How often do trains run on the E&LS?

[@killerbee6310]

M-F there are usually 3 crews working. Ideally 4 but not enough men at the moment.

[@Taaaarail]

I love this!

[@killerbee6310]

Yes, the response always pleases me.

[@NWFProductions]

Another Great Video. Now here's the real question, how do you do this procedure with 1 locomotive. Answer: Dangerously

[@EyeMWing]

Yeah. Basically either kick cars (which is almost assuredly a 'no' outside yard limits) or you're shoving through to somewhere civilized. Which is one of the reasons so many modern railroads basically always go out on the road in pairs.

[@killerbee6310]

You could do a drop to get the flatcar by, if you have three men.

[@beeble2003]

@@EyeMWing Requires a fly switch, not kicking. Kicking just saves time: anything you can do by kicking, you could also do keeping the cars coupled to the locomotive.

[@NWFProductions]

@@killerbee6310 Yes you could, I have seen this operation done, I more meant it as a joke than anything. Dutch Drops (Flying Switch) can be dangerous and can often lead to even more problems, or so Ive been told. I am sure you are well aware of the process to do this.

[@cdavid8139]

@@beeble2003 But not as quickly...........

[@bestfriendhank1424]

I think an educational video dedicated to everything you learned while attending the E. Hunter Harrison University is in order.

[@killerbee6310]

I still have the CD set from when I attended. So for just four easy payments of $29.99....

[@bestfriendhank1424]

@ CD? What’s a CD? 🤣

[@serioustoday]

CNW Chicago & North Western

[@seanimal_rex]

"who is from Wisconsin and who is never wrong" 😂

[@killerbee6310]

Interesting - I didn't mean it that way (as one thought). I meant it as two separate thoughts. LOL

[@notlisted-cl5ls]

i can do that in 4 moves. drop switch them things is where you start. just kick em hard enough so they do not run outta steam and stop at the fouling point and pin the power.

[@killerbee6310]

What isn't apparent in my video or map is you would have to drop them across a busy 4 lane road crossing

[@muddynmonte]

Would have been more efficient to power drop the flat into the spur.

[@killerbee6310]

Just before the switch the line crosses a busy 4 lane separated road. Some railroads have rules against dropping cars over grade crossings-not sure about ELS. Also they only have one ground man.

[@cmphighpower]

Rolling switch

[@KTS_85]

1.5x playback speed minimum

[@killerbee6310]

What?? You speed thru my videos?? LOL....