Train derailment at Garmisch-Partenkirchen: behind the headlines

[@furzkram]

You should actually DO that kind of refreshingly neutral reporting. I've been missing something like that for such a long time. Not every day or week - just when the need arises, and when you think it would be beneficial.

[@soundscape26]

Agree... there's a journalistic quality to Andrew's description of the facts from a neutral point of view. He will have his biases like everybody else but he kepts them concealed for the most part.

[@holger_p]

Who else is giving a non-neutral report, meaning blaming somebody ? Is anybody else claiming to know what happened ?

[@byghostlight0]

as interesting as this video goes, it is not reporting and the guy has no access to anything beyond what he saw on the news, so how it is you believe what he is saying is true or wise? No I am not criticizing the guy at all, (indeed he is not claiming to be any authority on it), im merely pointing that it is just weird how someone randomly came across his video and believed it enough, to demonising real reporters who do have first hand access.

[@jamatg]

Something about the three people being interrogated: A friend of me working at Deutsche Bahn told me that it's, as you said, routine to interrogate the driver, if available other train staff, someone from the infrastructure operator, and sometimes even more people from the involved railway companies. It is even done when someone commits suicide on the rails. Usually no one of them could have done anything to stop the accident and the interrogations are only done because the police etc. want to gather evidence.

[@DavidCiani]

I would describe it as them being "interviewed" rather than an "interrogated"... might be some nuance lost in translation.

[@Ruhrpottpatriot]

@@DavidCiani The term "interrogation" is the legally correct one in this case. In German law, everybody -- even the victim or witnesses -- are interrogated.

[@itzspeldrong]

Level-headed, concise, and informative. Thanks for the video Andrew. 👍

[@Toepferle]

I gotta say, at first I felt really uneasy seeing you making a video about this accident. But I have to say, the way you did it was extremely respectful towards those involved while also being professional in a way that many journalists could actually learn from. This was far better than any of the short videos from Das Erste or ZDF which I've seen so far!

[@Toepferle]

@Graf von Losinj Cause a lot of people do these kind of videos out of pure sensation, just for the drama. Which is very disrespectful towards all the people affected by the accident. I was hoping that this video wouldn't be one of these (and luckily, I was right).

[@rainerwaansinn]

Ich schreibe in meiner Muttersprache, Deutsch, und lasse den Text automatisch übersetzen (DeepL). Ich will meinen großen Respekt für Ihre unaufgeregte ernsthafte Art, über dieses ausgesprochen schwierige, tragische Geschehen zu berichten, zum Ausdruck bringen. Bravo, Mr. Bossom! I am writing in my mother tongue, German, and have the text translated automatically (DeepL). I want to express my great respect for your unagitated, serious way of reporting this extremely difficult, tragic event. Bravo, Mr. Bossom!

[@sirati9770]

Der Herr ist mittlerweile deutscher Staatsbürger 😉

[@slartybartfarst55]

Thank you for this balanced, thoughtful explanation. We need more reporting like this.

[@JumpingCookie95]

Train accident in Eschede, Lower Saxony took place 24 years ago at the very same date

[@NicolaW72]

Yes, coincidentely.

[@davidcook1226]

Was that the ICE train that lost part of the wheel?

[@truckerallikatuk]

Remembering that even with emergency brakes applied, a 70t locomotive will take longer to stop than any passenger carriage, the driver could have done everything right, and still had the accident happen. Trains take a while to slow down significantly, it's usually measured in KM. I am very sad to hear about an accident of this magnitude on the usually excellent DB. My condolences to the injured and all relatives.

[@furzkram]

The locomotive would have been braking first and more than any of the carriages, HAD the driver initiated it. In case some wheel set on the front half of the train derailed, it needs some seconds before a detection by any kind of sensors and circuitry triggered an emergency brake reaction and motor interruption. And that obviously happened, else the damage would have been even wilder.

[@velarod3961]

@@furzkram What is your source on that?

[@thomasgabler3476]

Those double decker coaches weigh about 50 tons, so there's not that much of a difference to the 83t locomotive. Also the pushing force of the loco is almost nothing compared to the train's inertia.

[@kaymeinhold]

@@furzkram Yes, inertia of a train then braking is critical factor in most accidents.

[@kaymeinhold]

@@thomasgabler3476 But we have not only inertia and the engine in this case. In a push configuration it is inertia and the engine against the brake. In a pull configuration only the inertia of the following coaches is applied and a not braking engine applies a force partial negating the brake.

[@GameCyborgCh]

it's a miracle that there were only 5 casualties. A train derailing at about 100km/h could have ended much worse

[@thetj8243]

100 km/h was the maximum allowed at this point of the track. usually train schedules are set to require at least 10-15% less speed than the maximum allowed. so if the train wasn't already delayed it's more reasonable to consider it was travelling around 80-90 km/h

[@fhs7838]

At the same day, China has a High speed train derailed also at mountainous area. When the last speed showed before PIS power cut off, it is 163km/h. And only driver was killed

[@GameCyborgCh]

@@fhs7838 HOW

[@fhs7838]

​@@GameCyborgCh As long as survival zone isnt compromised, it is not that easy to kill anyone. Also even that crash happened on bridge, but the bumper prevent the train from falling off the bridge. The whole train was kept on bridge, sliding, crashing lots of poles (that's how driver was killed), but over all, not much damage.

[@LudusArtifex]

danke das eine kompetente person so ein video macht.

[@LinzWolf]

Thank you so much for doing a video on this. It’s been difficult to find reputable sources to learn about this. I used to live in Garmisch-Partenkirchen so this hits close to home.

[@eisikater1584]

Andrew, me being an Eisenbahn enthusiast and having lived in upper Bavaria for some time, I felt as shocked as you when I read this news. Everyone understood the tragedy at Enschede, it was a high-speed train with the wrong set of wheels, but who would have thought that a local choo-choo could ever derail? I've heard that they have some high class investigtors in, including the Eisenbahnbundesamt and the attorney general, so they really don't take that easy. Despite of this accident at Garmisch, I didn't cancel my traveling plans with Deutsche Bahn which will lead me to Nürnberg and Munich this June. However, I can understand some of my friends who say they thought it over and use their car. It's not rational, but we humans aren't rational beings at all, and images like these: They say, men don't cry. I'm not ashamed to admit that I did.

[@DenzelPF31]

Wow, because of one train derailing (5 deaths) taking the car (still about 3000 deaths per year in several thousands of accidents)... That really is one heck of an irrational decision 😅 Reminds me of those people that rather risk getting COVID instead of taking the jab... Which is a little bit of another story though.

[@bahnspotterEU]

The ICE derailment was in Eschede, Enschede is in the Netherlands.

[@jossdeiboss]

The way you covered this is at a level that many so-called-professionals can not even come near. Great video! Subscribed!

[@frankangermann6460]

When rewboss explains better what is goin on than any clips on KZbin or newspaper headlines…..Thank u….

[@titusmagnuseinuniversumaus6354]

Wort des Tages: Unschuldsvermutung.

[@MHG1023]

I like it that you felt the urge to clarify something thats commonly overlooked by media: The fact that the public prosecutor will - automatically - be tasked with an investigation as soon as there´s an injured or even fatally injured person due to an accident. That is not limited to railways - it´s the same with road traffic or any other damage causing injuries to a person. So, the fact that there is an investigation by the public prosecutor does - not - imply any guilt to any party. The public prosecutor is just responsible to investigate whether there has been any negligence/deliberate act/etc.

[@madhadder3838]

10 months later, are there any updates on this? Will there be an "Update" Video?

[@lohphat]

Keep in mind that rail and air travel accidents are EXCEEDINGLY RARE for a reason: regulation and automation. If you consider the road traffic deaths per year you wouldn't get in a car again.....but you do. These are sensational because they are so rare.

[@davidty2006]

Hmmm. Trains are pretty much most safe. Since when they do wreck theres a high chance of Survival. Compared to planes were everyone inside just dies and cars get squished and everyone inside dies. Theres always quite a few survivors from train wrecks.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

@@davidty2006 "and cars get squished and everyone inside dies." working years in EMS I came across only ONE single fatal traffic accident so far ...

[@soundscape26]

@@davidty2006 Planes yes, barely any chance of survival, cars depend on the severity of the crash... you are only accounting for major crashes, most people don't die in simple car crashes.

[@NicolaW72]

Indeed. But in the rare cases which are happening they can cause much more fatalities at once.

[@IroAppe]

It's amazing that we only have 5 dead people from that incident. If I were among them, I would say yeah, that's life. You can die everywhere with everything. The chance is just so low. So after decades we have 5 people dead again, with so many trains and passengers operating tightly every day. I would view that as a success. Of course reasoning doesn't always take out the fear. I am often riding an RE, and I also felt a bit strange after the accident. However we have to learn again that it is not any problem and with time it will just be forgotten that this can even happen in everyday purposes. And this is just the right thing, since the chances are so low. We have to live with everything in that way, not assuming that we could die from something, because otherwise we would be unable to live life at all.

[@UnnormaI]

I have a feeling there are multiple things that went wrong in that situation. Coincidentaly it happened exactly 24 years after the Eschede incident too.

[@ObiWahnKnobi]

I'm afraid I need some clarification: How does an event decades earlier an accident more or less tragic?

[@UnnormaI]

Poor choice of words on my part. I meant to say that this event happening on the same date a few decades later is a sad coincidence.

[@stephanweinberger]

@@UnnormaI If you have enough accidents over a span of decades it's actually not even a coincidence. It is almost certain, that there was an accident somewhere on any day of the year.

[@stephanweinberger]

Also worth pointing out: reports on rail accidents (and even just incidents) are in fact published in full by the BEU ("Bundesstelle für Eisenbahnunfalluntersuchung"). Note though, that those investigations often take months, sometimes years before a final, conclusive report is available. Most European countries have similar investigating bodies that publish the results of their work.

[@shagohodred2464]

In light of that recent accident my girlfriend showed a documentary about Eschede to me. Train accidents are harrowing. Sad to see 5 people killed... We'll have to wait and see what the investigation brings.

[@witerabid]

I wish reporters took some inspiration from your "news" videos and stopped making only the most provocative headlines from as little actual information as possible... Thank you for what you do! I know videos like this one probably aren't your favorite topics to cover but I really much prefer getting my information in this way to watching German TV or reading German newspapers.

[@davianthule2035]

Rewboss, I dont think anyone will mind if this becomes a train channel

[@ingovb6155]

Danke für die klare und informative Zusammenfassung. Es wäre toll, wenn Sie ein Follow-Up dazu machen könnten sobald die Untersuchungen Ergebnisse zeigen.

[@MervynPartin]

That was how to present a report. For a news reporter to stress what is actually known and what is not known makes a wonderful change from the poor news presentations on the BBC and in the tabloid press. Thank you.

[@martinyfelix]

Thank you for providing the information in such a proper way, very informatively and delicately put

[@BlueCubeSociety]

Rewboss name-dropping Füssen is the closest he has come to my location so far

[@paulkurilecz4209]

Great video and wonderful presentation of facts and explanations.

[@thelegotechnicchannel1256]

Very impressed how good this video is!

[@tompoleet7665]

Very informative. Thank You! 👍🏻

[@MhLiMz]

Thank you for this sincere report. To omit the outro makes it even more serious.

[@SonnyGreiner]

Sehr gut erklärt. Auch der Hinweis auf die Vorgehensweise der deutschen Justiz war sehr gut erklärt. Daumen hoch...

[@strafrag1]

Very well delivered by you. Thanks.

[@andreasmaier7603]

Vielen Dank für diese sachliche Darstellung. Das hebt sich wohltuend von der Darstellung der Welt ab, in der die drei Bahnmitarbeiter als „Beschuldigte“ dargestellt werden (und wo auch wohlweislich keine Kommentare zugelassen werden)

[@libertysika5856]

Great info

[@toddpence8537]

Excellent update - any idea when that track line will open up?

[@ObiWahnKnobi]

Probably not for at least a week.

[@gerardjlaw]

It sounds similar to an accident on the Edinburgh-Glasgow line in 1984. A train with the locomotive at the rear hit a cow at 130km/hr and was derailed, killing 13 people.

[@ppd3bw]

Derailments will always happen. Rarely, but hard to avoid completely. I'd suggest to focus upon minimizing the catastrophic effects. A guard rail (Fangschiene, Wikipedia) is a proven method to prevent a railcar from leaving it's supposed path too far and turn over. It might be considered to install one in such crucial sections, where steep slopes or obstacles are next to the rail, especially on the outside of curves. It seems the heaviest and fatal destruction to the double-deck cars was done by hitting a mast oft the overhead power line.

[@gerardjlaw]

@@ppd3bw Exactly. Trains are a very safe way to travel.

[@zuyvox]

I sat in a traffic jam on june 3th. and heard it on the radio and my first thought was: wait... there was another big train accident on the third of june in 1998...

[@kaycwtchmahoney2940]

Garmisch-Partenkirchen also had a train accident a Glass train in 1995

[@PWBERRETT]

Interesting to note that there was another major accident at Garmisch-Paryenkirchen in 1995 killing 1. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garmisch-Partenkirchen_train_collision

[@NicolaW72]

Thank you very much for picking this tragic accident up! The investigation will indeed have to perform a systematical scientific research of what exactly happened - and hopefully the results will be publicly discussed when they´re available. It´s basically the same as with aircraft accidents.

[@steeneugenpoulsen8174]

IF the train derailed because the track was out of alignment, then that means the maintenance schedule is broken and not being performed often enough to stop this kind of accidents, so that would mean that maintenance was overdue, it doesn't matter what the schedule say.

[@Cadcare]

Neither the BBC nor the ABC in Australia featured this deadly train disaster.

[@moestrei]

I saw it on the ABC app. Greetings from Coonabarabran.

[@modtwentyeight]

Very neutral and informative. Thank you.

[@xaiano794]

I'm afraid your educated guess is almost certainly wrong. This type of stock cannot operate with the locomotive pushing and the front carriage stopped, indeed the most likely cause was a failure of the chassis or (more likely) the track itself which caused the center coach to become derailed. While most would believe a bad rail to cause the front coach to become derailed, that simply isn't the case as the oscillation of the first carriage going over rough track will be passed along to the coach behind, amplifying the effect of the rail defect. Drivers can run over defects and barely feel them while train staff at the back get thrown around. The defect would have thrown the second, third and fourth carriages off and the emergency brakes would have applied as soon as the contacts ensuring continuity were severed which would have slowed the train enough to prevent the final coach coming off.

[@Lilifors]

I worked in Farchant and Oberau for geological engineering projects. The soil is really bad in that area of the valley. The top soil consist of a thin layer of gravel but is almost always followed by meters of very plastic, wet clay and silt layers. A company asked me why they had to condense the soil for buildings and loading areas while Deutsche Bahn didn't. I shrugged my shoulders and replied ask your government. I have never seen a railway service as privileged as the german Deutsche Bahn. They got their own engineering departments and rarely have to get a second opinion when they plan stuff and their company leaders are former politcians. Sounds not very trustworthy to me. Unthinkable in Switzerland.

[@gaedingar9791]

Thanks for your report. I was somewhere in rural Germany for the weekend and therefore only limited access to the internet and news. Since I am back in civilization, I have struggled to find a neutral rsummarization of the happenings at the other side of the country.

[@tong.clement]

RIP to the victims RIP to the teenage victim

[@prazakkk]

I've literally ridden a bus around the place and I didn't know it was so bad

[@kikiorr9630]

Nicely done, Andrew. American daily network news aggravates the hell out me lately so I haven't been watching. Therefore I hadn't yet heard of this event.

[@tomclifton1607]

I wonder why otherwise modern continental loco-hauled passenger coaches continue to use buffers with hook and chain (screw) couplings? For many decades UK practice has been to use Buckeye or other automatic couplers on passenger stock (though not most 1st generation DMUs), which offer more rigidity and reduce problems like telescoping and over-riding, when compared to screw and other chain-type couplings.

[@Giruno56]

I wouldn't mind if this channel were turned into one about trains...

[@soundscape26]

Andrew is a multifaceted guy, he would feel quite constrained if he only talked about trains.

[@eldrago19]

"It's not my intention to turn this channel into one about trains" Me (having only watched videos about trains on it): You're too late mate.

[@soundscape26]

Such an unfortunate incident... and on the day of another tragic event in Berlin. RIP to the victims of both. Side linguistic note... wasn't expecting to hear "coach" for the train carriages, thought this word applied to buses only. Something new then.

[@Moulwurf]

Learned that word as well from this. Gonna remember that, since I find it to be much more elegant than the alternatives.

[@davidty2006]

They got tons of names, Wagons, Cars, Coaches, Carriages.

[@davidjones332]

Experience shows that, all other things being equal, train formations like this, with a driving van trailer leading and the locomotive at the rear, tend to perform less well in a derailment than trains with the loco leading, just because of the sheer concentration of weight in the loco. It will be interesting to see the results of the enquiry.

[@holger_p]

In a very unlikely szenario like a derailment, things are not optimized to "perform well". More modern options are under-floor engines on each car anyway. They are just not strong enough for double-deckers yet.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

@@holger_p "They are just not strong enough for double-deckers yet." uhm ... there are double decker trains with that kind of under floor engines already, as there's no locomotive at either end

[@holger_p]

@@EnjoyFirefighting ok, yes there are some of these newer IC if I remember right.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

@@holger_p not only those, but also regional express trains are based on probably the same kind of train model - saying that not being a train expert

[@simonm1447]

@@EnjoyFirefighting Trains with underfloor engines spread over the whole train have become more common the last decades, also because of the switch towards inverter controlled asynchronous motors in western Germany since the early 1980s. This specific train however was built by Waggonbau Görlitz, a former East German train car manufacturer later took over by Bombardier (today owned by Alstom). There have been no inverter controlled trains in GDR, so the earlier batches of their cars built after the reunification used a conventional loco delivered by Bombardier. Conventional cars offer the advantage of more flexibility, while a so called multiple unit train can't be coupled with one or 2 more cars, you typically just couple one unit or two whole units

[@franzfred7511]

forget about the things in the media. They have no idea as almost. it wasnt the driver, it wasnt the track manager, it wasnt the track. Have a nice one.

[@chfi135]

Neueste Informationen erhärten den Verdacht, dass es ein schaden bei den Gleisen/Unterbau gab. Also DB Infrastruktur und nicht Rollmaterial oder Lokführer.

[@simonm1447]

Ein Bruch des Radreifens (wie in Eschede, ICE 884) kann ausgeschlossen werden, da Bombardier Dostos Monoblock Räder verwenden. Auf eingleisigen Strecken gibt es zudem natürlich keine Weichen.

[@jamesalles139]

I am here for Trains! tragic, though. thanks

[@wernerschulte6245]

Thank you for the video. We all want to believe train on of the most safe transporting system. Hopefully they will check it out. In my view it could be possible, that the track sank sidewards to the river - but this is speculation, as you told.

[@ticnatz]

That crash happened almost literally in my backyard. I was by there yesterday. The locomotive and last passenger car were still there. The investigation continues, of course. Your video seems to have been made in my backyard as well. Close to the Christophorusschule in Farchant. Only speculation on my part....

[@rewboss]

Ha ha -- no, I'm at the opposite end of Bavaria, near Aschaffenburg.

[@timlandscheidt]

One minor nitpick: While the type of train is used as regional express (RE) elsewhere in Germany, this particular line is called "RB 6" ("regional train"?). One major issue: IMHO it is quite premature to assume that the front coach derailed first or the middle coaches got pushed off the tracks or down the hill by the locomotive; they weigh about 50 t each, and at 100 km/h that is a lot of energy on its own. The locomotive "only" weighs about 85 t. So I would recommend keeping an open mind about the accident sequence.

[@rewboss]

This particular line is route number 5504, timetable number 960. It carries RB, RE and some IC trains (and, at its northern end, S-Bahn) services. I can't remember where I read it, but some reports did say it was an RE train (which would have had the line number RE61); however, other reports agree that it was train number 59458, which is indeed an RB train, scheduled to depart Garmisch-Partenkirchen at 12:07. It's confusing, because RB trains generally terminate where the S-Bahn begins, but this one continues all the way into Munich. Regarding the physics, remember that if the first coach comes to a stop, it's not just the mass of the locomotive you have to take into account: it's also the mass of the other four coaches (which at that point are also on the rails), plus the extra energy being supplied by the engine of the locomotive. As I said in the video, this is speculation, but it's the most logical explanation for how the middle coaches were forced off the rails. This is a common issue with push configuration in rail accidents. In the Selby rail crash of 2001, a train in push configuration hit a vehicle on the tracks and was deflected into the path of an oncoming train: investigators concluded that the severity of the accident was increased because even after the derailment the locomotive continued to push the train forwards.

[@timlandscheidt]

@@rewboss Maybe, but in Selby it was reasonably clear that the train derailed first at the front after striking the intruding vehicle. In Garmisch-Partenkirchen, it has not been (publicly) established which coach derailed first, neither has it been reported whether the engine produced thrust at the time of the accident.

[@NicolaW72]

@@rewboss Thank you very much for this additional informations!👍

[@trainpuns2]

I have another theory, if the sun was shining down on the track a lot it could create a buckle in the track. This can lead to a severe derailment.

[@rewboss]

That's not "another" theory, just a possible cause for the first coach to derail -- which is pure speculation at this point. While rails can buckle, they shouldn't have done so here. The temperature that day was about 30°C -- hot, but not as hot as it can get in the summer -- and tracks are designed to withstand higher temperatures than that. They are built so that the rails can expand without buckling, and those tracks were laid a couple of years ago and have survived hotter weather than this.

[@trainpuns2]

@@rewboss I see, I still think the derailment has something to do with poor track maintenance or possibly something wrong with one of the wheels or trucks on the train that may have caused the shape of the track to change and causing a derailment, but you did say that the train came to a stop, correct?

[@rewboss]

@@trainpuns2 Since the investigators have reportedly ruled out sabotage and human error, there's only technical defect left, which is almost certainly going to be either the wheels or the track. If the front of the train derailed, it certainly must have decelerated quickly -- it wouldn't have got very far with the wheels digging into the ballast. As I said in the video, this part's just an educated guess, but it makes sense of the way the coaches came to a rest.

[@trainpuns2]

@@rewboss Seems likely to me, the coaches are in a somewhat Z shape after all.

[@johndavies1090]

@@rewboss That answers a question I was going to ask. My grandfather was a platelayer on the LMS, so I grew up knowing about possible summer heat problems. Having ridden the Hollentalbahn and Schwartzwaldbahn which employ similar trains, the incident caught my eye when it appeared on the BBC European news. Sad.

[@RWernsing]

So sad

[@tld8102]

it’s odd the DB uses this sort of train configuration. why not just have the double decker coaches powered? like a multiple unit?

[@rewboss]

I suspect that's because the lower deck is much lower than a single-decker coach is, so there's no room for the engine.

[@stephanweinberger]

It's a fairly standard configuration in Europe. The big advantage of coaches over multiple units is flexibility. EMUs are usually a fixed unit. It would be much too expensive to have completely independent vehicles, so typically all the equipment to power the motors (pantograph, transformer, engine control, ...) is distributed between the cars. Hence if anything breaks it usually means that the whole unit has to be taken out of service. With a conventional train you just swap out a single car or the locomotive.

[@stephanweinberger]

@@rewboss well there are double-deck EMUs available on the market, but those have their own drawbacks. Mainly lack of flexibility, as they always operate as a whole unit.

[@denzzlinga]

Why would you do this if you already have tons of Locomotives and only need to buy new coaches? The class 111 locomotive used on this train was built in the 70s and early 80s for express passenger trains. That are now long gone in favor of ICE trainsets. So the 111 locos continued to be used for regional trains, with the double deck coaches that were built in the late 90s and early 2000s. And since they had the coaches, they bought some new class 146 locos in the 2000s, and more double deck coaches to replace the aging standard coaches. So it's basically an endless string of "we still got" and "we only need to replace" that kept them using Locomotives and coaches.

[@christopherhood2426]

Oh my god, I used to work in nearby Oberammergau and would catch that train from Murnau to Munich every weekend

[@blackyellowred2000]

We couldn't care less of your stupid story ! This as nothing to do with what happened !

[@sirebhan7324]

Great pronounciation!

[@jasperedwards2713]

was is it 9 eur ticket cause this

[@fish.967]

no? this would have happend without the ticket too.

[@AggrarFarmer]

Derailment there was many several cases in Germany with no vissieble reasons.

[@kaymeinhold]

I guess we will have to wait for the official investigation. In my opionion they have also to look for a brake malfunction at the front and the security of the push configuration. The engine driver at the front had no means to recognize any danger in time. After the derailment it was impossible to stop without further damage to the train and the passengers. The big question is if even the derailment was result of the engine pushing braking coaches of the track and if a pull configuration would have prevented any accident at all. They will find it and trains in the future will become safer. Regarding the security of the push configuration it will be observed with diligence because of the common usage of pushing engines.

[@thebamplayer]

Do trains in Germany even have a system installed that detects derailments? I know that in the US such a system is installed on cargo trains.

[@kaymeinhold]

@@thebamplayer Do you have any information about it? Afaik there is only some development in Europe for a system to detect a derailment. There were some derailments in the past without a detected derailment. Most infamous the derailment of the ICE at Eschwege. But in most cases the derailed train was able to stop without deforming the coaches.

[@GaryCameron780]

The push / pull set up is part of the problem. Most of the North American railroads prefer not to do that.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

it's not a problem at all ... 50% of this train's trips are done by the locomotive pushing the train, it's plain normal operation all across the country. The reason for the derailment was not how the train itself was set up, but a material quality and maintenance issue on the track itself: concrete ties had horizontal cracks from side to side

[@itryen7632]

🌹

[@lamegaming9835]

please make your channel purely about trains

[@PWBERRETT]

Maybe there is room for a specific Rewboss on Rails channel? Alternate name - The man in seat 62.

[@soundscape26]

That would be quite boring tbh

[@zocki_live3662]

Kenste Spunktkpunkt noch? weiss nicht ob ich dich das schonmal gefragt habe, aber sicher ist sicher

[@aguli5509]

I was just there

[@Arsenic71]

At least they were killed in an accident, not by an assault rifle in a mass shooting.

[@davidty2006]

And a majority are only just injured and alive.

[@Roastbeef01]

A loco pushing a train seems wrong somehow.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

however in reality there's nothing wrong about it

[@knownothing5518]

Embrace transit youtube 🤧🤣

[@nyteelive]

What does the two ukrainian victims have to do with that? Why did you mention them? It has absolutely nothing to do with this case

[@user-kx7ls8ds9j]

Alright video. But from the title I was surprised to see it this early and expected more “behind the headlines[/scenes]”. This just felt like “yeah, the text below the headlines, an article or TV news report” - nothing special. Which is fine for the channel. Just an interesting title imo

[@PikalaxALT]

It sounds like an unforeseen fault in the brake line caused the cab car brakes to suddenly lose pressure in an isolated manner, causing them in turn to apply while no other carriages nor the locomotive experienced a brake application. Wouldn't be surprised if this ends up being a conclusion from this investigation.

[@Playmobil-wl4dp]

First - sorry for my bad English skills, Im a native German speaker :D So to your comment: That couldnt be like this. All coaches and the locomotive are connected by the air brake. You cant only brake with the "Steuerwagen" (first car in this setup) - you can, but then the driver does an big mistake, because its not allowed to use the direct brake/locomotive brake (in German: Direkte Bremse/Zusatzbremse). And when the air brake werent attached between the coaches and the locomotive, than the driver has ignored this because he wouldnt even get the braking power that such an coach setup normally have. That would mean, he has done an other big mistake. So I hope there werent many mistakes and you could understood this Text :D Greetings

[@miaozhu8748]

The cab is the very last vehicle in the train. The derailed vehicles seem like still been pushed forward after they derailed. That means that the derailment has nothing to do with cab car braking.

[@denzzlinga]

Even if this happens, it is super unlikely to derail a train like this. Of course everything will bump into each other, but trains are designed to take that a mount of slack. With freight trains for example it's totally normal to use only the Locomotives brakes, and just let the wagons bang into the Loco to get slowed down.

[@Killerspieler0815]

likely the rails were bad , they were sheduled for mayor rework before this happened ( => this nearly happened in "Blankenloch" (nearly desaster) the same way, a craked rail was not repaired due to soon rail replacement , but the rain of complaints of residents forced DB to react and weld the crack) ... & there was very bad weather weeks before ... or the boogies were bad like in Eschede

[@simonm1447]

This type of Train (Bombardier Dosto) uses monoblock wheels. There is no railway tire mounted on the wheel.

[@miaozhu8748]

Root cause of derailment mode: retarder mode or vehicle interaction mode. Not the rail , I think.

[@twitertaker]

Just as is irrelevant when news anchors say that Germans died, it is as irrevelant to say that Ukraine refugees died. Is the life of an Ukraine refugee more worth than the life of an Ukraine that did not flee? Or that of Afghan refugee? Or that of a German? Is it more tragic if Danylo dies than the death of Peter? No it isn't, I really wish these phrases declaring the nation of people that just tragically died would end.

[@dinola3268]

Concrete-cancer?

[@Alan_Watkin]

BUT I LIKE TRAINS

[@doctorsosig6631]

Great video, but why does it matter that 2 Ukrainians were in a multi-wagon double-decker train in Germany?

[@NicolaW72]

Because there´s a war in Ukraine and they were refugees who came to Germany for survival and they were killed by this accident in the country in which they came to survive. Therefore.

[@rewboss]

It's just particularly poignant: they to escape a war, only to be killed in the place where they had sought refuge. They were both mothers who had their children with them; those children are now in a foreign country, their fathers fighting a war, and their mothers dead.

[@NicolaW72]

@@rewboss Yes, exactly.

[@Ricy013]

good ukraines are mentioned separatly, obviously they are different people it these days *ironie off*

[@georgecurtis6463]

Pushing a train never made sense to me. Pull a saw, it stays straight. Push a saw and it tends to bend or buckle. That against a curve with natural resistance and you are just setting yourself for failure at some point. Yes, there is more to come. Sad.

[@ObiWahnKnobi]

A saw encounters (compared to the mass) a LOT more resistance than a train. It is also a lot lighter. Of course there is a resistance - that's why every vehicle on rail has a minimal safe curve radius (with a safety buffer of course). And also the speed is reduced for particularly sharp curves - as was the case here. It's not that this a problem that was never thought of - it has been done for well over a century.

[@lonestarr1490]

It doesn't have to make sense to you. It has to make sense to the engineers who know how that stuff works.

[@georgecurtis6463]

@@lonestarr1490 and of course, engineers never make mistakes. My bil is an engineer, mostly structural and he has stories that would make your hair stand up !

[@subway8448]

@@georgecurtis6463 trains have been operating push pull for a few decades now, many even at high speed. the suspicion that a train behaves differently when pushed vs when pulled was disproven by BREL in the research leading up to the Intercity 225 trainsets

[@georgecurtis6463]

@@subway8448 true. But not everything lasts forever. It's just a thought based on practical experiances. Hey, even on my toy train set the train would derail if pushed from the rear. Anyway, I'm leaving this as it is till the findings come out.

[@JimnyVR5]

Routine procedure that tells us nothing... welcome to Germany

[@dfolt]

He is absolutely right, and it is nothing that is specific of Germany. Because people have died, the prosecution office with territorial competence will have to open an investigation, also in order to collect evidence, e.g. by seizing the train and other material evidence. And because this is a procedural routine, its mentioning in the news is somewhat phoney because to the non-knowledgable reader/spectator it implies that those responsible have already been identified.

[@petercollingwood4108]

You said nothing as to why it derailed. Click bait.

[@rewboss]

I never promised to say why it derailed. I promised to tell you what we know so far, in more detail and more accurately than the headlines.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

they found out that some of the concrete ties had horizontal cracks

[@bencehun8820]

Pov:woman drive