Traitor or Hero? The Black Musician Who Spied on His Own Community

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@curtisthomas2670
@curtisthomas2670 Жыл бұрын
The practice of labeling citizens who speak out against the nation's injustices and inequalities as unpatriotic still occurs today
@charlesyoung1908
@charlesyoung1908 Жыл бұрын
HELLO ! 📢
@3katfox
@3katfox Жыл бұрын
It's the American way.
@user-iy7lk7ig4h
@user-iy7lk7ig4h Жыл бұрын
Do you think that the US should implement "hate speech" laws?
@robertridley9279
@robertridley9279 Жыл бұрын
​@user-iy7lk7ig4h yes we need to get rid of the myth that "hate speech is free speech," while also making sure that speaking out against anti-black racism is not mislabeled as "hate speech."
@vladtheimpala5532
@vladtheimpala5532 Жыл бұрын
@@user-iy7lk7ig4h No
@brotherkareem181
@brotherkareem181 Жыл бұрын
The sad part about this story is this is only one out of many that we know about. Imagine the ones they have around us today that we don’t know about.
@rickysampson8759
@rickysampson8759 Жыл бұрын
You already know another traitor to black people. The dnc. You went from a group of people who idolize web Dubois to some woman talking about her wap. This is your culture. Obama did more to harm black people than slavery
@thatgrlkiy
@thatgrlkiy Жыл бұрын
It’s many. Some are in our face as “entertainers” and actors. These ratchet rappers and raunchy women. They sell us out in more ways than we know
@MrGksarathy
@MrGksarathy 9 ай бұрын
Do they really need to do this now? They're already spying on all of us through our devices.
@joechapman8208
@joechapman8208 Жыл бұрын
Hypothetically, to your question: maybe he was in an impossible situation, once he had been asked. I don't really see how his work achieved anything positive for Black people in the USA or the UK. His report made its way up the chain of command... but for what? White supremacy knew what it had to do for peace, and it refused to do it. The chain of command didn't care about improving Black people's lives, and was only looking for ways to lie effectively and maintain its dominance: to give away the very least it possibly could.
@Renaissance_Man1800
@Renaissance_Man1800 Жыл бұрын
He wasn’t complex. He was self serving, and smart enough to know a comfortable roof over his head.
@willia3r
@willia3r Жыл бұрын
Sounds like U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. He started out as a black revolutionary and then when that kept him poor and jobless he immediately flipped to the other side and became a hardcore conservative.
@MrVariant
@MrVariant Жыл бұрын
@@willia3rexplains a lot with basic needs. Which yeah, people get jaded past when wage bills/reparations are overdue.
@willia3r
@willia3r Жыл бұрын
@@MrVariant it’s sad though, but I guess 🇺🇸Amerikkka is inherently set up for economic cannibalism.
@HannibalAfricanus
@HannibalAfricanus Жыл бұрын
This guy was both a traitor & a coward who made black people docile and asleep to their own oppression which allowed it to carry on for a few more decades. Sickening.
@kungfukenny1540
@kungfukenny1540 Жыл бұрын
Man was a expert rat
@willia3r
@willia3r Жыл бұрын
He’s just one man. He didn’t have that much power. There were many others who spied and were informants on behalf of the U.S. Government. Besides that, black people were never going to be given rights anyways until the U.S. Government and the elite power structure allowed it. White liberals and White conservatives were both racist and played the _”good cop/bad cop”_ game to basically keep black folks in a perpetually entrapped traumatized state of existence. Which maintain the racial caste system.
@Codi892
@Codi892 Жыл бұрын
Just like Jay Z is today
@brianfitch5469
@brianfitch5469 11 ай бұрын
I see both sides of it yes he clearly was a traitor to his people and went to live in the Philippines after. He also probably saved the lives of alot of blacks. A full on white on black civil war wouldnt have gone well for blacks it still wouldnt today. As it would be easy to fully encircle certain areas of towns and wait for them to starve or come out and get shot. He would have watched his own people be truly slaughtered not the 20 or 30 during riots. But would have been many thousands at a time. There was no good ending either way until societies attitudes changed on justice. It makes you wonder how many today are doing the same thing he did. It seems like things are coming full circle. People are starting to call for segregated areas again.
@JayPleezer304
@JayPleezer304 7 ай бұрын
@@Codi892 maaan whaaaat? shut that goofy ass shit up...smh
@Raja-bz4yw
@Raja-bz4yw Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣😅🤣 hero yeah right. He was looking out for himself. Those racists used him and he let them.
@freelancejoel
@freelancejoel Жыл бұрын
Hi, I just wanted to point out that I specifically *didn't* call him a hero. I think he's in a gray area. At the time it was really clear that any radical departures from the status quo could trigger mass racial violence against black communities. So while the A. Philip Randolphs and Chandler Owens of the world may have been *morally* right, it's totally understandable for someone who witnessed what Loving witnessed to opt for the harm reduction option. Not wrong or right. Just understandable.
@Raja-bz4yw
@Raja-bz4yw Жыл бұрын
@@freelancejoel I know you didn't. And unfortunately, anything against the status quo in regards to the black community produces racist violent attacks towards black people or their properties today still. I personally just don't agree with what he did. I'm aware in your assessment you didn't call him a hero. I was personally saying he wasn't. Sure he may have done some damage control in some ways but others I feel like he still damaged and hurt the black communities trying to get equality. I do also feel as if he was protecting himself too which isn't bad per se but but still. He was a part of the system he apparently hated and would've in my opinion probably done more good if he used the system to help the black community.. idk how that would've been since I obviously wasn't born during that period something could've been done to help save more innocent black lives.
@freelancejoel
@freelancejoel Жыл бұрын
@@Raja-bz4yw I gotcha. Thank you for explaining your perspective.
@malirabbit6228
@malirabbit6228 Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the manner in which you both addressed your issues! Y’all were Civil, courteous and respectful of one another! Please live long and prosper 🖖!
@jso6790
@jso6790 Жыл бұрын
Wow! What an amazing story. I had never heard of Loving and his life was extraordinary. What is interesting, of course, is that the US government seems to have largely ignored Loving's advice, which is why the Communist Party- USA and American Communist Party ended up being the main civil rights advocates for African-Americans in the 1930s, fighting the fights that Roosevelt was unwilling to take on. There were even those Alabama sharecroppers who migrated to the Soviet Union to help create the cotton industry in Uzbekistan. That probably would not have happened ,if the US government had just just provided the Fair Deal the FIRST Roosevelt promised and included them in the New Deal his cousin FDR implemented. Please keep up the great work and amazing content.
@LTPottenger
@LTPottenger Жыл бұрын
Roosevelt's whole goal was to pervert these movements. Huey Long conveniently died just in time for him to run for office. Instead of taxing corporations as Long intended, he taxed the middle class instead.
@ShiningSta18486
@ShiningSta18486 Жыл бұрын
wouldve happened regardless and im glad it did
@jainorissolney6669
@jainorissolney6669 Жыл бұрын
African Americans didn't exist in the 1930s. We were called Colored after we agree to change to that title from the term Indian. Calling yourself African is an act of war against the American Indian. We are the Indians they said died off. We are the landowners they're trying to kill.
@emilyjacobus3319
@emilyjacobus3319 Жыл бұрын
PBS is just top quality content, thanks guys keep it up
@lorrainemarez9965
@lorrainemarez9965 Жыл бұрын
Beware….PBS is Republican Owned so doubt check your facts before decision making! 💙⚖️🇺🇸
@Southern_charmer
@Southern_charmer Жыл бұрын
Propaganda Broadcasting System.
@TheGenerationGapPodcast
@TheGenerationGapPodcast Жыл бұрын
Fake news
@frederickdouglass3275
@frederickdouglass3275 Жыл бұрын
More of us agree with you than the fools tryna hate on you
@ligegeorge
@ligegeorge Жыл бұрын
Outstanding! Thank you for presenting this unknown bit of history. In school we are taught how America is always the good guy. Freedom, justice opportunity are words that are often thrown about. When it comes to African Americans our story is complicated because those things were denied to us equally. Black history is being openly erased in Florida and Tennessee. We are a very divided nation we cant come together unless every community is valued not just white folks.
@brotherkareem181
@brotherkareem181 Жыл бұрын
Every community is valued except Black folks.
@slashz8
@slashz8 Жыл бұрын
White folks really shouldn’t be shouldn’t have the rights they do racism and guns are currently rights they have speech and arms should be for pocs only
@akken2112
@akken2112 Жыл бұрын
There's a fine line between "accepting the gray area" and being an opportunist.
@darth_dacheus7319
@darth_dacheus7319 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! I'm loving this rogue history series, very cool idea! I think Loving was indeed, complicated, but also brilliant. He walked a very fine line, and ultimately tipped the scale away from U.S military force being used on Black Americans. He walked the "grey area" btwn patriot and community member/public figure. He still aided writers and news publishers, while ensuring Black communities were not seen as a threat to U.S security. A shame his story ended tragically, in war. I am honored to have learned his story. Thanks Joel, W.Cole, and the whole team!
@borky101
@borky101 Жыл бұрын
He protected the status quo, that's for sure. And sometimes freedom and justice isn't handed on silver plate, there has to be a struggle. I think the story of ths 'steel chair' in these last few weeks taught us that.
@ambulocetusnatans
@ambulocetusnatans Жыл бұрын
Loyalty must be earned, it can't be demanded.
@donaldwestley3735
@donaldwestley3735 Жыл бұрын
It also can be 🔥 burned. And. Remanded..what u have the leverage. The power to negotiate understandin...Rezpect
@robertortiz-wilson1588
@robertortiz-wilson1588 11 ай бұрын
Wrong, some loyalty comes with birth and higher moral obligation. To what degree depends on the relationship back though.
@ambulocetusnatans
@ambulocetusnatans 11 ай бұрын
@@robertortiz-wilson1588 I strongly disagree. You can make any assertion you want, but if you want me to agree with you, then must provide *convincing* evidence of that assertion.
@robertortiz-wilson1588
@robertortiz-wilson1588 11 ай бұрын
@@ambulocetusnatans you made a claim first. Give your evidence.
@ambulocetusnatans
@ambulocetusnatans 11 ай бұрын
@@robertortiz-wilson1588 You are trying to convince me, I don't give a shit whether I convince you. This is the important distinction.
@frillo4th
@frillo4th Жыл бұрын
What he did was disgraceful no matter how you frame it.
@jayrogan1835
@jayrogan1835 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately necessary at a time where the government would ease black cities to the ground for just doing well. It’s an all too common theme for the American government to lock minorities up into camps and genocide them if they found even the slightest hint of treasonous talk.
@Tristan11406
@Tristan11406 Жыл бұрын
💯💯💯💯💯
@fireandsharpobjects
@fireandsharpobjects Жыл бұрын
Been waiting for Cook to come back with more pirate stories, but spy stories are awesome too! I just hope the wait isn't as long between episodes, keep up the great work!
@quitefrankly6815
@quitefrankly6815 Жыл бұрын
His loyalty did nothing to stop the suffering of African Americans during this period. The lynchings, Tulsa Massacre, Ocoee Massacre and the many others still took place. The problem lies with the USA. African Americans have been the most loyal. They fought in wars and still had to come back to discrimination. The fight against their type of treatment continues to this day.
@ByrdieFae
@ByrdieFae Жыл бұрын
Oh HELL no. Eff this guy. "Complex" and "gray area" are just excuses. He can't have those when he knew what he was doing.
@donaldwestley3735
@donaldwestley3735 Жыл бұрын
Ya...we be squeakin...
@donaldwestley3735
@donaldwestley3735 Жыл бұрын
Sucka sneakin..
@imayeseekay
@imayeseekay Жыл бұрын
Nah, he's a sell-out. And he managed to turn other men into sell-outs. He worked inside the system & for the system. He didn't seem to be an asset for Black people at all.
@glennhubbard5008
@glennhubbard5008 Жыл бұрын
We are beginning to experience this today and it is getting worse.
@k1ll3rkoala
@k1ll3rkoala Жыл бұрын
forget Oppenheimer, I want a movie about this guy!
@JVH3
@JVH3 Жыл бұрын
Damn that movie was long 😂
@gsuperd1
@gsuperd1 Жыл бұрын
That was a absolutely outstanding presentation and very well researched! 10/10 on this one!
@rickthompson72-4
@rickthompson72-4 Жыл бұрын
I truly have mixed feelings about this man 🫤🫤🫤🫤
@freelancejoel
@freelancejoel Жыл бұрын
Me too. 🙃
@analyticalmindset
@analyticalmindset Жыл бұрын
No mixed feelings. He was a sellout to class solidarity
@troywest1724
@troywest1724 Жыл бұрын
He was probably Boule. There is a book called Our Kind of People by Lawrence Otis Graham that highlights a segment of our community that sold us out for “white” acceptance.
@Shadowbannddiscourse
@Shadowbannddiscourse Жыл бұрын
​@@analyticalmindset I was thinking the same thing man he's a total Boot lickr and a traitor
@tjalliemicheaux3719
@tjalliemicheaux3719 Жыл бұрын
@@analyticalmindset exactly
@LilGreatWalltv
@LilGreatWalltv Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a serving and complacent tool for the powers that be, to the point where his demise was a simple Footnote that was classified for decades. He went how he lived under the control of the state
@chalgoode6449
@chalgoode6449 Жыл бұрын
A glorified traitor is STILL a traitor
@AmaniLindsey
@AmaniLindsey Жыл бұрын
Great content and no he is written in my book as a traitor but we must remember his story.
@XxThePlaylistxX
@XxThePlaylistxX Жыл бұрын
When you read up on the history of this time period it's hard to even comprehend the level of violence being perpetrated against black people. It's the kind of grotesque and abhorrent stories you'd expect to hear coming out of a Nazi Death Camp or a medieval torture chamber, and that's not an exaggeration at all. I can't imagine being a black person surviving through this time period and the kind of trauma they had to experience. I can easily see the perspective of many who had seen too much violence and wanted to avoid it at all costs. It's one thing to want change and its another to ask someone to lay down their lives, and possibly the lives of their family and loved ones, for that change to happen. Les miserables may have glorified armed revolution for some of you, but in most cases, its mostly innocent people who end up dying caught in the crossfire and the results are almost never what people expect them to be. So the expectation of some people that everyone should have just revolted against the government is incredibly selfish and narcissistic. While I dont agree with his role in spying and colluding against black social advocates, he was a product of his time and his environment. Anti-communist propaganda was rampant across the world at this time, Imperialism was common and relatively accepted by imperialist countries, and he was in the military. It's easy to see how anyone in that time period could have held the same views on patriotism and what was considered to be "anti-american" speech. It's very easy to get caught up in the rhetoric of the time period which you live in. Not everyone has to be morally perfect for us to acknowledge or appreciate their positive contributions to society.
@blackpalacemusic
@blackpalacemusic Жыл бұрын
He was sold a rotted bale of goods, that perpetuated the oppression of his people for another 100 years.
@th3rdeyeopen
@th3rdeyeopen Жыл бұрын
We all need to be reminded of that time in history. It feels like it's about to be repeated soon! Are there spies in our community now to placate us like Loving? Did he think, "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em?" I'd definitely go see this movie if it was made!
@brandonburns5365
@brandonburns5365 Жыл бұрын
The mental gymnastics here is crazy 😅
@rbggwapo
@rbggwapo Жыл бұрын
​@@brandonburns5365INSANE
@TheApolloBlu
@TheApolloBlu Жыл бұрын
Great video. Loving was a terrible human being. He was a traitor and his actions alone set us back decades.
@Rhythmicons
@Rhythmicons Жыл бұрын
Mary Talusan Lacanlale's work on the Philippine Constabulary Band is worth reading as well.
@crypto_que
@crypto_que Жыл бұрын
I’m a third generation combat veteran. You’d be surprised that telling black Americans that Nationalism serves us no purpose is viewed as radical in 2023. Every benefit, & any modicum of justice served for black people in America has been the result of progressive policies. Each of those policies during their time was viewed as radical. So no what you said regarding our patriotism wasn’t surprising.
@eyesofpicasso
@eyesofpicasso Жыл бұрын
You make a good point, sir. But, like, come on, did he change much? Did his superiors respect his criticism? He was, after all, a black, and an informant
@DianeKovacs
@DianeKovacs Жыл бұрын
Is he one of Clarence Thomas' uncles?
@mrfitz96
@mrfitz96 Жыл бұрын
Living in the grey area. Who would choose such a role when they are often dismissed as feckless opportunists or traitors. Such people can be crucial to achieving resolution in polarised societies but history is not kind to them and they often end up disgraced or worse dead.
@comradee2637
@comradee2637 Жыл бұрын
This man became the prototype that the U.S gov used on MLK and Malcolm X
@willia3r
@willia3r Жыл бұрын
W.E.B. Dubois ratted out Marcus Garvey. And got Garvey prosecuted by the early version of the FBI/U.S. Department of Justice and deported.
@adilrasheed5295
@adilrasheed5295 Жыл бұрын
MLK and Malcolm X WERE both government agents.
@DarkPesco
@DarkPesco Жыл бұрын
I don't agree with the mission of the government nor the mission the government gave him. However...he seemed like a smart spy!
@morebirdsandroses
@morebirdsandroses Жыл бұрын
But .... he seems to have cleared up that little fantasy that Blacks were commie spies, and sent back answer to the government," No they/we _are not_"
@Flakjacket96
@Flakjacket96 Жыл бұрын
Why? His mission was to prevent a bloody insurrection and interference from foreign spies.
@almaarnold7332
@almaarnold7332 Жыл бұрын
No he did not. His people trusted that they could trust their people since they were all being oppressed. This man decided to help keep them in their place and for the most part alive rather than fight for their rights as people.
@JohnWick-gl6mw
@JohnWick-gl6mw Жыл бұрын
He's more like an opportunist and coward !
@juice6494
@juice6494 Жыл бұрын
This is a great series!
@malirabbit6228
@malirabbit6228 Жыл бұрын
Scripture says that a man can NOT serve two masters. He will one and hate the other. So which one did Loving hate and vice versa?
@TheGenerationGapPodcast
@TheGenerationGapPodcast Жыл бұрын
The one who was feeding him, giving the office, and flying him between countries
@UMVELINQANGI
@UMVELINQANGI Жыл бұрын
Some members of the Black community might refer to this gentleman as a particular kind of animal, a small mammal. You know which one. This is not a complement.
@feelin_fine
@feelin_fine Жыл бұрын
I love learning about complex individuals, but at the end of the day, socialists like A. Philip Randolph were key figures in the civil rights movement and not Soviet-style Communists. Loving lacked foresight, at the very least, about the cost of his actions for his community.
@christophersamuels3782
@christophersamuels3782 Жыл бұрын
People like him are who took down Marcus Garvey. No matter how one cuts this cake , I have no respect for a traitor to his race.
@mannyfrencha5736
@mannyfrencha5736 Жыл бұрын
Sooooo, he could almost be classified as "The Spook Who Sat by The Door.🤔" Interesting story that's new to my ears and eyes
@brandonburns5365
@brandonburns5365 11 ай бұрын
Not even close😅
@marvinhagler4721
@marvinhagler4721 Жыл бұрын
These type of black males work right beside YOU now, let alone on this individuals level
@sophiabogle2130
@sophiabogle2130 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding 🎉.. more stories like this please … he definitely deserves a metal .. for embarrassing the gray area !!!! Well said !!
@jasonmiller3509
@jasonmiller3509 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! I love this kind of information.
@TheGenerationGapPodcast
@TheGenerationGapPodcast Жыл бұрын
Why??
@alimerhi5531
@alimerhi5531 Жыл бұрын
Great video. He half served his community and betrayed them at the same time
@Messiah_Black
@Messiah_Black Жыл бұрын
He played music in the military. He didn’t serve shit for anyone😒…
@placesandspaces3489
@placesandspaces3489 Жыл бұрын
Definitely a traitor. Anyone who betrays their own race, for any reason is a traitor. If you're not happy about what is going on with your people you should talk to them about it before selling them out to the enemy.
@Doomroar
@Doomroar Жыл бұрын
Centrism only helps those that are already in power
@DreamPierre
@DreamPierre 10 ай бұрын
I think/know that you are on to something.I will help get the word out and help bring more change. God bless us all who come to Him Jira...He protects us during this Revelation.
@Millionsofpeas
@Millionsofpeas Жыл бұрын
He doesn't seem that complicated. His good deeds were written on paper. His bad deeds were written in blood. The man was a traitor.
@freelancejoel
@freelancejoel Жыл бұрын
When you say "bad deeds written in blood" what exactly are you referring to?
@vandagylon2885
@vandagylon2885 Жыл бұрын
​@@freelancejoel The implication is that people died due to his choices, wether intentional or not.
@chanson8508
@chanson8508 Жыл бұрын
One of the most interesting of these that ive heard so far 👌🏾
@treynelson4946
@treynelson4946 Жыл бұрын
We could never understand why they did what they did, what they fully did, and how it truly affected lives then and today.
@Ancusohm
@Ancusohm Жыл бұрын
Another great video!
@windlessoriginals1150
@windlessoriginals1150 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Love Rogue History.
@FranklinWilson-ev9dq
@FranklinWilson-ev9dq Жыл бұрын
A TOM, BY ANY OTHER NAME, IS STILL, A TOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@MichaelRWright
@MichaelRWright Жыл бұрын
Liked and Subscribed.
@selwatchesyt
@selwatchesyt Жыл бұрын
Don’t seem like a hero to me. Besides snitching on a few people & having them locked up, what impact did his work have on the well-being of the Black community?
@kungfukenny1540
@kungfukenny1540 Жыл бұрын
He 100% a rat
@sknmwms6516
@sknmwms6516 Жыл бұрын
Just like ERNEST WHITHERS! HE DESERVES NO HONOR OR RESPECT! THIS WHY WE CANNOT GET AHEAD!
@hoos3014
@hoos3014 Жыл бұрын
And William O'Neal, wrt to Fred Hampton's murder.
@wanderfull5829
@wanderfull5829 Жыл бұрын
I hope there is punishment in the afterlife and that he, and those like him, receive the harshest consequences. Forever.
@Tigercam24
@Tigercam24 Жыл бұрын
Indubitably
@nekkidnora
@nekkidnora Жыл бұрын
This is fascinating, and really makes you have to twist your head around to grasp his point of view, but it does make sense? It's just... so rarely discussed.
@patriceesela5000
@patriceesela5000 Жыл бұрын
Wow...no words. I'm sure this is still gping on today
@michaelmitchell5098
@michaelmitchell5098 Жыл бұрын
See how easy it is to turn one of us against the rest?
@anthonyjohnson9403
@anthonyjohnson9403 Жыл бұрын
There is no such thing as a crime committed by black people against America. Anything we do falls under the heading of retribution
@RankinMsP
@RankinMsP Жыл бұрын
'Complex' he sold out. He could have said no. Even at the opportunity of a better life, he sold out his own. We see these circumstances today and Clarence Thomas and Tim Scott say hello.
@itorca
@itorca Жыл бұрын
I remember when the black panther attacked a military outpost and took weapons from the army then had a few shoot outs with polic. Urban murders also increased as some of these weapons were sold or distributed through segergated neighborhoods. Black americans are usually targeted for militant propaganda and recruited to for gangs and domestic terrorism. Whch is why the push ending segregation and equal legal rights and standards was such a beneficial part. Unfortunately some militant groups are still active and participants in violent or intimidating actions against other citizens.
@hughgoffinet5418
@hughgoffinet5418 Жыл бұрын
Great video Joel! Thank you for the nuance and just… *sparkle* you always bring :) What a complicated human being. I may not agree with everything, but I can at least understand HIM and why he did what he did. There’s always that grey area people exist in. I understand him trying to do what he could to get our community to at least survive as he saw best. Tough burden… I dont envy him.
@DeloresCorley
@DeloresCorley Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@VetsrisAuguste
@VetsrisAuguste Жыл бұрын
Good or bad, the “gray area” is where everything important really happens. Nothing is ever as clear cut as we would like.
@SolomonsKey1110
@SolomonsKey1110 10 ай бұрын
Good Research Sir. ❤
@EarlWallaceNYC
@EarlWallaceNYC Жыл бұрын
Great analysis. Thanks
@KillerDoc42
@KillerDoc42 Жыл бұрын
I can really understand if someone called him a sellout. I mean it really seem that way.
@ronaldboykin9755
@ronaldboykin9755 11 ай бұрын
The same thing is happening today right in our faces! It’s called the police!
@robertbohnaker9898
@robertbohnaker9898 11 ай бұрын
Fascinating…history revealed. Loving walked a very narrow line to help his race and served the country he loved.
@stevengreen9536
@stevengreen9536 Жыл бұрын
This is a complicated tale to be sure. However it is written that a man can not serve two masters. Chances are we have some people like him today hiding in plain sight. But they do not have the black communities interest at heart like he did.
@charlesyoung1908
@charlesyoung1908 Жыл бұрын
Supreme Court Justice **Clarence Thomas**
@stevengreen9536
@stevengreen9536 Жыл бұрын
@@charlesyoung1908 That sell out serves one master. I just pray he gets busted on the current scandal he is in.
@charlesyoung1908
@charlesyoung1908 Жыл бұрын
@@stevengreen9536 Sounds to me like he serves SEVERAL. There are a host of multi-millionaires who have tricked on he & that beastly wife of his !
@brandonburns5365
@brandonburns5365 11 ай бұрын
​@@stevengreen9536and this dude served one master. What evidence was presented that he also gave Intel to the black community like he did the government
@stevengreen9536
@stevengreen9536 11 ай бұрын
@@brandonburns5365 I am highly skeptical he passed any intel to the black community for two reasons. First if the government found out he had gone double agent back then he would have been disposed of period. Second whom exactly in the black community would he have shared said intel with?
@Sumiya-lp8mm
@Sumiya-lp8mm Жыл бұрын
Josephine Baker was put in the same precarious situation in WW2.
@imeakpan
@imeakpan Жыл бұрын
To whom did his report go to at the top. And what did those at the top do with that information, if anything was done?
@rickthompson72-4
@rickthompson72-4 Жыл бұрын
But keep up the good content 👊🏽✊🏽👊🏽✊🏽
@kevindunkley6974
@kevindunkley6974 10 ай бұрын
Using deception to bring change is still evil to some of us and can cause great harm when done with selfish intentions
@kyleeagle8889
@kyleeagle8889 Жыл бұрын
Great segment.
@EthelByrd-fj4pl
@EthelByrd-fj4pl Жыл бұрын
Interesting story!!!! A lot more stories that was never reported or heard of from their view in time😢😢😢😢😢
@Kap3lka
@Kap3lka Жыл бұрын
It's probably easy for me to talk, but I can't sympathise with him. He basically urged "his" people to sit and give paw to massa. F{_}ck that!
@donpeters9849
@donpeters9849 Жыл бұрын
Excellent telling
@almaarnold7332
@almaarnold7332 Жыл бұрын
This man was a straight up traitor. He was one who would have stayed a slave forever. He would have been one of the slaves not seeing themselves at war with their so called owner(no man can truly own a man). The white man , who is the dominant controller at this time and has been for some time, has taught us to keep our position and most likely survive and many of us has bought this idea. True revolution requires the shedding of blood. White people have demonstrated this over and over again. They fought to take the sovereign America from the British. They fought one another in the North and south civil war to govern themselves as they saw fit. Blood shed was a plenty. This man put his life on the line for a country that saw him and his people as no ones and all that entailed. He came back from war, ironically fighting to make others free and saw the situation and opted to be persuaded that it was better to survive in his servile position than to stand up like a man and insist he be treated like one with all that entailed. Marching has bought small changes but that threat of retaliation is what white people have listened to. Enslaved people were no longer willing to allow themselves to be kept in their place under the threat of death or brutality. They were disrupting slavery with many uprisings. When you are trying to control this amount of peopl you need the people to consent to their oppression. They saw that the black people were no longer willing to just march and be brutalised. They saw they were willing to fight back and die if necessary. They knew they had to make significant offers to effectively shut down the civil rights movement and they did. This man was a coward not a saver of his people. He colluded with his enemy and recruited others to do so. Black people are this way world over. This is why we are seen as fools they can use and abuse always.
@BrandochGarage
@BrandochGarage Жыл бұрын
Very Interesting!!
@frankwhite8530
@frankwhite8530 Жыл бұрын
Still going on today! "Pay Attention"
@dominichoward4833
@dominichoward4833 Жыл бұрын
People like him are why we stuck today
@robertortiz-wilson1588
@robertortiz-wilson1588 11 ай бұрын
The man was incredible! A great American!
@Themaddprof
@Themaddprof Жыл бұрын
A history documentary on You Tube in 2023 with balance, nuance, and context. Much respect.
@TheGenerationGapPodcast
@TheGenerationGapPodcast Жыл бұрын
It was not balanced. The slant was that his selling out of his own people were to be understood because not selling out your own for money was hard. This pbs talking head is similar to this sellout.
@CoTheboxer
@CoTheboxer Жыл бұрын
America’s hero Black America’s villain
@robertlucas7268
@robertlucas7268 Жыл бұрын
If you read his final declassified report before he resigned you will see he condemned the government for lack of action and a warning that of they didn’t stop the atrocities taking place more riots and uprisings would occur. Also as one of the few black military leaders he was an American first and fought and died for his country. Well done!
@brandonburns5365
@brandonburns5365 11 ай бұрын
You can't be serious. Him condemning the government doesn't erase the fact that he spied on his own people.
@ZEBEEtheoriginal
@ZEBEEtheoriginal Жыл бұрын
ICE CUBE, SNOOP, DRE, KANYE.... HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF
@sarahwatts7152
@sarahwatts7152 Жыл бұрын
He worked in a grey area, making his actions morally grey. I'm not sure that he did what was right, but I can imagine that if you didn't know what was going to happen, you could be persuaded to do these types of things. Respectability politics over more radical activism
@blacksun6245
@blacksun6245 Жыл бұрын
Nah the man was sell out
@jacobv3396
@jacobv3396 Жыл бұрын
While we may be more willing to accept grey areas in fiction, Americans seem more resistant to viewing history other than through a black-and-white lens. Just my observation.
@freelancejoel
@freelancejoel Жыл бұрын
That's true. But I think in this context, it reflects the stakes. It's totally understandable that a person like Walter Loving would frustrate marginalized people right now.
@williamharris5957
@williamharris5957 10 ай бұрын
Just say PBS it explains it all!
@janetdesmith8125
@janetdesmith8125 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating! How did aquire this information .
@TheReader19
@TheReader19 Жыл бұрын
He said released government files; I'm sure
@sikazwejerry4620
@sikazwejerry4620 Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@kuukeli
@kuukeli Жыл бұрын
thank you for the video
@preciousblackstone5051
@preciousblackstone5051 Жыл бұрын
Great story! Very interesting man.
@Rina-wv4ek
@Rina-wv4ek Жыл бұрын
He lived his whole Life on his knees for da White man till his last breath.
@Pottery4Life
@Pottery4Life Жыл бұрын
Letting you know in the comments below. Great ep!
@chalgoode6449
@chalgoode6449 Жыл бұрын
He understood that advancing his career prospects was contingent upon his ability to pander and service white imperialist factions. He was a sellout. No amount of deflection from that fact can change the implications of his actions in this reality
@FBAsolutions7532
@FBAsolutions7532 Жыл бұрын
Traitors will be the first i take out in a war.
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