TRAITOR PRIMARCHS - Ruinous Monarchs | Warhammer 40k Lore

[@inquisitorgarza312]

The Traitors Primarchs were legendary for the amount of destruction they brought against the Imperium and even after ten thousand years since the Imperium hasn’t recovered from the Horus Heresy, and what worse is that they are still alive and much more powerful for they serve the Ruinous Powers for their eternal war against each other and the Emperor.

[@no-nonseplayer6612]

Only legion that has truly been at war wiht imperium has been Alpha Legion

[@marksharp3990]

Magnus more was pushed than fell.

[@fotherphrogg]

The only reason they got anything done in the Heresy was Perturabo. He was the only traitor primarch that actually kept his $hit together.

[@briantalmage2041]

Dude what are you smoking. Cause I want some of that. Conrad couldn't even carry Corvus's nutsack. Especially now that he is some sort of uncorrupted demon prince tearing through the warp after Lorgar and all the rest living traitor primarchs and their legions! Sevatar is the only intriguing character that came from Corvas's legion and they killed him off when he was getting the most intresting!

[@johnbryce1175]

He eats raw meat and makes little gore puppets tho It’s just gross, idk what he can do this man is distasteful

[@v02max75]

Perturabo humbled Fulgrim.....yeah, you can say that again. Smashed his face to bits, and took immediate command of his Legion. "And yet, I am the one who is holding the hammer." Baller Perty. #fulgrimsuuuuuucks

[@zerotwoeto3123]

Tbh fulgrim, was caught of guard.....perty wouldn't be able to beat fulgrim in a 1v1, Ferrus himself said fulgrim was as ferocious and deadly as Vulkan and Russ.

[@morningstarlink]

@@zerotwoeto3123 people seem to forget that fulgrim was a master swordsman, perturabo wouldn't win against fulgrim in a fair fight. Hell fulgrim wouldn't even be corrupted by chaos if he only let go of that alien snake blade.

[@Banthisyoutube-zs6sx]

Fulgrim sucks and the emperor's children suck. The first time we meet them in the HH novels they are getting nom nom'd by a bunch of bugs.

[@danmarusan2878]

The only good thing Perturabo ever did.

[@AliceBowie]

Fulgrim is WH40K Griffith, and Perturabo is Guts. Well, he's like if Guts used the behelit to become an apostle. Maybe 40K Griffith is the Emperor, and the Horus Heresy was his Eclipse, and the Imperium is his Falconia.

[@snifferdawg3607]

I like Magnus the most I think. I like the concept of him trying to do the most good for his father but then being forced to join Chaos. Its so tragic and I feel it's relatable. Truly, no good deed goes unpunished in the world of 40k.

[@sebulller]

Magnus was arrogant. Take hes first captain the sorcoror known as Ahzek Ahriman the very same as Magnus... you should defo read the books than. Magnus after Nikya was well had to be sanctioned cause he freaking made Demons come to terra... Than we have so many other things... He was arrogant and a fool... He even got a chance more from the Emperor cause the tried to break into the throne room itself! yet he had to sacrifice hes entire legion cause they where lost! But he could have choosen to do so... insted he fell to chaos cause he was a fool... Ahzek Ahriman is a splitting imiage of magnus in their personality... wich is rather hillarious. eavrything Magnus did was to Disobey the Emperor time and time again. Than we have Ahzek Ahriman who did exactly the same thing. I wonder why they get along so well.

[@theophiledumont3291]

​@@sebulller Hello, so your portrayal of magnus is a bit lacking nuance. Put the shoes of magnus for a second. He learns of the incoming betrayal of horus. What do you do ? Wait till that happens ? Send a message throught normal means that most likely will never reach the emperor that his favorite son has betrayed him ? No you got fucking power just like your father you use them to show all that it is usefull and save the galaxy. For the scene when the emperor gives a second chance to magnus you miss the entire point. How cruel of a father must you be to tell your son to sacrifice his own to regain your place ? Furthermore sons that he gifter magnus ... that magnus saved from the flesh change at the price of his own left eye . The very sons that are the last memory of your homeworld that you father doomed by sending leeman russ (yes he was tricked by horus but magnus doesn't know that) No you fucking refuse this abusive father who destroyed your dreams, banned your people and censored your planet ! Truth is magnus was playing by tzeentch strings all along. And the emperor wasn't smart enought to outplay tzeentch. Magnus isn't to blame the emperor is. He created a psychic legion and forbid them to use their power. He didn't tell magnus of the chaos gods the only one who could very possibly meet them and was the easiest to corrupt. He sent the bitter enemy of magnus to get him to terra. He didn't listen to magnus when he used his power to inform the emperor. He used malcador to provoke magnus twice. In essence the thousand sons didn't betrayed the emperor, the emperor betrayed magnus and the thousand sons. Do i need to mention that magnus was supposed to be a battery for the webway project. So to conclude magnus was wrong and made many mistake but in truth the emperor is equally if not more responsible than him and is a cruel abusive father to magnus.

[@phazoneatermetroid77]

Magnus did nothing wrong?

[@sebulller]

@@phazoneatermetroid77 bit he was sooo wrong

[@Battouga]

@@phazoneatermetroid77 It's such a stupid meme at this point, Magnus having good intentions doesn't absolve him from wrongful doing. Magnus did wrong, in his arrogance he thought he knew best. Ironically the most "right" thing Magnus did was not to sacrifice his sons to absolve himself from his own actions.

[@slickgoku2466]

I honesty fell asleep and somehow woke up on this...but i gotta say for someone that has no interest in warhammer its absolutely banging!

[@joshuahoover6841]

Same

[@Zakaroy]

Thats how I got in to 40K and now I’m a plastic crack addict, so I’ve got to ask, 4 months later, have you watched any more 40K shit?

[@vulpescorvum7602]

@Zakaroy yes!!!! Consuming lots of lore nonstop , trying to draw characters from this universe, and eventually start my own lore channel. I might not understand a lick of game mechanics, but the lore fascinates me !!! (F U GW for trying to ruin the franchise)

[@TheNinjaSandwichGaming]

That's just how the algorithm gets ya. You either wake up to 40k Lore or Starwars 😂😂

[@triple6274]

@@slickgoku2466 welcome to Warhamer

[@neanderthal-]

The quality of this video. Amazing!

[@ulkem]

"Now I do not accuse my brother of such barbarism, but no evil begins with such monstrous acts. If it did, no sane man would ever consider it. No, it begins slowly, a small step here, a small step there. By such acts is a man’s heart turned black and rotten. A man may begin with noble intentions, believing that such small trespasses are minor things compared to the good he will do at the end of his course, but every act matters, from the smallest to the greatest." Mortarion, Primarch of Death Guards

[@filteredjc4653]

I blame the Emperor more than Chaos for most of these. Most of the traitors you go 'what did he think was going to happen?'. Burned Lorgar's city, refused to listen to Magnus (or tell him about the dangers of sorcery), allowed Angron's troops to die on Nuceria, took Mortarion's moment of triumph away, allowed Perturabo to get away with murder, and forgot to mention the perils of the Warp to any of them. You hardly need foresight to predict the outcome.

[@dunkelwalde695]

Heretic.

[@crim1188]

Lorgar got several strongly worded cease and desist orders so thats on him Fair on Magnus Angron was a lost cause either way that would have gone traitor no matter what he did Mortarion was such a collossal, petty cunt that he would've found some stupid grudge to hold anyway Perturabo did a stupid but the planet was in rebellion, it was wasteful but in no way traitorous and fully in Perty's rights. Perty pushed himself into the traitor side due to his absurd insecurity and pettiness. The only way Emps gets to keep Perty is letting him build the palace Fulgrim he wasnt there to see him prounce around with a demon sword Curze is Curze Horus well, just daddy issues innit Alpharius is loyal Barring Magnus and Angron he did well with all traitor primarchs

[@simeonhodge5692]

Well in his defence in the case of Magnus. He did warn him not to go too deep into his studies of the warp. And after the Council of Nikea if Magnus had followed it he wouldn't have gotten the wolves set on him.

[@sebulller]

@@simeonhodge5692 LOL someone trying to defend Magnus the arrogant fool? now that is hillarious.

[@MAHORAGADAOPPSTOPPA]

​@@sebulllerhe was saying it was magnus's fault

[@Blakobness]

I really love the exchange between Russ and Alpharius, it's very cute. Even in this casual exchange it shows the layers of deception in place.

[@stansmith2503]

Какое прекрасное произношение, я буду учить английский на этом канале!

[@NateCreed07]

This man drops the best vids on a Sunday afternoon

[@robertofloresmendoza6435]

I’m pretty new to Warhammer, but hearing and reading about Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus is absolutely heartbreaking

[@inquisitorgrynthebandito2736]

Avoid anything about Istvaan

[@KhârnTheAngry]

If you take the time to read the book / audiobook "Angron, Slave of Nuceria" You'll be in just as much pain knowing what could've have been of Angron. A Healer, an empath who could literally take the pain away from others and unto himself for his friends to be able to rest. Maybe the most heartbreaking of the primarchs in my eyes. Its like Anakin Skywalker's story. YOU KNOW he's gonna turn dark, but fuck do you wish the story to just have someone to save him. Q-Q

[@ryannelson7719]

For me it's Magnus. One of the emperor's most faithful sons (of course after lorgar..and we know how THAT went) not only to his father but to his own sons as well which is why he ended up being labeled a traitor as he was when he was just trying to do what was right. #MAGNUSDIDNOTHINGWRONG

[@Earlybird86]

@@ryannelson7719 Magnus was too prideful and just wouldn’t listen to someone telling him that Tzeentch was playing him and not the other way around

[@nickp.2169]

It's all good, Ferrus just gets a little ahead of himself.

[@zachtrepp3686]

Perturabo didn’t even need to use his hammer to hit fulgrim, he just needed his words

[@zeppelincraft1443]

"Yet I'm holding the hammer" is poetic. He is holding Ferrus Manus' hammer. The hammer won't even be in his hand in the first place if Fulgrim haven't failed.

[@Gooseyboi403]

Rylanor’s words are equal in wounding Fulgrim

[@LinkLegend0]

Cant believe this piece is free. Great work. Your talent and passion is evident.

[@MrGravylegs]

The saddest traitor I think was Magnus. So much talent, strength, wisdom, and insight.. Yet, for all his gifts his pride got the better of him.. He was warned by so many people close to him not to delve too deep, to be on guard, and not be a sucker for the chaos!! Yet, in his arrogance, he fell, far!! On another note; I was under the belief that the Emperors sword killed demons.. Yet, when Bobby G stuck him, he was just banished back to the warp? I’ll brush up on that bit of lore I recon.

[@codykodak]

This has quickly become my favorite Warhammer 40k channel

[@babayagagaming123]

" And yet, I am the one holding the hammer. " Pertuarbo could have been so much

[@commissaryarrick9670]

Konrad curze is the best traitor primarch . He beat up rogal dorn . He made corvus corax run away . He single handedly took on the dark angels and the lion ,on their own ship . Ran riot on mcragge . Tortured the mighty vulkan . Then went out on his own terms instead of becoming a slave to chaos

[@WestSideGorilla1980]

I like him but he was insufferable with that rage quitting bullshit...oh daddy you didn't hug me enough...ohh I'm 12ft tall and immortal wah wah wah no one could kick his ass tho.

[@justinjunker1399]

@@WestSideGorilla1980 Agreed. Kurze is a cool traitor, maybe one of the best? But Vulkan’s monologue inside the labyrinth says basically everything that needs said about Kurze. He’s even worse than Peter Turbo in being a petulant baby imo

[@WestSideGorilla1980]

@justinjunker1399 yump....perty was a disappointment to everyone mostly himself. Cracks open palace, victory was his....then passive aggressive quits. Like wtf was that? "I'm too sexy for this seige, I'm too sexy for this win and horus? I'm too sexy for you I'm out!"

[@randyruger9063]

Konrad had the 2nd worst childhood of all his bros and lifelong untreated psychosis. Dad put NO effort into stabilizing the Night Haunter. He could've passed the buck of teaching him to Sanguineous instead of Fulgrim and potentially saved him. Just a fumble from start to finish.

[@justinjunker1399]

@@randyruger9063 absolutely agreed. I don’t think there is a single “unredeemable” legion, including Horus, the second and nineteenth (although I know we don’t know that much about them), I just think the master of mankind made some awful choices

[@cesarerinaldi6750]

🖤New Horus Heresy⚫ Iron Warriors❤️Khorne; Alpha Legion/Emperor's Children/Night Lords💜Slaanesh; Sons of Horus (Black Legion)/Death Guard💚Nurgle; Thousand Sons💙Tzeentch. The Emperor's Children loyalists led by Saul Tarvitz; The Alpha Legion loyalists led by Ingo Pech; The Night Lords loyalists led by Fel Zharost; The Iron Warriors loyalists led by Barabas Dantioch; The Death Guard loyalists led by Nathaniel Garro; The Thousand Sons loyalists led by Revuel Arvida; The Sons of Horus loyalists led by Garviel Loken. The traitors💚 of the Salamanders🟢; The traitors💜 of the Iron Snakes🟣; The traitors❤️ of the Space Wolves🔴; The traitors💜 of the Iron Hands🟣; The traitors❤️ of the Word Bringers🔴; The traitors❤️ of the Dark Angels🔴; The traitors❤️ of the Imperial Fists🔴; The traitors💚 of the White Scars🟢; The Traitors❤️ of the Blood Angels🔴; The traitors💙 of the Silver Skulls🔵; The traitors❤️ of the World Eaters🔴; The traitors💙 of the Ultramarines🔵; The traitors💙 of the Raven Guard🔵. Primarch Ulysses II Legion Iron Snakes Homeworld Ithaka; Primarch Casmero XI Legion Silver Skulls Homeworld Varsavia. Shortly before facing the traitors, the Emperor used their own gene seed to replace them with new Primarchs (and with new Legions), which however the Chaos Gods, as done before, throw them on distant homeworlds where they still manage to survive and form on their own, later reuniting with Primarch Roboute Guilliman: Devortus Gault and Red Scorpions (III) on Zaebus, Theseus and Minotaurs (IV) on Artherion, Murad Agha and Black Dragons (VIII) on Burso, Severin and Doom Eagles (XIV) on Cailleach, Mikael Corveda and Blood Ravens (XV) on Aurelia, Kaius Krav and Scythes of the Emperor (XVI) on Sotha, Arpaza and Mortifactors (XX) on Posul.

[@hotaruFirefly2]

Something tells me a lot of this would have been avoided if the some of Emperor's kids weren't sent to complete hell scapes as children.

[@zakkmylde1712]

Hell, a lot of it still could have been avoided despite the hellscapes if Big E would have actually spent some time with his kids instead of finding them, beating some of them into submission and immediately giving them marching orders. The Emperor may be superhuman and borderline god like but at the end of the day he was still a human and fell victim to his hubris such is the way of humanity.

[@TheCorrodedMan]

That, and if the Emperor had studied childcare as extensively as genetics.

[@TheSpicyLeg]

@@TheCorrodedManSure, because decades or century old demigods are just like children.

[@TheCorrodedMan]

@@TheSpicyLeg They also have severe DADDY ISSUES, each and every sodding one

[@thomaskovacs5094]

Wow the primarch that eventually fell to nurgle was raised on a rotten poison planet no waaaaayyy

[@whysogrim697]

Throwing shade at the alpha legion by putting them with the traitors

[@RSBurgener]

I just love Perturabo. I know not everyone agrees with me, but he just makes me *excited* to do Warhammer.

[@lightmetro7508]

You're an excellent narrator!

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

Whenever i let the yt autoplay going i always end on this video, even tho i have a 2 hours timer to lock the phone if im asleep

[@AlOstosman]

All Roads Lead Back To The Remembrancer

[@Nikolaos_Thessalos]

Just got a huge piece of cheesecake and at the same time an almost 4 hours video of the traitor Primarchs... BEST. SUNDAY. NIGHT. EVER!

[@Roylevis]

I wish someone made in deptht video about all the first captains. Great content!

[@captainblood9616]

Great work on the visuals as well as the spoken content.

[@Angelofiron-jx2ny]

"He is just a man!" Guy who wrote the Imperium's bible

[@headlibrarian1996]

It was amazing that Nuceria doesn't appear to have been a Chaos planet, and the original Butcher's Nails do not appear to have been a Chaos artifact, even though Nuceria seems an obvious choice for a Khorne-controlled planet. As we don't have the event from Angron's point of view it is unclear if his ascension was voluntary, or even if that was necessary for it to happen. Did Khorne communicate with him? It's also unclear if the Nails, in his now daemonic form, are merely a reflection of his self-image, like Fulgrim's Laer-like form is, or if they actually still cause pain and disassociation. The latter (eternal suffering) is certainly the sort of thing that Chaos loves.

[@jeambeam3173]

Just to clear up some of your misconceptions Angron did in fact not have a choice to ascend it's something Lorgar specifically did to him as the Butchers Nails would kill him and I'd say if by original you mean Angrons Buthers Nails they probably were destroyed when he turned into a Daemon. If you mean the original prototype a big misconception you have is thinking Nuceria had anything to do with Chaos. 40k goes out of its way to show that not every terrible planet or civilization or war is caused by Chaos or Xeno trickery. Sometimes people are just evil. Also pretty sure Angron killed every person on Nuceria as he did return once and i wouldn't think Angron would be the type of person to recreate his Daemon world into his home world so Nuceria as it once was is basically gone forever either blown or or quarantined from the rest of the Imperium after the HH

[@kierranbrooks7306]

@@jeambeam3173 yeah Angron and Lorgar go back to Nuceria during the Heresy to try and find more information on how to remove the nails, Angron however lands on the spot where the Emperor stole him from and sees the bones of his old comrades scattered on the ground and hears how people call him a coward for leaving and then in the resulting rage he wipes put most of the people on the planet. The nails themselves are probably some piece of dark age tech, in my head cannon they were rushed into production to be fitted to people fighting against the men of iron, I mean it would make a lot of sense, they'd have been imperfect seeing as they were rushed, foot soldiers wouldn't live long against men of iron so no research into their removal would have ever been done AND more importantly the war of iron wpuld have maybe been one of the ONLY times during the golden age where enraged soldiers would be a boon, because before the men of iron turned they were the ones fighting wars, not humanity.

[@jeambeam3173]

@@kierranbrooks7306 I know this but little mistake they didn't work properly because they were ment for humans. Not Astartes nor Primarch. Could have been made to be used against Men of Iron but there's no evidence of it

[@kierranbrooks7306]

@@jeambeam3173 oh yeah there's no hard evidence but I feel it makes sense/ fits into the timeline nicely, I mean golden age humanity weren't really fighting their own battles up until the war of iron so it wouldn't have made much sense to produce something designed to make a person into an anger fueled killing machine, whereas when the war started they would have been in a rush to send ANYTHING with even the smallest chance of working out there as quickly as possible, including something that would turn a relatively peaceful people into killing machines. As for the design part, I agree woth you somewhat in that we know that Angron 'couldn't' have the nails removed because of how they interacted with his primarch physiology but I don't think it's too far of a stretch to imagine that no way to remove them from anyone was ever REALLY devised. Again though it's mostly just headcannon on my part and like you say there's little evidence for most of it other than maybe slightly convenient time frames.

[@RageGamerT]

As soon as the Iron Warriors withdrew from the battle, that should've been an indicator to Horus that he should cut losses and retreat. I say this because, and lets be honest here, the Iron Warriors CARRIED the Heresy. HARD CARRIED.

[@Banthisyoutube-zs6sx]

Fa ts iron warriors number 1 traitor legion

[@Theobserver6897]

There was no retreat the ultramarines and dark angels were coming if Horus tried to leave they would have stopped him right outside the sole system

[@LeFamilyTV-d4b]

Love your work, as always. You need to consider reading for an audiobook. I would buy a rendition of you reading “go the f&@k to sleep”

[@TheRemembrancer]

Thank you for the support!

[@MrMannerless]

Konrad is a Curze on the Imperium… they had to end him because he was op, he actually did villainous shit like a pro, he was the Joker of 40k. Best part is, he didn’t become a little bitch of chaos either. R.I.P best Primarch.

[@Jhc421]

Another fantastic video, I very much appreciate these long-form edits, tis great to put on while I work.

[@peterga3658]

uhhh il have something good to listen at night nice great work

[@levitatingpotato109]

I like lorgar, he was really the one who was betrayed.

[@TheEmperorsChampion964]

I can't help but like Perturabo, if he wasn't present at the siege of Terra there's a very good chance that Rogal Dorn would have held out long enough for Bobby G to break the siege before the emperor resorted to boarding the vengeful spirit meaning that without Perturabo the emperor and Sanguinius and Malchador would still be alive

[@StDomBz]

Didn't the ability to see the eye of terror have a degenerative effect on his mental stability? I can't recall. But I feel like i remember it being mentioned that it caused much of his paranoia and spite. If so, he's no less tragic as Angron. It's just Perty's situation wasn't really seen or spoken of. When it was, he was made to feel even more crazy. So he doesn't bring it up again. And so people tend to forget that part.

[@TheEmperorsChampion964]

@@StDomBz probably yes, I'd have to look into it. My point is without him I'm very sure the emperor, Sanguinius and malchador would be alive

[@StDomBz]

@TheEmperorsChampion964 Oh I get you and I agree. I was just adding on cause he gets a lot of shit from people in the fandom. While often deserved, it also seems to often be for the wrong reasons. He's the mf that gets shit done, and, while he's petty, there was an underlying cause of that issue that gets overlooked both in story and irl.

[@RSBurgener]

Yes, the fandom has believed the memes about petulant Perturabo, forgetting that in that "tantrum" scene, he's literally a teenager. No, most people don't want to look into the character deeply enough to see why he might be the way that he is. Or they just dismiss it away. The Eye of Terror watching Perturabo from the sky is what shaped his character to a great degree. It isn't spelled out anywhere in the lore, but it's heavily implied. I think it's a good metaphor for depression and anxiety, a mental health condition many people deal with, one that really affects their behavior and their outlook. I've got a dad and a grandfather with a lot of Perturabo in them, and I think that was the cause for them.

[@ZeroNumerous]

Perturabo was always a bitter and spiteful traitor. Even without seeing the Eye of Terror he believes himself to be above and beyond normal people as a child, grew up with that idea in his head, and only had it fostered by Dammekos. He's never happy with anything he's given. Perturabo is in that special class of primarch who would never switch sides, alongside Sanguinius, Dorn, and Magnus. He could never be anything but a traitor because he's too bitter and petty to ever be happy as a loyalist. People will do a lot of Perturabo apologia, blame the Eye, the Emperor, a lack of recognition, and a thousand other things. But the fact is: Perturabo is a shitty person by nature. His innate quality is bitter envy. He is someone to be pitied, but never given leeway. Because he chose to be as he is. A lot of Perturabo apologists will forget Sanguinius knew his fate from the first day he laid eyes upon the Emperor, knew where and how he would die from day 1, and never once thought to turn traitor. He never let envy over the brothers that lived longer, spite about his lot in the world, or depression over his immutable fate break him. Perturabo allowed all of those things to not only win, but he chose to embrace them. Perturabo is a perfect example of how circumstances and your own nature are never the sole defining factor of who you are. You can choose to be better. You can choose to be Sanguinius, instead of letting your inner Perturabo win.

[@danmarusan2878]

The only Traitor-Primarch who had truly comprehensable reasons for betraying the Emperor is Angron. Nothing of what he did was his own fault: The Elder kill team, who tried to kill him because of a vision, made his live as slave possible in the first place. The butchers nails turned the former Spartacus into Kratos with severe brain damage. His rebellion was doomed to fail and instead of saving him AND his men the Emperor teleported Angron on his ship and basicly told him: "Your men doesn't matter to me, your condition doesn't matter to me, you're good enough for beeing my butcher. Here's your new army and now do what you can do best." Angron/Kratos and his legion ran wild to an extend that Khorne cumed from pleasure and "invited" Angron and the World Eaters to become his chosen legion. Because of his brain damage Angron was successfully fooled by Lorgar into believing that he (Lorgar) cared about him and that there's a way to save him (Angron) from the butchers nails. Had the Emperor saved Angron AND his gladiators by teleporting all of them onto the Conqueror or joining the fight with the War Hounds and Custodes fighting alongside the gladiators, Angron's fate would've been an entirely different one. The Emperor could've had a loyal Primarch with his legion and a new world brought into compliance by doing so. 3 birds, 1 stone. All he got was a gigantic kick in the nuts.

[@Banthisyoutube-zs6sx]

Perturabo would like to speak

[@danmarusan2878]

@@Banthisyoutube-zs6sx 1. Perturabo had no ancient torture device in his head which killed him slowly and turned him into braindead Kratos. 2. Perturabos game wasn't rigged from the start by an Eldar kill team who created the same self-fullfilling prophecy which they wanted to prevent. 3. Perturabo was raised by the lord of his planet with everything he needed, while Angron grew up in slavery as a child gladiator which was ony possible because of the Eldar. 4. Angron's only concious decision was to rise up against the rulers of Nuceria in order to free the slaves and to die at their side when his rebellion failed. All that was taken away from him. 5. Every atrocity he and his Warhounds/World Eaters comit was due to the worsening of his mental state which was the result of the butchers nails messing with his brain. Perturabo did everything he did because he couldn't cope with his inferiority complex and ran away like a coward after be became stupid with anger when his "pacification" attempts went wrong and he blew up his home planet. 6. Angron wanted revenge on the Emperor because his decission lead to the death of those people Angron liberated and when the rebellion failed Angron wasn't allowed to do the honorable thing and die alongside the men who were about to get slaughtered. Perturabo only wanted to show Rogal Dorn the middle finger because of a very onesided rivalry of his own making. Yes, Perturabo showed that you don't need an ancient "I turn your brain into mush and turn you into an allways angry simpleton" torture device in the head to be an idiot.

[@Banthisyoutube-zs6sx]

@@danmarusan2878 careful your meatriding angron a little hard there buddy boy. Angron will always be the crappiest of the traitor primarchs. Dude was always a big dumb animal. The fact your apologising for him is sad. 1 perturabo had no joy in his life because everything came to him immediatly, 2 perturabo LITERALLY saw hell every day of his life because he saw the eye of terror everyday, 3 perturabo's troops were treated as disposable cannon fodder before and after his arrival, 4 he came from a very politically unstable planet which bred paranoia.....and big number 5 dude HARD CARRIED the heresy because every other primarch was an idiot who was off doing their own thing.

[@bigcat99100]

The emporer did angron so dirty, i despise the emporer. Shows how well written he is lol

[@reidboggs4344]

Magnus did nothing wrong? How about “Angron was completely justified”?

[@sloshed-rat]

Was it really any surprise that Angron and his legion would turn traitor?

[@danmarusan2878]

​@@sloshed-rat not at all. Pissing off brain damaged Kratos (Angron) to such an extend and completely ignoring everything besides the own god issiue is never a good idea.

[@davidsamuel6323]

You see I love the Emperor as one of my favourite fictional characters ever for all the callous horrible stuff he does.

[@THEDonnyB]

Perturabo hard carried the heresy then pulled a Cartman. Mortarion definitely low-key carried. Konrad was a fuckin menace but seemingly wasn't too committed to chaos itself and proceeded to bitch out. Magnus fucked up, fucked over, got fucked up, then fucked off. Angron raged harder than ever before. Fulgrim fucked. Lorgar preached. Alpharius died. Horus is no more.

[@mattias969]

This planet needs a night haunter.

[@CLxJames]

The entire beginning of the Alpharius segment just reminded me of Fact or Fiction with Jonathan Frakes “It’s a lie” “We made it up” “Not this time” “Nope, wrong again”

[@pinkgoblin3915]

"Shit" - Fulgrim

[@TheRealCatoSicarius]

While they all became traitors eventually, each wicked in their own right, always remember: Without the emperors intervention, as they developed, they ALL were heroes doing generally what was right for their people.

[@EthanHeathen]

Awesome. Great video, thank you.

[@joshuawiseman5629]

I feel like angron had a pretty good story as to why he turned probably the most reasonable to me

[@wademccormick4371]

The lore is soooo good

[@someguyfromsomewhere]

A long video! Woo-hoo! Time to give the Emperor's mercy to these Doritos and kick back for 3 1/2 hours. The Emperor does provide!!

[@frodo7287]

1:58:41 at this point I've gotten the feeling that most of the traitor primarchs have tragic back stories. I think Angron is probably the most tragic and maybe Kurze

[@Me-ur5fg]

Good shit. Now pump out more videos there are never enough.

[@brandonkipta4426]

Every story of a primarchs fall from grace makes me hate Erebus even more.

[@mitchellarndt5534]

Tyranids really need something to lead gaunts into battle because currently nothing can lead hormagaunts or termagaunts and gargoyles can be led by a winged tyranid prime but the prime is focused on melee and does not really work with gargoyles

[@jakkaljakobie8774]

Fully agree, though admittedly I'm just happy to get new models regardless of their combat role.

[@GanuSing-yv8ex]

Can you please tell me what is the music in Perturabo's part?

[@relight6931]

Well, while I won't go into whether your mental profile of Lorgar as being correct,as I know little of BPD group of dissorders.. One thing where I definettly wouldn't agree is his talk with Roubute at Kalth.. By then, he is mad at Roubute for both being present when Emperor finally shows him the error of his ways,but also burn the "perfect city".. His whole dialogue their is basicly gloating for being so many steps ahead of Roubute, as far as what is happening.. His whole shock was, snickering, while being actually very very proud of himself of planning out and now enacting one of a kind, surprise attack that will cost the ultramarines so so dearly.. Also his line, I am not the same being you fought on Istvan.. I also find to be him saying I am not the weakly just primarch I was then. You might be projecting a little bit or reading too much into it.. Some of these dialogs are made for greater drama.. When analyzing characters from fiction and trying to asign actual real mental disorders, I think keeping track of their actions and decisions, also the reasons why the do them, might be more useful then focusing on dialogs.. Esoecially in a space sci fi epic where you absolutly need those kinds of dialogs before some major action. Liked the video, all the same.. I am prone to over analyzing stuff aswell so this obsession is something very known to me..

[@MukesBoy]

When I started reading the Warhammer books and RPG source guides back in the late 80s I had no idea it would still go in this strongly to date. Same as Cyberpunk, SpellJammer or Shadowrun. I'm grateful to have been here long enough to appreciate it all. It all started when I heard Bolt Thrower. We shall remember them!

[@Knucl3H34D]

As much as I hate Horus his take is quite tragic see him differently now if only he’d known that the future he seen was caused by his actions

[@KageKS]

lol "restrained might" man, russ lost every fight he had against his brothers. He wasnt restrained, he is just bad at his job.

[@54032Zepol]

I think that most of them could be redeemed even Horus.

[@willyboy7141]

Wait wouldn’t Horus be the one loss though? After the Emperor deleted his soul?

[@justinjunker1399]

I’ve only been into 40k lore for about a year, I’m three books into the heresy, and I genuinely think Erebus is the only irredeemable. Without Erebus’s influence I even think Lorgar could’ve been saved after Monarchia burned.

[@justinjunker1399]

Also, in Arks of Omen The Lion redeems several fallen angels, surely the same could’ve been done for the other traitor legions, even if their Primarch’s were gone

[@54032Zepol]

@@justinjunker1399 it would be bitter sweet if the emperor came back and gave Horus soul back and they both die in each other's arms, father and sons final embrace and they both ascend into the heavens

[@justinjunker1399]

@@54032Zepol bro you can’t say this to me 😭😭😭😭😭😭 The Emperor held back because of his favorite son, and Horus realized right as he was defeated, none of them deserved the end they got, Sanguinius and Dorn included

[@sbeaber]

My KZbin constantly Plays this video after another video finishes. This. Video. Like 100 times

[@WestSideGorilla1980]

Arkon Land took a look with Big E at the excruciatum in his head, it was killing Angron but keeping him alive. These guys didn't have a chance, even alpharious who never left terra and was raised by his dad and uncle's Malchy and valdor turned out to be a jerk. Demigods with bigger ego's had warp fuckery in their very essence were doomed. They were designed to fall eventually by design. Only Angron with half his brain missing was as human as they got. The emperor was a despot. Lorgar wanted the truth and he found it, only successful arc in 40k.

[@DJSkittles365]

I think Angron was very capable of instilling humanity in his other brothers.

[@patrickkenny8672]

We found him guys… we found the heretic

[@Angelofiron-jx2ny]

I relate with Lorgar, before even having read the first heretic, i already told myself many time "all i ever wanted is the truth"

[@no-nonseplayer6612]

Well both twin primarchs were send somehwere by big e before horus heresy

[@allenamato6247]

Heretics all For The All Father!!!!

[@Gazza-eo3ei]

I love how out of all of them only 3 had any sort of competence near the end of everything, even then they were very flawed. Perturabo was a strategic genius and master tactician but also a manchild who sometimes killed his men because they spoke back to him or failed him due to circumstances they couldn't control. Mortarion was a pretty solid commander but his arrogance and need to constantly prove he and his legions endurance constantly came back to bite him in the back with high casualties, predictable tactics and inability to adapt. Horus is an interesting one, before his fall i honestly can't really fault him as a commander or a leader, sure he was insecure and arrogant, but not in the damning way of other traitor primarchs. He was a genius strategist, his great charisma was effective at inspiring loyalty and courage in others, and he was a powerful warrior. If I had been in the emperors position horus is the one I would have chosen for warmaster. For the start of the heresy he remained broadly the same and was still an effective leader, but after a while he became far more arrogant, his charisma and ability to bring others to his side fell drastically. Perturabo had to basically carry the siege of terra on his back instead of Horus and he became a meat suit for chaos

[@nathanworthington4451]

Good job repeating what you just heard👍

[@Gazza-eo3ei]

@@nathanworthington4451 I didn't repeat anything

[@nathanworthington4451]

@@Gazza-eo3ei That's exactly what you did.

[@Gazza-eo3ei]

@@nathanworthington4451 again I didn't, but if you want to think that it's up to you. I can't stop you from being wrong

[@nathanworthington4451]

@@Gazza-eo3ei Yeah I know you cant bc it's true. It's right there in black & white written by you in the comment section of the video we just watched.

[@AAC1714]

After hearing that sang actually just got beat to death and horus was actually stronger then everybody I just wonder how these lore videos will handle the new changing information ?

[@Ace_Soda]

Vulkan has to be the greatest wingman ever HE SAVED BRO'S WIFE

[@miguelperez9906]

Konrad accomplished something not even angron at peak could do he got Sanguineous to be truly and deeply spiteful

[@Lee350]

Still like Curze. They should bring him back. Like a resurrection story somehow. Make some crap up about chaos gods powers or Necrons bring him back to be half necron half human 😂

[@MAHORAGADAOPPSTOPPA]

Curze hated chaos I would just say a typical resurrection story, they have his head and body lol

[@tossr4716]

I am the Instrument of His Will, I am the right-hand to the Emperor, the leader of a Samuel-Company Halleluja! I am Wrath Incarnate. I am the edge of His Sword, I am the Point of His Spear, and the mail about His Fist, I am the Bane of His Foes and the Woes of the Treacherous, I am the End.

[@johnnieharo4098]

Great . brilliant ❤❤❤

[@mranderson718]

The Emperor’s Children got their name and the Aquila from saving him from an ambush from traitor lords on Terra, not because of Fulgrim’s speech.

[@alfredandersson875]

The Aquila, yes. The name? I think that came later from Fulgrim but not specifically because of his speach.

[@m.roussos]

Konrad was basically Batman but 40k

[@ToTheNines87368]

This guy tends to call every legion efficient. You can say a lot about the Death Guard but they weren’t exactly efficient, but they did get the job done.

[@MrMannerless]

But is the Alpha Legion CONFIRMED traitor? I thought their whole spiel was that we don’t know what they’re up to?

[@mattymayhem1232]

Why didn't anyone ever wonder why the primarch babies were growing to be twice the size of a man within a few months???

[@DirtyMardi]

Fulgriffith did nothing wrong

[@BleachCowboy2016]

u telling me that no one on Chemos, out of the millions of people, was able to make the mining machines more efficient? man, that's tough...

[@Barriepowell-ex2tq]

Brilliant stuff

[@Askethanoras]

Just wish this was a bit easier to sleep to lol, (sleep and lore is a nice combo)

[@morbidone88]

Perturabo is definitely on the spectrum, its pretty crazy actually

[@alfredandersson875]

Lmao

[@thomaskovacs5094]

The fall of the 3rd legion is so sad 😢

[@SubduedRadical]

I feel like a couple of them pretty much are just evil and deserve what they get, but some were not. Angeron's situation just sucked all around. Logar tried doing what he thought was right, and even Gilliman thought the punishment was probably too harsh, not to mention THE ENTIRE IMPERIUM ended up doing the same thing anyway, and he'd be considered a hero having done so 1,000 years later. And Magnus is probably the worst here. Yeah, "ignored warnings", but Big E used Psychic/Warp powers and wasn't condemned/called evil. Magnus was trying to save Humanity but was condemned for it. Granted, that was by Horus, the Emperor only ordered his arrest for trial, but let's not pretend the trial would have been kind. He even first was willing to die with all his men, but only due to the callous brutality of Russ' basically inquisition level destruction on his planet and the innocent people there, and the pleas of his sons, did Magnus step up. And Russ just kept trying to follow the orders he WANTED to follow, brutally murdering, leading to Magnus surrendering at last to the Changer of Ways. And even when the Emperor offered him an out, the only reason he refused was because his sons would be left to suffering and death if he did so. Then you get cases like the Night Lord who's...just kind of an ass, lol

[@bobthor9647]

Where do you learn all this stuff ? The novels ?

[@ragnorockcookie2868]

I guess the moment the sword fire blade was broken that was the last thing kiping him from him falling to the Evil sword. Oof

[@sorbpen]

Since when is Eldrad Uthwe pronounced "Eldrad Uthrane" - was not such in the audio books and is not such in phonetics, so I'm guessing it's a mistake?

[@GhostShipBaychimo]

Curze was one busy boy

[@macezunner8559]

i know the emperor wasnt perfect but why did he especially hoe angron and magnus even knowing their nature?

[@Howl-Runner]

... how many of the primarchs origins are just a copy paste of other primarchs origin stories...

[@jedbex7070]

What if Alpharius and Omegon are not twins but triplets? There’s 3 heads on the hydra they bear, they are impossible to tell apart even by their Primarch brothers. Who’s to say there wasn’t always three? Making each story true and each story a lie?

[@Lemko-jg3zn]

Angron is so freaking miserable

[@TheSpicyLeg]

Whenever it comes to the traitors, I never can quite understand the theory that if the Emperor simply “dads better” everything could be avoided. Horus had the most time with the Emperor, and had the most time to play catch and sit at the dinner table or whatever it is people think the Emperor should have done. Didn’t, uh, turn out great. Really, the idea seems to be that superhuman demigods that are already adults can be just coached into being good guys after decades or centuries of nonsense. It would be like having a son that is stolen from you the day he is born, and you find him after 25 years of abuse and all kinds of messed up stuff, only to have people knock your parenting when he gets a DUI the next day. If the Primarchs were all raised with the Emperor from their pods to adulthood and beyond, I could see a better turnout. But it isn’t like the Emperor had apple tags on them and just said screw it, I’ll catch them later.

[@sarjocole2626]

I get what you're saying, but there's something to be said about making sons for the express purpose of carrying out g3nocides and crusades. The emperor is, very arguably, just a bad person who is paranoid, xenophobic and bears a warped sense of empathy. It's not as if "dad-ing better" just meant he should do what he did with Horus for all of them. The act of genetically molding super-sons, destined to carry humanity on their backs through violence is itself bad in some ways. And it's really a focus on humanity's survival as a concept or species; most of them never really learned to empathize or value individual human lives and most were taught that treating people well and not infringing on their rights is conditional and based on whether they agree or follow orders. But I will say that a lot of them, simply due to the nature of chaos and circumstances outside of any of their control, would have turned, even if the emperor was one of the best dad's ever.

[@TheSpicyLeg]

@@sarjocole2626 Whether you or I agree with it or not, “I shall bloody my hands so that yours remain clean” is a very old concept. The Emperor has espoused various attitudes to the necessity of the Unification, the Crusade, the Heresy’s reaction, and the ten millennia in between, albeit mostly through Malcador. If he is to be believed, then the Emperor becomes what is required at any given juncture, though he wishes he did not have to be the Warlord. He will be, of course, without reservation, but of the guises he has worn, it’s the least favorite. If this were our reality, I would scoff at the logic. But their reality really is that bad. And the evidence we have for how the galaxy works - long before humanity even evolved - is the same thing. The Necrons, C’tan, Old Ones, and Eldar were genociding and warmongering in prehistory. The Emperor is many things, but if you had to choose one, it is pragmatic to a fault. When he saves someone, say, the Khan, it isn’t because of compassion but because the Khan is needed for something. While we can’t know for sure what would have happened in their absence, the Primarchs were needed. Guilliman is proof, because without him, how would Mortarion be stopped and Nurgle punished? Even with Primarchs, the Imperium is slowly losing. If the Emperor’s doing something because it required, and we grant him that, then we must place the onus for negative externalities on those that cause the requirement, don’t we? Would the Emperor create the Primarchs if Chaos didn’t exist? Who can say? It seems unlikely, but then again, it isn’t as if the Tyranids or Necrons can’t be described as galaxy-ending threats. Yet even in these cases, the pace of the Unification and Crusade suggests that there was a time restriction that necessitated ignoring all the bad stuff Primarchs and others were up to, which wouldn’t make sense if the threat were Tyranids or Necrons or even Orks, as they didn’t become true threats for centuries or millennia later. It’s always been Chaos. Chaos is why all this is set in motion.

[@teaguejelinek4038]

So basically demons

[@hundun5604]

Wich legions are the strongest?

[@blank8460]

Iron cage=badass Imperial Fists winning the Siege of Terra...you lose forever iron bitches, youse even left

[@aguspuig6615]

here on my 999th watch i think

[@MiiMagus93]

All im hearing is Vulkan's the goat and haunter and his salty buddy porturabo being cowards jumping my boy when hes at his worst smh. Vulkan gang rise up

[@En_D._Wudez89]

Can i just throw it out there. Is it possible that the 2nd and 11th primarchs were the emperors daughters?

[@Ahmad57422]

If u think about it, The emperor is the biggest failure in the Warhammer lore 🤔

[@matthewbennett1972]

Restrained might pffffftt. Russ was in the fight of his life

[@joshbrooks120]

Thanks

[@Scamp805]

Lmao why’d Night Haunter get to be Batman but everyone else got screwed 😂

[@zakkmylde1712]

He's more Punisher than Batman.

[@Cinerary]

Ah yes, the guy that deteriorated into an insane starved corpse, and got his head chopped off by an assassin that he could have easily taken out, because he was so done with living, somehow was less screwed than his traitor brothers. Lol The point of Konrads story is he was the most pathetic and suffered the most. They all suffered but not even close to as much as Curze. He was the craziest even without butcher’s nails in his head.

[@Cinerary]

The point of Curze was he was the most pathetic and suffered the most, not that he was Batman

[@JDogTBD]

Magnus the red looks to be an alien/xenos of some sort.

[@ConspiracyOpossum]

Konrad Curze was loyal to

[@graydonsutherland6439]

Sounds like frostmorne was a ripoff of the demon Blade, which storyline was first, warhammer or warcraft

[@Ponkan45]

Yeah I was thinking that too. Fulgrim and Arthas are pretty similar as well lol

[@mugglepower]

heh didn't know Conrad got get by an assassin. A just end to the vile!