Trans athlete wins swimming title

[@lindah.1104]

From 462 ranking as a male to #1 in the female ranking- pretty much says it all. Save women’s sports!

[@billmccaslin3595]

You got that right! He was a looser as a male swimmer, now he is just a looser with a phoney title. There will have to be an * next to his title, "not really a woman!"

[@odilesamsara1384]

@@billmccaslin3595 Why just an *?! Have we all lost our minds?!? His times and titles should be scrubbed from the records ffs! Don't give into the political correctness nonsense. It's what got us here in the first time.😒

[@donwaters2022]

I would have dominated in High School if I could have played football on the girls team!

[@andreking9704]

Women are OK with this. Women want to be treated equal.

[@YouTubeExplore777]

Agree, if he can do then all the trans will want to join too ruining womens sport replaced with penis women. I'm not there to watch penis women beat biological women. I don't get it. Woman sports are for biological women and man sports for biological men. There's a reason for that so both can have their own sport to compete with same gender

[@Yazmínmf]

The real winner is the woman who ranked 2nd

[@teabaganyone7830]

How about you be quite you Nazi and keep your bigoted opinions to yourself

[@mattl3531]

@@teabaganyone7830 Keep being a science and biology denier to live in your delusion dumbass. People like you are why women are losing the sports they bought for decades for.

[@romanmir01]

Lia was number 1, 2, 3 and 4. The next one was at number 5 )

[@kevino4372]

broad shoulders

[@Myname-l3h]

No? It's the woman ranked 1st.

[@theylied1776]

This is ridiculous! This has absolutely nothing to do with hate or transphobia, this is about leveling the playing field. Lia Thompson absolutely has undeniable biological and physical advantages, due to the fact Lia was born male and went through puberty as a male. Answer me this, why aren't there any trans-male college athletes winning any NCAA titles or finishing as one of the top 20 male college athletes?

[@Pw6872]

And who the hell gets to call it an official "phobia" if one thinks 'so-called" trans dysphoria is all bullcrap?

[@AuroraColoradoUSA]

The League of Women Voters and the ACLU enthusiastically support it. It's not about a few confused individuals, it's about beliefs. We all must BELIEVE!

[@YaBoiBrendo]

If you say “trans women are biologically and physically male” in any other context, you get an ass beating. On the field they’re men, but everywhere else they’re women. Do you see the fallacy here?

[@MM-PrayEverydayForUS]

@@YaBoiBrendo I see the PHALLacy, yes,

[@patton9696]

@@MM-PrayEverydayForUS LOL

[@riyadragun6905]

His shoulders alone says everything.

[@royrogers3404]

Lol. His shoulders alone could've won the swim meet.

[@soup_bois]

Yeah exactly, I saw the thumbnail and I was like this is a man. He’ll even beat some men up, he’ll beat me for sure.

[@juliusemperor907]

I want to transition into being a child, and i want to compete against kindergartners so i can win

[@MP-ne6ji]

lol!

[@GrandBenja]

Great comment.

[@juliusemperor907]

@@GrandBenja ty

[@constantine7382]

Sadly, they would probably kick my ass!

[@maemaedenise220]

Exactly.

[@daledevernon56]

This entire issue reminds me of the book"The emperors new clothes" where people are afraid to state the obvious or speak the truth because of judgment, or in this case, cancel culture.

[@drumtwo4seven]

EXCELLENT AMEN TY 👍

[@vanamq2459]

I have thought the same thing since day one.

[@Z3t487]

Well said Dale.

[@2ndDayRiffs]

Absolutely

[@cquinn4555]

parents stopped reading this story to their children long ago sadly. i was raised on it. it has probably been banned.

[@Malpriorvids]

It takes a lot of balls to become the best woman in your sport.

[@ravinegi3911]

Facts

[@kodyscot9360]

type in " transgender man plays with real men "...there is no video of that.

[@cybertar]

LITERALLY

[@luyichiswute4574]

More like 2🤣

[@mariestreeting4213]

😆😆😆

[@tonypadilla4906]

I identify as a cat. So I shouldn't have to pay taxes.

[@tracynt]

You have to clean your ass with your tongue 😂😂😂😂

[@anyexpat]

Careful Trump Will Grab you

[@ronsub4753]

do you pay your taxes?

[@wongjoman1227]

​@@ronsub4753are you homo?

[@pete7389]

I’m pretty liberal and open minded, but this is really pushing the boundaries.

[@SquaretailDaddy]

Same

[@skatarest77]

Oh is it? Very impressive.

[@bitchnutzmcgee5895]

Ya think?

[@DoctorSkillz]

You liberals are responsible for this. 🙄

[@LesnJayme]

I agree...this issue is getting old and absurd at this point.

[@ABSG7]

They need their own league

[@morgangentle3287]

You can’t take performance enhancing supplements but you can be a man in a women’s category

[@rational_uppercut1392]

It..it needs its own language

[@jacquecortez5014]

Yes I agree.

[@syme1984]

They do its called special Olympics

[@DrivenA111]

@@jacquecortez5014 Not enough of them, I don't think

[@sebowisha5979]

I can’t believe this is even real.

[@chezchezchezchez]

believe it!

[@mark1811able]

Just goes to show you people have lost their minds

[@brittanylynnz]

Same

[@trannyfingerfudgejeffy4247]

I like to smell my fingers after eating cheese.

[@SA-op4xu]

Welcome to modern times in human history.

[@mochimay9040]

As a female swimmer this isn’t fair at all. Being born a male and going through puberty as a male gaining strength, broad shoulders, and massive lungs is an enormous advantage when swimming. The fact that she swam against biological female swimmers who don’t have as much physical strength isn’t fair at all. I’d say that she cheated and I see no reason why people should defend her when this is mainly about strength and playing the game fair. Going from 400th place to 1st place is a major difference and knowing that she has a greater advantage against those other swimmers who have been swimming for so long just to get first place isn’t cool, especially when you know your gonna lose against a biological boy who’s strength is greater than yours. Imagine being them, you’d be so angry and to all those people who are defending her need to understand that this has nothing to do with being transphobic and she shouldn’t be competing in these type of events .

[@detectivemz2544]

You are reactionary and you have the brain of a dinosaur. How do you say that she is not a real woman? Do you know what a woman is? She is a women like you

[@honestacmilanfan]

If that's the case then why does sports exist in the first place? Ban all sports and competition. One person will always have biological advantage compared to another even when all are men competing or all are women competing. That's the reason Black Men too destroy White Men due to biological advantage. Either get over it or keep crying.

[@kittenmittentheatreadventu3185]

I agree! No Such thing as Trans.

[@Xe54official]

*he/his

[@safiazhd2567]

Oh come on stop calling him "She/her"

[@annal3870]

As a swimmer I would absolutely refuse to compete and walk out... Sorry

[@constantine7382]

Don't apologize for doing the right thing!

[@tylere.8436]

Never apologize to the woke retards.

[@ratemisia]

I've posted this on another comment already, but it fits what you've said too, so I'll also contribute it here. Transgender women - that's people who were born male - have several significant advantage especially before hormone therapy, which goes away completely in all but a few areas after two years on hormone therapy. This is a significant effect, and there is justification for holding back these trans female athletes from switching sides at least until they score on tests that indicate they are within the typical performance range for female athletes in their skill bracket. However, the same "no switch" rule has been applied to transgender _male_ athletes, who are prevented from joining the men's bracket, even if they would UNDERperform in the men's bracket. After only a few months of testosterone, these athletes have a significant edge over their competitors - the exact same advantage these rules are trying to prevent. However, they are still held back, in interest of "fairness" even when they begin easily defeating any female athlete they encounter on the field. Methinks I smell some hypocrisy here. Michael Phelps is the world's fastest swimmer. He is not transgender, he was born male and always has been raised as such. He has a genetic mutation that gives him abnormally long arms, which means he has more area to push water with, and gives him an unfair advantage in the swimming pool. Should he be disqualified from competing? Under these rules, yes; but he has yet to be disqualified from a tournament on these bounds, and he won the Olympic gold medal and got his name in the world record books either way. Annet Negesa, an Olympic 800-meter run contestant, was advised to get a gonadectomy due to high testosterone levels disallowing her from competing in the women's bracket. Negesa had a genetic defect that gave her abnormally high testosterone levels despite being biologically female and taking no performance enhancing drugs - she was not transgender, she had been identified as female by a doctor at birth, and raised under a female name and identity. She went through with the surgery... this caused complications that prevented her from competing in the Olympics at all, including in the men's bracket. She was kept from competing, and even went into a potentially life-threatening surgery, despite her being more or less equal to her competitors in performance and doing everything right to get there and compete on a level playing field. Was this fair and equal? Barring athletes with genetic differences or "unfair advantages" from competing is a band-aid for a bullet wound. There are much better systems so that everyone can compete with their equals fair and square, and they aren't even that hard to implement. For an example of one such system, I turn to choral singing - you may have heard of a men's chorus and a women's chorus, but internally, most siners are categorized into four vocal ranges: bass, tenor, alto, and soprano. These are purely measured based off of what range of notes a singer is capable of hitting, with bass singers being the lowest while soprano singers are the highest out of the four. None of these groups are gender exclusive - you can have a male soprano, although sopranos are predominantly female; and you can have a female bass, although basses are predominantly male. I personally know quite a few female tenors and male altos, who sing in their respective voice parts despite often being surrounded by people of the opposite gender, and who do an excellent job in their part regardless of the gender imbalance. Competitive sports can take a page out of choral singing's book and measure not by gender, but by performance on the field - using statistics like weight, height, BMI, deadlift, etc. to put players in performance brackets regardless of their gender or hormones. Especially hard-training women might move up into brackets dominated by men, while weaker or slimmer men may be moved down into one of the brackets that are predominantly female. If the standards for each bracket were tight enough in this system, every bracket would be full of equally matched players that would likely be weaker or stronger against adjacent performance brackets - much like a male alto section can hit higher notes than a female tenor section in a chorus, despite females "traditionally" having higher voices than men.

[@northernyetigaming8566]

@@ratemisia men shouldn’t be competing in woman’s sports. Period. It doesn’t fucking matter if they get hormone treatment. Create a trans league so they can compete against each other. Phelps has lost. this guy is literally never going to lose swimming against females.

[@KushLuv93]

Alot of females should do this

[@danbmx445]

This woman has some balls

[@GT-012]

😂😂😂

[@chizi5149]

😂

[@digimonalvatrax2738]

Actually a lot of them want to keep their balls. So they don't even know what they want

[@landontucker2866]

@@chizi5149 and they others to except them when they can’t except them selves. It’s quite hypocritical

[@thegovtdoesntcareaboutyou]

😂😂😂😂

[@AJX-2]

This is like a grown man beating a team of 5-year-olds in basketball and then bragging about his victory and "tuning out the haters"

[@therights6794]

“Tuning out the haters” has me weak lol

[@ClassicAudiobooksInspirations]

Better still identify as a baby, compete in the Baby Crawl Competitions, and label any hater babyphobic... or is it now theybiephobic??? Theybie Crawl Competition. The whole world has gone insane...

[@scrimpmster]

The title is incorrect. Should be Male Athlete wins Women's title

[@love-if7wt]

This ☝🏽

[@MikeBellamy2]

I feel so bad for the girls who trained so hard and sacrificed years for this type of thing to happen. SMH, praying that things change.

[@THE__BLUE]

Why he is trans 😂😂

[@zzaraz7]

They wanted equality,they got it,what do yall want now?

[@eeeeeehrg]

@@zzaraz7 This isn’t equality at all.

[@zzaraz7]

@@eeeeeehrg Um,actually lgbt leftist liberals wanted equality by all means,and now its not okax

[@intermilan9731]

@@eeeeeehrg Misogynistic transphobic prick.

[@sierrannomad]

I am LGBTQ - this is just another way women are oppressed. There should be a trans league.

[@AuroraColoradoUSA]

The League of Women Voters and the ACLU enthusiastically support it...

[@jgp1294]

THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS

[@DrivenA111]

You think there's enough for a league? It's only like 2 percent of the population, no?

[@mk_mulaking9691]

Ha so girls don't like it when we start using our equal rights if y'all can do it so can we Thomas won fairly

[@jgp1294]

@Andrzej Zieliński what do you think should be the solution? because this is madness.

[@angeliquew69]

This is ABSOULETLY OUTRAGEOUS!!!! How can a Man who decides they now want to become a woman be allowed to compete in a all women's sport?!?!? Especially when this so-called "woman" ranked somewhere in the 400's when they were competing as a man?? But now they want to be a woman an all of a sudden they are ranking #1 in ALL of women's competitive swimming matches??? This is COMPLETELY UNFAIR!!! My heart Truly breaks for ALL of the many many WOMEN who have worked and trained SOOO DAMN hard over the years to place #1 only to have their titles stripped from them by someone who has KNO RIGHT TO BE COMPETING IN A ALL WOMEN'S LEAGUE!!!!

[@AuroraColoradoUSA]

So why don't women voters do something about it...

[@angeliquew69]

@@AuroraColoradoUSA you're absolutely 100% right and I do believe if we come together not just as women but as a people we can make a difference and make a change in the Laws not just in Sports but on everything.

[@AuroraColoradoUSA]

​@@angeliquew69 This issue is almost 100% Republican versus Democrat on the state level. Men are TRYING to do something about it. Men have loved and cared for women throughout human history. But women voters have been disempowering and alienating their male counterparts for many decades. Now we have this TWILIGHT ZONE issue. Apparently there are not enough conscientious women to stop it. The ones here are interested in sports, but the vast majority couldn't care less. "I can't lie to you about your chances, but... you have my sympathies." Alien (1979).

[@mrabc5092]

Remember equality, girls wanted a place in boys Scott and everyone was silent in the name of equality. This is same thing happening again and now it's hurting women's sports. So be careful what you wish for because you might get it.

[@Mary-oz6xv]

So unfair.... damn

[@RiNiSM]

Why not just make a trans League?

[@miketexas4549]

Because it's not about the athletes, it's all about rubbing this nonsense in your face and you accepting it

[@dianemarie-is9qx]

There probably aren’t enough trans women to compete against in swimming …

[@dianemarie-is9qx]

But aside from that, he doesn’t even pass for a woman…. It’s just a man with long hair

[@busystuff23yearsago15]

LOL

[@moumita9532]

If they do then how are the looser and cowardly ones gonna win 😦

[@Uberqueenbee]

People should have walked out of the event. The women participating should have simply refused. Let them have their own category.

[@realtalk37851]

I agree

[@jamesonburgess5079]

are some of these women on scholarships? if they refused to participate would they be able to go to college? for some women this is how they pay for higher education. would choosing to do that end up hurting them when they're older? i don't know the answer to that question, just thinking out loud.

[@ratemisia]

I've posted this on another comment already, but it fits what you've said too, so I'll also contribute it here. Transgender women - that's people who were born male - have several significant advantage especially before hormone therapy, which goes away completely in all but a few areas after two years on hormone therapy. This is a significant effect, and there is justification for holding back these trans female athletes from switching sides at least until they score on tests that indicate they are within the typical performance range for female athletes in their skill bracket. However, the same "no switch" rule has been applied to transgender _male_ athletes, who are prevented from joining the men's bracket, even if they would UNDERperform in the men's bracket. After only a few months of testosterone, these athletes have a significant edge over their competitors - the exact same advantage these rules are trying to prevent. However, they are still held back, in interest of "fairness" even when they begin easily defeating any female athlete they encounter on the field. Methinks I smell some hypocrisy here. Michael Phelps is the world's fastest swimmer. He is not transgender, he was born male and always has been raised as such. He has a genetic mutation that gives him abnormally long arms, which means he has more area to push water with, and gives him an unfair advantage in the swimming pool. Should he be disqualified from competing? Under these rules, yes; but he has yet to be disqualified from a tournament on these bounds, and he won the Olympic gold medal and got his name in the world record books either way. Annet Negesa, an Olympic 800-meter run contestant, was advised to get a gonadectomy due to high testosterone levels disallowing her from competing in the women's bracket. Negesa had a genetic defect that gave her abnormally high testosterone levels despite being biologically female and taking no performance enhancing drugs - she was not transgender, she had been identified as female by a doctor at birth, and raised under a female name and identity. She went through with the surgery... this caused complications that prevented her from competing in the Olympics at all, including in the men's bracket. She was kept from competing, and even went into a potentially life-threatening surgery, despite her being more or less equal to her competitors in performance and doing everything right to get there and compete on a level playing field. Was this fair and equal? Barring athletes with genetic differences or "unfair advantages" from competing is a band-aid for a bullet wound. There are much better systems so that everyone can compete with their equals fair and square, and they aren't even that hard to implement. For an example of one such system, I turn to choral singing - you may have heard of a men's chorus and a women's chorus, but internally, most siners are categorized into four vocal ranges: bass, tenor, alto, and soprano. These are purely measured based off of what range of notes a singer is capable of hitting, with bass singers being the lowest while soprano singers are the highest out of the four. None of these groups are gender exclusive - you can have a male soprano, although sopranos are predominantly female; and you can have a female bass, although basses are predominantly male. I personally know quite a few female tenors and male altos, who sing in their respective voice parts despite often being surrounded by people of the opposite gender, and who do an excellent job in their part regardless of the gender imbalance. Competitive sports can take a page out of choral singing's book and measure not by gender, but by performance on the field - using statistics like weight, height, BMI, deadlift, etc. to put players in performance brackets regardless of their gender or hormones. Especially hard-training women might move up into brackets dominated by men, while weaker or slimmer men may be moved down into one of the brackets that are predominantly female. If the standards for each bracket were tight enough in this system, every bracket would be full of equally matched players that would likely be weaker or stronger against adjacent performance brackets - much like a male alto section can hit higher notes than a female tenor section in a chorus, despite females "traditionally" having higher voices than men.

[@Woofwoof369]

@@ratemisia idk bro too long. but cis women haven’t had swimming competition in around late 1920’s and it wasn’t even world wide. women of all other parts of the world had to still be held back from swimming competitions in late 1900s. so i think it’s unfair honestly. like you said the best swimmer has a long arms on advantage but we aren’t talking about men here. we are fighting on women’s rights. women can have inches of height and/or limbs of differences between their female opponents but it’s different when it comes to having stamina and resistance of puberty-male advantage candidate. only if lia went through transition before puberty i would be quiet but she didnt. can we also talk about kaithlyn Jenner and how she waited to transition after winning a medal on sports. that’s much fair. this world is becoming so ego centric we aren’t thinking on others competitors who literally dedicated their whole life’s

[@ratemisia]

@Todd Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.

[@nyieshahopkins6700]

Her win is nothing to celebrate. Be who you want to be but in a sport such as swimming where your one on one with the water and another athlete it shows how unfair there advantage is. I feel bad for the women who have trained so hard most of there life to be knocked out by a person with man lungs, wingspan and strength.

[@notaworldpeaceafterall6476]

*his.

[@invalidusername201]

but WAIT, according to disgusting libtards, sTrOnG wah-men can do whatever a man can and even better! What happened to your liberal ideals???

[@SamaelMoneyStein]

You're a dork you calling them what they want to be called you're part of the problem this is a man

[@makisjnx007]

B-b-but muh gender equality, m-muh equal pay!

[@inkristall]

His*

[@charlesritter6640]

So basically at some point ALL the female records will be held by men who "identify " as women. What happens when most of the female scholarships go to guys?

[@ericvalencia4602]

That’s the way it’s always been, no go clean or cook me something

[@Jay_in_Japan]

Hey I just found a great way to get into college! Thanks for the idea ^.^ I am a woman now

[@fednamorency2243]

Exactly!!!!!!!!

[@regulahdegulah1369]

Tranarchy 🤣🤣the future is now Trans

[@evolutionistheflyingspaghe2702]

@@Jay_in_JapanIn a word, “hero”!

[@yuchenko8732]

My Samoyed identifies as a Maltese and won a fluffiest Maltese competition this week. I'm so proud of her!

[@52STLULU]

Lol he ranked 462 in mens swimming, but #1 in woman’s. That’s crazy he wants to win that bad.

[@teabaganyone7830]

She ranked 462 you mean haha be quiet you nazi try to not be such a bigot tomorrow ok 👍

[@RealSupaHotFireVEVO]

@LoneShadow And the fact that they are at an obvious biological disadvantage.

[@JK_7899]

@LoneShadow it's not skill issues it's biological disadvantage

[@52STLULU]

@@JK_7899 talk your talk

[@THE__BLUE]

he is smart😂😂

[@MrPlasticdinosaur484]

It's really sad to watch a dude take over and dominate a female sport, and beat their long standing records. If nothing is done,this will be the end of female sports

[@1nhonho]

They should unite and refuse to participate when something like this happens.

[@Charlies_Factory]

To be fair female sports never really mattered. But i do agree.

[@miapdx503]

@@Charlies_Factory Never mattered to you! Sports has been a life-changer for many of us.😒

[@alanparks3402]

Good, let it be the end

[@pcpolice2518]

I think it's hilarious, republican tears always crack me up lmao

[@starinthesky451]

She literally worked her balls off to win.

[@rex9780]

I support this type of stuff. People just need to experience something bad in order to regret it. Just like the Biden Admin.

[@casvdw8204]

His

[@danielsmithiv1279]

LOOOOOOL

[@boogie2025]

His

[@sarahcorless6950]

Nope, she apparently still has her balls.

[@JohnnyBGood11]

This is sick men beating women in women's sports...this is telling men, if you cannot beat other men off your pecker and beat women.

[@xav215xl7]

I DON’T CARE if it hurts *HIS feelings....buddy you’re not a woman 🤨. Come compete with us men!

[@MonkeyFloyd]

@Wind between my cheeks ur gay

[@pcpolice2518]

only ppl who's feelings are being hurt is republicans who cry about lost elections and unfair advantages lmao, life isn't fair!

[@irene9486]

@@pcpolice2518 or is it you whiny ass libtards?

[@KushLuv93]

@Wind between my cheeks lol u got issues

[@teabaganyone7830]

Compete with you nazi’s you mean

[@carljacobson7156]

Bear in mind, that as a Male, Will Thomas, they were only ranked in the mid-400's overall Nationally, and ranked 65th in the 500 Free. Now, as 'Lia' Thomas, they were ranked #1 in the Nation as a Female, won the Nationals and has broken Ivy League and National Records in the 500 Free - just since becoming a trans-female about 1 year ago.

[@drumtwo4seven]

EXACTLY CHEATING BIG TIME WHAT A FALLACY AND IF YOU SAY ANYTHING YPU GET LABELED TRANSPHOBIC FREAKS JUST LIKE THE WI SPA INCIDENT THE DA PRESSED CHARGES

[@Nita-n4d]

says it all

[@heyshipwreck5445]

65th in the nation. Today Lia beat the #2 woman in the world.

[@Cambaudio]

I'm about to put a wig on and start competing in women's sports at 40 for some quick cash and trophies.

[@captainalex157]

He not they.

[@calvinm1866]

Sure, you can play the game alright. In your own TRANS league with other trans athletes. This is madness.

[@danielj8085]

Trans people are like 0,1% of the population.

[@jed5356]

@@danielj8085 and ? Is that not a thousand time better than to see them ruining the sport of other people ?

[@invalidusername201]

so that means they're not actually women? Just sick liberals with a mental illness who don't need advocacy and pandering?

[@ratemisia]

I've posted this on another comment already, but it fits what you've said too, so I'll also contribute it here. Transgender women - that's people who were born male - have several significant advantage especially before hormone therapy, which goes away completely in all but a few areas after two years on hormone therapy. This is a significant effect, and there is justification for holding back these trans female athletes from switching sides at least until they score on tests that indicate they are within the typical performance range for female athletes in their skill bracket. However, the same "no switch" rule has been applied to transgender _male_ athletes, who are prevented from joining the men's bracket, even if they would UNDERperform in the men's bracket. After only a few months of testosterone, these athletes have a significant edge over their competitors - the exact same advantage these rules are trying to prevent. However, they are still held back, in interest of "fairness" even when they begin easily defeating any female athlete they encounter on the field. Methinks I smell some hypocrisy here. Michael Phelps is the world's fastest swimmer. He is not transgender, he was born male and always has been raised as such. He has a genetic mutation that gives him abnormally long arms, which means he has more area to push water with, and gives him an unfair advantage in the swimming pool. Should he be disqualified from competing? Under these rules, yes; but he has yet to be disqualified from a tournament on these bounds, and he won the Olympic gold medal and got his name in the world record books either way. Annet Negesa, an Olympic 800-meter run contestant, was advised to get a gonadectomy due to high testosterone levels disallowing her from competing in the women's bracket. Negesa had a genetic defect that gave her abnormally high testosterone levels despite being biologically female and taking no performance enhancing drugs - she was not transgender, she had been identified as female by a doctor at birth, and raised under a female name and identity. She went through with the surgery... this caused complications that prevented her from competing in the Olympics at all, including in the men's bracket. She was kept from competing, and even went into a potentially life-threatening surgery, despite her being more or less equal to her competitors in performance and doing everything right to get there and compete on a level playing field. Was this fair and equal? Barring athletes with genetic differences or "unfair advantages" from competing is a band-aid for a bullet wound. There are much better systems so that everyone can compete with their equals fair and square, and they aren't even that hard to implement. For an example of one such system, I turn to choral singing - you may have heard of a men's chorus and a women's chorus, but internally, most siners are categorized into four vocal ranges: bass, tenor, alto, and soprano. These are purely measured based off of what range of notes a singer is capable of hitting, with bass singers being the lowest while soprano singers are the highest out of the four. None of these groups are gender exclusive - you can have a male soprano, although sopranos are predominantly female; and you can have a female bass, although basses are predominantly male. I personally know quite a few female tenors and male altos, who sing in their respective voice parts despite often being surrounded by people of the opposite gender, and who do an excellent job in their part regardless of the gender imbalance. Competitive sports can take a page out of choral singing's book and measure not by gender, but by performance on the field - using statistics like weight, height, BMI, deadlift, etc. to put players in performance brackets regardless of their gender or hormones. Especially hard-training women might move up into brackets dominated by men, while weaker or slimmer men may be moved down into one of the brackets that are predominantly female. If the standards for each bracket were tight enough in this system, every bracket would be full of equally matched players that would likely be weaker or stronger against adjacent performance brackets - much like a male alto section can hit higher notes than a female tenor section in a chorus, despite females "traditionally" having higher voices than men.

[@DrivenA111]

@@ratemisia Wow, didn't read it all. Was that suppose to be justification for letting a man destroy women? And you mean every sport? Including fighting??

[@thedeveloper4207]

We need a seperate Trans Swimming Championship

[@alecksteftop]

even so, the trans who were men before will beat the hell out of trans who were women before

[@Frazier16]

No one would watch

[@thedeveloper4207]

@@Frazier16 We'll leave that to the Trans themselves

[@hazybliss4069]

No. Assign them by their sex

[@mamagherbear7082]

Just put them by sex assigned at birth...

[@Panful]

1:37 nobody is saying you cant compete. they're saying compete in the fair category.

[@SweetandSourohmy]

This is disgusting and unacceptable. That is a guy plain and simple. Those girls need to stand up for themselves collectively and not compete against him. Let him swim alone in the pool.

[@julieolsen7869]

He may have been a nice young boy once, a bit feminine perhaps , then l would have called him gay.. So now he is growing still, big mans shoulders ,, big body and tall ,,, and even big mans voice, oh and also he has mens bits under his swim suit .... A man is a man and always a man.. wait for 20 years and he will want to change back, especially when he is sick of taking so many tablets each day.

[@8512124]

if woman wants equality , well this is The beginning of it , hopefully next will be boxing

[@fangsilver1977]

@@8512124 Boxing already happened with Falon Fox cracking a woman's skull.

[@bread2951]

@@8512124 Women never said that they are physically stronger or equal yo man. You are just being a d!ck by combining these.

[@dylanlove5060]

Well honey, lemme let you in on a little secret. Women have been voicing their opinions-but the trans community refuses to listen. So much for diversity and inclusivity.

[@El.Primero76]

Congratulations Lia, it takes hard work to do what you did. Hard work and balls.

[@walterdyson3570]

LOL

[@thewortmans4514]

🤣

[@budddove6480]

Bet his pops is very proud of him.

[@underexit7771]

I mean it is fair this is what people wanted and women always say they can compete with men

[@halejohn2300]

lmaooo

[@blacklight3012]

Does anyone use their eyeballs any more? Clearly thats a man😂😂. Only in the West.

[@panchodelgado6596]

Save women's sports✊

[@tylere.8436]

Save sanity!

[@invalidusername201]

libtard degeneracy conflicting with itself

[@blob5907]

transphobe

[@tylere.8436]

@@blob5907 Transphile

[@miapdx503]

@@blob5907 protecting our interests is not about fear of trans people.

[@marysamson9228]

I'm gay, I DO NOT support this!!!!

[@DrRachelRApe]

Yeah, but you opened Pandora's box. You and your kind are responsible. You are just as much a freak as this freak.

[@shawness93]

@Dr. Richard R. Ape

[@loque69]

why? may I ask. "they have right too". hmmmmmmmm

[@Blackpill149]

being gay has nothing to do with this

[@DrRachelRApe]

@@Blackpill149 It literally has everything to do with it.

[@lindatohara6438]

Message to all women swimmers competing don’t jump on the whistle he is gonna beat ya anyway let him swim alone. Every meet he competes nobody go!!!!!! Make a statement and take back our womanhood.

[@notaworldpeaceafterall6476]

i was confused too if did the female competitiors allow it and just accept their fate. they should be the one complaining not the audience or judge or us...hmmm

[@lindatohara6438]

@@notaworldpeaceafterall6476 they are complaining but that’s not working. This would make a bigger statement when the gun goes off nobody move but him!

[@FirstNameLastName-wt5to]

@@notaworldpeaceafterall6476 they have no say.

[@notaworldpeaceafterall6476]

@@lindatohara6438 they didnt do enough. imagine if everbody complained about it.

[@MrAcousticfanatic]

No one should compete against it.

[@justaperson2207]

Mr brother did cross country running at school today, with about 90 kids with a fairly equal ratio of boys and girls. He got around 12th place, and first girl to finish was about 20th place. Some other boys finished like 5 minutes before him, but he finished like 3 minutes before the winning girl.

[@laurahesse1811]

I personally think there should be a transgender sports League all of their own

[@RuddsReels]

+Laura No, not even that. Giving them that, just legitimizes their delusion of being something, because they SAY they are something.

[@xChillOutHDx]

that'd probably encourage even more people to become trans

[@isabelvelazquez6106]

@@RuddsReels they are something, it's called being trans. How does that affect you again? Anyway, I agree there should be a trans league.

[@gavinsfriend7987]

@Diamond It can't be achieved because it's delusion plain and simple.

[@Blackpill149]

@Diamond Why not let them fight men?

[@scrimshaw7470]

Gotta admit, it takes balls to pull off something like this. Very impressive 👏

[@TheSwaggaElite]

Underrated comment

[@regulahdegulah1369]

🤣🤣🤣💯

[@Z3t487]

Ahahahaha

[@trippen4391]

Lmao

[@teabaganyone7830]

Nazi shut up

[@UFRooster]

To truly be fair we need a trans man and trans woman brackets. It takes strength to be your authentic self, but let’s put everything on an even playing field. I do not agree with the situation presented in this video.

[@genericsavings]

We are going in the direction of Harrison Burgeron.

[@KevinChantal]

The problem is that they don't want that. They would feel discriminated if you open a Transgender bracket

[@SquaretailDaddy]

It’s the only right answer

[@Junksaint]

Republicans will ensure trans folks stop existing. Don't you worry. You can now get parents arrested for abuse if they help their teen transition or give them hormone blockers which are reversible.

[@anntwanettebrowne6475]

@@Junksaint Good. Kids don't know what they want for sure and these treatments change their bodies permanently, what if they change their minds once they are adults? Who is to blame, should the parents or system compete them? The kids can't take the blame, they are just kids.

[@tiffsaver]

Little Red Riding Hood to Lia Thomas: " My, what big SHOULDERS you have!!"

[@simasima9455]

*He is Biologically a male. This world is a joke 🧐.

[@user-bi8ko7kc6h]

There are reasons we've set male and female sports games separately. Our bodies built differently. It's people choice to transgender or not, I have not problem with it. But generally speaking, he still has a male structured body which provide physical benefits to win the competition. The best way to do is set another as transgender. I feel sorry to those girls.

[@ratemisia]

I've posted this on another comment already, but it fits what you've said too, so I'll also contribute it here. Transgender women - that's people who were born male - have several significant advantage especially before hormone therapy, which goes away completely in all but a few areas after two years on hormone therapy. This is a significant effect, and there is justification for holding back these trans female athletes from switching sides at least until they score on tests that indicate they are within the typical performance range for female athletes in their skill bracket. However, the same "no switch" rule has been applied to transgender _male_ athletes, who are prevented from joining the men's bracket, even if they would UNDERperform in the men's bracket. After only a few months of testosterone, these athletes have a significant edge over their competitors - the exact same advantage these rules are trying to prevent. However, they are still held back, in interest of "fairness" even when they begin easily defeating any female athlete they encounter on the field. Methinks I smell some hypocrisy here. Michael Phelps is the world's fastest swimmer. He is not transgender, he was born male and always has been raised as such. He has a genetic mutation that gives him abnormally long arms, which means he has more area to push water with, and gives him an unfair advantage in the swimming pool. Should he be disqualified from competing? Under these rules, yes; but he has yet to be disqualified from a tournament on these bounds, and he won the Olympic gold medal and got his name in the world record books either way. Annet Negesa, an Olympic 800-meter run contestant, was advised to get a gonadectomy due to high testosterone levels disallowing her from competing in the women's bracket. Negesa had a genetic defect that gave her abnormally high testosterone levels despite being biologically female and taking no performance enhancing drugs - she was not transgender, she had been identified as female by a doctor at birth, and raised under a female name and identity. She went through with the surgery... this caused complications that prevented her from competing in the Olympics at all, including in the men's bracket. She was kept from competing, and even went into a potentially life-threatening surgery, despite her being more or less equal to her competitors in performance and doing everything right to get there and compete on a level playing field. Was this fair and equal? Barring athletes with genetic differences or "unfair advantages" from competing is a band-aid for a bullet wound. There are much better systems so that everyone can compete with their equals fair and square, and they aren't even that hard to implement. For an example of one such system, I turn to choral singing - you may have heard of a men's chorus and a women's chorus, but internally, most siners are categorized into four vocal ranges: bass, tenor, alto, and soprano. These are purely measured based off of what range of notes a singer is capable of hitting, with bass singers being the lowest while soprano singers are the highest out of the four. None of these groups are gender exclusive - you can have a male soprano, although sopranos are predominantly female; and you can have a female bass, although basses are predominantly male. I personally know quite a few female tenors and male altos, who sing in their respective voice parts despite often being surrounded by people of the opposite gender, and who do an excellent job in their part regardless of the gender imbalance. Competitive sports can take a page out of choral singing's book and measure not by gender, but by performance on the field - using statistics like weight, height, BMI, deadlift, etc. to put players in performance brackets regardless of their gender or hormones. Especially hard-training women might move up into brackets dominated by men, while weaker or slimmer men may be moved down into one of the brackets that are predominantly female. If the standards for each bracket were tight enough in this system, every bracket would be full of equally matched players that would likely be weaker or stronger against adjacent performance brackets - much like a male alto section can hit higher notes than a female tenor section in a chorus, despite females "traditionally" having higher voices than men.

[@diabloakland]

You’re right they should give women testosterone for a year too and see how different it is (obviously not every woman) but testosterone is the difference men can do more

[@tortillawrapper5454]

@@ratemisia yeah good for you but noone is reading that

[@ratemisia]

@@tortillawrapper5454 Lemme put it in words you can understand, I know you struggle with reading comprehension: We can always just... _not have_ men's and women's sports. Separate sports into skill level and performance in pre-defined tests, and put people - men and women both - on the same team if they're about the same strength and skill. If men are on average stronger, the "average" men and "above average" women are in one group, while the "average" women and "below average" men are in another. Boom, problem solved. Nobody has it unfair, because everyone on all the teams performed about the same.

[@slinkiegirl2001]

100% spot on

[@lesterjones5784]

That's a man competing with woman smh

[@danielj8085]

*Transwoman. But I agree that it's unfair.

[@trannyfingerfudgejeffy4247]

I like to smell my fingers after eating cheese. 🧀

[@prowelsh56]

as a gy man I want everyone to know that many of us in the gay community do NOT agree with Lia Thompson competing like this...NO WAY! I fully respect the decision to emotionally tranistion from male to female and that discussion should be had with dignity BUT to allow this is not ok. Its just not OK. Lia Thompson must ahve been aware of the consequences on womens sports....and if not that was very selfish indeed. NO...stop this.

[@locolocoseoul]

Thanks! Its quite ridiculous..

[@jackiek710]

Ranking #462 to #1 that says it all right there.

[@brh.1892]

The thumbnail speaks a 1000 words. This is a man. A big one at that. Congratulations on your win, Emma.

[@rockscousteau]

A man in a dress. It will never look like anything other than that. Because that is what it is.

[@taco_ninja187stacocart4]

It takes a lot of balls to compete against such hardcore competition.

[@philosophybucko]

Sounds like you have none bucko

[@philosophybucko]

Picking on women like that

[@gay_putin_]

@@philosophybucko do you have autism?

[@eoghantheuntamed9613]

Not really, just two😂

[@johnb4264]

They should have their own division

[@patbateman6729]

He should be proud with that bigger heart and larger lung capacity. What a crock.

[@hentaipanda07]

*Sheds a tear * .... she is so brave facing such adversity ..... you go girl .... inspires me to identify as paraplegic , I hope I can only be so humble , if I happen to dominate in the next Paralympic games ....

[@misterx6802]

Cartman did it

[@julieolsen7869]

I want wings, so l can fly.!!!

[@nadiahope1175]

You are very, very confused!

[@bridittebargeot2679]

I'm with you! I identify as a 3 year-old, so i'm going to fight against kids 🤣

[@rockscousteau]

I am going to identify as Panda. So I can come Bang Your cover image

[@Uberqueenbee]

No, you don't deserve to get to compete against people whom you have a physically superior advantage over. Now you're just bullying. Boycott these meets

[@ratemisia]

I've posted this on another comment already, but it fits what you've said too, so I'll also contribute it here. Transgender women - that's people who were born male - have several significant advantage especially before hormone therapy, which goes away completely in all but a few areas after two years on hormone therapy. This is a significant effect, and there is justification for holding back these trans female athletes from switching sides at least until they score on tests that indicate they are within the typical performance range for female athletes in their skill bracket. However, the same "no switch" rule has been applied to transgender _male_ athletes, who are prevented from joining the men's bracket, even if they would UNDERperform in the men's bracket. After only a few months of testosterone, these athletes have a significant edge over their competitors - the exact same advantage these rules are trying to prevent. However, they are still held back, in interest of "fairness" even when they begin easily defeating any female athlete they encounter on the field. Methinks I smell some hypocrisy here. Michael Phelps is the world's fastest swimmer. He is not transgender, he was born male and always has been raised as such. He has a genetic mutation that gives him abnormally long arms, which means he has more area to push water with, and gives him an unfair advantage in the swimming pool. Should he be disqualified from competing? Under these rules, yes; but he has yet to be disqualified from a tournament on these bounds, and he won the Olympic gold medal and got his name in the world record books either way. Annet Negesa, an Olympic 800-meter run contestant, was advised to get a gonadectomy due to high testosterone levels disallowing her from competing in the women's bracket. Negesa had a genetic defect that gave her abnormally high testosterone levels despite being biologically female and taking no performance enhancing drugs - she was not transgender, she had been identified as female by a doctor at birth, and raised under a female name and identity. She went through with the surgery... this caused complications that prevented her from competing in the Olympics at all, including in the men's bracket. She was kept from competing, and even went into a potentially life-threatening surgery, despite her being more or less equal to her competitors in performance and doing everything right to get there and compete on a level playing field. Was this fair and equal? Barring athletes with genetic differences or "unfair advantages" from competing is a band-aid for a bullet wound. There are much better systems so that everyone can compete with their equals fair and square, and they aren't even that hard to implement. For an example of one such system, I turn to choral singing - you may have heard of a men's chorus and a women's chorus, but internally, most siners are categorized into four vocal ranges: bass, tenor, alto, and soprano. These are purely measured based off of what range of notes a singer is capable of hitting, with bass singers being the lowest while soprano singers are the highest out of the four. None of these groups are gender exclusive - you can have a male soprano, although sopranos are predominantly female; and you can have a female bass, although basses are predominantly male. I personally know quite a few female tenors and male altos, who sing in their respective voice parts despite often being surrounded by people of the opposite gender, and who do an excellent job in their part regardless of the gender imbalance. Competitive sports can take a page out of choral singing's book and measure not by gender, but by performance on the field - using statistics like weight, height, BMI, deadlift, etc. to put players in performance brackets regardless of their gender or hormones. Especially hard-training women might move up into brackets dominated by men, while weaker or slimmer men may be moved down into one of the brackets that are predominantly female. If the standards for each bracket were tight enough in this system, every bracket would be full of equally matched players that would likely be weaker or stronger against adjacent performance brackets - much like a male alto section can hit higher notes than a female tenor section in a chorus, despite females "traditionally" having higher voices than men.

[@mentaturbulenta5290]

Bullying its unfair

[@ChristineFlip025]

How can this guy want to compete against women….He/she has a man’s body!!!! Our country has gone insane allowing this to happen is just sick!!!!!

[@chrisparlier1386]

The world has literally became a South Park episode.

[@xavmanisdabestest]

Futurama episode too

[@yourefuked8542]

South Park and Futurama can't hold a candle to this crap. They identify as comedy cartoons not a woman.

[@quovadis9233]

Doesn't Thomas feel bad about essentially cheating in order to win?

[@cmfunk7665]

This is not just about sports. We need to stop this stuff at all costs.

[@tugboat6940]

It kind of is just about sports though

[@teabaganyone7830]

We need to stop nazis first

[@змея-у2т]

@@tugboat6940 no it's not.

[@tugboat6940]

@@змея-у2т I barely ever even see a transgender person in real life. They don't really cross my mind except for this instance. I love how the right wing apparently has transgenders on the brain 24/7

[@змея-у2т]

@@tugboat6940 they enter women's private spaces and control our language and get people to lose their job for misgendering them.

[@teonovotny4965]

This shows that men are always better in any psychical activity

[@UrbanLoadouts]

How you gonna say “openly trans” like we can’t see that is clearly, excuse me clearly “use to be” a man. Mf we got eyes lol

[@billmccaslin3595]

He is still a man, he still has all is Junk! They should a least make him cut it all off before he is allowed to compete, but he would still have XY chromosomes and still be a male!

[@constantine7382]

Still a man! Even if he gets surgery, he STILL carries the Y Chromosome, therefore ALWAYS a man.

[@MaxNitro100]

Right... Pay no attention to the whistle in her pocket 🤣🤣🤣

[@regulahdegulah1369]

That's the problem right there. It didn't "used to be" anything, he still is. He's a man. It's that wishy-washy illogical thought process that created this from the start.

[@UrbanLoadouts]

Can I identify as a middle age white man so my credit score could go up? 🤔

[@Ninabnina711]

Booooo to Lia Thomas, congratulations to the 2nd place biologically born female winner who is the true winner!

[@GODSAVEPUNKROCK]

Exactly mens body’s are more aerodynamic through water because their flatter

[@MFESPFTWKF]

1st place biologically born female*

[@tarzz25qwe]

"Man beats women at swimming" fixed the title for ya

[@stuartgray5877]

The MAN that is ruining the careers of these women should be ASHAMED OF HIMSELF.

[@MM-PrayEverydayForUS]

Victory any way you can get it. So he could beat my 93 year old dad in swimming, too. I bet that makes him proud.

[@WrangleMcDangle]

If you're on the fence about trans athletes competing as a gender they weren't born as, hear what Allanna Jones has to say. She fought Fallon Fox (born a man) in a octagon and this was her quote from after the fight: "I've fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can't answer whether it's because she was born a man or not because I'm not a doctor. I can only say, I've never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right," she stated. "Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn't move at all in Fox's clinch." Allanna had a fractured skull. She was never going to win that fight. She couldn't win that fight. This is not competition this is wrong

[@Smithworks2]

Wait a minute. How is this possible?

[@trannyfingerfudgejeffy4247]

I like to smell my fingers after eating cheese.

[@regulahdegulah1369]

If you're a liberal then you made it possible a long time ago #Tranarchy

[@kevino4372]

​@@trannyfingerfudgejeffy4247 you ll get branded a tranphobby

[@Undercoverbrotherfromanother]

I identify as mentally handicapped (I am not) I will compete in the Special Olympics and win everything!!!!!

[@tsquare610]

“If you CAN beat them, JOIN them” 😀

[@patrickoneill6821]

Receives "Woman of the Year" award in 3,2,1...

[@MaxNitro100]

I'm mean why not... Time have Caitlin woman of the year and she's got a pecker and balls

[@larakings296]

Lia Thomas won 1st place in the Transwomen division. Emma Weyant won 1st place in the Women's division.

[@scorpiothoughtsny]

Thank You for advising whom the REAL WINNER IS. Congratulations Emma!!👏🏼🎊💐🥳

[@mrabc5092]

Remember equality, girls wanted a place in boys Scott and everyone was silent in the name of equality. This is same thing happening again and now it's hurting women's sports. So be careful what you wish for because you might get it.

[@JC-er7je]

Even former past champions see 😢clearly that it is unfair.

[@JogBird]

this is only the beginning.. bybye women's sports

[@amark350]

My German Shepherd wants to be a human and compete in men's running. I'll be rich soon.

[@shaun6827]

Congratulations to the fastest woman swimmer in America Emma Weyant! The title that she rightfully won was taken by a male.

[@teabaganyone7830]

I think you mean Lia you Nazi

[@shawness93]

@@teabaganyone7830

[@serverlan763]

It takes a lot of balls to win female sports these days..

[@lexluthor6906]

it's like the fine line between reality and parody has just disappeared.

[@katherinetimper6750]

So very well said, my friend.

[@ikeluv3604]

There should be a new category for Trans men and women to compete against each other for a year or 2. That would give us and them a better idea of how fair this really is based on stats, times, wins and loses. Trans definitely deserve to compete. I'm sure they are amazing athletes. But this isn't the way to do it.

[@Stepup7]

😂😂😂

[@Thenobleone81]

Just compete with your born gender. And you can call yourself whatever you want to be called

[@hotman_pt_]

Transgender people just swim accordingly to their biological gender. The end.

[@Woofwoof369]

@@Thenobleone81 that’s how kaythlin jenner did. she didn’t transition until she got a medal in sports. that was her goal. now she won that medal and it’s living her best life as a transwoman

[@monkaZETTA]

No there shouldn't be. Just cancel that crap.

[@GalactusOG]

This is cheating.

[@mannyflores9161]

now let’s put that man or trans on a competition about who can get pregnant quicker he can compete against any lady and let’s see how he does

[@keithrobinson5752]

You can notice that the other trans athlete does not compete as the gender they now say they are, but the one they started with, guess the female to male switch is a bit more of a problem, if you wish to win, than the other way around.

[@cluelessfisherman4555]

Not fair for the whole sport!....can I identify as autistic so I can be in the Special Olympics?....They need to have a transgender league to make it fair for everyone!

[@ratemisia]

I've posted this on another comment already, but it fits what you've said too, so I'll also contribute it here. Transgender women - that's people who were born male - have several significant advantage especially before hormone therapy, which goes away completely in all but a few areas after two years on hormone therapy. This is a significant effect, and there is justification for holding back these trans female athletes from switching sides at least until they score on tests that indicate they are within the typical performance range for female athletes in their skill bracket. However, the same "no switch" rule has been applied to transgender _male_ athletes, who are prevented from joining the men's bracket, even if they would UNDERperform in the men's bracket. After only a few months of testosterone, these athletes have a significant edge over their competitors - the exact same advantage these rules are trying to prevent. However, they are still held back, in interest of "fairness" even when they begin easily defeating any female athlete they encounter on the field. Methinks I smell some hypocrisy here. Michael Phelps is the world's fastest swimmer. He is not transgender, he was born male and always has been raised as such. He has a genetic mutation that gives him abnormally long arms, which means he has more area to push water with, and gives him an unfair advantage in the swimming pool. Should he be disqualified from competing? Under these rules, yes; but he has yet to be disqualified from a tournament on these bounds, and he won the Olympic gold medal and got his name in the world record books either way. Annet Negesa, an Olympic 800-meter run contestant, was advised to get a gonadectomy due to high testosterone levels disallowing her from competing in the women's bracket. Negesa had a genetic defect that gave her abnormally high testosterone levels despite being biologically female and taking no performance enhancing drugs - she was not transgender, she had been identified as female by a doctor at birth, and raised under a female name and identity. She went through with the surgery... this caused complications that prevented her from competing in the Olympics at all, including in the men's bracket. She was kept from competing, and even went into a potentially life-threatening surgery, despite her being more or less equal to her competitors in performance and doing everything right to get there and compete on a level playing field. Was this fair and equal? Barring athletes with genetic differences or "unfair advantages" from competing is a band-aid for a bullet wound. There are much better systems so that everyone can compete with their equals fair and square, and they aren't even that hard to implement. For an example of one such system, I turn to choral singing - you may have heard of a men's chorus and a women's chorus, but internally, most siners are categorized into four vocal ranges: bass, tenor, alto, and soprano. These are purely measured based off of what range of notes a singer is capable of hitting, with bass singers being the lowest while soprano singers are the highest out of the four. None of these groups are gender exclusive - you can have a male soprano, although sopranos are predominantly female; and you can have a female bass, although basses are predominantly male. I personally know quite a few female tenors and male altos, who sing in their respective voice parts despite often being surrounded by people of the opposite gender, and who do an excellent job in their part regardless of the gender imbalance. Competitive sports can take a page out of choral singing's book and measure not by gender, but by performance on the field - using statistics like weight, height, BMI, deadlift, etc. to put players in performance brackets regardless of their gender or hormones. Especially hard-training women might move up into brackets dominated by men, while weaker or slimmer men may be moved down into one of the brackets that are predominantly female. If the standards for each bracket were tight enough in this system, every bracket would be full of equally matched players that would likely be weaker or stronger against adjacent performance brackets - much like a male alto section can hit higher notes than a female tenor section in a chorus, despite females "traditionally" having higher voices than men.

[@JAYSPLASHMUSIC]

the ringer

[@aprilrae6551]

Yes . Thomas is a ringer just like 'Juwanna Mann'.

[@michaelhaines3451]

And this isn't a parody comedy skit, this is real life now! If I don't laugh at it I'll cry....

[@tomcat8445]

0:20 bruh the mofo has deeper voice than me💀

[@farouk7336]

Imagine if LeBron James realizes one day he’s trapped in the wrong body and wants to compete as a Woman in the WNBA. Would that be fair? Of course not, he would score 250 points a game! Trans athletes should compete against other trans athletes. Period

[@windycityliz7711]

Or, they can be trans but still "swim in their lane", so to speak. Will/Lia could still swim on the men's team.

[@brandons334]

That was a Dave Chappelle joke

[@ratemisia]

I've posted this on another comment already, but it fits what you've said too, so I'll also contribute it here. Transgender women - that's people who were born male - have several significant advantage especially before hormone therapy, which goes away completely in all but a few areas after two years on hormone therapy. This is a significant effect, and there is justification for holding back these trans female athletes from switching sides at least until they score on tests that indicate they are within the typical performance range for female athletes in their skill bracket. However, the same "no switch" rule has been applied to transgender _male_ athletes, who are prevented from joining the men's bracket, even if they would UNDERperform in the men's bracket. After only a few months of testosterone, these athletes have a significant edge over their competitors - the exact same advantage these rules are trying to prevent. However, they are still held back, in interest of "fairness" even when they begin easily defeating any female athlete they encounter on the field. Methinks I smell some hypocrisy here. Michael Phelps is the world's fastest swimmer. He is not transgender, he was born male and always has been raised as such. He has a genetic mutation that gives him abnormally long arms, which means he has more area to push water with, and gives him an unfair advantage in the swimming pool. Should he be disqualified from competing? Under these rules, yes; but he has yet to be disqualified from a tournament on these bounds, and he won the Olympic gold medal and got his name in the world record books either way. Annet Negesa, an Olympic 800-meter run contestant, was advised to get a gonadectomy due to high testosterone levels disallowing her from competing in the women's bracket. Negesa had a genetic defect that gave her abnormally high testosterone levels despite being biologically female and taking no performance enhancing drugs - she was not transgender, she had been identified as female by a doctor at birth, and raised under a female name and identity. She went through with the surgery... this caused complications that prevented her from competing in the Olympics at all, including in the men's bracket. She was kept from competing, and even went into a potentially life-threatening surgery, despite her being more or less equal to her competitors in performance and doing everything right to get there and compete on a level playing field. Was this fair and equal? Barring athletes with genetic differences or "unfair advantages" from competing is a band-aid for a bullet wound. There are much better systems so that everyone can compete with their equals fair and square, and they aren't even that hard to implement. For an example of one such system, I turn to choral singing - you may have heard of a men's chorus and a women's chorus, but internally, most siners are categorized into four vocal ranges: bass, tenor, alto, and soprano. These are purely measured based off of what range of notes a singer is capable of hitting, with bass singers being the lowest while soprano singers are the highest out of the four. None of these groups are gender exclusive - you can have a male soprano, although sopranos are predominantly female; and you can have a female bass, although basses are predominantly male. I personally know quite a few female tenors and male altos, who sing in their respective voice parts despite often being surrounded by people of the opposite gender, and who do an excellent job in their part regardless of the gender imbalance. Competitive sports can take a page out of choral singing's book and measure not by gender, but by performance on the field - using statistics like weight, height, BMI, deadlift, etc. to put players in performance brackets regardless of their gender or hormones. Especially hard-training women might move up into brackets dominated by men, while weaker or slimmer men may be moved down into one of the brackets that are predominantly female. If the standards for each bracket were tight enough in this system, every bracket would be full of equally matched players that would likely be weaker or stronger against adjacent performance brackets - much like a male alto section can hit higher notes than a female tenor section in a chorus, despite females "traditionally" having higher voices than men.

[@windycityliz7711]

@@ratemisia Nice try, using outliers to define the category. It won't work. Phelps trained rigorously or his advantages would have been for nothing. Many many of his races were quite close. There are no means for making competition artificially equal. But - protecting women's sports (which in living memory did not exist for the majority of girls/women) IS a goal we can and should accomplish.

[@monkaZETTA]

No they should compete with men, because they're men as well.

[@tajam4769]

So much for women’s sports….

[@regulahdegulah1369]

RIP it was fun while it lasted🤷🏾‍♂️ #Tranarchy

[@kodx186]

“A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, 'You are mad; you are not like us.” St. Antony the Great

[@nordicblood8470]

Its unfair plain and simple.

[@MohammedM66]

That man swimmer should be ashamed of himself

[@ajerome321]

woman*

[@tracynt]

MAN

[@jonnnyonion]

What a coward.

[@lestatsebastian666]

What’s truly hilarious is the fact that had any of these women who competed against Tommy, had taken steroids(to actually get a fair advantage) and would have gotten popped for them, there is no doubt in my mind that they would get crucified, suspended, and titles stripped.

[@collom]

That one South Park episode is coming to fruition lol. There should be a trans league

[@Grillinnap]

“We deserve to play the game” Yeah you do, but with fellow transgenders

[@JustPierreMusic]

SAVE WOMEN'S SPORTS

[@PV96]

We teach young girls to have confidence in themselves, to reach for the stars, that if they work hard enough and persevere they can achieve anything. Then, we allow a man who simply says he identifies as female, to compete against women and hand him all the medals, the rankings and the glory. Who in their right mind thinks this is fair?? We are simply continuing male domination over females.

[@yourefuked8542]

Or watching society take a crap on itself then flushing.

[@queenb5189]

Well said! It‘s horrific!!

[@jstone247]

I too, am a feminist and left of centre. I support minority and gay rights. Trans people have a right to express themselves socially, but they cannot be regarded as full females on competitive levels. Including trans women in full women's sports IS NOT A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.

[@AuroraColoradoUSA]

Too bad the majority of women couldn't care less about girls' sports (you know, like the League of Women Voters and the ACLU). It's part of your tangled web. We are stuck with it...

[@danielpenn1734]

I have a idea, all the trans sports people just make a program just for them. Let the men in a dress compete with other men in a dress.

[@ConvictedFelon2024]

I'm with Richard Dawkins on this one. When it comes to athletics (as opposed to something mental, like academics), your biology (sex) is what matters, not your psychology (gender). She should have either competed in the men's team or in a separate league for trans and nonbinary athletes.

[@basedmed258]

imagine calling him a she lol. you people are part of the problem

[@Sharmuta6311]

*He

[@itv5610]

@@Sharmuta6311 she you moron

[@nadiahope1175]

If he doesn't want to be "He", "It" fits him well

[@alexisalex702]

LibLeft moment

[@throwingshit]

it's amazing how this man broke the womans record in swimming. he sure showed women they are slower than men. Any competition this guy is in, all the women should boycott the event!... so should all the spectators!!!!

[@Court-And-Crime-With-Tia]

Yes indeed. Let him and his coach and his fans be the only people showing up.

[@windycityliz7711]

Trans-athletes have always existed and deserve to compete? Sure. Will/Lia CAN continue to compete - on the men's team. But what Will/Lia really seems to want is to win, no matter who it hurts. That's a whole other thing.

[@Summer-ju4pj]

Why cant transgended have there own sport category

[@mamagherbear7082]

They could just be assigned to the sport that corresponds with their sex at birth...