Transformers Rise of the Beasts made me miss Michael Bay...

🎬 In this FilmSpeak video essay we discuss why Transformers Rise of the Beasts made me miss Michael Bay and why Rise of the Beasts is a bad movie.
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In this Rise of the Beasts video essay, we delve into the highly anticipated Transformers film, "Transformers: Rise of the Beasts," and explore why it left us yearning for the earlier Michael Bay Transformers films and ultimately fails as an adaptation of the beloved Beast Wars series, AND...questionably includes G.I. Joe.
⭐️ A Step Backward in the Transformers Universe
While the Transformers franchise has undergone numerous iterations over the years, Beast Wars holds a special place in the hearts of many fans. Unfortunately, "Rise of the Beasts" seems to have taken a step backward in terms of storytelling and character development, leaving us wanting more. The Maximals are hardly utilized outside of Optimus Primal, and Rise of the Beasts lacks the overall heart and emotional connection that made Bumblebee so successful.
💥 Missing Michael Bay's Signature Style
Say what you will about Michael Bay's Transformers films, but they undeniably had a distinct style and grandeur that kept us on the edge of our seats. "Rise of the Beasts" fails to capture that same level of excitement, with its subdued, bland, concrete action sequences and lackluster visual effects, leaving us longing for the explosive and visually stunning spectacles that defined the earlier films.
🦖 A Lackluster Adaptation of Beast Wars
Beast Wars introduced us to a unique and captivating storyline, exploring the conflict between the Maximals and Predacons in their animalistic forms. However, "Rise of the Beasts" fails to fully embrace the essence of Beast Wars, leaving fans of the original series feeling disappointed and disconnected. Not only that, but the Maximals are hardly in the film! Moreover, we address the controversial inclusion of G.I. Joe in this new Transformers film. While crossovers can be exciting, the forced integration of these two beloved franchises feels like a desperate attempt to reinvigorate a dated brand. We explore the missed opportunities and creative limitations that arise from this collaboration, ultimately leaving us disheartened with the direction of the Transformers franchise.
🎬 Our Take on the Film's Shortcomings
Griffin (@griffschiller) gives you his Transformers Rise of the Beasts review and explains the huge problem with Transformers Rise of the Beasts, why Rise of the Beasts failed, why Transformers Rise of the Beasts is a bad movie, the problem with the new transformers movie and more in this Rise of the Beasts video essay and Rise of the Beasts analysis. Enjoy this Transformers Rise of the Beasts explained and ending explained video!
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Optimus Prime and the Autobots take on their biggest challenge yet. When a new threat capable of destroying the entire planet emerges, they must team up with a powerful faction of Transformers known as the Maximals to save Earth. Transformers 7 is directed by Steven Caple Jr. and stars Anthony Ramos, Dominique Fishback, Peter Cullen, Pete Davidson, Ron Perlman, Michelle Yeoh, Peter Dinklage, and Coleman Domingo.
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[@FilmSpeak]

What did YOU think of Transformers Rise of the Beasts? 😅 Is the Transformers franchise in a better place? Comment below!💥

[@taylormoler7279]

Rise of the beasts is the best live action transformers

[@kunalkishore2897]

Bro Micheal bay ruined the franchise this video of yours i strongly disagree even if this movie isn't the best it is atleast third best movie of franchise.

[@pushkardivakar5912]

Bro you just need to get some sleep Cuz yo are talking rubbish. Because Transformers Rise of the beasts is the best Transformers movie of all time like legit man. I think filmspeak is seriously disturbed! You gotta get help.

[@gregoryjohns3941]

By the way, Rise of The Beasts and Bumblebee are reboots. They don't fit in the Michael Bay's Transformers movies.

[@gabmoreno280]

Hello FilmSpeak I feel the exactly the same I feel like they needed Michael Bay and yeah I grew up on those Michael bay transformers movies and they had a much better Social commentary on the Immigration having the transformers as Literal Aliens being hunted down by the humans after T3 because that how it always is "my enemy of my enemy is my friend " until they complete their purpose and then get rid of them, they even talk about Police Brutality and the ideas of Commercialism stealing the transformers identity to make something altered. yes can the stereotypical robots be hmmmm yes they can but the point is they have a policital message about the world we are in today U just got to peel back the layers of the Michael Bay Transformers films (in which in my opinion are extremely Underrated) The new movie is good it needs a longer runtime but it can (its needs to be) be better As for the new franchise I'm both scared and hopeful it may be good but as of right now, I feel like I'm missing a huge delicious flavor that Michael Bay brought to the table

[@jimmkekw]

I think the overcomplex design of the Bay films are much cooler than these ones. That's one of the core things that got me interested in the films when I was little

[@tfyk5623]

Same. The over complex bots make their transformation so much more that great

[@PieroMinayaRojas]

It's called good design

[@zaisfantasticdiscoverys7710]

@@PieroMinayaRojashunks of metal aren’t good

[@baphometh5531]

​@@zaisfantasticdiscoverys7710armored humanoid is not good either

[@zaisfantasticdiscoverys7710]

@@baphometh5531 why wouldn’t a advanced alien species that is currently in a war and is capable of traveling to different planets have armor

[@SourRobo8364]

I went back and rewatched Transformers (2007) after seeing ROTB and realized, "We really to the first one for granted." The action, music, characters, and cinematography were far ahead of what we are getting today.

[@zachariahsmith9130]

Youre kidding yourself. That movie is cringy as shit and there arent really any transformers in the Movie. The action wasnt that great.

[@zachariahsmith9130]

@qtsssim no that movie did not make a lot of sense. Like the fact that Megs got lost in the Arctic trying to find the cube.......so how did he imprint on the glasses the coordinates? Simply put, if he had them he wouldnt have had to go anywhere near the poles. Starscream didnt have any issues.....also.....how did he get there? We can just fly to cybertron now, which is a whole galaxy away? He doesnt appear to move at lightspeed. Also why didnt Optimus just tell sam to shove the cube in Megatrons chest to begin with? If they knew it would only kill the bot who did that......seems like an easy solution to me. Also is the US military so dumb they couldnt have figured any of the hacking out? For all Bays military love he doesnt always paint them as the most competent. I can assure you the military would have very quickly figured out the decepticons were hacking the system. This was all to find the glasses? How did they know they existed and could take them where they wanted to go?

[@knightofthelake8112]

​@@zachariahsmith9130 Megatron wasn't lost, he crash-landed on earth, it can be explained by a lot of things like the new gravitational pull, and we know most transformers can't deal with freezing cold from other transformers continuities. Megatron knew where the cube was, it's an energy source that he can detect as long as it's not shielded by the military like what was done in the movie later on by sector 7. Starscream can travel pretty fast in his cybertronian form, all transformers in their protoforms can when they take the form of a meteor, starscream arrived the same way the autobots did, even by the end of TF07 we saw him transform into a new advanced form to reach the fallen. Starscream isn't limited to his F22 speed. He is an alien robot lol. Optimus didn't know for sure the cube can kill him or Megatron, according to his discussion with ratchet, the allspark is an energy source, ratchet said it could destroy them both, however what of it wasn't enough to kill? That would result in powering Megatron up lol, even a shard revived him from the dead, imagine what would happen if he survived the energy of the whole thing??? It's GG. The military ain't dumb, the deceptions mainly used cybertronian coding so the military wouldn't know what was hacking their database.

[@zachariahsmith9130]

@knightofthelake8112 one he was lost. That half assed explanaituon doesnt cover it. That didnt happen to any other transformer. Dont act like that was a logical explanation. Im much smarter than you are (no offense) so inconsistencies will be picked apart You explanation for starscream proves my point. He wasnt faster than megatron in vehicle mode. Watch the movie Clearly they did know the cube would kill Megatron, Ratchet flat out says it No the miltary isnt dumb, thats my whole point. I dunno if you were ever in the military but if you dont think they take aliens serious, youre insane. They would have recognized that immediately and would have been trying to figure out what aliens and not what country. Trust me on that

[@knightofthelake8112]

@@zachariahsmith9130 Again it's not stated that he is lost so I don't know how you reached such a retarded conclusion, the Allspark can be detected as proven by sector 7 when they had to shield it in order to cover the energy it emits constantly, megatron simply can locate it via his sensors and engrave the coordinates. All the info you need is there, if you are indeed smarter than me you wouldn't need me to explain things to you. You can say you are more knowledgeable than me and I wouldn't comment on such statement, on the otherhand you have no way of knowing whether you are smarter than me or not, it's not like we went through an IQ test together lmao. Your arrogance is the sign of an immature man 💁 The transformers can't survive freezing temperatures unless they turn off their systems, it's already a thing in other continuities (Transformers Prime) where optimus and arcee were gonna die because of that. Starscream being slower than megatron is your head canon, the seekers in most continuities are faster than megatron anyway and starscream is one of them, his speed isn't limited to his earthling vehicle mode. Ratchet said that the cube's raw power COULD DESTROY THEM BOTH, optimus wasn't sure in the first place when he said he would fuse it with his spark, ratchet simply told him that in worst case the energy might be too much for him and in return it might be enough to kill him. With megatron they have no way to know if it will be too much for him, worst case scenario would be that he might get a power up. You are too stuck in your hater boner that you can't even make sense. This is my last reply so you are free to say whatever the hell you want 👍

[@CherrySumBurst]

i think it has the batman vs superman problem, where it tried to do a big thing too fast. Like Unicron was supposed to be the biggest villain in the verse, but its only the second film and i don't think they've even mentioned Megatron in either reboot films. They also wanted their "Endgame finale" scene but the thing that made that work was the culmination of all the the Marvel characters, but there"s not even 10 characters total in the final scene.

[@apperushredder]

i think they should have been done a classic autobots vs decepticons type thing for this movie. it would be a better start (i don't count bumblebee as a start considering it's a spin off)

[@CherrySumBurst]

@@apperushredder autobots vs decepticons would be cool, tho the bumblebee movie is mentioned in the ROTB so i would be inclined to believe that it is the starting point

[@apperushredder]

@@CherrySumBurst i mean it would be a better start after the events of bumblebee. you get it wrong i am not saying they were unrelated. i mean imagine a live action movie in G1 like designs with a final battle with The Touch

[@Fenris30]

Unicron was more of a Insert Anime "The Movie" type villain then an overarching bad guy. Just one and done. If anything the Quintessons were a bigger threat then Unicron who ended up as just a head orbiting Cybertron.

[@kp1x]

BvS did have that problem, but still handled it wayyyy better than ROTB. At least it made sense in BvS. That doomsday was 14% capacity of the real doomsday and still clipped Superman. Badass representation of the power scales for characters that aren’t even introduced yet.

[@chasebishop309]

ngl i was fine with them not giving a lot of time to the humans. noah was cool but it would get old if he was crying the whole movie and the other girl honestly was just there.

[@edit-m2h691]

i don't get his hate for the designs of the robots bumblebee movie was the same shatter and dropkick took more from the bay designs bro's just overreacting

[@trueinnovator7207]

@@edit-m2h691 Tbh, this video feels like he started being a fan from Micheal Bay's transformers instead of being the fan of the franchise as a whole. Seriously, old fans praise Knight and Cable for giving little time to human, and actually focused more on making the fight less shaky and less explosive.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

@@edit-m2h691 They don't look the same by any means , unless you are blind of course , compare this Optimus design to the last one , its like they made his arms thinned and a wider chest , and toned down his colors . cmon dude don't lie like that

[@mroscar7474]

@@spinosaurusstrikerOh no, Optimus isn’t exactly the same as the one before it, oh the humanity. Whatever are we going to do if they keep changing the look of characters slightly constantly? It’s almost like this film is apart of a toy company’s most prized franchises and selling the same looking toy could potentially mess with sales. You know what I hated the most about Iron Man’s character in the MCU? All the different suits when Mark III was perfect, not like his character is about upgrading, nooo. Transformers shouldn’t *transform* their appearance either

[@spinosaurusstriker]

@@mroscar7474 Its like you ignored completly what my point is, bumblebee has 3 models in his movie, shatter and dropkick too. But they in any moment, completly change their arm size or head /body ratio, because that would make them look weird. You just don't know anything about character design. -ROTB fans when someone fuu6ks their wives (its ok because its optimus prime, and if the transformers have more screentime nothing else matters)

[@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203]

Bay formers robots werent overdesigned. It's just haters who wanted their stupid G1 designs in live action. the first scene of bumblebee looked like videogame, not like something you would see in an alien world.

[@kristersv3564]

Preach brother, straight facts are coming out of your mouth

[@Mothbean]

Thank you. I could go on an entire rant about why Bayverse Devastator is infinitely better than his G1 counterpart and should be the gold standard of combiners, but I won't. Like I do like the BBM designs for the characters we see on Cybertron, but I'm so sick of people acting like they're perfection. They were made in a rush after test audience feedback and it shows, with all of them reusing bits of the cast from the rest of the movie. There are some who look better than their Bayverse counterparts, don't get me wrong (Soundwave and Arcee spring to mind) but there are also some who are absolutely blown out of the water by their Bayverse counterparts. BV Starscream and Shockwave are just better designs than their BBM counterparts, and I honestly think BV Ironhide is the best version of the character. I'm just so fed up with everyone sucking off the rush-job designs in the intro because "muh G1" and ignoring the same movie's absolutely incredible designs that genuine effort went into like Shatter, Dropkick, Bee, and motherfucking Blitzwing, who I think is the absolute perfect blend of Bayverse and classic aesthetics.

[@kp1x]

Bro this mf is spitting. to hell with them g1 glazing boomers they should’ve stayed in the 80s

[@kp1x]

Bro this mf is spitting 😂🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@smaugsauron4000]

I also hate how people say that Michael Bay ruined the franchise. No he didn't he actually helped the franchise be relevant and without his movies you wouldn't get the amazing shows like Transformers animated and Transformers prime.

[@adangarcia464]

You can crap on Michael bay all you want but homie knows how to shoot an action film

[@reidpattis3127]

Transformers 1-3 you could tell were passion projects for Michael bay. And it just oozes with love and respect for the characters. Transformers 4 and 5 were cash grabs and feel like the studio forced him to make the movie. The first 3 Transformers were extremely underrated.

[@tonyten39]

I definitely agree with your comment

[@HishamA.N_Comicbroe]

Agreed. I really like Sam.

[@thebonk7138]

HELL YEA FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT

[@bossmine3997]

​@@HishamA.N_ComicbroeSam is great

[@austincarlson9270]

2 was so shit lol

[@BraveBladeProductions]

Say what you will about Michael Bay, but the man knows how to direct good action.

[@WonderOfu231]

I like g1 design, but yeah bayverse action ita best

[@Ruleof2Review]

Even though I really enjoy the first 4 as well as RotB I actually COMPLETELY agree with you. I’ve recently rewatched them all and all I could think of is exactly what you said: Bay’s framing and action shooting is unmatched. And an all-CG robot fight doesn’t come anywhere near that level of technicality.

[@taifuskies3889]

What i love about this movie is that both the humans and the transformers had a balanced screen time and the characters had a lot of personality, but unfortunately for the Bayverse the humans got more screen time than the transformers, the only bots that had characterization was Optimus, Bee and Megatron, the rest of the bots and cons were just used for battle scenes

[@godzilla5742]

Sentinel Prime had a lot of great characterization and was more than just a generic bad guy like how all the villains are in the other transformers films, but that's just my opinion.

[@taifuskies3889]

@@godzilla5742 true but don’t get me wrong i love the Bayverse movies they are the reason why im into transformers but i just wished the transformers had more screen time and the only humans i liked during these movies were Lenox, Epps and Simons

[@godzilla5742]

@@taifuskies3889 I certainly understand.

[@nickcrawford3836]

Why would you watch a TRANSFORMERS movie for humans. if you want humans watch a HUMAN movie silly goose.

[@godzilla5742]

@@nickcrawford3836 did any of us say anything about watching the transformers movies just for the humans? The answer is no.

[@oscarstainton]

I found this film to be passable, not as heartfelt as Bumblebee, not as visually dazzling as Transformers 2007 (and half of the third one), but I had a good time. But that's also the problem; "a good time" or "passable" isn't enough to carve out a niche for audiences to keep coming back and to keep the franchise fresh. I don't think bringing back Bay is the answer, just if Caple Jr learn a few new visual tricks if he is to stay on board. My little complaint was while Optimus Primal and Airazor had a lot of great scenes, Cheetor and Rhinox were all but wasted! Come on, give my favourite feline transformer some time to shine alongside Bumblebee! And Rhinox didn't even get a line, when he's supposed to be the smartest of the Maximals

[@thatkidkreme7877]

Exactly the title was misleading. No beast were risen in this

[@hydrodiamond7088]

@@thatkidkreme7877 2:00 My beast was certainly risen in this

[@Random_YouTuber434]

@@hydrodiamond7088 💀💀💀☠☠☠☠☠☠☠ now way bro said that

[@hydrodiamond7088]

@@Random_KZbinr434 that was me 9 months ago, idk what I was on 💀

[@thebestspider]

I think it’s refreshing that the final battle does not take place in a major city and without the involvement of the military. That aspect of the previous films have been done to death. Plus it showcases the transformers more with the only human characters being the 2 main ones we followed throughout the film. Which is what most fans seem to want, more transformers and less humans. Sure, there are things that could have been done better, but by no means do I miss Bay. I liked 1-3, but after that it just kept getting worse and worse and more of the same.

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

Thing is... does it have to make place in a mass of grey against grey bad guys? Like even the first trailer which had this colored brown at least looked somewhat more visually interesting.

[@thebestspider]

@@the-aspiring-creator4249 I don’t disagree. They definitely could’ve found a better environment that was more pleasing to the eyes. That’s why I said there are things that could’ve been done better. The point of my response was that it didn’t make me miss Michael Bay.

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

@@thebestspider I'd say it does. I mean not by much but with the grey mass it looks like someone jacked the saturation down to zero.

[@thebestspider]

@@the-aspiring-creator4249 I was actually agreeing with you 😂 it definitely didn’t have to take place in the bland environment. Would’ve liked something similar to the opening sequence in Bumblebee for sure. But overall didn’t bother me as much as it did for everyone else.

[@arizeta3540]

Refreshing?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 if you are cinema goer this concept of fighting for world ending with McMuffin.Stament overuse is understatement......is the same over and over and over again just change the map I guess 🤣....this empty space of land is basically the same as TF last knight 🤣

[@Afrotistic]

I agree this movie could have been better but it wasn't bad and the action wasn't hard to follow. Honestly the only things I wish were different: spent more time with the maximals and the ending with that job interview scene

[@Archive_7802]

This pretty much sums up what I thought of the film. For me, an easy 8/10. I liked it.

[@selimtrev720]

I would rather have the Maximals have more screen time than the Autobots because I love those characters and this is the first time we’ve seen them in Live Action form. I still had a great time though, just could’ve wished I’d see them more especially in their robot modes.

[@KevinJohnson-cv2no]

I wanted to see more examples of the power of the Terra/Terrorcons. Making a deal with the biggest bad in the Transformers universe, they should have been overpowering and showing off OP weapons left & right. Every time they were on the screen should've been a "they can do that??" or "they're that strong??" moment. We get a few with Scourge, but the other two are neglected. Nightbird deserved better

[@avalac7412]

@@KevinJohnson-cv2noI completely agree the other two aside from scourge felt sorta like a let down, we should’ve seen a lot more back story on them when they pleaded their loyalty to unicorn originally

[@barrett206]

it was awful

[@superadambomb5834]

I think another problem with this movie was the dialogue. Now I’m not gonna pretend that the writing for the bay movies were ingenious or anything but some of the lines in those movies were just cold. “What would you be without me prime?” “Time to find out.” That was so frikin raw. But here all the one liners are all stuff that we’ve already seen in thousands of other movies.

[@rocksreviewsreactions337]

Except for the line, "Time to show you the real power of the Primes!" That was a cool one.

[@porsche-sandoesnotundersta8184]

@@rocksreviewsreactions337 but kinda missplaced specially when Prime just shoved his big glowing energon sword up The Evil Guy's Mouth. Could've been better added in a comeback after getting beaten for a couple of minutes when he gets mocked again, then show Prime be ruthless in his moves.

[@alexanderpalmarin7840]

​@@porsche-sandoesnotundersta8184not gonna lie trans 5 where megatron saying to prime "We were brother once" then prime replied "Once" before kicking him is badass

[@kerrex86]

@@alexanderpalmarin7840even though that was the fullest extent of that character arc

[@juanmanuelcardona19]

Or YOU’LL NEVER STOP AT ONE! I’LL TAKE YOU ALL ON!

[@alexivankov1874]

*Bayverse was better*

[@vishnugopalawasthi5888]

Not really

[@IWANT2ARGUE]

​@vishnugopalawasthi5888 1 and 3 was definitely better than rotb

[@vishnugopalawasthi5888]

@@IWANT2ARGUE only 1 ,dotm isn't better. If not for that insane 3rd act it would've been worse than rotf .

[@MegaCharizardX2op]

​@@vishnugopalawasthi5888Nah, movies 1 to 3 is definitely way better than RotB.

[@vishnugopalawasthi5888]

@@MegaCharizardX2op only the first one . 3rd is Heavily overrated by it over the the top action sequences which shouldn't be the first priority even when you're making a gigantic summer blockbuster. & since Rotb is obviously written better than dotm so it I'd always prefer rotb over dotm .

[@Nicholasmcmath-cr1xl]

Dark of the moon was pretty good

[@tonyten39]

I agree

[@metal_fusion]

@@tonyten39 Make that 3x!

[@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203]

1 to 4 were good.

[@Shhh993]

Easily the best movie

[@Smackrecker]

Best one imo

[@thunderwolfwyvern6314]

Never thought I’d see day where someone would praise Bayformers but criticize Knightverse. Amazing. As a Bayverse fan, this is based lmao.

[@Rushking20]

Facts i dont count 4 and 5 bay wasnt trying he was forced back if you just look at 1-3 it was peak

[@user-or4cj8bi3v]

I see you are the man of culture as well

[@LordSalazarsRevenge]

Bay is the 🐐

[@lock664]

i liked the film, but i think they played it too safe, tried leaning to both action packed and heartfelt aspects of Bay and Knight, without succeed in anything. They could've removed the Bayformers generic plot and focused in developing humans and the bots too. There's so much potential in the Autobot, Maximals and even Terrorcons, but somehow they couldn't be decisive and displayed these characters the blandest way possible... well at least Prime, Primal and Mirage are interesting. I'm just disappointed we didnt get enough.

[@EFANZPro]

Yes I agreed with this comment... When I watched ROTB I felt something wasn't enough... Left a lot to desire with

[@Archive_7802]

At least they’re going with them in the next movies… hopefully.

[@lock664]

@@Archive_7802 i am scared of the next movie knowing it'll slightly be a G.I Joe crossover

[@MR_stone69]

I just hate the Humans in the movie I just want to see a transformers without fu*king humans

[@OnettBoyXD]

@@Archive_7802 F**k that, why would I want to wait for another film if this one was a disappointment. I can tell you're a NPC.

[@DarkSentinel52]

bayverse has better soundtrack and sound design

[@Floory2009]

Better action too

[@hypergidra2407]

There is one part you got wrong, this movie is set after bumblebee but it is not a prequel to the bay films. Bumblebee was a soft reboot so.. yeah

[@user-lx4lc2bx2d]

Actually lorenzo confirmed it is not a reboot and caple said it isn't a reboot as well it is a sequel and a prequel IDK all this stuff is confusing

[@hypergidra2407]

@@user-lx4lc2bx2d true..

[@user-lx4lc2bx2d]

@@hypergidra2407 i have made a mind blowing theory if unicron wanna hear it

[@ShadwRavn]

Shooting had no impact at all. Like in the Michel bay movies every shot count. Now they use nerf guns half the time. So underwhelming

[@sealco]

They reused tons of shots in those movies, and what do you mean nerf guns?

[@ShadwRavn]

@@sealco half the time when they shot eachother they didn t react . In the Michel bay movies shots had impact and did damage. In rise of the beast some shots destroy them and some do nothing. Shooting just isn t satisfying

[@sealco]

@@ShadwRavn thats the same with bayverse they just hid it better

[@ShadwRavn]

@@sealco so they did it better.

[@sealco]

@@ShadwRavn no, same issue, its simply less noticeable

[@weewoo695]

The Maximals and Predacons from the original beast wars series always had vehicle modes. They just evolved to have the ability to scan organic ones if the situation calls for it unlike the autobots and decepticons before them

[@pyrokrypt3674]

Also they were earth animals before even arriving on earth. Lazy on the design teams part

[@weewoo695]

​@@pyrokrypt3674 i can let that slide because these maximals are different. steven went with the approach that they were animals all along like that was their planets "theme" if you will. kind of like animatron or eukaris from other TF media

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

My biggest problem with this movie is that I wasn't in awe of the transformers like I was in the other transformers movies

[@KR-P]

Yeah that comes from a mix of camera work and music.

[@zachariahsmith9130]

Or the fact that this is the 7th movie

[@zachariahsmith9130]

@qtsssim so again im not knocking you but there are some important factors here. You have an era of transformers movies made by people who didnt care about the property. So they made these transformers that looked different and really its that aspect that has affected your perception. The other factor is devil in the details. Watch how the transformers in ROTB transform.....actually pay attention and stop trying to be in awe of moving cgi things. Then i want you to pull out optimus primal and MP optimus prime and transform them.........youll then understand that this movie was made by a real fan of the property and lore. Its not even close. I appreciate nuance.

[@KR-P]

@@zachariahsmith9130 I think you have a good point. We are appreciating different things.

[@Itiswhatitis638]

Honestly, they were basic. I need Michael Bay’s explosions and big d*ck energy

[@LordSalazarsRevenge]

I'm a Bayverser through and through. I love Prime but Bayverse will always be in my heart

[@Grogman9868]

There was literally only 10 people in the theater during the premiere in my city it's depressing

[@MechanicalRabbits]

19:00 the "Godzilla problem" has always been funny to me when it gets brought up because Godzilla movies have been about their human characters from the very first movie in 1954. Not saying that sometimes it gets annoying if they barely show up, Godzilla 2014 was awful for that, but centering the movie around its human characters isn't a mistake as long as it's done well.

[@Yoruko0628]

As shown in Godzilla Minus One btw

[@arch_caff]

Funny fact: Rise of the Beasts is the only live-action Transformers film to not have its visual effects done by Industrial Light & Magic.

[@DJLegends]

and it shows lmfao

[@ajh22895]

Also, has anyone noticed that in modern films there's a daytime scene that has this weird cgi fog?

[@ryanmorgan5519]

I have never seen someone try to push their politics harder onto a movie

[@jeff3221]

Right? Like Noah asking where Wheeljack is from and he says Cybertron and calls him a racist haahahhaha. So cringe

[@dsbeats5657]

Not gonna lie I thought I was only one that I noticed that it kind of feels like he’s pushing an agenda honestly, I didn’t mind this movie. I don’t think it’s as good as the movie at all. And I do like the bay, former movies, but this feels like nostalgia like I vividly remember how shit the second movie was or how terrible the fourth and fifth movie are that I choose to forget they even exist like bumblebee Fighting nazi is the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. And also the way they shot the movie for the last two was really bad in my opinion. I will always say the first and third one we’re peak. But I’m not gonna act like Michael Bay is the greatest Director ever there was a lot of flaws in the way he conducts his movies. I really don’t miss him that much. I think they just need to figure Director and stick with him. I am pissed that they didn’t go with the guy that did bumblebee. I think he did a wonderful job.

[@SnorgYippee]

​@jeff3221 Also, making Optimus racist even though his whole morals are freedom is the right to all sentient beings.

[@jvbutalid8316]

"I honestly don't know where they're going with this character (Bumblebee)." In retrospect, that problem existed in FOC. He was just there to die, too, and it was quite the shame, considering he's the guy we play as in the first chapter.

[@lucas169]

It was so obvious that he was just there because of brand recognition and continuity. This movie is stuffed with so many characters to the point where the writers went "ain't we need to make more room for these new ones, let's temporarily kill off the character that already had his own solo film, it's time for these other characters to shine" lmao

[@getpranked70]

I think it’s a step in the right direction, no cringe humans, and some good setup for later movies, I’m exited for the next movie Edit: the one girl that was singing was freaking cringe, I was meaning the other dude, you guys SERIOUSLY need to chill out 🤣

[@thebonk7138]

Cringe humans huh..... singing in the middle of being hunted by killer robots sound familiar....

[@M_k-zi3tn]

Not really. This movie feels like a sedated Bay movie

[@WalkBesideMe]

He literally describes it, it's diet Michael Bay. I am begging Bay to come back to this franchise lol

[@curtisshollenbeck1515]

I agree, it had a human story and a bot story and neither was disregarded. Offering a criticism, could have been more beasts in the "rise of the beasts"

[@jmccray84]

Nah this was focused on humans and autbots as well as the predators were sidelined. The real characters I hate that were sidelined were the maximals, I am so tired of the human plots, just have a transformers movie with just transformers, like there are alot of good characters in their universe. Instead of making just cardboard cutouts for human characters

[@SadBlueGirl]

I feel like a mix of the Michael Bay Spectacle and Scale and the G1/Bumblebee simple and down to earth tone would go perfectly but for some reason they can only do one or the other and it’s really frustrating, something tells me there’s something going on behind the scenes like Hasbro or Paramount won’t let them for some reason, either that or filmmakers working on these movies just can’t do it for some reason.

[@SSSharpeProductions]

yeah i definitely felt some studio interference

[@TheBatman39]

Paramount needs to go to bankrupt and the Transformers rights should be handed to Lionsgate or Universal

[@MrWaSpY-Trn]

So Like a Live-Action TFP (Transformers Prime) 😀.

[@wurtl]

If they kept the designs as simple as in the bumblebee movie…they probably wouldn’t fit the environment as well. That opening scene in bumblebee is fully cgi…so obviously they look good there. Bay was actually smart for going with the realistic, metal designs. Honestly, Caple’s concepts had potential and could’ve worked…but I think it was a mistake going with him as director…he’s literally never worked with cgi prior to this. I’ll never understand why they felt it was a good idea for him to direct a transformers movie this early in his filmography.

[@Floory2009]

I honestly like bayverse design more than g1 bayverse design felt how a alien race would look

[@Lidoe]

So y’all complained about the bayverse being too focused on the humans, and now you’re complaining about this movie being more focused on the TRANSFORMERS as the title suggests? Interesting.

[@-PrimeLonginus-]

I think that people just expect too much sometimes. I can admit and notice that this movie had problems, but a movie can’t be perfect. 🤷‍♂️ And some of the issues I hear people complain about are pretty petty. I know people have their own opinions. but when they get mad at the movie and hate on it for not giving them every single thing they wanted, it’s just dumb.

[@troll1572]

Because keeping the transformere on a lower screen time makes them a novalty and makes them exciting. When its overplayed, people want to start seeing something new

[@SnorgYippee]

Dawg, no, it doesn't. The autobots have no personality, and the plot focuses on the humans solving all the problems and saving the day and coming up with all the plans instead of the ancient intelligent cybertronians

[@Kaution2004]

Yeah I’m gonna be honest, I like the unique twist they did on Optimus in this movie. We’re always so used to this kind humble, and welcoming Optimus Prime personality in the movies and other shows, but in this one they made him more aggressive and hostile and easily agitated, along with constantly suspicious of anyone and more quick to be rough and violent. But there’s still that character to him that let’s you know “That’s Optimus Prime“, They didn’t do too much with it but they did it enough so that we would notice.

[@great159]

He was like this in Age Of Extinction, but Rise Of The Beast did him much better💯

[@darkspark5854]

Yeah, and by then end he’s more like his classic self, so it’s nice to see like an “origin story” for why he respects humans and why he cares about them.

[@etam8099]

Meh ROTB Prime was just AOE Prime without the betrayal, which just makes him look like a dickhead for no reason. The reason with AOE worked is because we spent three movies seeing all the faith Prime had on humanity and all the people he killed for em, only to get even more death. AOE showed consequences and stakes and humans for what they are: hypocrites...humanity never really cared about another species besides their own and if that meant upgrading theirs, who cares about another one? After all it's what Sentinel and Megs did in the previous movies, thus the name of the movie itself. Lockdown is the only "villain" that doesn't care about Cybertron, because this movie ain't between Cons vs Bots, or beliefs like in DOTM, but about 2 species.

[@jvbutalid8316]

what do you mean "we're always so used to this kind humble and welcoming optimus"? the bayverse had been crushing that perception about the dude. people have been complaining about optimus getting edgy for years.

[@PieroMinayaRojas]

So bay optimus bad but rotb optimus good even tho they act mostly the same?

[@logger22]

I feel like they only included the Maximals because they knew the BEASTS would attract attention to fans and non fans alike. Because the movie was mostly the Autobots vs. The Terrorcons with only the Maximals in the background, only two of which had significant roles. I’m sure they’ll include a spin-off featuring the Predacons but that’s besides the point.

[@costa2794]

Well steven already said to fan that a beast wars spin off could be amazing, but i think they will do that if the reboot show and actual success

[@jonahthejedai4973]

Bays films aside from the first film struggle with many of the same story problems that this film did. But they were kinetic and exciting and felt like they were trying to make you google at the effects and their use. This film feels more naturalistic and grounded but it lacks energy and it more importantly lacks a clear focus for the action and story integration. Fight scenes don’t naturally occur. They feel they are fighting with the tone and the aesthetic choices of the narrative elements (except for the first police chase which is quite fun)

[@blossom9510]

I agree with a lot of your points. When you take a look at the praise heaped on ROTB, a lot of it boils down to people saying "compared to the Bay films, this was so good!" They can only compliment it in contrast to something many magnitudes worse. People are so starved for decent stories set in this franchise that any film with even a sliver of actual heart seems outstanding by comparison. A decade of bayverse has skewed the fanbase's perception of what makes a "good" story, since for years the bar has been so appallingly low.

[@JayPlusForerunner]

The story was pretty nice, but you want a transformers story with a REALLY good story? The Cybertron games, Transformers Prime, Beast Wars, Transformers Animated, and IDW's MTMTE comics

[@PoIarisPrime]

​@@JayPlusForerunnerall of the bayfilms had a good story, we can discuss it if you want

[@Jebsucks]

@@PoIarisPrime Bro the only way to make a good story out of the Bayshit is to basically plug your ears and imagine a better story based off of plot summaries. Those movies shift between borderline and outright incoherent moment-to-moment. But go on, I beg you, tell me how the one with King Arthur in it was actually good.

[@PoIarisPrime]

@@Jebsucks nope ur wrong

[@Jebsucks]

@@PoIarisPrime I give you an option to explain yourself, and you just went 'nuh uh' instead. Bravo.

[@KR-P]

Also for me it's the cinematography. The angles, the movement, and like you said, the framing. Rise of the Beasts kinda feels like a mix of previous transformers plot points but lacking the immersive camera work. Character-wise, when Elena said "It's in Peru" I almost burst laughing. Maybe there was some early Peru reference I missed? As to why Mirage is here, I think the film would have been more boring without him. I think you might be expecting another Bumblebee type relationship. Specifically, Mirage is quippy to reduce his nervousness and ease the severity of the situation. He reminds me of Spider-Man who is always cracking jokes during fights, Tony Stark who remains cool despite walking amongst gods and monsters, and TMNT Michelangelo who enjoys himself more than his brothers. And yet he is still willing to make the sacrifice play when it is necessary. That being said there certainly is some untapped potential between Noah and Optimus. I agree Noah's destruction of the key should have been the real climax. The racist lines should have been replaced with dialogue on how the autobots, maximals and predacons have traveled through space before and why they can't leave without the key. Then with this information Noah would still make the choice to destroy the key because he believes there could be another way to send Optimus back home. I also knew Bumblebee would return knowing he was sidelined so others could get more screen time. I don't know if I hate this choice but I does feel cheap. Also notice they avoided showing Airazor's death, the only character to remain dead. Had they shown this they could have emphasized Primal's beef with scourge. For a similar but more stylistically consistent film where a family stops an alien from eating the planet checkout Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer.

[@zachariahsmith9130]

The camera did a single take battle scroll with CGI. If you understand anything about film making.....youd understand how hard that actually is. Its better than anything Bay could ever do.

[@KR-P]

@@zachariahsmith9130 That's interesting. I guess I prefer to be in the action and not outside of it or above it. As to how difficult it is I have no idea. I know that in live action it would take many tries, even multiple days. In 2-D animation you just go frame by frame changing the foreground, background, and characters in each frame. It's a slow but simple process. How is it done in 3-D animation/CGI?

[@PieroMinayaRojas]

@@zachariahsmith9130 dude I don't care how hard it is if it doesnt end up good then it's pointless, people pay money to see something good not just because "how hard it is"

[@zachariahsmith9130]

@PieroMinayaRojas well i can tell none of it amtters to you because you dont know whats good or bad, so i guess youre just a gambling man huh?

[@PieroMinayaRojas]

@@zachariahsmith9130 how do you know what I know, so I guess you're a psychic huh?

[@HishamA.N_Comicbroe]

Gotta be your first video I disagree with. I loved the style & passion in TF 1-3 but after that idk, it seemed like Bay ran out of juice (tho I kinda like TF5). This one tho has an actually good story, action & some good characterization for Optimus.

[@ongjoon9173]

I love all 5 of them, they're my favorite movies ever, I don't care what nobody says

[@HishamA.N_Comicbroe]

@@ongjoon9173 Based.

[@etam8099]

Not really

[@Sheriff_Curtis]

​@@HishamA.N_ComicbroeContrarian take.

[@jeff3221]

How is this story any better than the Bayverse films? Its a McGuffin hunt to stop Unicron... feel like there's a Bayverse film that has that story... Optimus is characterised the almost the exact same as he is in the Bayverse: he cares but more often than not, he's just a raging killing machine.

[@honorsquanch7044]

I think it's a pretty good movie, better characters than any we have seen from Bay and I really don't think it looks bad. You can actually follow the action compared to alot of what you see from bay. I am a long time fan of the property though and definitely have a bias

[@Bigmanwaffle]

I dont think i can agree with better characters as its basically the same just with primal and air razor added. Most of michael bays action in the first 3 movies were easy to follow

[@Kaiju-bm4ts]

​@@Bigmanwaffle yeah....no only HALF of the battles in the bayverse as a whole were easy to follow, especially when some of the fights focused too much on the humans, had too many cutaways and shaky camera movements. You don't get that in most of the action scenes in bumblebee/rotb. The characters are better represented here, even if some don't get alot on screentime and only serve as background characters, it's not to the same extent as what the bayverse did

[@Bigmanwaffle]

@@Kaiju-bm4ts what characters are better represented. When i talk about bayverse i mean 1-3. In 1 you can easily tell whats happening in the action. In 2 its a little harder but when it matters you can tell as well(the forest fight, the fight at the beginning, and bumble bee vs rampage). In 3 same thing applies all the 1 on 1 fights are clear and the scenes where it matters its quite easy to make things out

[@Kaiju-bm4ts]

@@Bigmanwaffle and guess what? Tf1-tf3 still have the issues tf4-5 had so what difference does it make?. Saying in tf2 "it's a little harder" isn't a good point to make when it shouldn't be harder PERIOD to follow the fights. Using bumblebee vs rampage isn't even a good example when that fight has unnecessary shaky camera angles and too many cutaways for what was essentially a short fast paced fight. Do I even have to bring up most of bee vs barricade in tf1 happens offscreen and the most we get is the car chase?. That's more than tf5 obviously but not by much. Realistically only tf1 and tf3 had the closest to nearly all their fights being well to follow but that doesn't excuse introducing characters just for most of them to serve as background characters or optimus acting out of character and megatron being sidelined TWICE. Plus we gonna ignore how the writer's strike affected the story of tf2? And even bay called it crap?. Tf prime was inspired by the bayverse and yet did what the bayverse couldn't half (if not most) of the time

[@Bigmanwaffle]

what does the writers strike gotta do with a fight? I never said tf 2 was a good movie. In tf3 megatron was sick of fighting and only wanted to go home and be in charge so it makes sense he was sidelined. Guess what my guy most characters introduced in rotb were sidelined as well. Tfp was a show spanning several seasons its not fair to compare it to 2 movies. Also please tell me when prime acted out of character besides maybe the beginning and end of tf2. Bee vs barricade being offscreen was simply to save budget. Optimus vs megatron and the autobots vs brawl i believe are better examples

[@nickskywalker2300]

Bro, I lost you when you said they should relate it to capitalism. Stop injecting and projecting through film it’s gross and annoying

[@sup3414]

He's a damn liberal. What did you expect?

[@zulkifli4201]

Stop? Get a hold of yourself 😂😂😂 You think Movie cant got any Moral Values???

[@user-mu6sk7ub9r]

i hate that they included g.i.joe in the tf universe, they can't even get it right with the huge ass main tf cast and they decided to add even more characters to the roster.

[@LoneWolf-gz9mr]

I'm curious as to how this "washed out" look became SO popular.. I mean every movie from as far back as Eternals, ALL just want to "wash out the colors" of every single movie.. How and WHY did all these films (across companies) suddenly think this was a good idea? And how do they POSSIBLY think this is "different and new"??? It's all ANYONE is doing.

[@mrkenzo21]

I cannot judge base on story, because all Transformers's story so far has their own charms (to me at least). But what makes Bayverse transformers set apart is the mechanical feel (except the nano-decepticon transformers) when these robots transforms. I don't get the same feel with the non-bayverse transformers.

[@takudzwamarufu4080]

Bayformers designs were far better because they were more realistic

[@blanketflunky9823]

There’s nothing I want more in my movie about robots beating each other up is an in-depth analysis of systemic racism and the military industrial complex

[@vulturedroid7674]

Yeah ngl he’s right about this movie being bland but the moment he got to that I started zoning out lol

[@monstersandmachines]

​@@vulturedroid7674Same. I couldn't take him seriously after that.

[@BlackGypsyCharm]

I dont care what anyone says but in my opinion even before watching rise of the beasts i dont think any director will ever top michael bay in creating the most spectacular movies the only director who could be at par is steven speilberg but he is retired

[@thunderwolfwyvern6314]

Michael Bay is the king of action but simply falls very short when it comes to writing and storytelling.

[@Salty010]

this statement make me squirm, its like a girlfriend longing for abusing boyfriend....and that dumb girl keep compare her previous abusing boyfriend to current boyfriend... while ignore all stupid shit that abuser do...in the end its matter an opinion i guess...

[@secretsofphoenix]

Couldn’t have said any better!

[@M_k-zi3tn]

Well that's a dumb analogy given that the girl's new boyfriend is just as bad and he's also very boring

[@ktaloof]

maybe but the previous bf is well accomplished and super rich whereas the current bf is average and has the personality of a rock

[@Smackrecker]

Rotb box office speaks for itself. Michael bay movies had some magic which this one is lacking

[@isiahbradford5704]

For me it was the STAKES in the movie. It felt way was too safe. Yeah, two maximals died, I didn’t CARE about at all or even remember. Bumblee’s death/resurrection didn’t look convincing compared to how prime died/resurrected in rotf, so I wasn’t surprised when bee came back. (Not to mention they revealed it all in the trailers which was stupid) the final battle felt too safe, mirage survives at the end, And the fact that It didn’t feel like there were many consequences. Everyone’s has a Victory at the end and it just felt so bland and unsatisfactory. Even the humans can win fights against spider cybertronians with no effort. Scourge was felt like a genuine threat until the middle of the movie. The next movie, they need to bring some serious consequences and stakes to the table. (No pun intended)

[@blazingmewtwo]

2007 & DOTM captured the high stakes and serious threats perfectly. You actually felt like everyone was in real danger. Like it was near the end of a series….It had more of a sad and dark tone to it

[@saibhargav7526]

Exactly my words brother. The Michael bay movies had some style. This one is just bland. Action is bleh. Writing is just lines that we've heard hundreds of times before, exept for maybe 2-3 moments.

[@ou812walrus4]

Bumblebee and Rise of the Beasts are in a different continuity than bayformers. It's a reboot.

[@Cam_0823]

The first movie is amazing in my book while the second, the third, and the fourth were pretty great just a few problems but still great, but that first movie will always hold dear to my heart. We don’t talk about Last Knight… Rating of the movies Transformers 10/10 ROTF 8/10 DOTM 9/10 AOE 9/10 TLK 2/10

[@tonyten39]

I definitely agree with your comment 😊

[@Nightlizard1564]

Ain’t no way u gave rotf an 8/10 💀

[@str8skiilz]

​@@Nightlizard1564Optimus battle in the forest alone is worth that score, or at least close to it.

[@Nightlizard1564]

@@str8skiilz it really isn’t and it’s the only reason why fans even like it. Otherwise the movie was the worst out of the trilogy. That’s like calling the 2007 tmnt film an underrated gem when people only like it because of the Leo and Ralph fight.

[@mryeetproductions]

@@str8skiilz one scene does not make a good movie lmao

[@Dutchforsure]

Bayverse is 600 times better than this new universe

[@andreasnutritionist7293]

Not a bad movie but completely feel like it’s a kids movie now, like the new marvel movies, I feel like Michael bay’s transformers (at least the first 3) was the equivalent to the old marvel, even tho the movies had their flaws, there were a lot of absolute badass moments, plus great music, great moves, great cars, great cgi, it felt “adult” and real instead of a kids movie like it does now. It’s like comparing the original Spider-Man Trilogy to the new spider man movies, it’s definitely not the same level of excitement. Even Optimus feels bland af now and feels like a random robot unlike the badass he was in Michael bay’s take.

[@F7PRO37]

Transformers ended at Dotm the soul and designs for the autobots. It was lost for Aoe and Tlk Bumblebee designs were better than those Aoe and Tlk. But the original trilogy designs made it feel real that they turn into cars.

[@rangeetch.lahiri2120]

the only video you do about transformers and it's this? sounds like i'm about to be very disappointed in your opinion. really feels like people who aren't transformers fans should not be judging these movies

[@pushkardivakar5912]

True

[@M_k-zi3tn]

You sound so dumb right now lol do you also want us to learn about being spies and soldiers before watching action movies? Game of Thrones or Harry Potter don't rely on the fact that you've read their books in order for them to be good entertainment, everything about those worlds that is essential to the story is established in the movies/show, not elsewhere. Im not a StarWars fan but enjoyed Andor without needing to have gone through all the other Star Wars contetnt. Important things shouldn't just happen in movies just because there's source material out there that explains it.

[@5koot13]

I am a transformers fan and this one felt like it wasn't finished or long enough to flesh out things

[@ttelwah4997]

Saw in theater yesterday and shit was ass. No bumblebee, instead replaced by mirage who’s cringey as hell. So are the humans, especially the little brother. The series really went from Megan Fox to an ugly ass black chick that has an annoying voice and bragged about her father’s intelligence like anyone would give a fuck. The beasts were soooooo underwhelming, no transformation at all, they’re basically just animals that look like robots. All of the other auto bots were just standing there shooting their guns with nothing special happen, especially when the female auto bot one

[@Lidoe]

The people that cry about the bayverse being over are as bad as the snyderbots crying about the snyderverse being over

[@rhashadcarter2051]

I must be in the minority where i’ve always been able to tell which transformer is which in the bayformer movies. Maybe it’s cuz I play games and can handle the sensory overload, but idk

[@SirGrimLockSmithVIII]

It's also how it's the second movie of the reboot-verse and we're already getting into Thanos-level threats like Unicron and his Heralds. Like, shit man these studio execs gotta stop shooting their load too early. Where the hell are the regular decepticons? Why are we crossing over with Beast Wars when we've barely established the regular autobots as characters?

[@technounionrepresentative4274]

I remember the initial rumors around this movie were that Megatron would be the villain of this movie but in rise of the beasts they use the biggest bad guy of G1 and they introduce the maximals without the predecons, You could separate all three of these ideas into four movies at minimum, You could have made 2 decepticon focused movies A unicron movie and A beast wars movie, Do the decepticons even get referenced in rise of the beasts?

[@weeaboo-warrior]

Agreed, it wasn't that great. The people calling it the greatest transformers are watching it with rose tinted glasses and were brainwashed into thinking the Bay films were horrible and that this new (probably) rebooted universe is amazing and saving transformers.

[@AntsTheaterCorner2698]

Yeah. I forgot this movie the moment I saw it.

[@RobFike]

just something to point - internships are exploited positions as well and there's something to be said about them as well.

[@JahJahStudios]

What is bro on

[@dkkanofkash8798]

Who let bro cook cause I ain’t eating that shit

[@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r]

Bay's films might have been grand in spectacle, but what they lacked actual focus on the Transformers and their story arcs, which made them feel like background characters more than anything. Aside from the first and fourth movie which did a good job making the Autobots and Decepticons stand out, the rest of the Bay films prioritized the humans and what they were doing instead of giving what the fans want, which is why they feel empty and hollow at the end of the day. I feel like Rise Of The Beasts took these complaints and made an excellent movie that corrects the mistakes Bay made in his movies, while also putting the franchise in a great direction that feels more like the cartoon instead of Bay movies with robots thrown in them. Overall, I'm not in agreement that the franchise needs Bay back at all, and I'm glad we're on the path to moving on to bigger and better things with this franchise moving forward.

[@Unknown_user330.0]

Michael bay hasn’t gone anywhere, if anything he still has a large share of power, paramount ceo Brian robbins said Michael bay still has veto power over the transformers and every major decision in regards to the film have to be approved by bay before making the Final Cut, the gi Joe scene was initially not gunna be in because Michael bay said no but robbins had to convince him other and I quote “ I had to ring him 50 times and I did not let up but eventually we managed to get bay to sign” every story decision you see that is huge yeah Michael bay played a part in that happening

[@dannysegarra4504]

Lets be honest, if they get rid of them going to Earth all the dam time it would be so much better. A film the takes place on cybertron during the war.

[@BenFrankarts]

Bay co-signed on all of this. He was cool with the bleaker tone of the action shots. He wanted the film to feel different from its predecessors. I think the reviews and score also lay this out. Over 90% on RT ain’t something to sneeze at. That being said, you bring on some great points and I respect your critique because there were some ways to make the film better. And you hit many of those.

[@reservationatdorsias3215]

There is absolutely no way Bay did any work on this outside of answering a couple phone calls while he was in his swimming pool. ROTB is the antithesis of Bay’s style. He just wanted the producer credit and an easy paycheck.

[@pyrokrypt3674]

I had so much hope for this show, as a fan of the OG transformers for years and years. Instead we got G1 wheeljack from Bumblebee turn into a hippee with overalls, glasses, and an accent. It's just blue bald einstein from transformers 3 all over again

[@kiwi4kian]

This movie is a 53% on RT…

[@Kakizaki1707]

@@reservationatdorsias3215 damn how did you know that? You live under his bed ?

[@Jebsucks]

@@kiwi4kian Critics threw a fit over it but the audience score is actually pretty high. Which is the key thing. You see a ton of things of things like this very video where critics tear into the movie... but the general audience reception has been fairly positive.

[@Chris-qr1io]

Transformers Rise of the Beasts is a box office failure and no one’s talking about it

[@subject_changed4690]

Everyone shit on him, but in the end, he was the one who put the most heart when it came to detail and an immersive experience. Sure it was very lackluster in story, But it never disappointed in showing us fantastic fights with attention to detail where in those fights, that they sprouted whole video essays describing them in-depth. He may not be the greatest story teller, but he knows what he's doing. Much like a person can tell a story on a canvas, Bay knew what the hell he was doing.

[@chritchharrass7159]

So, earlier I made a comment that outlined how the franchise could essentially erase this movie from existence and put it in their rear view, but after watch a couple different video essays on the subject and discovering the deleted scenes, I realize I was wrong. I think this movie has good bones, but lackluster execution (kinda like quantumania). That being said, they need to do what they should’ve done with bumblebee. Add the deleted scenes that truly drive the plot and character development, smooth out the G1-esque designs (lookin at you wheeljack) and switch that awful hidden toy commercial plug ending with the original one from the test screening. And for the love of God, leave DiBoneventura out of these films.

[@madfox1006]

Honestly Im okay with them not diving into the human characters that much because it might fall into the problems of the Bayverse. This is a TF movie. Human characters need to get a certain amount of screentime, even if you can go further with it.

[@greenlightcomics7602]

Bumblebee was the only movie with the perfect balance.

[@jeff3221]

I don't understand? This movie spends most of its time focused on the human characters. We get the prologue on planet maximal, then spend like 20mins with Noah going about his day and the girl going about her day. Can you imagine if we spent the first 20mins getting a look at the daily life of the autobots?

[@greenlightcomics7602]

@@jeff3221 I know they be getting more than just being there and talking about their battles. Because remember, the saying goes there’s more to them than meets the eye.

[@colten53]

⁠@@jeff3221that’s what I’m confused about with fans of this movie. This movie still sidelines the robots. I don’t care about the human characters in this one very much. Their stories feel too generic and uninteresting. Everything that people say they hate about Bayformers is also present in this movie. This movie has the same macguffin plot as all the other movies except it’s less interesting than the moon landing conspiracy in DOTM. The robots still don’t get that much screen time to build up their characters. It’s pretty much exclusively Mirage and Optimus that get development. Arcee is just there even though she was a great character in Transformers Prime. They don’t do anything with Wheeljack except make a joke about his accent (again I’m not seeing people complain about him either when people complained about Jazz in TF1). Not to mention, that is definitely not how Wheeljack was portrayed previously. Stratosphere is just a plot device and not an actual character. At least Jetfire was pivotal to the plot in ROTF. The Maximals are just as sidelined as the Wreckers and the Dinobots were. I feel like Optimus’s anger is less justified in ROTB. In Bay’s movies, Cybertron is destroyed and he’s trying to stop the same thing from happening to his new home. The Decepticons kill his friends and millions of people. His mentor betrayed him. The humans he protected eventually turn on him. These are valid reasons to be jaded and to cross the line into pissed off territory. In ROTB, he is feeling the pressures of leadership and returning home, but I don’t think that is a good enough reason for him to be a dick to humans and his friends for that matter. And you don’t even get the practical effects and impressive filmmaking that comes with Michael Bay in ROTB. There’s no standout action moment in ROTB. It doesn’t feel real even in comparison to the all CGI Cybertron scene in Bumblebee.

[@madfox1006]

@jeff3221 Yes and no, human characters in rotb have basic development, and it knows where to end, unlike Bay, who constantly filled his human scenes with awkward joked at times, all over the place acting, and constant wanks of the military to the point of them beinf more powerful than the Autobots

[@tenyearsinthejoint1]

This movie felt like i was watching a generic superhero movie. I can't think of a better way to put it

[@myliege8197]

In my opinion, watching Michael Bay Transformers is more fun watching than watching the recent M-SHE-U.

[@miked4338]

Was so sad they didnt have Rattrap :( , should have just focused the whole thing on the beast wars characters ..

[@user-du1ub8we6q]

That's like when Star Wars sequels started coming out and everyone began appreciating prequels.

[@clippt5598]

I just wish they kept the robot “gore” like in rotb the lasers just bounce off the bots while bays looks like it actually hurts

[@costa2794]

Thats because the bayverse are less resistence, the transformers are actually pretty durable so its accurate

[@clippt5598]

@@costa2794 yeah but you can be durable but have effective lasers like Optimus took cannons to the chest a few times before falling but it still looked cool

[@costa2794]

@@clippt5598 i mean, if they figure out on how to put megatron in the next movie, i really hope that his fusion cannon is a one shot, since its pretty powerful

[@NeurodivergentSuperiority]

It depends on the character It works for battletrap due to how much of a hunk he is, but not for Mirage as seen in his death scene

[@ipman127]

You're kidding right? Rise of the beasts is the only Transformers movie where the Transformers have more screen time than the humans.. and the human characters were actually done well and relatable. The Transformer designs were also retro and accurate. This movie also had proper action where I could actually see what was going on instead of the regular human POV that Bay did. Optimus Prime for once actually felt like a main character rather than an occasional side character. You're really just speaking out of nostalgia.

[@durrangodsgrief6503]

You do know that transformers is a multiverse and us in no way bound by the 61 designs bays originals and near on any other version look superior to g1 And if your talking about accuracy bay was accurate as for the most part the series is from the perspective of humans and aliens optimus isnt the main character he can be the main focus

[@cyrax9655]

I watched movie and i can say what i DIDN'T enjoy it not because of my nostalgia, but because of the plot and scenario. Movie really did GOOD with characters! People are very likable and autobots IS CHARACTERS with their own personality. But... WTF is happening here? We are in multiverse or what? How did Primal know about Optimus when they in other galaxies (or verses)? Why did Decepticons do? Why they don't hunt Autobots? Why Optimus is talking about return to Cybetron when Optimus in previous film sayed what they have lost a war. WTF is Unicron? Where the heck are we?! Movie is misses SO MUCH CONTEXT. I literally feel what 1 HOUR OR EVEH A HALF of the movie was just deleted. I have so many questions what movie just doesn't even try to answer. How did Bumblbee and Mirage survived DEATHS? Movie just don't answer to anything, it's really misess a lot of scenes. And why the hell is movie so fast? Characters are grown and it's a very good thing! Just why it's so fast, what i can't believe it?

[@bonniethebunny2489]

@@cyrax9655I’ll try to help you, the Optimus primal is from the future and got stuck in the past thus he knew about Optimus

[@foxtrotyt8898]

i really loved this movie (i just wished the cgi was better but guess more bots screen time and better cgi was kinda har to do)

[@MiguelOHara-uh1yr]

I don’t know about anyone else but this movie seemed like an entire geewun movie but if it was live action

[@rhashadcarter2051]

the bayverse movies actually pull plot lines straight from the G1 cartoon like the Pyramid machine, and bringing cybertron to earth. both have dedicated episodes in G1

[@hydra09x42]

personally this was one of my favourite transformers films to date and I found the action rather enjoyable and the story telling could have been better with pre-screening's apparently having much darker themes and developed characters but they for some reason felt the need to tone it down a bit which is a shame but still thoroughly enjoyed this film and its sadder tone. Also appreciate it being free of woke themes very bored of that being shoved down our throats in film.

[@TheLifeOfDan1]

Me too dude!

[@ripleyfuriosa5701]

"woke themes" 🙄

[@OTG1776]

Though not pushing heavy liberal messages its full of lazy troped which kills the story for me.

[@dragxon5637]

Fun fact anytime you see military hardware in a movie that means the military got to make a final pass on the script, critiqueing the military industrial complex, or the military in general is simply not an option if you want to use any kind of military props with out having to spend billions of dollars to buy it yourself

[@rsdillbot3646]

This film feels more like a transformers project more than the micheal bay films.

[@gamebyanguirusxd]

comparing rise of the beasts to apocalypse is actually bewildering. Seeing that RoTB was miles better than apocalypse and generally more entertaining than Bumblebee

[@ladybabe6958]

sadly the lost competition with Spider-Man and The Flash

[@RiccioSoter]

for me was the opposite. i find more entartaining Bee since he had Themes, Story and Good Characters, ROTB feeled cheap and nothing was explored and it was superdissapointing

[@cahe6161]

No

[@RiccioSoter]

@@cahe6161 yes?

[@cahe6161]

@@RiccioSoter It wasn't more entertaining than Bumblebee nor miles better than Apocalypse, just another generic, forgettable movie

[@BRproductions6173]

I have to disagree loved this movie it’s amazing but hay we all have different opinions

[@richyrodriguezberezov2052]

This film tried to be Michael Bay without being bay, instead of doing it's own thing like Bumblebee, I'm sorry I usually a person that doesn't judge people but how the hell can you defend this film and call yourself a Transformers fan? Thes comments hurt my eyes. Optimus was a racist that hated humans, the beasts didn't have any personality nor screen time, the final battle was a boring mess, Peter didn't put interest in voicing Scourge. The last Knight was horrible but I will still watch that mess before this because that mess made me feel something, this film just didn't. I don't want to blame the director because he is a good director I'm sure the studio pressured him. But this isn't only a bad Transformer film, it is bad cinema. And after watching the new Godzilla film I realised I didn't stop enjoying films, the simple thing is that i don't like bad movies. So as a Transformers fan, and a theater lover. I want good films so stop giving money to these types of films.

[@mryeetproductions]

Bay destroyed the franchise with his last two movies.

[@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203]

He didnt. By 2007, the franchise was dead. He revived it only for some neckbeard minority to complain, and paramount, being the idiots they are listened to the criticism and here we are.

[@ShahPhilLeotardo]

The entire content of Marvel Phase 4 made me miss Michael Bay.

[@aarnavsrivastava8041]

I LOVED the Bayverse trilogy! They had great action, great CGI, Optimus' speeches made me get chills, the music worked in tandem with the action, the cinematography was phenomenal. They were simply amazing. But the later movies are just 'meh' at best.

[@davidbeer5015]

Man, the GI Joe twist...was annoying. I really did think it was gonna be Sector 7. Heck, we had Sector 7 and future Agent Simmons both appear in *Bumblebee*. It just made sense for it to be them because we know that they already know about them from meeting Bumblebee and the Decepticons.

[@DynamicUnreal]

"Rise Of The Beasts" but the Beasts were barely in the movie. I was expecting Cheetor and Rattrap to be yapping at each other but instead Rattrap wasn't there and Cheetor didn't even talk.

[@costa2794]

Well at least they didnt appear at the last 20 minuts like the dinobot, however there is a high possibility to see a maximals vs predacons spin off movie, since even steven said that could be a really great idea P.s cheetor talked, for like four times, so just watch the movie this time buddy

[@DynamicUnreal]

@@costa2794 He only talked twice and said a total of 5 or 6 words in the entire movie but I guess you took my comment literally.

[@WalkBesideMe]

Dark of the Moon is one of the best action movies of the past 15 years. The best use of IMAX 3D next to Cameron's Avatar, phenomenal score, and absolutely brazenly incredible action. The opening action scene in Chernobyl in Dark of the Moon tops anything in Rise of the Beasts.

[@ongjoon9173]

Thank you, you get it

[@bantuboi3131]

Too bad the Autobots don't get to do anything because we have to focus on Sam getting a job and goofy jokes with Ken Jeong. I actually disagree with you on the Chernobyl bit. Shockwave does NOTHING. There wasn't a fight. It was the drill worm appearing for 30 seconds. And the next time we see Shockwave, he gets taken out(blinded) by humans and a parachute. The action of building falling may be neat, but the transformers themselves did nothing and barely even spoke. They weren't characters.

[@mryeetproductions]

Bro i like dotm and the Chernobyl fight was not that good lmao

[@kidmods]

Dark of the moon is still the best transformation movie

[@greenweirdo4452]

I actually do miss Michael Bay

[@tonyleidyiii1652]

Same here. He did great in transformers.

[@user_28373]

Why did he stop? I bet he made tons of money from it

[@kristersv3564]

@@user_28373because the box design enjoyers cried when they didn’t get there ugly designs

[@Gangstanoob1998]

Man I’m tired of all the people complaining about the Bay designs. They’re aliens, and there’s sort of an incomprehensible Lovecraftian feel to them with how their designs and proportions are and that’s exactly what I love about them. I’m a concept artist and illustrator so maybe it’s just me, but I can comprehend the designs just fine and lick out who is who in an action sequence. I feel like all the complaints about the designs are just people parroting each other at this point. But I agree with the complaints of the actions. Most didn’t feel impactful or interesting to watch. I still like ROTB but it’s got issues like every TF film. Also Beewun isn’t really that good either. On paper it’s good, but the execution is severely lacking imo. ROTB was still more entertaining for me.

[@custom_gamezmodz]

I had no issues with this film. It supposed to in the early 1990s. Based on G1.

[@CIorox_BIeach]

4 was actually good, if you ask me. Even though I dislike Prime's robot and vehicular redesign almost as much as the ROTB version, the knight thing was stupid, and the girl was annoying as hell. It was still enjoyable. Prime's voice was beautiful as usual, and Drift, Crosshairs, and Hound became instant favorites. I'd love to see those three, with their Bayverse voices and designs, in other media. Lockdown was also a good villain. The adventure was surprisingly fun, and the secondary humans were actually somewhat interesting.

[@davudisbarkhanli549]

Bayverse 1-4 is peak.And the box office of those movies is just the sole proof

[@jacobdunn9978]

ROTB isn’t connected to the original 5 movies, only the bumblebee movie

[@phoenxix-gaming]

they should let michael bay direct and should let him do the CGI and action and cinematic scens

[@zergrush_9704]

CGI and action were quite good in Bumblebee, but in Rise of the beast...

[@Levi_52_336]

Fighting mindless hordes in a barren field isn't exactly the most interesting of things that can happen, but not all fights take place in what are relatively (to the combatants) close quarters. These cybertronians are smaller than their Bayverse counterparts, and they're their own characters, not some side pieces purely to be reacted to. That said, they literally allowed the villains the ability to material a large structure out of nothing, so they should've had them make a smarter decision and create a defensive fortress. An environment to be interacted with and be made partially real with sections of facades. Giving us more of what we got in the opening of Bumblebee.