Transition Relay eMTB | Lightweight Electric MTB GAME CHANGER

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Күн бұрын

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@nickmcdvtt Жыл бұрын

Dude, this is a fantastic review video. I love that you called out anyone that's knocking this concept because TR, once again, absolutely crushed it with the Relay. I actually ran into one of the TR guys on a recent trip in Idaho. He had no place to camp for the night so he hung out with us in our site and gave us a little demo of this bike in camp. It's rad. Also, I had no idea how rad the trails are in NC. So sick!

@darrencarter7203 Жыл бұрын

I have a YT Jeffsy that’s weighs 33.5lbs on the trail. I would definitely take the 2.5lb hit to have an acoustic bike I could slide the battery into and go e-bike packing. Been wondering why no one has covered this yet. Thanks for saying it! Now, if I could just scrape up the ticket price …

@flippy66 Жыл бұрын

That's pretty light, a lot of enduro bikes are well over 35 or 36 lbs. Mine is 36.

@IIISentorIII 11 ай бұрын

I'm 41 and Ride Specialized Stumpjumper and Scott Genius here in Switzerland If I would buy a E-bike it would probably be a Transition Relay or Pivot Shuttle SL. I also did testride a Scott Lumen which I actually really liked since i like the normal Scott Spark too. I don't have the Budget for "another" Bike and given that my Stumpjumper Expert only did cost me 3400 Euro the asking price for those E-mtb is too high for me at around 10k. Yes, I could afford it, but I won't, the same way I will not spend 1200k for the latest graphics card😅 I have some wear and tear on my body ( Back pain, disk damage, often Migraines) from a lifetime of Snowboarding/Skiing, Skating, climbing, running around with my sled-dogs (Husky's and Samojed) and all the other crazy stuff I did 😅 Bottom line, my body would be ready for a E-bike for those "I'm in pain" days😁 But I like the direction those SL E-Bikes Bikes are going and my parents already own two at the age of 70 and 77. Cheers from Switzerland PS. Removable battery also means you can take this Bike on an Airplane theoretically.

@DrJMTB 11 ай бұрын

All fantastic points. I hope you're able to get an e-bike when the time is right! Cheers

@bostondye3736 Жыл бұрын

I live in North Carolina, and pisgah is one of the reasons I have been hesitant about buying an ebike and selling my enduro. Can't afford both just yet. This bike stood out to me from the time they announced it for the reasons you cover. Thanks for the content 🙏

@orangielegros Жыл бұрын

I don’t understand the problem at pisgah. F them. Ride anyway

@DrJMTB Жыл бұрын

This thing would be totally rideable there. I wouldn't have any issues going and taking Black Mt on this, any more than I would've had my previous Santa Cruz Nomad that only weighed 3 lbs lighter than this one.

@mikeyp3694 10 ай бұрын

You totally nailed it. The PNW edition has the same specs roughly as say a Santa Cruz Nomad and is maybe 6 lbs heavier without the battery......oh....and you get an E-bike as a bonus for just a bit more $$$. Total game changer....and was also surprised other reviews fail to mention this entirely. I don't have an ebike but this gets me closer for sure....

@AL-sd5cs Ай бұрын

For anyone doubting the exercise aspect of an ebike, go ride with a group of ebike riders and ride one up the hill and then hop back on your analog bike..I did yesterday and my feet felt like I had lead attached to them..e bikes give you way more riding opportunities in a day out and when you get to the top of trail, you’re not wiped out on the 2nd or third climb making the descents safer..I think most people who are hesitant need to look at SL bikes cause these heavy full power bikes are not necessary with the new smaller motors and more energy dense batteries coming out

@lukepetersen6683 Жыл бұрын

Good work mate, great to see a review focussing on how the bike rides without the battery. I'm hoping to get my hands on a PNW version in the next few months and expect to ride it more than half the time without battery. I noticed some juddering noise on the audio in a few sections, most notably 5:30 - 5:40; any idea what that is?

@flippy66 Жыл бұрын

Looks such a good bike, shame they are very expensive in Europe and the UK, but hopefully the market calms down a bit with all these new entries. The new Levo SL will be stiff competition for this, but for me a removable battery is a must-have.

@user-kh3qr7qg3y Жыл бұрын

Hey Josh, What a coincidence! Shortly after meeting you and Ashley, I get a call from a guy coming our way with his Relay. I'm on YouYube looking at the bike and there you are! Be safe, have fun.

@DrJMTB Жыл бұрын

Enjoyed touring Over The Edge Cycles in Fruita, CO! Thanks again Kirk!

@letsgomoreplacescarl Жыл бұрын

Would be interested in how many vertical feet climbing was in your 25 mile ride. The vertical has huge effect on Range. In the nw we are doing steep to the point climbs for dh

@GF-cb8rr 11 ай бұрын

Was looking for a review that went into more detail on the riding experience without the battery as this bike was designed to take advantage of. ... Thanks!

@jason5031 7 ай бұрын

Oh man... Now I NEED this!

@beaproforever6677 Жыл бұрын

Bro I don't know you but your video is cool! most people who have seen this just don't get what kind of bike the relay is!! at one day you are with battery in squamish and the other day without in whistler. at the end of june i get a pnw test bike. I'll make a video about it then. hope you like it too. and when you will buy a santa or a spezi 16000$ up! greets from Zurich 🤙

@Petr388 10 күн бұрын

Great review, it really looks like one-to-do-it-all bike. I have been riding original Orbea Rise LTD for almost 3 years now and it is awesome trail e-bike. Only issue I hav with it is annoying rattle. It used to be quite ok but after some recent rough bike park riding it intensified quite alot. Partly due to characteristics of Shimano EP8 motor but i suspect more rattle comes from badly managed cable management inside of the carbon frame. How is the rattle issue with Relay? I hear a bit of in the No battery DHull part

@midlifeshredder Жыл бұрын

Man I wish a shop in TN demo’d these! Would love to try one out. Great job on the video, very informative!

@DrJMTB Жыл бұрын

Where in TN are you?

@midlifeshredder Жыл бұрын

@@DrJMTB Nashville area.

@DrJMTB Жыл бұрын

@@midlifeshredder swing up and see us in Somerset!

@emtbtrailrider539 Жыл бұрын

Keep up the good work Great review

@DrJMTB Жыл бұрын

👊🏼👊🏼

@emtbtrailrider539 Жыл бұрын

@@DrJMTB where do you charge the battery at on the Transition Relay?

@DrJMTB Жыл бұрын

@@emtbtrailrider539 see 13:10 where the cord is plugged into the back of the battery

@sasquatchmtb Жыл бұрын

Nice man! I ride an Alloy Spire and minus the battery the Relay is very similar.

@DrJMTB Жыл бұрын

Love the Spires 👌

@LastAphelion Жыл бұрын

I would love to try the PNW. I want to see more options for the Repeater like the Relay PNW, bc I think I think the Relay looks good but at 40+ pounds I feel like I might as well go full power and want a mullet with big battery, so I hope they'll offer a 700+ battery for the Repeater eventually and not sure if it can be mulleted with longer travel? I don't have the money to be buying and swapping parts after the cost of a bike

@DrJMTB Жыл бұрын

No real mullet option on the Repeater. And the weight difference will be noticeable. We have one in the shop. Great bike as well, just a completely different animal.

@user-tr8dl4fb3q Жыл бұрын

Great review man ,the fact that it can be ridden without battery is the main reason I'm considering this bike

@kangsterizer Жыл бұрын

but you have to take the batt out to charge even if you don't want to, and its annoying to remove each time. and stuff rattles in the bike. feels bad for the huge price of these to not have these 2 things fixed, it doesnt take much ...

@FlowFinderUSA Жыл бұрын

This is the review of the Relay i've been looking for...nicely done!

@user-xn1bo9rx5m 7 ай бұрын

The motor could also be for emergencies, i’m 57 i would lug a light motor around and forget it , then it would be worth solid gold when i need it.

@tonyrobinson1623 6 ай бұрын

Not having a range extender available is unacceptable on a mid power emtb.

@DrJMTB 6 ай бұрын

I agree completely. I felt better about recommending at the time because Fazua were supposed to have one by now. Brands specing Fazua need to hold them accountable.

@britishbassbikes 7 ай бұрын

You rock. Great review

@DrJMTB 7 ай бұрын

👊🏼👊🏼

@DirtBikingFunWith14 Жыл бұрын

You brought up Great points that most people don’t bring up. Great job.

@2sully4 2 ай бұрын

25 miles but what was the elevation gain ?

@brianrand7191 Жыл бұрын

Is a motorcycle with out gas not a motorcycle? Can I rip down Whistler in neutral with the motor cut?

@DrJMTB Жыл бұрын

I don’t know, but it would sure be cool to try…

@searchpartyone Жыл бұрын

Nice review

@TeamCykelhold Жыл бұрын

Not really sure the park ranger will take a "but no battery" as an excuse for taking an ebike to the non ebike trails. I don't know. But I do know that having to remove the battery to charge is annoying, and I'd worry a bit about rattle from the cover and battery. Living with a bike long term is different than trying it for a few rides. I think this bike looks really awesome, but lacks on a few fronts. Overall, great bike and I wish the fuel exe had the geo and travel of the relay or relay had the motor and integration of the fuel exe.

@DrJMTB Жыл бұрын

If all of the electricity is removed from the e-bike, is it still an electric bike? I’m a stickler for not riding e-bikes on trails that don’t allow them, but as shown I’ve been riding this one on them and will continue to do so. The battery cover doesn’t rattle, and the ability to charge the battery away from the bike for me is one it’s best features. And I usually avoid negativity or sweeping generalizations, but this bike would destroy the Trek in regards to power of the system and capability.

@TeamCykelhold Жыл бұрын

@@DrJMTB I'm not saying you are doing anything wrong, I'm all for it. I'm just saying that it's possible that not all people see it that way. It's nice that it doesn't rattle. Regarding battery - horses for courses. Best of both worlds would without a doubt be an easily removable battery and also be able to charge it without taking it out. Regarding fuel exe, I think it's a matter of horses for courses once again. Fuel set up with a 27.5 rear wheel with frame in high setting and a 160mm Zeb / 38 fork has roughly the same geo as relay but less travel and a lower BB making it unsuitable for some spots but great on most other spots. I have no idea about the power delivery though, but I'll take your word for it since I haven't tried the relay. Happy riding!

@DrJMTB Жыл бұрын

@@TeamCykelhold I will definitely meet halfway and say that it would be cool to be able to charge it with the battery in as well. That being said, I've never had an e-bike where I didn't worry a bit about accidentally leaving the charge port cover open during riding or washing, or in the case of the Rise, breaking 2 different charge port covers. Not having one does take that off the table. Regarding the TQ power, see kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZuzZmd-oZqXY6M for a good comparison. Happy riding!

@ajandlucy Жыл бұрын

Nice review thanks, no motor issues on relays yet?

@DrJMTB Жыл бұрын

Mine is cranking along fine. I haven’t heard of any yet. Fazua is becoming much more popular.

@ajandlucy Жыл бұрын

@@DrJMTB Great hopefully will get mne next month!

@ianmangham4570 Жыл бұрын

I was reading Transistor Relay 😅

@grahamplowman3126 Жыл бұрын

Hey there how would the top mode (Rocket) on the Fazua compare to an EP8? Similar to Eco or Trail?

@DrJMTB Жыл бұрын

Comparing it to an EP8 full power is tough, because the experience is very different. Id say a quick off the cuff comparison (thinking back to the Santa Cruz Heckler I've most recently trail ridden) that the on-trail difference would feel something like the Relay being ~75% of the EP8 in all-out power. To me, the on-trail power is not as far off as you'd think. When I ride the Repeater that we have in the shop around the parking lot, it just has a very different feel to it, and again, I prefer the lighter feel of the Relay.

@grahamplowman3126 Жыл бұрын

@@DrJMTB Thanks for your thinking on this

@catonabike2774 7 ай бұрын

I'm also 5'9" and am between sizes. Per the geometry charts I convinced myself that I'd prefer a large. Do you think you would've been comfortable on a large as well as this medium?

@DrJMTB 7 ай бұрын

Yes, I can almost always do either. I’d probably do a large if I got another one. It was a spacious medium though

@catonabike2774 7 ай бұрын

@@DrJMTB Thank you

@dadventuretv2538 Жыл бұрын

So ’ve been toying with the idea of an enduro bike that is slightly slacker and bigger than my Santa Cruz Bronson V3 (2019) that is my current rig. Reason is I’m enjoying going steeper and gnarlier in the mountains as skills get better, and while Bronson can do it; I’d like something that can give me a bit extra safety net the way my Bronson does on the slightly lesser stuff. I’m 51 with more mileage on my body than I write in a sentence. Lol. But after a mtb trip over week of 4th I’m also looking at ebikes for miles and more gnar and more climbs and more downs in the mountains. I’m thinking the Relay might solve both for me. How would you feel using the Relay at lift assist bike park days? I’m a blue and lower end black flow/jump trails guy, black tech trails guy. That is mainly when I would ride it sans battery.

@DrJMTB Жыл бұрын

I’m very likely going to be taking mine on an out west trip very soon that will involve multiple lift access days. I personally think the relay would be tough to beat, especially if it were going to be your only bike, and you wanted some thing that could do all of the above.

@dadventuretv2538 Жыл бұрын

@@DrJMTB awesome. Thanks man. I’d still keep my Bronson for other trails, but on mountain trips I would probably only take the Relay- so one day might be singletrack and big climbs with battery, and another might be lift day without. Love that versatility with it. Hopefully you get some footage of your trip. 🤙

@DrJMTB Жыл бұрын

@@dadventuretv2538 if you’re keeping the Bronson, I’d give the PNW version of the Relay a hard look 🤙🏼

@dadventuretv2538 Жыл бұрын

@@DrJMTB great minds- lol. That’s the one I want!

@237311 Жыл бұрын

How much is the weight without the battery?

@ianmangham4570 Жыл бұрын

Rides like a TANK

@DrJMTB Жыл бұрын

It can definitely mow down some rough stuff. I probably wouldn't go quite "tank" level on maneuverability though. It handles quite well for what it is.

@ianmangham4570 Жыл бұрын

@@DrJMTB She sure is beautiful 😍 🤟👍🤠💯

@KurtRWalker 6 ай бұрын

Isnt this still 40 pounds with no battery? still kinda portly for days with no battery no?

@thecount1001 3 ай бұрын

no.

@dag681 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the idea in America that riding an E-bike doesn't keep you in shape, is stupid. But that's America for ya. IT's actually far far better to target your HR is ALL workouts. It is simply not good over long term MTB, with the ups and downs of your HR.

@orangielegros Жыл бұрын

Full power Bosch. I’ll take a few pounds penalty

@DrJMTB Жыл бұрын

Also a great motor that is very smooth and has great power. I was able to ride an Orbea Wild with the Bosch and it was great, but definitely didn't have the spry feel of this one. I've yet to ride the new version of the Wild though and would love to try it.

@user-xn1bo9rx5m 7 ай бұрын

soon they can’t tell who has an E bike and who doesn’t, get H U F F Y stickers 😮

@michaelyin2063 Жыл бұрын

Is it Dual Crown Compatible?

@flippy66 Жыл бұрын

Number of crowns doesn't matter, it's the travel. If you're asking if 200mm is compatible then no, but you probably could, you would just invalidate the frame warranty.

@piotrkaczor2966 Жыл бұрын

@@flippy66 Number of crowns does matter, - dual crown forks are structurally stiffer and exert much higher forces on the headtube area of the frame. The use of dual crown forks is specifically forbidden in most bikes, regardless of the fork's travel (it would void the warranty).Relay is one of them, unfortunately (I was also thinking of putting DC on it) Here's the relevant bit of FAQ section, from their website: "Can I put a dual crown fork on the relay? No. The Relay has not been tested for use with a dual crown fork. Due to frame geometry, the steering range would also be too limited.

@TheNationalTrails Жыл бұрын

Koolaid

@DrJMTB Жыл бұрын

If you're asking which flavor, I prefer fruit punch hands down.

@TheNationalTrails Жыл бұрын

Ridden 90+ custom carbon full suspension MTBs. Wrenched them up for Arizona mid-summer desert heat as legit tech climbers/descenders. Could ride at 10mph and cool off with a "26-pound complete" full suspension MTB. Had an unthawing ice-pack to bypass the dynamics of over heating and leg cramping. This motor concept is taking place of the all important "wrenching, component selections, precision geometry, and bike fitting" mastery. It's koolaid. I agree with flavor and selection. It's just that the carry over... Carry over... Carry over of the "not needed, non-organic energy" pulsing upon nature's frontier pace will only continue to develop a law for that place and it's not the law of nature.

@TheNationalTrails Жыл бұрын

m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3STiZWqg7ljgpI Here's an interesting cover photo of a Dirt bike climbing the pits of a mand-made mining dig. Is the bull-dozer or the Redbull dirt bike the greatest machine? Who's the better driver/rider? Conceptually, I'm just illustrating how "pure" the Redbull rider rides, when it's in essence the worse case of non-natural disaster.

@flippy66 Жыл бұрын

@@TheNationalTrails Put some dressing on that word salad.

@siriosstar4789 Жыл бұрын

"Game changer "? 😂 ridiculous hyperbole .

@DrJMTB Жыл бұрын

Tell that to someone who wants an e-bike and a regular bike, but can't afford both 🙂

@siriosstar4789 Жыл бұрын

Woosh !

@flippy66 Жыл бұрын

@@siriosstar4789 What was the joke that your "woosh" implies he missed?

@bikebudha01 Жыл бұрын

As someone who rides a 23lbs hardtail, I am laughing out loud at "without battery... 36lbs..." Must be nice to live on the east coast where there are no climbs...

@DrJMTB Жыл бұрын

I’m also over here laughing at anyone who thinks the East Coast doesn’t have any climbs. I also have a Transition Smuggler that weighs 27 lbs, so my frame of reference is crystal clear.

@bikebudha01 Жыл бұрын

@@DrJMTB Are your 'climbs' bigger than the Rockies? Or the Cascades? Just curious... (Also, your bike is NINE pounds lighter than the bike WITHOUT the battery. AND, it's about a $3,000 hit to get the battery/motor. I suppose if you're really old and weak...)

@TheWrigle Жыл бұрын

What so you consider a climb? My enduro bike weighs 36lbs, and I do 2,000 foot plus climbs on it all the time in SoCal. The climbs here are brutal, much worse then the more gradual climbs in utah where I used to live. Straight up and then straight down. I honestly don't notice the weight that much. I have also got a 29lbs trail bike I ride regularly.

@Jimmy-oq9zq Жыл бұрын

Bro you're so hardcore.

@bikebudha01 Жыл бұрын

@@TheWrigle Funny, Dr J was talking about 'east coast climbs' and you respond with stories about west coast climbs... Also, borrow a lightweight xc bike and do your 2,000 foot climb. Then do it on your enduro. Let me know which one felt better. And why do you ride your lighter trail bike 'regularly'? Is it because it's 7lbs lighter than your enduro? I bet it is. And my point was the featured bike weighs 36lbs WITHOUT the battery. Which means when you run without the battery, your are carrying 3-6 lbs of 'dead weight motor' for no reason. Better off to just by a non-battery bike. Save the money, save the hassle, get in better shape...

@archetype.music.studio Жыл бұрын

I raced my Relay at Bryce in the recent Down-Duro and I took the battery out. It was awesome and pedaling around the base of the park with no battery was no problem. My relay is 38 lbs in L size with no battery (42.6 w/ battery). Not anorexic but for what it is, that’s killer!

@gnar_tar 7 ай бұрын

did your relay rattled ?? which build you have at 38lbs ? thank you