Transphobes of TikTok

Another dive into transphobic TikTok
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[@Leena79]

If someone was to tell me they're a christian, I wouldn't call them an atheist or a muslim. That would be stupid, and kinda rude, even if I personally am not religious. Even if someone is a complete transphobe and doesn't believe the scientific proof of genders being a thing, like this lady who compared gender theory to a religion, then out of respect for other people's beliefs, they still should respect our pronouns. Her logic doesn't add up.

[@lorifiedler13]

Wanna see their head explode? Call them Heathen. 😂

[@Leena79]

@@lorifiedler13 I'm tempted to try 😂.

[@liminaltrash]

Hehe I'm a gay Christian

[@friend_trilobot]

I was trying to figure out how to say something like this, but couldn't figure out how to word it! Good job!

[@tournesol99]

You wouldn't, but people like this have similar behaviours to religious fundamentalists. So really, the logic makes perfect sense in you remove the details and just look at it as the discrimination it is.

[@carr0760]

I always love when I find out I'm not a woman because I'm infertile. I guess I'll start using the men's washroom then. I'm sure that won't bother anyone at all...

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

Ah yes the three genders Male Female and infertile /j

[@RuneDrageon]

I thought i was a cishet guy, but since i found out i don't want kids i am now a pseudo cis guy? It always feels like these kind of people try to find the 'Gotcha!' thing to prove their innate bias rather than actually understanding the huge amount of variables that go into any scientific subject.

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

It really annoys me how he was asked to define a woman and he said "women generally are capable of making babies" because not only was that the first thing in his mind when thinking about women but it also doesn't define it since it doesn't encompass the entire concept It's like if someone asked me to define snakes and I said "well they are generally reptiles with less than 2 legs and arms" which could be the same definition of most reptiles

[@nael-3-]

Yeah just the same as my non binary lover and I (genderdluid) wanting kids- we're now cisgender?

[@RuneDrageon]

@@nael-3- Yes, welcome to my former club! You both can use my seat in the front.

[@Z.A.N.E]

"Gender shouldn't exist" Me, a non-binary person: I can agree for now but I know where this is going-

[@Schnort]

I really am that hoe that says "gender roles are garbage" but gets euphoria for reinforcing traditionally masculine roles to myself.

[@Ajehy]

@@Schnort I think that the biggest problem is being forced into gender roles. I identify quite strongly as a woman, but I hate when people assume that I’m not a hardcore gamer or that I love makeup. My pronouns and identity don’t determine what I can like, achieve or become, and our society needs to learn that.

[@eclatshwartzbaumcybertune2063]

😊😊😊

[@emma-janeadamson4099]

I'm not doubting Jamie's science, but there is certainly an extent to which gender is socially constructed, so, yes, there is reasonable argument that gender shouldn't exist. That doesn't mean you MUST identify as the sex you were assigned at birth, but that that sex doesn't actually mean anything socially.

[@soarimg]

@@Ajehywhat does gender feel like? I’m going through a bit of a crisis

[@whatsyourname9581]

The whole argument of "Pronouns are stupid" and "nobody uses pronouns" is so hilarious, because the only person I can think of that never used pronouns is Dobby, the houseelf from Harry Potter.

[@Ash-ri4xd]

well that's ironic

[@kristinafontaine3097]

And Elmo

[@anzaia2164]

But even for Dobby, when other people refer to him, they use pronouns. So, while Dobby doesn't use pronouns in his own speech, he does go by certain pronouns.

[@JustAdriana]

Whenever I hear or read someone saying that, I use the pronouns I know will make them mad. In this case, I'd just call them she/her, just because I know they're a mysoginystic transphobic moron.

[@raini14]

this is so funny cuz jk rolling is transphobic

[@carr0760]

Wait, wait, wait....did that woman really just say that gender roles exist but gender doesn't?!

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

"Gender doesn't exist, there's only *explains gender* "

[@DeathnoteBB]

As an agender person, a part of me thinks she’s agender and extremely confused

[@alchemysaga3745]

Part of that is people saying that "gender is social" or that "gender is a social construct." Which implies that gender is the same thing as a gender role, and thus that your gender is 'really' your gender role, so it 'shouldn't matter' if you are misgendered, or that you have physical dysphoria. It's basically an attempt at a "gottem" based off the faulty idea that gender, gender role and a biological sex are all 'really the same thing.' And thus that transgender people 'don't exist.' Or that if someone is transgender but doesn't blindly conform to 'gender roles,' for their identifying gender, they 'aren't *really* trans.' It's why I've had an ongoing issue with people saying that gender is a social construct in an attempt to support trans and NB rights- whether people realized it or not, the idea that "gender is a social construct and thus not real, so being trans (and/or) NB is fine" is just as much an invalidation as a validation. Because if gender is a 'social construct' and thus 'not real' it basically lends to 'then there's no reason for you to transition if your gender dysphoria doesn't exist.' But a fair amount of people who try to be allies have become rather mad when I've tried to point this out, because... I guess it is different than what they first learned? shrugging Gender is a fact, as it relates to someone neurology, meaning their literal brain. Gender *roles* and norms are a social construct that consists of expectations placed on an individual based on their interpreted gender and sex. It's malleable, not based in any fact of reality, and can even differ between cultures. Sex is a set of physical traits that ranges across a spectrum, but has historically been oversimplified due to lack of scientific progress, religion and imperialism based oppression, and human fear and hatred of things that are outside the norm to any degree. Or in short, people saying that gender is a social construct leads to some intense and problematic misunderstandings.

[@barrylangille3523]

@@alchemysaga3745 thank you. I was bothered by thevwhole "gender is a social construct" thing for just these reasons. You explained it well. Am I correct in my perception that gender is inherent, but gender roles are the social construct? I think I'm just simplifying what you just said, but but I'd lije to get it clear in my own head.

[@NovaSaber]

@@barrylangille3523 That's the way I've always seen it. "Gender (meaning gender identity) is a social construct" sounds more like the TERF view than the trans-affirming one to me.

[@hawkfae9695]

The "We don't force our religion on you" one feels like such false equivalence. They're not forcing HRT on them, they just want them to respect their choices. Her refusing to refer to someone's gender, would be like someone referring to her as another religion instead of the one she follows.

[@tabby6284]

The problem is some of them do try to force their religion on people. I had a person literally chase me to my car to ask me if I knew about Jesus. There was no provocation she just made untrue assumptions about me because I was wearing a Dark Side star wars shirt. Then when I told her that I already had religion and didn't need hers she tried to hold my car door open, to keep me from leaving, while screaming at me that Jesus love me and I should go to church with her and be saved.

[@murdermyinsanity]

@@tabby6284 My 12yo daughter was literally forced out of our home town because she reported her health teacher for saying god designed women as sexual objects or men and a bunch of anti lgbt stuff. That happened last year in the US. She got many death threats and literal teachers were sharing photos of her home. I’m pretty confident in saying religion being forced on people is a bigger problem than someone asking to be called they.

[@Poedoco]

oh they (the christians) definitely force it. i see that uppercase G and some bible quote and i’m runnin

[@hevalemin6520]

Religion gets forced on LGBTQ+ people ALL THE TIME

[@baizhuwaitingroom7057]

It's so ironic, because literally no one forces HRT on them, on the contrary, coming from a Catholic country, I got forcefully signed up for that cult by getting baptised as an infant, and then force-fed religion until my late teens even though the part of family I was raised by isn't religious in the first place, it's just this ever-present pressure from the society, and the fact the Church can't mind its business and is trying to creep into your life at every step.

[@scooter6104]

Okay, but it's clear that the second tiktoker has never interacted with someone related to a non-binary person. The conversation would've been a bit more like this OP: Is he your brother? Person: Actually, they're my sibling. Their name is [insert name here]. That would normally be it (unless the tiktoker wanted to try and cause drama).

[@KougajiCalling]

I do believe that is the point.

[@AnnieL194]

to be honest I did get screamed at for assuming. I'm not saying it's common but it does happen xD

[@vexgnos5184]

I love how people think they/them can’t be used in a singular form, and then proceed to use it in a singular form its just ✨magnificent✨

[@webeewaboo]

Pro tip: Stuffing cats down your pants makes you a woman, and stuffing chicken down your pants makes you a man. Easy fix for dysphoria.

[@Missingno_Miner]

Rather abusive to the cat or rooster, which can and will hurt you if you do that. I don't just mean physically, speaking as a cat owner, cats are capable of being very petty and they *will* find ways to torture you while looking too adorable to stay mad at them for long. Can't say the same for the rooster, having never had one as a pet, but there are still less sentient options.

[@jennasmol285]

What does 3 cats make me?

[@Missingno_Miner]

@@jennasmol285 I think it makes you a minimum of two short of being considered the "crazy cat lady" stereotype.

[@R_i_t_s_u]

what about nonbinarys? do we just, jump out the window or--

[@Missingno_Miner]

@@R_i_t_s_u Maybe try a hen instead of a rooster? Idk, just don't jump out any windows.

[@Mel-qr5ob]

"forcing" lol we're not telling HER to be trans. But she said she forces her religion on others, ie she wants YOU to be Christian.

[@echo_soldier]

"Can you call me they/them?" "YOURE FORCING YOUR GENDER ON ME OH MY GOD" "But they're my pronouns-" "I AM A WOMAN HOW DARE YOU" Literally what she sounded like

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

You know, it's like when transphobes treat rights as a zero sum game. What they're really complaining about is losing their religiously motivated "right" to harass and discriminate. In addition to the fact that they don't speak for all Christians, they also never had those rights to begin with. Saying something stupid, and having others say things back, is not the same as losing one's right to free speech.

[@DeathnoteBB]

“We’re not taking y’all to court over Jesus” Bruh It was called the Inquisition

[@sisuguillam5109]

@@DeathnoteBB and quite often they actually do try to take people to court... or at least try to. The cheek!

[@DenisLiasis]

You are due forcing your idiocy on others. And if they do not comply they are automatically transphobic and everything else. No one is going to agree with you on everything. Especially on scientific things like biology.

[@Greysona]

“THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN SOMETHING IS FORCED DOWN YOUR THROAT!!” *makes up a strawman scenario that has never happened in the entire span of time and space itself*

[@LaylaSpellwind]

"Are they your sibling?" Done, easy. Grammatically correct.

[@mileswestrich8236]

props to u for having the actual patience to watch these and react so calmly

[@ChristianGibbons777]

Well it’s pretty easy to react calmly to these things. I can see where they’re coming from also. Why’s it challenging for you to be calm when watching these also??

[@bnuuyboy]

@@ChristianGibbons777 not all of us are neurotypical and if i am subjected to certain statements constantly it does make me less than calm even if i've found myself able to keep to myself, i've been diagnosed literal PTSD and the main contributor being microagressions that my psyc said contributed to that diagnosis, and microagressions can be even less than how blatant some of these remarks are

[@dabi-is-online23]

Ikr, I could never lmao

[@arizonagreenbee]

@@bnuuyboy I'm neurodivergent and take steps to heal and be able to react calmly in a high stress situation. It's hard but it's possible.

[@semperfi818]

@@ChristianGibbons777 Some of us have what amounts to an allergy to stupidity and/or mean-spiritedness, that renders unmediated exposure to these sorts of bigotries genuinely painful; I'd presume that my being neurodivergent might factor into this, as others have stated. Jamie's sweet decency and playful approach do, however, leach enough toxicity out of these bursts of concentrated transphobia and ignorance that I can happily watch him gracefully take the piss out of them without issue.

[@hannahtaylor8563]

I’ve always wondered if people that are discriminatory know that their being irrational, or do they truly believe their delusions

[@skarloey1214]

I Think It's A Bit of Both And I'm Not Sure Which Is More Sad.

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

Depends on the person, some don't really believe it but still say it because there is an incentive (usually money) others just say it because they believe it

[@sweetsanddandy8639]

Jesus girl believes in her delusions. Her transphobic ones and her religious ones.

[@pneumaofthedreamrealm8977]

A lot of times, yes they do believe them. I say this as someone who used to be one. It often happens because of the environment people are raised in and maintained by creating an echo chamber around themselves

[@oats8854]

@The werewolf of Tibet still stalking trans creators, i see. don't you have friends? or family? or a girlfriend? i suppose the obvious answer is no, otherwise you wouldn't be spending your time harrassing strangers on the internet.

[@jaaaaayyyyyy66]

I'm cisgender but my partner is trans and I love watching these videos because they teach me a lot about this stuff. Thank you Jamie ❤️❤️

[@raywilliams212]

As an English teacher... no one gives a shit about grammar until they want to pretend they know what a pronoun is... Go on, ask a transphobe to list the pronouns. See how long it takes.

[@charliemorningstar7251]

There's a difference between forcing religion on someone and requesting that they respect someone's correct name and pronouns. Forcing religion is intentionally making someone feel guilty for not believing in God or for not following the Bible if they do believe in a higher power (the Bible isn't meant to be taken literally). Requesting respect from others, the same respect that everyone deserves and requests everyday, is basic human decency. Let's all just respect everyone and stop trying to cause divisions that are both stupid and disrespectful. Everyone is valid for who they are and they love. 🖤💜

[@alicebthegachaweirdo8378]

That’s so true.

[@TheMagicPinecone]

That really tells you how transphobes (or a least the one lady in the video) feel about it then. They don't want to show a certain kind of people basic human decency so badly that they compare it to forcing beliefs down their throat. It shows that they really believe that stuff like gender identity is a belief and ideology that they simply don't agree with.

[@fantasticesther]

It’s kinda like asking my aunt out to brunch in the middle Ramadan. Like “no I can’t go out to lunch because it’s Ramadan” all I gotta do is “okay cool let me know when you can come to lunch” she’s not pushing her religion on me but simply asking me to respect the rules of her religion.

[@no6911]

@The werewolf of Tibet what does that have to do with religion?

[@Birdkiller46]

You don’t have to be okay with me being trans. But you do have to use my pronouns. That’s respect. I don’t care if you secretly don’t think trans people exist, as long as you don’t misgender me and deadname me. Trans people are supported by science. Respect my gender. I’ll also respect your religion. I don’t believe in god or anything. But I’m not going to tell you that your beliefs are fake. I really don’t care. If you say you’re praying for me, that’s fine. That’s a great sentiment. I’ll absolutely be fine with you going to Church or whatever. I respect your beliefs, I’m not making you an atheist. We aren’t making cis people trans. It’s not that hard. Respect my pronouns.

[@YasugoLiehu]

2:01 Does she not realize that people have been persecuted, tried, and executed for not believing in certain religions? Does she also not understand that trans and queer people have been persecuted and killed for being who they are?

[@DeathnoteBB]

But has Jesus ever sued them??? /s

[@lindabelcher974]

No one tell her about the crusades

[@FeralFelineFriend]

People have been sueing public schools for not teaching the bible, which is forcing religion on people when they make it a required class. There were public schools who used to force kids to pray, until atheist kids were like "we don't wanna do that". They forget that the world does not revolve around them.

[@Ajehy]

I bet she’s one of those people who gets angry when people say “Happy Holidays”.

[@lazyperfectionist3978]

yeah, she royally pissed me off because of that ignorance of history, and yet people like her wonder why they get given nicknames like y'all qaeda and Christian ISIS when they cause harm to other people through their ignorance of history

[@katherinehavegreen515]

"Last I saw we weren't taking people to court for not believing in jesus" Well, no, you were *setting them on fire* History classes anyone?

[@ladyredl3210]

My favorite is "no you were shoving ice picks in our eyes because we didn't believe in Jesus."

[@hannahphelps1901]

The "genetics don't mess up" is wild to me, as someone with a genetic disorder. Like my genes built my connective tissue wrong, but couldn't have possibly screwed anything else around.

[@leahmcnaughton5143]

I hate when people say "real women have xx chromosomes, the ability to have children, etc." it's not only so transphobic but also demeaning to cis women who don't qualify their genetic and reproductive standards. on top of that there are so many biological challenges to their opinion of how gender is "BIOlogical" and "NATural". for example, Turner's syndrome, A genetic disorder in which AFAB people have a missing or broken x chromosome resulting in infertility and small stature. another example is hermaphrophrodites people with a genetic trait in which they can produce both gametes. and im sure there are more gender-tripping life lessons Gods created for those imbisils.

[@arandomteto]

I agree, many transphobic keep saying that trans women shouldnt be allowed in women’s bathrooms because “they have too much testosterone“. im a woman with above average levels of testosterone and this statement basically says that cis women with higher levels of testosterone are men and that’s false.

[@jennoscura2381]

Because of intersex conditions TERFs have switched to talking about gametes.

[@Lil__ichigo]

Someone with turners here! Totally agree

[@slimetank394]

@@jennoscura2381 what is that?

[@fourleafclover2064]

@@slimetank394Intersex refers to Differences of Sexual Development where the genitals, chromosomes, hormones, or any secondary sequel characteristic does not align with typical binary ( male or female) characteristic. " intersex" is a more polite/ accurate word for "hermaphrodite" (which some consider a slur/insult.) Basically, someone that is intersex isn't male or female, or is a combination of either, to varying degrees. It happens about every 1 in 1000 or 2000 births

[@rmansfield6]

"We aren't taking you to court for not serving Jesus" expect most anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage laws are literally that? And Jordan Peterson clearly hasn't taken any biology beyond kindergarden biology, chromosomes do not determine genitalia, hormones do and it is possible for an XY person to come out with female genitalia and indeed you have both male and female internal genitalia (wolffin and mullerian ducts) as a fetus (until the hormone thing). This is literally basic physiology and while I'd guess most people don't know it, anyone with any background in medicine or a related field does.

[@alexisflory6496]

Yes! I was just reading about some of that! The xy with female genitals is basically because of a gene that is mutated so that it doesn't respond to hormonal influences during prenatal sexual development (I can't remember the word but like when the organs go to the one determined by chromosomes). Biology is truly fascinating. Sorry, I guess I'm a bit excited about genetics and how they affect people.

[@rmansfield6]

@@alexisflory6496 Don't apologize lol, it's super important to know if you want to go into anything related to healthcare. And I am not 100% sure I understand what you mean by determined by chromosomes? If you mean the condition is called androgen insensitivity syndrome (complete on that case).

[@alexisflory6496]

@@rmansfield6 tis that yes!

[@SMikechannel]

I love how second woman goes and say "we do not take you to court for not serving Jesus" like the Inquisition wasn't a thing... Okay 👌

[@yulia_plat]

This really happened to me. My university teacher called me Natalia, although my name is Julia. It was funny the first time, because only two girls from our group went to her class, and both were named Julia (there were 10 boys and 3 girls in the group.) I corrected her, then it happened again, I corrected again. At one point we had a class with several groups (50+ people) and she called me Natalia, then at first she was indignant that I did not react, and then she was indignant when I loudly repeated that my name was Julia. The next time I corrected her, she simply told me that she was not going to change, and I had better respond to Natalia, because she is not interested in the fact that IT IS NOT MY NAME. The funny thing is that 3 years before this situation, I started writing a book where the girl was not called by her name, and I was afraid that it was too unrealistic. The universe decided to show me how right I was

[@existenz_1]

They are talking about proper English but don't even know what a pronoun is.

[@Siilikeiju]

I always wonder if they'd get really upset in a situation where they would for some reason have to learn my language (Finnish). The Finnish language doesn't have gendered pronouns and in your day-to-day friendly informal talk people usually refer to a third person as se (literally "it"). Would these people have an existential crisis over it? Would their entire world fall apart?

[@vivientakacs5599]

@@Siilikeiju Same in Hungarian. We don't have gender pronouns, only "ő" (lit. they/them), so you will only know who we are talking about when a name or words like woman/man are mentioned. In fact, MOST languages around the world don't have gendered pronouns either. I know that in Chinese for example, you refer to everyone as "tā" but you only know which gender it technically is if you see the words written down (她 for she; 他 for he/can also be used when the gender is not important and is the character used when there are multiple people). Then there are the languages that have a bunch of gender pronouns for different types of gender expressions. I might be wrong in this because I also only know it from hearing from a native American person, that they have multiple pronouns for let's say a stereotypically "feminine" woman is called something else than a "masculine" woman. But transphobes just want to spew their bs so it doesn't matter.

[@whatsyourname9581]

@@vivientakacs5599 to add to the Chinese one: They literally didn't have these three different symbols for he and she pronouns before westeners came in. Before that, they were the same symbols

[@vivientakacs5599]

@@whatsyourname9581 I did not know that lol. I'm just a beginner and even though the first year I was taught by a native Chinese speaking teacher (which is why I was confident in mentioning it because I know this much at least), but she didn't explain all the things. Somehow it doesn't surprise me that they added +1 way of writing the pronoun bc of westerners 🙃🙃 At the same time, I wish they didn't, because why would any language need to be changed just so some other people won't have to fuss about what to call you? Especially a language as old as Chinese? Most English speakers can't even tell that the names in Chinese are reversed.

[@jelatinosa]

@@Siilikeiju that's the opposite of Spanish. The Spanish language is extremely gendered and there are almost no neutral words in spanish. Even objects and things are gendered.

[@labellissimabritneyellis7230]

SO UPDATE TIME: With much inspiration from the wonderful trans community, and from creators such as Jamie and Samantha Lux, I have officially come out to EVERYONE! Every single friend and family member now knows me as Britney. Thank you all for the love and support! Love you Jamie

[@TheTossedOne]

Congrats, Britney!

[@kazikek2674]

Congrats on a whole bunch of new people now being able to recognize you as Britney, and good luck going forward.

[@CandidCascade]

personally I hope you came out to at least one person by saying "it's Britney bitch"

[@kazikek2674]

@@CandidCascade Honestly... Yeah. Yes. Do eet.

[@TreespeakerOfTheLand]

I hope it went well

[@sheilarough236]

I work in a hospital, and literally just did an online education on correct gender/ pronouns and sensitivity training. Comes down to “ ask the patient what name the patient prefers to be called and which pronouns to be used”.

[@possumfriend2335]

When do you ever directly refer to a person with pronouns?

[@gaildahlas]

@@possumfriend2335 the words "you" and "yours" are pronouns, aren't they? A hospital environment also usually involves multiple people within earshot of the patient, so indirect referral is equally as important.

[@Kajaks00n]

"gender is whats in your pants". My gender is lack of pockets

[@theviewer6889]

My gender is a second pair of pants.

[@alyssayutzler1527]

i always keep a piece of paper in my wallet that says "your mom" so if this ever comes up, i can pull out my wallet and show them whats in my pants lol

[@Kajaks00n]

@@alyssayutzler1527 teach me your ways master

[@sonctheheadgear7339]

the sheer wrongness of transphobes will never cease to amaze me 😬

[@linden5165]

And how confident they are in their wrongness.

[@MattPhonee]

Not to mention, they try to hide their insecurity behind religion or "grammar"

[@DrTssha]

@@MattPhonee A thing that _inherently shifts_ over time, and is even a named phenomenon: lingual drift. So they can't even get linguistics right!

[@picante28]

*terrify me :[

[@MattPhonee]

@Anel Suranchiyeva Hey! Thanks! I forget about that one sometimes...

[@OldPixielChannel]

Fun fact: the usage of they/them using as singular and plural dates back to Shakespeare.

[@Arcanist_Gaming]

Possibly even further, actually. I think that's always been a thing in English.

[@OldPixielChannel]

@@Arcanist_Gaming Still, people say they/them singular is wrong, yet Shakespeare used both singular and plural. So was Shakespeare using incorrect grammar then? Sometimes people can be so stupid.

[@flarewolf]

@@OldPixielChannel I've actually heard people make the argument that he isn't speaking modern English so it doesn't count not realizing that this argument proves that language changes over time.

[@OldPixielChannel]

@@flarewolf You know what I find funny? People that say it's not proper English use they/them as singular all the time.

[@Arcanist_Gaming]

@@OldPixielChannel I don't believe he was, that's my point; English has always used they-them for singular entities of unknown gender (again, as far as I know.) Honestly, with how far the degradaton of English knoledge has progressed, random people _saying_ it's incorrect English carries no weight whatsoever.

[@Professional_Machine_Fucker]

Ive had religion forced down my throat all the time. Im a trans atheist, and I can say asking someone to use the correct pronouns is not the same as forcing a religion onto someone... I had someone once before say that you either go to heaven or hell and god exists and whatever and all that. I was not having it that day.

[@jacobc9221]

The word "themself" proves that they/them can be singular.

[@Adamant_Adam]

Thank you for this. As someone who actually passed highschool English, I get so angry at people using grammar as an excuse to be transphobic, when their grammar is that of a dropouts!

[@TheMark1999]

Based on that one woman who thinks gender can’t be proven, by her logic, emotions aren’t real, because we can’t physically know it’s there either. We know emotions exists because we can tell based on how people act. They can also just tell you what they’re feeling. Gender is related to how you feel. I’m sorry if I worded it weirdly, it’s just something that I wanted to say as an example of how bad her argument is.

[@yejiluvrr]

Exactly

[@butterflypooo]

Maybe she doesn’t really believe in love and thinks that just “serotonin and dopamine tricking your brain”. 🙄

[@John_Weiss]

You know what else can't be proven? G*d

[@elisei.c.4079]

If shes Christian (I’m assuming things about her here) she literally just proved, by that logic, that God is bs lol

[@sarahstardust]

When I first came out to my dad as nonbinary, he said he didn't expect me to believe in something based on feelings (I'm generally more logic, science, and evidence based in my assertions). I had to explain it to him in this way too. He has depression and it's real even though it's easier to explain in terms of feelings than brain chemistry and he has no real physical evidence to show for it. There is evidence that nonbinary people exist and scientific theories about why they do, but as an individual it makes the most sense to talk about it in terms of how I feel.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

I mean I don't disagree that gender is a silly thing, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a fact that it exists as a concept within society and we must all negotiate how we relate to it. No point in complaining about trans people, they just relate to the world differently.

[@robokill387]

I know, it's kind of like claiming that because race as a concept is a nonsense social construct, that we can just ignore the existence of race. Doesn't work like that in reality.

[@alexshemwell8320]

She completely missed the possibility of gender being cultural. It's not just "stereotypes", it affects how you're expected to act, dress, behave, and purchase.

[@robokill387]

@@alexshemwell8320 there's a real possibility that there is such a thing as an inate gender identity, the exact nature of gender is not fully understood, but there have been several studies of cis boys being raised as girls, and it was found that loads of them had gender dysphoria and self identified as boys despite being told they were girls their whole lives. As I said, we don't know for sure, but I feel some people disregard this possibility too easily.

[@fourleafclover2064]

@@robokill387 Do you know the name of this study or have a link to it? I'm curious to read it, and wonder how they could conduct that study ethically, it must be a case study

[@nondescriptcat5620]

@@robokill387 there's a biological basis for all behavior: it's brains. in humans, there aren't many structural differences between a man's brain and a woman's, but there are a few specific structures, and in trans people, those structures tend to correspond to the gender they identify as rather than their birth sex. we aren't sure how those structures may impact identity, but there seems to be a strong correlation. you can also see what seems to be gender or proto-gender phenomena in social non-human animals, and in some cases they too can demonstrate distinctness from birth sex. there's a group of lionesses with elevated androgen, who grew manes and began exhibiting male lion behaviors, marking territory and even mounting other lionesses, which seems to indicate that social aspects of gender identity can be independent of sex, even without the level of conceptual framework humans are capable of.

[@fictional-girl_05]

Guy: *I* think pronouns are stupid Literally anyone who has ever taken an English class: You just used one.

[@victoriahoffman4626]

I like how people keep forgetting that all the pronouns thing is basically the same as discussing someone's name. Like, if I ask you to call me "Vic" instead of "Richard" is that me forcing my name on you or me just asking you to be respectful? Pronouns are the same, call me this, not this. On the other hand, asking someone to believe a religion and change their lifestyle in order to fit that religion... seems a bit oppressive, yes. I'm catholic, and I still think wanting other people to believe in what you believe is not reasonable, but it is reasonable to ask politely to be referred to with the proper name/pronoun.

[@urmom2272]

I love how Jammi is always so sweet even if people are being rude-

[@Specters0rd]

Idk how he does it. XD

[@urmom2272]

@@Specters0rd idk either lol

[@carmenmonoxide6082]

Agreed. She's surprisingly pleasant.

[@piggygamer9745]

@@carmenmonoxide6082 he really is

[@lunatheluma3804]

@@carmenmonoxide6082 there is no way you did that on accident, if you are going to watch his videos you could at least use his correct pronouns

[@Beans-up6qi]

Ok, I just want to say this.. Chromosomes have literally NOTHING to do if you're biologically female or male. There are plenty of men who have the "female" chromosome and plenty of women who have the "male" chromosome.. That doesn't make either the opposite sex or gender. There are also surgeries to transition, so the whole "what's in your pants" isn't really proving anything either. As for the the whole "Oh! Women are child bearing, hell's waterfall, feminine human beings." is a total blow as well. Some women don't have kids. They're might be unable to or maybe just don't want them. Some women don't have periods. Hell, some women aren't even feminine. Does any of these things make a girl any less of a girl? No. Some just aren't able to, whether they're afab or not. Lastly, please use preferred pronouns. We aren't forcing anything on you. We aren't saying "Gay is the way." We are not forcing you to like the same sex nor are we asking you to transition. We are simply stating that we prefer to be called [insert pronoun]. How would you like it if you're a guy, who identifies as male, but we call you she/her? You wouldn't like that, you would get offended and stand against it. So why don't we have the right to do the same? "Ok Steven." "Oh, my name is Johny.." "But I want to call you Steven? Or you pushing your beliefs on me!? That's so rude!" No. Johny was not pushing his beliefs on Samantha. He was just saying that his name is Johny or he would rather be called Johny. Is that really so bad? If you actually stuck around and read this whole rant, thank you. If not, meh, whatever. I can't force you to. Oh! And if there's anything you want to add that I may have missed, or you want to correct me on something, go ahead and tell me. If you just don't understand because I either didn't give enough information or I didn't say it in a clear way, I'll try to re-word it a bit or correct myself. Thank you! Have a wonderful day/night!

[@John_Weiss]

_The biologist who discovered the X- and Y-chromosomes_ said that *_they are not_** the "femininity" and "masculinity" chromosomes.* But that manipulative propagandist, Jordan Peterson, thinks he knows better than not only biologists, but the one who actually discovered the X- and Y-chromosomes.

[@mitchystuff]

I'd like to add that he literally invalidated all women over 50 since they got their menopause and can't get preggo anymore

[@DestructionGlitter]

Imagine a cis woman phoning a call center and being called "sir" because she has a low voice. Imagine this person going "it's 'ma'am!'" repeatedly and still being called "sir" because her voice sounds "masculine". Imagine the outrage. Now look back at a trans* person correcting someone with their pronouns. Yeah.

[@cosplaymemories1487]

@@mitchystuff actually, there have been women over 50, with menopause and without that have had children! I found that out recently! :D

[@cosplaymemories1487]

Don't forget about intersex individuals! :D

[@Castkett4ever]

after watching the "are trans women real women" guy, my cis woman ass just laughed and said "oh well, guess I'm not a woman anymore. They should have told me that before I had chemo" (/s) lol everything was so wrong, it really showed he believes in something he has no knowledge of. It happens so often and for so many topics, it's sad!

[@phelllandborn6478]

"Delusions" are apparently what we now call biology, psychology and neuroscience... But who can be bothered to check into science that's been published in the past 20 years before acting an ass online. Or in person. Or at literally any point in life. Asserting personally held ignorance is, after all, a far more important human right than human beings existing free of harassment and discrimination. Typical.

[@jaspercat6407]

Why can’t transphobes just acknowledge the fact that the most we affect them is them having to respect pronouns and preferred names and SOMETIMES protests block traffic?

[@StudlyFudd13]

And the protests only exist because of them....It's maddening.

[@RosieGoldie85]

Like, its just basic human kindness. That whole "i shouldnt have to give you anything, i dont need to do good things for you, how dare you expect me to be nice to you" mentality. Its literally just a WORD, well, 3 words actually. 3 whole entire words. Thats literally it. Thats all we ask. We arent asking them to do anything, we arent asking them to kiss the ground we walk on, we just want them to say some different words sometimes. Its easy, it costs nothing, the only reason they dont is becuase they just dont want to be good to us. They dont want to "give us" anything, they want to be selfish and only care about themselves.

[@mattj5391]

What about girls competing in sports where a male is in their category?

[@RosieGoldie85]

@@mattj5391 But a male isnt in their category. Trans women are women, not men

[@jaspercat6407]

@@mattj5391 stfu trans women are women. They my be male but that’s only until they get the surgery. Other than that anyone in women’s sports is a woman

[@sadfaery]

Every single law in the US restricting reproductive health, sex education, and anything to do with sexual orientation or gender identity is based on specific types of religious beliefs. They're literally using their religion to regulate other people's rights and lives. That is incredibly different from asking people to be respectful of someone's gender and pronouns. That is why we are so frustrated with people trying to force their religion on us. They're embedding it into actual law. And it's incredibly detrimental to society and to people's physical and mental health when they do that.

[@John_Weiss]

…and they've been doing it since the 1990s. In 1992, they amended the Colorado state constitution to strip all gay men, lesbians, and bisexuals of any and all protection under the law. [They didn't know trans people existed yet.] I was living there at the time, and came out. It was overturned by the Supreme Court of the United States in 1996. But the current Supreme Court would uphold it 6 to 3. And we all know it.

[@sadfaery]

@@John_Weiss Oh, I'd go even further. They did it all the way back in the 1950s during the Red Scare, when they added "under god" to the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954 and changed our national motto from "e pluribus unum" (out of many one) to "in god we trust" in 1956. The beginnings of the organized push for Christian nationalism go all the way back to that time. Maybe earlier, but that's when it started to get a really powerful stronghold on our government in an organized, concerted way. And now it's ballooned into gargantuan proportions, with things like the National Prayer Breakfast and so much more working to normalize the role of religious ideology-based legislation and, indeed, Supreme Court stacking and ideologically-driven decision making. I'm terrified for the future of reproductive rights in the U.S. right now, and I'm in Florida, where we have a LOT of bad anti-LGBTQ+ and anti-reproductive rights bills making their way through our legislature right now and a Republican supermajority under Governor Ron DeSantis that all but guarantees their passage.

[@deee3950]

@@sadfaery , so your logic is that your religion and cult ideology needs to be forced into other people? And they have to practice what you are practice? If someone prays before they eat and I talk to someone else during the prayer… can they yell at me and demand that I pray too? No. No they cannot.

[@sadfaery]

@@deee3950 No, that's not what I said. Not even a little bit. I said that legislators in local, state, and federal government throughout the US are ALREADY doing this crap every single time they pass laws that are restricting reproductive rights or LGBTQ+ rights or things like that. And it's extremely harmful to everyone when they do that. All anti-abortion laws are religiously-motivated. All anti-LGBTQ+ laws are religiously-motivated. They're already forcing their religious beliefs into our laws and our lives, which I believe completely violates our constitutional rights because those laws, whether they admit it or not, are already religious in nature. And they need to be overturned.

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

Yeah Repugantans 100% want the U.S. to be a theocratic ethnostate.

[@thechaoticduck1716]

Ever since my friend came out as trans, I have become the only male in my friend group. I NEED REINFORCEMENTS! Anyways, I’m out-numbered.

[@hallway_revenant7919]

I hate pronouns so much because I have to physically stop myself from saying my name and instead say ‘I’. Lmao. Also nice pfp

[@isabellarobinson6082]

Jamie actually made a point that I wished was brought up more in discussions like these. People who don't have just XX or XY chromosomes are very common and I would know because my nephew was born with an extra X chromosome. Love how people are under the notion that the human body is nautraly either this or that when their are serval peices of evidence against it.

[@benburke3015]

The lady in that second tiktok is definitely the kind of person that would say they aren't transphobic because they're not actively scared of trans people. Lol.

[@Birdkiller46]

My school pulled that one on me 😂. One of the executive directors was like “We aren’t scared of trans people, so the school can’t be transphobic.” Ah yes, separating everything by gender and then, as a trans guy, forcing me to take my meds, do deep clean, and do activities with girls and sit with girls in car rows and being in the girls dorm?? Nah, not transphobic. People fail to realize transphobia is so much more than just “being afraid of trans people.”

[@Adamant_Adam]

@@Birdkiller46 but it is all based on fear, because they can't help but feel terrified of what we *might* do and all the bad things that "will happen" if we are allowed to simply exist. It actually terrifies them, and they think it works when they say it isn't about fear. They are afraid, because they think daddy god will spank them if they think trans is ok lmfao

[@jennasmol285]

@@Adamant_Adam Funny how we, a small minority, maybe a percent of the global population have the ability to overthrow governments and destroy world economies. How tf do we use this power?

[@thepurpleshade486]

You’re like a cool older brother that exposes me to the evil of the world and says look at these stupid people that cannot hurt you because they’re so stupid and incompetent, thank you Jamie

[@Didi-wo7vd]

@Silent this is literally a lovely comment on a video about debunking disrespectful ideology and you still felt the need to say that. it was uncalled for. if you can't accept who people are, stay silent. its literally your name :)

[@fritzyfritzyfritzyfritzy]

currently projecting my wishes of having a big bro onto him damn :’)

[@peachyevren5789]

@Silent tell us you have noone who loves you in your life without telling us you have noone who loves you in your life:

[@slimetank394]

@Silent cry me a river

[@chasechase6259]

@Silent *brother. Jamie is Jamie. You are you. There's no need to cry that you can't have a Jamie in your life. Everyone can have a Jamie but not everyone deserves one. You, seem to fall under the second category. There's no need to try and put someone down when you have a different mindset than others. Especially when someone is being respectful to you and educating people while having fun. I don't appreciate it and and sure others don't as well.

[@mariajoseisaisgutierrez5127]

2:51 Exactly! Let me put myself as an example. I have my legal name, and I don't like it, I never have, but changing it I expensive, and I'm financially dependent on my transphobic and homophobic parents, so I just rather people call me by a nickname. When people call me by my legal name, I just say, "Actually, I'd prefer it if you called me X", and if the person continued to call me by my legal name because they say "that's YOUR name, I'm not calling you anything else" that would definitely be considered rude. It's the same with pronouns. It literally costs people nothing to use the correct pronouns, whether that means binary pronouns, they/them, or any neopronouns. PS: I'm bisexual and genderfluid, by the way.

[@dumbledoresaidcalmly1499]

They/them isn't wrong grammar lmaoo, I learnt how to use them before I knew about the lgbtq, like, in 3rd grade.

[@sweetsanddandy8639]

Refusing to use someone's correct pronouns because you don't "believe" in them would be akin to talking or laughing during someone saying a prayer before eating. I don't believe in that, but I'm not an asshole, so I stay respectfully quiet.

[@justsomerandomname2067]

Not really. Not laughing is passive, correct gendering is active. More like if they asked you to pray before you eat food too because they believe that eating without a prayer is a sin and they dont want people to sin in their house.

[@kaylaa2204]

@@justsomerandomname2067 correct gendering is passive though To force someone to pray is to ask them to show homage to a god they do not believe in nor wish to honor For someone to say "oh my name's bob" and you throw a scene about instead of just calling them bob" is a whole lot different. It doesn't really affect you, and has no personal connection to you Religion is part of your identity, so someone asking you to go against your religion is the same thing as asking someone to silenty go by whatever you want to call them, and expect to never correct you

[@superfluousnscrupulous9458]

7:50 Ma'am, have you heard about diseases that can be passed from parent to child or randomly mutate in DNA? Like HPV, cancer, schizophrenia, degenerative muscle and bone disorders, near sightedness, and the like? It's almost like DNA and the human body is flawed and not always a good marker for how things are meant to be

[@TreespeakerOfTheLand]

Exactly. On an unrelated note: that woman is like the English version of my egg donor in her mannerisms and voice. Doubly awful for me...

[@NyoomMonster]

Not a good marker for what's functional

[@atlas1867]

I went from hardcore Catholic, transphobic, homophobic, perfect daughter for my family, to beings pan, non-binary agnostic individual.

[@atlas1867]

@Women's safety > Men's feelings and I never had a father, thanks

[@noahgetnick5163]

I am so impressed how you can respond so well to these people who baselessly attack you. Thank you so much for your words and kindness. It’s exactly what people need to hear

[@phoebebraterman5246]

Hi Jamie. Just like to say, I started watching your videos as a "cis lesbian who's an ally to trans people" and have since realised I'm a genderfluid person (I also use the terms transmasc and non binary) and creators like you (but specifically you :) have really helped me to accept myself and realise how toxic transphobes really are.

[@pi172]

Based

[@phoebebraterman5246]

btw my youtube name is my deadname so ignore that shit lmao

[@pi172]

@@phoebebraterman5246 Based [insertyournamehere].^^

[@artemis754]

damn! good for you!

[@ZeldaRoseSongbook]

Well said, (insert chosen name). May euphoria find you all your days.

[@morgangreen8777]

i needed something like this to laugh at bigots after my state passed a bill that they're calling "dont say gay" basically banning any mention of lgbtq in schools which effing sucks for kids. im not in school but god my heart right now is in pain for all my queer siblings going to school and having to deal with that bs. i always appreciate the making fun of transphobes

[@chloepatterson7419]

Let me guess... Texas?

[@morgangreen8777]

@@chloepatterson7419 lol no its the other bad state. florida. though i will not be shocked if texas gets inspired. the south is awful

[@VexRavenhardt]

Gender identity isn't a choice. Practicing religion is a choice. Change my mind.

[@mickaliajackson8796]

"Made up by persons in university"... so educated persons who took time out to learn more about the subject matter

[@skarloey1214]

Exactly

[@superfluousnscrupulous9458]

Remember everyone: gender identity isn't the same as sex, say it with me now, gender identity isn't the same as sex

[@skarloey1214]

Gender identity isn't the same as sex.

[@artemis754]

gender identity is not the same as sex

[@Professional_Machine_Fucker]

Gender identity isnt the same as sex!!

[@Alexandra-if1co]

Gender identity isn't the same as sex

[@fleefli2673]

Gender identity isn't the same as sex

[@butterflypooo]

It’s funny how instead of saying “I believe in gender roles”, she goes out of her way to say, “I believe in sex roles” (which sounds even more ridiculous) in order to make her point that *gender isn’t real*. She believes in gender roles but refuses to call them that. 👀

[@kazikek2674]

I guess she opposes the cowgirl position because women can't be on top? IDK man, I'm genuinely confused.

[@John_Weiss]

"Sex roles?" Like, "woman lies there on her back and thinks of England," or, "man always on top," sex roles?

[@chapachuu]

This one was just confusing. I don’t know what she was trying to say.

[@dtown_demon]

And feminism is literally against gender roles

[@possumfriend2335]

It's weird but I've seen several videos where parents of young children who say they're trans knew they were trans for reasons such as they liked a color associated with the opposite gender in modern times, like a boy who liked pink, or frilly things, or the child liked wearing clothes typical of the opposite gender. So how are these examples not using gender stereotypes to justify that a child must be the opposite sex and should be set on a path of medicalization?

[@user-es9fe3el2x]

her: “that’s not proper english!!!” also her: “y’all” “i’m like… like…. like….”

[@firefoxpotato3559]

9:33 that's not nonbinary that's gender-Fluid

[@justaries.]

As a genderfluid person, u genuinely cracked me up LMFAOOOO

[@sillijk]

Lmaooooo

[@ReidTheNintendoPainter]

Here's your daily reminder on what pronouns are: He, him, his, she, her, hers, you, your, yours, I, my, me, our, ours, they, them, their, theirs, we, mine. Thanks for your time!

[@PidgeyHowler]

Apparently she's such a stickler for proper grammar that she missed the part where they is a commonly used term to refer to a person of either ambiguous or unidentified gender. As someone who is actually quite fussed about proper grammar - despite sucking at it - the grammar argument irritates me.

[@FeralFelineFriend]

It's probably because she was taught it improperly. I remember in high school being told that they is used for multiple people and if we could not identify the person's gender we had to use he or she in essays, which got you flunked anyway because it made the sentence too wordy or some dumb garbage like that. Clearly, American education doesn't check the frickin' dictionary or even know what they are talking about.

[@Ajehy]

“There’s someone at the door.” “What do they want?” Boom. They as a singular.

[@incrediblefrown1288]

even setting aside that singular they occurs as far back as the works of shakespeare, technically there is no such thing as objectively correct english; there's no governing body presiding over the english language in the way something like german has the council for german orthography, there's no master document of english to refer to. even things like the oxford dictionary are *de*scriptive, not *pre*scriptive; they change to match the uses observed amongst speakers

[@KougajiCalling]

I use They/Them or Their name into I know for sure... It's not freaking hard...

[@EternalYorkieMom]

My priest starts every service by saying no matter who you are what you believe and whoever you love (he’s gay so he puts some emphasis on that) you’re welcome in our church. Which is why I love my church so much

[@xd._.28234]

so cute omg

[@Idk-de7nc]

Where is this church?

[@thornwalker8970]

"I don't believe in gender because it's a made-up argument that doesn't exist. However I believe in stereotypes and sex roles based on biological sex because these are obviously natural and not at all created by human psyche" She didn't rehearse her speech did she

[@nondescriptcat5620]

i don't think she *thinks,* she just says things and hopes they make some kind of sense.

[@thornwalker8970]

@@nondescriptcat5620 I'm pretty sure you're right actually

[@throstlewanion]

Fun fact: chromosomes are neither necessary nor sufficient at defining “biological sex”. For anyone who’s curious I’d recommend watching Forrest Valkai’s video “Sex and Sensibility”, he really goes in depth on the science behind chromosomes and how messy sexual biology is

[@luna_eclipse7953]

I just watched that video. It was amazing. Thank you sm for recommending it.

[@supremeplatypus7192]

YES thank you for recommending that video and that beautiful beautiful biologist, he deserves more attention

[@dabi-is-online23]

Exactly! Females can be born with an extra y in thier chromosome~ same with males, who can be born an extra x or y

[@throstlewanion]

@@dabi-is-online23 not only that! But people can be born with XX or XY chromosomes and end up with totally different genitalia, because the process by which our body determines wether it should grow a penis or a vagina is very complicated and errors in our DNA are not uncommon

[@mattj5391]

It's not transphobic to disagree with "transwomen are women". Not if you're using the definition of "woman" that appears in the dictionary. Transwomen are not female. Being female is a necessary component of being a woman. It's right there in the definition. Unless you think reading and understanding the dictionary is transphobic?

[@starwarsenby16]

Transphobes are fun to laugh at

[@MattPhonee]

They very much are... Especially when you have an entire library worth of info to back your points up...

[@iluvsharks9666]

I love that he points out when someone said the wrong “your or you’re” that’s what I do every time I love it

[@user-gd8io7qo2h]

You really shouldn't do that. It's ableist and classist.

[@MailMainbutnot]

@@user-gd8io7qo2h ????? i can't tell if this is trolling, sarcasm, ect. it's really hard to convey tone in text

[@kt3255]

Been a while since my genetics class, but the sex chromosome possibilities I remember: XX - phenotype female XY - phenotype male X0 - phenotype female, Turner’s Syndrome resulting Y0 - embryonic lethal XXX - phenotype female, can’t remember what this is called, but I believe there are medical issues as there is with all trisomies XXY - phenotype male, but again with consequences of an extra chromosome For those that don’t know, phenotype is basically what traits are seen, like the colour of your hair - thought that is determined somewhere along the other 22 chromosome pairs that code for a person. Meanwhile on the gender phenotype end of things, yes there is what we call male and female, but there is hermaphrodites (presence of male and female genitalia) and ambiguous genitalia. Bottom line: biology is a very complicated thing, it often goes off what we might consider script. And for all it has been almost 20 years, I am still upset at my profs for not showing up for what was supposed to be the lecture on monozygotic twins and homosexual flies, because fascinating. I feel I have gone off topic, but anyway, point was even the ‘simple’ gender markers, as Jamie pointed out, aren’t so simple, and then there all the other factors involved…

[@kt3255]

I have learned since leaving this comment that hermaphrodite is no longer an acceptable term and the proper term is now intersex. Apologies for any offence I may have accidentally caused.

[@ShuttleFlyVideos]

"Look into your pants. If you see a chicken, you're a boy. If you see a cat, you're a girl." Candace Flynn: I guess my gender is squirrel then.

[@justKorppi]

S.I.M.P. Now, I'll be singing that for weeks...

[@kobayashi1194]

The way that first woman seems like the person to make up scenarios in her head and get mad at them and then turn around and act like that’s how things actually happen. Then she acts like (some) Christians don’t do that exact thing if we don’t believe in sky daddy.

[@eropandasennin13]

Huh, religious fundementalists being hypocrites. Who knew?

[@yejiluvrr]

Sky daddy

[@alicebthegachaweirdo8378]

Sky daddy lol

[@jolly_39]

That behavior is super common among conservative Christians. They believe themselves to be constantly prosecuted and victimized (nobody except other conservative Christians prosecuted western conservative Christians in a very long time) and get offended when other people don't play along and put their self-perceived victimhood on a golden podestal. The entire belief systems of these kind of Christians centers around painting themselves as victimes that should be celebrated for "surviving" a prosecution they invented in their own head and guilt tripping people with this aggressive attitude to agree with them. When they ask for respect they demand special treatment.

[@kaylaa2204]

@@jolly_39 The word choice sounds alot like what they would say about trans people I'd say the problem is they talk like they're the default, and everyone has to respect their religion if you say "I don't believe in god" people lose their shit Heaven forbid if you believe in a different god Throw emotional manipulation on top of that by telling children they'll burn in hell for eternity for not doing that, and you essentially have the very issue they accuse trans people of having

[@notwerkinginthishouse8634]

Having babies doesnt make you a woman. A woman can be anything she wants. I dont want to have kids. Does that mean i am not a woman? So if someone cant have kids ,that means they are not a woman? Or that their parts dont work bc of mental health issues and genetics oe tragedy and trauma?? Does that mean man is not a man because he is handicapped?? And that woman should remind that she has rights thanks to trans/ women Also,using d3lusions to offend others as if some people dont suffer from body dysmorphia and psychotic disorder

[@xd._.28234]

my mom, who is fertile, straight and with enough money to raise a family, but refused to marry, have babies of her own and adopted instead : guess i'm a dad now

[@notwerkinginthishouse8634]

@@xd._.28234 Are you doing alright?

[@xd._.28234]

@@notwerkinginthishouse8634 ofc I'm excellent, she's an amazing mom💙💙💙 She considered adoption (me) despite having all the cards to not do it. Which makes her empathetic a lot with abandoned babies :D She wanted to adopt more kids,even 3, but she couldn't bc being single

[@finnisqueer]

2:40 - I've weirdly had this happen to me before at work. Co-Worker asked my name, I told them, they said: "Huh. Well, I don't really like that name, so I'm going to call you _____". I just.. I.. What??

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

1:36 I feel really bad for the hypothetical sibling in this scenario

[@karelfinn2343]

"Why was he avoiding the question in the beginning?" Because pretending not to understand why they're wrong is the foundation of their whole grift. If they don't understand the subject, then they can "just ask questions" and then claim that no one is able to answer those questions, because they're purposefully ignoring all of the people who do answer them. So when someone asks them to explain their position directly, they have to first pretend that the question doesn't make sense, or their position completely falls apart.

[@justsomerandomname2067]

I think he was pretending because he is Jordan peterson. I was waiting for him to say "depends on what you mean by a woman and what you mean by believe and what you mean by trans and what you mean by real"

[@gelatinouscube2342]

Was half-expecting him to do another bit about crustaceans

[@alexshemwell8320]

JP likes to start off pretending he's reasonable so that when he later spews his conservative rhetoric you feel you're being reasonable if you agree with him.

[@mattj5391]

It's not transphobic to disagree with "transwomen are women". Not if you're using the definition of "woman" that appears in the dictionary. Transwomen are not female. Being female is a necessary component of being a woman. It's right there in the definition. Unless you think reading and understanding the dictionary is transphobic?

[@gelatinouscube2342]

@@mattj5391 Sure Matt. Nice bait.

[@caseycronan9217]

It’s not that hard to be respectful and say, “Are they your sibling,” when told they go by they/them pronouns. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@former_emo_future_goth5071]

I feel so lucky to not have to deal with people like that, my mom is so accepting and my sister always seems one step ahead on accepting my differences. When I came our a a lesbian she said "I know" when I told her I was questioning my gender she said "I know" Anyways just felt like sharing a wholesome family story down here. Thank you for creating such a wholesome community!

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

I hate that some of these clips actually start with a mildly interesting take like "What is a woman to you?" Or "*explaining what gender is*" but then they go completely transphobic

[@mattj5391]

It's important to use the definitions from the dictionary. Like "male" and "female".

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

@@mattj5391 why?

[@mattj5391]

@@airplanes_aren.t_real because words have meanings.

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

@@mattj5391 ok but what does that have to do with my comment?

[@mattj5391]

@@airplanes_aren.t_real it’s important to define what a woman is. you seem to suggest that not accepting “transmen are men” is somehow transphobic when it is simply reading the dictionary meanings.

[@yourneighborhoodana4584]

Jamie has helped me figure myself out! I started watching him about the same time I realized I was bisexual, so thank you for helping me so much!!

[@lil7396]

The same thing happened to me!!! I started questioning my sexuality while watching one of his videos and he had helped me so much!

[@zigmenthotep]

"You need to love and accept our delusions, okay?" they said in the midst of their elaborate oppression fantasy.

[@koallawangja]

The whole “trans men/women aren’t real men/women” honestly makes me want to cry. I’ve been told that I will never be a real man because I enjoy dressing in feminine things, mainly hoodies and skirts but I’m also mostly seen in black hoodies or jeans and sweatpants. People have said I will never be a real man because of how open I am about my feelings. I was crying in front of my friends one time and a cis guy walked past and said “Y’know no one will ever think you’re a real boy if you keep being a cry baby.” People spent an entire semester calling me slurs after I was outed and I never once let myself cry in front of anyone because it had been so pounded into my head that I couldn’t if I wanted to pass. There were a lot of things that made me stop thinking before crying and I’m still not to the point where it can just happen, but I’m better for it. I’ve been feeling a lot happier cause I’m just being me and not caring who sees.

[@narcopsy]

Keep on being you. We love you💜

[@chaoscat1446]

yes sometimes bodies dont develop the way theyre supposed to. thats how genetic mutations come to be, the process isnt always perfect and things do go wrong. dont hate on someone just cuz their body didnt develop right :)

[@lemonace6695]

Another thing is that the idea of gender we have now days is not unique: a lot of ancient cultures, oriental cultures and certain indegenous cultures had a different idea of gender that included more than 2 indentities.

[@kazikek2674]

Curiously, a lot of these extra gender identities were very ideologically close to 'binary trans man' and 'binary trans woman', and a fair bit of stuff to cover intersex, androgynous, nonbinary, or similar-concept individuals as either 'gender 5' or 'genders 5&6'. So basically, 4-6 culturally approved gender identities is not uncommon at all.

[@John_Weiss]

@@kazikek2674 In North America, the nature of the 3rd-gender varied from culture to culture, from nation to nation. In some cultures, they were always amab and were required to wear "women's clothes." In others, they were required to _always_ wear at least one article of "men's clothes" _and_ one article of "women's clothes". In some culture, they were expected to _only_ marry men. In others, they could marry both men and women. [However, universally, 3rd-gender people _could never_ marry each other.] And those are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head. (I read about this stuff back in the 1990s.)

[@kazikek2674]

@@John_Weiss I find it interesting that 'non-specifically masculine or feminine' people often had some religious role, like Two-Spirited in Native American concepts or Bissu in Bugis society.

[@John_Weiss]

@Kazik Ek "Two-Spirit", BTW, is a term invented in the 1990s by LGBT Native Americans to reclaim those older roles. However, in the 3 decades since then, the younger generations are going back to their own Nation's words for their Nation's particular form of 3rd-gender. The term, "Two-Spirit," they say, is generic, invented, and therefore not very appropriate, they feel. OTOH, the term, "Two-Spirit," has become a term used in academia. Prior to the 1990s, academic research into North-American 3rd- and 4th-genders … when it was done _at all_ … used a term that was basically a 17th-Centuy version of the f-slur. There's a book that I have, "The Spirit and the Flesh," from around 1990(ish) that makes an effort to say, "We're using this insulting word because (a) it's what the kinda-homophobic earlier research uses; and (b) there's no alternative term. So we're stuck with it, even though we _really don't_ like it." If that same book were rewritten in a new edition today, I would totally expect "two-spirit" to be used instead. Wow. This response got long. 😄

[@nannywhumpers5702]

I was so proud of myself the other day. A nonbinary person came on a late night show and my husband was all not into it. He was making fun of them, and I corrected him. I explained what I knew and I used the proper pronouns, and when I messed up, I corrected myself. When I was done, he was a little more curious and a little less judgmental. Thanks Jamie (and OT and TheClick..) for all the education!

[@samlewis6487]

I've seen that third one before and he phrases so much like "I'm not transphobic but I don't think trans people exist"

[@ConstanzaRigazio]

7:40 I don't understand why it's so hard for people to understand that 'gender' can be both real AND a social construct. 'Time' and 'money' are social constructs and they are still very real and affect our everyday lives.

[@thelonelyblueberry2896]

MY MOM JUST HANDED ME A PACKAGE WITHOUT A WORD WHILE I WAS WATCHING THIS VIDEO AND IT HAD A BINDER INSIDE I DIDNT EVEN KNOW SHED ORDERED ONE JDDKSKKDDKSKDKDKSK

[@ryan_765]

thats so cool! :D your mom sounds epic

[@Menacingly_Standing_There]

Shout out to this person's mom for being absolutely amazing I wish you both a fantastic day

[@salvador8923]

based mom

[@slimetank394]

Amazing mom you got there!

[@somethingsomething1571]

Thank goodness I'm not male or female, they must be so uncomfortable with the cats and chickens stuck in their pants.

[@TheRaineWitch-old-channel]

LMAOOO

[@sandwingsauce6085]

11:12 one of my friends made this stupid argument. He said that he saw a trans boy in the bathroom and told him off. He said gender is what's in your pants as well. Yeah he's not my friend anymore.

[@xRailPvP]

its true tho

[@whoahanant]

"I'm a stickler for proper English" Sorry to burst your bubble but English is a broken language anyways lol. All the "rules" have been broken a million times over and a multitude of words don't even originate from English. A lot of words are derived from other languages or follow other languages rules. English is a beautiful mess so anyone can do whatever they want with it. Besides they/them are singular and plural according to the "rules" anyways. Even written in old documents. An edit for some extra facts: I believe about 80% of English is derived from other languages. :]

[@adrianblake8876]

Actually, 100% of English is derived from other languages, because the English language itself is derived from another language (old German, I think)

[@onlookerofthings6029]

English speakers have been using singular they/them for centuries. Shakespeare used singular theys. Plus languages are made up and designed to communicate. New words and phrases are made to get a point across that couldn't be made before. Words have new meanings, like cool used to just mean cold.

[@dwagon6706]

English is the unwanted child from mister I have 16 articles (German) and mister I don’t know how to comprehensively use letters (French)

[@dwagon6706]

@Fucking grass thanks Kind stranger

[@lorifiedler13]

I've heard English waylayings other languages and picks their pockets.

[@friend_trilobot]

I appreciate your videos - I've seen a lot of people react to transphobia and they basically call the people bigots and assert maxims that are true, but you do a better job explaining why they are wrong while still reacting with legitimate disgust and confusion

[@CreativeRed4]

The lady saying "gender has to be the DNA building one body and then making a mistake and a different brain" makes me facepalm so hard because aside from being trans... DNA making an oopsie when I was created is EXACTLY why I have ehlers danlos. It made everything correct except the collagen, and to this day it continues to make wrong collagen. DNA does oopsies all the fucking time ROFL

[@HouseCatTV]

Yeah, I my DNA was working just fine until it got to the SRY gene on my Y chromosome. Something minuscule went wrong in there and instead of a dick I got a vagina and instead of testicles I got nothing 🤷🤷 So it's literally the physiological equivalent to what she described about gender identity

[@HouseCatTV]

She's amazingly thick

[@Maerahn]

1:00 - I refuse to believe any conversation like this has EVER occurred in real life. This is a product of her own 'Screw You' fanfiction, i.e. it's badly written and embarrassingly over-acted. I mean, seriously - "When was the last time we took you to court for not serving Jesus?" Well... when was the last time you walked into Starbucks with Jesus and the barista refused to serve him? Answer: NEVER, so your argument is ridiculous, isn't it? Now go back to school and get yourself a proper education.

[@duckk4515]

reminder that transphobic people will apologise for misgendering a pet but dont apologise and CONTINUE to misgender trans/nb people

[@doramatejcic5353]

This is so funny and frustrating in the same time

[@toptomato]

Frustratingly funny?

[@milkncookiesmoon]

*at

[@the-entity]

@Chiefdrago17 they're like: "im nonbinary so im a bottle" and you're just laughing because it's just so fucking stupid, then you see like 40.000 people think thats deep or some shit😭💀

[@toptomato]

@Chiefdrago17 frrr

[@mattj5391]

It's not transphobic to disagree with "transwomen are women". Not if you're using the definition of "woman" that appears in the dictionary. Transwomen are not female. Being female is a necessary component of being a woman. It's right there in the definition. Unless you think reading and understanding the dictionary is transphobic?

[@hurricane7800]

“They/them isn’t proper English” …. 🙄 Heres the rebuttal I use that a CHILD could understand: I remember back in preschool they would pick a new kid each day to be line-leader, and the teacher would describe the person and you had to sit down if you didn’t meet the description. Eg, “this person is wearing a red shirt. THEY are wearing shoes with laces. THEY wear glasses.” And so on. And guess what, only one person was line-leader, **because it’s grammatically correct to use they/them as the pronouns to refer a SINGLE person without specifying gender** 🙃

[@isilee2055]

I have the webster dictionary definition of 'they' copied in my clipboard so I can use it against mean people. Lol

[@hurricane7800]

@@isilee2055 Ah, that's clever! It's also in the OED and the Cambridge Dictionary in case they try "WhAt AbOuT 'oRiGiNaL' eNgLiSh"...

[@isilee2055]

@@hurricane7800 Exactly!!! I came up with the idea of using it since my bio. father loves his 1980-something webster dictionary -THAT IS- -LITTERALLY MORE THAN 22YEARS OLD NOW- whenever he wants to act like a lil bish. So I thought people who don't like using they/them in a singular use would be the same 🙂

[@no_where_land9947]

Even if you are transphobic… using they/ them pronouns is still using proper grammar? Like “they went to the store”. That’s a proper sentence. transphobs really just show us all they never payed attention in school

[@ElfsArt24]

How I've explained this to my brother who genuinely doesn't get being trans because its not something he's expirenced. "You are disabled imagine if they amputated your legs when they stopped working and you said you wanted prosthetics and someone said you can't have legs you were born without legs so your arnt allowed to be a leg person. Wouldn't that make you upset?" And he got it he's got the mind set of a 15 year old in a 21 year old's body he gets confused easily and he still understood it

[@Specters0rd]

Reminder to those who bind to take it off when it's the right time so you don't hurt yourself! Idk about tucking, but if there's the need to take a break then please do so accordingly! Also eat and hydrate please!

[@clairemetcalf-kh6bk]

“We don’t force our religion on you” Me, an atheist living in a conservative Christian household: Then what’s the point of missionaries then?

[@deserthare1]

I love how the strawman argument for homophobic/transphobic people is, "Well they were rude to me first." like no joke i was visiting my parents recently and my mom was like, "I suffered hate speech for being straight. Your father was working at the museum, and i was sitting on a bench waiting for him. Well this gay man sashayed up to me, and without me saying anything said, "You're a homophobe." and left."