TEN Transport Evolved News Episode 502 - The Hague BANS Advertising Fossil Fuel!

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

Last time I checked, gasoline sales in Norway were down to numbers we haven't seen since before we discovered oil in the North Sea in the 1960s... Diesel will take a while since it is used in so many heavy and long-lasting machines as well as being quite popular in ICE cars about a decade ago, but we are breathing significantly cleaner air!

[@Vikingj72]

Thank you Norway. It shows it CAN be done.

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

It is easy. Tax the ICE vehicles a lot, EVs not so much. Sticker price parity happens, and people look at pump prices and go "I think not". Of course having cold winters help. Not going back to freezing my proverbial off in a piston engined car.

[@johnpublicprofile6261]

BRAVO TEN! The only KZbin channel so far that has highlighted that when looking at the GeoTab degradation report that most of the degradation is at the start of life. Nearly everyone else repeated someone's misrepresentation of multiplying 1st year degradation to say that after 20years the battery will likely only have 64%.capacity left.

[@trevorberridge6079]

I have the much maligned 24kwh Nissan Leaf with no thermal management, a small battery pack and 12 year-old battery technology. I've noticed long since that not only does the battery degradation slow down, but that if you change how you charge your battery it can actually be reversed over the first few years. My SOH went up from 79% to 94% when I did it seven years ago. My battery has only just gone back down to 75% SOH and that still fluctuates depending on how I treat my battery in terms of both charging and discharging. So, the idea that modern batteries with thermal management, improved chemistry and better BMS will deteriorate in less than 10 years is patently ridiculous. If your EV battery doesn't last at least 15 years at over 70% SOH even under quite heavy use then it was either faulty from the start or you have some very unhealthy charging habits.

[@alsavage1]

@@trevorberridge6079 Unless you're unlucky enough to drive an early Tesla Model S/X, where no provision for maintaining low humidity in the HV battery case, plus a lot of endemic water leaks via various means for many years of production, has led to a whole lot of failed and failing batteries on these models, despite the actual cells holding up fine for most. It's expensive for those folks. I drive a vehicle that has a Tesla battery of the same vintage/technology, but whose manufacturer (Toyota) spec'd an active dehumidifying system to ensure that any stray moisture in the pack (say, from thermal cycling) is removed routinely. Sadly, the tiny medical device air pump that Tesla used to satisfy Toyota's spec has a rated life of under 3000 hours under ideal conditions, which doesn't include automotive use; the air pump on mine has failed, I had to remove the 900 lb pack from the car to service said pump, and it is neither widely available as a replacement part nor inexpensive: despite being made by a Japanese firm, I have two on order from separate Chinese suppliers for weeks, at around $400 ea . . . for a 3" long air pump. DDG for "Okenseiko P54E01R" for more info in my forum post on the topic.

[@denischarette3468]

The Deux Chevaux is made by Citroen, not by Renault

[@transportevolved]

You got me- it’s been a week - Nikki

[@robertkirchner7981]

Just to be pedantic... WAS made!

[@Hyfly13]

​@@transportevolved and Late Brake Show has an ep on EV kits for 2CV!

[@trevorberridge6079]

@@transportevolved Citroen and Peugot are both part of Stellantis. In 2019 Fiat-Chrysler who are part of Stellantis tried to make a deal with Renault which would make them part of Fiat-Chrysler and therefore part of the multinational. That fell through and Renault moved towards Nissan as a partner. Who owns who can make things a bit confusing. Easy mistake when you're very busy Nikki.

[@LogistiQbunnik]

@@transportevolved Renault did have an excellent Renault 4 that in it's "transporter" configuration was just as popular as the 2CV as a "van" though!

[@wingsounds13]

As usual, a good update for the week in the EV space.

[@eamonstack4139]

Nikki, Great news EV video, just upgraded my 2012 Leaf with 70kWh Leaf with Polestar2 modules battery. 450km range easy! Eamon 🇮🇪

[@metricstormtrooper]

If they can ban pop up headlights for pedestrian safety, they can ban huge trucks that are FAR WORSE.

[@im4udevco]

If a lot of drivers put the darn phone down and pay attention on the road, vehicle road fatalities would be lower.

[@kojibu]

So happy Vinfast hit the Philippines! It's making waves as one of the first mainstream EVs coming in at Php 650,000 (12k USD). Compact EVs have huge potential to reduce pollution and lower daily costs on gas especially in Metro Manila traffic - our city population balloons to 15 million on weekdays.

[@davidlazarus67]

Banning advertising for oil companies would also save the government money as advertising would be tax deductible. So tax payers are subsidising oil adverts. It should happen everywhere.

[@trevorberridge6079]

It has been calculated that if you added up all the money spent on subsidising the EV and Renewable Energy industries world wide, even if you use the most exaggerated figures provided by the naysayers, it would total around $46 Billion. Oil, gas and coal between them are subsidised to the tune of $7 Trillion. That's 152 times as much in subsidies. Kickback politics has protected the insane amounts of money the fossil industry have received over the last century or so. The only reason the oil industry makes its massive profits is because the subsidies absorb their losses. So subsidies not only pay for their adverts they are floating the entire industry.

[@stevewausa]

Always happy to have another TEN on my to-watch list.

[@davidbuchan3753]

Thanks for your always professional updates. Never miss!

[@Russwig]

84... Another fine update! Those Dutch are always on the cutting edge of good things! And New Jersey... who'd have thought? Go Norway! Keep Evolving!!!

[@williamquemuel7824]

Something worth noting about Jim Farley of Ford, is that he states that the Ford has to build to the higher Chinese standards. Ford has lost the initiative in that regards. How times have changed.

[@Kevin_M_Hall]

Puzzled by your comment about releasing Blue cruise 1.3. I got my update to 1.3 for my 2022 MachE a few months ago.

[@aliyada]

The Chevy Bolt platform getting access to the Supercharger network is great! ..... I'll probably buy a used EUV whenever my old ICE car dies. (it's like 150k miles and almost 20 years old)

[@scottmcshannon6821]

why the bolt? its level 2 and level 3 charging are both below 50, what is the point of supercharging one?

[@aliyada]

Because it's cheap! The vast majority of my driving is done in town, and there is excellent supercharger coverage for the handful of times a year I travel. I'm happy to bring a good book or get some steps in while waiting for a charge. My usual road trip lunch stop has a supercharger across the street!

[@ferkeap]

Sell off the car and use it's worth?

[@Derpy1969]

More stations to charge slowly at.

[@alsavage1]

The early Bolts are a great deal, financially, right now if you want longer range and can live with a subcompact. I just got my friend into a '19 last month, and he's still texting me how much he loves it over his ICE, the sale of which financed 1/4 of the Bolt. If you get a '17-19, it WILL have a replacement battery; his still has a battery warranty until 2030. Do your research, though: not all early Bolts shipped with CCS/DCFC, it was an option for several years. The upper trim levels offer some benefits you might want. There is no free Nav. Stupid stuff like that. As noted by others, it DCFCs slowly, only 50kw max and that only for a fraction of the charge cycle, but unless you can't charge at home, DCFC is not used all the much by most of us. The onboard charger (for home/public slow AC charging) is 6.6kw, which was standard for most EVs for a decade, even better than some.

[@unclegeorge7845]

Fiat might consider lowering the price. I liked and choose the 500e just because it didn't have Tony's engine and transmission. I was surprised to hear they were stepping back towards repair Hell. PS: Another excellent show. Thanks for moving it along.

[@representin614]

Ted Cruz is in a tight race with Colin Allred. The most recent poll on 538 shows Allred with a 1 point lead. Just sayin'

[@Dularr]

We will have to see if the polls are wrong again. Let's see if Cruz wins by 6 points again.

[@representin614]

@@Dularr It's a close enough race it may be worth throwing a $5 donation to Allred if you're tired of Cruz. I don't live in Texas and am not pretending to have my finger on the pulse of that race. Just letting people know that he is up for reelection this year.

[@Dularr]

@@representin614 I'm just commenting about the Texas polls. If the polls contine to claim the candidates are tied. Cruz will win by 6 points.

[@winfriedtheis5767]

Good update! I just have to correct something here: the 2CV is a Citroën not a Renault. But I would agree there are other Renault models that should be revived, like the Avantime. So looking forward to finally see the Renault 5 etech out on the roads in Europe!

[@allencrider]

FIAT closes down factory which builds a car they designed to only have 150 miles of range. Will wonders never cease?

[@markiliff]

7:27 Renault 2CV? Missed that one…

[@toyotaprius79]

Wake up babe, another new TEN just dropped!

[@AerialWaviator]

It was not a quiet week of EV news. This such an excellent summary.

[@FameyFamous]

Am I the only Bolt driver who isn’t planning to buy a NACS adapter? I usually stay close enough to home. For a few road trips per year, Electrify America has been good enough for me.

[@Rich1Rodriguez]

I have 130,000 miles on my Chevrolet Bolt EV. I don’t think I’ll ever buy a Tesla adapter.

[@rp9674]

23 Bolt EV, over a year, haven't DC fast charged yet. I'd prefer not to support musk. NEVI & IONNA on the way, maybe I'll never need tesla's, if I do I'll look in to other brand adapter.

[@metricstormtrooper]

Plus you don't have to have anything to do with that Musk moron.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

The only reason I have a NACS adapter for my Mach-E is that Ford sent me one free, and it might help with resale value when we eventually replace it. I have zero plans of using the adapter ever.

[@rp9674]

​@@AnonymousFreakYT agree. Very nice of Ford. I didn't expect a freebie from GM..

[@williamquemuel7824]

The US gov’t are not interested in reducing carbon emissions. If the US did care about the climate, there wouldn’t be any tariffs on Chinese EVs. It comes down to US jobs and keeping Ford and GM relevant in the world. US gov’t is prodding Ford and GM, but mainstream consumer demand isn’t there yet with only 1.3% of registered light duty vehicles being EVs. That means over 97% of registered vehicles are ICE vehicles in USA.

[@alsavage1]

Well, the government is us, and we want/need jobs. I can see good and bad points of tariffs, and I can't honestly say that they aren't a reasonable stop-gap until the domestic workforce can find other gainful employment. We've seen the massive disruption of declining/shipped abroad industries can do to entire regions. I don't "like" tariffs, but I see the need. At the end of the day, though, tariffs are a tax on us, not a revenue stream to be allocated for childcare, lol.

[@williamquemuel7824]

@@alsavage1 I blame the US auto industry run by business types. That can’t see the need to reinvest into their company to combat the threat to China. Sometimes you have to make sacrifices in order to make gains. These business types are depending on the gov’t to bail them out as US auto industry is too big to fail.

[@TassieEV]

Update about the Bolt charging only a CERTAIN number of Bolt EV's are affected and as Tom Moloughney has stated on his channel from info from GM test your car and if there is a problem then take it to the dealer to update it. Blue Cruise 1.3 is already out, Pat & Liv from Mach-e VLOG have had it for some time already so not sure what you mean and a Karaoke app is fine seems to becoming more and more common even BYD have pushed it out to their cars here in Australia.

[@Pottery4Life]

IMO Norway's green efforts with EV's will always have a wee bit of an asterisk to go along with those numbers as long as they are the 4th or 5th largest Natural gas exporter in the world. I mean YAY for EVs !! I think their uptake and adoption is grand and of course in one of the world's toughest proving grounds, but we all know how they got there...

[@media4massesundervisning314]

Great that you know about the link between A-ha and the early EV-cars in Norway..❤

[@transportevolved]

I mean, I have been driving EVs for 18 years… - Nikki ;)

[@leax_Flame]

“Ignore no turn on red so that they drive more like people”… But I follow that sign! *cue existential crisis*

[@JohnZolla-bp7tl]

I've joined the EV family. I got a Hyundai Ioniq 5. Very happy.

[@roland9367]

I'm in Europe, so our "Bolt" is actually a different brand and has CCS. Ironically, Tesla chargers are open to other cars here and with CCS, but it often fails with the Bolts. While working fine with other EVs

[@alsavage1]

The US Bolts (almost all) have CCS1; it was optional for the first several years. But Tesla's SCs are all NACS, hence the need for a physical adapter. SCs here are not open for all comers, as in the EU; each mfgr. has to make a deal with Tesla to allow their brand to use a SC, so niche vehicles don't/won't have access.

[@roland9367]

Hi, yes I forgot to add, the European Bolt called Opel Ampera-E has CCS2, the European CCS version as standard. So to the European Tesla Superchargers and they are open to any other EV that uses CCS2. No arrangement needed. But our car fails half the time at the supercharger. Yet in North America it is actively getting supported.

[@joelsmith4394]

I have always liked the look of Lotus vehicles. This one too. However ridiculous in other respects.

[@jcfallows]

Nice programme Nikki, I still like the back drop for ten, to match I think you would look fab in a star trek like suit, something from the future, I think you deserve an upgrade. You have a great sense of humour and have used furry animal suits before.

[@karlInSanDiego]

I had a different reaction the Lotus Theory One. Nice to see Them build a small(ish) sports car with minimalism. Top Gear's video on it is worth checking out. It's only a concept, but at least it hints that Geely hasn't completely lost the plot on why Lotus every existed for decades.

[@tnickknight]

Its not a real choice in Norway, the cost of fees for ICE vehicles is severe.

[@rp9674]

I didn't believe Ted Cruz's I'm-not-an-arsehole media tour. Attention seeker

[@ob1tx]

Love TEN... Ted Cruz needs to leave DC and permanently move to Cancun.

[@robingoergner725]

Agreed, Colin Allred For U.S. Senate. Vote Blue for environmental justice!

[@wooddavid8293]

Thanks!

[@rp9674]

Nice!

[@wekebu]

I'm voting against Ted Cruz. We have to get rid of these people in Texas.

[@BrandEver117]

I will NOT be buying an adapter from GM, screw them. Nickel and dime-ing some of their most loyal customers while every other automaker gives them out free. If I get one, it'll probably be a Ford adapter. If I'm paying full price anyway I'd rather reward the corporation that did the right thing (and since it's an OEM adapter still it shouldn't violate warranty)

[@trevorberridge6079]

Instead of crippling the competition from China with tariffs western car companies should have been quicker to meet the actual demands of customers. Smaller, more affordable, every day cars. If you try to King Canut it and stop the tide of superior Chinese and Korean cars with a wave of your tariffs then you're only going to waste time trying to hold back the flood when you could have been making your own tidal wave. It's like trying to win a 100m Sprint by breaking your opponents legs instead of training. The legs will heal and the opponent will still be better than you because they put the work in.

[@BrandEver117]

I'm glad the USPS EVs are working out, I just wish they weren't soooo ugly lol. It's what's on the inside that counts I guess lol

[@Rich1Rodriguez]

Another fabulous show thank you.

[@teklife]

holy shit i LOVE the Kia PV van concepts! camper please!! CAMPER!!!!!

[@Pottery4Life]

Thank you!

[@shanefiddle]

What a great news show!

[@markotrieste]

12:02 in wheel motors, no please not again... 😂

[@karlInSanDiego]

Talk about burying the lede on the Norway story. I'd heard that a half dozen times this week and none of those mentioned that this is a 3 way split between diesel, gas, and EV. Boo on hopium reporting. We've heard year after year, poor reporting that Norway is 75% EV and then 90+% EV, but those were just new car sales stats, not cars operating in the country. Thanks for reporting clearly and no shade on Norway, except to point out that they haven't addressed car dependency. City planners realize that was a serious mistake, and nationally, they have set the mold for everyone believing that EVs are a permanent solution (which they are not). We need to learn the lesson of EV dominance being a false transitional goal from Norway, and not try to copy the behavior of a very rich country with very cheap renewable energy.

[@Loanshark753]

Of course, planning of new districts can be done right from the start, but to serve old rural districts cars are necessary of course that can be seen as a mistake that things are like that, however I think EVs are the second best solution to the problem and those cities that have proper transit and are walkable should improve upon it. Thus I advocate for a two pronged strategy not a one size fits all districts one.

[@davidsworld5837]

how many episode have 1 or more mentions of the word Tesla in them. hehe

[@alsavage1]

"Techie Trans . . . " [chortle]!

[@Carl_in_AZ]

🔌🔌Some southwestern DC warehouses are testing 4 to 5 EV driverless yard dogs at their facilities. I just saw four in Buckeye. 🔌🔌

[@karlInSanDiego]

HOLY CRAP. Lotus won't sell any of those Eletras at that price. Well, except to pro athletes.

[@proudvirginian]

As an ID4 owner, I'm pretty sure they'll never be given access to Tesla superchargers. That said, if at all possible I will never give the money to anything that lines Elon's pockets. Eff that sorry excuse of a human

[@rp9674]

Yes - NEVI & IONNA coming eventually

[@darwinskeeper421]

I too would enjoy an all electric, restomod 2CV in the market, but we'll need to contact Citroen, not Renault. That said, an EV restomod Renault 4 wouldn't be a bad compromise.

[@WonkoTheSaneUK]

There is a company near Nice that makes & restores 2CVEVs. There's a couple of "Late Brake Show" episodes about them here on youtube.

[@Hyfly13]

HFC EV with a 700 mile range? You'll be 700 miles from a fuel pump by then! 😅

[@alsavage1]

That's 700 *km* , not miles.

[@chriswoodx]

Maybe Renault could do an EV 4

[@rklauco]

Your ad on Atmos every week drives me crazy - they still did not expwnd to Europe :(

[@alsavage1]

And TEN graciously provides chapter segmentation in YT's timeline bar, so it's easy to skip the in-video ads :) I have watched the ad a couple of times, and never since.

[@williamquemuel7824]

According to Reuters (Sept 19), sales of fully electric cars in the EU slumped 43.9% in August, as the bloc's biggest EV markets Germany and France recorded drops of 68.8% and 33.1% respectively, ACEA said.

[@ابراهيم_محمد_الازهر]

41%

[@ferkeap]

Oh VW.

[@wooddavid8293]

Maybe Ford (and other legacy manufacturers) should spend less time whining and more time competing. It's not like they didn't have more than a decade to get their behinds in gear. Sandy Munro has been warning them for years. They deserve to reap the rewards of their own business acumen instead of forcing their customers to buy overpriced, outdated cars via tariff protections.

[@thewavehunter]

You’re wasting your time covering Vinfast - it’s the next Fisker.

[@transportevolved]

Our job is to cover the industry…

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

While VinFast may not have a huge future in North America, they aren't going away any time soon - they are part of a much larger company, and have been shipping many different models for many years. They're one of Vietnam's biggest companies, and the only Vietnam-local automaker, who would likely get a huge bailout from the government to keep alive if it looked like they were going to fail.

[@curtismmichaels]

Is there news about Ford's DEI changes?

[@transportevolved]

We are aware of it and have commented at everything electric to many folks there

[@patreekotime4578]

So a decade late, a US automaker finally sees Chinese-made EVs as an existential threat... but most automakers are dramatically scaling back thier plans for producing EVs in the wake of tariffs that won't actually stop the Chinese. It is honestly appalling to watch. I cant wait to hear the excuses and blame and finger pointing when these companies find themselves in serious trouble and start massive layoffs. They have only themselves to blame and the public needs to realize that. Also, I hope that the families of people injured or killed by exploding e-bike batteries... and gas stoves... will sue Ted Cruz personally.

[@diydrivenGA]

What we'll probably see is more nefarious: they'll try to get taxpayer funded bailouts and most will succeed.

[@patreekotime4578]

@@diydrivenGA Yeah. Meanwhile, direct government grants funding next gen battery and fast charging research would get the tax payer far more bang for the buck. If the argument is that the Chinese backing thier industries is "unfair" then we should just play unfair to be competitive. Nobody cries foul when NASA tech ends up in thier cell phones.

[@diydrivenGA]

@@patreekotime4578 exactly taxpayer funding research projects is a much better use of funds than corporate bailouts especially these days when corporate health is so tied to the markets and corporate executive payouts are tied to the markets as well

[@RedRouge-j4j]

Fossil Fuel Ban? Er........ is this another no-smoking rule?

[@alsavage1]

Fossil fuel *advertising* ban . . . you can still buy the stuff.

[@RedRouge-j4j]

@@alsavage1 brevity is the soul of wit. In joke land, logic follows its own path. And some fell on stony ground..............

[@patreekotime4578]

Hmm... that Lotus comment... Elon Musk cited the Lotus Esprite from The Spy Who Loved Me as a direct inspiration to the Cybtertruck. So a pointy Lotus design is just Lotus looking at Lotus!

The presenter is missing the point on EV battery packs, granted the loss of storage capacity year on year is quite low the fact that many are not repairable to the cell or module level is the real issue. Throwing out the entire non recyclable battery system due to a single failed cell is not acceptable, eco friendly or cost effective. All battery systems should be easily repairable and recyclable. This fact should be boldly written into the specifications so consumers know what they are buying and know what to expect if there is a failure.

[@geirvinje2556]

Norway are the number one democracy 7 years in a row. They are rich, yes. Something they have worked on for decades. That Norway goes for EV's, is because it's cheaper, better, faster, and safer. A fossil car are subsidized $US 31.250 through oil. (Oil subsidies $9T, 1/4 of all oil are used as fuel for cars, 72M car are produced). (International Monetary Fund Numbers). On top of this a corrupt cartel with mostly dictatorships are controlling the price of oil (OPEC).

[@canis9178]

The Kia PV5 and PV7 both look very exciting. I hope they make it to the US soon!

[@wiltaylor]

Awesome as always!

[@williamquemuel7824]

Sept 19 (Reuters) - New car sales in the European Union fell 18.3% in August to their lowest in three years, dragged down by double-digit losses in major markets Germany, France and Italy and sliding electric vehicle (EV) sales, auto industry body data showed on Thursday. The data showed the fourth consecutive monthly drop in EV sales, prompting the European Automobile Manufacturers' Association (ACEA) to demand "urgent action" to prevent further decline. It said the industry needed "EU institutions to come forward with urgent relief measures before new CO2 targets for cars and vans come into effect in 2025". Sales of fully electric cars slumped 43.9% in August, as the bloc's biggest EV markets Germany and France recorded drops of 68.8% and 33.1% respectively, ACEA said. Registrations of plug-in electric cars meanwhile fell 22.3% in the 27-member bloc.

[@johnlodge8546]

Is it just me, or does Jim Farlay look more and more like Tommy Boy everyday. Nice Haircut Jim.

[@Roddy451]

Algorithm

[@dcvariousvids8082]

Ah, another excuse to fit an EcoBoost engine into a vehicle. Akin to having turned both keys and asking, “What’s the worst that can happen, if I press the button?”

[@williamquemuel7824]

Autoline Network has an exclusive (Sept 21) on how the US is going to block Chinese EVs. Watch the episode.

[@rp9674]

Ford / SCE collab is unfair, I've been an EV driver and SCE victim / customer for 6 years, never charge at 4p-9p peak time because it's more expensive and they requested that we don't, am I supposed to have to replace my functional charger with a Ford charger to get the rebate?

[@alsavage1]

My local electric utility offered me a pretty good sign-up bonus and discounted the purchase of a new EVSE (they offered four choices) to sign up to allow them to optionally (with my permission) interrupt EV charging during peak events, and it is a pretty good deal . . . except for the choices of EVSEs, none of which have info displays like my 2017 OpenEVSE does; all REQUIRE apps to configure/use/monitor, and I enjoy plugging in and then _glancing_ at the EVSE to see what's up, what the charge rate is, without fumbling with my phone, find an app, log in, 2FA, BS. I even emailed one of the EVSE manufacturers, asking a feature question that was ambiguous on their website . . . nothing, they don't care if I get an answer, I'm not their customer. I complained via their feedback email, nothing. Then they kept sending me promo emails, and I kept shoving them back via their feedback email, telling them to stop sending me email if they won't read/anser mine. Until someone actually responded . . . by offering to "help" sign up. As if that would make one of their four offerings suddenly have a two-line LED display, like my current EVSE. They want me to participate? Get real customer service.

[@williamquemuel7824]

Contrary to TEN episode 501, new EV registrations fell 22.3% in the EU according to Reuters. There seems to be a disconnect between TEN Ep 501 and Reuters. Which one is more credible? I think Reuters as it is major news organization and TEN is not. Note that Norway is not even part of the EU, though Norway is part of the Schengen area. I think TE should fact check their source. Why would the statistics of the EU include Norway?

[@Derpy1969]

4:55 Fisker is making people pay for the LABOR for warranty repairs when it’s a parts swap. The part is free. The labor is not. Don’t get Fiskered.

[@kasmstamps1897]

1:31 Nice car? Yep. I got the Dynamic Seal. It does look good to me.

[@ImpactWench]

1:51 please make this sentence make sense...

[@alsavage1]

El . . . _Passo_ ? [chuckle] I like it.