Attempting To Solve Transformers 4's Kill Card Mystery

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In this video we will be talking all about, the Cemetary Wind kill cards. In Transformers Age of Extinction, we saw the founder of Cemetary Wind, Harold Attinger, toss playing cards on a table. Now these cards were not your ordinary cards, but cards that had the faces of various Autobots and Deceptions on them. In this video I will use these cards to help solve what happened to so many of our favorite childhood heroes and villains!
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[@Theorymus]

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[@ashtonkamien8542]

Hey Throrymus thank you very much. Video about the cards of Transformers also I want to tell you I got from the war Iraq cards about the leader and is other leader also I want to tell you I got that at my work last year just want to let you know unfortunately don't have the Transformer card we are just want to tell you that they fun facts what I got he was really cool I hope you have a good day my good friend Tijuana good work with your Transformers videos

[@thedreadknight]

i have some pictures from google of the cards like dino loader(robot mode) and some other such as arcee and mabey sideswipe

[@moonwhooper]

skids and mudflap have dotm figures so technically we have robot modes for them

[@GrimGamer671]

I just found a sick detail in the bumblebee movie when prime is fighting with all the seakers around him at the start of the movie you can see shatter and dropkick running at him from behind for half a second. i had to rewatch that part because i thougt my eyes were playing tricks on me.

[@LeoWears-yr4ju]

One of the face down cards is barricade

[@ilikepigeons6101]

I like how canonically all the transformers took the time to have their pictures taken of them so that the cards can eventually be made

[@zkproductions4351]

Lol

[@billiejeanslover8929]

Maybe they did some kind of mugshot that was required to join nest

[@SilvaF0X]

So much for being in disguise 😂

[@imnotgoodatnames318]

Lord megaton get my good side

[@tekkadawn6685]

That's why bayverse is da best

[@shariqhasan6220]

I like how tf4 implies that the US government was not aware that the CIA was also targeting the Autobots. That's why Attinger was going after Cade because if he testified to the Government then their secret would be exposed.

[@penguinsrockrgr8yt216]

That is the least unbelievable thing in the movie CIA has done so much stuff without permission it’s not even funny

[@KoltVEVO]

@@penguinsrockrgr8yt216 don’t think he was saying it was unbelievable lol

[@SilviaLikesCherries]

Wow, this is actually realistic.

[@andrewn.caldwell6218]

The U.S President also has to ask permission of the CIA to carry out Wet work operations, as well as to ask their permission to know of what they are up to.

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

how can you hide a bunch of military dudes shooting the hell out of a gigantic robot? While Ratchet was atleast in some abandoned dock or a ferry, Leadfoot was straight up executed on a random road

[@je2409]

always gotta appreciate that despite not getting an answer back to confirm who’s on those cards, Theorymus always ends up leaving us with SOME sort of satisfying conclusion or solution 😂😂 👏

[@Theorymus]

Anytime 👍

[@jjohnson2445]

@@Theorymus yet cemetery wind killed Sam witwicky

[@Uchiha_Itachi43]

@@jjohnson2445 Now thats a good theory right there

[@babysinclairfan]

I think the original plan was to have 52-54 unique cards and the doubling up of characters was a way to save time and effort. We definitely have enough robots to fill such a roster.

[@justinarzola4584]

It probably would have included all cards of the transformers in the bay universe that were never seen in the movies themselves

[@Ryth_Ractonite]

These kill cards were really giving a itch in my head for 9 years. I thank you for making this video because I really wanted to know what happened all the remaining Autobots and Decepticons

[@Theorymus]

Anytime 👍

[@zebhoops491]

The facts that this came out 9 years ago is crazyyy

[@cortez1203]

Now that I know Skids, Mudflap, Roadbuster, Dino, and Sideswipe are alive, I want another Bayformers film TLK wasn't a good ending

[@aidanshowers8366]

Knowing sideswipe, mirage, & roadbuster are alive makes me so happy. And hopefully in the events following the last knight they met up with the other bots to rebuild their home.

[@phantomhd7889]

Cap. They are all dead

[@metal_fusion]

@@phantomhd7889 Mirage is alive-> not his voice actor whatsoever. Sideswipe should be dead but it seem there has been many changes to the props while Roadbuster is alive surprisingly

[@phantomhd7889]

@@metal_fusion Mirage is not alive. He's not appearing in any movies nor making cameos so he's dead

[@metal_fusion]

@@phantomhd7889 Dude I watched Aoe very carefully and observant. His KSI card does not mark him KIA. He alive canonically, and the sad thing that Bayformers had ended it does not make Dino KIA

[@VisionsOfSpy]

@@phantomhd7889dude is literally in TLK

[@babysinclairfan]

One interesting detail is that the kre-o set for lockdown's ship calls the lead foot figure "sideswipe" and evasion Optimus is also in the set. Hasbro also released a 2-pack of Optimus and sideswipe Maybe we were originally going to see the first battle with lockdown and sideswipe would have died as Optimus escaped

[@TACTIK00L]

Maybe thats what the new mexico scene was, Optimus gets ambushed, sideswipe comes to the rescue and dies

[@tylermorgan5230]

I did see a set like that ones

[@jakecowsert6185]

Maybe didn’t update his card like leadfoot

[@shadowmarauder6033]

Too bad the card’s current owners are so secretive. This was one of the few things I can say Bay did right in the franchise

[@kwayneboy1524]

Yeah that's weird as shit too me that's like buying the kryptonite spear from BvS and not posting an image of it on Facebook or something. What's the point of having this stuff if your not gonna bank off of it?

[@shadowmarauder6033]

@@kwayneboy1524 exactly! I’d have those cards in at least one background photo or something. Heck, I might even loan them to tf KZbinrs like Theorymus or Ultra Primal to help in their research for videos & such.

[@kwayneboy1524]

@@shadowmarauder6033 what do you even think their doing with them it's been years you'd expect to do something with gold by now.

[@amgprod.55]

I wonder if there was some kind of NDA involved

[@yolkthosenuts]

Such fucking losers

[@SgtAJ218]

Thanks for explaining who were on those kill cards because I always assumed that most of the Autobots, including Sideswipe, were deceased. Also, I find it really cool how they're based on a real-life concept, which is something I always enjoyed about the Transformers movies, when they take real-life elements and incorporate them into the story.

[@Theorymus]

Anytime dude, I'm glad I was able to shed some light on these mysterious cards ❤

[@taifuskies3889]

I’ve always hoped Sideswipe and Dino were still alive, this finally give’s me closure knowing they did escape that corrupt organization

[@RondineJones]

Dino is Still Alive Except Sideswipe

[@gilbertg4426]

sideswipe is dead

[@EdwardHernandez-wk1jr]

@@gilbertg4426nooo don’t say that😔. Sideswipe was the second coolest character behind jazz

[@Agenteviee]

@@EdwardHernandez-wk1jrhe is dead

[@Elimed12]

@@Agenteviee wait what?

[@unnamed12346]

Sideswipe according to a UK Lore Piece: *Killed by Cemetery Wind* His card according to the deductions of Theorymus: *Actually survived* Yeah, I'm treating the Theorymus video as canon our favorite rollerstaking bot from the Bay Continuity is alive and well

[@Theorymus]

Heck yeah 👍

[@phantomhd7889]

​@@Theorymusactually Dino is dead

[@davidbailey6917]

@@phantomhd7889 No he isn't. His card doesn't have the red x. This confirms Dino is alive. And if Sideswipe has a Cemetery Wind, it would most likely say that Sideswipe survived.

[@ansemthetrueseekerofdarkne2730]

Its always nice hearing how more Original Trilogy characters may very well have survived. I would like to think that shortly after the events of The Last Knight, Optimus was able to find Sideswipe, Skids, Mudflap, Mirage, Roadbuster, etc. during trips to bring fellow Transformers back to Cybertron and he was overjoyed.

[@davidbailey6917]

Mudflap and Skids' cards are most likely continuity errors since they were killed by Sentinel Prime offscreen after he killed Ironhide. Same with Arcee's card. I can definitely see that Optimus Prime and the others would be able to find Dino, Roadbuster, Topspin, Wheelie, Brains, and possibly Sideswipe, Arcee, Chromia, and Elita-One.

[@ansemthetrueseekerofdarkne2730]

@@davidbailey6917 Quite a reunion, do you think that would help Optimus with at least a little trauma to see that some of the old crew made it?

[@davidbailey6917]

@@ansemthetrueseekerofdarkne2730 Absolutely!

[@ansemthetrueseekerofdarkne2730]

@@davidbailey6917 I kind of want to see a sparring match between Sideswipe and Drift now.

[@justinarzola4584]

Skids and mudflap were killed during the dark of the moon comic, then again I don't think bay considers those canon.

[@Ryder-a-Blaze]

I hate that these movies weakened the Transformers so that they could be killed by humans but at the same time it made them not completely useless, and I suppose it’s possible that the autobots helped them improve their weapons.

[@anthonyortiz45]

Los transformers no fueron debilitado, los humanos solo se adaptaron a ellos. En el pasado grandes maquinas/armas como los tanques y acorazados, eran amenaza muy serias que hasta se consideraban imparable, pero con el tiempo se fueron encontrando formas de contrarrestarlo hasta que cayeron en desuso. Lo mismo paso aqui, una vez que desarrollaron las formas para contrarrestarlo los tranformers decalleron.

[@justinarzola4584]

It is rather jarring how hard it was for humans to kill transformers considering the first 2 movies but considering nest developed weapons that could take them out it makes more sense.

[@friendlyneighborhoodkelbea7258]

Meanwhile in other media the Transformers can fall from orbit and barely feel anything lmao

[@noahwright8109]

@@justinarzola4584 If you remember, they had already developed energon sensors in Washington DC in DOTM. It's not really so far out of concept to say that weaponary developed so far it could take on transformers. I'm sure the Government had more than enough cybertronian tech they reversed-engineered stuff.

[@Anupamprime]

Even in First Film It showed That humans can easily adapt... For an example look at what they did after researching Scorponoks tail

[@darthrage1583]

The only Autobot who so far wasn't confirm to be killed or not was Mirage. Because if see the cards, the Autobots who got killed, died before Aoe and after that. I still have no idea what happened to Mirage in the bayverse. Also to the comments section, who here loves Mirage in Rise of the beasts beacase I like him.

[@DanieltheEnderman]

Dude In the very start of Transformers the last knight you may see 2 Autobots playing volleyball and that could be Mirage

[@davidemanuelarroyoportacio9499]

@@DanieltheEnderman but they have decepeticon desings

[@megatron_thegladiator]

​@David Emanuel Arroyo Portacio and there is one with arm blades

[@davidemanuelarroyoportacio9499]

@@megatron_thegladiator those probally are AOE drones

[@Revenuts]

​​@@davidemanuelarroyoportacio9499 what bruh. Decepticons designs? Its most likely Topspin with Dino

[@TheLordDarkmount]

Speaking of the jokers, I would propose an alternative theory that both of them would display Lockdown. We know, that the Cemetery Wind came into contact with him some time before AoE, so considering how he does not affiliate himself with either faction, one may speculate that they have put him on the joker cards thusly acknowledging that Lockdown can become an enemy in the future. Taking into account Attinger's unconcieved dislike for all Cybertronians, it seems very much in character for him to treat Lockdown as a potential aim for when the other transformers are hunted down.

[@andrewketcham7450]

That does make a lot of sense

[@mandolorian162]

I'll submit this to head cannon

[@jonathanbacenty6485]

@Theorymus pin this. This is actually smart

[@jonathanbacenty6485]

@Theorymus pin this. This is actually smart

[@kitothekito915]

thelorddarkmount who is the other one then?

[@arielcabatingan6044]

The cards in the movie was shown to us as a way to know who was killed.

[@Blue1sh]

Yeah when i saw my boi Dino Still Alive out there in the Bayverse

[@twister107]

@@Blue1sh sadly he was never going to return, as his voice actor passed away a week after DOTM came out.

[@IndianJimmy1]

​@@twister107 sad

[@croakinc3670]

No shit sherlock, watch the video

[@davidemanuelarroyoportacio9499]

@@twister107 honestly that thing of VC dying and taking the character to the tomb is not a good idea literrally for transformers this doens't feel good for other franchises is understadable like disney but when it's a transformers movie he wasn't the mirage original VC so they could've changed that

[@HelenaSan425]

R.I.P to all the Autobots in DOTM (except for Sentinel prime) Especially Ironhide Sideswipe Wreckers Dino and yes even que

[@christianparrish3292]

Agreed

[@Blue1sh]

Don't Forget Dino he was so bad ass!

[@MR_stone69]

No sentinel prime

[@johnclifton2820]

@@Blue1sh Dino survived he was playing volleyball in tlk lol. But I agree he badass

[@phantomhd7889]

​@@johnclifton2820that was KSI sentry not Dino

[@awesomeproductions7755]

I wonder if any of these missing characters would have been brought back if a Bayformers 6 actually happened. Y’know, maybe there could’ve been a big cavalry moment with them and others during the final battle with Unicron, like in Endgame.

[@Yz_dempzeiデンプゼイ]

Yeah like sideswipe and dino would show up

[@vain3207]

​@@Yz_dempzeiデンプゼイ Mirage - Voice Actor dead Sideswipe - Voice Actor dead Skids - Still alive Mudflap - still alive

[@awesomeproductions7755]

Nope, both of Sideswipe’s voice actors - André Sogliuzzo _(ROTF)_ and James Remar _(DOTM and The Ride)_ - are still alive.

[@awesomeproductions7755]

@tyler y Was he not killed by Shockwave in the DOTM prequel comics?

[@vain3207]

@@awesomeproductions7755 say what

[@MechaKnuckles]

I'm glad to know Roadbuster probably survived. I always theorized that he was with Topspin in Cuba, since in one of the TLK scenes, Topspin is shown playing volleyball with someone else, and they mention someone named "Rodrigo".

[@anothergeek6627]

I hope Barricade is one of the jokers simply because of his famous final battle disappearing acts😂

[@Therandomhuman123]

I'm really happy that Sideswipe and Dino are still alive! I hope they come back in later movies or even in a post credit scene

[@redglint6451]

Im flabbergasted at how much effort this man puts into every video man spent hours, days maybe, looking at every single angle of thoose barely visibls cards to try to find wich bot it was and even found a pattern to it AND made the deck cards himself, truly a legend. Good job man!

[@Theorymus]

Thanks man this really means a lot, I always strive to do the best for you guys ^_^

[@Striker3-1]

I also spotted a cool detail about Soundwave when he spoke in DOTM if you look at his speakers on his arm you can see they are moving everytime he speaks

[@Ian_Hawke]

FINALLY after 8 WHOLE years. I feel like I’m satisfied with the cards. Even though we don’t know the rest of them.

[@christinepearson4972]

The transformers character of sideways being labeled as a joker card is fitting for him for 2 reasons reason number 1 has to with the joker card being labeled as a wild card and reason number 2 has to do with him being able to switch sides between the good guys and the bad guys

[@christinepearson4972]

What do I win the thank you captain obvious award

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

I mean, in the movies Sideways kind of did nothing and got killed by Sideswipe

[@TheConfusedP3nc1l]

It's impressive how you figured out sideswipe with so little detail

[@Theorymus]

It took a while for me to figure it out but i'm positive it has to be him 😎

[@DanieltheEnderman]

@@Theorymus Now that's incredible

[@runamuck840]

@@Theorymus I actually found a photo of his card

[@speeddemonchris]

@@runamuck840 where???

[@runamuck840]

@@speeddemonchris Google transformers aoe kill cards

[@InyourWalls-vh2le]

Im really happy sideswipe and Dino are alive there were my favorite characters and i honestly loved there designs.

[@phantomhd7889]

They were killed by Lockdown

[@datedwizard989]

While it might not be concrete with leadfoot not being marked as dead & garbage being misspelled it’s nice to think that Sideswipe survived. It’s also crazy that a couple people spent $800-1k on these props and have said or shown nothing. I appreciate you making this video, it’s been something I’ve questioned for almost 9 years ago & I’ve always wanted to know who were the other cards.

[@beybreado]

Bro is the type to find out book-long info from a single pixel frame

[@Theorymus]

Lmao

[@Quintesson16]

Loader's cgi model is my biggest part of the mystery. DOTM made toys out of so many characters, im surprised he didnt get one.

[@LordBumblebee1238]

On Deviantart, a user by the name of Hnorris16, someone told him that the two of spades and hearts was actually Jolt and the ten of spades and hearts was Topspin and also stated that Sideswipe didn’t have a card

[@Pigpen_YT]

Hearing you talk about the 2003 Invasion of Iraq for even a brief moment was very surreal

[@nova_zar]

Starscream and Igor are Queens 👑 😂 seems accurate enough

[@WWNbroadcasts]

I’m just glad a couple of auto bots like mirage and sideswipe are alive

[@zexalcommander7036]

16:20 YEEEEES!! HES ALIIIIVE! Sideswipe was always one of my favorites when I first watched the Bay films. Glad to know he made it to the end, even if he wasn’t on screen for it. I remember earlier theories believing he was killed by Cemetery Wind due to the ambiguous silver chassis/remains we saw in KSI labs. Guess that disproves that, thankfully whew

[@nakumezm1369]

" Are there any signs of any others?" " No, we're all that's left." " They're shooting us down one by one." Well those lines from AoE are now retconned.

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

Well, Optimus and the others didn't get any signs in the first movie, but in the sequel there's like 6 new autobots joining in. And you know what they say, if you're being hunted by authorities: radio silence is your best friend

[@MintTea2005]

Damn now I wonder how a fight between Sentinel Prime and the Fallen would go..

[@Yz_dempzeiデンプゼイ]

Only a prime can beat him -jetfire

[@phantomhd7889]

​@@Yz_dempzeiデンプゼイJetfire said that The Fallen was stronger than any other primes

[@TheNarwhal784]

sentinel is a prime tho, But I think he would lose against the fallen, not easily, but like mid diff, unless he merges with another transformer like optimus did with jetfire.

[@phantomhd7889]

@@TheNarwhal784 The Fallen is the OG prime, Sentinel is a new prime

[@TheNarwhal784]

@@phantomhd7889 correct

[@Renaldo900gamer]

4:00 - 4:05 I like how you were doing a thumbs up and nodding at the camera, you made it feel like an actual commercial and I love that!!!🤣❤

[@directorforplastic7929]

As much as I love Sideswipe, I do think it makes more sense for him, Roadbuster and Dino to have been killed by cemetery wind. Like, they don’t pose too much of a threat if the only autobots they’ve been confirmed to have killed were ratchet and Leadfoot. And before anyone says that their cards didn’t have an X on them, well neither did Leadfoots and we know he was killed.

[@brandonbggonzalez3273]

The issue is that the meeting where Attinger had the cards, it takes place after leadfoot is killed. Why? The footage Cade took was before Ratchet was killed. Also Sideswipe was in Mexico.

[@theillusionist2876]

I think that leadfoot was killed the day before the cemetery wind invaded his house. Being a task force that hunts down the transformer, they would have multiple groups especially with a CIA operative running it. So maybe the drones that the footage was taken from all had a shared server. As the card scene was (I am assuming) a minimum of 3 days before the attack on his house, the card was yet to be updated to show leadfoot was dead. As for sideswipe and dino. Both were common assets for stealth missions so really good at hiding. That’s my reason idk if it’s true or not, just my theory.

[@brandonbggonzalez3273]

@@theillusionist2876 their faction didn’t seem that large. Remember the scene when Attinger was talking to them about how they got their butts kicked. We see them all.

[@theillusionist2876]

@brandonbggonzalez I haven’t watched the movie in a while but (this is going off the top of my head) that scene wasn’t done by Attinger it was done by his lackey that he sent after kade who is never seen in the video of leadfoot dying. Also I am pretty sure that attinger was in his office in Washington so how could he tell cemetery wind that they sucked if all he heard what was coming from his phone to said lackey

[@brandonbggonzalez3273]

@@theillusionist2876 no he let them all in person.

[@ThisIsCyber]

Bro Bumblebee being wanted seems so weird to me lmao

[@ThisIsCyber]

@Theorymus1 no

[@sugdolomar]

Bro blew up a house and caused a lot of property damages, not to mention his war crimes in ww2.

[@justanotherafol9723]

I really think Cemetery Wind was a really cool concept.

[@TheDaftRam]

What if Topspin was the 2 of Hearts/Spades? It would make sense. On top of that, We haven’t seen Topspin’s card, so…

[@_ara1554]

We don't need the owner of the cards to show them now, our boy here revealed everything. We appreciate your efforts for us Bayverse fans.

[@CosmicVRS]

I would have thought Ratchet would be 2 and Arcee the second Queen, and the Jokers could have been the small bots as one was originally a Decepticon. I'm just glad Sideswipe's alive :)

[@fisitron6018]

Anyone else really want to make a card deck using this line up? I think it would be cool. And great video once again, i love your work man

[@king.godzilla2661]

Thank you for making this Theory because when I was little when I saw this movie for the first time in the theater, I was very confused of what are these cards for.

[@cjbricks422]

Dang! I have lots of respect for you, Theorymus! You are quite the detective!

[@Theorymus]

Thanks man 👍

[@Transformers_nerd_stop_motions]

We really needed this, thank you theorymus for clearing up many plotholes❤

[@Theorymus]

Anytime dude 😁

[@DarkMedic]

Jolt and sideways being the jokers got me rolling

[@colinmack93]

I really wish they would make those for the public not just exclusive people who attended the auction

[@johnramilleplaton1100]

Wait a minute. i read in a Wiki that Autobots was granted permanent Asylum on Earth. After the Battle of Chicago, NEST was shut down and was replaced by Cemetery Wind, and was given the task by the President himself to hunt down the remaining Decepticons. But Attinger has other agendas, especially after being contacted by Lockdown. Attinger himself viewed all Cybertronians as evil so he was willing to betray Optimus, and after being promised a technology by Lockdown, he contacted Joyce to establish to create their own version of Autobots, as they needed to establish the fact that the Autobots are still alive to cover their tracks.

[@sam1062]

Did you know most of that info was discussed on a video theorymus made a few months ago

[@MrBeePrime]

For all of you who think Lockdown is stronger than Optimus, let me explain to you how wrong you are, Optimus literally destroys him. There were "four fights" between them. 1. Off screen in Mexico city 2. When CW was chasing Cade, Lucas, Tessa and Shane 3. When Optimus was fighting Galvatron 4. Final fight In the first fight Attinger tells Lockdown: "What happened in Mexico city, I thought you had him(Optimus)" and Lockdown said that he gave him 2 mortal injuries and than humans allowed him to escape. Meaning that that was a trap, an ambush, even Optimus said that was a trap at one point in the movie and it wasn't a 1vs1 fight, Lockdown probably shot him behind his back or something, humans attacked Optimus and Optimus got away because he was injured and didn't want to hurt humans. In the second fight Lockdown was chasing Optimus while Optimus was chasing CW in an attempt to stop them from hurting Cade, Tessa, Lucas and Shane(he wasn't running away from Lockdown). And even tho Optimus was injured and in a rusty state and was trying to save humans he still managed to beat Lockdown there, because he hung him on some ropes or something and could have killed him easily there but he went to save Cade and humans instead. In third fight Optimus was winning against Galvatron and was above him, punching him and all that stuff and then Lockdown shot him behind the back, again, so yeah, even tho it's obvious and stupid, some people still say that Lockdown won that fight, lmao In the final battle Lockdown gained and upper hand from the start because he had the high ground and some parts of a building that Lockdown shot fell on Optimus and Lockdown was winning at first because of that. Now, Cade was there but he did NOTHING to Lockdown and then Attinger came and Cade was helpless. Look now, Optimus turned the fight around, and was starting to beat Lockdown, then he saw that Attinger is going to shoot Cade, he put Lockdown on the ground(meaning he was winning and yes he was winning while also looking out for Cade, so he wasn't even 100% in a fight), shot Attinger and when he wasn't looking Lockdown gained an upper hand again and got Optimus on a wall with a sword through his chest. And then Bee and humans started helping, but it is so clear that Optimus would have beaten Lockdown if it wasn't for Cade. And for you people that are saying Lockdown caught all the dinobots he is so strong, well think again, he probably just used that giant magnet from his ship, and that magnet almost sucked them in again but it was Optimus who destroyed the magnet. So, my point is: Lockdown is strong, but Optimus Prime is stronger!

[@tamas9554]

Lockdown doesn't even have to be that strong in a 1v1 duel, he is more like an assassin. He uses the various tools at his disposal and will also exploit the weaknesses of his target, even if it means he will have to take some dishonoralbe actions. He also considers all of his options and chooses the most efficent one, like for example allying with the humans in order to accomplish his mission, even going so far as to promise a fair transaction and fulfill it. In terms of pure fighting, Optimus might get the edge over Lockdown, but in other ways he is definetly weaker than him. But that is just natural, after all, Lockdown was the main antagonist of AoE, and the villains are characters whom the hero has to overcome, so they are stronger most of the time. Lockdown wouldn't have been a threat if he was just straight up weaker than Optimus in every single way :D

[@Miguel_Cam]

Although the last 2 bay films got more criticism. In AoE, it kinda make sense that the wars between autobots & decepticons on earth caused much distruction. Especially the civilian lives lost throught out these wars. Which is why high powers in the government like the CIA, show there frustration. Over losing there's, and other's loved ones, but the impact these wars had on human life. Also how this issue wasn't paid much attention and prevented before. But overall, there were many small errors to the plot that could've been fixed to make it better.

[@ItsMeFPS]

I also like how Decepticons (the ones responsible for Chicago) were locked up, where the auto bits who literally fought for them were killed on sight

[@isuckatusernames4297]

to be fair, the cons probably surrendered while the bots tried to resist.

[@LunrFox]

After seeing that Elita-1 card, I am incerdibly curious as to what happened to Chromia and Arcee now.

[@Johanimate]

Well Arcee blew up as well in the Egypt battle

[@tracytron7162]

Arcee died in ROTF

[@StrakanDocrusReakal]

I would have thought that one of them would have been the other queen

[@LeonardoAld]

Fun fact: There IS, in fact, art for Mudflap and Skids, as Hasbro did manufactured toys with Dark of the Moon design. I myself happen to own the Mudflap toy in the small variant

[@skybytebytes]

Unfortunately, I would wager to bet that a private collector purchased those cards in that auction a long time ago, so I don’t see them coming forward unfortunately :/ thanks for the video regardless, it was worth it for closure on sideswipe

[@superdrifter-1773]

I’ll never get why autobots wouldn’t scan a flying vehicle to eventually scan a jet to get out of earths orbit. I’ve always imagined someone doing that to get help from the stars

[@STINGERY234]

My best guess is that they just dont have the parts to do that.

[@phantomhd7889]

You have to accept the truth that both Dino and Sideswipe are dead. Lemme explain: There are 2 reasons: 1) when autobots reunited in one scene Hound said that there are only 5 of us left, which means that all other autobots have been killed. 2) After Lockdown says 'its my personal prison now' there is a scene where there is a lot of trash that are used for the fuel in Knoghts Temenos. However of we take a look we can see the body which is being ripped out, and there are red parts . And based on the color, thats Dino. And if we look at the very left, we can see Sideswipes blade lying on the ground, this is Sideswipes blade which makes the thing that Sideswipe is also dead. Here ya go, thats the evidence

[@Storm-Cloud]

That body getting ripped apart is not dino, it's probably leadfoot since that body is too bulky for dino

[@phantomhd7889]

@@Storm-Cloud that's not Leadfoots body, that the same size as Dino and has the color which matches Dinos colors

[@RajiAbdulrahman]

Hound said it only 5 of them remaining yet tospins shows up in last knight.

[@zac7258]

I can’t believe that those nerds never showed what the cards were

[@primeconor]

Wasn’t there a deleted DOTM scene where Dino gets executed by Soundwave? I kinda always assumed he was dead because of that and I swear they killed skids and mudflap off screen

[@PythonusPrime]

Astrotrain could also be one. He appeared in the idw movie comics and you made a theory that he might be in the background of DOTM

[@josiahlee3403]

Where the hell is Dino and sideswipe

[@ranggareiss2202]

Man, I hope i live long enough to see that Loader card, it's been almost a decade and we still no idea how he looks like....

[@normal.knight]

If cemetery winds manage to kill all autobots they would all be dead by tlk

[@knucklestheechidna8276]

I think this is the status of autobots 1: Topspin is alive 2: sideswipe and mirage parts was in lockdown's ship 3: jolt's head was in Age of Extinction 4: roundbuster is maybe alive(i think not) 5: all Skids and Mudflap are offscreen dead by sentinel 6: Elita and Arcee are dead in Revenge of the Fallen 7: Chromia(unknown

[@Anthonymacpatto]

It would be nice if the owners of the cards reveal the true cards to show how close was theorymus with his cards, to the real cards

[@SHINIGAMI6774]

I’m glad mirage survived he was one of my favorites. I just wish we got to see him again

[@Someguyfromtheinternet36]

Good morning and Good luck untangling this mess Theroymus.

[@lenaally-jq9xr]

Good goob jason you made your own predictions to who could be on the rest of the kill cards instead wasting money just to buy them

[@marialopez-ql9ec]

YOOOO ANOTHER THEORYMUS VIDEOOO

[@Osna_Durtha]

I do wonder what causes Cemetery Wind and Attinger to put Garagebot so high. Like is he DotM Berserker? What unspeakable acts did he do or what chain of command was he in that he was above Shockwave *and* Soundwave? Really makes me think of like these secret stories that aren't told and hidden

[@jasonkeane133]

I'm just wondering, are you going to do more what if I survived episodes?

[@Theorymus]

It's something I have been considering

[@jasonkeane133]

@@Theorymus Well if you do end up making them again, I'd really be looking forward to it. Also, a thought, what if the What if I Survived series was expanded to Transformers cartoons?

[@zeebaka]

Good Lord, bringing up the footage from the ROTF game brought back so many memories...

[@blametheghost]

YAY PLAYING CARDS also im watching rise of the beasts tonight and im gonna be so excited

[@BaconRobloxReal]

Yo i just watched it and it was AMAZING.

[@blametheghost]

Edit, i have a change of plans Im going tomorrow and not tonight cus my dad didnt get pay yet and when he gets pay its gonna be halfway into the movie

[@danielschmarotzer6193]

I personally loved the wreckers so it really hurts me that they not really made it alive, the following is not confirmed but the design the wrecker has in Transformers 5 wouldn't make sense overwise, hear me out: The wreckers helped when Optimus was ambushed. Leadfoot and Roadbuster didn't make it and Topspin was heavily injured, so Ratchet who arrived later at the scene had to 'repair' Topspin and used parts of Leadfoot and Roadbuster. The bot we see with Simmons in The Last Knight is basically a prove to that theory. He has: -Leadfoots head/face -Topspins body overall -and a few parts of Roadbuster In the scene there Simmons is on the public phone and 'they? tell im to hang up and come along to play volleyball and Simmons get pissed, you can see that because 'they?' are in a closeup.

[@LordMegatron-qk2gz]

Let's be real, 4 and 5 never happened and it ended with Dark of the Moon

[@springy5082]

Agreed

[@joshuaswartz4602]

I liked 4 because when I was younger I think it was one of the 1st transformers movies I watched and i really liked galvatron , grimlock and the redesign of optimus prime, I grew up with bayverse but now that I'm older I understand why people hate it so much , but it'll always hold a special place to me Edit : I also a few months ago watched season 1 and 2 of G1 , a bit of season 3 and I've seen the 86 movie and that is why I see the bayverse different now

[@phantomhd7889]

Nah bro. TF 4 actually existed and it was good.

[@metal_fusion]

@@phantomhd7889 It was cringe when it came down to the two useless teenagers

[@phantomhd7889]

@@metal_fusion TLK was cringier

[@reaperstalkerpeeperleviath7324]

I love mirage,ratchet,leadfoot,starscream,ironhide,loader,skid and mudflap,roadbuster,wheelie

[@Ryder-a-Blaze]

I’m watching Transformers: Rise of the Beasts today, I’m so excited.

[@Lodestar.]

Thanks for taking all of the time and effort to do all this

[@MagnustheDemon71]

Nice vid Can’t wait for rise of the beasts

[@therealboogie10]

Autobot card 10 looks kinda like Ratchet to me, the color could be like a very darkish green, and the "panel lines" could be Ratchets front push bar. It could also explain the upper piece in the card since ratchet has big shoulders

[@CWFLAEMOFC]

Nice video! I have a quick question. During Dark of the Moon when Sentinel launched the space bridge and all The Dread variants made their way from the moon to Washington D.C. and scattered. After the Battle of Chicago, what happened to the remaining Decepticons? Were they hunted down or went into hiding? It sounds a bit confusing, but I was wondering what happened to the remaining Decepticons or probably mainly The Dread variants.

[@Theorymus]

That's a good question, The main consensus on that 1 is that they were hunted down by the autobots and later hunted down by cemetery wind but a handful were still Hiding on earth after

[@CWFLAEMOFC]

@@Theorymus Okay, that makes sense. I was wondering as well if they were The Dreads variants or other Decepticons excluding The Dreads. Thanks, for clarifying it makes more sense.

[@vice-grip]

I’ve been subscribed to you for a long time but seeing this video reminded me of you, your videos’ quality is good and I will watch the rest of your vids. Way to go, keep theorizing brother and I will always be excited when you upload!

[@Theorymus]

Thanks man that really means a lot, I always try to do my best 👍

[@anneboonchuy17]

Finally. Time to end these bayverse loose ends and start a new era

[@croakinc3670]

Yeah, I'm ready for ROTB

[@Idate._intrepidus7]

Hopefully we get more image of the card and heroine out who is alive and die For the autobot side I think q could Be a is likely arcee or chromia 2 is ratchet or topspin For the deception The cards could possibly be Soundwave,demolishor,Scrapmetal,scavenger,Hightower,mixmaster,rampage,skipjack,scrapper,Bonecrusher,barricade,and sideway

[@TerminatorTheory]

*Loader Gang Loader Gang*

[@lous2187]

Going by how many Autobots and Decepticons that are alive, minus the dead characters there is probably around 40 Autobots and Decepticons who are still around going by there being 52 cards in a deck

[@davidemanuelarroyoportacio9499]

honestly i believe fire brothers' theory of the nuclear power plant and i'd like to think most of them died except for the AOE autobots and bee that's my headcannon probally they would've brought them back in 7th movie but honestly they said in AOE with dino's case is pretty was much just Bay's car and sideswipe wasn't planned he didn't get a mention alongside the others so i would say most of those bots died before AOE and the last one was ratchet you know what they could've used for rise of unicron they could've gone there with sentinel's pillars and probally time travel to bring back some of the bots i pretty much thought they would bring sideswipe and dino back in tlk in the venezuela scenes

[@megatron_thegladiator]

I believe that dino is in cuba playing volleyball because they showed that short scene where a transformer with armblades is hitting a volleyball.

[@cutercills9x9productions9]

I think some of us do remember a photo of Sideswipe, with him as a Hearts A, and Dino with a Diamonds 4. Both have a red X, but from what the video suggests, these are probably fake, either edited ones or fan made replicas.

[@thelastspinosaur6451]

Sideswipe is honestly my favorite autobot, and I feel like your theory is pretty compelling. So, I’m pretty glad my boi double S is ok 😀

[@thenitroblast0056]

I was a kid when I watched that cards scene, I was like: Those cards contains the ultimate information

[@CV_TheYTGamer]

I would put Blackout as the same position as the fallen because Blackout can literally destroy a military base without difficulty

[@robrice7246]

24:09 You can see that there's a card that says Beam and the letters GH before that. I assume this meant that there's a Transformer named High Beam in the movieverse (it's pretty blurry if you see it close up, so it may be hard to tell).

[@Dragontalon486]

Man, I wish Hasbro would have released the card decks as promotional merch.

[@dicemace3664]

Bayverse sideswipe is the coolest transformer ever. Honestly I hope he gets added instead of the red model in og transformers.

[@Jurassican25]

I would've put Wheelie and Brains in the joker spots because that's the only reason they're in the movies lol

[@BrianGomez8888]

You clearly didn’t see the 3rd movie

[@anonymousguy7005]

No, they literally saved Bumblebee.

[@Jurassican25]

@@BrianGomez8888 I was making a half assed attempt at humour here, why so serious?