How The CIA Hunted Down The Autobots

In this video we will be talking about, how the CIA hunted down the Autobots! As you may or may not know in Transformers Age of Extinction, the CIA task force, Cemetery Wind, went on a crusade to hunt down and exterminate all Transformers on earth. This video dives into how they were able to conduct this operation right under the presidents nose! I also dive into why the public turned aginst the Autobots, how Cemetery Wind ambushed Optimus Prime in Mexico City, and how Bumblebee took command in the wake of Optimus' disappearance!
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[@lonewolfnergiganos4000]

Ratchet's death has to be one of the saddest deaths in the bayverse movies, he was murdered brutally despite pleading for the humans to stop attacking him.

[@christianparrish3292]

Exactly.

[@vincenthorn4767]

Some humans are decepticons made flesh

[@GCB-2008]

And not once did he hurt anyone either. He just hid and ran and they still didn't get the memo.

[@christianparrish3292]

@@GCB-2008 they just wanted autobots dead. No matter what.

[@twister107]

@@christianparrish3292not every human knew what Cemetery wind was doing. They gave the illusion to the public and the government that they were working WITH the Autobots to hunt down the remaining Decepticons. When the governments of the world learned what it was that Cemetery Wind was truly doing, they shut it down and arrested all remaining members and replaced it with the TFA, which actively looked for Autobots or Decepticon markings on their targets to learn if they were friend or foe. And before someone in the future tries to correct me and say that they killed Canopy who was an Autobot, Canopy had no visible symbol bearing his allegiance. Therefore, they could not take the chance that he was a Decepticon.

[@therealjirosomer876]

The most realistic part of this entire franchise is that the US Government has no idea what the CIA is actually doing

[@sergeantzack1106]

Yeah because it's not like the cia is part of the government

[@novustalks7525]

Really?

[@RedDozer]

​@@novustalks7525 this is actually pretty true

[@shoazdon7000]

They knew bro, they might not know every little thing they do but you can’t hunt giant robots and keep it a secret

[@mingfanzhang8927]

😢

[@bantuboi3131]

2 things: 1. Sentinel Prime, an AUTOBOT, launched an attack that killed thousands in Chicago. As far as the mass public knew, both sides can be violent and unpredictable. 2. Dino literally threw Hatchet's body onto oncoming traffic, killing whoever was in that car. So you have incidents of Autobots killing humans in these movies. Is it that hard to believe that there are ppl who hate both Autobots and Decepticons? Alot of ppl just wanted them all gone off the planet and on some other planet.

[@brianachim2670]

You’re forgetting if it wasn’t for the Autobots Earth would of been lost multiple times now.

[@bantuboi3131]

@brianachim2670 I'm not forgetting. But everytime they fight, there are huge casualties. In TF4, it was actually a good idea to build transformers we could control in case another Autobot pulled a Sentinel Prime and turned on us. Why leave our defense up to aliens? In TF5, they properly used their tech to build a defense that worked. There were no battles in the cities. The TRF eliminated any threats the transformers posed. In the real world, thats what would happen.

[@brianachim2670]

@@bantuboi3131 Minus the teaming up with the decepticons for no logical reason 😂

[@phantom6453]

@@bantuboi3131didn’t "megatron" take control of thos damn things

[@bantuboi3131]

@@phantom6453 because they used his consciousness when they shouldn't have. In TF5, they perfected it by making automated Sentry drones.

[@mikeydavid4500]

So Sentinel's betrayal was the whole reason Cemitary Wind is killing all cybertronians regardless of faction

[@BronyLord-wo1ym]

And the reason why the Public grew a hatred towards the Autobots. But they are certainly blind into thinking that the Autobots are to blame for the Decepticons trying to destroy Earth. The Decepticons are real threat, They are intentionally trying to crush earth & human life. They clearly see that The Autobots are defending earth from the decepticon invaders. But again they do not see it that way. They believe Autobots are the reason why Decepticons keep trying to destroy earth, Which is certainly not true at all.

[@arnoldbass8709]

Basically

[@daydragoon331]

Ironic that he did all that for a better future, only to ruin the future of the Autobots and Decepticons

[@Jack-kx5em]

Exactly! Sentinel did betray the Autobots and N.E.S.T team

[@TheWarmachine375]

​@@Jack-kx5em It would have made more sense if Attinger reference Sentinel Prime's betrayal as the reason than just his blind hate that made him one dimensional.

[@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r]

The events that happened before AOE is such a dark and intriguing time period that is so interesting to theorize on to this day. We might not know much about it, but the fact we're still putting the pieces together ourselves is such an enjoyable thing to do

[@giovonniiclayton]

The original live action movie saga is probably the most interesting part of the franchise but it was held back by the fact that the people behind the films especially 4 and 5 didn’t take the story they were crafting seriously

[@PoIarisPrime]

@@giovonniiclayton nah 4 was taken seriously 5 fell off just a bit tho

[@Mothbean]

​@@giovonniiclayton I wouldn't call it "The most interesting part of the franchise" but I do think Bayverse is an incredibly unique take on the franchise. It just has this distinct vibe that no other TF media gives off

[@Ryder-a-Blaze]

It was really stupid of Savoy to ask Ratchet why he was running when they were shooting at him

[@vain3207]

Exactly. But i do miss the nest team TF2 & TF3 they are better than cemetery wind and TRF

[@nova_zar]

he was mocking him

[@Ryder-a-Blaze]

@@nova_zar that’s makes him even more of a scumbag

[@mazeoross8970]

That's what I said

[@soshyprod]

@@vain3207i loved nest

[@Achieme]

I honestly would love a Bayverse movie that would explain what happened between DOTM and AOE.

[@imapotato1111]

That would be cool. But there would be a lot of deaths. I'm in.

[@everettparker1313]

This was an Incredible Video for How and Why The Transformers Were Hunted by Humans. Because I was so Angry why The Autobot’s were being hunted down is because if it weren’t for The Autobot’s The Human Race would have been Enslaved and been Race from Existence. I want to thank you Theorymus for your dedication to This Live Action Transformers Cinematic Universe.

[@kart_monkey]

imagine if Sideswipe's VA just casually mentions that Sideswipe is alive in TLK

[@sebastiensadana1752]

What does va mean?

[@samuellopez479]

@@sebastiensadana1752 “voice actor”

[@Himblebee]

Hey @Theorymus, I remember you saying that the war on Cybertron lasted for millions of years. I think it'd be cool if you did a video explaining how long the war on Cybertron lasted specifically for the Bayverse. My best theory is that in ROTF Jetfire states that the Fallen was the first Decepticon and wanted to use the Star Harvester but the 6 other Primes would soon discover that Earth was populated with life. And we know that they don't allow the Star Harvester to be used on planets with life based on what Jetfire stated in ROTF. I think the first 7 Primes arrived somewhere around 17000 BC based on the first scene in ROTF. And the war on Cybertron would've had to have ended somewhere around 1969 based on the fact that the Ark crash landed on the moon causing the Apollo 11 mission, in 1969. In DOTM Optimus and Sentinel visit Africa and there Optimus states "I wounder what could've been, had you fought the final battle... instead of me" leading me to conclude (based on a calculator) that the war on Cybertron for the Bayverse would've had to have lasted for at least 18,968 years. While Cybertronian lifespans work differently compared to that of a human, I think it would still be enough for Bayverse Prime to grow impatient, thus for violent because he's tired of living in a war. Which is completely understandable. Thats just a theory which more than likely isn't accurate but it was something that's been on my mind lately. I'd love to see what you think!

[@nova_zar]

The Fallen started the Decepticon faction after 17000 BC and the Allspark landed on Earth around 10000 BC so the war in Cybertron must've lasted less than 7000 years, however the war continued on other planets after they left Cybertron.

[@Transformers_nerd_stop_motions]

That would be a good idea

[@MogusMasterSaikawa22]

the war on cybertron was not millions of years in the movies though it was only a bit over 10000 years. meaning megatron was absent for almost all of it due to his incompetence crashing on earth and was never optimus's arch nemesis he was sentinels arch nemesis while optimus's was starscream ashfoid

[@corvus9359]

If Cemetery Wind used to work with the Autobots, I wonder if Hooch and Marc L initially joined Cemetery Wind under the assumption they'd be fighting Decepticons, since NEST was disbanded, and they probably didn't want to go back to their previous lives of retirement. Since they fought alongside the Autobots for so long, I feel like they'd recognize the value of the Autobots in protecting Earth from the Decepticons. I don't think it really makes sense for them to have a sudden change of heart and turn against the Autobots after everything they'd been through, especially when they were willing to risk their lives going into Chicago with Sam and Epps, where the only reason they survived is because of the Autobots. Their past experience fighting Decepticons also probably would've made them suitable for higher positions within Cemetery Wind.

[@adrammelechthewroth6511]

I chock it up to bad writing and human stupidity.

[@ZacsterPlayz]

You could also say that the reason sam isn’t seen and not dead is that when Optimus said stop all contact with humans bumblebee lost contact with same so he wouldn’t get hurt.

[@Danial-gc4wh]

Theory confirmed: chromia was killed by lockdown offscreen and KSI Red sentry in last knight and jolt was killed by shockwave DOTM.

[@jolt5644]

I’M BACK!

[@arnoldbass8709]

I thought chromia was killed in Rotf when Bonecrusher ambushed her in elita

[@Danial-gc4wh]

Well in ROTF ironhide save chromia because ironhide try his best because ironhide love chromia.

[@Alexgodofwar5662]

Chromia survived The one that died by cemetery wind was arcee

[@Alexgodofwar5662]

​@@arnoldbass8709no the arcee sisters survived operation fire storm

[@ninjamasterbuilder8675]

Theorymus if you look at Bumblebee's expression as Drift mentions only four autobots made it he shows shame by lowering his head due to sadness in failing to save all his Autobot friends

[@BronyLord-wo1ym]

My conclusion is that Attinger must have felt that the United States President was still going to side with/let the Autobots live after Chicago's destruction. So he took matters into his own hands by backstabbing the Government into just murdering Autobots & Decepticons, Since the Government was still going allow the Autobots to live when He felt like they should just be killed right off the spot. But that's just my interpretation...

[@tylergranger2159]

Makes sense considering that even the president asked if he would have a picture with Optimus. And that Attinger is actually called a rogue.

[@spooder6835]

Absolute banger Theorymus, Transformers videos don't get much better than this, it was a true honour and privilege to be able to see your hard work pay off!

[@Theorymus]

Thanks my man, that truly means a lot 😁✌️

[@jjohnson2445]

​@@Theorymus yet there were a few casualty's Sam witwicky and his parents and his dog

[@Megajaybreaker4]

FINALLY. Finally someone else who says that Optimus doesn’t say “Sam run!” I was SO tired of hearing that.

[@khumokwezimashapa2245]

This is why you're the ONLY transformer KZbin channel I watch

[@Theorymus]

Thanks man, that really means a lot!

[@joec7217]

Cemetery Wind is the Order 66 for the Autobots

[@Dark_0verlord]

Harold Attinger has always been one of my favourite human characters in the Bayverse (the others are Seymour Simmons, Dutch, Dylan Gould, and Joshua Joyce) and I've always thought he was one of the Bayverse's most underrated characters, so it's nice to finally see a video about him and the history of Cemetery Wind. I've always considered Harold Attinger to be one of the most evil characters in the Bayverse alongside The Fallen (and technically Unicron, but we never got to see him do stuff so...), as well as one of the most evil humans in the entire Transformers franchise (if not the most evil). While you could argue that he believed he was helping humanity by eliminating all Transformers, the fact that he was at least partially motivated by getting that sweet retirement cash, and his cruelty and lack of empathy towards other humans (remember when he ordered James Savoy to shoot Tessa to make Cade reveal Optimus' location, or when he literally said "Innocent people die all the time") highlight how nefarious he truly is. Great video as always Theorymus.

[@yerriff8115]

I love how you mentioned Joshua Joyce, as I feel like he was one of the more underrated human characters, who had arguably the most character development out of anyone. I found his ruthless, narcissistic CEO attitude immensely entertaining and brilliantly acted - but despite all that, he was receptive to Cade's concerns that Galvatron had gone rogue, and the way his relationship with Attinger soured over the course of the movie was surprisingly well written. After running from the KSI army along with the Yeager family, it really felt like he had turned a new leaf by the end of the movie.

[@Dark_0verlord]

I couldn't agree more. I love the scene where Joshua stands up to Harold after he realises that his childhood dream has been twisted into something evil. He's also easily one of the funniest characters in the Bayverse. "WHY CAN'T WE MAKE WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE, THE WAY WE WANNA MAKE IT?!" "How do you say "Get the f**k out of the way" in Chinese?"

[@nova_zar]

@@Dark_0verlord Yeah Joshua was great, I was a bit disappointed that the actor didn't reprise his role in TLK but oh well Merlin was still funny.

[@Dark_0verlord]

@@nova_zar "I would give up everything. EVERYTHING! I'd give up drink, money, wom-... Drink and money."

[@Carpediem357]

To think we could've had a Mexico City Comic explaining it had Amazon not ruined DOTM

[@TheTransformersFanChannel]

Tbf if that hadn’t happened we probably wouldn’t have age of extinction or tlk

[@trungdinh6398]

For me, the Transformers series ended with " Dark of the Moon ". It was a perfect ending for the whole franchise. But it's good to watch your theories ^^

[@151monka]

Personally, i honestly prefer the first film ending as the best one. 1- end of film one 2- end of film three 3- actual full five films

[@Ryder-a-Blaze]

Lockdown shot of Ratchet’s leg? This entire time I thought it was Cemetery Wind

[@optisprimusproductions]

This is good on a “eating while watching” level. Just what I need after highschool’s finals. Great theories!

[@Theorymus]

Thanks!

[@juliegrine2875]

"How did you find us!" "Energon detectors son!"

[@SuperiorNova]

I like the video The Fire Brothers made call “Bumblebees biggest failure” where it explains using deleted scenes where Leadfoot died and where the Autobots where at

[@PoIarisPrime]

There's a reason it was scrapped and not included in the series

[@MonsterVerse_scientist-CnlDscr]

The Bayverse is much more interesting thanks to you, making perfect sense out of a Cinematic Universe that many judge saying "It has consistency errors everywhere, too many flaws in the plot and bad story that isn't even interesting"... I still loved the Bayverse in 2023 because of nostalgia and CGI scenes, but its explored lore and origin stories are making it cooler and cooler because of your videos, Thanks Theorymus!

[@giovonniiclayton]

The original live action saga is probably the most interesting part of the Franchise the problem was that the director and the writers didn’t take the films as seriously as the should have been because nobody taking their film seriously is going to leave out such a important scene of what happened in Mexico city and definitely won’t leave out what happened to sam witwicky

[@MonsterVerse_scientist-CnlDscr]

@@giovonniiclayton I personally think that those 5 movies are perfect as they are, if they were more grounded or realistic, then they would loose what makes the Bayverse unique and different from the other cinematic universes, the magic those movies have can't be replaced with anything, their flaws made them what they are and it's because of how weird and seemingly inconsistent the Bayverse is that i have and always will love it, in my opinion it was an absolute upgrade from the G1 Minecraft designs and childish story, i respect them though

[@PoIarisPrime]

The glazing is crazy theorymus cool fr but that's cap

[@giovonniiclayton]

@@MonsterVerse_scientist-CnlDscr it’s fine if you love them because I really care about the bayverse but they had so much potential especially 4 and 5 to be the best TF films and movies in general but because of the lazy execution of the story and the add on of unnecessary plot lines the bayverse got cancelled and basically ended on a cliffhanger and now we’re left with a reboot that has none of the charm and interesting plot lines the bayverse had

[@MonsterVerse_scientist-CnlDscr]

@@giovonniiclayton I see where you're coming from and unfortunately most cinematic universes' last episodes/movies are just there to farewell the series itself or to end the final supervillain, AOE exists because Hasbro wanted to produce new toys so Bay made AOE and then TLK, i personally like AOE and TLK but what's special about TLK is that it rivisited DOTM Sentinel's ship on the moon, the Egypt pyramid the Fallen used in ROTF, the Dinobots we saw in AOE, finally showed us who created Transformers after we saw in AOE what are they made of and Cybertron wich we only saw in 2007 and DOTM... TLK was there to finally end the Bayverse, that's why it doesn't really stand up well as a movie on its own, the others were making the story moving forward, the last was ending everything that was created in the past movies and showing us new things, it's a weird and messy universe but i love it because tried something cooler than G1 in my opinion

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

Because the plot needed it that way

[@Eradicator_MK666]

Plot is irrelevant

[@ryanbeach4372]

@@Eradicator_MK666exactly.

[@westernengine11]

44:24 the idea of getting of getting a text message on your phone from an alien robot and not automatically thinking it's someone trying to prank you is so funny to me, great vid btw!

[@Theorymus]

Thanks!

[@Achieme]

50:19 Thank you, I've been saying That Optimus never said "Sam run" it's like fans are ignoring that face that Optimus is in genuine physical pain. I looked through scripts and even used Captions to see if he actually said it. I believe it's like the Green needle/brainstorm or Laurel/Yanny situation why people thought of it he said Sam run. Not only that but that grunting sound had been used before like the other recycled sounds.

[@khumokwezimashapa2245]

Totally irrelevant, but that Yanny and Laural audio is nonsense. I didn't here neither of them and it still pissess me off to this day.

[@jurassicsnap747]

I am honestly surprised that in the bayvers the CIA had better luck hunting down all cybertronians then actual wanted people

[@lastprime10-11]

Great theory, but i feel like there are still many holes and gaps in the theory, but I also feel like some aspects hold up if viewed from a different perspective, like what if cemetery wind was created under a different name, and only changed so it would confuse the autobots, thus them being confused why they are getting shot at by the people they believed to be allies. Also if I remember correctly wasn’t lockdown already on a mission to get Optimus? Which would also add to why he was there on earth. But those are the only two “flaws” that I could see with the theory

[@johngolles342]

The autobot Decepticon war in the Bayverse can’t have been millions of years. When 19,000 years ago the fallen was still one of the primes before he got the nickname “the original Decepticon”

[@Legoartboy]

I remember I thought the guy in the cia office was Peter Cullen 😂😂😂

[@gachaofthegalaxy915]

Temu is under investigation by the U.S

[@kidztruthproductions]

Very nicely done video! I can tell you put a lot of love and effort into it and it's paid off! My personal headcannon for why Topspin has Leadfoot's head in TLK (other than the IRL reason of his orignal one not being rigged to talk in the first place, so swapping them was faster), is that it literally IS his head... let me elaborate. I imagine that when the Autobots split up before AOE The Wreckers stayed in a somewhat close proximity to one another for safety. When Leadfoot was attacked Topspin was closest to him, but he was still a little while away, with Roadbuster being even further. While Topspin wasn't able to get to Leadfoot in time to save him, he was able to take out the crew of Cemetery Wind soldiers that had wounded Leadfoot, but not without getting dammaged himself, having a rocket blow up in his face. As he blindly crawled over to his dying brother, Leadfoot demanded that he take his face to restore his vision and get himself out of there before reinforcements arrived (going by the logic of how starscream was able to reattach his own arm after it was broken off twice in ROTF, and how Megatron got a new body in ROTF and arm in DOTM), so begrudgingly Topspin obliged after Leadfoot shortly died. He then left the area, soon meeting Roadbuster as the two fled to Cuba. That's my timeline of events at least, and similarly it's also how I imagine Barricade got his new face too.

[@WyattDucar]

So essentially Order 66 but in bay-verse where both groups used to work each other before the other group turn on the former?

[@julianvillarreal1450]

8 months late, but nice video. It’s really sad that the Autobots were given the blame for the damage of Chicago after the war was over. But of course the traitor, Sentinel Prime’s line “On Cybertron, we were gods. And here, they call us machines. Let the humans serve us or perish. You’re lucky I didn’t kill you. In time, you’ll see” during the Washington DC invasion scene in Dark Of The Moon predicted the future of the humans killing the Transformers in Age Of Extinction. Honestly, Ironhide and Ratchet’s deaths were probably two of the most saddest deaths in the Bay verse. But keep up the amazing work.

[@davidproductions1974]

Bro is the matpat of transformers, and this is your fnaf theorys lol

[@Theorymus]

Haha 🤣

[@LordBumblebee1238]

Since Attinger has been with the CIA for 25 years and AOE takes place in 2018, that would mean Attinger began working for the CIA in 1993, the same year the original Jurassic Park film was released.

[@That1DinoBoi]

This theory is fairly decent in terms of being able to fill most of the plot holes. My only confusion is how bumblebee was able to find a 1967 Camaro to scan in Chicago

[@Theorymus]

I guess we could say When bumblebee escaped and subsequently drove into a habitable Part of chicago, He found the camaro And scanded while in his vehicle form

[@username_117]

love you theorymus , for all your efforts and hard work in keeping the transformers community alive

[@Theorymus]

Anytime 👍

[@mekagoji7442]

And the fact the Government and the President of the United States didn’t bother investigating Cemetery Wind, their association with Lockdown, and their crimes is stupidly insane

[@oompaCookie]

Growing up seeing ratchet play a important medic type of role to the auto bots,seeing him get slaughtered is still depressing to this day

[@Bumblebee0400]

Yeah, I knew that taking the Autobots to Chicago was risky, but I knew that there was no other choice if I was to get them all there safely, but unfortunately I ordered the Autobots to split up, because then it was the only way to get as many Autobots as possible safely to Monument Valley, and I regret that my decision caused some of the Autobots to perish, and the reason I was in charge was because Optimus wanted me to because I was the only Autobot present there who was on Earth the longest so I knew my way around Earth. Also I understand Drift not respecting me in Age of Extinction, the reason I lashed out at him was because I already felt guilty about the Autobots that were killed, Drift was making me feel worse about it. As for Crosshairs, he was just doing that in The Last Knight to be a jerk because he thinks he's better than everyone, there was a reason he was never in charge, I put Drift in charge before leaving to go England.

[@F7PRO37]

If it wasn't for semetary wind in Mexico lockdown would've probably died to optimus in a 1v1 especially how strong and armored dotm optimus was.

[@gojurathedynamo3]

Temu sounds like a Decepticon operation. Tempting but suspicious.

[@Operater_Silverhandman]

Look temu is a shitty app which like shien has allegedly been involved with active genocide in China and allegedly used forced labor ontop of that they allegedly have allegedly spied on customers and allegedly have really poor and shifty products and allegedly the KZbinr some ordinary gamers has a allegedly great breakdown of the alleged crimes

[@GavinFrisk]

Congrats on the subscribers. You deserve every bit of it. You're probably the only person who could make AoE make any sense.

[@PoIarisPrime]

Then you haven't watched the movie at all, I understood AOE perfectly

[@GavinFrisk]

@@PoIarisPrime I've watched the movie several times. I understand the movie, but I don't understand why so many stupid things were put into the movie.

[@PoIarisPrime]

@@GavinFrisk There may be some stupid scenes, but that has nothing to do with making sense so how

[@GavinFrisk]

A lot of the things in this video were not explained in any way before Theorymus made sense of it, hence why I said that he made more sense of the movie. I understand the general plot, but so much of it wasn't explained. And it also doesn't make sense that the designs suddenly changed completely, although I understand the real world explanation for that.

[@PoIarisPrime]

@@GavinFrisk don't get me wrong he makes good points majority of the time but aoe in it's own is easy to understand I legit watched that movie when I was 7

[@Mr.C_the_Artist]

50:18 Honestly i heard "Can't.... Run" and it could have been grunts, but it could have been both but i prefer the "Can't run" because look at him, he's literally near death's doorstep, he could Barely crawl away abd deploy his weapon

[@Iceman6611]

Even tho the bayverse is over and they are probably not make any more movies in the bayverse continuity it’s nice knowing the fact that sideswipe, Dino/ mirage, top spin and roadbuster are still alive and are somewhere in the world

[@ellorasg4525]

One crazy theory I like about why Sam was not there in the last two movies is the radiation theory. He died because of the radiation lol

[@isjsjwifkdna9611]

I'm sorry bro but Temu sponsorship has to go

[@lordcurze]

Yep. Literal scam site. I understand having to keep the water running and the lights working, but is that worth having to promote things that are shady, or unethical? I wouldn't say so.

[@jaydenmedina5533]

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[@ryanbeach4372]

I honestly don’t understand the hate with this movie. It’s personally my favorite of the transformers movies. It has everything I want in a transformers movie! For one thing all of the autobots in this movie all have personality and don’t get wasted unlike the previous cast of Autobot characters, the action is on point, the main villain is super cool and has everything that I want in a Transformers movie villain. I hope this comment can change the way people view this movie.

[@PoIarisPrime]

Besides AOE hate isn't really relevant anymore, also AOE is also my favorite one

[@yerriff8115]

The hate was mainly to do with the unfamiliarity resulting from all the changed designs/design language, and the completely new human cast. I think story and action wise, this movie was top 2 imo.

[@PoIarisPrime]

@@yerriff8115 That's not a valid reason to hate something anyways. The real hate was cause of scenes like the Tessa and shane law thing

[@giovonniiclayton]

The movie has good thing’s about it and it could have been the best transformers movie ever, but the reality is the writers and the director dropped the ball heavy there was a lot of plot holes that needed to be explained,some plot lines were unnecessary to the main plot and should have been scrapped. And another I want to add is that the writers and the director had a gold mine with this film but they lacked the care to really bring out the true potential of The Aoe story

[@giovonniiclayton]

@@yerriff8115 changing the human cast in itself wasn’t the problem it was how it was handled and executed and the design changes hurting the movie is debatable sense a lot of people in the fandom like them and the general audience didn’t care about the design changes generally speaking

[@SHADOWEMPERORB127]

About the sam being with Optimus thing, when he transforms and has his gun he says: “Sam get behind the-“ and it cuts off, it’s when he’s standing up during the scene, I can’t remember the exact time stamp, I’ve tried to find it again but I think they’ve removed that scene on Netflix, I remember watching it a week ago an noticing that line and screenshotted it. The fire brothers made some good AOE videos, 1 being about Bumblebee’s big mistake and the nuclear plant meetup. And his other video was about the hunt for cybertronians arg thing, idk what to calm it but it was basically about this site leading up to the release of AOE and how autobots and decepticons were being seen around the world and being reported

[@Kalmychill2]

Theory:since Harold wants to destroy all autobots they did make alliance lock down I think he used the drones or viruses to get info to find the autobots mostly since radio is electronic it can be hack mostly

[@thundergodmeech]

What I don’t understand is how Lockdown brutally injured Optimus even though Prime still contained the Matrix of Leadership in his chest. Not to mention why Lockdown never found out that Optimus Prime even had the Matrix within his chest in the first place. I’m very shocked that nobody realized why Prime was unkillable, the only Cybertronians I could thimk of that knew about the Matrix within Prime was the Autobots, Decepticons, & Sentinel Prime. Even if Prime did die in AOE, he could just regenerate the damage & his spark would basically be invincible. Without the Matrix, Prime wouldn’t have that ability to constantly heal himself despite all the mortal wounds he sustained after the events of ROTF. Also, why couldn’t Optimus just revive some of his fallen friends during the KSI ambush? I mean, the Matrix doesn’t just disappear forever after DOTM. It has the power of the primes & wields an energy like no other.

[@BlindFireTBOTB]

didnt lockdown took the transformers energon? like rachet? mayne thats why he can't

[@arnoldbass8709]

Will never get that answer but he really couldn’t use it on anyone besides Jazz

[@Alexgodofwar5662]

​@@arnoldbass8709what? Jazz spark is gone since megatron eat it off screen

[@arnoldbass8709]

@@Alexgodofwar5662 I forgot that happened but idk what typa power the matrix holds maybe it could bring it back idk 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@thundergodmeech]

What’s surprising is that TLK never acknowledged the Matrix in any part of the movie since the entire film felt like a nostalgia trip rather than an actual fifth movie. I hope we get a video explaining what happened to the Matrix of leadership after DOTM. Not to mention why prime couldn’t just revive his fallen friends during the Chicago war & in the 4th & 5th films.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

The same way Ness found The Cons I would think

[@Samuel_Loegan]

Finally its here 🥺. Also, I gotta give credit to some of the critics out there. Are the humans in AOE and TLK dumber than Patrick Star or something? Coz, they kill Autobots yet imprisoned Decepticons. I mean, imprisoned the Decepticons? Really?

[@giovonniiclayton]

The problem was the writers and director not really taking their live action trilogy seriously because the flaws just got worse using the same actors for different characters,creating plot holes like retconning the autobots first arrival,retconning cybertron etc, it’s obvious they just didn’t care and they payed the ultimate price getting the original live action saga canceled and rebooted with mediocrity

[@Samuel_Loegan]

@@giovonniiclayton yee. It's gotten worse from AOE to TLK. AOE is a guilty pleasure of mine, but even I know something is wrong 😆

[@bobross4449]

My theory is the Decepticons were captured by the TRF and by that point the rest of the Autobot who survived went to Cuba

[@s.r.a.d.p.l1571]

10:18 am I the only one who thought that dude looked like Walt Disney

[@TheTransformersFanChannel]

Another element I liked about the bayverse was the realism behind it and the mythology Ik this is about the Mexico City incident but still the events leading up to it are quite interesting

[@Theorymus]

Definitely, that's something I really wanted to dive into and i'm happy it came across well!

[@spotsquid45Drawings]

I really enjoyed watching the video, I loved the explanations for what happened during a foggy time in the bay verse. And to mention the ten autobots there were mentioned in the film to be alive due to evidence you shared, but what about the twins and jolt could they be alive as well or should we take the comics as fact?

[@Theorymus]

As for the twins, my head cannon is that they were killed by sentinel prime during the base attack off screen. As for jolt I take the comics explanation as canon

[@spotsquid45Drawings]

@@Theorymus I agree with that. Since it seems most logical.

[@InfiniX-wg1fc]

I like the fact he doesn’t know he promoted a app that’s known to have a form of spyware to take your credit card info

[@webev]

i still find it weird that decepticons were imprisoned but autobots were killed

[@LostStudios73]

I always prefer the shows and comics to bayverse ,but your videos make me enjoy bayverse way more. Keep up the good work!!!

[@Bakulife15]

39:20 I think that lockdown was brought to earth not only for the sake of prime, but also to "clean up the garbage", in the movie itself he is screaming that he is forever pinned I think that lockdown was brought to earth not only for the sake of prime, but also to "clean up the garbage", in the movie itself he is screaming that he always has to "Clean up after them," so I think that's one of the reasons why he came, and it ties in with the fact that, in theory, he's a messenger of the Quintesons, and one of his jobs is to clean up

[@sulaimaanazoor]

The timeline of the Transformers movies goes like this. 1) July 2007 - The Battle of Mission City takes place and Sam finishes his year of college. 2) August 2007 to September 2009 - NEST forms a partnership with the Autobots and they take down other remaining Decepticons looking for the Fallen. 3) September 2009 - Sam goes to university and the iconic Battle of Egypt takes place. The president makes the alien cooperation introduced. 4) October 2009 to September 2013 - Shockwave arrives and destroys the NEST base in Diego Garcia killing a few Autobots. The other Decepticons have hidden other pillars relating to the Space Pillars across the world. The Autobots worked around the world to stop global human threats. 5) September 2013 -Sam graduates from university and the iconic Chicago battle takes place. 6) October 2013 - Cementry Wind is formed from Harold Attinger. Two former NEST soldiers join Cementry Wind. Harold Attinger forms a partnership with Joshua Joyce the head of KSI. 7) November 2013 - December 2016 - The Autobots and Cementry Wind worked together to take down the surviving Decepticons. 8) May 2016 - The CIA director forms a partnership with Harold Attinger. 9) January 2017 - Cementry Wind betrays the Autobots and starts killing them. 10) March 2017 - Lockdown arrives on Earth. Lockdown also forms a partnership with Cementry Wind and KSI. 11) April 2018 - The Battle of Mexico City takes place. 12) May 2018 - Age of Extinction fight happens and the iconic Hong Kong battle takes place. 13) May 2022 - The Last Knight and the Battle of Stonehenge takes place.

[@BeamMonsterJam]

Literally one of the best theories i've seen, definitely worth the hour watch. Road to 1 Mill

[@Theorymus]

Thanks man, that realy means a lot 😎

[@raymenoodles]

28:05 wow I guess you learn something new every day

[@dylanmaniatakes]

to your point about the cards, remember the guy running the op could be considered transformist(racist) so he may of messed a few of the details up with names, and they are used to covering things up he probably had the cards printed before mexico city but when he had it planned. he didnt know for sure if prime would be taken out and didnt want it to be a loose end later just in case

[@alphama7072]

Lockdown's sliver bullets are what injured Ratchet so if you think James Savoy's rocket stopped Ratchet that is not from James that is from Lockdown you can see in 28:05 those are the sliver bullet Lockdown fired

[@arnoldbass8709]

Ya idk what kinda missles or bullets he has but his weapons are stronger then any other transformer that was on the bayfilms

[@ronaldjansky9671]

you know how great it would be if there was comics based on this theory, and also comics between aoe and tlk, and also comics about hystory

[@alexandergordon3432]

Very well done to you Theorymus, this was an absolute pleasure to watch. The best Bayverse youtuber!

[@gjeggi6760]

One video i would like to see is a video dedicated to humanity's evolution of tactics in taking down cybertronians.

[@marialopez-ql9ec]

Ok Theorymus, Ive been with your channel for a long time now, and have loved all of your videos. And now with this video being absolutely amazing, I can confidently and 100% say… You are my #1 Favorite Creator on the internet ❤ You truly are the most UNDERRATED KZbin channel to ever exist, and one who truly puts the right amount of effort into his content. Hope your someday you hit 1 million subs, heck you freaking DESERVE 1 million subscribers by now, hope you hit 100 MILLION someday in the near future, keep it up my Man 😎

[@agent_bumblebee]

I’ve been waiting for this video for a long time, and of course it didn’t disappoint

[@scourge_creations]

A 1 hour transformers theory video? Count me in!

[@TheAcrelicGem]

About temu, i got BB movie optimus prime for 16 dollars. the cheapist i could find him anywhere else is 40 dollars w/ no package

[@ernie9538]

I have found some fire ahh figures at Ross

[@killerzz226]

1 hour long? hell yea! Dope video 🐐

[@Theorymus]

Thanks 💯

[@natto4now]

The irony of them wanting to hunt down all transformers Turns out earth itself is one

[@averagegamingchannel6593]

Dude this is an amazing video and it felt very researched and professional aswell

[@ninjamasterbuilder8675]

Also @theorymus what if Attenger meant that the 5 decepticons you didn't mention were actually Drift, Crosshairs, Optimus, Hound, and Bumblebee since he has the narrative that the autobots are cons towards the government

[@OGLadiesman217]

I never would have thought about it like that, but that’s actually really smart.

[@joshuamathews1386]

You tackled everything in this video. Great job!

[@Theorymus]

Glad you liked it!

[@Indo-Fury6521]

​@@Theorymus Yeah it explains a lot about aoe though I wish we had prequel comics for aoe and TLK it would've save them from the hate it had

[@QcTreyWay22YT]

I would like to point out that when Attinger said “this is not their planet” that is false the transformers were on earth with the early humans. Transformers: Revenge of The Fallen hints at that. They were living simultaneously with humans before the 07 movie

[@bobross4449]

Then again Attinger was 100% a narracist, just listen to him either he didn’t know or just didn’t care

[@QcTreyWay22YT]

@@bobross4449 true

[@bad2dabohn1992]

1 thing I think we can all agree on is just how stupidly ridiculous the Government works in these movies. I get that thats the point sort of but still worth mentioning

[@ernie9538]

Not too far from the real government tbh

[@ghostavinci104]

I never forgive IDW publishing and Amazon for spoiling the early script of the 3rd movie.

[@directorforplastic7929]

This was a really great video and congratulations on your milestone! However i do have one contention and it’s that just because there isn’t an ❌ on Sideswipe, Dino, and Roadbuster’s cards doesn’t necessarily mean they’re alive. Like you said, some of cards may’ve been rushed and that’s why the wrong picture and name was given to “Garagebot”, the wrong location was given to Ironhide, and no ❌ on Leadfoot’s card. Idk, as much as like those 3 (especially Sideswipe) I just think the stakes aren’t as high if they’ve only been able to kill 2 autobots (especially when only 1 of them was killed before the movie starts). It makes the remaining 5 in AoE feel more like the underdogs that are on their asses. I feel like Topspin surviving is the one exception to Drift saying they were the last ones.

[@im_platinum4326]

If we're considering bumblebee and rise of the beasts canon, then it's safe to say dino hasn't died either due to his affiliation with GI JOE possibly at the time EDIT: it is unclear whether bbm and rotb are canon to bayverse or not so I could be wrong.

[@directorforplastic7929]

@@im_platinum4326I think for now it’s more likely that Bumblebee and RotB aren’t canon to the Bayverse. They contradict each other in too many ways

[@jaredpower1019]

Atleast it explains a lot that Optimus was the only autobot to go to Mexico City without the other autobots cause the kill cards

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

Wow a hour long video I can't wait to watch it all

[@Infi_nite]

If the “human calling cemetery wind and reporting ratchet” thing is real, I’d love to have a little chat with that human~

[@julz_swag]

0:19 ONLY 1,300 DEATHS?? nah there had to have been way more casualties just look at that city bro.

[@Theorymus]

That's what the film tells us, but I swear that their had to be way more

[@SmudgeAlot]

Maybe it's in confirmed deaths. Many of the decepticons weapon's completely destroy human bodies

[@cybergeek8410]

I know I'm late to this, but holy damn. Outstanding video as always and despite the run time you never feel it great due to the flow and pacing being really good. And congrats on your milestone man. Looking forward to what you make next.

[@Theorymus]

Thanks man, that really means a lot 😎👍

[@cybergeek8410]

@@Theorymus Wasn't expecting a response much less one so quick lol. You being an incredibly personable content creator with your audience is also super appreciated and probably a good reason you have done so well.

[@Theorymus]

I appreciate that man, A lot of times content creators forget that it's their audience that got them to where they are not the other way around, It's something I try to take to heart

[@FireFlies002]

I kinda like the idea of humans hunting down transformers. I just wish we got to see more of Galvatron.

[@zecke6958]

This was a GREAT theory but now i'm interested in how the TRF made its way through😂

[@DillonTrinhProductions]

Nice video as always Theorymus.

[@nothing_is_here8608]

the bayverse is so messed up that you were able to make a hole channel based on fixing it and your doing a really good job

[@PoIarisPrime]

Cap

[@vicchannel12222]

I really like this explication of what happened between TFDOTM and TFAOE, how did you put the Maximal patch on your jacket?

[@Theorymus]

It'd an iron on patch so you have to use an iron

[@vicchannel12222]

@@Theorymus ok

[@AURORAREVEALNOW]

And so, the Autobots did a massive organisation espionage.

[@kasmal2823]

Never thought about this. Complete legend for making this vid. Ashame Michael bay could've gone into some dialogue about this but instead he talks about the romeo and juliet law lol.

[@Soundwaveproductions8419]

I feel like AOE would’ve been so much better if they leaned into the darker tones of the movie like cemetery wind hunting and killing autobots . Plus a original script of the movie had autobots teaming up with decepticons showing how dark the times have gotten

[@bluebomb08]

not entirely sure Theorymus did his research on the sponsor. they've been known to collect data and are pretty controversial in terms of quality. so I'm not gonna berate him, and i can understand some of the reasons he would sponsor them, but not the best idea to take this sponsor.