Traxxas TRX4M Motor UPGRADES: NEW Injora Brushed Motors for BIG PERFORMANCE GAINS!

[@CapeCrawlers]

Timestamps Close look at the motors: 1:26 Baseline runs, stock gearing: 2:54 55T speed and crawling, stock gears: 4:50 48T speed and crawling, stock gears: 6:57 Baseline runs, crawler gears: 10:14 55T speed and crawling, crawler gears: 12:28 48T speed and crawling, crawler gears: 14:34 Final thoughts: 16:25

[@garymiles4230]

I bought the Holmes motors already a few weeks ago but comparing to the holmes is a good question

[@Sparroh]

I can’t thank you enough, comprehensive, positive, thorough and fun. These videos have helped so much.

[@paulmartinez4994]

48t crawler gear vs stock motor and crawler gear would of been what i wanted to see. Perfect video overall.

[@greggrube2948]

You're pick of the motors seem to be spot on, I thought the 48t was the way to go also. Awesome video Adam 👍😁

[@CapeCrawlers]

Thanks! That 48t made the choice easy. Great little motor

[@paolo8768]

16:40 very nice comparative! Thanks for your work!

[@bolt.22]

Need a tiny dyno to see how they all perform!

[@CapeCrawlers]

Yes!

[@KAarnagemAmolgada]

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[@tundrasr5709]

I'm more into performance than scale looks. I already had the crawler transmission when I watched your Bettle video, which prompted me to run my defender with no body. Huge improvement, so I ordered the Bettle chassis. After watching this video I ordered the pro motor. I would have liked to see the Bettle in that comparison. Thanks for another great video.

[@CapeCrawlers]

Thanks for watching! I like the bettle setup a lot. I haven't tried these motors in it, but the next time I tear it apart I will give it a go.

[@mikecraig426]

Great video and comparison, my friend. I always enjoy your videos and how comprehensive you are with all the technical aspects. I just installed the 47T purple can into my TRX4M bronco with the crawler gears and I love the added performance of the drag brake, additional speed and the massive increase in torque. Highly recommend either of the motor upgrades for the price to anyone into the hobby. Again, great video and keep the content coming, my friend.

[@CapeCrawlers]

Thanks Mike! That purple motor and crawler gear combo is excellent!

[@drivingwiththeboyz4552]

just orderd the purple motor after installing the crawler gears lol

[@chrish9502]

Does the new motor torque negate the crawler gears or do you still get that slow speed control?

[@mikecraig426]

@chrish9502 The torque of the motor doesn't negate the low speed control. The power delivery is very smooth and easy to control.

[@chrish9502]

@@mikecraig426 thank you. I don’t have a trx4m yet but I’d like a crawler that can still do trail duty!

[@Detour_RC]

Thanks for the awesome video and review. I was just looking at those two motors yesterday thinking about giving one a shot in my defender. Keep up the great work.

[@CapeCrawlers]

Glad it was helpful, thanks for watching!

[@jayroon]

Thank you for this review and comparison! I had the pro motor already in my Defender and I am going to install the crawler gears for better crawling performance! Thanks again!

[@bolt.22]

Injora also just released stainless steel low range transmission gears for the trx4m, good time to get both!

[@CapeCrawlers]

Yes!! I got two sets of the gears on order. So pumped

[@kennethrobinson9008]

48T & crawler gears changes the game! Nice review. Try the helical diff gears with 9% OD. Ups the game to another level.

[@fcukeround]

Where can you get them? I've been looking everywhere for od gears.

[@CapeCrawlers]

Thanks, and yes they did! I will try the gears for sure.

[@kennethrobinson9008]

@@fcukeround Injora. Helical stock, OD, UD, and 16% UD.

[@fcukeround]

@@kennethrobinson9008 thank you :)

[@Iskremfrpupy]

I think the Injora 48T is actually a little harder to control crawling than the stock motor because of the increased wheel speed available. I have crawl gears in both.

[@e.magic.7194]

What is crawl gear? Where i can buy it?

[@CapeCrawlers]

Low range gears. Here are my favorite: amzn.to/3T29ywz

[@e.magic.7194]

@@CapeCrawlers thanks!

[@alexandertaggart4369]

Hell yeah thanks again Adam I just ordered the pro right now!! I've been waiting for a good motor to come out for these things so I don't have to go and put a furitek system in mine..... For now lol

[@CapeCrawlers]

Right on! These motors and the crawl gears rival the brushless system, at least at low speeds. Bargain crawling gains right here.

[@Arturito2017]

It would be fun to see the pro motor with the speed gears

[@CapeCrawlers]

It would be wild!

[@Joercgarage]

Nice detailed comparison great video keep up the great content much appreciated 🙌🏻

[@CapeCrawlers]

Thanks for watching!

[@tynou6162]

I was looking to buy the 48T with the Low Range Transmission Gear Set and thanks to you I’m convinced! 😉👍🏽

[@CapeCrawlers]

It's the perfect combo in my opinion.

[@anmic3590]

Hi! Which ones of the low range gears will work perfectly for the Defender? I saw on amazon that there are 4 options. 40.3, 9.7, 16.6 and 24.4. Sorry, but I’m new to this and I’m trying to build a Defender from scratch, with injora parts. Also, may I ask what servo and esc will be the best? Maybe waterproof too. As for the axles, I’m thinking about the diamond ones (4M-92SRFR), but still not sure. I will take their universal chassis with battery plate and skid plate, the shafts (4M-50BK) and links (‎4M-20) also from injora, the 53 shocks. Any advice will help me a lot. Thank you so much!

[@Warloghe]

48T motor ordered, I wonder what the 48 is like with the speed gears in the overlander🤔

[@Oktourqerc]

Sweet new intro screen man content has been amazing lately👍

[@CapeCrawlers]

Thank you! I'm having a lot of fun with the content and learning a lot lately.

[@kendietz355]

I'm happy about these motors.

[@jtatkinson6825]

Thanks for doing this comparison. I've been on the fence about buying the purple motor and pulled the trigger after watching this. Bought the metal crawler gears as well.

[@CapeCrawlers]

I think you’ll love the combo!

[@xiuhdj]

great work putting both motors to the test! I think I need a bronco to join the defender and have a go fast rig and a climb hard rig

[@chaipani7189]

would you choose the 48t pro with crawler gears. or the Traxxas brushless ?

[@AdhDad327]

What esc mode were you running in this video?

[@Shaun0169]

Does this mount to the stock transmission without any modification? and how is the slow crawl capability with this motor?

[@jochenhog184]

Awesome! Thanks!! 🎉

[@ricklebel6298]

So have you ever paired this motor with the esc/receiver from a scx24?

[@Totallynotkaze]

Hello Adam! The video I’ve been browsing for ages on the lookout for! Finally did after resorting tot he cape crawlers channel :) I only have one question, can you explain me if it’s worth it for me to go brushless?

[@S5UPERCHARGED]

I'm definitely going to have to swap out my 87t Holmes hobbies motor. Especially since im waiting for my underdrive gears to arrive for the rear axle.

[@adventures3699]

Do you have a link for crawler gears??

[@Atlas_FPV]

The 55T looked smoother for crawling, is that just how it seems or is it smoother at low speed?

[@Atmotom1]

I thought that as well and wanted to know the same thing. I think I kinda liked the way the 55t looked crawling more. Gonna have to watch both the runs again a couple more times I think lol but I might be ordering the 55

[@jimkrug2586]

Loved the motor/gear comparisons. I currently run a Holmes Hobbies 66T/low range gear combo in all three of my TRX4M's. I'm very happy with that combo but would still like just a bit more wheel speed. I think I may have found just what I'm looking for!! Thanks.

[@CapeCrawlers]

I haven't tried the Holmes motors, but these certainly helped with wheel speed!

[@S5UPERCHARGED]

You could just run 3s. Voltage = rpm

[@BellaT-nu4vv]

the problem is the low level modulation of the esc with that thing. the best solution is still furitek

[@RCCrawlerz209]

What gears did you put into the Bronco?

[@junebugpetty7386]

What’s tires and rims are you running?

[@dylanfrost191]

Do you know if this would work on the traxxas two speed gearbox?

[@garymiles4230]

How do they compare with the Homes motors

[@CapeCrawlers]

I’ll try the Holmes motors to see how they stack up

[@cbix86]

48t looks perfect, such a shame they aren’t waterproof though 🙈 I’ve tried the 66t Holmes and it still lacks punch and high speed!

[@URsooomad8613]

Yea not being Waterproof really ruined them, Holmes Hobbies is definitely the way to go

[@petejones6827]

why would it not be waterproof? cause the board? you can just paint it with a waterproofing agent. all electric can motors can be submerged hell most people put them underwater and run them to break them in and wash out the bits from the brushes breaking in. if i remember right i did that to try it out on my fms k10 which i put the injora scx24 motor on and i ran it for a couple mins in a cup of water before i put it on and its still goin strong that was a couple years ago now

[@CrivRex]

A great part two for this video would be diff gears with these* motor combinations. Looking at alternatives right now to get my speed back up.

[@stefan-norge]

Great comparison, Adam. Everything one need to know on point 👍

[@CapeCrawlers]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ericcastaneda8797]

I like the 48 turn on the crawler gears.

[@CapeCrawlers]

Same here

[@RonBernardino]

Neat trail. Space out some rocks to make it look like real trail.

[@rustlervxl09]

Have you ever tried the 24.4:1 gears? Wondering if that would be the best combination of the 48t motor to get similar speed to stock gears with better control for crawling. Great videos!

[@byarfy]

Hi Adam. Stok motor + low gear or injora 48T + low gear for crawling at low speed and low speed control? I dont care top speed, i like realism and low speed control. Thanks for all awesome videos.

[@Atmotom1]

Do you have a video of all the upgrades you have on this rig? Like other than the motor and transmission obviously lol this video is greatly helpful tho

[@GeorgeLoch]

I just added the 48t motor and craw;er gears to my Bronco and found that it works great but is a lot louder. Did you see that change in yours?

[@rossg6362]

Wish they were waterproof

[@kaushalvyas5445]

Is the pro motor waterproof like stock one ?

[@CapeCrawlers]

Yes it is

[@Broomstickzzz]

Injora pro or big block motor with a crawler gears. Would love your advice. Thank you for the awesome videos and channel

[@CapeCrawlers]

I have not tried the big block on the Traxxas, but I have in the SCX24. It's a beast; very broad power with lots of top end. I can imagine you would get similar low speed torque to Injora Pro, but the big block would likely walk away from it at high speeds. I may have to try the big block myself to compare them!

[@Broomstickzzz]

@@CapeCrawlers awesome thank you for the help!

[@MRSOMEBODYRC]

I am curious if this motor will work on my wpl c24, stock gearing. I did purchase the injora 180 motor and will attempt to install and see what happens. There is no videos about such upgrade on WPL. might need to change polarities due to being revered rotation.

[@rodz017]

pretty cool info ...i was wondering if you can do a 48t , 55t VS. a 66t from Homles with crawler gears video .....kind of curious to see how well they compare

[@makoskid]

I'd like to see this test as well.

[@CapeCrawlers]

Yes, I can do this. Lots of folks have asked for it.

[@rodz017]

@Cape Crawlers Kool looking forward to the in depth video thanks 😊

[@Slozzy_RC]

After some weight on the defender, going over things and turning causes it not move anymore until the wheels are straight. Do I need a new motor? or ESC?

[@CapeCrawlers]

Probably a new motor. I've seen folks overload the esc as well. But I would try a motor upgrade first.

[@j2themen07]

What Brushed Hobbywing ESC would you rock with the pro motor and crawl gears, plus adding the 9% OD and 9% UD for the front and rear, any thoughts? Thanks in advance.. love your videos.

[@CapeCrawlers]

I am not real familiar with Hobbywing products, but I would probably go with the 1625 1/18 esc if it were me.

[@rodz017]

i run Hobbywing 1080 g2 with Homles 66t , crawler gears , INJORA Overdrive Alloy Steel Helical Gears front only , on 3s n she prefect got the bump speed n down low crawling to match ....everything is on defender is metal MAX OUT brass n aluminum etc with carbon fiber chassis LCG from MEUS

[@TheRustyPlace]

Do you think the 48T motor with crawl gears is fast enough for trailwalking? I most want to take it on hikes, but occasionally do some crawls when I find good spots on the trail.

[@CapeCrawlers]

No I don’t think so. It’s still awfully slow

[@LostFozz_OverLand]

I have an interesting question what do these effect the run time?

[@CapeCrawlers]

I’ve found they negatively impact run time but not terribly

[@LostFozz_OverLand]

@@CapeCrawlers what have you found to be good for battery upgrades? Are you on Instagram I’d love to chat some more!

[@darkcloud4368]

Did you figure out a solution for the rear body clip on the Injora chassis? Didn't see body moving much when it was crawling.

[@CapeCrawlers]

I swapped the chassis onto my sons defender. It works perfectly on that rig. I could not get it to work on the bronco.

[@darkcloud4368]

@@CapeCrawlers took a dremel and some hot glue to the body and now it works. Cut the front cross brace of the body.

[@TheLilhulk1111]

Looks like the Trx4m gets caught up on everything

[@rigomartinez6678]

Did you have to adjust throttle trim for the pro motor? Just got mine had to

[@CapeCrawlers]

I did not on either of mine

[@martinwinterman3891]

Were these the stock crawler gearings from Traxxas?

[@CapeCrawlers]

Yes. During the time of recording those were all that were available. I've since got Injora and Meus steel crawler gears in my M's.

[@martinwinterman3891]

Can i ask wich transmission i need from injora to the same crawler gearing as ingaven now from Traxxas? I geuss the underdrive but i’m not sure.

[@jonathanmcdonald5411]

Awesome video. I think the 48t pro motor with the crawler gears is the way to go. Were you able to use the pinion that comes on the injora motor, with the crawler gears? Keep makin these great videos, and run those rigs.

[@pseudo8009]

What are the shocks you run on your bronco

[@CapeCrawlers]

They are the new Injora oil filled shocks: amzn.to/3GphqkK

[@beng.6417]

Have the purple one with crawler gears. They are super loud. Is that normal?

[@CapeCrawlers]

Yes, they are noisy!

[@ellisb1451]

Have you tried a better TQI remote?

[@CapeCrawlers]

I have not. I should though

[@BigDsRc517]

Excellent video!!

[@CapeCrawlers]

Glad you liked it!

[@mpampis_o_fou2027]

excellent and informative video,how is the black traxxas servo compare to others?because it is waterproof!

[@CapeCrawlers]

Thanks! The servo is comparable to stock in terms of speed and strength, slightly better in both categories but weaker compared to higher end alternatives like NSDRC or even the Injora servos.

[@mpampis_o_fou2027]

@@CapeCrawlers thank you!

[@keith6360]

What a great comparison! Thank you for this. Im wondering how fast does it drain the battery with the new motor? I imagine it drains it much faster?

[@CapeCrawlers]

Thanks for watching! I have not noticed a significant drop in battery life. My son and I both get multiple sessions out of the trucks without the battery dying

[@tymega7680]

These motors are just plug and play?

[@dustonc1]

1/10th rig cost, double performance? Take my money! Thanks for doing the research :)

[@brandontenner7006]

What crawler gears were you using in this test?

[@CapeCrawlers]

The traxxas brand

[@brandontenner7006]

@Cape Crawlers in your opinion are they as good or better than the Injora crawler gears?

[@boiledtea479]

ive got the purple one for the scx 24 nd i really like it. waaay more low speed control and with a lowwer gear ratio it would be waaaay smoother. defo a future projekt

[@CapeCrawlers]

I've got the pro motor in some SCX24's and really like it also. Tons of power!

[@boiledtea479]

@@CapeCrawlers yes!!!

[@wingnutbert9685]

@@CapeCrawlers I was just thinking to ask if this 180 size fits in an scx24. So just to be clear, you are talking about this pro size, not the smaller 050 scx24 size pro?

[@hypnoticpenguin666]

Love to see the speed gears with 48t

[@CapeCrawlers]

Oh man, that would be a missile!

[@klaboemlol]

Any chance we get to see these against the Holmes 66t?

[@CapeCrawlers]

Yes I’d be happy to do that

[@jthiemeyer]

What tires are on the Bronco?

[@CapeCrawlers]

LGRP grippers. Love them!

[@junebugpetty7386]

What rims?

[@LARANUD]

Do you think I should try these motors first and then maybe doing the furitek brushless conversion?

[@CapeCrawlers]

Yes absolutely

[@kenrodriguez9645]

No bearing kits right? You’re on bushings for both rigs, I believe.

[@CapeCrawlers]

The bronco is all bearings. The Defender has bearings in the axles.

[@ryand4786]

Great video , I just received my metal driveshafts from injora . They’re $22 for both , or $87 from Traxxas here in Canada , gives me a little more weight down low and eliminates the oring problem. Now I have the injora motor on order 👍

[@CapeCrawlers]

I love those driveshafts. And thank you!

[@wingnutbert9685]

Love to see you try to fit one of these in an scx24! Has axial or any after market company come out with either a two speed or a slow creep gear box for the scx24? The whole number of turns as relating to torque vs speed makes my dyslexic brain melt down! LOL! Thanks!

[@CapeCrawlers]

The closest I've seen to a reduction gearbox is the Hot racing unit, but that only overdrives the front and leaves the rear stock. I would love to see someone put some serious R&D into the gearbox of the scx24.

[@wingnutbert9685]

@@CapeCrawlers Hopefully the success of FCX and now Traxxas with spur Axial to get off their backsides and get with the program. I think they kinda blew it with the AX, from the looks of it. More or less just a rejigging of the SCX24 with a cage. That kind of boardroom/accounting dept. approach is gonna get them kicked to the curb.

[@jeremychin3076]

Can the 48 turn fit in the scx24?

[@CapeCrawlers]

With some modifications probably!

[@xiuhdj]

have you experienced any serious torque twist?

[@CapeCrawlers]

In the defender yes, not so much in the bronco

[@Dirtbikesforlife13]

Is the Injora 180 motors waterproof

[@CapeCrawlers]

No they are not

[@porsche550s]

That bronco body is beautiful. Custom paint or did you purchase from somewhere?

[@CapeCrawlers]

It's the cyber orange optional body from Traxxas. I scooped it up at my local shop!

[@andreasbitsch7229]

I prefer the furitek stinger

[@CapeCrawlers]

Me too, but you're 10X the cost to go that route.

[@sebas888888]

Careful with your wording on the video title or traxxas will have your channel closed! 😢 Anyway love your content for mini trucks. Peace , may the torque be with you

[@CapeCrawlers]

Thanks! I'm prepared to deal with Traxxas if they come knocking.

[@jaylivengood2697]

Wonder if they have more power than the Mofo big block brushed. Would you have any insight?

[@CapeCrawlers]

I do not think they do. I’ve had the Mofo in our scx24’s and it felt much more powerful

[@IPS0125]

Which one did you like better with the stock gearing though? If you could only pick one and the slow crawl is your priority.

[@CapeCrawlers]

I think the 55t on stock gearing. Good blend of smoothness and speed. We left that in my sons defender and would have made that choice even if the pro motor wasn't claimed by myself

[@nandosss]

So... what is better? Stock motor w/high gear or Injora motor w/stock gear? Nice vídeo!

[@CapeCrawlers]

Depends on what you want. The stock motor with speed gears is still faster than these motors on stock gears. So if you want speed, that gear set is where it’s at

[@LARANUD]

I was about to get this motor, but I figure out it’s not waterproof.

[@allynj2272]

How do these motors affect battery life?

[@CapeCrawlers]

To be determined. I know in the scx24 they significantly shortened battery life. I’ll report back after some more time on them

[@abeservellon1860]

I know the stock motor is advertised as being water-proof. Are these motors water-proof?

[@CapeCrawlers]

These are not waterproof

[@me-rn7jx]

has anybody released an upgraded motor for the fms stuff? im pretty sure they all use the same motor except the fcx i just want somthing with more top end lol

[@CapeCrawlers]

The high speed motor for the FCX24 from FMS is ridiculously fast. I mean bonkers fast.

[@me-rn7jx]

@@CapeCrawlersbut no motor for their larger models darn :/ unless the fcx24 transmission fits in the 1/18th frame rails 😂

[@dhrider4895]

Is it waterproof or not? People seems to say no, but injora say yes. Very confusing

[@CapeCrawlers]

Injora when these first came out specifically said they were not water proof. I haven’t tested it personally, but I would be surprised if they weren’t

[@rcglock9608]

I would love to see traxxas come out with a 3s lipo and esc combo then we could use stock motor and low gearing to get more speed but still have the low end control just the 10th scale rigs vi would jump on that

[@CapeCrawlers]

That would be awesome

[@S5UPERCHARGED]

I run a furitek esc with my brushed Holmes hobbies motor on 3s. Obviously you need a transmitter and receiver if you replace the traxxas 2 in one junk

[@andrewjackson1380]

Is that just the stock traxxas yellow body

[@CapeCrawlers]

It's the optional cyber orange body that Traxxas sells

[@SkyVenomMC]

man the banana bronco is sick

[@CapeCrawlers]

haha thanks!

[@LARANUD]

What is the speed difference against the 48t with the crawler gears and stock motor with stock gears

[@CapeCrawlers]

The stock setup is still faster by ~20% I would say

[@SYST3M_OVERIDE]

Lower turns actually means less torque. With how heavy mine is now I need all the torque I can get.

[@CapeCrawlers]

It's interesting because the 48t definitely seems torquier. That launch during the speed comparisons when my son was driving shows how quick that thing gets off the line!

[@RCHOBBIESPR]

Great video

[@CapeCrawlers]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@claudebaron9334]

Seems to me, it would be very much beneficiary to have less wheels spins, and if it could be more slow but way more precise controls, to eliminate those nervous spams that happens from time to times especially in the early beginning your touching the trigger the more gently possible…!!! But still ! It keeps jumpy nervous twitch looking like bad habits.

[@daviddeleon7850]

Nice 👍