Not much of a comparison - I must say. More like side to side reviews of 2 bikes. Would be nice if you could let a few testers ride both bikes on the same course and then compare their aggregated ratings of both bikes on some key qualities (stiffness, compliance, sprinting, descending, etc). That would be a fair (fairer) head to head comparison. Just sayin
@Thomas-fy9yc2 жыл бұрын
I agree, worthless “review”. A true test would at least ride the bike with the same wheelsets and tires, and a least a couple riders to get a true comparisons. I think most of us want to know stability on downhills, cornering predictability, frame features, frame weight, vibration dampening, and comfort for long rides. Obviously one is going to be better in those regards.
@niceguy17742 жыл бұрын
Amen!
@molfar90493 жыл бұрын
Emonda all day long!
@monkmchorning2 жыл бұрын
16 years ago, when Trek introduced the first post-Lance Madones, I told our district manager they needed an H1.5 cockpit. The 2-3cm gap from H1 to H2 was just too much. So I'm glad they finally brought H1.5 to the Emonda SL range.
@Madtriboy3 жыл бұрын
Hopeless review. Never really did any head on comparison. Just words. Don’t waste time really won’t help you decide between these two bikes
@divinemercy70362 жыл бұрын
To make this a worthwhile comparison you must compare the tarmac with the trek SLR models
@ebigarella3 жыл бұрын
The best between these two is cleary the Giant TCR.
@gurugamer86323 жыл бұрын
Chinese brand no way 😅
@minhxluong3 жыл бұрын
@@gurugamer8632 Giant makes Treks Bike. Same with Specialized, are made by Taiwanese companies. “Chinese companies”. :)
@richarddonovan80163 жыл бұрын
no way is a cheap ass brand better than these two 😂😂😂
@gurugamer86323 жыл бұрын
@@minhxluong Specialised Tarmac SL7 best.
@gurugamer86323 жыл бұрын
@@richarddonovan8016 100%
@bart10010013 жыл бұрын
Totally useless comparison.
@victor11022 жыл бұрын
Can't agree more, a totally waste of time.
@bigdiesel69122 жыл бұрын
why
@pcdude23943 жыл бұрын
Best rider makes the bike performs the best. That’s the bottom line
@chrisgilligan49683 жыл бұрын
So you got essentially an entry level Emonda and a top of the range SL7...other than looks what are we supposed to be comparing the bikes on? That's a huge difference in the weight of the frames for the Emonda between the lower frames and upper. Most manufacturers the gap is more like the specialized where you gain 150 g give or take. 700g difference in frame weight and that doesn't include the fork seems like it is done on purpose to discourage enthusiasts from buying the lower tier bikes. Like the heavier frame is literally double the weight of their lighter frame - that's ridiculous.
@biketrybe70713 жыл бұрын
Why title a comparison video "Which one is best?" if you do not offer an educated opinion about which one is best?
@parthmache47333 жыл бұрын
It just sponsored product placement
@Raven57632 жыл бұрын
Nice review. I have been considering both of these models for my next bike. I have learned two things. The Tarmac is longer and lower so will be a little more stable and easy handling at higher speeds. Also, i ran accross some bike aero data done in the uk that ranked the bikes with riders. The graph correlated closely to stack-reach ratio, meaning reducing the cyclist's frontal cross sectional area was the biggest aero benefit. The Tarmac is a little faster if you are flexible enough to be comfortable with the rider position. I'm a current Trek owner and may go Emonda because it is a tad more upright.
@bnzboy3 жыл бұрын
Depends if you went to the washroom in the morning or not
@Kac37243 жыл бұрын
The Bike industry needs to actually review bikes instead of rating everything supplied as great. There isn’t enough actual independent testing that goes on. (From an SL7 owner)
@roadcc3 жыл бұрын
We review hundreds of products a year and yes some of them aren't very good but it is rare that a bike comes in which is completely trash. Especially in this case where we are looking at two top end bikes but I do get your point
@Kac37243 жыл бұрын
@@roadcc Apologies if I sound negative. Just that most reviews from all companies are 4 or 5 out of 5. In addition I’d like to hear constructive criticism as this is what we look for when deciding to buy or not to buy. I understand nobody wants to fall out of favour with the bigger manufacturers but it’s the way I believe bike journalism should be. It also stops Joe public from just accepting anything a bike company offers. Id like to hear road.Cc or bike radar views on a bike not the marketing blurb that often gets commented on.
@stanislavkindiakov63343 жыл бұрын
Which one to choose? Just listen to your heart. After all the aesthetics is the main quality of bike riding.
@WerdnaLiten3 жыл бұрын
Whichever can take the widest tyres.....we don't all have nicely surfaced roads....
@andrzejzielinski4193 жыл бұрын
Trek Superfly - 2,25"
@londonlionel3 жыл бұрын
Anyone can compare specs. This video leaves us none the wiser.
@DittersGustav Жыл бұрын
"There should be something, no matter whats your budget" my budget: 300 bucks 😂
@briansteele27233 жыл бұрын
I ride a Willier zero slr and tried my friends Emonda slr6. Different levels of rigidlty i suppose but the Willier feels so much more responsive than that or the colnago v3rs
@markmark2469 Жыл бұрын
I have the Emonda SL7 Ultegra and absolutely love the bike. Might have to splurge and get the SLR.
@costasmandylor15653 жыл бұрын
I can already tell you the drawbacks to all of them...their ridiculous price tags!!!
@stanislavkindiakov63343 жыл бұрын
3000 for a base model isn‘t that bad
@parthmache47333 жыл бұрын
90% of the time same old trek, specialized and canyon. Give us a break, other than sponsored crap viewers can look pastvit. Make some good content for a change.
@paulwilliams95353 жыл бұрын
Strange test on totally different priced models.
@joelyons8863 жыл бұрын
chalk n cheese! when even the group set is different let alone the wheels and frame! eek sorry but a waste of time. I rode both before making my mind up, I went for SL7 S-Works Dura-Ace but swapped out the chainset to UFO Chain, Ceramic Speed OSPWS and BB The reason for my choice was simply one of comfort and riding technique, the SL7 suited me better and that at the end of the day for me was the driving factor and reason as both by the time one was finished were coming in at the 12-13k mark eek (My wife does not know!)
@coreystpeter51236 ай бұрын
aero enhanced for the mountains vs aero enhanced for the flats? How does wind and drag know one is going up hill or going on the flat? Is the trek's geometry and stiffer parts of the frames different; one for hills and one for all around? Is that what is being said here?
@youngson60052 жыл бұрын
out of the trek and specialized. I chose Trifox, better then both combined and 1/4 the price.
@ArteUltra11952 жыл бұрын
It might be fine value, but don’t be delusional
@PatrickLino3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid! Are weight claims typically just the frame by itself, meaning without seatpost and handlebars?
@PatrickLino3 жыл бұрын
@@alainzhang5166 Thanks Alain!!
@wjeurs3 жыл бұрын
@@alainzhang5166 how about bearings, derailleur hangers, cable guide tubes, seatpost clamp?
@gregoryvassilakos99723 жыл бұрын
I considered the Trek Emonda, the Specialized Tarmac, and the Giant TCR. I bought the Emonda because it has the prettiest paint job. Just kidding! The Emonda does have the prettiest paint job, but I actually bought it because my local independent bike shop, which is a dealer for Specialized and Giant, has not received any new bikes for months and did not know when a Tarmac or TCR might be available. The local Trek store had both a 2020 and a 2021 Emonda available in my size. I brought my 1994 Trek 2200 to the store and asked them to match the handlebar and seat position. The could not do so with the 2020 Emonda, which has Trek's H2 fit. The mechanic estimated the handlebars would be 3 cm higher. The 2021 Emonda has Treks H1.5 fit and could match the position of my 2200. Even though it was heavily discounted, I was happy to find a solid reason not to buy the 2020 Emonda so that I could avoid the dreaded BB90 bottom bracket. Both the Emonda and the Tarmac now have threaded bottom brackets. The TCR has a press-fit bottom bracket, but Giant claims to have few problems with their bottom brackets due to tighter tolerances.
@IamCredit3 жыл бұрын
I hate comparison reviews where the author doesn't pick a winner. 0/10
@roadcc3 жыл бұрын
I hate comments that aren't constructive so you score well on that front but I feel like your marking is a little harsh. 4/10 😂
@paulysci9253 жыл бұрын
Varmac vs. Madone-Lite 😉😁👍👌
@tccycling3 жыл бұрын
The weight of the Trek frame you quoted (under 700gm) is the unpainted weight. The SL7 frame weight is for a painted frame. Great job spreading mis-information.
@jeanm2893 жыл бұрын
Yeh i was about to say this, take the paint job out of the sl7 and its the same weight as the SLR, dumb idiots they are
@JogBird3 жыл бұрын
the emonda weighs as much as most gravel bikes, aside the $12k model
@rajeshkannan_s3 жыл бұрын
My Emonda Sl7 weighs 7.75Kgs, not sure about your claim though.
@JogBird3 жыл бұрын
@@rajeshkannan_s yea, there are gravel bikes that weigh that or less, like the cervelo.. my 2016 emonda slr weighs a bit over 6 kgs w AL wheels
@UltimateTuner103 жыл бұрын
@@JogBird sounds about right for a non aero bike. Unless you’re near elite level rider, the aero advantage wins over some weight.
@scottanderson41752 жыл бұрын
I had a Tarmac and loved it now I have the Emonda and love it 😐
@benedictluongo31003 жыл бұрын
But is the Giant TCR better than both?
@frederickstaana12693 жыл бұрын
alot cheaper.. quality may be on par..
@benedictluongo31003 жыл бұрын
@@frederickstaana1269 quality definitely on par and probably superior (they build the frames in-house as opposed to outsourcing). Performance-wise the differences are likely small...
@jbaairways27633 жыл бұрын
I have a TCR the best decision I’ve ever made.
@paulysci9253 жыл бұрын
@@jbaairways2763 I do too I really enjoy it but I still want a sworks sl7 lol the idea of a carbon disc bike with bsa and an adjustable seat post is the kicker for me because I've experienced the isp cracking and I had to replace the whole frame. If I was more well off I'd buy the sl7 hands down but until then I'm satisfied with my SL0 disc because it's so close in geometry and the warranty replaces the frame with down time for shipping and swapping should the isp crack again. I guess that's what I see as the 4k difference in price is the bsa, seatpost, and I guess integration if people want to be fussy but I don't care about wires showing.
@sadlfjasdfacv3 жыл бұрын
For that price difference, you could by trek Emonda's for half your team.
@stanislavkindiakov63343 жыл бұрын
Or buy new Emonda every year :)
@bossg28173 жыл бұрын
Bring back rim brake emonda
@chisparo3 жыл бұрын
Giant TCR is best
@giovannidagostino14022 жыл бұрын
would you kindly do a comparison of the SL7 Sworks vs the Wilier Filante SLR, I believe those are the most similar bikes in terms of aerodinamics/weight as one.
@superstrada68472 жыл бұрын
I have the TREK Emonda SLR (the previous generation w rim brakes). It is amazing; Super light weight, exciting to ride and climbs like magic. It's like driving a Ferrari, you better know how! I have the new S-Works Tarmac SL7. It is sublime to ride in every way. It's like driving a Bugatti, a magic carpet speedster. Sad though as it's on recall, very concerned and let down by the company.
@YesItsKevin3 жыл бұрын
i mean dude wtf this isn't even fair. you have the mid-tier trek vs the top of the line specialized...
@raleighkellyc93752 жыл бұрын
oh yeah so why is my Cannondale super six evo scram red/2013 liter than my new trek 2022 madone slr7
@andyjame6351 Жыл бұрын
I’m enjoying the bike so far kzbin.infoUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA My only real complaints are the brakes and the pedals. I feel like a bike designed for bigger people should have much larger pedals and more heavy duty brakes. I’ve only gotten two really good rides out of it, minimal downhill action, and the brakes feel like they’re already going out. A larger person has more momentum, so I think this wasn’t thought through very well. Also, I wear size 13-14 wide shoes. My feet cramp up on these pedals that are clearly made for smaller feet. Since I’m not a pro rider (and I don’t think many are who purchase this bike) I don’t think that the straps on the pedal are necessary at all. None of this takes away from the enjoyment I get from riding, however. I’ll just head to a bike shop to improve on a few things.
@littlevo9 Жыл бұрын
SL7 is the best allrounder in the world he is fast vert very fast !!
@aleksandr98172 жыл бұрын
What colour is Tarmac on this video?
@fernandoespinosa34033 жыл бұрын
I found no useful information here.
@errikoespinoza21332 жыл бұрын
Canyon ultimate cf sl is better than both ?
@robertpiche43723 жыл бұрын
Compare a r 12 specialized with sl7 500 trek is not the same
@garypostell52683 жыл бұрын
Trek 💯👍
@raleighkellyc93752 жыл бұрын
copying the/SLR TAG frm trek .why can't specialized use their own tag line
@blizzbee3 жыл бұрын
And the winner goes to... TCR !
@wasupwitdat1mofiki943 жыл бұрын
I know these companies are paying you reviewers to post these videos but don't you think your audience deserves better? There's more to cycling than expensive bikes that 99% of your viewers will never be able to ride.
@parthmache47333 жыл бұрын
Yeah totally absolutely tired of this content
@UltimateTuner103 жыл бұрын
Maybe they don’t want to discuss commuting and fenders as a channel. Would you get mad about a car reviewer discussing a Ferrari you can’t afford either? 🤦🏼♂️
@parthmache47333 жыл бұрын
@@UltimateTuner10 Yeah but you are basing your argument that these cycles are Ferrari's.you are comparing lemons and peaches here. Don't be so patronizing in your comments. one in ones sound mind would know what penny's worth of engineering a cycle has.
@UltimateTuner103 жыл бұрын
@@parthmache4733 if you’re tired of the content then watch something else instead of bitching about bikes you can’t afford
@parthmache47333 жыл бұрын
@@UltimateTuner10 who told you i cannot afford these bikes. and about bitching comment section is for everyone. stop bitching about others bitching
@hankschrader23533 жыл бұрын
What are These purple Shoes tho
@romanrubaj37073 жыл бұрын
This comparison is ambaracing 3k bike vs 0ver 11k? Are you out of your mind?
@michaelsingh8433 жыл бұрын
How much of a difference does the integrated handle bar have over the standard 🤔
@yonglingng56402 жыл бұрын
Main difference is just the aesthetics. I'm not a fan of them.
@bigdiesel69122 жыл бұрын
notice they not dare compare put the specialize against trek madone.bc madone rules baby
@crdbriz87463 жыл бұрын
I wonder who has the most stage wins in Grand Tours?
@appala3 жыл бұрын
in reality, who ever has the biggest marketing budget. Its almost natural when you have a good portion of peloton riding the same bike.
@kconnnnn2 жыл бұрын
@@appala whoever has the biggest marketing budget usually has the biggest R&D budget
@MrSmoothasf3 жыл бұрын
Did you actually weight both of them? I'd bet the emonda is the claimed weight and the spesh is way off.
@roadcc3 жыл бұрын
We weigh every bike that comes into the office. The Trek was 8.23kg for a size 56cm and the Spesh is 6.85kg for a size 56cm
@henryangus69343 жыл бұрын
An earlier comment by another reader was spot on, comparing a mid level Emonda (8.23kg) to a top level Tarmac (6.85kg) is misleading. As a frame of reference, my 2015 Emonda SLR with Ultegra components weighs 6.8kg, a huge difference from 8.23kg and I’m sure handles very differently as well.
@Disquez3 жыл бұрын
Trek👍🏻
@paulwebster4499 Жыл бұрын
Stu your saddle is to high
@ccmp233 жыл бұрын
What a cop out video...
@MaxRothFitness3 жыл бұрын
Emonda gg
@englishdecorator Жыл бұрын
Could do better 3/10
@hansschotterradler37723 жыл бұрын
I see so many people ride around on aero madones while holding the bars at the brake hoods
@laury213 жыл бұрын
What’s wrong with that? You know it’s actually the most aero position on the bike, right? With bent elbows ofcourse
@hansschotterradler37723 жыл бұрын
@@laury21 I should have said " while holding the bars at the brake hoods with the arms stretched out", or "in an upright position"
@jrap1703 жыл бұрын
Screech!
@MRkingSaLeH3 жыл бұрын
1442 Gram = 1.4 KG One kilo bike come on man What is he saying bro 😂
@Scott_Bishell3 жыл бұрын
Shitest comparison ever
@robertfeather6103 жыл бұрын
So boring. Speak faster
@roadcc3 жыл бұрын
😂 If you're going to throw shade then please make comments funny so we can have a laugh