"Shimerman's attempt" 1 ep in TNG, compared to 7 solid years on DS9... I think its safe to say he was successful.
@DerBeppone3 жыл бұрын
It's funny, how DS9 constantly took concepts, that were briefly breezed upon in TNG and flesh them out to a rich and living universe! But I guess, that's the difference between Starships, that basically just briefly breezes by and a space station, that actually have to see the consequences of their circumstances and actions.
@fonkbadonk29573 жыл бұрын
Quark, Garak and Dukat are still very firmly in the top ranks of my ten best written and acted characters of all times in any show.
@nickllama52963 жыл бұрын
I think the Ferengis awful portrayal in the Last Outpost G was also the fault of the director who let them go waaaay too overboard without realizing that this just made them a joke rather than a menace. Something kinda similar happened in Babylon 5 when Vir was introduced. In his first episode, Vir is a bumbling clown who is essentially incapable of anything. That got toned down quick, and he became the awesome character he was. I imagine it was similar in Star Trek with the Ferengi.
@TK26923 жыл бұрын
I was just about to say this, but you beat me to it and you said it better than I could have.
@sitizenkanemusic3 жыл бұрын
Armin Shimerman WAS DS9 in my opinion. Just as Jeri Ryan WAS Voyager. The writing was just better when those two characters were featured as main characters in their respective shows.
@ryanatorryanson95353 жыл бұрын
I remember Frakes saying he didn’t understand exactly what they were planning with that “Enterprise” finale, and he felt really bad for the cast, especially Scott Bacula.
@mwg5003 жыл бұрын
I wonder if he or Mrs. Sirtis had any issues cashing their paychecks for doing the episode. They and Mr. Berman only seemed to decide they "regret" the episode after fans rejected it. I know one of the books has tried to explain it, but it needs to be retconned on-screen with Riker apologizing to Picard for using incorrect history in "The Pegasus". Then TATV needs to be deleted from all streaming services and disavowed as strongly as Lucas disavows the SW Holiday Special.
@ryanatorryanson95353 жыл бұрын
@@mwg500 Who knows? Really no way to tell how truthful he’s being or not.
@quarf532063 жыл бұрын
they didnt think it would be the finale
@nomore61673 жыл бұрын
@@mwg500 So your opinion is that they should do the work as contracted and then refuse to accept payment for their services on the basis that they didn't like the work?
@EricA-xd9fn3 жыл бұрын
@@nomore6167 If Jonathan Frakes had said "This plot is BS", maybe somebody taps the brakes. He probably had the stature to influence the plot direction. But maybe he was happy to be getting a paycheck, so he clammed up.
@Interitus13 жыл бұрын
In my mind, Riker only used the holodeck for that single episode. The problem is, they had never shown the chef at all. This gives plausibility to all those times the cast mentions him, it means they were in fact talking about Riker and that the whole series was just a holodeck simulation. And you have to hand it to Armin Shimmerman, he really cares about the Ferengi.
@sarahkinsey54343 жыл бұрын
I remember watching a DS9 segment of DS9 and Shimmerman said that the Ferengi weren't the handsomest race in Star Trek and the whole audience disagreed
@antonnurwald57003 жыл бұрын
I love it when actors care that much. He really did a fantastic job.
@virginiaconnor83502 жыл бұрын
I was happier when T'Pol gave a Ferengi a VNP in 'Acquisitions'!
@dasborke2 жыл бұрын
Enterprise is actually set in the TNG era, and was an attempt by Data to write 'Historical Fiction' Holo-novels. You can't convince me otherwise.
@KitsuneAdorable Жыл бұрын
Regarding River, yes your correct. He only used it once, it’s connected to the TNG episode The Pegasus. He used the program to figure out what to say to Cpt Pichard regarding the phase cloak tech.
@ashes2ashesuk3 жыл бұрын
I love the fact that Code of Honour is currently being used by Netflix as the trailer that auto plays when Star Trek: TNG is selected
@wordyblerd77233 жыл бұрын
oh no oh no oh no no no no no
@GregorBarclay3 жыл бұрын
oh good god why...
@carlknight22513 жыл бұрын
@Snake Plisken What puzzled me about the episode as a young man was why they greeted them in the cargo bay rather than the actual transporter room.
@lukedavidrobinson3 жыл бұрын
Haha, I was thinking this myself.
@arthas6403 жыл бұрын
I thought that Code of Honor wasnt that great but its also not that bad either, at least compared to the rest of the first season. The first season was so awkward and riddled with so many issues it's hard to really hate individual episodes. I mean, sure they had a rather sexist society but so did the Ferengi (who are also rather thinly veiled space Jews) and the rest of their culture isnt that badly portrayed since they're technologically advanced, and rather then being stereo typically African they have a mishmash of Arabian and European designs (Arabian robes and that spiked glove is a Roman/Italian/Greek Cestus used in boxing and gladiatorial fights). They have a duel to the death as a major plot point, which might make them look barbaric, but so do tons of other star trek cultures, such as the Klingons.
@joegrimes92323 жыл бұрын
I can imagine chief o brien is requested to analyse the uss voyager upon its return, he's quite excited to take a look at the ship that survived the delta quadrant and thinks highly of belanna. Then he looks at the holodeck records and sees fair haven. He storms into the mess Hall where everyone's having a celebratory dinner and rolls his sleeves "which one of yer all is Tom Paris"
@KayEl583 жыл бұрын
I'd be willing to do my bit in crowd funding that episode!
@pedrovargas21813 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@shallariasunwolf54793 жыл бұрын
The mud puppy esueqe creatures made a certain t ain type if humanoid race looking for the progenitors of their race
@oddish43523 жыл бұрын
And Tom points to Harry Kim and says: "He is." Because Harry Kim must suffer.
@CrazyshadowTalksFootball3 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile, Captain Janeway in the background has that ‘does he know I have a boyfriend in that programme?’ look about her 🤣
@marquisofcarrabass3 жыл бұрын
If they wanted the final episode of Enterprise to look forward to the rest of Trek, they should have included Frakes playing one of Riker's ancestors maybe. Or better still, have the episode end with T'Pol sponsoring Spock's application to Star Fleet...
@daanvos1943 жыл бұрын
Never should have let trip die
@spiritualjoy7212 жыл бұрын
Or, just about anything except what they did.
@dtarmstrong63242 жыл бұрын
If they expanded on the story, particularly Archer's crew storylines, it might have made a great two parter.
@DavidKnowles0 Жыл бұрын
I would have a scene where Trip is walking down what look like a boring corridor, he enters the room, there a dozen engineers, each one a different species and they are all looking at a ship schematic, the USS Constitution. Trip would obviously not have died in the episode.
@BeSkeptical8513 жыл бұрын
I really thought Voyager's "Threshold" would have been up there. Janeway and Paris having kids when they devolved into amphibians then abandoning them was cringey as hell.
@douglasstemke24443 жыл бұрын
Just awful
@Scripture-Man3 жыл бұрын
Cringey? That word is confusey.
@shirosama1003 жыл бұрын
I figured that it was because they didn't want to add 3 new characters. At the same time, the Prime Directive likely includes the introduction of nonnative species to different planets as being illegal.
@zEropoint683 жыл бұрын
yeah, but did the actors regret filming it? that episode won an emmy for the makeup, so i'm thinking even if they thought the plot was dumb, they're still not going to have regretted making the episode _entirely._
@verilyheld3 жыл бұрын
Tapestry, ST: TNG. The intent was to show that every part of a person's life is important to the creation of who that person is. So, it's important Picard gets into a bar fight, because that taught him to take risks . . . . . um. He gets harpooned through the heart, which led him to being Captain of the Enterprise, because that taught him to take risks . . . .
@PatrickGoodspeed3 жыл бұрын
I loved the episode Assignment Earth. It's sad to hear that it was such an unpleasant production that it made Terry Garr miserable to the point of never wanting anything to do with Star Trek again.
@shibolinemress89132 жыл бұрын
Ditto! I still enjoy it to this day.
@troylowe8142 жыл бұрын
Terry Garr was adorable in it. Too bad she didn't like the experience.
@gregthomas29392 жыл бұрын
Most of these “regrets” are pretty pathetic. Political correctness is great at killing memorable scenes and episodes. Ever wanna know who really holds the power? Consider who you’re not allowed to criticize. On that note, Discovery was practically unwatchable.
@gailnichols1284 Жыл бұрын
A favorite of mine too
@SevCaswell Жыл бұрын
@@troylowe814 you mean too bad that Gene Roddenberry was a sexist power tripping pervert?
@lurvig3 жыл бұрын
That was the best piece of garret wang trivia I have ever heard.
@vidagogo98293 жыл бұрын
Pretty awesome. I got his autograph before. Such a nice guy! I feel so bad for his lack of attention in Voyager. I loved him in the show.
@hellacoorinna99953 жыл бұрын
"These are the Voyages" = "Haha you're still Ensigns"
@Scripture-Man3 жыл бұрын
I really like Garret Wang and feel sorry for how they neglected his character (and most of the others, too). But I truly don't get the Code of Honor thing. It just sounds to me like a bunch of Americans believe that all idiotic characters can only have American accents, because other cultures should be treated more favorably than Americans? Meanwhile all Hollywood villains have English accents and no one seems to object. It just doesn't make any sense.
@Maerahn3 жыл бұрын
@Snake Plisken I'm sure it also didn't help that Jeri Ryan was dating producer Brannon Braga throughout her tenure there - not to say she took advantage of that in any way, or to take away anything from her stellar performance as 7 of 9, but... well, you can imagine how that could've *looked* to other cast members who found their characters suddenly being sidelined once she was on board.
@Swooper863 жыл бұрын
I somehow read this as "Garak's wang trivia" and was confused because I didn't remember Garak being mentioned in the video, much less his wang...
@danielhoffman47413 жыл бұрын
Watching S1&2 of Next Generation these days makes me wonder how it ever survived. These days it would have been canceled in a heartbeat
@AgentExeider3 жыл бұрын
It almost didn't that's the point. Roddenberry has a great vision, his ability to execute it however is what people often criticize him for. This is why they wanted to move him away from production and keep him as an executive producer instead of directing anything. TNG turned around when they reorginized things, also the same time Riker grew his beard, which created the Tv Trope "Growing the beard" which is the opposite of "Jumping the shark."
@johntabler3493 жыл бұрын
The name carried it
@johntabler3493 жыл бұрын
@@AgentExeider it's also of note Roddenberry had Gene Coon to assist with the ability to transfer the concept into a commercial viable and quality series, William Shatner credits the 2 equally for the eventual success of Star Trek
@crazydud33803 жыл бұрын
Now, yeah. Internet fan culture passes judgment swiftly, so you have to pretty much nail it right out the gate. TNG also survived till season 3 cuz Trek was at its peak in mainstream popularity when it aired.
@ianwestc3 жыл бұрын
TNG was one of the very few genre shows around. People were hungry for that, and even though it was bad enough to be canceled, it HAD an excellent cast from the start and some good concepts. The first season was terrible, top-to-bottom. The second had a mix of AWFUL episodes but also some really good ones that gave you hope for what the show could be. It premiered one year after the theatrical release of the very successful Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home, so people were really looking for more.
@artembentsionov3 жыл бұрын
I prefer the plot in the book The Good That Men Do which reveals that what happened in the ENT finale was a cover-up by Section 31 since Trip was on a mission against Romulans. Since the episode is a simulation, it makes sense that a false record would be seen as fact
@NinjaFlibble2 жыл бұрын
that book is my true head canon as to what really happened at the end
@artembentsionov2 жыл бұрын
@@NinjaFlibble honestly, is that really surprising coming from an organization like that? I’m just sad the promised series about them never materialized. The ex-Emperor is by far the most interesting character in DIS
@NinjaFlibble2 жыл бұрын
@@artembentsionov No, it isn't. I still wish they'd officially canonize the book
@shedjammer873 жыл бұрын
Spock's brain was hilarious....The remote control Spock cracked me up!
@danmerget3 жыл бұрын
I was watching this episode around midnight in my college dorm's common room with about a dozen other students, when the fire alarm (false alarm) went off. As we stood outside, sleepy and half-dressed in the cold Wisconsin night, waiting for the fire department to let us back in, we chanted "Spock's BRAIN! Spock's BRAIN! Spock's BRAIN!" Onlookers probably thought we were nuts. That was over 30 years ago, but it was so absurdly surreal that I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for that hilariously stupid Star Trek episode.
@andrewspink33453 жыл бұрын
Also was hilarious how they put one of the torture belt things on Spock even though it didn’t affect him because he has no brain.
@gunnarkvinlaug72263 жыл бұрын
24 hours? A certain Swedish girl often in the media has survived for 18 years!
@kimhohlmayer70183 жыл бұрын
I remember when it came out, yes, I am very old, and I was horrified by how bad it was. The older and wiser I got, the worse that episode looked!
@Deadlock3203 жыл бұрын
@@andrewspink3345 Brain? Brain? What is "brain"?
@chrisdavis30553 жыл бұрын
Still 50 years later, when I do something stupid, I find myself saying "Brain and brain, what is brain?!"
@TinySpiny3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I think Voyager’s Killing Game was probably one of its best episodes.
@seanmadd443 жыл бұрын
It's in my top 3
@Freddy37923 жыл бұрын
Same for me and I am German :D
@seanmadd443 жыл бұрын
Everything liberals touch turns to shit! The generation of "the offended" these people are insufferable assholes. If they don't like something or it upsets their little "sensitive feelings" they believe all of humanity must not like it either it it must be destroyed removed or banned. I say we ban liberals
@rmd88733 жыл бұрын
@@seanmadd44 Hey, it is Star Trek, please leave bullshit politics out of it. Live long and prosper mon ami!
@johnprieto4353 жыл бұрын
@@seanmadd44 you really missed the point of all of Star Trek didn't you?
@danieljanz42293 жыл бұрын
"Treshold" anyone? The episode where Voyager learns how to fly faster than warp 10 and then Paris and Janeway turn into lizards and have sex on an uninhabited planet only to be reversed back into human shape off camera? This would be my call for one of the worst episodes ever.
@joermnyc3 жыл бұрын
Most of the people behind the camera wish that episode never happened.
@patrickmccurry15633 жыл бұрын
The only way I could mentally survive that episode was pretending it was all an elaborate trolling joke by the writers. They had a bet on just how much of grade school basic sciences they could crap on in a single episode.
@Scarlet_Soul3 жыл бұрын
The only good thing about Threshold is that the name makes my brain go "Threshold, take us to the Threshold!". Thank you Riddick
@posindustries3 жыл бұрын
The thing with Threshold is it was incredibly dumb but everyone had a fun time filming it.
@nickllama52963 жыл бұрын
Worst yes, but perhaps not hated but the actors?
@williamseneyjr.62773 жыл бұрын
The final episode of Enterprise pissed me off greatly too. Enterprise was severely underrated and captain Archer was one of my favorites.
@valentinofeltrin66173 жыл бұрын
One thing I find very underrated about Archer is his character arc. He goes from optimistic and almost naive (to the point of putting himself and his crew in danger) to a more serious and responsible captain. Enterprise... is not my favorite Star Trek show, but I like Archer a lot, it's the perfect captain for what the show wanted to be
@williamseneyjr.62773 жыл бұрын
@@valentinofeltrin6617 Precisely! That's what I loved about it. The guy you meet in season 1 is not the same guy we're following by the third season. I also loved seeing how much Archer would struggle with retaining his values while solving the problem at hand. Bakula had this heroic quality too. For lack of a better way to put it, he reminded me of if Indiana Jones and Steve Rogers somehow had a love child.
@BeSkeptical8513 жыл бұрын
Enterprise was great if you take out the oversexualized decontamination and massage scenes. I really like the Shran episodes.
@williamseneyjr.62773 жыл бұрын
@@BeSkeptical851 Honestly, I'm a bit of a perv but even I felt like those "decontamination" scenes seemed like inserting those "pick up the phone" ads into The Dark Knight. And yes, Shran was hands down my favorite recurring character. I loved the semi-hostile friendship he and Archer shared. Two very proud men that were still smart enough to see the big picture.
@codyw13 жыл бұрын
@@williamseneyjr.6277 You can't beat a bit of Jeff Combs!
@AlexGreeneHypnotist3 жыл бұрын
Up the Long Ladder ... I'm not surprised that Sean Ferrick added his name after Colm Meaney. My Dad's Irish, and he told me that Colm's expression when he saw the Oirish colonists was genuine. As was Dad's.
@ianwestc3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the Space Irish. TNG's version of TOS's Space Hippies.
@jessragan67143 жыл бұрын
It's Code of Honor! Except offensive to white people this time!
@ianwestc3 жыл бұрын
The Irish have long been subject to .. stereotype and persecution. In the mid to late 1800s it was pretty common to see help wanted signs, and below: "Irish need not apply." The Irish were white, but they were also Catholic, which was considered just as distasteful.
@AlexGreeneHypnotist3 жыл бұрын
@@ianwestc I agree. And you'd have thought they'd have learned their lessons by the time "Fair Haven" and "Spirit Folk" came along. They could have decided to set those bloody episodes in a fictional English seaside town, all cod and chips and dodging the seagulls, but no - out came all the Co. Kerry racial sereotypes. Twice.
@johntrevy13 жыл бұрын
I wonder what the ENT finale would have been if Johnathan and Marina turned the episode down?
@cmdrreggit3 жыл бұрын
I love the *idea* of the episode... It just really *really* shouldn't have been the finale. 'Trials and Tribbleations' I think was a much better executed version of a similar idea.
@ryanatorryanson95353 жыл бұрын
Well the big surprise was supposed to be that he mysterious person Archer was talking to was actually Archer from 40 years in the future. He was manipulating things along the way to keep them from repeating mistakes they had done on the past that led to the horror future.
@johntrevy13 жыл бұрын
@@ryanatorryanson9535 If that is the case then why did Silik put the bomb on the bottom of the shuttle to detonate the volatile planets atmosphere so the mission gets cancelled? Why did the Suliban try to create internal conflict within the Klingon Empire? I know Silik saved Enterprise from a Warp Core cascade and directed Archer to Future Guy so Archer could learn about the Xindi but something doesn't add up.
@joermnyc3 жыл бұрын
@@ryanatorryanson9535 I always thought it was a future Romulan trying to stop the federation from forming.
@ryanatorryanson95353 жыл бұрын
@@johntrevy1 I read it in an interview with Scott Bakula a long time ago. I’d hand to find it again. That was what he described.
@darrenflynn7063 жыл бұрын
Controversial Opinion: These are the Voyages as a concept the episode was not bad it would have made a great TNG Anniversary episode Similar to DS9 The trouble with Tribbles, but it should not have been the finale and I hate that it killed Trip. I liked the concept that the crew used to use Chef as an agony aunt, Id have loved to see call backs to this in a Season 5 of Enterprise. I also like the tie in to the Pressman/Pegasus episode of TNG.
@anubhavpal57822 жыл бұрын
well someone mentioned it above in the comments that we actually never got to see the chef in the entire series up unti the last episode. he was only referenced here and there through out the series in different seasons, but was never showed on screen until the last episode, meaning the entire series played out in a holodeck and was from the point of view of riker
@amandamills41333 жыл бұрын
I don't know about the actors being against it but I was really disappointed with Skin of Evil. It was a terrible way for Tasha to go and I think it was just a terrible episode in general.
@patrickmccurry15633 жыл бұрын
Even with the BS Tasha death, it was still boring. A tiny bit of nonsensical attempt as philosophical babble, lame powerless damsel in distress, and nothing else.
@mikes56373 жыл бұрын
That "terrible way to go" paid off later though in Yesterday's Enterprise when Guinan tells the alternate timeline Tasha that she died a meaningless death, inspiring her to join the doomed Enterprise C crew and change history.
@Scripture-Man3 жыл бұрын
Denise Crosby may have got killed off in a truly dreadful episode that was so mind-numbingly tedious it makes you want to tear your hair out. But on the plus side, she got killed off in one of the very finest and best-written episodes of TNG Season 1.
@Scripture-Man3 жыл бұрын
@Snake Plisken Forgive me but I just can't agree with that. Sure, many fans hated both 'reboots' of the series, but there is a huge difference between the objection fans had to TNG, and the objection to 'Nu Trek'. Let me try to use an analogy to explain the difference... Let's suppose you were planning your perfect wedding, and you ordered a minty green wedding cake because that had sentimental significance. But the caterers totally mess up and do a brown chocolate cake. It's all very upsetting, you're angry, and you feel like it's ruined your wedding. Nevertheless, many of the guests actually enjoy the chocolate cake, and in the end you come round to it. That's like the objection to TNG. But what if the caterers turned up at your wedding with a chocolate cake, and when it was cut open, flesh-eating spiders started crawling out, then the caterers started going around with machine guns shooting your guests, before setting the whole place on fire and blowing it up. I'm sure you would agree, that is a WHOLE OTHER level of offence. Nu Trek is like that to us. It's not merely 'bad', it's not just jumping the shark, or taking the show in an idiotic direction. It's something DEEPLY morally OFFENSIVE. It's an attack upon everything Star Trek stands for and a radical redefinition of the franchise - turning something beautiful and wholesome into something so grotesque and twisted that it is literally impossible to watch. I could not even attempt to watch such an evil TV show, with such disgraceful language. It would be like witnessing a violent crime.
@Foolish1883 жыл бұрын
Kirk dying because a flimsy bridge fell on him was worse, and that was a movie.
@LutzAlbrecht-Mylenium3 жыл бұрын
As a German I was never even remotely offended by "The Killing Game". It may be clichéed, but overall it gets some tropes and stereotypes right. Outside that it's of course silly to even think about such things. Some french could just be as offended about the glorified representation of the Resistance. If you wanted to see it that way, not a single wartime movie actually makes sense or counts as "realistic"...
@bazzokzwattom26553 жыл бұрын
I thought that the criticism that there were no sympathetic German characters was a little weird. Because, as presented in the episode, there were no true "German characters"! The Germans were all holodeck automatons. They were only there to serve the Hirogens' purposes. If the situation had been distorted to cartoonish proportions, I can see how that would be worthy of criticism. But, I'm not sure that was the case here.
@andromidius3 жыл бұрын
Not to mention that since its set in occupied France... the only German characters would have been occupying soldiers. So... yeah?
@SunriseViewer3 жыл бұрын
I came here to say essentially the same thing. As a German, I actually enjoy "The Killing Game".
@LutzAlbrecht-Mylenium3 жыл бұрын
@Snake Plisken As an example of how misinformation, propaganda, manipulation, mass hysteria and indoctrination work it does a nice job even on a broader level, but one mustn't take everything about it too literally. Same for the underground movement. It's a typical product of its time, lacking a bit of nuance here and there.
@rotorr223 жыл бұрын
Terry Garr understandably had issues with "Assignment Earth". Kudo's to Robert Lansing for making it a memorable episode that I consider quite good!
@CreativePulse13 жыл бұрын
It was a good episode and a great concept. Gary Seven and Roberta Lincoln were great characters who should have reappeared at some point in the franchise. DS9 would have been a great returnn point for the characters or even TNG for Enterprise continuity. Too bad Roddenberry always seemed to get in his own way.
@CommodoreFloopjack783 жыл бұрын
Damn, I'd forgotten just how stunningly gorgeous Teri Garr was back in the day.
@EricA-xd9fn3 жыл бұрын
"stunningly gorgeous".... Hyperbole much?
@david28693 жыл бұрын
Well, she does have nice knockers!
@gerardcote83913 жыл бұрын
And ten years later when she was in Close Encounters, too. She did age a minute in that time, must have been in cryosleep.
@CommodoreFloopjack783 жыл бұрын
@@gerardcote8391 😊😊😊
@Jobotubular3 жыл бұрын
see OH GOD and you won't forget again
@meiray3 жыл бұрын
At a convention I went to a good few years ago, when asked about his least favorite episode of DS9, Avery Brooks demurred, but eventually started singing, “Allamaraine, count to four, Allamaraine, then three more...” The room erupted into laughter and cheers after that.
@adambaker86893 жыл бұрын
It's already in my head... FFS What got me about the episode wasn't even the song or silliness but that we understood by the end that the crew were never in any real danger...
@pauldavis93873 жыл бұрын
There is a book where the characters jump into different time lines. You don’t realize it until late in the book. One way they figure out what is happening is that they talk about Star Trek. One of the characters refers ST as that series that only lasted one season but spawned, “Gary 7” that was very successful.
@victorvance25733 жыл бұрын
Sounds interesting! Do you remember it´s name and/or author? I always liked these kind of what-if stories.
@pauldavis93873 жыл бұрын
@@victorvance2573 The Fold by Peter Clines
@victorvance25733 жыл бұрын
@@pauldavis9387 Thanks! Nice coincidence, i read his book 14 earlier this year, which i found quite good. So i think i give it a try.
@dnf-dead3 жыл бұрын
@@pauldavis9387 is that the guy who wrote the ex series of books?
@pauldavis93873 жыл бұрын
@@dnf-dead Yes it is.
@dewainalexander66153 жыл бұрын
I will never ever forgive BB for the enterprise finale. One word Trip.
@brandonlink65683 жыл бұрын
He's fine, his friends just helped him fake his death because he's so good of an engineer they all knew Starfeleet would never let him retire in peace.
@antonnurwald57003 жыл бұрын
I never watched it. I started it, saw what the premise was and immediately turned it off. Never touched it again.
@charlesgruber16313 жыл бұрын
Mediocre screenwriting falls back on old cliche's like: kill a character to inject drama. They didn't need to kill Trip, but hoped it would tug at someone's heartstrings. Kind of desperate and rote writing. Kind of like when they killed... Spock. Or MacLane Stevenson, or Batman's Robin.. or didn't they "kill" superman? Give it rest dopey screen hacks!
@mikemullen81743 жыл бұрын
The novelizations have this being a fake death so he could go undercover for Starfleet Intelligence.
@bernlin20003 жыл бұрын
Such a flippant way to kill off a character after 4 years. Dumb dumb plot, just a mess.
@suzannelan3 жыл бұрын
About Up the Long Ladder, what Riker actually said was "We certainly have a right to exercise control over our own bodies."
@DerBeppone3 жыл бұрын
I thoroughly enjoyed The Killing game. And as a German I don't feel embarassed or insulted by the depiction of Nazis. They were cartoonishly evil, although Life was certainly no cartoon and thus it gets in deed murky fast, but well. The main thing is. It is history and it was a different Germany. Besides I am not quite sure if German resistance fighters would've salvaged anything, because historically they unfortunately weren't that successfull, honroable. Incredibly brave, no question about that, but ultimately very limited, due to how horrible and surpressive the regime was. Not to mention powerful and manipulative in the home country. In short: In a setting like this cartoonishly evil Nazis are better, because the issues are too complex to just brush over.
@Knight_Kin2 жыл бұрын
Nazis weren't cartoonishly evil, that's propaganda. They were an enemy faction. WW2 storylines need to probably stop already, it's way, waaaaay too played out.
@DerBeppone2 жыл бұрын
@@Knight_Kin well. they certainly didn't twirl their mustaches or laughing histerically. "evil" in the real world probably more is like executing without remorse and with cold precission. But going through the speeches of the time I can't help but associating them to a proto cartoon evil. But I agree. WW II stories have been thoroughly explored.
@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe83072 жыл бұрын
So Irish people from the 1800s are racists because they are Irish people from the 1800s! No that makes the people claiming they are a racist send up racist for defining people as a racist send up when they are just people! THATS RACISM!
@k.t.16412 жыл бұрын
Regardless star trek and just about every other series has overused the nazis to where they are common phrase this day and are the typical go to baddies...
@LickMyMusketBallsYankee2 жыл бұрын
@@Knight_Kin right because every other enemy faction systematically tortured and killed 6 million people too
@haweater15553 жыл бұрын
As for "Up the Long Ladder" , I still think it was a funny scene where Worf showed the Irishman how to get alcohol out of the replicators.
@michaelramsey823 жыл бұрын
What about "Turnabout Intruder" from TOS? I can't imagine anyone's proud of that one.
@bowl18203 жыл бұрын
OMG! I never rewatch that episode. If they had a plot where kirk changed bodies and went undercover as her for something and she had to act like him so no one knew he was gone and they played it up for laughs they might of had something. But as it was it was so cringe.
@HeavyInstinct3 жыл бұрын
Definitely not one of my favorites but it was nowhere near as bad as Spocks Brain.
@DoctorX173 жыл бұрын
Assignment Earth is one of my favorite episodes of TOS, and I wish we had gotten a Gary 7 show, but I didn't know Teri Garr was basically harassed in the production...
@ianlister73333 жыл бұрын
this is an example of an episode, which I didnt think there would be a problem with, even if you think the TOS cast are not in it enough, once you accept that its a back door pilot, then that isnt an issue, because I think it sets up something good, Torchwood would seem to borrow from it ALOT. However the reason given was the environment in which it was filmed, not so much the plot of the episode. Also the cynic in me wonders, if that might have changed, had the series happened.
@arthouston73613 жыл бұрын
What younger viewers miss, and Terry Garr does not appreciate, is that this was TV in the mid 60's, when everyone was wearing very short skirts and sexuality was being displayed everywhere. It's a shame, because she did a good job with a character that was suspicious, smart, and patriotic, and the plot line never demeaned her because she was young and pretty.
@ianlister73333 жыл бұрын
@@arthouston7361 im not sure its ok to simply say "well that is how it was at the time" or from Terry Garr POV "well that is just how it is"
@mcarp5553 жыл бұрын
Legend has it that Roddenberry was like a rutting pig with every female guest star, so I think if he wanted to lift up Terri Garr's skirt, it wasn't always on camera...
@arthouston73613 жыл бұрын
@@mcarp555 Not just Gene was chasing tail off camera.......
@Bird-Birdy-Love3 жыл бұрын
Surprisgnly, a lot of these episodes are some of my favourites ,not that they are actually good more so good that i can switch of my brain and watch them for fun without thinking of too much.
@Zentauri773 жыл бұрын
I like most of the episodes. Even a mediocre episode of Star Trek is better than most other SciFi shows. The only one I don't can stand is the finale of ENT.
@patrickmccurry15633 жыл бұрын
The title isn't about the worst episodes only the ones the actors regret. Gar regretting working with a sexist, overbearing, d-bag says nothing about what happened on screen though. (Aside; I really would have loved a series from that as a kid.)
@kuribayashi843 жыл бұрын
Agreed. _Spocks Brain_ isn't a good episode but it's not a boring one either. It's a hoot to watch.
@kenwheeler36373 жыл бұрын
Assignment Earth really would have made a great series. It sucks that Teri Garr was mistreated like that though.
@troy24783 жыл бұрын
It seems she was mistreated a lot. She also hated Gene Wilder after working with him on "Young Frankenstein".
@trekkiejunk3 жыл бұрын
I don't know. That episode of Trek was really boring to me. Maybe it would have played better as its own thing.
@grippygecko68433 жыл бұрын
75% of the problem with it was how it screamed "BACKDOOR PILOT". It was like "Mum, someone put a Gary 7 in my Star Trek!". The other 25% is the whole "history research by time travel" plot device. Like time travel was so trivial people just did it to see what happened on a certain day. They make it seem like in the Star Trek world you can just set the ship to go back in time. This gets dropped from the series and we have to pretend like we never saw that. Later in Star Trek: The Voyage Home we see just how hard going back in time appeared to be in Kirk's era. If you ignore that in this episode and one other they show it as standard functionality for the Enterprise.
@Scripture-Man3 жыл бұрын
But who's to say that Teri Garr was "mistreated"? She says she had a bad experience. Was it her fault or Gene's? Who can say unless they were there. IMHO, 9 times out of 10 the fault lies with cast members getting above their station and not doing what the directors/producers tell them. No matter how bad their ideas are, it's their show and you're supposed to do things their way just like with any boss or manager. The stuff about skirt length is purely trivial. How many guest actors have to spend hours getting into painful prosthetics that are genuinely uncomfortable. In comparison, changes to skirt length are trivial, and Gene and William never made skirts TOO short. Obviously Miss Garr's real problem was the personality clash not wardrobe.
@crazydud33803 жыл бұрын
@@Scripture-Man It really comes down to how it played out. Knowing what we now know for a fact is disgustingly common, sometimes basically rapist behavior in Hollywood, I would not be too quick to dismiss her. Having said that, it does not make sense that Roddenberry had "gross" intentions here. His original Trek pilot had a female first officer in pants, and not sexualized. The switch to skirts was to appease the studio. Based on that experience, my guess is that he was pushing for a shorter skirt cuz he thought that would help to get the show picked up by the network. Again, depends on the details really. If she was uncomfortable with it, and they discussed it and came to an agreement, that would be proper. If, however, he came in leering at her and saying he wants to see her in a skimpy skirt, well yeah, she would have every right to be pissed. The truth probably lies somewhere between the two scenarios.
@zEropoint683 жыл бұрын
i'm embarrassed to have _watched_ both "angel one" and "justice," so i'm fairly certain the people making those episodes were aware of how frigging ridiculous they were.
@snoproblem2 жыл бұрын
'Angel One', ugh. Notice that the worst eps always seem to have Roddenberry's hamfisted, sexist fingerprints all over it? The irony - the guy who brought it all to life also was the one who almost killed it flat again.
@moralityisnotsubjective5 Жыл бұрын
@@snoproblem The dude was definitely a huge pervert.
@erricro31983 жыл бұрын
Bakula is one of the best captains in star trek. Change my mind. Damn it s a shame they werent given a chance.
@cmdrreggit3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Not the best - but compared to what we're getting now - pretty damn good. Would have loved to see the Romulan war 😭
@karlsmith25703 жыл бұрын
Agreed, especially with the last part of what you said, that Enterprise wasn't given a fair chance to showcase how good of a Captain that Jonathan Archer could be, being the first Captain to command a starship in pre-Federation Starfleet
@beauxguidry53733 жыл бұрын
Why not? He built the Federation.
@BigJeremyBeyer3 жыл бұрын
I never heard of Captain Bakula. What ship did he command?
@karlsmith25703 жыл бұрын
@@BigJeremyBeyer I realize that you're likely being sarcastic, but Bakula was a reference to Scott Bacula, the actor who played Captain Jonathan Archer
@TheLastVoodooMan3 жыл бұрын
As a German I'd like to give my own input into the Nazi portrayal in general. You have a point that it sucks there are no redeemable characters among them in the given example, but it doesn't really bother me. I don't expect too much from TV series writers, however given the circumstances of the episode it's forgivable. It's just a tale as old as time right now, I don't think anyone needs a reminder that the Nazis were evil. If anything, I think it should be taught in school, but that's not the topic Actually, it's the one dimensional characters that annoy me the most. A character that I to this day love and hate is Hans Landa from Inglorious Basterds. Without a doubt a irredeemable character, but nonetheless entertaining as all hell.
@jeremy18603 жыл бұрын
This is a long franchise, so I guess it was inevitable that there'd be a few bad memories for those who've worked on it 😟
@Knightshade083 жыл бұрын
Both Walter Koenig, for how it portrayed Chekov, and James Duhan hated "The Way to Eden" Walter felt Chekov would be more sympathetic and James called it, "An episode about nothing. And that's all I'm going to say about it."
@michaeljordan98793 жыл бұрын
The Way To Eden is one the episodes I refuse to watch. Along with The Empath and Conscience of the King.
@ficialintelligence18693 жыл бұрын
Given the animosity with Stravinsky, this never could have happened, but I would have loved Alfred Bester to show up as a one-time universe crossover villain in Next Generation.
@johntabler3493 жыл бұрын
I think they should have reversed Sulu and Chekhov's roles I think the episode is okay not great but good
@inregionecaecorum3 жыл бұрын
But it is my fave episode, it is hilarious, so camp it could be called carry on trekking. Anyone who disagrees with me is a Herbert.
@KhaosAdmiral3 жыл бұрын
And The Children shall Lead is another genuinely bad episode nobody really liked filming
@vvMathematicalvv3 жыл бұрын
Assignment Earth is one of my favorites haha. I had no idea it would be on this list.
@jakubjandourek28223 жыл бұрын
One of I always skip. :-) No offense. :-)
@bwhog2 жыл бұрын
I love it! I can hear Garret now: "THIS is what I'm nervous about? Come on, MAN!" :D
@primpal083 жыл бұрын
Riker stated in that episode that he had a right to control his own body. There's a Deep Space 9 episode that showed up later where a former adversary of Odo kills his own clone in an attempt frame him for the murder. When Odo arrests him he says murdering a clone is still murder. So there's that.
@adamgoss36383 жыл бұрын
Except the villain on that DS9 episode made the clone himself, he was responsible. Riker and Pulaski were assaulted and had biological samples taken against their will. While killing the clones was maybe extreme, I totally sympathize with them, especially since the clones weren't viable and fully grown yet.
@primpal083 жыл бұрын
@@adamgoss3638 Not relevant. If the clone is considered a sentient being, killing it is murder no matter what its origin. (Also, the clones in question didn't have any say how they were created.)
@djhutchison3 жыл бұрын
I don't have a problem with Riker showing up on Enterprise, but just make it a story where Riker goes back in time and actually interacts with the crew. Maybe they work together to thwart some attempt on Archer's life, or stop some intrigue surrounding the creation of the Federation. Anything but a holodeck story.
@joeboxter36353 жыл бұрын
Yes, but here is the beauty of holodeck ... It's very easy to retcon. Now we get whole new story and even the whole show can go on. And why not?! Id love to see Enterprise picked up as Movie or on TV.
@pizzedahff31273 жыл бұрын
@@joeboxter3635 I want to see season five, which was supposed to cover the Romulan War, and was supposed to bring Trip back as an undercover agent in the Romulan Empire.
@joeboxter36353 жыл бұрын
@@pizzedahff3127 kewl!
@patrickstewart34463 жыл бұрын
Better yet, just have him cast as Chef. Period. Not as Riker playing Chef in a Holodeck. As the actual crew member they mention throughout the series but we don’t get to see until the final episode.
@joeboxter36353 жыл бұрын
@@patrickstewart3446 Okay so Riker's grand dad is a chef on board a starship? 😂 Now that would make an awesome episode esp if something happened to the crew and the chef had to fight off all bad guys Steven Seagal style. Lol.
@the_kombinator3 жыл бұрын
7:56 - My favourite part, "Good for the bloody ship!" I use that whenever I can :D
@oogboog60503 жыл бұрын
You know i actually did liked Extinction and thought the actors were great in that episode as well as the plot to it
@jonathonwhitington4023 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I also enjoyed Extinction. I don't understand the hate it gets. 🤷♂️
@JakobNoone3 жыл бұрын
It's a good idea whose script just needed one more draft, imo. IIRC, like most ST episodes it had an A and B plot and my feeling was it should have been fully on Hoshi and Archer's characters' stories and no secondary plot. That would've allowed time to realize the script's ideas better, in a more nuanced way.
@jaredjones17523 жыл бұрын
I watched that episode only once--when it first aired on UPN almost 20 years ago, and to this day when I'm daydreaming, I sometimes randomly hear and see Linda Park's character in my head saying: "It was....beautiful." Such a weird thing to remember, after all that can happen over 20 years of someone's life! I guess her acting in that one really made an impression on me. Also props to the makeup crew!
@ZeoViolet3 жыл бұрын
Are you kidding? I loved the "Alamarain, count to four!" scene the best out of the episode. It actually endeared me to DS9; before that I was very iffy about the series as a kid.
@jasonpye46493 жыл бұрын
Well that explains it right there, it appealed to you as a child. That's fair.
@jakeg31263 жыл бұрын
I was embarrassed for them watching it
@SecretSquirrelFun3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience of this - it’s really interesting to hear about how that scene pulled you into the ds9 world rather than away from it. Definitely a win for the fandom.🙂🐿 Ha ha - because, you know, one more individual to rise up and make the world, the universe a better and more inclusive place has to be a good thing right?....just saying. 😉
@pedrovargas21813 жыл бұрын
As a kid, obviously. Adults, on the other hand...
@JJMHigner2 жыл бұрын
Move along home is actually really cool concept. I just wish they had a lot more imaginative sets and ideas in it to make it really worth it.
@Eowyn3Pride3 жыл бұрын
I always enjoyed how Star Trek brought to light very controversial and politically polarized issues. A case study, if you will, of how we would, could, should handle these topics in the future.
@dca-Letsplay3 жыл бұрын
To go further on Code of Honour even Michael Dorn who didn’t appear in the episode has said he hates it, I mean watching that episode it’s amazing how anyone said okay I’ll film it
@arthas6403 жыл бұрын
its a first season episode, they were riddled with issues and the cast had alot of problems and hardships to deal with. I've heard the shoots averaged around 16 hours, Levarr Burton said he got so tired that he'd fall asleep at his station during filming and said he was sometimes slept through whole scenes when he was in the background. I forget when but Patrick Stewart got so exhausted that he had to be woken up inbetween takes of one scene when he was laying on a bed or table.
@Raja19383 жыл бұрын
People who dislike the society depicted in Code of Honor have to explain how Wakanda's depiction was ok. Not very different to me, and Wakanda is worse in some ways.
@arthas6403 жыл бұрын
@@Raja1938 I think people get upset because of how sexist the leader is and the fact they have a fight to the death, which makes them seem like savages. The thing is though the sexist leader gets punished for his attitude, his wife gets good treatment under the law of their planet, and while they do have duels to the death so do alot of the planets and cultures Star Trek depicts with the Klingons being a prime example
@Raja19383 жыл бұрын
@@arthas640 Agree on all points, which makes me wonder if those same people objected to Black Panther for many similar if not worse depictions.
@arthas6403 жыл бұрын
@@Raja1938 I've never heard anyone complain or criticize it. From what I've heard at least it's pretty popular with african Americans as well as most white Americans. That could be simply because it's one of the only black super heroes in recent history, with most of the rest either being sidekicks in big movies or they're the star in a much smaller film. Black Panther could dodge potential criticism simply for the fact it's a $1.4bil record breaking blockbuster movie with a black lead actor and a largely black cast which is extremely rare. People can be really weird about depictions of african americans in media, and their opinions seem inconsistent.
@Gerry1of13 жыл бұрын
'Assignment Earth' is one of my favorite episodes. I even bought the comic book series of it.
@amightysailingman3 жыл бұрын
It's too bad that Teri Garr still disliked Trek so much that she wouldn't allow her likeness to be used in the comic.
@RichardHallas3 жыл бұрын
Mine too. I was sorry to find it in this collection, as honestly I think it’s one of the top five (maybe even top three) episodes in the whole of original Trek. It’s an absolute classic.
@suzannelan3 жыл бұрын
That's a shame about Teri Garr because that was a great episode. I'll bet she wouldn't have minded it so much if they had actually picked up the pilot as a show.
@adambaker86893 жыл бұрын
Depends if Gene Roddenberry got another 'hands-on' controlling interest in that too I'm guessing...
@crazydud33803 жыл бұрын
Yeah, not sure why Roddenberry was acting that way. His original pilot for Trek had a female first officer in pants, and not sexualized in any way. The mini skirts were basically to appease studio execs. Maybe he felt he needed to shorten the skirt to maximize she show's chance of being picked up?
@neonknights3 жыл бұрын
@@crazydud3380 No. On the contrary. The miniskirts actually made studio execs mad because they wanted the show to be as wholesome and family-friendly as possible. They came from the mind of Gene Roddenberry like all the over-sexualization of women on the series. Roddenberry was a sex-addicted serial adulterer, who often used the "casting couch method" to "score" with young actresses. At one point Lucille Ball was worried that his dirty antics might bring down the morale in her studio. Read up on his life. Read Herb Solow and Bob Justman's very informative book Inside Star Trek: The Real Story.
@amightysailingman3 жыл бұрын
@@crazydud3380 Everybody at NBC and Desilu knew Gene wanted Majel in the show because it was an open secret that she was his girlfriend at the time, even though he was married to someone else. That's why they insisted he get rid of Number One, not because she was a "strong female character" as he claims. Nurse Chapel was his way of sneaking her back into the show.
@7cassandraecw3783 жыл бұрын
Unpopular opinions Move Along Home is one of my favorite DS9 episodes. It's a big scare, everything seems nuts and it turns out to be just another overly-detailed yet wholesome meeting between species. And we get to see some good Quark and Odo interaction, the only problem I had with it was the cliff bit. Feel they could have had a more detailed challenge, and maybe just wore out their budget on all the game structure and corridors themselves? Who knows
@KhaosAdmiral Жыл бұрын
Honestly the only thing that I feel like redeems the episode somewhat is that it does show the inklings of signs that Quark for all of his greed, isn't a complete asshole.
@ShinSeikiEvan3 жыл бұрын
There's that TOS episode that had explosions go off too close to William Shatner and gave him tinnitus for the rest of his life. I would assume that he greatly regrets filming that one.
@jeffreyknickman55593 жыл бұрын
"Arena", I think.
@acentaur0103 жыл бұрын
"Allamaraine, count to four, Allamaraine, then three more, Allamaraine, if you can see, Allamaraine, you'll come with me..." *Like* if you sang along 😉
@andrewjohnston41273 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I can't get it out my head now 😂
@AshPrimeDCFC3 жыл бұрын
Third shap!
@barnesguides3 жыл бұрын
@@andrewjohnston4127 0.5X speed "A Night in Sickbay" stat, repeat as needed.
@johntrevy13 жыл бұрын
Pleeeeeeeeaaaaasssseeeeeee!! Pleeeeeeeeaaaaasssseeeeeee!! Pleeeeeeeeaaaaasssseeeeeee!! I will never cheat again, I will never cheat again!!
@lurvig3 жыл бұрын
I thought it was interesting how bashir, who I would consider the vain character on the show, was the first to attempt the sequence but not doing everything as if to try and shield himself from the humiliation of acting like a child.
@Candikorn3 жыл бұрын
Come along home, I love that song. I still sing that song just randomly
@detectivewiggles3 жыл бұрын
I really don't think Move Along Home is that bad! I mean, it's not my favorite by any means. But when I'm rewatching DS9, I watch that one, and I skip all the ridiculous mirror universe episodes. If I wanted to watch people be evil, I would watch a different show than Star "Morality Play" Trek
@pedrovargas21813 жыл бұрын
Mirror Universe DS9, ridiculous? What planet are you from?
@jessragan67143 жыл бұрын
Move Along Home is silly. It's a bit like Voyager's The Thaw in its connection to the original series, except Move Along Home is pretty low stakes and The Thaw is legitimately threatening when you get past the low-rent circus motif. I'd say the Q episode Q-Less was worse, in that it illustrated that John DeLancie and Avery Brooks had the chemistry of expired milk and lemon juice.
@timzahniser21023 жыл бұрын
Terri Garr is awesome! i'm glad she was on trek, TOS, even if she's not!!! i love that episode, because of her!!
@Raja19383 жыл бұрын
Guess I'm one of the few defenders of "Up the Long Ladder". Remember there were two factions of lost colonists, one that pursued a strict agrarian society while the other went hi-tech. Both were Irish, but fans are only focusing on the former as stereotyping.
@krane153 жыл бұрын
There were lots of stereotype in Star Trek right from the TOS. Sometimes its was obvious, other, more covert.
@niallmaclaimh98263 жыл бұрын
Eh the other colony is clearly coded as English/British, not Irish. Thats what makes it even worse. Not only does it have racists 19th Century tropes about Ireland but the contrast we're shown is a British technologically advanced colony.
@Raja19383 жыл бұрын
@@niallmaclaimh9826 Coded as English/British, how? Simply because they don't speak with an Irish accent? Notice that they don't speak with an English accent either. Consider also the sampling. We only hear two Grangers and two O'Dells. There may very well be more diversity among both groups (as there were Black Mariposans).
@paulyKeys3 жыл бұрын
I beg to differ. Mr brooks, while on stage at a Trek convention in Cherry Hill, NJ (I think it was 2017) sang the song per a fan’s request. The entire song. And laughed. Did half the hopscotch too from what I recall.
@joermnyc3 жыл бұрын
Trip "dying" was fixed in the novels, ("The Good That Men Do" and the following series on the Romulan war.)
@freethebirds35783 жыл бұрын
Sadly, novels aren't canon.
@joermnyc3 жыл бұрын
@@freethebirds3578 to me those books are the season 5 we never got.
@derworfnet3 жыл бұрын
In a perfect world... Okay, in a perfect world, "Enterprise" would have gotten a seven-season-run. But in a _semi-perfect_ world, the 4th Season would have ended with a cliffhanger-episode, setting up the start of the Earth-Romulan War. And the Finale to said war, the Battle of Cheron, the Armistice with the Romulans and the Founding of the Federation (including Archers' Speech they kept teasing) would have been covered in a subsequent "The Peacekeeper Wars"-esque Mini Series. And it would have concluded with an Epilogue featuring an aged T'Pol witnessing the Maiden Voyage of the NCC-1701, bringing the Franchise full circle. In my honest opinion, this is what they *should* have done instead of "These are the Voyages".
@turbogamerxd3293 жыл бұрын
About ST: VOY episode "The Killing Game"... I am german and it's one of my favourite episodes...
@andrewspink33453 жыл бұрын
I was kind of surprised to learn that fans are kind of lukewarm about that episode because I loved all the spectacle of it.
@jonathanfraser3213 жыл бұрын
I thought the Killing game was a fair portrayal of the WW2 Germans. As you know there were some really unforgivable things the Occupying Forces did. But in The Killing Game there was only one German officer who was really awful -the blond underling.The others were depicted as ordinary German officers, he wasn't. He was very much a "true believer", and definitely the sort of pure Aryan the Nazi leaders wanted to create.
@seanmadd443 жыл бұрын
The German officer you speak of also played the Borg drone "one" in season 5 when he used the Dr's Mobil admitter to become an advanced drone and helped Voyager destroy a Borg ship.
@BoundyMan3 жыл бұрын
I first saw "Assignment Earth," TOS, a month after the Challenger explosion. I was in Second Grade at that time and thought this episode was a tribute to the seven astronauts who lost their lives because I thought it was a rocket ship going to the moon that blew up in the episode.
@Kinvarus13 жыл бұрын
I didn't have a problem with Riker showing up on Enterprise in terms of the episode, I thought the idea was good that he would be on the holodeck researching a situation that Archer had faced that he too had to face. The problem with it was that they aired it as the final ever episode of the show. They should have made it the penultimate episode but not the very last one. Just swap those last two episodes around and call it a day. It would have been like if Stargate Atlantis has ended with Vegas instead of Enemy At The Gate.
@DanielleWhite3 жыл бұрын
I tend to agree. I thought it was an altogether interesting idea for an episode beset by some really bad decisions about it.
@NinjaFlibble2 жыл бұрын
I didn't like Vegas 😅 it felt like it was forty minutes of filler trying to jump on the CSI: bandwagon with five minutes of stuff that's actually crucial to any of the established plots. I have to wonder if that was really the best way they could come up with to get the Wraith the coordinates for Earth. They couldn't of had it maybe Michael secretly sends them out to a home base of his or something and the transmission gets intercepted? (as for why, could be he intends to sell the information to the Wraith in exchange for re-acceptance. I'm not a writer, I'm just coming up with this on the fly)
@johannpopper14932 жыл бұрын
Star Trek is the longest improvised jazz performance of all time. When it works, it's some of the greatest and most meaningful drama ever made; when it falls apart, it's not just the worst Trek, it's the worst stuff ever put to film. And that's why we love it forever.
@Jay-Kaizo3 жыл бұрын
I have to still stick by my "I like the Spock's Brain" episode. There were worse OG episodes in my opinion. But I'm biased because they're all great to me. :D It's all opinion anyway.
@MP1977422 жыл бұрын
Writing an episode better than Spock’s Brain would be so easy a child could do it.
@ChristopherPayneMUA2 жыл бұрын
One thing I loved about These Are the Voyages was Frakes as Chef. I wish that scene had been in a better finale, just a fun nod to the fans casting a Star Trek alumn as this character that had been constantly mentioned but never before seen.
@xxxmina3 жыл бұрын
With the Killing Game I can excuse the representation of the Germans because it wasn't a time travel episode. They were holograms... like video games today offcourse its not going to represent history accurately. Its a holo program wrote by aliens from the other side of the galaxy. Why do people think the herogens would accurately depict our history in their video game.
@matthewmartin57633 жыл бұрын
I agree. I've seen the episode many times and never thought it was derogatory towards Germans. The Nazis were bad any way you look at it. From the perspective of the Hirogen (spelling?), I think they would find they would find this 'entertaining'.
@M0butu3 жыл бұрын
I think it is. Good to know that some people felt how problematic that episodes were. Put me totally off VOY.
@xxxmina3 жыл бұрын
@@M0butu Are you put off by the many video games Call of Duty, Battlefield, Wolfstien and the rest that did the same thing more recently than 1998? its a Videogame programmed by aliens who Nomadically Hunt for a living despite having advance enough technology to travel the stars... also I just realized the Hirogen are predator ripoff.
@kreiyu2 жыл бұрын
And we got to hear jerry ryan sing.
@troy24783 жыл бұрын
I never watched many deep space 9 episodes, but I liked almost every one of episodes listed from the other series.
@jadzeli82363 жыл бұрын
Your loss! Sorry to say that, but you missed so many good episodes. F.e.: Start with Blasphemy and work yourself through the circle and such. Hope you'll get hooked. And in my opinion, if you'd get there one day Far beyond the stars. Best episode ever.
@gooner91003 жыл бұрын
"These are the voyages" spoiled the entire series for me
@pedrovargas21813 жыл бұрын
Yes. I watched that one right after an encore of "Terra Prime", one of the best "Enterprise" had to offer. I deleted that travesty of a series closer right then and there within 5 minutes and went downstairs to cook.
@burkesongs3 жыл бұрын
Dream sequence! YES! Well... no, if the later novels are to be considered canon. I don't want to spoil anything, because the books are good and you should read them, but they explain the whole 'Trip dying like a punk" scene in that finale episode. There is apparently more going on in that episode than we actually see in the show itself, and explains why Trip doesn't seem scared of sacrificing himself to save Archer. The novels chronicling the Romulan War cover his fate and a lot more.
@NinjaFlibble2 жыл бұрын
I've heard that Star Trek books are, unfortunately, not considered canon (not officially, anyway 😉)
@ultramaximusreviews3 жыл бұрын
I don't know why everyone whines about These are the Voyages... I liked the episode - the only thing I wasn't a big fan of was the death of Trip but it was the last episode so. Being an Irish American I didn't see any racism in the Irish episode.. I have family that are EXACTLY like that LOL Code of Honor cracks me up... it's basically Wakanda in the cheesy 1980s.. people need to get off their high horses
@noireblack88653 жыл бұрын
As a german i dont find the ww2 stuff insulting at all... even more when you keep in mind these were kinda overacted "we are the bad guys" simulations...
@oddish43523 жыл бұрын
TATV would have been fine as a mid-season show. Indeed, it would have been exactly the valentine it was intended to be. It just sucked as a series finale.
@wisdomcb2 жыл бұрын
The What We Leave Behind documentary, closing it with Move Along Home as DS9's great moment made the best inside joke.
@weaselworm86813 жыл бұрын
I thought Terri Garr’s was the single most memorable side character in the series.
@amightysailingman3 жыл бұрын
Another reason she didn't like it was because she says she got typecast playing ditzy characters after that. I personally like the episode myself, and it's not just because of April Tatro as Isis.
@Indrid__Cold3 жыл бұрын
@@amightysailingman Terri Garr was a sixties wet dream in go-go boots and a mini skirt. "I'm Terri, fly me!"
@toocrowdedatthebottom12092 жыл бұрын
absolutely love that the new series arent even mentioned, not even in passing. They are truly written for children and teenagers and they have abandoned what star trek is
@berendharmsen3 жыл бұрын
The thing about the code of honour critique is that they basically did the exact same racist thing in the Black Panther movie and of some unfathomable reason that version of the 'noble black savages with technology' story is seen as somehow empowering for black people...
@samueltheprideofafrikarobi93193 жыл бұрын
SAVAGE as per the Oxford definition: (1) (of an animal or force of nature) fierce, violent, and uncontrolled...(2) (of something bad or negative) very great; severe...(3) a brutal or vicious person...(4) (especially of a dog or wild animal) attack ferociously and maul. Exactly who was a "savage" in Black Panther? The entirety of Wakanda was a technological paradise, everyone was well spoken, intelligent and as forward thinking as any aspect of American society. Not even Killmonger was savage by any definition. He was angry, driven, maybe even vicious in his methodology, but he was calculated and of sound mind in his decision making. Even when M'Baku and the rest of the Jabari made mock ape vocolizations at the Black Panther party and threatened to eat them when they came to him for help, he laughed it off as a joke showcasing that they were f*cking with them and stated very eloquently that they were vegetarians. So I can only imagine that you are referring to the way the people as a whole dressed formally and their shamanistic belief structure...which, unlike in Code of Honor, were all specific to the region of Africa their characters were from and all represented/mimicked either real life ancestral tribal garb or aspects of real life shamanistic belief structures. The difference between this thoughtful writing and TNG's racist direction is highlighted by the fact that not only did the writer of Code of Honor simply write what she thought Africans would be like in the future to HER MIND without thought or understanding of the culture, but she made the EXACT SAME BLIND "MISTAKE" when writing Emancipation with the Mongols. To say that the Wakandans in Black Panther were "noble savages" would be like saying that the Japanese are the same because they're Buddhist, ware traditional kimonos during formal occasions and still practice sumo and kyūdō.
@solucaoatende3 жыл бұрын
@@samueltheprideofafrikarobi9319; dispute the king's chair with a fight to death don't see much civilized to me. Need more?
@samueltheprideofafrikarobi93193 жыл бұрын
@@solucaoatende And the ancient Romans watched gladiators slaughter each other in coliseums for sport, watched people bloody and kill each other in stage plays for fun and they washed their clothes with urine. They also drank gladiator blood to cure diseases, washed their hair with goat fat and through unwanted babies in the trash. However I'm willing to bet a dollar-to-a-dime that neither you or anybody that you know have ever called them savages. So yes, I do need more than just throne-by-combat to call the only Black culture in the MCU (which was based off of amalgamation of real life African tribes) savage. Not to mention that trial by combat was a real practice partaken in by several romanticized anglo races; the Vikings coming to mind almost instantly.
@michaelmoore16972 жыл бұрын
Move along home was a classic. Seeing the cast do the hopscotch made me respect them even more.
@kjohnson93063 жыл бұрын
Met Avery Brooks once. Told him my favorite line of his didn't come from his time on Star Trek...but from a certain film he did. He laughed when I told him that his "House of Paris" speech from that movie was one of the most hilariously epic scenes I had seen. He then said that he pretty much improvised the speech and Lou Diamond Phillips mostly played along while trying not to laugh at the man going way over the top in the delivery. Even the extras on set were trying very hard to stay in character and not laugh at Avery's performance.
@JennCampbell3 жыл бұрын
some of these are on my favorites list. But NOT Enterprise's finale. That one always makes me glare.
@MusicGunn3 жыл бұрын
As far as I am concerned, any episode that had a Ferengi in it was regretful. That's just me and I am a dumb guy.
@menacelurkingyet83453 жыл бұрын
An occasional Ferengi was tolerable, but DS9 having them as cast members ?
@michaeljordan98793 жыл бұрын
Spock’s Brain is bad but bad in such a ridiculous way it’s funny.
@andrewspink33453 жыл бұрын
What is brain?
@michaeljordan98793 жыл бұрын
@@andrewspink3345 the relentless woman-bashing was balanced out with up immense ball-breaking. Nobody won in this war of the sexes.
@matthewbarry44643 жыл бұрын
Star Trek: TOS Turnabout Intruder. This one gives Spock's Brain a run for it's money.
@mattrodgers48783 жыл бұрын
The way to Eden is my all time least favorite episode. I can’t get to the remote fast enough when I see that one.
@patrickmccurry15633 жыл бұрын
@@mattrodgers4878 What, hippies are deranged, brain damaged, cultist, children doesn't float your boat? /S
@patrickmccurry15633 жыл бұрын
Bad for the basic plot contradicting canon about women being ship captains, and certainly with Shatner's sexist attempt at acting as a woman in a man's body.
@RictusHolloweye3 жыл бұрын
@@mattrodgers4878 - You don't reach, Herbert!
@mattrodgers48783 жыл бұрын
@@RictusHolloweye “I’m going to jump for joy, gotta clean bill of health from Dr. McCoy!” Ugh. I rest my case.
@dannyayala34623 жыл бұрын
By the way is that holographic Nazi is the same Nazi in Star Trek Enterprise when Archer gets trapped in the parallel past
@zom-be-gone39643 жыл бұрын
Honestly expected Voyagers Threshold to make it somewhere on this list who doesn't regret that episodes existence
@valmarkov60473 жыл бұрын
It’s just been on every possible “worst ST episodes” list. It’s nice to see at least one instance where it’s not mentioned.
@pauljackson34913 жыл бұрын
Even the producers say it's non-canon. A regular show that just happens to have the main cast and and crew
@BigJeremyBeyer3 жыл бұрын
And also Tuvix.
@beauxguidry53733 жыл бұрын
Maybe so, but there was a point to the episode. It was not just the Warp 10 barrier Threshold that was passed by Tom Paris. It was his maturity threshold that he crossed as well. He had somehow grew up. He was now ready for a post on the Enterprise as the Pilot and later as the First Officer under Chakotey. He was ready for a family. To offer help in the times that his girlfriend was having problems. Especially when she got scared that he would leave her and her past would repeat itself. When he offered to fight for her against a Vulcan. Or when he fought a Klingon for the honor of her and their child. I think you get the point.
@arthas6403 жыл бұрын
that was one of my least favorite episodes of Voyager.
@katakisLives3 жыл бұрын
Assignment Earth was dope! and Gene clearly had good taste! that bird had a nice pair of pins 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Scripture-Man3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately it seems she didn't know her place and wanted to argue with those in charge, which didn't go down well by the sound of it. Years later she's badmouthing Gene and complaining about men finding her attractive. Seems ungrateful, but who knows exactly what went on.
@WillCamx3 жыл бұрын
Expecting a female character in a 1960's TV show to wear a short skirt is hardly unreasonable. I don't think it was as short as Helen Noel's in Dagger of the Mind .
@katakisLives3 жыл бұрын
@@WillCamx damn right. The 60s was the golden age of the miniskirt
@barnesguides3 жыл бұрын
DS9: Defiant. The whole Tom Riker thing happens in the holosuite, a clear "screw you" to the audience.
@hypered01003 жыл бұрын
That's not what happens in that episode at all.
@beauxguidry53733 жыл бұрын
Which eposode was that? In the one I saw, Tom was/is the result of a doubled transporter beam that copied the first Riker, and his brother Thomas spent a long time stuck on the Planet.
@hypered01003 жыл бұрын
@@beauxguidry5373 Tom Riker appeared in two episodes: TNG's Second Chances where he is discovered and DS9's Defiant where he poses as his brother to steal the titular ship for the Maquis. The holodeck/holosuite played no role in either episode.
@barnesguides3 жыл бұрын
@@hypered0100 Oh really? Dr Bashir drags an exhausted Major Kira to Quark's, gives her a prescription of jamja root and a holosuite token... suddenly Tom Riker appears. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
@beauxguidry53733 жыл бұрын
@@hypered0100 thank you, I'll look into it.
@leondillon87232 жыл бұрын
In the pilot for ST:TNG and here O'Brien is a LieuTenant(O-3). Whatever he did to get busted down, about ten pay grades, is not said. It had to happen after being assigned to DS9. S 7 | Epi 6, "Treachery, Faith And The Great River"(2 Nov. 1998), Ensign Nog was "buttering up" O'Brien. An Ensign(O-1) with a day's time in grade would not do it with a Chief Petty Officer or a Chief Warrant Officer (CWO-2-5). They would "PULL RANK".
@charlesjmouse3 жыл бұрын
How about an "Episodes of Star Trek that the Fans Regret Filming"? I know, it would be a pretty long episode as it would include everything since 2009.
@bostonblackie95033 жыл бұрын
The final episode of Star Trek: Voyager. They did exactly the same as "The Next Generation" never ending any story lines but starting new ones, new relationships. Plus they made the youngest member of the crew look the oldest.
@therugburnz3 жыл бұрын
Teri Carr's skirt being shorter. I'm crushed she felt bad. 15yrs later she was smoking hotter and had learned more about acting.
@Scripture-Man3 жыл бұрын
No one can really say who is to blame, all we know is there was a clash of personalities, but I would suspect the problem was Miss Garr behaving impertinently and not doing as she was told. You may not agree with your director and producer's decisions, but they are in charge, it's their show, so you do things their way. Then again, maybe Gene and William were rude to her and made her feel uncomfortable, or even made a pass at her. It's pure speculation. I highly doubt that adjustments to her costume were the main cause of her annoyance. Many actors have to endure extremely difficult or uncomfortable working situations when shooting, especially those who play aliens and have to undergo gruelling prosthetics that take hours to put on and are incredibly unpleasant to spend all day in. In the scheme of things, skirt length changes are not a big deal, and no guest actress on the show ever wore anything too revealing.
@EricA-xd9fn3 жыл бұрын
@@Scripture-Man Sherry Jackson - "What Are Little Girls Made Of ?" might not agree. Susan Oliver - "The Cage" might not either...but that's what actresses were asked to do in the late 1960s, 70s, 80s, 90s. Doesn't make it right, of course.
@Scripture-Man3 жыл бұрын
@@EricA-xd9fn I'm sure those actresses were very happy to be regarded as beautiful and wear exciting costumes. They would know it was a glamorous role before they even auditioned, and they weren't forced to do it. If you go to any beach, you will find that most pretty young girls enjoy wearing skimpy clothing now and then. The idea that men are 'evil' for being attracted to women is based on fundamentally sexist attitudes promoted in the 20th century by bitter man-hating women who were mostly jealous of other women getting attention. The belief that we should hate men for enjoying women's bodies is an abhorrent view that has no place in the 21st century.
@EricA-xd9fn3 жыл бұрын
@@Scripture-Man I can't tell if your post is serious or sarcasm.
@EricA-xd9fn3 жыл бұрын
@@Scripture-Man So I assume it's your position that Africans from 1600-1800 were excited about a free boat-ride to America, too.
@foxfireinferno35473 жыл бұрын
I KNEW Profit and Lace would be on this list. I'm just surprised it's so low on the list.
@johnphilippatos3 жыл бұрын
"Threshold" from ST VOY, exists only in order to define the bottom line thus no other episode could be as bad.
@stevenswapp47682 жыл бұрын
That last part about Garrett Wang was hilarious
@yougosquishnow3 жыл бұрын
I'm also a huge sg1 fan and emancipation is probably my most hated episode of that entire series. Over 200 episodes and that one is straight up irredeemable trash especially given what came before it in children of the gods and enemy within. So yeah, I officially hate Catherine Paris as a writer now knowing she wrote that and code of honor. Trash.
@NinjaFlibble2 жыл бұрын
the only problem with comparing the storyline in Code of Honor with the similar one in Emancipation is that it makes sense in the framework of a primitive culture (like the one depicted in Emancipation). Not so much an advanced one (like in Code of Honor). You've got two different situations there, which makes it an unbalanced comparison. (I'm not saying Emancipation was a great episode, but it was at least one of the few that looked like it was trying to portray more than "generic slave human culture with Goa'uld undertones")
@Sebal0072 жыл бұрын
9:31 Nobody? Okay..... *YOUR SOUL IS MINE!*
@MrClobbertime3 жыл бұрын
I was disappointed with the introduction of the Ferengi too. I was all hyped about there finally being a new nemesis species and they gave us the Three Stooges.
@cha53 жыл бұрын
I remember a Patrick Stewart interview after that first Ferengi introduction episode in which he went out of his way to say that he was a Ferengi fan when there was quite a bit of fan backlash against them as being lousy bad guys in comparison to the Klingons and the Romulans and unworthy to be in STTNG and Trek in general.
@Widestone0013 жыл бұрын
These are the voyages is one of my favorites to be honest. I didn't see it as an hommage, but a way to link the timelines together. It was also very star trek like to place this in a holodeck and ryker to just have a good time in there for that's what I understand the holodeck to be there for, at least partially.
@ronp60093 жыл бұрын
Code of Honor is not that different than the depiction of Wakanda.
@pedrovargas21813 жыл бұрын
WAKANDA FOREVER 🙅🏿♂️
@Zola_63 жыл бұрын
Threshold ( Voyager ) was messy for sure 😅 surprised it’s not on this list 🙈
@Goshdarnet3 жыл бұрын
How on earth does this not contain Sub Rosa?
@doormysh3 жыл бұрын
Uh excuse you, Sub Rosa is brilliant fun. "I LIT THE CANDLE!"
@NebMunb Жыл бұрын
Every episode of every star trek series or movie, animated or live-action, is a douche-chill-inducing thought. These vivid memories are there when the actors close their eyes at night, and it is running through their ever fracturing minds. Only Leonard Nemoy, DeForest Kelly, James Doohan, Ricardo Montalbán, and other lesser featured characters, have found peace and comfort in the yoke of death.